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Okay. Okay, let's go ahead and start the show. Ready? Your mark, it's at go. Ready? Mark, it's at go. Ready? Mark, it's at go. This is Danis Effie Burke. Welcome to Divine Intimacy Radio, your radio haven of rest. Your hermitage of the heart. Your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven to draw on the wisdom of the saints and the mystical tradition of the church in order to face and overcome the tumult and difficulties of this life, to draw near to God, to come to union with him, to live in joy and peace in the midst of the storm. You know, that's normal. That's supposed to be normal. Did you know that? The storm? Joy and peace. Oh, yes. You know, it's such a beauty. Yes, joy and peace amongst the storm. In the midst of the storm. In the midst of the storm. It's supposed to be normal. And if you're not experiencing joy and peace, then you're missing something. Because Jesus said, my peace I give you, my peace I leave you, not as the world gives, do I give to you? Do not let your heart be troubled. Do not let it be afraid. Therein we have a promise and a command. It is a command. Right. Promise and a command. Do not let your heart be troubled. Right. That means we can do something about that. By the power of God we can. Right. He's given us the capacity. Right. Right. What a grace. Right. We should do a whole show on that. I think we have. We've done like 750, right? I don't know. Anyway, today we're answering questions on prayer, on mental prayer. And it's been a big theme recently. Yeah. We had eight or 11,000 people join us for our challenge for 40 days of mental prayer, which is really awesome. So they all got a beautiful guide to daily mental prayer, along with meditations for every day for Lent. So we did a private Q&A for them. Now we're doing a public Q&A for you. And I want to tell you guys who are out on, so obviously there's many people listening on EWTN radio and we're grateful to EWTN for having us on. But also we're live streaming the show right now on Facebook. And one of the groups we're live streaming to, I'll tell everyone on Facebook. Facebook's a bit of a cesspool, but the authentic contemplative prayer group on Facebook run by Connie Rossini is the best place to get authentic teaching on the Catholic mystical tradition on Facebook in terms of a very live and active group. We have our own groups, spiritualdirection.com, that sort of thing, but Connie has a very live, active, managed group that is just off the charts amazing. So I just wanted to, and I'll say this, since I'm plugging Connie Rossini, she wrote the best book ever in the known universe on Centering Prayer. So if you want to know if Centering Prayer is Catholic, you're going to need to get her book, Is Centering Prayer, Catholic, and you'll find out. That's right. All right. And while you're talking about Facebook, to those that are listening, make sure you like, share, comment, so that we can keep the traffic going, as it were, because it does get suppressed. Facebook, if you don't like something or comment on it, then it gets shoved to the bottom. So help us out and help good authentic content, faithful content, move forward, help bring it to the top so that you can keep seeing it and so others can see it. So make sure you support one another in that way. Same as, same with YouTube, because we used to get like, one show would get thousands of views or one video. Now it's in the hundreds. It's crazy. And it all happened all overnight. And so it's very suspicious. Okay. So today we're answering questions on mental prayer. Let's go ahead and jump in. And there's the first question. Do you want to read that or do you want me to read it? Please answer. Yes. Okay. My wife says that when she just tried mental prayer, she never hears God. She expects him to speak like he is sitting next to her. How would you describe to her what it is like when God speaks? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is I want to encourage your wife, because she desires to hear God. And that desire, the Lord has put that on her heart, which is a beautiful thing. Because anything that's good and holy, these desires for him, for a greater faith, hope, love, communion with him, union with him, has been placed on her hearts by him. And it's a promise that he's going to bring it to fruition, according to his plan and according to his good will. And the thing that we know about God is his will will be done. It will be done. So, all that being said, how do we hear the voice of God? There are people that are gifted with a grace at a moment in time under a particular situation where the Lord will speak out loud to them. We see it all through Scripture. We hear it in the writings of the saints. We see it with good and holy people that are very humble and walking humbly with their God, and that happens to them. And that's a beautiful thing. It's not that it doesn't happen. It does happen. And it's good to desire to hear your Lord. But we don't call down God. We don't make him do what we want him to do. So, how can we draw near to him and seek to know his voice in often the most common way that he speaks to us, which is silently in our hearts? Well, and also in the most common way, Scripture, Magisterium. He's got a lot of words. Right. He has already very clearly laid out for us. Right, right. So, he forms us. He speaks to us in the silent of our heart, in silence itself, in prayer, in circumstance, in the situations with our families. He speaks to us through the voice of our husband, by the way, which was an interesting revelation that I came to through some interesting, powerful circumstances. So, everything I say is what, Magisterium? No. Well, I hope so. But no, you're not. God speaks to me through you. Yeah, as well, you to me through you. Right. So, through our spiritual directors, through holy priests, through, you know, a million different ways, but we can't put God in a box if it won't happen. But we need to, in prayer, the most important stance that we can take is one of humility. And what it brings to mind is a particular prayer that I pray every day. And the first line of that is, I am nothing, you are God, Father, I love you. Father, I love you, you are God, I am nothing. You know, that reminds me of the stance that I want to take, not in a nihilistic kind of way, but it's lowering myself, drawing near to my God, to my King, and to humbly place my heart before Him, to seek Him in Scripture, to seek Him in meditation, in the silence of my prayer, and then to listen to how He is going to lead me, or how He silently forms me. The way you know that God is speaking to you, or working in your life, is by the fruit of your devotion, your prayer, your spiritual life. Are you becoming holier? Yes. Are you growing in virtue, or are you not? If you're not, there's something wrong that needs to be worked on. Maybe you need to make sure that you're frequenting the sacraments, more mass, more Eucharist, more confession, self-examination at the end of the day, deeper prayer, all of those things, but how God speaks is not something that we can manipulate or dictate. No formula. I think one thing is important for this person. If I were to give them a prescription, it would be simply this. The most important form of prayer for someone in this place, where it's where she is, is daily meditation on the Gospels, because God has already spoken, and he's given us a lifetime of meditation. If you read the Gospels every day until the day you die, he will constantly bring something new, not every single day. But I mean, what I'm saying is, if you have a daily discipline of meeting God in lexiodivine and scriptures, you will regularly learn things that you didn't see before, hear things you didn't hear before. And it's a better disposition to go seeking to love God and to give him love in prayer rather than saying, I'm here, now you talk to me. Right. Right. Now I can't hear your voice. There's something wrong. That's not the right way. As you said, their heart is good and that they desire. I mean, that's a good desire. But we did a whole show on locutions. Locutions can actually be pretty powerful and problematic. And that's when you hear audibly or interiorly the voice of God. But we did a whole show on Teresa Vivaldi's teaching on that. So daily, what you should do, daily mental prayer in the scriptures. If you want a good book on the subject, I wrote the easiest book to read and implement. And this producer will pop it up on the screen right now. And it is called Into the Deep, Finding Peace through Prayer. And it will teach you essentially how to begin to learn to hear the voice of God. And then also another one is the Sermon of Spirits. Spiritual warfare and the Sermon of Spirits, which helps you to learn the voice of God as well. And there are other good books on it, but those are two that I wrote that are the simplest, easiest entry ways into those. There are folks like Father Gallagher, who on the Sermon of Spirits written them, much more in-depth treatment. And he's like the supreme wizard. I should probably shouldn't use that phrase. He's the expert. He's the scholar of our time as well as Father William Watson on the Sermon of Spirits. But those are good entry ways into understanding and hearing the voice of God. Right, right. And the other thing is, is the Sermon of Spirits is important to secondarily, so to understand that that seed of doubt that's going through her mind and her heart is from the enemy that that is working against her to say, God's not speaking to you. This is probably useless. You know, why don't you give up this prayer thing? So pray against that in the name of Jesus and then ask for greater faith. Ask the Lord to increase your faith. Lord, I believe, help my unbelief. Fill me with peace and joy and humility of heart. And don't demand God responding the way you... Or don't despair. Or expect. Or expect. Yeah, good. Okay, you can get those books at EWTN's Religious Catalog always. With the great thing about EWTN's Religious Catalog is when you buy books from them, two things happen. One, they actually send them to you. And the other is you're helping the ministry of EWTN. Very cool. Sophia's Suppress also carries them, spiritualdirection.com shop. You know, so there's all kinds of good ways to get. The great thing about EWTN too and their books that they carry, they have a theology department. That vets every book. And so, you know, some people think, oh, it has the Nealob sad or whatever. That really doesn't mean much anymore in the church because, unfortunately, the theological disciplines are out the window. So what really matters is trusted publishers like Sophia Institute Press, trusted organizations like EWTN. I'll tell you something. And try to shop through them. You know, try to avoid the big evil empire. Of Amazon. Right. Which is suppressing free... I'm saying Amazon suppressing free speech and suppressing Catholic voices like Dr. Kerry Gress and the Mary and Option. They're not our friends anymore. We can evangelize through them, but you should be buying from St. Paul's books in Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah. Go see our friend, Devani. Yeah, that's right. All right. Before... oh, we're already... How did we get out of time already? I don't know. How did that happen? Words were spoken in time pass. It was a good question that that person asked. So all right, when we get back from the break, we'll keep answering questions from on mental prayer. We'll be right back. 13. Okay. Okay. And Marcus said go. Welcome back. This is Dan Stephanie Burke with Divine Intimacy Radio. You're a radio haven of rest talking about mental prayer and answering questions about mental prayer. I wanted to tell you the end of this show, so the questions we have now we received at another... We actually asked our community Apostoli VA these questions, and so that's where they came from. The end of the show, we'll do some live questions to answer right off Facebook. So if you're watching us on Facebook and you have a question, we'll answer a few of those. If you want to hang out a little bit after the shows, the formal show is over. That's right. We'll hang out a few minutes and answer your questions. But what's the next question, producer man? Can you give advice on dealing with the awkwardness or feeling of isolation when there is a barrier to sharing the prayer life with your spouse? This is a great question. Can you read that again? Can you give advice on dealing with the awkwardness or feeling of isolation when there's a barrier to sharing prayer life with your spouse or spiritual intimacy? That's tough. That is tough. And there are so many people in this situation. I think let that comfort your heart because there are a lot of folks in unequally yoked marriages, which is what we call it, where one of the spouses is farther along in the spiritual life or one is not there at all or there's a rejection of the faith or whatever. So how do they get through the awkwardness, Dan? What's your thoughts on that? It's tough. We have a marriage retreat that can help a lot. And in fact, it's rooted in Catholic mystical tradition, the only one of its kind, really. There's a lot of other good retreats out there on marriage, but ours is rooted in the Catholic mystical tradition. It really does help husband and wife get on the same page. We're seeing so many marriages that are being transformed through this ministry, this part of our ministry, which has been a little shocking and... In a good way. Yeah, it just really have blown us away. We were kind of arm wrestled into starting this part of our ministry by a beautiful Mother Superior. Hey, Mother Louise Murray, we love you. And anyway, so she helped us get this started. So anyway, all that being said, there are a million things that we could address here. First of all, deep prayer and sacrifice for your spouse. The prayer of a praying wife or the prayer of a praying husband can have a tremendous effect on your marriage. Not belittling, not criticizing, not nagging, not constantly pressing. And the second you see something good emerge, a sliver of a good parade. Throw a parade. Yeah, it's like, you know, when your little kid does their first, you know, stick figure drawing, you act like it's the Mona Lisa, right? Or the, or a Rembrandt. Yo, wow, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. People need encouragement. I have another idea too. I would strongly recommend, if your spouse will read a book with you, that you read this book together. And I didn't write it. I don't have any, don't make any money from it. Discernment of spirits in marriage, Ignatian wisdom for husbands and wives. It's a very non-threatening book. It's written in story form, teaches deep truths. You can read back and forth. Nobody will feel like they have to do anything. It's available through Sophia Institute Press. I think it's at UWTEN's Religious Catalog too. Yeah. But this is an amazing book that can really help husbands and wives better understand one another, understand how the enemy gets in and works, and if they'll read with you. There's no book I'd recommend more, I think, than this one. Right. For beginning. Yeah. The other thing that comes to mind is you strive. You strive to be holy. You're talking to me? No. I'm talking to any couple. Any spouse that's in an unequally yoked marriage. Yeah. You strive. We can't fix our children. We can't fix our husbands. You can't fix your wives. You can be engaged. You can be incredibly holy and chase after the Lord and know that in that pursuit of God, He will change you. That grace will flow through you to your loved ones and it will begin to change your family. And by the way, that's why Jordan, our oldest son, is our producer because of, I think, your pursuit of holiness in the family and had a huge effect on him. He's shaking his head, yes. I know a woman who prayed her three sons into the church because of her. But she didn't nag them or control them. What she did is she spent hours a day in prayer and sought her own personal holiness. They saw what changed in her and were compelled by it and drawn to it. We know husbands and wives in the same category. Yeah. And honestly, I remember being in mass after I started daily prayer and my daughter, who was a middle schooler at the time, was standing next to me and I realized she kept looking up at me and I looked at her. She's a little shorter than me at the time. And she goes, Mommy, there's something different about you. And I thought, praise Jesus. Praise Jesus that she can see this flame that is starting to burn in me. That has a tremendous effect on your marriage, on your family, on your children. So we have to pursue the Lord on our own journey. And don't try to make them. And don't try to fix everybody else. But let your actions, your words, your love, your love transform your family. One story and then we'll jump to the next question. So friends of ours, husband, total conversion and all on fire for Jesus. And his wife says to him, I'm tired of this Jesus stuff. And if you don't quit, I'm going to leave. And he said, I love you. I can't quit. And I don't want you to leave, right? And he loved for her. He loved her and he cared for her and he didn't nag her. And then she had a major conversion. And now they're a force of nature together, force of God in ministry in the Denver area because of his wholehearted pursuit of God without nagging and trying to control his wife, just loving her better than he had loved her before. Yeah. Holiness in a spouse is very attractive. It can be repelling if you're not there. Yeah. If somebody's really off the rails. Right. Like if you're atheist or completely aggressive towards the faith or whatever. But if it's transforming you to be more holy, to be more loving because the ultimate and this union with God and it creates our desire to imitate Christ in perfect selflessness has an effect on others, right? Yeah. That's going to draw them to you because you're going to love them more perfectly if you are truly becoming authentically holy. And love builds a bridge over which truth can pass. Yeah. Next question, producer man. It is common for most of us to overthink how we have a relationship with Jesus. Is it common for most of us to overthink how to have a relationship with Jesus? My director uses the comment to me often, just enjoy being Jesus with Jesus. I guess. I don't know. I think most people put way too little into that reality. And I guess for some people they can overthink it and maybe for the scrupulous, I don't know. But I find most people underthink it and need a lot of formation to understand what it really means to be in relationship with Him. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to know without speaking to this person and kind of know what they're struggling with. If we're fixated on where we are on the ladder of a sound or whether we're in purgative, illuminative, unitive, and we start to kind of stare at the dashboard all the time, we can kind of lose the journey and lose the grace and beauty. The greatest way that you know if you are growing in relationship with Christ is how your love is growing, how your virtue is growing. That is the number one measure. It really is. If you're not becoming more loving, then there's something wrong. If you're worried about who's sitting in your pew at church and furiously praying your rosary breeds at the speed of light and scowling at those who don't think or act the way you do, then you might not be in an authentic relationship with the Lord. So it's both and, I think it's both and. We should put a lot of emphasis on growing in relationship with the Lord but not obsess about where we are on that journey. Yeah, and I just I still don't find that many people who obsess about that. I do think one thing I have seen is people are very studious and they get on fire and then they start reading every book under the sun and that can be destructive because then you get, you know, you're reading all kinds of different spiritualities, you're getting confused, you know, should I pray this way, should I pray that way, you know, instead of just... What kind of method is best, quote, unquote, right? Or if we, I'm sorry, if we over intellectualize it, right? We need to move from our heads to our hearts, you know. All right, next one. How does Lectio Divina and Mental Prayer compare? Well, if Lectio Divina is done right, it is mental prayer. Mental prayer is simply an intimate conversation with God. So Lectio Divina is a method that is intended, method of meditation that's intended to lead you to that reality. So Lectio Divina, if you practice it right, if you sit and read at a leisurely pace, if you talk to God about what you're reading, if you encounter him in that reading, where he convicts you, or he brings you to tears, or he draws you into some spiritual reality that he wants to draw you into, that is mental prayer. So they're not in conflict in any way. If done well, you know, is that simple, right? I think so. Okay, that was easy. I have a lot of trouble visualizing what I'm reading in the Gospels. What can I do to help me enter into the Gospel scene instead of simple reading it? Wow, we've got some good answers on this one. Okay, go for it. Watch the Chosen, watch the Chosen series, watch the Passion of the Christ, read Theophilus by Michael O'Brien. And all of those are like the best on the planet, easily accessible to everyone, ways to get a holy imagination going. Yeah, also rest. Rest in that scripture, you know, I think, you know, if we think about Christ is always our example, par excellence, right? Yeah. If the goal is union with God, we can think about scripturally Christ did not see being God something to be grasped about, but rather he emptied himself as a slave. As a servant, some scripture verses are written as slaves. So we go to that time of prayer, we enter into it, and we allow the scripture itself to speak to us rather than trying to force it into something that it shouldn't be. So rest in your prayer, in your meditation. So I'd recommend into the deep again, the producer can put that up on the screen for you. Finding peace through prayer. One of the things that I teach in there that can help you with this is to go extreme, very, very, very slow in the scripture as you're reading. And think of every word and think, you know, when it says, if you're meditating, well, you know what, I won't have time to give an example. No, another example is the contemplative rosary. The contemplative rosary is a great way to do it. Connie Rossini and I wrote and we're at a time. Okay. Well, until next time, may the God of peace make you perfect in holiness. May he preserve you whole and entire spirit, soul, and body irreproachable at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. For those who want to hang out for a minute, we'll take some live questions and then we'll wrap it up. Okay. Is that a live question? Look at that. Julie Kalman Scott, just three names. Go ahead. What's the question? They're all first names, too. What are some holy, some examples of a wife and mother to become more holy? I think that's. Oh, wow. Just, I would just stick to 40. 40? Wow, there's a million. Okay. Great question though. Oh. Paradigm of ascent. Yes. Yes. Paradigm of ascent, which they can find into the deep. Do you have any now? It's only a spiritual warfare and a discernment of spirit. Oh, sorry. But we have the free course in apostole VA. Right. So, getting community. Community is incredibly important, which you referenced, apostole VA. So, draw near. It's all free and you can get free formation, find other moms, and grow in holiness that way. Daily mental prayer, that's through into the deep. That can help you learning discernment of spirits. That's also all helpful, all good. That will all help you grow in holiness. One of the things that I love and I love and I love this is our lady. Our lady, she's the perfect mother, the perfect woman for us, the perfect example. And one of the things that I found to be incredibly helpful is through my consecration to Jesus through Mary. And so, it's total consecration to Jesus through Mary. It's St. Louis de Montfort. I did the 33-day consecration. So, it's an amazing experience for me. But within that, I learned about the 10 virtues of Mary. And I really recommend to all women and men too, because she's perfect, to go to those virtues. You can even just Google them and they'll come up. So, the 10 virtues of Mary and to pray over those different virtues, asking for those virtues. Do it, use it as an examine. Am I displaying these virtues? Are they being lived out in my life and to strive for those virtues? That will, listen, if you spent the rest of your life trying to achieve those virtues, you would come to incredible holiness. So, I totally agree with you. Back just so people don't go paradigm of what? Really quickly, paradigm of set are the fundamental elements that are true in the lives of every saint that's ever existed. Sacramental life is healthy. There's a course out on apostolateva.org, which the producer just popped it out, popped it on the screen. But sacramental health, the Eucharist and reconciliation, a daily mental prayer and examine, and then acetical disciplines of self-giving and self-denial. And there's one that's the most important. All right, and I know you're going to say it because you already pointed to the one who's the best example. Right, your fiat. Your yes. You actually say a fiat. You go, you need to go to the Lord in the blessed sacrament and say, Lord, take over my life. I will do whatever you ask of me. Amen. And he's waiting for you to do that. Amen. All right, Jordan, what's the next one? What is your advice for a spouse that is repelled by holiness? Gosh, I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that. You just keep being holy. I have seen sometimes where it results in a breakup because somebody is holy and good, and I've seen it where the spouse has converted. And really, you just have to be holy. You just have to run after Jesus and leave that to him. But that's very painful. There's some good articles out on apostolavay.org on unequally yoked marriages and how to deal with that effectively. You might go out there apostolavay.org unequally. If you just search unequally yoked or yoked, you'll find them. And you don't even have to be a member there in the blog area. Stephanie and I have written them just because so many people have struggled and I know a lot of people that suffer with that. And one of the most important things is not to... It's a way that the enemy will attack the spouse that is pursuing God and try to derail them and their path. So you strive, keep your eyes on the Lord, step out of that boat, keep your eyes on Jesus and walk across that water to him. Hell or high water, doesn't matter. You just keep going and pray sacrificially for your spouse. Your suffering, whatever suffering you receive, offer it up for the conversion of your spouse. Diary of Elizabeth Lassour can be of great benefit as a book. The other thing is just to re-emphasize what Stephanie is saying. There's no way your spouse is going to be saved unless you are incredibly holy. They may not be saved, but there's greater chance if you just keep running after the Lord with all you have. All right. Next, maybe the last question. Yeah. Parenting teens, what would you have done differently if Lord had mercy? Oh, look, it's a consulata. I would have had a lot more duct tape and Velcro. And if when they were little, I would have put Velcro strips in the ceiling and made Velcro suits for them. And when they were bad, I would stick them on the ceiling until they promised to be good. Yeah. Is that right? No. Oh, okay. Right. You know, I don't know. It's a tough question, right? Because I think no matter where you are in the parenting realm, you can always look backwards with regret and say, I wish I'd done this. They wouldn't be doing this right now if I had done that or whatever. Liz and I, the queen of having to renounce those kind of temptations by the enemy to be drawn into the past. So I, you know, there's a million things that I would have done differently. Be holy. I wish I were holier when I was younger. I wish the faith and devotion and the fire that I have now that I had it when I was 10, 15, 25, 30, 40. I won't go on to how old I am. You know, all of that. I wish I'd been holier. That's probably the most important thing that I would say. Chase after the Lord with all your might. I wish I'd been holier, right? So what matters is now going forward. How can I be who God is calling me to be so that the great, so that I don't hinder the grace that's supposed to come and flow through me to my loved ones to reach them? Number one, right? That way you just said is number one. Number two, I think is sharing your heart and your conversion with your kids so that they, because sometimes we can be too private about our faith, especially Catholics. And when our heart is a fire for the Lord, they need to hear it. They need to see us in prayer. We did do that right. We had an altar in our home right away, where, you know, right in the middle, where we would meet and pray every day and our kids saw that. Jordan, who's our producer now, left the faith for a while and came back and he said the greatest thing that we did was consistency and witness so that we were always striving, you know? In terms of guilt, I will say this last thing. The most perfect parent that's ever existed, perfect in love, perfect in self-sacrifice. And I actually know them intimately. I know they're the most perfect parent that ever existed. They have billions of wayward children. And that's our Lord and our Blessed Trinity. Sometimes you have your great parents and you have kids go away. Sometimes there's a young man visiting us in the studio audience, so to speak, who had awesome parents and all of his, he and his siblings are on the right path. But, you know, nobody, our wills are what, our individual wills determine, you know, whether or not we're going to follow God and we can have the best examples and not follow the Lord. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good. Don't let the lie of the enemy tell you, oh, if I'm just perfect, then my kids are going to be okay. It's not true. It's not true. Grow in holiness. Grow in faith. Run after Jesus. Run after Jesus. Have a beautiful, powerful holy marriage and love your children to the Lord in good example and pray together as a family. Do those things. Do the rosary together, yeah. Yes. Do all that and then hope in the Lord. Get rid of the television. Get rid of digital devices, a few other things, right? No gaming. Don't fund sin. Don't fund sin. Don't fund sin. Yeah. Don't fund sin. Don't finance your child's wayward behavior. Don't pay for the car they run off in in our disobedient end. Right. Or the trashy clothes. Or the demonic music. There's a lot of that. Jordan's clothes are fine. He was worried about it just now. All right. And any quick ones that we can do on the last one are there? No. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll save that for next time. We'll wrap it up. Okay. All right. Thanks for hanging with us. God bless you. Please go out to spiritualdirection.com, our website. Subscribe. One thing I'll say this to you as we exit is the image of God in a free speech you're clamping down. And if you want to make sure you always stay connected with us, subscribe at spiritualdirection.com. That's it. All right. God bless. Okay. God bless you. Take care.