 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, another God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Would you share this with me? No ma'am. Okay. Um, reports? Let's go that way. I don't have anything to add to my report. Okay. Unless you have any questions. Hi. Hello. Hello. I may need to add either. Just made a really good turn off the prior teacher conferences. Um, the Winter Olympics. I don't know if you've heard of that. Um, if you have kids in elementary school, you've heard about it. Um, but, uh, Coach Lawyer's done a great job putting that together. She coordinated with, like, our art teachers. They do, like, some cross-curricular related, um, and the kids are just loving it. I'm in second grade watching the Olympics. And here we go. There's Norway. And there's Netherlands. They can't do that. So, like, just, like, the countries and stuff that they picked up. But there are a lot of fun with that. They're doing the elementary schools. And I would, our results were in after I submitted my report. I think we had a little over 60% response for parent-teacher conferences, which is excellent. Do you think are most of those, um, Zoom or in person? Um, they're not in person. In person? Because it's, it's pretty quiet around there on those nights. That it's the variety of contact and the repetitiveness of us reaching out and trying to get them to either say, no, I don't want a conference, which to me is making contact. Um, so that variety, we have never even approached 50% in the past. Like, we would be lucky if we got 30. Ken, can I ask you a question? On your board report every single month, I've gone back and looked at several, like, last six months. You have ATS on there every month as being continued to work with. Um, and then I've been in the gym a lot lately. Mainly, we've started playing old manball on Wednesday nights. But our facilities are wrecked. Are we fully staffed in that area? Um, well, I, that would be a better question for ATS right now. At the high school, we have as many as we have ever had. Um, but it, it has been a struggle. I'll just say in general, there's been a variety of concerns. Some of those you all have been aware of, that we've had to go through with different employees. And then those employees either leave on their own volition or, or otherwise leave. It's, it has been a struggle. And I, you know, I have that in my first section that I like to talk about maintenance and facilities first thing. And I do try to be positive as we're approaching, I believe year three with ATS. And I can't speak for other buildings, but the high school, it has been a struggle. Are you, what do you see in this cap part of your facilities? I have complaints of both my buildings. Um, I feel like it's been turned over though, from when I'm my understanding is there's been staff turned over. So just the training and getting everyone kind of activated to the buildings. And then the expectations I guess across the buildings probably could be strengthened. I would say as a board member at the last basketball game, I was extremely embarrassed to have our facilities portrayed in a manner that they were. And I tried to not bring these types of issues up during board meetings. So I apologize if I'm stepping on anybody's toes, but it's got to change. Um, maybe I'm the only board member that feels this way, but I walked in the bathroom and there was trash laying on the floor because the trash hadn't been taken out. There was, uh, fee seats all over the seats. Um, it was absolutely disgusting and the most embarrassing thing that I think I've walked into at Wobbansie for some time. Um, I guess I would go for maybe ATS a little bit more accountable for what's going on. Well, every time we've contacted them and I contacted just today, the president of the company that sold it to us as well as the regional manager every time, sent pictures, our own person that's here, Jeremy, that's been here from the beginning, that's now the manager. It's unfortunately higher than it was. Exactly. And then what happens is the constant turnover and Jan and her staff then end up having to retrain all the time. It's like, you've got a set of checklists. Why can you not follow the checklist? Yeah. It should be easy. Some of it's retraining and some of it's not. No, it's like that. And there are plenty, like it, it isn't not to sound defensive, but it's not for lack of trying on my part to, to do whatever I can. I've been in there, we, we have been in there cleaning ourselves. I mean, it has stopped really at nothing behind the scenes. We, I just, and I think Brad share, I don't know why I can say it's like beating your head against the wall. It is so frustrating. What negative impact has ATS had from Wimonsi other than the email contact and the phone contact? I mean, has there, has there been a negative, are we paying our bill? Yes. Okay. So we, we, no, I take that back. We have paid partial of our bill. We cut because they didn't have a position filled. So they cut down what the initial amount was. And so, But they're still paying per, Right. Right. Right. So they're still getting paid for the expenses that they have here. I guess, but, but we're not getting any results. In fact, I would say we're getting worse results than what we did when we decided to go with ATS. I mean, I guess if I'm on the one side of the checks, I probably start holding checks until we start getting results. And if they quit, then they quit, but we've got to figure something else out because we're trying to get a long pass. And I've got people in my ear saying, Wow, did you go in the bathroom and see that bathroom? Holy smokes. Have you seen the gym on a Saturday morning after a basketball game? Those types of communications. And it's unfortunate. You know, nobody ever goes into an elementary school except for parent-teacher conferences and they don't look in the corners and they don't probably hit the restrooms. But they see our football field. They see our gyms. They see our, those types of places way more often. And if I was ATS, I'd at least have those clean. And that's the, anyway. I've seen it. I went back and pulled up every board before you said the last six months and they were there. So I figured they're probably on there for past that. And I thought I'd bring it up. But yes, Willie will look to hold checks. Because the other thing that we talked about is we need to have, just give us somebody assigned to activities. That's it. That's all they do. Then that way they don't have to get pulled off of what they're supposed to be doing another time, whatever, just get us somebody. So that may be mean to us. Can we hire somebody in the community to do it? Can we hire, you know, I mean there's things in classrooms that are still some issues. But the main thing are activities. That's the main thing. So let's go look to see if we find an activity person. And the money that we initially saved between ATS and what we were doing utilized that money to pay them. Or a club. But the thing when you start getting into high school stuff, kids don't show up. They don't do what they're supposed to do. We've tried some of that. It doesn't work. But it is more than just, you're right, that the facilities, the athletic facilities is what you hear about. But this exists across campus and other buildings. I mean it's repetitive, you know, where places don't ever get hit. I mean it isn't, people don't see that. But if you ask any staff member, just pick one. And they'll tell you. It's not just the restrooms in the athletic facilities. It's the restrooms throughout the school, for example. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Josh? I don't have anything further to add. Approval of the January 10th board meeting on the special board meetings for January 26th, January 31 this year. Motion to approve? Can we just do an old consultation? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to accept the consent of June 1. Do you have any discussion on any of those items? Second. Do you have a favor? Is that? I agree. We'll post something. The rural housing and city district, City of Alma came to me, Mayor, and talked to me some about it, and said that this was a possibility of looking at. And then Jim McGregor is the Rapunze County Economic Development Director. Correct? And so, he has, I asked him to come and go over all the things in regards to this and what it means to the district or possibly, and we go from there. So, you've got a handout of information. And Jim, if you would go ahead. Well, first of all, I appreciate the opportunity and for those of you who have met, I appreciate the opportunity to talk a little bit about it. So, rural housing and city district, as Brad just mentioned, is designed to incentivize the construction of housing. And it can do that either on empty lots or with a change last year in upper story buildings on Main Street in the city of Kansas. And it incentivizes that development by basically capturing the increase in property tax values that come from improvements and directing most of that increase to a developer to help pay for his cost to put in infrastructure. And it's important to note that this is not to help him build houses, it's to help him put in infrastructure water, sewer, natural gas, fiber, and those things that then allow for the construction of homes to follow. Really simply put, if you have a vacant lot right now and the tax assessment is $100 a year for that lot and you create an RHID and you do the infrastructure improvements and then you build a house and that tax assessment goes to $1,000, the first $100 continues to go to all the taxing authorities just like it always has. The next 900, the bulk of that goes to the developer to help reimburse his costs. Now, part of that $900 goes to the state and part of it goes to the school district but the bulk of that $900 goes to the developer and it can go to him for as long as it takes to reimburse him for his expenses or 25 years whichever comes first. And so that's kind of the macro on how it works. Now for the property owners in the district and the property owners around the county it's an entirely transparent process. It's not going to impact anybody's taxes. It's not going to change the way they're notified of taxes. It's not going to change how their taxes are assessed and it's not going to change how they pay taxes. All the changes happen in the courthouse when the treasurer disperses those collections. Now, taxes can go up because the military changes and they can go up because evaluations change but they won't change simply because the RHID is put into place and so again for the taxpayer it's a pretty transparent. The advantage to a potential homeowner is that most of us are familiar with the idea of specials and this does away with that. Basically the homeowner doesn't have to pay that so then it makes the home a little bit more affordable. So that's the macro of how they work. Now the specifics of Alma on the sheet that I gave you on the second back of the first page, the second page there it talks a little bit about Alma's specific case. So Alma is going to hold a hearing on the 22nd of February to review the establishment of an RHID over 16 lots in the Park Valley neighborhood here in the city of Alma. Because of the impact that the creation of an RHID would have on the other taxing authorities both the school district and the county have an opportunity if they choose to nullify that action. So if they meet the 22nd and pass the resolution to establish an RHID the school board and the county commissioners would have up to 30 days to nullify that action. What the statute says is that you can nullify if you believe there's adverse effects to the school district. It doesn't define what adverse is it doesn't establish a standard for adverse it's kind of left up to the judgment of either the school board or the county commissioners. The specific project that they're talking about right now is approximately $800,000 of improvements and then because the builder will finance this up front to pay for it he's also eligible to claim this to be the cost of the course of that road. So the total cost is projected to be about $1.1 million which according to models that we have that the state provides that the developer uses and that the county has tweaked for its purposes we all get about the same place it's going to take about 23 to 24 years for the incremental increase in property taxes to pay that full $1.1 million to the developer. If you look at the table there in the middle of the page the tax authorities are listed the current bill that he has listed and then there's three columns. The first column is the amount of taxes that would be collected on those 16 lots over the course of 25 years if nothing is built if nothing is improved on those lots. The second number is if you develop those lots put the improvements, put the houses on them but there's no RHID and you can see what each taxing authority could might collect over the course of 25 years and then the far right column shows you what each of the taxing authorities will collect through 25 years if there's an RHID established and you can see at the bottom of that column the number that the developer would receive it's important to note these are 2022 numbers they don't correct for the devaluation of money over time the developer is going to do all of these improvements if this was approved he's going to do these in the next couple of years he's going to be paid for the course of 24 or 25 years depending on property valuations so that's kind of the specifics of how it looks right now and now I'm appending their decision to actually create an RHID employer this month The third page then kind of gets at the question of is this right for Wobunsi County is this right for the school board you know is this right for the city and I don't know and it really comes down to you know a philosophical question to at some point the first question of how much incentivization is right to promote development in our community and you have to ask yourselves the question of you know is this development going to happen without any incentivization or what kind of incentivization would it require and then of course because particularly in the county's case we're going to see 16 new homes with 16 new families so 32 to 42 new residents are there incremental costs associated with homes that somehow isn't being replaced you know isn't being serviced by a tax revenue that hasn't been collected Generally speaking I think we would all agree that affordable housing is a good thing you know provides upward mobility provides housing mobility for our current residents that tracks new residents I haven't spoken to very many teachers in 329 but I have spoken to teachers in other parts of the county that would love to live closer to where they were so that's an advantage we have to ask ourselves about what kind of incentivization is right and what kind of growth the county is looking for so that's kind of what an RHID is again the public hearing I'll make this decision I think in the 20 seconds and then there's a discussion for you to have if you choose to nullify I believe it's a resolution of some type if the board is supportive of the effort and there's no actual requirement in your path it will just come into being these in the mountains are based on based on the premise that all of those households will be sold that's correct and it's important to note that the developer here is incentivized once the RHID exists if the property values don't increase then he doesn't get anything and so once he starts putting in those improvements he either builds 16 houses or he loses and if he doesn't recover all of his 1.1 million in 25 years he also loses so he's assuming some risk to take the project because it doesn't pay for anything other than the water sewer, electrical, hookups curbs, roads, whatever that may be some limited site breath and if just we've gotten back our most recent census an average family size in 329 is 3.1 percent married couple families with children under 18 is 21 percent so let's say we have those 16 homes we get 14 to 17 kids at $8,000 a piece that would be then added on to that $221,000 as a possible it wouldn't equal that necessarily but it's something to think about to help with to offset that and then the question as Jim has made mentioned do we think they're going to be developed or not if they're just sitting there we get $6,000 so is there a developer that's already given the 1.16 as a bid to do all that? 16 knots are owned by one developer a person of to be correct? is this a personal project of yours or how do you fit in on this other than well again because the county commissioners have a decision and they ask me to take a look at what the statute says and to pull some thoughts together about how it works and to give them some things to think about so we talked with them about it a couple weeks ago and then I'm sure they'll talk about it more if that one goes forward not even once a county it is happening in other parts of the state Pottawatka County has a couple of them Dodge City has used it to build over 300 homes in the last 10 to 15 years but it's not happening here yet possibly generally I mean you know again it depends on the county community's attitude towards growth generally but generally speaking this is a way to help homeowners get homes at a more affordable cost and to attract some growth phone numbers on the bottom of that and of course Brad has my phone under an email if you have any other questions you'd be happy to try and help and I know that the city can obviously talk about it because it's their project so thank you very much appreciate it thank you Jim have a good evening the most recent is the information it's been updated again at approximately 425 students and 77 staff we've had 2102 test administered we have one student with positive zero staff at this time 26% of our students that we know about that have either been tested by us or have been told that they're positive have been positive throughout the year 35% of staff one thing that's coming up is KDHE had the 30 day suspension the 30 days is coming up next week I believe or at the end of this week I anticipate that a lot of school districts basically can't put the genie back in the bottle and so continue just to go with no contact tracing in counties as well several board members put their responses together and that's included in your information in your packet but specifically I guess we was asked to put it back on there as specifics of goals or come to a consensus of what to move forward or not move forward or what the process is I think it's noted a few times that we need to come to a consensus it's kind of hard to have the discussion I think with two members not present though you kind of wanted this one can we go back to like the general like goal setting like I'm interested in people's ideas of what they want to see in terms of what the end result because I think we maybe have differences of opinion in terms of what's most important what's somewhat important versus what's not very important I think it's good to maybe prevent those and see if some areas I guess in my mind there's a few things I can go first so and not necessarily in this order but definitely I would say of all the high importance for me is getting out of the modulars I don't think that's a I think the modulars setting just isn't ideal for reasons security safety and health the mold that we've had I don't see that going away I just don't see it as a great learning environment I don't think it attracts families so that's one big one for me another big goal I guess would be bringing our kids together at the earliest stages I think having two separate elementary schools that are worse create some dissonance within our district I think it keeps our educational aspects in terms of it just feels like there are competing goals that are happening in our elementary schools I would like to see more unification where our kids are kind of all in the same space at the youngest levels where teachers can collaborate so that's another thing of bringing kids all together into if not one location, multiple locations where they're at least attending the same school at the same grade level and such I think that helps on this for the kids progress obviously financially it's going to benefit us if we have a bond accomplished so much in terms of savings I think that's kind of a redundant answer at this point and then I guess just on a conclusionary statement I would say I think just based upon my conversations with individuals in the district that's in response in one of the responses but I think it would be optimal to have one location for all of our schools to be all located at one place in terms of especially transportation I think that would cut down a little bit on the cost I think there are other benefits like having high school students working with younger students but but as the political atmosphere already exists I don't see that one location being located in a town as they currently are so that's kind of my reasoning behind the concept of having and utilizing our largest two facilities because I think that is what our community members that's what most individuals have been interested in others' opinions on the goal go back and restate everything that you said I agree 100% I believe you are spot on with exactly what our district needs take politics out of it politics is removed I believe if I heard you correctly you stated that one location would be best politics removed politics is the only thing trying to move us out of a town right now correct I believe that's what I heard you say politics removed you would have a location a K-12 within a town I don't know if within a town is the answer honestly there were a lot of people that I talked with that wanted to see it not located in a town one location money taken out of it I think most people were behind that I do I think there's just for better or worse I don't want to create a caring of the district by putting forth something that I believe that would result in do you believe that the previous bond that we put on will cause a tearing issue within the communities I don't think it created a tearing I think it created within some individuals mind some confusion and some individuals didn't like some things but I wouldn't say it created a tearing I wouldn't say people were upset with the district that they felt like they weren't included in the process or included in terms of the solution but I think there are solutions that would create that so you didn't get any negative feedback from Maple Hill patrons based on the fact that the last previous bond would shut down Maple Hill Elementary School most Maple Hill patrons I spoke with have recognized that their enrollments have gone see that they get laid out and they recognize that there is a tool to keep that school in operation for purposes of the operational aspect for our budget so did you get any in your Patreon commentary did you get any negative feedback from citizens from the Alma area on shipping their kids to Paxville for elementary school yeah there are definitely parents who weren't real thrilled but in fact that sell a genuine percentage but it wasn't consistent I guess I'll say that there were individuals that said well if it means that our district can thrive and survive as a district as the solution I had people tell me like who was west of where I was west of where I live with those same sentiments people in Alma it's you talk to some who are very opposed as teachers or as parents to put their kids on a bus and go to Paxville I didn't have those same feelings from Maple Hill which I thought was interesting they were they were willing to do that largely in part because from the age of was 5th grade now 6th grade on up there's something that fits on top of that so I think there's a luxury that Alma has had for a long time that is hard for residents to like go on as in a majority of the school has been located here yeah other than junior other than junior other than junior middle school school in 4 grades thanks few questions I have I mean I agree with your goals as well security safety getting rid of the modulars bringing our kids together early not just for the kids but also for the elementary staff I feel like that's a big and it didn't pass I think that there are reasons not because it wasn't a good option I think it was a good option I still think it's a good option I think both options I think both having something here in Alma it is one one center is a good option I think having the two financially sustainable having the two campuses I think that there were some additional costs but not not huge I mean in the grand scheme of things not so far out of the way that it would make it not an option I echo Jim in that I feel like if we do a bond here in Alma with everything here I think that we are going to see a lot of opposition to that I think it could have the potential to really further break our district apart and we already have some of that just having the three different four different towns I continue to wrestle with which one of these that's a good one I've got to follow up questions for you so if we are wrestling if I understand this process correctly and believe I do because I went through the last one we are not the final city so we are coming up with ideas to present to the patrons and then the patrons decide whether or not it's what should rightfully fit our district so if we went the other way last time and it was split 4-3 what's wrong with a 4-3 split this time for a K-12 in Alma what if are we afraid that are we afraid that the patrons will pass that so if the majority of our patrons vote to do that then how is that tearing our district apart if the majority of our district says this is the route I want you to go then I believe then that's the majority gets to say that's okay we are not the decision makers if they voted down and say that is not where we want to go okay what are we out we've already figured out how to fix our budget the last 2 years since the budget has been whacked and we figured it out can we not figure it out for another year for another 2 years if they say no if they say yes then the patrons have spoken and we have our skis on straight and we can go I guess that's my approach to a K-12 in Alma we have 3 board members that are passionate about giving that a shot last time we had 4 board members that were passionate about giving the other one a shot the majority is it may go against what I want to do but I'm not the decision maker so that was my follow-up question what's your thoughts I mean I think my big concern is I represent a constituent constituency I've been along with it in Paxaco we both do and I think I want to still support something in Paxaco I think that that is important so I mean yes, as has been stated multiple times we are elected to represent and make the best decisions that we can for the district and people have trusted us to do that but we also are elected to represent those people in our areas and talking with the people in my area is that they wanted the 2 option and I know that if people want to say Paxaco didn't pass it there are reasons that it didn't pass not necessarily because they didn't want the 2 campus option so I wonder why there were other previous bonds that Paxaco didn't pass I wonder why it is on the previous all bonds they have a pass for I am one of the board members that ran for the town of Almond and I went against my constituency for the last time I am still alive I still live here and unfortunately for me it was good for my insurance my house hasn't burned down people do survive by making decisions they did put us in this spot but they are not here micromanaging our every decision we know the budget we know that the cost savings from a K-12 in Almond versus a split district is enough to put another teacher in our classrooms on an angle basis we are here to provide the best learning environment for our kids bar none no matter who our kids and you are going to tell me that it is okay to split the district and take one less teacher opportunity out of those kids' hands because we don't want to upset our neighbors I find that extremely hard to swallow that we are willing to sacrifice kids learning environment because we don't want to upset and we haven't even made a decision for the decision makers the decision makers are the people that bubble we took one too well the last time we got told no go back to the drawing board yet we want to turn around we want to slash the price to make it look more appealing and take the teacher out of classrooms that's where I am having trouble our base pay is 39 yeah close the savings is over there it is an opportunity to let the patrons tell us you guys are off your rocker the four board members that voted for that should not rerun and it might have been as I did very nice to see you I was supposed to say you agree with any of these goals we've discussed the goals since I've been on the board it's done nothing more you know what I think I'm ready to waste your time it's not respecting what you or you I I'm just wasting a lot I don't like to waste the time with others I don't have anything to add that you don't already know both know that I don't disagree with your goals at all I think there's more I also think that we took a bond that was brought to us to a committee and we doubled I personally think if we go with what was brought to us we made the decision as board that we the bond would have passed no problem so I fully think that it was mine and they did tell us 25 million you're off your rocker period we're not passing anything we're no matter where it was for 25 million period half that will think about it and that's just a fact I carried down buildings that are good buildings I did not hear a lot of two location businesses in the sense I didn't hear all of that I heard some individuals that preferred to all be at home but those are the only individuals that I heard pass from that they wanted to hold on I didn't hear it should all be in that home from any individual I spoke with in Paxaco or Maple Hill I spoke probably so that tells me something I mean obviously us coming to a consensus it's hard so if we can't come to a consensus or if somebody that brings forward an option and it doesn't pass the the board vote is safety security collaboration of staff unified elementary financial efficiency is that something that we can do without a bond? I think we started on some of that I mean the e-soft deal that we put in we're trying as far as hiring companies like ATS that example they're not doing their job right now but when they do do their job it'll be a good move they save money I think we're doing things anytime I believe that somebody's budget is strapped it always allows you to look at the philosophy years and am I making the right decisions here we've done that pretty well over the past five years I've really really looked at things I believe that those individuals that tell you that they won't pass a $25 million bond are the individuals that they're not coming out and saying you need a K-12 on Alma but that's what they're telling them they don't even know that's what they're saying but they're like we're not going to write you a check to provide the type of improvements within your district to have a split town district we're going to provide you with just enough to make the right choices in a K-12 on Alma because you've already got the facilities established and we're not going to tear anything down they just don't realize that that's what it costs to make this work long term so that 20 years from now let me back up 15 years from now on a 20 year bond what happened to us this time we made it 15 years into a 20 year bond before our budget was thrown out before we were negative it really wasn't even that long back me up five years before that it was actually 10 years it was in 2008 2013 2013 when our budget went negative and we started pulling on the two district cash reserves to make our budget flush for the next seven years so that was actually only 13 years into a bond 14 years into a bond before our budget on maintaining what the patrons told us they wanted the last time before we ran out of money and I believe that by splitting the district again and doing a tax fill Alma situation is going to put us there again 15 years into a bond is going to put us there again 15 years into a 25 year bond that's what we're asking for now 25 not we ever put anything out there I'm not going to anybody to think where we have I'm saying the numbers we've looked at a 25 year bond instead of a 20 year bond we make it 15 years before our budget is negative again and now they're going to ask us to operate on nothing for the following 10 years until that 25 year bond is paid for so I believe those people saying we won't give you 20 25 million and are the people that are forcing us into a K-12 in Alma because the amount of money they are willing to pass only gets us efficiency efficiency long term by doing that and again I supported a split district again I support across their district I have kids in Alma, Paxicole and Maple Hill it is not that I want to shut anything down in Paxicole or Maple Hill I'm simply saying it's much money and I know if this much money I can make our operational efficiencies work for the lifetime of the bond pass that then it's going to be somebody else's job to figure out where USD-329 is going 25 years from now it won't be me but that's the decision that our patrons are getting right now I believe, yeah I'll pass 15 million okay I'll use your 15 million but I have to do it in Alma well I want you to do that I want you to spend 7 or 8 Pax don't say it right now but that's what's fair that's what will keep our district together okay so 10 years down the road where am I going to get I can't max out my LOB I'm done it's already maxed where do I get the operational money to go back in our schools for the final 10 years till we can get to the next bond and then they say holy smokes I was thinking this would be the last bond that those same people are telling me I would hope you don't come back to me with another bond if we split our district we will be telling back to you with another bond 25 years from now if we make it that long it will come back either way it's possible I don't know I think it depends on our enrollments if enrollments if enrollments see a significant decline and we operate out of two locations and we end up being a mid-sized 1A school we're probably going to be over operating we'll probably have to go through the same process again we'll be over operating with flat enrollment if we that's the point that I wanted to make sorry what was that say again we'll be over operating with flat enrollment not even declining enrollment because we just did I understand that I understand that concept I guess the way that I look at it is if that is the case if we were to be over operating out of two locations we would be in the same boat as 86% of the school districts that are 2A in the state of Kansas operating a 2A school so if that were to happen I think it would be a statewide or I hope there would be a statewide initiative to fund education to somehow address the issue I don't think we would be alone in that situation now if we saw decreasing enrollments and we fell to 1A I can see over operating out of two locations probably too much for a big to small 1A school but I think a financial discussion is separate in that when you look at the finances and you look at the necessary buildings and everything needed there's not a whole lot of difference between two locations in one location if you lose a little bit on it it's the cost of a teacher a little difference in perspective in saying it's the cost of one teacher for the next 25 years every year, year in, year out it's possible our starting pay is $39,000 we're already off of these facts Jim so we can't argue facts right you're a factual guy $39,500 our starting payroll it saves over 40 what I was getting at it's possible in that if you don't acquire additional students that offset that cost and actually have you operating in a surplus that's the other side of it there's offsets to costs and that could be one there's other potential options where you could offset costs where you could still get that teacher ultimately I don't see it as something that at least in my opinion in the community you see that it's substantial meaning it doesn't significantly save us a bunch of money to one location versus having two locations have you asked many people around how they like our COVID coordinator do you like our COVID coordinator position I think she's handling it well what about our SRO I think because you're in a couple years that $40,000 will pay to keep them on board otherwise that gets cut I mean we're already in a spending freeze so those are situations that aren't must-haves they are nice for a school district our size so the amount of money you're asking to give up to split district and that's just in today's numbers with declining enrollment why not set yourself up maybe we settle as a class 1A school maybe that's where the efficiencies all work really nice it's not a bad spot to be I guess I I don't like for a school district let alone the one that I'm telling my kids to I don't like to take content player conjecture that the enrollment is going to go down I would rather some enrollments go up just personally but the purpose behind doing goal setting behind talking about these things is we may not come to an agreement on what's best and if it is a 4-3 vote well for one in the community it doesn't look great there's obviously dissent there that individuals in the community want to know why and understand which is understandable but it also isn't a good thing if individuals on the board are not for it and may decide to talk against it in the discussion with community members so I don't think it's a forward progress if you have a 4-3 so with that in mind and talking about goals I am interested in talking about what solutions we can come up with that at least in the near term can help us with the issues that we're going to be facing while still trying to align with those goals so bringing kids together eliminating modules I think in anyone's mind is it a potential that we still utilize say three schools but bring our kids together at an early age in terms of bringing all kindergarteners all first graders out of the space I guess two things in our current board member said it will be a 4-2 which looks a little better 4-3 because we have one that doesn't show up but anyway to your solution to your thought right there can you lay out what that landscape looks like for me so I understand what you're talking about so in terms of our space we have a lot of space potentially in the high school that we don't utilize fully I think if you bring something to Alma and utilize some of that space in addition to the annex and then utilizing the I believe the next largest is the junior high is that correct as far as the next largest location the perfect building size the junior high and utilizing Alma elementary school utilizing the existing facilities that you have at those locations that can hold the most kids what are your thoughts about leaving the junior high where it's at and bringing the elementary school down where it's at leaving the sixth, seventh and eighth graders in Paxico and do a put your all of your elementary students in Alma elementary I guess I don't know what space constraints we would have that's why I'm first about Alma if we could if you could potentially move say fifth grade to Paxico that would give you one less class in Alma here I know some of our or at least one of our elementary school classes right now operates with two in one class in Maple Hill but I guess I'm just I'm just trying to think outside the box in terms of what are things we can try to do to bring up a great point what we do if we don't pass it on this type of discussion is what happens if we don't pass it on we're going to have to start moving kids around because we've got to get rid of facilities those are conversations I think that are important to have with if we can't come to a conclusion but back to your goals any you've gone all the way around the room and nobody's disagreed with your goals we just disagree with how to get to those goals so that's the only thing we're in disagreement about and so I don't think we need to focus on the goals anymore I appreciate you bringing them up because it's nice to have a refresher but all of us agree with your goals the main area is how to get there we're trying to skin the cab we're all trying to skin it a little different way so for what it's worth I appreciate it like I said I think looking at the goals if we can still accomplish something even if it's not a bond in the next year you know we I don't I guess this is the question we want to grab like where are we next year if you project similar enrollments next year how are we on our budget well the other thing that's saving us is if we continue with it just 30,000 foot view we stay where we're at in normal lives the increase in base aid for people will help then make the difference number two is the federal money from the ESSER because what we have included in there is a 3% salary increase for retention so that would give the increases in salaries but at the end of 2024 when that money's gone then you're going to have to see something's got to change because that's what's floating us and as long as the state continues with what the Supreme Court decision was we're going to see those increases in base aid for people and well like you said we're going to stay pretty level in enrollment and the goodness I will say another thing that's added to that is we've been able to generate funds through the preschool program that also has generated students and so that has helped us to pay for those positions and help them through those grants and title monies be able to move forward with those things but like you said base aid for people increase and enrollment and then the federal funds and how much and I don't remember you remember about how much we could potentially be saving if we were to say close to Nickelodeon I don't want to speculate I'm sorry I don't remember exactly Yeah I mean specifically if you just take the score footage times a bucket of four score foot and that's just what we've used building wide from the beginning of this for insurance and for utilities that's what it averages across the district so and that's nothing to do with transportation because you can flip it one way and the other and say well they still got to come or you stay there and go vice versa and then there's nothing with personnel and so that's where you would also in a big area get a decrease in personnel where you can make up the most money because you're still going to need an elementary principal you're still going to need administration in those locations library media tech those type of things and on that one form we kind of put having two well it's 1.5 so you lose maybe 0.5 maybe one custodial however you want to look at that so some savings yes from personnel standpoint cooks for instance you know cook and then custodial and library media tech and the possibility of secretary so you'd say basically four positions and let's say rough numbers 15 to 20 thousand for each of those on top of then the bucketed force workbook is this item need to be put back on I'm not talking about it anymore anybody else if we don't talk about it guys we're going to come down the road two years from now we can have fun with that maybe that'll help us get to a decision how much time do we just spend on that 30 minutes who here feels like there's progress honestly raise your hand are you 49 and a half percent ready to vote for a K-12 album that's that's the time either you got to ask me and Jerome if we're willing to vote for a split district or we have to ask you what's it take to get you willing to vote for a real split district that's where we're going to see where the rubber meets the road and that's what he's talking about just think this thing for a minute all the students went to school just right here and I think it's pretty positive to most people in the district and if they said no what would you say what if we put a K-12 album oh well we're going to talk about it at least more time talking about it I just think we're busy trying to solve the patrons problems when we're not the patrons no different than what we did last time we put a vote out there and it didn't pass and here we are again but we're out there if it doesn't pass but if you're afraid of it passing and you're voting no because you're afraid that it'll pass then that's a conversation we probably ought to start having I'm not afraid of it not passing I know it won't pass so put it out there then I know it wouldn't pass then let's put it out there I will vote the next time it comes around that you all vote for whatever you want me to vote for if it does not pass I will agree with you and I'll say okay Jim what's your plan let's give that one a shot remember you voted no to the last one too by the way I don't want to put something for it that I don't see if it passes though what will you have to say the majority of our patrons vote yes for it what does that mean the catastrophic has happened with our district oh so now you're going to tell the rest of the patrons the majority of our district you're going to tell them that they were wrong and that hey you guys just poured part of the district that is not what I meant I'm sorry but that's the only thing we're going to do to get this we can talk about goals we're all on the same page but we are split on how to get there so until one of you views it's not going to go anywhere we're going to put it on here next time of month we're going to talk 30 to 45 minutes about where we're at and the month after that 30 to 45 minutes and I appreciate that I'll talk about it until I'm blue to face I'm the one that does most of the talking thank you Kerry middle school so you can read what what she said and one thing that lead towards the side of if you have a buyer sell it but if you think you're gaining consensus on your opinion and may have a plan within the year it may be beneficial or would be beneficial to have the building in play until you know what you're going to do for the plan for improvement so I don't know again back to you reaching some consensus in here and have something happen otherwise the possibility or having it sold and there is continued interest from a potential buyer for the property and we can discuss that in the executive session I think we'll probably need 30 minutes with the guest and if possible can we invite in Principal Huttley and Oliver and if Bady Weisar comes that they could come in when they're all here I don't know he was planning on did you say he's planning on it yeah I think Jan was going to notify okay I'm sure he's probably second place you were I moved you on to the executive session to discuss companies related to financial affairs or trade secrets or corporations or businesses or partnerships for a period of 30 minutes to include sorry he was so helpful gracious as wife change of substitute pay teal proof substitutes are those that just came out from the state, those temporary those that are 18 and above and fingerprint and the like and if we do get those I think that they should not be paid the same as those that have got 60 hours for a business or any other type of licensure so asking that we move to change your instead of 110 to 100 dollars all in favor all right can you oppose it was discussed earlier about I'm sorry about the redistricting or changing the voting plan Abbey, Amy from the county has provided the information to pass on to you all just the discussion if you need to be your note why have we been why have we been discussing it all because it brought to mind that somebody had to be a member by what a community member it hasn't changed forever this is ridiculous and we are out of compliance technically yeah the 5% I mean the county attorney according to Abbey is the one that has to but is that something you would have to do or is there something higher in terms of the redistricting part I haven't been involved with it I mean they have to have a census and then they have to start looking at how that would change and we did a little bit of that when I was at Riley county and I can't remember the exact because it was the first time early in my career what we did and I don't remember but I think the county was directly involved in doing it I would assume that it could bring to us if it does then we'll have to deal with it I don't argue any of that compliance issues I mean the laws of laws of law I can't argue that I'm just saying it only becomes an issue when you can't find people who run for an ordinary elected position or it becomes an issue if it's a problem yeah I'm not sure we're all capable of that next one thanks Tony you talked about the possibility of changing then the board meeting is the Monday of spring break and you can either move it to the 7th or 21st or leave it alone whichever you choose I'm going to go for the 7th I'm going to go for the 7th I'm going to go for the 7th with 5 members it makes it a short turnaround but I'm 7th would there be any sub-state basketball on the 7th no would there be any state basketball on the 7th no but there's a I've got a couple things but there's also junior high basketball I was sitting here with junior high basketball hey what's going on I'm just telling what's on the count If you've got a high school senior and they're playing state basketball, I can see that being a little different deal. I move for the 7th. I move to approve the employment. I move for the 7th. I move for the 7th. I move for the 7th. I move for the 7th.