 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump! Yeah, yeah! For the first 46 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. First, Justin talks about his Organifi Green Hulk pancake. Yeah, Hulk pancakes. That's a new thing, making pancakes with the Organifi Green Juice. So it's healthier and tastier. Your kids will love you. If you go to organifi.com forward slash mind pump, you will, and enter the code Mind Pump, you will get 20% off any Organifi supplement. Then we talk about my pre-workout stimulant caffeine bomb that I did yesterday. I actually was able to see into the future. Yeah. Then we talk about the butcher box, sirloin cap, and chicken. Let me tell you something right now. It's fucking delicious. Yeah, we didn't really identify exactly where it was on the cow, but it's delicious. It's amazing. 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The next question was, this individual wants to know what natural things women can do to get their hormones to balance and be on point, you know, to maximize things like fat loss, muscle building, and overall health. And the next question was, how do you deal with a spouse or partner who has a very high level of need, much higher than your own? In other words, divorce them. High maintenance. What do you do with a needy person? And finally, the last question. What is our favorite place that we've ever traveled to? And why? Also, I don't know why I said it all breathy like that. Also, this month, our foundational program, the first maps program, the most popular maps program, Maps Anabolic is 50% off. It's under $60. If you get it this month, it's on sale. Go to mindpumpmedia.com and roll in Maps Anabolic or check out our other maps programs or check out our bundles. We have bundles of maps programs. We put them together and discount them and design them for specific goals. Like, do you want to be a sexy athlete? Do you want to build a bigger butt? Do you want to work out for a year and have expert exercise program the entire time? We have bundles for all of those things. I do. You can find all of those plus the 50% off maps at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time! It's t-shirt time. Give away them shirts, Doug. Third time's a charm. Yeah. All right. We had 13 reviews. Hold on. Let me guess. Is one of them have to do with a maple leaf? Yeah. You've got it. What's the name? Nachos. Is there something about mine? There's a micro penis guy. Something like that. All right. We're giving out four shirts. The first one happens to be the maple leaf man. Whoa. Psychic sal. I knew it. PWL 1984. Cubic Kenny. Minecraft Nacho. He measures everything in Cubics. All of your winners sent a name I just read to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Said your shirt size, your shipping address, we'll get that right out to you. Thank you. Did you finally try it, Justin, you on? I'm in. I'm in. You're always last, bro. You're always last. You're always last growing up, too. You know, last picked. No. Obviously. You're always first. Obviously not. That's hilarious. Yeah. Stupid. Stupid. I was the one picking everybody. Hey, have you tried my green pancakes yet or what? My Hulk? Yours? I was telling you, dude. I, like, I, before, it was the 4th of July, I was trying to do something special for the kids. And, like, we've done, we've done, like, we called them Hulk pancakes before. Okay. And I used to do that just with, like, kale and spinach. And we'd try and, like, mix that in with, like, banana and, like, whatever else we could to make it taste, like, somewhat, you know, edible. Tricking the kids? Tricking the kids. Always trying to trick the kids. And then, yeah, and then I asked you about, because you had mentioned using it with the Organifi Green Juice. Yes. Because it gives it a nice kind of a minty flavor. So how does that work? You just add it to pancake mix? Yeah. No, no, no. It's a different recipe than that. So they have it on their website exactly. We use almond flour. Yeah. We use almond flour. We use the green juice. You use a banana in there. And then the chocolate chips. Yeah. So the chocolate chips. Money. Right. A little bit of chocolate chips in there because it's got a mint. Yeah, the minty flavor. Oh, I gotta try that. Yeah. So my youngest ate those up, dude, like stacks of those things. So that's good. I gotta try that. Yeah. And the banana helps to kind of give it a little bit of texture if you want to add a little bit of that. Will your kids eat something like that now? Probably. Yeah. Probably. I covered it with a bunch of maple syrup. Oh, you did? You don't even need syrup, dude. It's sweet enough. Yeah. Whipped cream would be a good call. Yeah. Honestly, with the chocolate chips in there, just, and I only do a few of them in there, and then just a little tiny bit of syrup over there, and it's good. Yeah. Just the drizzle. Yeah, it's already sweet. Just a little Snoop Dogg. But I haven't done that. But I haven't done, I hadn't think about whipped cream or something like that. That would be bomb, actually. Like a cocoa whip or something that would be over that. Yeah. That's delicious. That cocoa whip is off the chain. It is. It was exhausted, right? After work. I know. We all were kind of bad. Well, because we were up at that place up in Carmel for the fourth, and having a good time, and going to bed late, and talking all night or whatever. Yeah. And so I was tired, but I had to work out. It was yesterday was my, it was the second workout of the week for the chest, shoulder, tricep area on the map split. So this is like unilateral stuff, and I'm starting to go heavy on it now, because of my last week in this phase. Mm-hmm. But I was fucking tired. And you guys know I don't typically miss workouts. I just, I hate doing it. So I'm like, oh, it's like, dude, I got to work out, but I'm exhausted. So what I did was I did something that I would never advise anybody else to do, which this is what a terrible, this is what terrible trainers do. And it's funny, I train other people so much better than I train myself, right? So I'm exhausted. If I had a client that was really tired like that, I would tell them, don't work out. Or just go easy. Just go easy. That's probably the smart thing to do. Yeah. But see, I'm training. You're reasonable. But this is just me, I'm training. So on the way home, I stop over at the vitamin shop, and I get the strongest-looking pre-workout ready to drink. Oh, you did it. You told me you were going to do it, and you hadn't done it in years. You did it. I did, bro. Is that what you texted us? That picture? I did. I took a picture of it, and partly because I thought it would be funny, and partly because if I died, that way you guys would know, like, oh, this is why he died. Yeah, we'll tell everybody. We'll tell everybody. Yeah, we know exactly what happened. Yeah. So I drank it, and basically was on fire for a few hours. Like, I worked out really, really hard, had trouble sleeping last night. I was going to say that. So now I'm tired today. God damn, what are they putting those things? That's the crack. You know how much caffeine was in it? How much? You know how much caffeine was in that thing? 200 milligrams. No, 200. That's for kids, apparently. That's for kids. 350. Wow. Then there was some other shit in there, and then, I mean, there was all the stuff in there, but it also tasted like green apple. Like, I don't know how that happened. Yeah, so I drank the whole thing, and I'm driving home, and I only live, I don't know, five minutes away from the vitamin shop. In the five minutes I'm driving home, I already feel little pricks on my skin, you know what I mean? Little dee dee dee dee dee. I was like, oh, shit. I hate that feeling. I made a mistake. Yeah, your heart rate's going too fast, and like, a little bit of shortness of breath, and you're just like, ah. Oh, no, I just put on a... That's what happens to me when I get too much caffeine. No, I listened to Sepultura and played that and worked out in my garage, and like an asshole. I think it's awesome to throw that in there every once in a while. Because we don't use it, I think there's those times where I'm like, okay, I could use a little... Like a jolt. Yeah, a little jolt today, because I just... And a lot of times it's more of the mental state I'm in than the physical state I'm in. Sometimes I'm just overwhelmed with work stuff in my mind's other places, and I just... You want that dopamine rush? Right, I do. I just want that rush before going in, and man, that just... Nothing gets me more focused. Now, the only drawback of that is, I literally cannot do it past like three o'clock. It's hard to sleep. Yeah, that fucks up your sleep. Yeah, otherwise, I'm fucking toast, dude. Well, I know all night long. It's obvious why they're addicting. I mean, they are fun. I could see that, and if I was a kid and I didn't know any better, that would be my go-to all the time. Oh, yeah, that's why they're so popular. I wonder if, since we've... I mean, it's been three years that we've been kind of talking trash about pre-workouts. I wonder what the increase of pre-workout has been over the last three years. What do you mean, the sales? Yeah, like, is it increasing still, you think? A whole section at the vitamin shop was pre-workout. Yeah, I was gonna say. There was a whole section there. If it changed, you'd just rebranded, if anything. It's just... Because they're addicting. It's addicting, it's fun, I get it. It creates the illusion that you had a better workout. And here's the deal. You do perform better in your workout, but does that translate into better games? You know what I'm saying? Right. I don't think it does. But it's fun, and I'm gonna be honest, I do... Look, when we go to these fitness conventions... I could argue it does in the sense that, like, okay, if you know, like, you weren't gonna get that workout in, had you not done that. You know, like, is it now... I think if you compare it to what you said, which I think you're right, is, you know, if you just took it easy, right? Like, if you really were overstressed, you didn't sleep very well, you needed to get in the gym, and you needed to train. I think your best bet is to still go train, but then go easy. You know what I'm saying? You don't need to fry your CNS, right? I know. But I could argue that taking the pre-workout, killing the workout, would be better than you not working out at all. So I... I don't know. Maybe for me, because I never do it, so it's like a one-off. You know what I mean? But a lot of people take it... Oh, for sure, for you. Every workout. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. That's the problem is, like, now you have another workout coming up. Like, you're going to be like, you're going to want to have that same feeling again, and you're not going to be able to recreate that, you know? So it's like... It's a temptation that's always going to be there. What I did was... Because I've done this before while I have too many stimulants. I've done this probably a hundred times in my life, where I've just overdone the stimulants, and I'm like, I never seem to learn my lesson. So what I did to... What I've learned that helps bring me down is if I eat a large meal. Like, if I eat a large, especially a protein, fat meal, it seems to bring my level down and kick in the parasympathetic. So I had... I grilled up the... What is it? They call it something else, but it's a tri-tip, basically, from Butcher Box. Oh, yeah. What do they call it? That's the cap. The sirloin cap. Is that what they call it? Yeah, I believe it. It's a tri-tip, right? It tastes just like a tri-tip. Yeah, I mean, it's a very delicious kind of meat. I've never even heard of that kind of meat, so... You know, you should put it on the TV. Doug and I know... I've seen this on the internet before, so... Picture of the cow. Yes, there's a picture of a cow with all the different cuts and where they're at. I know the brisket is, like, right below the neck. Oh, I love brisket. Yeah, so... No, I did... I did the cap, so I ate a whole bunch of that. I probably ate over a pound of meat, and then I had some potato chips left over from the 4th of July party. So I ate those two. How did you guys like... I felt like you guys didn't even say anything about my tri-tip, man. I really... You did a good job, dude. How did you like that whole... That was a combination with the wifey there. You know, she knocked out the mushrooms in the spinach. But you grilled it at the right amount in the barbecue, and I actually learned something from you with the barbecue, where you turned off... You turned on the two sides. Yeah. Left the two in the middle off and turned it into, like, an oven. Mm-hmm. So, oh, there's the beef chart. Where's the sirloin cap come from, Doug? See if you can find that. Oh, right there. What is that? And the cap would be the top? I don't know. Probably. The garb sirloin. Okay, so it's kind of near the... It's right above the junk area, right? Right before the leg, like the round, and then it goes... I think it would go up, though, right? The cap makes sense. It would be the cap, the top of the sirloin, because the sirloin runs that whole quarter-half of the back quarter-half of the cow. It's probably the top of the leg. Oh, yeah. I like my favorite cuts, ribeye. What do you guys... So, do you guys keep the same order from Butcher Box every month or do you change it every time? I haven't changed mine yet. Right now, I'm on the every other month delivery. Yeah, I haven't changed it yet, but I... Oh, we've changed it. I'm gonna change it this next round. I think I'm gonna change it and eliminate chicken. Oh, we do the job. Oh, you've done chicken? I haven't done it. I've just done all these. I get my chicken thighs from them now, too. Oh, nice. Yeah. I throw chicken in just because I like to mix it up, but at the same time, I'm not a big fan of chicken. Yeah. It's just the boring meat. Oh, see, I love... Chicken thighs grilled in the barbecue to me is like... Oh. Really? They're good, but... Chicken thighs grilled in the barbecue, white rice, and like some green veggie, like a staple breakfast, or a staple meal for me for sure. I already eat it for breakfast, though, too. Definitely thighs are better than the breast. You know what's funny? I think for the first, probably like eight years, maybe longer of my fitness career... Nice to live off breasts. It's all I used to do was breast, man. Don't look at me like that. Don't look at me like that. What? That was... You know, chicken breasts are so overrated. Can we talk about that for a second? Yeah, definitely. That's an overrated piece. Why have they been sold so much because they're mean? Because they're low-fat. I mean, that's why. Yeah. That's why they're so overrated, though. Chicken thighs, so much juicier, better meat. You get the fats that are good for you. Yes. You get better flavor. Oh. And you don't promote this breeding of chickens that look mutant. Have you seen the chickens that they breed? The big-ass chest. They look like... They look weird, bro. They have no neck. Yeah, massive pecs, and they can barely walk. It's like they look at you like, sup, bro. There was a guy that used to work out at the Golds on Monterey when I used to work out. I think I told you guys about him. I used to call him Captain Chicken Breast because... Not because he ate a lot of chicken breast, because he literally looked like all he ever worked out in his entire life was his chest. Yeah. He had the... There's a lot of those guys. He had the smallest and skinniest arms. He had skinny legs. He had no back muscles, but he looked like a chicken, like the ones that were bred. Did he wear a tight green shirt all the time? He wore a blue one, I think. Oh, okay. And his girlfriend... I know who you're talking about. And his girlfriend would come follow him around, and she'd load his bench press for him. He'd walk around with the invisible lats. Yes. And then when he'd bench... Because his chest was so big and his arms were so short and small, his range of motion was maybe four inches. Biggie, biggie, biggie, biggie. You know what I mean? And that's it. Yeah, it's funny how... I always wonder what happens to guys that get stuck like that. Is it because... What I think is some woman at one point complimented you. You got a nice chest, and that's all they worked on forever. I try to think of what would have trapped me into doing something like that. That's what would trap me, right? If I was in the middle of building my physique and there was something I did, right? You know what I'm gonna do? I'm just gonna focus on chest this month. And some girl was like, man, you just look so great lately. You can say, like, okay, that's it. Chest forever. Big chest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? I love your big chest. Oh, cool. Yeah. Like, what sends a guy on training just... Probably because he got compliments for it. Or maybe he's good at one lift. Like, maybe he's like a good bencher and he sucks at everything else. Oh, okay. Exactly. Like he says, all he has to go up is like barely an inch. Yeah, because his exercises, because he used to always go at the same time I did. So his workout consisted of flat bench dumbbell chest press, flat bench barbell bench press, peck deck, hammer strength chest press. It was always those four exercises. Not even any flies. Nothing. And his dumbbell press, he grabbed the 100, so he was relatively strong, right? But he had no range of motion because he had this big, big chest in these short little arms. So he'd come down and he'd kind of tip the dumbbells like this a little bit, angle them. So they kind of like... Oh, yeah. So everything's in... It was just really short. And his girlfriend would take one of the dumbbells from him whenever he'd be done. And her whole job was to follow him around and take it... Yeah, dude. I would tell Katrina to do that for me always. Hey, baby. Would you follow me around? Hold this towel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hand the way... Hold this towel for me. Hand the weights to me. Yeah. Speaking of which, so I was... Oh, I talked to you guys about it. I want to try to... I'm looking at getting specialists either on our YouTube channel or maybe on the show and talk about breast augmentation because so many female competitors get that kind of procedure done. Yeah, that's an excellent idea. I think it would be a good idea because there's good ways to do it, bad ways to do it. How does it compromise shoulder function and posture and all that stuff? What's the ramifications long-term? Yeah. Is there any before and after pics? Yeah. Of course. So I was looking stuff stuff up and then I saw that there's another procedure that's gaining popularity. But? No. Labiaplasty. What? It's called labiaplasty. Why? They go in... It's been around, but it's gaining... It really is gaining traction. It's gaining traction. So is that reducing like the size of the lips? It's to make your vagina more aesthetic, apparently. Huh. I didn't know that that was a thing. You know what I mean? So they go in and they trim the labia in shape and whatever to make it look more... If I was aesthetic... If I was a chick, I'd be worried that that would mess with like... Yeah, like you can't feel sensations like... Yeah, like that's like where all the sensation is going on. I mean, that's... I think I could totally see that end up like... You know, like when girls... That's one of the things when girls get the breast implants. They lose feeling? They lose feeling in their nipples sometimes. Like, and that's... That's a hotspot, man. Yeah, what if all of a sudden like, oh, shit, I can't really orgasm as well? Yeah, or even if you still can, it's just like diminished. Like that, like... If you... Would you do anything to your pecker if you knew that it would like... 10% less good orgasms? Like, would you do that? No. I mean, we all got circumcised. Well, I mean, they're not even for two more inches. I mean, there's penis enlargement surgery, and I get that too. So I'm wondering if the women that get this... How does that work? Penis enlargement surgery? Yeah. That's a good question. There's like still some inside? I think they might... I think that's what they do. They pull some out that's still in your body. Did you know your dick's much bigger than you think? Dang. So much potential there. So much potential. Just penis pumping. That's the same concept. They're just pulling yours and sucking it out right there. No, that'll think that's the same thing. But yeah, so they... Wow. I mean, I guess what they do is they trim it and it's for people who feel... Don't do it, man. No. That's kind of crazy. Why would you do that? Yeah. I guess you really have to either have a really bad situation or just be really insecure about it. Yeah. You know what I mean? To get something like that. But it's gaining popularity. Wow. That's unfortunate. You know what I think has caused that is the... I guess the ease of access to pornography. You know, because now women are probably comparing themselves. Right. Because either that or women are with their friends are like, let me see. You remember when it was weird that people would have like a shaved situation down there. I remember when that became popular. Yeah. Like that was like right when porn really was like mainstream. It's true. Yeah. Because before that it was nobody shaved. No. Nobody shaved in the 80s. You had to deal with like a serious fur, you know. I remember having a I remember having a girlfriend when I was a kid that was thinking about doing it and I told her not to. Oh no. Don't leave that. Leave your big ass push down there. Did you really like it? Awesome mistake. Did you really like it or did you say it I think at that age because this is my this is teenage years right. I think I liked it as a teenage boy because it was like it was a woman and that was like and like having a shaved vagina for a teenage boy was just like I made you feel like I'm doing something with a little girl. Yeah. So I think the asking her to keep a big ass bush was like me going. I can see that. Yeah. I mean that's what I think you know. It's hard to say that was so long ago for me but I do remember I do remember that. I remember her like and I was like no leave this big ass bush big ass bush like a nice like pillow. Oh no. What I was funny because I'm sure that there's people who know you who know who your first girlfriend was. Adam used to like Adam like your bush. Yeah. You know why they think that we have pubes to begin with because you obviously if you look at a human naked it's weird we have hair I would think it would to keep bacteria disease stuff getting in no that would only encourage things. You know what I mean? It traps things. No. I figure the same thing why we have hair in our nostrils and stuff like that. So you don't breathe through your nose and that's helps you from prevents you from inhaling dirt and stuff but you don't breathe through your through your your your private. Just keep it warm. No. No. Well this is a theory you don't think air comes in and out of there. I don't think you're supposed to breathe through it though. Yeah. I don't think you practice breathing through but air comes in I think it's because the same reason why we have hair under our armpits like why do we have armpit hair? Keep our armpits warm? No. It's there because it traps our pheromones and we produce a lot of pheromones in our armpits. It heightens the scent. Yes. It reproduces a lot of pheromones in our armpits and in our private areas. And so it holds all that in there so that you attract your other you know the other people. So you're sort of you know wafting you know you try so hard as modern humans to eliminate all smell completely but there's there's an element of smell that is that we find attractive. We just don't put it you know we can't put our finger on it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Sometimes you can. Yeah. Yeah anyway. So you guys ready for a controversial? Oh my God. I think I know what you're about to bring up. I didn't do controversial for for a few episodes. Remember you guys told me. This is going to be a well I saw you very crazy. Not much to be honest with you. Really? Not much. I thought I'd get more fire but but I didn't and it's I don't know why things like this are controversial. So the Marines did a study to compare men and women and they found that women get injured more frequently and they tend to shoot less accurately than men also and I think the reason why they're doing is this is because there's a push now for the soldiers to be in battle more or to include them in the field more or whatever and so they did this study they did an internal study with everybody. It's like very current or was this like over a span like 10 years? Oh I don't know how long it took but they just they just did this right now it was 400 Marines that they that they studied here and they found that those are the things that they found so I posted that and wanted to see what people thought about it because there were notable differences in execution times you know so I mean what do you guys think about that what do you guys think about the the differences here's the here's the thing the point that I made because I posted this in the forum and it stirred up a little bit of a of a discussion yeah what was the comments I didn't get to read what I had to there were two female army people who had served in the carrying all the gear that we have to carry or pulling someone off the field got injured you know generally women just aren't going to be as good as it because we're not as big or physically strong and so one of them said what I think needs to happen is we need to have a standard and it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman you pass the standard and that's the way I look at it too because I think in some segments they change the standards if you're a man and there's there's some fire departments and police departments that do that as well which I think is is crazy it doesn't make any sense when it's life and death kind of situations and I know it's it's definitely an uncomfortable topic you know because like we all want to look at ourselves as like completely equal in all levels but there's like physical stature and there's just things that are obviously different we're not though I know we're not we're all different people like especially men and women are definitely different we're not equal and there's gonna be things that men are better at there's gonna be things that women are better at there's gonna be things that tall people are good at there's gonna be things that short people are good at bottom line and when it comes to things that are fucking serving us or serving our country or potentially saving lives I want the best man or woman in that position I don't give a fuck you know I'm saying like that's so silly to me I think it's just political correctness run amok like when you have these departments there's some police and fire departments that do this they give different standards for men and for women and I'm not I don't care you know man woman whatever you figure out what the standard is and then whoever's doing the job should be able to stick with it it is and the point that I made in the forum about this was there are clear general there are clear general differences between men and women that we've established now through decades of research okay general and these we're talking about group we're talking about a big group like women and men but when you go down to the individual it starts to break down because there's such a massive variance for example I know women who can lift more weight than we can I know women who are stronger than we are there's top level always outliers that well my point is is that when we look at these general tests really what's the point of that at the end of the day it's the individual here's your here's what you need to pass you either pass or you don't what has happened instead is in some of these departments is they want to be so politically correct that rather than saying the right thing which is we're going to be blind to gender here's your your standards pass or fail and it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman that's the right thing to do and that's actually the anti-sexist or non-sexist thing to do instead what they do is they look at a police department 90% or 95% are this gender and this is by the way this doesn't happen with female-dominated spaces like they don't look at nursing or teaching and say the same thing like they don't look at teachers and go hey most teachers are women we need to change the standards and get more men and they don't do that only do that with male-dominated ones but they'll look at it and say okay it's 95% men we need to create fill this this need or whatever so that it's more equal and then the way they do it is by changing the standards that doesn't make any sense at all but I don't think this is controversial the part that was that I thought Did you have anybody on the form that actually disagreed? No I had I had one message from someone I feel like that one's too easy because I feel like that's I mean it is you thought it was controversial well the part that I thought would be controversial wasn't the obvious like it's too obvious the one that I thought people would have a problem with was the shooting accuracy one because it says that it said that men check this out it said that men with no shooting experience many times would shoot more accurately than women with shooting experience according to the study now here's a deal again it breaks down at the individual level because at the bottom line you could take an individual and they could be amazing man or woman but generally speaking scientists have talked about this there's a certain type of intelligence that men and women have evolved to have for example women verbally are generally tend to score higher than men verbally they're better communicators they're also can read signs of feeling and empathy much better than men can this is just general of course there's men that are much better than some women and vice versa but generally speaking they do better when it comes to noticing movement men tend to do better and it makes sense of course we're guessing but it makes sense if you consider men were the hunters that we probably were selected hardwired somewhere yeah that we there was some selection going on where men had to be better at throwing a spear or noticing you know patterns and movement in the distance and focusing on it so we could hunt or whatever whereas you know women notice here's another one women are much better at noticing shades of colors different colors they also have a more keen sense of smell which again makes sense if they were the ones that were gathering that they could pick out the fruit that wasn't poisonous or the ripe or they could smell something and see like okay this is safety or this isn't safety no that's true I remember we were talking about just walking as we were walking through nature and we stopped for a second to look like oh wow look at this vibrant color didn't even notice it walking through there a few times until we stopped something that unless you know you're you're constantly conditioning your your brain and your eyes to like pay attention to it's like you categorize everything to be more efficient well this is exactly why I have Katrina do all the grocery shopping and why I don't come she picks out better food than me I think all that food is safe do you do the hunting Adam I was like if we ever have the hunt I'll be the one to do it you know what I'm saying if we ever do he throws a rock at the steak I got it you know how how is this different than something like affirmative action that it isn't it isn't something like that does something very similar and it's based off of race or sex because that's what it sounds like to me when you when you explain like what they're doing it's like well how's that any different than like you know giving someone a job based off of well some colleges for example or let somebody into a college well some colleges for example in a city like Asian for example if you're Asian you have to score higher on tests than you do if you're white or another race so if you're Asian it's harder to get in to certain colleges because why they would say your your race is overrepresented there's a lot more Asians with better scores whatever I hate that they even I don't they just lump everybody into groups instead of just taking it's like they're trying so hard individually they're trying so hard to not be racist and discriminatory and the way they're doing is by becoming racist and discriminatory so Tripp on this so Enzo was listening to our episode that we just did recently about the yearbooks and whenever we're talking about you know cliques in high school yeah oh yeah it says there's no cliques yeah you but he knows you say that they are he's saying out by race by race that's what yeah that's always kind of happened a little bit when I grew up I was it was predominantly all white and I had there was a maybe there was three black kids in the school maybe there was eight to ten Asian kids in the school and the rest were like white kids so you separated by clique for sure like whatever you were into and it didn't matter what race you were so the Asian kid could have been hanging out with the nerds yeah it was predominantly just like yeah whatever your interests were the most in my high school campus in the area and looking around prison right hey another white guy can't hang out with me right that's kind of weird now do you think I think it's more normal to like gravitate towards the things that you're interested in well here's a good this is a great discussion do you think it's because the kids want to hang out with the same race or do you think it's because people of the same race tend to relate to each other better because like for example if I run into a bunch of Asian-Americans who have Italian or Sicilian parents we're probably going to have more in common because of it do you think it's because of that or do you think it's just because of the race no I think it's because of what you just said maybe yeah of course because the things in high school that are you know awkward or weird like for each other like if you come if like you said if your first generation coming over here like you may dress different your lunch that is packed for you is probably different like you said it into your lifestyle at a very early age before you even got to this school that's like this I'm sure you're going to have more in common with that so I could see that I still just think it's really weird yeah he said you know the other you know the other thing he said you know he's 17 right so he's a real young kid he's never seen a fight ever ever seen a fight see that that's mind-boggling to me he's never seen a fight there's so many fights no fights in elementary it's like every week there's at least one or two like we would go follow back behind this church and people duke it out isn't that book you're reading Ai-jen talking about how they just they do less of that stuff like there's less fighting less violence yeah no it does talk about that but I didn't think it was that less well he's also going to he also goes to like like a yeah like no no Saratoga okay high school but even I remember though even you know the upper class high schools or whatever there was lots of going down look my kids have been going my kids my son's 12 and there's one scuffle that happened at his school and it wasn't even a fight it was a kid said something to another kid and then he pushed him and it was a big deal no it's interesting you bring that up because that happened every day one of my yeah one of my friends was coaching basketball for my oldest and I went to school with him and we were talking about because we actually got in a fight me and him when we were younger growing up and he was like apologizing to me for that I'm like apologizing for we were kids we were fighting we didn't know the fuck we were doing you know like he's like yeah I just was thinking about that because like his kid like same age as my oldest like they're just so nice to each other like everybody is like he notices this because he works you know within the schools and everything and like every kid is like very conscious of you know other kids feelings and all this because of where he's at you know because that's I'm curious maybe my buddy is a vice principal over in like Merced right that area or Turlock area right and it's a little different like he's constant there's somebody in his office I'm sure yeah almost every day over some crazy shit they've had gang stuff they've had guns they've had they've had a lot of crazy really oh yeah you know the big thing that he says is I know violence is down overall though yeah overall overall it is down it's actually down overall in all categories gun violence assault like just generally it seems like society's just getting better and better you know what you know what Inzo was also saying is that the popular thing are those little cartridges that go into laptops they're they're disguised as memory cards whatever you call them yeah and but they're it's nicotine hits wow so all the kids are on like nicotine that's like the big we mean nicotine hits they're vapes yeah they're little tiny cartridges that look just like memory cards that go into your USB drive or whatever of your computer or your laptop and they're hitting them in class kids are so funny like they do it because it's like sneaky yeah because if they were allowed to do that nobody would be puffing on a nicotine you know USB drive nobody would care nobody would care I didn't even know that existed till he showed me wow yeah it's like did you guys ever come up with like clever ways to sneak things into school did you guys ever do anything like that you guys just remember those calculators like you had to memorize all these stupid ass formulas and so there was like on the sleeve of it a couple formulas on right everybody was like oh sweet like it would cheat I definitely this is the one thing I did I remember cheating I put like formulas on the back of this like sleeve of the calculator because you could just slide it down and look at it boom and then you had your formula wow yeah because like memorizing was literally like the whole class it was so obnoxious to me so here's how I cheated one time with my friend we both wrote the answers on a piece of paper and taped it to the bottom of our shoe because he sat next to me yeah and so then we would just cross our legs and he would look at my shoe and I'd look at his shoe nice and then we would cheat that's the move that's pretty solid I didn't do I didn't do much cheating in school you know I think I got caught one time maybe when I became real quick and savvy to the teachers do a lot of our teachers would give like three different tests and different orders so if you'd copied it was like super fast and obvious right so all the questions were out of order between every kid every other kid right so if you copied a kid that was within your eyeball range and you got your test back it's like you obviously copied the kid over here that had the test A and you had test B and so our teachers would do show that yeah we couldn't really do stuff like that dude there was this kid at school who got who turned himself in for cheating you want to know why so there was a teacher's aid for this class and the teacher's aid had because it was a multiple choice so you just fill in the bubbles and what teachers have is they have this like this what is it called the key or whatever it shows the pattern so the teacher's aid copied this key and then sold it to this guy that was in my class so this kid had the pattern so when he did the test he filled out the pattern turns on the test a week later whatever we get the test back he gets all of them wrong an F do you know why because the pattern was off he lined it up wrong he lined it up wrong by one so instead of like so every answer was exactly one off was exactly one off so he turned himself in hoping that he turned himself take the test again most teachers know are smart enough to know that that kid cheated too because if you get a it's almost impossible to get a zero like if you blindly you have to purposely like make it off exactly that's what I'm saying like you would literally that's a good point I wonder if they're waiting for him no oh for sure a teacher and that's what I mean by even then he has to have the F that's how they would fuck you that's how they would fuck you with these three tests A, B and C would all be one off and so that's how a teacher would know right away if you cheated because they're like oh yeah all the right answers for the A test did you guys get nervous before tests? uh no I was a good test taker yeah I was a good test taker like the SAT and all that I think I was nervous oh yeah you did all that I never took the SAT did you take the SAT did you take the SAT yeah I said I didn't go to college though I knew I was you know what I did do though I didn't cheat or do I didn't really do much but I did one year this was my this was hilarious I forgot all this my biology teacher you know we used to we did a lot of like shit on the TV there was always like a thing we had to watch before we did lab or some shit and I went down and got a universal remote and I and I programmed it and I programmed it so I would keep it in my backpack and then when we get there and we'd be watching TV for like five or ten minutes or another change the channel real quick and then he had to go up there and he's got his own remote so he's like you know I know and I would do it just enough to where he couldn't figure it out like if I kept doing it like a lot like it'd be obvious like okay something's going on here but I would just fuck with him like and I only had a couple buddies in the class that knew what was going on and so we would be snickering that's great yeah I wouldn't get nervous but if they gave us the opportunity sometimes teachers would give us the option and never nobody would ever take this option but they'd say you can either do the written test or you could do the oral test and every kid was like I was always like sell loves oral oh yeah sell loves oral give me the oral no give me the oral test because I knew I could stand up in front of the class and I could make it sound like I knew what I was talking about oh wow I was definitely the opposite of that every time you did that when you were younger huh oh yeah I remember specifically I remember specifically when we were supposed to do a full report on the book Lord of the Ring not Lord of the Ring Lord of the Flies Lord of the Flies Lord of the Flies and the day before I didn't read a single page of this book at all was that freshman year that's freshman year book right I don't remember bro but that's how I took tests I would understand patterns the teacher would you know how they would like construct a test and then I would break that down and then I wouldn't even do any of the work you know that was like half of my plan was to figure out how much like how good a grade I could get with doing the least amount of work that's the sign of an entrepreneur it is right it's so weird though like that's totally why I didn't learn anything but I was just like yeah I was just like this is silly like I could I could get an A still watch I would figure it out no I stood up in the class we were doing the report and I picked the oral report the day before never read the book so I had my dad rent me the movie I watched Lord of the Flies on TV stood up stood up in the front of the class got a standing ovation from the teacher because I because why because I I'm good at this I connected the theme of the story of Lord of the Flies to modern life and I'm like this and I just went all philosophical I went off dude and the teacher stood up and she's like excellent job Sal I can tell you really like the book and I don't even have the book I don't even have the book I don't know if I I'm trying to think what book I actually read all the way through from cover to cover in high school I can't think of one really of My Submen you want to know you guys are about to you know what books I read cover to cover what my history books the actual text books that they give us oh yeah you know what's funny I would be into reading that now like your social studies books and stuff like that I read all the philosophy books I was not into I was not in social studies I hated I remember those worksheets that we used to get every single fucking day homework you had to go through a chapter and go back and fill out all the worksheets I go straight to the glossary and just fucking figure out the words anything that's important they just teach you dates and what happened yeah instead of like why did this happen what's the how does this apply to today and why is this important no it's about like what you know what date was the Boston Tea Party well a lot of school is just memorization dude all of it is a lot of it really it really is I didn't get a lot of teachers that would explain the why there's no discussion there it was just like learn this and then they throw like a manual you need to memorize it oh and seventh or eighth grade Mr. Sweeney I think his name was terrible teacher terrible all he would do is we would get in the class he'd put up he had one of those projectors or whatever where you put the clear plastic whatever over there and he'd say alright read chapters one two and three and then answer these questions and then he'd sit at his desk and he would do nothing and every once in a while he would stand up and read from the chapter he was literally a fucking placeholder for a teacher I used to piss him off like crazy because I never paid attention and so I'd be in the back reading all the way through the history book cause I thought it was fascinating I'd just be reading and the way he would try and get me and he must have done this like ten times is he would be reading and whatever and you know he'd try and engage people and I'd just be in the back reading my own self and then all of a sudden I'd hear so Sal what do you think of blah blah blah blah like ha I got you and I'd answer the right answer and he'd look at me like fuck fuck I probably told this but that was like my English class where this Miss Visser she would make us read basically the entire class without discussion and so everybody would get a part and we would go through I think it was like I was Mercutio you know from Romeo and Juliet I would just like opt in to like read something because I wanted to do something I didn't want to just sit there and so I remember going had to go into the principle because I basically read the whole part and acted it out with my arctic breeze character basically you read it like that yeah just like that and like everybody was dying you know and then and then the teacher got really pissed off at me and was just like you're not coming back the rest of the day I'm like like fine go to the office you know like fine I just got really bored dude I right now I literally just cringe because I could I took myself back to being in a classroom that silence of the teachers that used to make you do that where it would be like we're going to read a couple chapters like that I've been in that situation and that has to be up there with some of the most awful moments as a kid growing up of having to sit in a room and like looking up at the clock so unproductive looking up at the clock every five minutes like god damn I wish that thing would go faster and the whole room silent all you could hear is the occasional page turn how many minds I mean how many it's almost like like oh wow you went through that and you're successful good for you well I think that's where so much of it is ways on the parents right like as far as like your how you follow up with your kids afterwards I think that that's everything right like being able to have the discussions with your kids after stimulating conversation yeah absolutely like to me and the kids that their parents that didn't give a fuck about that and then do that are probably the same kids did you guys ever have ever that sucks lame we had a French teacher I'm not going to say her name I've trained a lot of them every time I trained when I'd be like god damn where were you when I was a kid dude I would have definitely done my homework oh no we had one and she wasn't even we had a substitute did you whoa she was a fox wow well let me tell you dude well you guys know this you got a bunch of 15 or 14 year old 15 year old dudes whose testosterone levels have reached epic proportions and it doesn't tell me what to do I am listening well I am listening we had this one you have my attention we had this one French teacher I won't say her name because she's local and I think she's still teaching but she and she wasn't super attractive she was just a woman this is like 25 years ago bro she's probably not as hot as you and this you don't necessarily need to be like hot you just need to be like attractive teacher hot and appropriate with their male students. And some of them are like downright smoking. Have you seen some of these? Yeah, that's like. I never had a teacher like that. I'm like, wow. But no, this particular teacher, she would always wear these like silk tops or whatever. And she just had the most pointy nipples. Wow. Yeah. And they would poke out. That's distracting. So distracting. Like every guy in there was just like, ah, what? And then she'd come over to help, you know, like with your thing or whatever you're working on. With your thing? Yeah. And so she'd lean over. Please help me with my thing, please. So you're sitting at your desk, right? And you'd raise your hand and you'd say, you know, I'm not going to say her name, but we'd call her madame, whatever her name was, because, you know, I don't want to call her out. And she's speaking in French. Yeah, madame, whatever. She'd walk over, she'd walk over, and she'd lean over you. And her nipple would be like right there. And then you, for sure, the guys in there, for sure we knew why we'd call her over. I'd be like, ah, can you help me with number four? And then all the guys would be like, Well, it was the worst because our substitute teacher, I remember her coming in and she would wear those like kind of fuzzy sweatshirts or sweaters. And like, yeah, she had, she was very well, you know, developed and it was distract. She was very mature. She was very, they were there, right? And she would come in one time to kind of take over and teach us like sex ed and everything. I'm like, oh my God, really? She taught you sex ed? Yeah, but it was like a follow up series of what already. And so she was a little uncomfortable with it too. And all the guys in there were just like, oh my God, like we just sat there like listening to her talk about it. And it was, you know, it was epic. Did you see Enzo the other day in the meeting, his first meeting that he was in with all of us? He raised his hand. He raised his hand. I died laughing inside, you know what I'm saying? He's a good kid. We were all talking, everyone's going back up for the meeting, then like Enzo raises his hand. Can I say something? We think about it though, like, you know, at one point you were trained to do that same thing too, right? Like, if you were in a group of people and you wanted to talk like that. I got something. Yeah. Waiting, like patiently calling. Next time he does it in the next week. Don't call him? Yeah. I'm going to look past him. Let's go around the room. Anybody, anybody have anything to say? Anybody have any questions? Oh good, great. I'm glad. Anybody, anybody out there? There's five of us in the room. I'll high five that hand. Good job. Yeah, he's a good kid. I like having somebody that age. Oh, good job, Adam. I like having someone that age on staff, because it's always fun. Oh, no, it's good for us. Yeah, it's always fun. We learn a lot. It's like, it's interesting. Yeah, it reminds me of just how old we are. Yeah. For sure. This quiz brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Mike Lunaris. Bad movement or no movement? If you had to choose between the two, which would you each pick? Shout out to our boy, Mikey. What up, Mikey? That's a good question. No, that is a cool question. That's very thought-provoking, I think. Yeah, there's a huge misconception with movement, in which if you're moving, you are creating a recruitment pattern. If you're moving, you're developing certain muscles. If you're moving, you're training your body to do something. Now, that is also true with no movement. If you're not moving, you're also creating recruitment patterns or promoting some. If you're not moving, you're also promoting some muscles to become atrophied. If you're not moving, you're also causing dysfunction. So the reality is, bad movement and no movement, both of them will cause problems. I think in bad movement, we can categorize some as being totally dangerous and some just being not great for you. But aside from the super dangerous bad movement stuff where you actually injure yourself, bad movement may be better than no movement because at least you're moving and you're burning calories. At least internally, things are functioning, at least by the movement process. But yeah, I think that as far as getting to a place where you're going to face pain or injury or both scenarios, you're going to come to a halt with either of those scenarios. So I don't really see too much of a preference in either direction other than I would probably go with the bad movement just because I'm moving. And that's really all I could say. Because he said movement, I would say bad movement. If it was exercising or a lift or something, what's better, bad squats or no squats, something like that, then maybe there's a different answer to this. But otherwise, I think moving in general is better than not moving at all. If it's just straight up, to move or not to move, and even if you're a movement. For example, when I see this all the time, I see the 80-year-old man that lives down my neighborhood and his posture is so bad that he's looking straight down at the ground and he's out there walking. And you look at him and you go like, oh my God, his posture is so fucked up. But then I also look at him like, good for him that he's getting out and he's still walking and he's still moving because somebody with that fucked up of posture, I could easily see them being like, oh, I'm in so much pain all the time, I have bad posture, I shouldn't be, every time I walk, it ends up hurting my low back and all these things where I think you'd be in a much worse position than to not move whatsoever. Now, if we were to take this to a squat or something like that, do I think it's better to not load a barbell and get under there and squat with bad mechanics versus not squatting at all? Yeah, I think not squatting at all is better than putting a bunch of weight on your back and then squatting with really bad patterns. Yeah, that's a different scenario. At the end of the day, well, here's the deal, your body adapts to whatever you do and don't do. That's the important point that I'm trying to make here. It's not like if you don't do anything, then nothing happens. If you don't do anything, a lot of things happen. Right, and you start shutting things down. And no movement is very, very bad for you. Now, why would a bad squat be worse than not squatting at all? I'll tell you why, because you hurt yourself, which then results in no movement. No movement is the worst thing you could, it's one of the worst things you could possibly do for your body. If you don't believe me, you can play this experiment on yourself. Get in bed, don't leave your bed for a week or two weeks and watch how quickly your health and your state of mind declines. Well, isn't the, I mean, the problem with breaking your hips when you're older, I mean, it's the rapid decline of health and that right visibly in front of you see just the health just go completely because of the non-movement as a result. Like they're not motivated to get up and down. They're not motivated to get circulation. And then it's just like, and then the defeated sort of mindset that happens as a result as well, it just all is just rapid decline of the entire system. Well, what was the last time you had a limb in a cast, right? For, you know, even if you sprain something and you have it in a brace for two weeks, take that brace off and you'll be, the first time I ever did it, I was shocked at how much muscle I lost. It was actually, I didn't expect that because I'd never done that before. I take the brace off and my muscle's gone and it looks scary. Now, of course it comes back when you move and exercise it, but that just goes to show you that your body's adapting always, always. There is no stagnant, there is no stable baseline. It's either adapting in a favorable way or adapting in an unfavorable way or a mix of the both. Either way though, there's something that's always happened that's always happening. So, you know, like I said, to ask a question like this, like if you sit down and you don't move, that is one of the most unhealthy things you could do not only for your body, but also for your mind. If you really wanna see your mind go in a bad place, lock yourself in a room and on a bed and stay in there for just a few days even. I know how I feel when I'm sick and I can't and I stay on a couch and how that fucks with my head. You know? Oh, it's absolutely terrible. Now, of course the best answer is good movement, you know, doing good movement. But you know, here's the deal like you don't have to, and we talk a lot about exercise programming and workouts and the best exercises and how to do them right and this, that and the other. But the average person, if the average person who just wants just overall health, doesn't really care about performance, doesn't wanna build lots of muscle, wants to, doesn't need to look super lean, just wanna maintain a good, healthy body for longevity, you can get away with a few exercises. Like a barbell squat is one of them, a deadlift, an overhead press, maybe a row, maybe a chest press, get really good at those and, you know, maybe variations of them and get good at movement and you're gonna have good, you know, you'll maintain decent mobility for the rest of your life. On the flip side, if somebody does nothing at all and just goes to work, sits down at work and drives home and sits down at home. If you don't use it, you lose it, man. Quick, I, people would be shocked. I'll tell you what, first people who are, trainers who are listening know exactly what I'm talking about. You get the average age of a client who hires a personal trainer is probably 40 something, right? Wouldn't you agree? Like late 30s, maybe early to mid 40s probably, right? Because they have expendable income. At that time, at that age, you're value hiring a professional more than if you're 20 and you think you could just do everything on your own. So I would get clients all the time who were like 43, 45, 50, 39, whatever. And I would, inevitably, if they hadn't worked out ever or hadn't worked out in years, they couldn't do basic things like reach straight up above their head. Literally, take a 45 year old who doesn't work out at all, have them hold the dumbbell and have them fully extend above their head. And what you'll see is a shit ton of compensation to lower back. You'll see all kinds of dysfunction in the shoulder, in the neck, have them do their own form long enough and they'll hurt themselves. That's how bad the movement is. And then when they get to like 60 and 70, holy cow. Like I would get 60 and 70 year old clients who would get so excited because I would get them to the point where they could reach above their head. Cause they couldn't even do it. They couldn't even straighten their elbow. It was like they were just like right here and they couldn't reach things in high areas. So yeah, not moving is one of the absolute worst things you could possibly do. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think there's studies that compare sitting in terms of threat to your health to smoking cigarettes. If I'm not mistaken. I've seen those, yeah. Where it's almost as bad as smoking. It's very close to be as bad. Have you guys ever trained a client and had them like, especially an older client had to leave or not work out cause they hurt themselves and then you see them like a month later? Oh yeah. It was just completely deteriorated. Like yeah. Scary, right? It's tough, man. Yeah. To see that because it's frustrating for them. And you just see like it was only a few weeks and it's like you're starting all over again. Yeah. I had one lady who I trained. I'm sure I've told this a long time ago, but she was in her early 70s and wonderful woman. Her daughter brought her to me because she needed more strength. She was quite deconditioned. She couldn't move very well. So I trained her for, I want to say about two or three years. So we trained for a while. Very basic, very, very basic. Like the first stuff that we would do would be like just practicing standing up from a chair, right? Like that was her first exercise. And over the course of three years, like she didn't become some fitness fanatic and I didn't make her like this super mobile bodybuilder, but she was significantly better than how she started. Then she slipped in the shower and she broke her leg. So she breaks her leg. So now she can't get out of bed. She can't move. So she's got this cast not coming in, not coming in. Next thing I know her daughter calls me is like, look, I'm paying for someone to take care of my mom right now, can't afford a trainer anymore. So she's, you know, if we can afford it later, she'll come see you, but I don't think she's gonna come see you for a while. So I said, okay, no problem. It was something like seven or eight months later. So it wasn't even a year later. So leg is healed and everything. I'm at the grocery store and I see her. Her name is Barbara. I see her. First off, when she used to come see me, she did have poor posture, but she could still walk relatively upright. I see her in the grocery store. She's almost completely horizontal with a walker. Like really bad bent over. She's walking with her daughter. Her daughter's walking around with her in the grocery store. So I call her out like, hey, you know, Barbara, hey, and she kind of looks up at me and she's got this very confused look on her face. And I'm like, hey, and her daughter says, hey, hey mom, do you remember Sal? Do you remember Sal? And she goes, no, no. And my heart just crushed because she had, and I remember when I was training her, there were definitely signs of dementia that were starting to happen, but they were really, really subtle. And the only reason why I could tell is because, you know, I'd spent a lot of time with her. I'd train her three days a week or so and we would have all these conversations and stuff. And she would ask me, every once in a while she'd ask me a question, you know, that she had asked me like a week or two ago. So I'd say, oh, okay. I think maybe she's having a little bit of dementia, but wasn't like, if you just met her, you wouldn't notice. Eight months later, because she couldn't move because she had broke her leg and she was bedridden and because she didn't exercise anymore. Her posture destroyed, completely deteriorated, didn't even recognize me anymore. And that was terrifying, absolutely terrifying. So make no mistake. No movement is a very, very dangerous. Oh, it'll accelerate poor health for sure. Absolutely. Next question is from Carmen Alessa. I'm wondering what a woman should do to boost their testosterone level naturally. More testosterone would be nice for building muscle, but I'm sure females should aim for something different than men. What natural things can a woman do to get their hormones on point? I don't think it's necessarily that women should aim for something different than men because women in general are gonna be, it's gonna be challenging for a woman to promote more testosterone naturally, right? Obviously, you wouldn't wanna take something synthetically to try and do that because, but a woman, the most optimized natural woman is never gonna have even as much as like the average male does testosterone. No, they have a little bit of testosterone. Right, so you wanna do all the similar stuff. And we talk a lot about that on this show right now, of all sleep and sunlight and lifting heavier weights and... The juve light, I mean, that's quite, why can't they use a juve light? All these things could potentially help them. Yeah, if you're a woman, you don't necessarily want to try to increase your testosterone levels. First off, that's not, it's kind of a difficult thing to do for a woman. And remember, testosterone is the male hormone. It's literally what turns a fetus into a male, you know, it could signal through the, obviously the, or DNA, but it's what turns us into a male. If a woman has high testosterone levels like a man, she will masculinize, she'll start to develop masculine features, grow hair on her face. Clitoris will actually grow as if it's trying to become a penis. Voice will lower. So a lot of things will happen with a woman. You don't want to, unless you have no testosterone, which may affect your libido, that may be more the result of an imbalance between estrogen and progesterone. Those are the hormones that you really want to watch or have imbalance if you're a woman. Having those be out of balance, the more common one to be out of balance is estrogen, the one that, you know, they'll call it estrogen dominance, right? Where your body is either sensitive to estrogen or your progesterone is too low, so the balance is off or you have too much estrogen. This is where you get side effects, you know, and I pulled up a list here of things that I want to make sure I covered them all. Like you'll get hair loss and thinning of hair, depression and anxiety, mood swings and irritability, trouble falling asleep, PMS is much worse, breast tenderness or fibrocystic breast, polycystic ovarian syndrome and ovarian cyst, that's also from estrogen dominance, endometriosis, fibroids, infertility, low libido, water retention bloating, fat gain, accelerated aging and so on. Estrogen dominance can even be a risk factor for cancer. So that's really what you want to look for when you're a woman. Men are the ones that look for low signs of low testosterone because when our hormones are off, it's, that's the easy one to kind of watch and see what's going on. I see, so it's more progesterone and... Estrogen balance. Estrogen balance, that relationship. So I had an issue with a lot of women when I first started training and I think it had to do with the extreme low fat diets that was going on and I would throw one of my female clients on a higher fat diet and instantly they would feel a difference in their hormones. Balance out their hormones. Yeah, like that was, so I think that's the first place I would normally check because this was more common than I thought it would be. And I think it's just because of the fear of eating fat for so many women. And men, men too were avoiding it. I was avoiding it in the, you know... That'll cause hormone imbalance in men too. Right, and so I think by keeping your healthy fats up is an easy thing to look into. If you go too low on anything, right? So if a woman goes too low and carbohydrates for too long, so let's say you're a keto dieter and you do that for a long, long period of time, there's some evidence, without ever coming out, right? There's some evidence that shows that you may have thyroid hormone issues as a result of that. Low fat for sure. You go really low fat. That is immediate, I mean hormone issues. I mean, fat is a essential macronutrient. We need it, we need to eat it, otherwise we'll die. Low, low, low protein can also cause hormone imbalances. And that's what's wrong with some of these like fat diets that we see people do is they're so caught up on following the protocol, the diet, instead of trying to listen to their body and maybe feed their body that way. And I mean, even ourselves, we were following a ketogenic type of protocol for a long period of time there. Man, I haven't, part of why I feel so good right now I think is just the reintroduction of carbohydrates. Like, sure I was eating them, but not like I'm eating them now. Now I'm back up to a healthy 250 grams of carbs. Which isn't like a ton for a guy your size. Right, right. It's just more than 100 than what you're probably eating before. Right, yeah, I mean it's double, right? So it is a lot compared to what I was before, but it's not a crazy amount where I'm like shoveling all these carbs and it's just that I was so low for so long that it was affecting me hormonically, so. You know, if you lose your period, that'll obviously tell you that your hormones are probably not balanced out. And if you stay there long enough, and because of dieting too much or because you're too lean, then you can expect some hormone issues. Another one is just really bad PMS. And it's funny because I think today we're, we try to mask some of the bad symptoms of PMS, you see a lot of women getting prescribed SSRI drugs and anti-anxiety medications and they take them right around PMS. In fact, that's one of the more popular off the label type prescriptions. Anti-depressant pills, huh? Yeah, so it's one of the more common reasons why a doctor will prescribe an anti-depressant off label. So not for like regular depression, but like, oh, your PMS is really bad. Here's an SSRI. I want you to take this, you know, before you have, like the week before you have your period and why you're on your period. And so women will actually take it to try to mask some of the symptoms of PMS. Now PMS symptoms are normal and natural, but the extreme ones could be a sign that your hormones are kind of out of balance. Like if you're a woman and when you PMS, like if your anxiety goes through the roof or you get really fucking dark, I'm talking like it's like a big dramatic change or you become super, super irritable or you can't sleep or you get hot flashes and all this other stuff. It could be just a hormone imbalance between estrogen and progesterone. This is much more common today because women are on birth control for so long. And then when they go out, you know, here's the thing, like if a guy takes anabolic steroids, what does his body do? Stops making testosterone because it's a negative feedback loop, right? Your body senses too much testosterone, stops making its own. Then you go off testosterone. It can take a while for your own natural testosterone levels to come back, right? Sometimes it could take a year or longer. Especially if you were on it for 10 years. Imagine if a guy was on testosterone for 10 or 15 years, like a lot of women are before they decide to go off. That's interesting with the antidepressant. Cause I just went in for a checkup and like the first thing they wanna establish is, cause I'm like, well, I'm low energy. I wanna get all my blood work and all the stuff and kind of figure this out. First thing they're going for is like, are you depressed like this and that? Like they're going through this whole protocol of just like if I'm low energy, then you know, an antidepressant might be the answer to that. That's right. Now, aside from the obvious stuff of balancing out your hormones, you know, having a good whole food based diet, not going too hard in restriction, but also not eating a ton. Cause if you have high, high body fat levels, then you may also get estrogen dominance because fat is an estrogen sensitive tissue that could actually cause you to produce more estrogen. If you exercise properly, don't overwork, you get good sleep and you're still having some of these issues, you may be either consuming too much sugar cause sugar can cause issues with estrogen. Alcohol and caffeine are our other ones. Caffeine can actually cause in some women spikes in estrogen and in other women's drops in estrogen. So look at caffeine and I've had, you know, online clients where I'll have them eliminate caffeine and a lot of their symptoms will go away. Artificial fragrances. A lot of these fragrances that you smell, like candles that you may light, that you think, oh, this smells nice. It smells like, you know, cinnamon, apple or whatever. If it's not a natural, like, you know, type of a candle. Yeah, what about like the makeup and all those things? Champoos and conditioners. Yeah, they all have Xenoestrogens, which are chemicals that have like a weak affinity for the estrogen receptor. That means that they, they don't necessarily give you these strong estrogenic effects, but over time they can. So, you know, start to look at those things, maybe eliminate those. Cleaning supplies, pharmaceuticals can do this. Here's some other things you can do if you have all, all your ducks lined up and everything is going well. Increase your consumption of cruciferous vegetables. They contain broccoli, for example, contains a compound called indul3 carbonyl that when you consume it, your liver changes the type of estrogen metabolites that you produce into the less active forms. So, if you have, if your estrogen dominant or you have these symptoms, eating more broccoli may actually balance you out or you can supplement, you can actually buy indul3 carbonyl and then the stronger version of that is called DIM. But I will say this before supplementing with something like DIM, which is a really strong natural over-the-counter kind of estrogen, you know, like not blocker, but, you know, balanced or whatever. Make sure that's what the problem is because you will be messing with your hormones by taking that. Yeah, it sounds like this person is not really trying, or it has a problem as much as they know the correlation between testosterone and building muscle and they're looking to naturally boost it. I mean, Carmen follows us and we've seen her page before and she's very fit, but she's also shredded. And so what I would say to Carmen, for you in particular, if you wanna do things to naturally balance out your hormones, I would say try gaining a little body fat because you're shredded right now. You don't wanna bulk and lift some heavy weight. Yeah, she's probably around 10% body fat. She's got a six pack and everything. I'd say let your body fat get up to about 15, 60, which is still lean. You're not gonna be like overweight or anything. You're still very lean. Push your body fat up to 15, 16% and leave it there for a little bit and then see how you feel and how your hormones respond. Next question is from Machidog. How do you deal with your spouse or partner's level of need when they far exceed your own? My husband requires so much more attention and accolades than I do and he seems to be getting worse as the years roll on. Wow. Mind pump relationship advice. I know. I love when we come out as experts. I know all the psychologists and fucking counselors and therapists that listen to us cringe all the time. They're like, you are not a professional. You should have, well, fuck. We aren't. No, we're not. But guess what? You asked us. Guess what? It's our show. We're going to give our opinion anyway. I think you need to have him dead lift three times a week. You know, a great book for this. I know we mentioned it on the episode with Sex with Emily. I think for this exact type of a question is five love languages, right? I think it's really important to, and even if you don't read the book, at least you get the concept of it and understand the meaning behind it is that, typically we all have, there's five major love languages and each of us have one or two that are, now you could be a collection of all of them, but you have typically a dominant one or two. And it could be that if you're saying that he needs accolades, so that's affirmation, right? So he needs words of affirmation from you. He could also, it could be services to things that you do for him. So maybe those are the two things that he needs. He likes affirmation. So tell him how good he is and whatever, all those things. And then also do things for him, which could incorporate cooking or cleaning or helping him out with certain things. Like these can all be examples of stuff that you could potentially help him with as far as the love languages. Now where this becomes challenging for partners is when neither one of those two are yours. When yours may be gift receiving and something else. And so this is where I see the most conflict with couples is when they don't seem to recognize that your love languages are completely different. Now that doesn't mean that you can't be incredible partners. Katrina and I have completely opposite love languages. It's just, you have to learn to have empathy. And it may seem very one sided because maybe he doesn't know specifically what yours are and for him to contribute in that direction a little bit more. And it seems like you're putting a lot of effort and emphasis in trying to accommodate what seems to be very needy. Whereas maybe you're not communicating what you actually need effectively. Right well here's, and here's a weird one. So here's it, and this is an area where Katrina and I had to work on like, mind is gift receiving and it's goes stems all the way back to my childhood and my history and stuff like that. So, and I typically as a single guy I bought myself stuff. I buy myself gifts. That's why I like to buy things. That's part of it because I like things, right? And so for Katrina hers is touch and feel and that's a big strength to her. So she's incredibly touchy and feely and loving so as soon as I walk in the door, you know, she makes the effort to make sure she kisses me and looks at me and holds me and if we're sitting next to each other she's always rubbing on me and massaging me and I love all that stuff and appreciate it but I don't need it. And in my head, I'm not counting it as love if that makes sense, right? So it's not registering in my brain as she's loving me but if she gets me a gift like it registers as she's love me. So what happens is a partner ends up doing their own love language that they want for themselves. They end up doing that a lot for their partner and in their head, you're loving them a lot because you're doing the things that you want in return but what you don't realize is that's not their language. So for them, all that effort and work that you're putting in towards quote unquote loving them they're not receiving it the same way that you want. So then that's where people miss and they don't realize it's like this because you love that way because that's the way you like to be loved doesn't necessarily mean that that's what he's looking for. So learning to understand that and then to be okay with, okay I know it's easier for me to love him that. So for example, for me going back to my struggle like I struggle with the affirmation thing. I'm terrible at telling Katrina how beautiful she is how smart she is, how much I love her how much she does for me and those things like that. I'm terrible at that. And so I have had to put in now what I am is I'm a major provider I buy her gifts all the time like I do all that stuff and she gives two shits about that. So if you can imagine I'm a guy who was for a while there like it was like every week I was coming home with new clothes for her or flowers or gifts or things like that. And I'm in my head I'm thinking all the time like I'm fucking totally loving this woman but then at the same time she's feeling deprived and so it's like what the fuck how could she get feel deprived? I feel like I do so much for her well that's because I'm doing the things that are from my love language and the things that I love I'm really not loving her the way that she wants to be loved. So I think it's important that you make this connection I think it's a great read if you haven't read the book. Yeah I think too sometimes he may you know your spouse may be feeling very insecure he may be feeling very insecure about you and the relationship and so just wants more affirmation that you know that you love them that you're secure with them that you wanna be there with them. And I've seen this happen many times with clients where I'll train you know a guy or I'll train a girl and then they start to get fit but their spouse doesn't work out and I'll train them for a year or two years and you know when you guys know this when you train clients you talk about everything right because you become friends you see them for hours every week and I'd hear them talk about this was actually a common thing this exact question was actually quite common where they'd be working out with me for a year or two their body's changing they're feeling better they have more energy now they're doing things that they weren't doing before and then their spouse ends up requiring much more they become more needy they need more attention and they need more and it's like what's going on I say well they're insecure because your value has gone up they've perceived your value at a particular place right like okay you were 20 pounds heavier before you weren't as outgoing before you didn't have as much confidence before now you're 20 pounds leaner you've got more confidence you've got more energy your value has increased their value their perceived value has stayed the same they now will start to feel insecure that's a really good point and really really common and then imagine that with them being off on their languages and it can really compound them oh dude I mean that could be why she feels this way and why it's getting increasingly worse is because you may be increasingly your value may be going up right and he could be staying the same or even going down imagine he's getting more unhealthy or who knows where he's I have no idea about his career what's going on with him there but if he's not growing at the same speed that you're growing as an individual then absolutely imagine if you're just a regular person let's say you're just some regular dude and then you somehow I don't know you're an LA and you're running to Beyonce right let's say she's single and all of a sudden you guys hit it off and now she wants to date you now you're dating Beyonce right the level of insecurity you may have because you're dating Beyonce it's probably gonna be a lot higher and you may come across as more needy what are you doing right now do you love me are you sure you want to be with me why do you want to be with me because you perceive their value as so much higher this happens with work where one person's maybe starts to succeed at work and the other person not so much this may be more common if a woman starts to get very successful because guys tend to get insecure about that right especially if their wife or girlfriend is more successful than them monetarily this happens with bodies if you become more fit or it may be that your spouse or your boyfriend or girlfriend doesn't increase their value but your perceived value decreases because of something that happened to you like you lost your job or you gained weight or maybe you're feeling depressed that causes a lot of problems as well I mean imagine you're with somebody and you are a particular way and then you go through a rough patch where you feel like shit or you gain weight as a result of it now you're very insecure about the other person and it can come across as very needy now the irony of all of this the irony of this is being super needy and needing a lot of that information doesn't necessarily help anything unless it's communicated well it doesn't help and in fact may actually hurt a situation because if you do have that other partner and they are increasing their value and now you're asking them all the time and coming across as needy, needy, needy you may actually be bringing your own value down yourself you may be pushing them away for sure you may be pushing them away because confidence is attractive it's attractive in both sexes men and women and it's unattractive of the opposite as well yeah and hopefully he's picking up on that and that's something like internally just needs to kind of get self-motivated to pours energy elsewhere pick up on that feedback because that's something like between partners you need to maintain a certain level of communication where it's like if I feel like I'm being annoying and pestering my partner I have to read that and I have to understand that that's a problem that's something I need to pull back assess my own insecurities and assess myself and pour myself into something constructive and that's really difficult for a lot of people to understand and reflect on what they're putting out there like that it's so funny because there's certain categories of clients that you get as a personal trainer and there's these common categories that are common reasons why people are hiring like one of them is like I want to get in shape for my wedding you know another one is like a high school reunion or there's a lot of them right they're kind of common like where you hear them a lot one of them and they wouldn't say this but as you get to know them you could figure this out one of them was you could the person is thinking about leaving a relationship so they're gonna hire a personal trainer and start to get in shape you know often that what that happens it's actually pretty crazy where the person comes either they just got divorced or things are kind of rocky so now they're working out to try to improve their value because they're thinking about bouncing or whatever happened all the time Next question is from Stephanie K Nutrition what is the favorite place you've ever traveled to and why? Depends right so I have I have like one of my favorite places I've ever been I've been to Paris and Paris was amazing but that was because I had never been really outside of the US I don't really count Mexico and that was an incredible experience for me because I didn't realize how little history we have here even when you go places that have been around Yeah we're a new country when you look at all the rest of the country Yeah really and so that was a real major experience for me to walk around and find myself just like staring at architecture and buildings you know what I'm saying I wouldn't think that would be that big of a deal but I really really enjoyed that so Paris was an amazing experience for me Now I am but I'm more like a guy who wants to go somewhere I work a lot, I grind hard and so you know traveling all the way over to Europe it can be a taxing and tiring thing of the flight over there and trying to get to places and do things so if I'm in that kind of a mood then that was an amazing experience but if I'm in my normal mood which is when I go on vacation I want room service I want the top notch food I want beach I want like so Jamaica was one of my favorite places that I've ever been for that I stayed at the Royal Plantation which isn't, I forget what movie that's in but it's probably one of if not the nicest hotel in Ocho Rios in Jamaica and it's just everything's red carpet treatment and the hotel was amazing the room that I was in was amazing the beach that we had was private the service there was incredible the chefs that were on the resort were amazing there was like a couple of these chefs were like famous for their dishes and stuff and so that for me was probably two of the my favorite places that I've ever traveled to For me it would be either Nice which was in France which was a long time ago but gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous beach town incredible food people were great I mean it was just, it was a great place to visit the other one is gonna sound kind of cliche or whatever but I really enjoyed Kauai I had a fucking great time there it's like obviously beautiful because it's an island but we did a lot of like hiking and stuff so we saw Waimea Canyon we did some of the Kalalao Trail we did, we went on these ATVs where they filmed Jurassic Park we did a few other things and it was just, it's like amazing outdoor stuff but also amazing beaches and super chill kind of laid back attitude and then the food which was the fish was just incredible I had such a great time there in fact that I think Hawaii's gonna be a place that I, a staple place that I go to now because I just was so and the only reason why I didn't go before is because everybody goes there so you're like let's try something different no man I see why everybody goes there you know what I mean? It's fucking amazing, it's gorgeous that's funny, I haven't actually been in that many places to be honest like I've been to Canada and I've been to obviously like Cabo and Hawaii, I've been to Kauai as well so that was definitely one of my top ones as well did all the, you know everything you could do on the island we pretty much did that and it's just- well this year you're going to- this year yeah so this year like for my wife and I's 10 year anniversary we just wanted and she's very much more traveled than me and has been pretty much everywhere in Europe and it's cool because so she has like a lot of German heritage and actually knows and speaks German so that's something in the future that you know what we're doing right now is kind of like retracing a lot of our heritage and so this trip was going to be about Scotland, Ireland and I've actually- I have been there before which I kind of don't count it because I went with my brother and it was like a last minute thing we had no money and we caught this thing like this is way before like a lot of the websites were up for like you know cheap deals on flights and so we were basically on standby on this thing called like Air Hitch and it was like we were stuck in a hostage in- Hostel? Hostel hostage Hostel situation we were held by gunpoint yeah this story took a crazy turn yeah you know it was a- yeah a hostel you needed Miss America come save me yeah so we're actually in a- yeah in a hostel in LA for like two days just waiting to get on a plane oh what's a hostel like in LA horrible what's a hippies dude smelly hippies and then and so then we flew over into France which is where we ended up in Paris which was just like basically we're waiting to get on another flight to get to England and so it was just this really rushed like I got a little bit of a sense of the landscape and was able to see some sites and stuff but like I was like man I just really want to spend good time and like see things and like you know retrace kind of our historical you know steps and family and all that kind of stuff so anyway so that's I'm really really looking forward to that and so we'll see you came to one of my favorite spots Cabo Cabo I love too Cabo is amazing yeah it's just because it's only a three hour flight it's Mexico like people don't really talk about it much but man we're that place that we all went together I mean that's a we love that oh man so chill and relaxing like that's me like to me that's not it's not for everybody like I know Sal's probably more adventurous likes to go out and do more stuff or I don't think we even like I like both I don't know if we left left the house see I'm totally cool not leaving if it's an environment like that like it's perfect but yeah like I there's some adventure in me still like to to go kind of so this will be kind of different than that but yeah I I fully enjoyed I like both one day I one day I want to go I want to take you guys if we can all go to like Sicily and Southern Italy and the Mediterranean and you could I mean just the culture is incredible absolutely you can do that is amazing and then I can make and it's it's it's so cool when you go to I don't have to ask my parents it's so cool when you go to an old country like Italy where you'll be like you'll be in Rome and you'll oh there's a something that's 2000 years old right there and there's something that's a thousand years old and there's even places like that in Sicily where there's Greek ruins in certain towns in Sicily I would love yeah I definitely want to go in the Mediterranean spend a lot of time there and see all those structures and all the old ancient civilization stuff like I want to take Courtney to Egypt at some point and do one of those like really crazy tours where they get like the Sphinx and like they give you all the back history and stuff so yeah the place I would love to trap that I really want to travel to that has been on my mind for I don't know 20 years for whatever reason Japan I've and I told you guys I want to go to Japan that doesn't even make my top 10 I know I'd love to go to Japan that's thank you finally so we got three three out of four so you're outnumbered I know Doug I know Doug is down I want to go to Japan the culture yes it's fascinating especially you know like Samurai and like just going through all those like gardens and so beautiful oh I love Japanese culture I want to go see some sumo fights I want to see Judo I want to have food in Japan or go to Tokyo and I want to go to big city and I want to go where were you what town were you in Doug or what were you near I was near Osaka which is south of Tokyo second largest city in Japan see we got to go to Japan dude you got to go to Japan and Japan I don't know man I just like crowds and crowds of people like make me nervous you know what I mean isn't Japan like that too is it depends where you go I thought it was a little less I don't know yeah it depends where you're at yeah because where you lived Doug wasn't it more rural yeah I was outside of the city about 40 minutes by train it was very rural out there oh okay but so there's all types of different terrain in Japan it's very diverse I want I want the culture is what fascinates me the most like the karaoke bars and how dude that'd be awesome well no over there it's different Doug would tell me like the businessmen would get together go to these bars and get fucking blitzed yeah like they'd get smashed and after after work or whatever it's just an interesting it's an interesting culture some of some of the it's the hostess bar yeah there you go the hostess bar it's the karaoke bar but you have a girl or girls in short skirts serving you whiskey or whatever I forgot about that part yeah yeah so I think you'd like it Adam I see why Doug was a fan yeah yeah yeah excellent well check this out we have guides that are free these are guides on particular topics like build your chest build your legs build your calves get a flat stomach you know how to do high intensity interval training properly get any guide you want for free go to minepumpfree.com thank you for listening to minepump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your 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