 I've just gone live, but um If you've got the stream up I've even got a little bit of fan art on the on the on the front now instead of a video to make it look slightly better You know instead of a slightly more professional Let me let me take a look He's surprised to be sure What a welcome one was a welcome one. I don't have someone they didn't put an a inside of the a that would have been difficult though Yeah, I don't know if that would work. I guess they probably they probably had a vision of that It would have looked like every frame. Ah pause. I Like that. I like the pause on the P though. I've um Couple people I've spoken to like other youtubers where they find out like where I'm like, oh you can come on to e-fap as a guest They'll be like does that stem for anything by the way? And I'll always go like yeah, every frame of pause that they go. Oh, like they're always pleasantly surprised that it's not just e-fap Electric Jirkeloo But but it's a death. How'd you get jirkeloo? Because um All right that in-depth analysis from ranks That's gotta give the people what they want. I hope I hope audio levels are good as well. Yeah Should be I mean your baby. Yeah. Yeah, I look at this coordinates telling me good things So just just let me know chat Say something like we we hate how loud X person is, you know Um, we see how we sort of have a logo. It's wonderful. Who are today's guests? It's just me and rags if that's okay She's always have to be about a guest Are we not good enough for you? Despicable, but we will there are a few things that are worth with with mentioning so in the last stream We covered a youtuber who has since Not taken it very well. First of all, he deleted comments on his video Then he deleted the videos or at least made them private and then he made private basically all of his videos which You could obviously ask me in rags or whoever else was covering it at the time Well, who was in that pocket? It was me you Alex and cinema cynic synics. That's it None of us would want that because the whole point is that everyone gets to say what they want to say and discussion is encouraged but that is the unfortunate result and You know, you might be like, oh, well, is it just that he just can't take it and he went off. It's like, well I wish it was something of a sort of he just didn't want to come on or whatever but He said like that he's receiving racial slurs insults trolling Angry like all this horrible stuff and I'll have you guys know that at the end of the e-fap I was curious and went on to his video and went to newest comments because I wanted to make sure that it wasn't like toxic We never ever ever want that from this podcast obviously because we wouldn't want it for ourselves very supposed to be self-evident, of course but um So we we we I checked it and there was a lot of stuff There was a top comment that had like 12 upvotes already and it said hey Who else here from e-fap with a happy face? So I don't think right count that as a as a troll, right? That's just that's just a happy thing Someone I remember reading someone say it's interesting that you you know criticize Wolf for throwing criticisms insults at people and then he like simultaneously does it to everybody. He's covering Like that doesn't seem to make sense And then there was a couple of essays like people being like okay at this point you say this at this point You say this and there probably was I didn't see them myself But I'm happy to admit that probably is a couple of like really angry people or racial slur people and stuff but um He sold it as like everybody was doing it and I was just you can check it on Twitter I was just like that wasn't the case So you know it he said at the end. He hopes we're proud of stopping his videos, which Like what how exactly should me and rags even respond? It's like we responded to your assessment of my video so Yeah, man. I mean it's all stuff you said and then a bloated YouTube about people and so We have this perspective of like So some people like you should have a disclaimer you should at every point when covering Share with people that you should absolutely not talk about this person Then there's the other thing or it's like don't cover anybody below a certain amount of subscribers It's not principled really like the idea is when you upload to YouTube You've put your voice out there and you have to accept whatever consequences come as a result because freedom of speech is cool But freedom from consequence is is a little bit more Complicated now the comparison would be that if I Made a video on let's say Joseph Anderson, which I technically did with the soma ones and he like put out a tweet Actually, I got a better example I make a video on HBOM a guy and he puts out a tweet saying that I didn't understand and made it wrong And I have bad criticism. I don't then nuke my channel and say he shouldn't do that because I have a Smaller channel. I just accepted it because it's part of the response sort of thing, but I mean This guy didn't didn't only put out his video He directed it at me and Wolfe and he gave insults to us. So it's just like How is it that it's not 100% fair game? Yeah, I'm not exactly certain at what point is and I've been saying this for a long long time At what point are we not allowed to respond to people who insult us? Like how big do you have to be what what's the cutoff line and how many subs are we allowed to have before we can't respond anymore? And as since since just said surely a disclaimer couldn't hurt and it's like we will happily say what we We don't want to happen or do but like if we had like an intro video for eFap Which could happen eventually it could have a couple of highlights and then like a quick explanation of what it is We might throw a disclaimer in there that would make sense This is like a casual stream to get started up where we just watch some videos The the idea is obviously that if there are people out there who are gonna go attack other content creators with no other Interest in other than annoying them or hurting them then I doubt a disclaimer from us is gonna stop them Because like we do talk about it. You're in coverage. We're like this is not something you should do it's Just leave people alone obviously criticize people because that's what we're doing and that's what we get but Yeah, it's annoying The it's unfortunate the guy is because this is funny having sin sins in the in the comments because I would say that He took criticism fantastically Competed it's like that's how you do it because we would have had should know be odd if he really wanted to He could clarify some stuff and we may have been able to like promote him make a friend out of him sort of thing But it just went really badly And like I said his most of his channel is now privated so There's nothing much we can do about it other than say You don't need to do that and that um, I don't know if you're gonna say you shouldn't insult people don't insult people Just remain consistent because I don't think like what's your take on insults rags when you respond to people prepared to Get as much as you give mm-hmm and I'm okay with insults oftentimes I can ignore them if if you had at least got a strong argument Otherwise it just seems like you're doing it for a Just to annoy or to insult right like as opposed to sort of switch it up and stay You know like a lot of people when they're responding. They'll throw funny jabs Or smug responses and you can sort of get a laugh out of it and as long as you can see that there's that angle you're fine But you know Just say absolutely none and then do it yourself that it's a bit weird and Yeah, people will be brutal like this is the thing when I you know if I responded to Anybody me and rags will get bad bad negative comments on these e-faps alone. Yeah, so We're bad people But anyway, you know, it's there's nothing much more we can do and yes We we were absolutely in favor of people being nice in in comment sections, but me and rags can't control people What else can we say really And honestly if you make stuff on YouTube and you get into this Side of it really if you're on YouTube at all you just got a you gotta have a thick skin. I Mean, honestly, it kind of starts with you. I mean it's only is If it doesn't bother you that it doesn't bother you and that's probably the most You can do to help yourself with this kind of thing is that you just can't you can't let it bother you Mm-hmm, because no matter what somebody out there is gonna say something mean or somebody's gonna make a response to you eventually And if you just and if you just let that stuff get to you on a personal level Then it's not gonna do you any good I don't know if YouTube's the platform for you If you are not prepared for this because this is something that I'm sure rags new and I certainly knew well before even making a video like it's It's a tough world on YouTube. You're gonna get a thicker skin as every day passes or you'll You know, you could do a lot of different things like toll biscuit gave up his comment section and his subreddit and his Twitter until they were like Curated so that he wouldn't get as bothered and everything could be filtered which again like that's fine if that's what you want to do but You know You'll get all kinds of stuff on the internet. It's rough, but we did not encourage anybody to rip him to shreds But I mean, you know He called he called wolf an asshole. He called me an idiot. He called nostalgia critic a whole bunch of things which Again just opens him up You know, you get your youtubers who are really inoffensive and they don't even talk about people ever They only talk about games or movies or whatever and you'll find that they rarely Attack, but they still will be you'll get people who it doesn't matter who you are people will people will Saving things about you. It's just the way people are especially on the internet But yes, uh, people are probably curious. What's what's the plan for today? Well, uh, we're at, you know Episode 15, which is hugely significant. It's a big number You separate it out You get one and five And you have them together that's the um the the 15th is Like like, you know, how every every like anniversaries have like a different Like a stone or a precious metal or a thing like that ours is um The 15th traditional anniversary gift is crystal and it's not Like an anniversary, but we are at the big one five the one five. Um, yeah And so if you separate it out It equals six, right? Yeah, and the most popular song 15 years ago was in the club by 50 cent That's true, too. You have to consider these things. It's very important. So You take that and then you take the you separate them out into one of five equal six You take that and then you take me and rags, which are two people. That's two You take that off the six Which is four Now you got four and what name that's a that's almost my age in dog ears. What name is four letters long Rags that's true. What other name is four letters long? um uh Adam Adam that's another one. Yeah Bill Hello everybody I was going with wolf is a four letter word. I mean Oh, yeah, what do you know? It's Look, I mean I think that Quinton is He's got some skeletons in his closet. He he doesn't like those orange people, you know I think he I think he's got a little bit of an issue with them with them oranges Well, uh, I was gonna say that's from his older days. He doesn't like people bringing up that um That moment that time Do you just make that by the way? I made this four days ago Of course you did it's the uh, it's perfect We're lucky. Quinton will never touch uh, e-fap. He's far above that. He's like joe's fans We can do anything we want and say anything we want because he won't uh, he wouldn't dare He wouldn't dare reference the fact I had a dying statement But yes, welcome back wolf. Do you know it's been 31 hours of e-fapping since you've been here? 31 hours. Yeah. I mean man considering the uh, the response to quinton. That's not really a surprise, right? That's like a third of it Me and me and rice really sorted that out Yeah I watched all the quintin one After I left Yeah, then I watched the toro one, but I couldn't finish it because he was really pissing me off Not because it was 11 hours No, I mean toro was pissing me off Oh in what way Wait, wait, you need to just like all the shitty excuses he was making for quintin. It's like we have video evidence of him constantly Taking rags out of context and misrepresenting his arguments And then you're just gonna sit here and jerk us around and not admit that he's just a piece of shit he was very uh Clearly a bit emotional because the fact is like I told you I gave him All the time stamps he needed so he could in in the same way that you do for like prosecutors and defenders in law Like you give them all the evidence beforehand so they can prepare defenses I was like, here's here's all the biggest things we're gonna hit on that. He was just like, oh, yeah I didn't check it out. I was like, no Because now it's awkward because you just have to deal with it face value I'm sorry. Someone said wolf's back bilbo baggins I like that the bilbo memes. They're still going too much. The bilbo meme has survived despite so many people having no idea what it is Yeah, it's amazing. Do you think the majority of our audience doesn't know what the bilbo meme is? I genuinely think and this allowed minority that keeps the bilbo memes alive I know of it. I'm more familiar with rhino milk though Oh, yeah, that's the popular. Well your internet died Right as the bilbo meme was being born. Yeah. Yeah, that's a shame That would have been a great We we should just cover that video on some kind of anniversary like the 800th e-fap. We'll just cover that video again And and when the both they come up people will be like, oh my god, I finally get it Maybe we can do that as the Christmas special bilbo baggins a very special shire Christmas So, uh, how are you wolf? Is there anything you want to sort of catch everyone up with or? I'm doing good. I haven't been on the internet too much late. Oh, maybe I should rephrase that I haven't been on youtube too much lately. Obviously, I haven't been on Uh, twitter or facebook, which is actually great. It's like wow the the normal world is much more peaceful When you don't have to hear about people arguing about stupid shit. No one cares about Oh, I heard the creator is sponge bob died yesterday and that's really Yeah, yeah from al s as well. I was I was curious what kills someone at 50 somethings is always At 50 something. It's usually not, you know, it's gonna be some kind of horrible disease and it's just like, uh Yeah, I was a little upset by that wouldn't have found out if he didn't send me that Uh, a tweet from shinobi About how he was like losing his mind Yeah, a little bit. He hasn't I don't I don't know if he's said anything since but uh We did we've done our best to cover that in the opening of this the seafat. There's nothing more we can do I'm afraid we'll just not cover him again. Even if he covers us because apparently it's I don't know. It just like ruins his psyche and I don't I don't particularly want to do that to him So if we'd known this in advance, we would totally have covered something else people. Okay Didn't realize that was gonna happen. I feel sorry for nostalgia critic a little bit It's stupid because it's like you you made Was it four or five videos on us? Oh, I think it was like yeah four and then update like or an I'm sorry or something Yeah, and I'm sorry that really wasn't much of an apology anyway And wasn't even warranted in the first place and on top of that I guess he had like numerous videos on nostalgia critic So I think his whole channel is like, yeah, I mean his whole channel is based on shitting on other youtubers I mean because of his videos I went and watched nostalgia critics a wrinkle in time video and it was good Well, we're covering him in future apparently for the Van Helsing thing, so that'll be interesting. Yeah, we gotta watch Van Helsing Yeah, man. Yeah, we got loads of plans. EFAP is just brimming with ideas because uh, it's booming Have you guys heard a certain handerson of the joseph variety has put out a new video that basically Spits in everything that we consider to do with our not directly. It's like he mentions us, but Nothing at all is is objective. Oh, well, he says subjectivity is implied So everything is subjective and even if it doesn't sound like it is it's it is Yeah, well, what did joseph anderson ever know when you think about art? Uh, somers not a horror game. How dare you? What? What? What? But yeah, uh, it wasn't a huge shock by the way freddy. I saw someone put a super chat and uh Wolf's channel is actually already in the description as well as I took a screenshot of of of his His pfp is gonna be in the thumbnail. So a couple of people would have found it surprising But a lot of people would have been like, why are they fucking around wolf's coming back, right? Yeah, I don't know if uh, you want to say anything else wolf before I sort of set up what we're actually here to do today Uh, yeah, sure. Let's say a couple things. Uh, I haven't really done much on youtube So i'm kind of out of the loop on a lot of things Uh, I've been watching all the e-faps though aside from quitting halfway through the tro one and uh Yeah, I've been looking at the comments and looking at the chat And it's just nice to see all the people that were like mentioning me. It's pretty Cool to me. You have been missed Yes, thank you chat. It's pretty much what e-fap is a collection of our three fan bases. I pretty much see it as anyway Yeah, we do have a lot of crossover Makes sense considering we like popped into all of each other's podcasts Let me remove adol quint from the screen real quick. It's too late. It's too late. It'll be there forever It's like when people hold their hand up to the camera It's too late, mate. Once they get you once it's over Oh, if I forgot I deleted my last profile picture. I gotta redownload it. Just go on to the other one Yeah It's nice. I think because you put my my current profile picture on the thumbnail, right? Oh, the whole that's a thing rags. I haven't talked to you about the whole water is wet thing. That's gone crazy. There's people They've started like a war about that the not only on youtube but on on twitter as well And like I keep it added with videos that explain how one side is right or how the other side at this point I'm just like, yeah, I'm good I'm backing away from this now the whole water is wet. I'm just gonna say water is a liquid from now on Someone pointed out water is a liquid. Yes on my post to joseph anderson I actually said the there's some things that are just factual like water is a liquid because I have clearly Accommodated that now into my into my language. It's there's loads of poles I've seen and they split so far down the middle. It's crazy like this. It's like a Fundamentally a semantic thing which is fine because we're gonna be doing that at one point later today with a whole different subject, but um Fascinating to watch and yeah, um, there is a question. I want to ask you Well, if that's not actually related to the water and that is we're gonna run this It's like almost like a bet but with no winning or losing Who is gonna be the most inconsistent character of episode nine? And your choices are everybody but kylo because that's the obvious one ah Who took the kylo one? No, it's that's the you can choose whatever you want except kylo because everybody would go with kylo if that was an option Just to give you an idea. We got me and uh cynic snacks went with fin Alex has gone with po and rags has gone with hux Hmm I'm gonna go with ray because she changes her personality every 11 minutes Does she from what to what? That that's the million dollar question, isn't it? She doesn't know what she wants to be so you can never really nail down what she's supposed to be Ryan johnson doesn't know what she wants. She's gonna be either Exactly. I was gonna say I would have said she doesn't change necessarily just because she's like nothing She's a nothing bigger the whole time I think so too. That's kind of how I feel but I mean, you know It could this is the thing that that could be the interesting point that may be in this one She's so radically different to the other two She's just very consistent in periods Consistent Consistently what? Consistently inconsistent. All right, some people thought I said Adolf Clinton in the chat Adolf Clinton Yeah, it's it's close. The names are the names are similar and they are kind of fascist in nature, but no Not quite fun fact about my profile picture this wolf. I actually met him Yes, I'm calling you did you get his consent? To use this imagery for your Profile picture look, he's not like Anita Sarkees, you know, okay, he allows you to take pictures of him That's beautiful. Even place tug of war. He's a fun. He's a fun wolf Yeah, I kind of wish we'd been doing this since the beginning of eFap to get all the guests takes on this but from now on we will we will ask that for every guest and uh We'll see once we all see episode nine and we'll probably have an eFap about episode nine Like it would even cover a video. We'll just talk about it I imagine and Man, it'll be fun to figure out who was right. The reason I'm going with Finn was because I'm almost certain he's going to be this like radical hero type Thanks to the end of the last Jedi and it's just going to be like Bizarre compared to everything he's been through before as well as Probably would have chosen Finn if you didn't already because I I can't nail down what they're trying to do with him Well, I think they're all really good choices because I think like hucks, for example It's funny because it depends on which hucks they're going with are they going to go with the force awakens hucks or the last Jedi hucks We'll find out Then you got Poe who what the hell is Poe going to be at the deck? Leader man, maybe Leader man, you never know with these things. You're never maybe they should just like Completely rip off what he was in X Machina since he was actually a character in that movie man. I like that movie Yeah, I like that movie too Um, but yeah, that's that mean that's that unless unless there's anything else we can talk about why we're here today Either either. Yeah. Okay. Well As many people will be aware of Practically, like I don't know the actual timeline, but it's like on the day that wolf fucking left Or went on his hiatus. I think it was like two days Afterward Eric Taksin's video came out. You may have heard of him He did a response to wolf's video on forced diversity Which many and you use we use the word response very loosely. Mm-hmm Uh, he I think it's because I think it's because he feels like without, uh, diversity hires He wouldn't ever have a job I think I know what you're getting at, but uh We'll we'll we'll delay this how we bring forth Well, I was gonna say just the setup is the uh, this is why we're covering this is the wolf's just come back And fucking that's gonna be the main thing people want you to cover. I know that um, it's been a while But let's be honest me and what rags took fucking ages to respond to a quentin and tiaro So this is this is this is expedient compared to that, you know, and um, yeah, this is like a jara genesis review You know, you got a marinade on it a little bit But then it's amazing when it comes out We we're gonna jump right into it, but he's disabled ratings and so before You know, I see you chat. I can see you go. You jumping onto the whole. Oh, what a what a coward or try to ignore criticism No, no, no, no. No, no, he's he's got a video explaining why because it's much more complicated than you may think So we're gonna check that out first and then we're gonna look at the response shield your eyes everyone. So, um Yeah, that's that's that's about it. So just let me just take down the uh Prepare thine selves. So this is the this is the video everybody's in Lion bootstraps, um I just yeah, the only thing I have to say is is everybody ready. I suppose he's gonna explain to us why he hides likes Okay, could we I like that he says why he hides likes rather than why he hides dislikes by the way I love the the first I just looking at the chat. I want to see Oof oof oof dear god Sweet a lot of sweet jesus is I know Okay, okay chat. I want to I want to hold your hand. We're gonna we're gonna do this together because we're a family So what we are looking at here is the bastardized love child of yms and freddie mercury in his late stage of aids And he's gonna tell us You know It's not a very nice. It's not a very nice thing to say about somebody with a facial disability Not to mention it's like wolf is back. Yep. Here we go. This is definitely evidence of wolf is back Yeah, so You know, I don't have any qualms with uh with criticizing his looks or anything else about him Mostly because he shit talks me a lot in his video. So you're fair game air. Um, yeah Unfortunately, he did he did Eric I want to call him Eric, but I also want to call him a rica I don't know what gender he's going for here. He's his gender. I believe his pronouns are he they I do believe that is how he likes to be referred to so Do you think that hair's real? um Because it looks really Well, I'll tell you what it does look like you buy that low quality of a wig I was gonna say that does look like the kind of thing you would buy But it might just be because he hasn't like styled it at all I don't know if you have hair that long I would have thought you'd want to do something with it as opposed to just leaving it as it is But I mean everybody's up to do whatever Just do what I did shave your head bald and grow a really big beard Then you'll be fine. And then just do kratos like me. Yeah, it's the kratos way So my friends even photo shot me as kratos I mean my hair's that long and I always I always comb it Really? Well, yeah combing and put it in a ponytail or something like uh, yeah, but and I've got like Facial hair and I trim it at the ends and I make sure that it's all in place and that it's neat looking I mean, I have people to impress in my life Man, I have to completely reevaluate the image I had of you in my head because I didn't expect the old one Oh, I'll send you a pic of me later, but I'm like anything like I used to oh, will you That's the thing like you're just hiding behind a profile picture. Bitch. I'm gorgeous Freaking not even half an hour on the e-fap where he returns and you guys are sending nudes to each other Look, it's been a while This is true. This is true. I've got a bit to release But anyway, he is going to tell us why he hides likes and dislikes And I'm not saying that if he had allowed them his wolf his video on wolf would show a bit of criticism But it's interesting that they're gone So anyway, I love that people are calling you rag in the chat I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is So I I don't know who rag is That's rag is rag. I rag is a person. I don't know. I don't know who rag is Can I be rag? And you can be the rags That could be confusing Yeah, who's it again? Oh, yeah, it was one of tiaro's editors. I guess Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is that's what I mean. It's such a weird rag apostrophe s wolf rag and skeleton wheels Is it just feels like it came out of no way with that shit? This belongs to rag Rags rag is is ragoo Raggy All right. Anyway, so Eric is going to enlighten us as to maybe why we should all hide likes, you know, is this the For his music, he doesn't hide the likes dislikes. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna discover exactly why he hides likes I want you guys to before we get into his video on me. Just just think to yourselves Why exactly who who are the kind of people you think he typically hides likes from? Well, all right nazis Absolutely Like you I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with russian 4chan bot trolls It's easy one or the other it's always one. Well, it's it's me. It's uh, he he did one on Amazing a theist he did one on paul joseph watson And you are all right and you're all fairies like that's how that works, right? All right, pjw is a furry Absolutely Yes, his first soda would be um I think I imagine my shock always has those like about to cry eyes I'm thinking a raccoon Yeah, yeah, that could work. That's a that's a weird. We haven't even started this video. We're already bored of it, but yeah Maybe when he starts talking, you know, it works. So yeah, his sona name can be joe paul's if watson paul's So Uh, you guys you guys already y'all while we are all ready y'all most of pots and Lovely. Oh, yeah, dude. Well, so if you gotta shave his head, they will compare you to a skinhead now You're a freaking you're even worse I just need to get like a tattoo on my head now a big old was rangy And then you can say no no no I converted to hinduism. This is a symbol that represents the four winds No, and then you can call racism on them I converted to kratosism Did you see that by the way not to go off topic? But they were trying to I thought you were just a faggot. They're trying to classify Islamophobia as racism somewhere. I saw it on twitter apparently like some government is trying to Treat Islamophobia as racism and what you see there there are black muslims middle eastern muslims asian muslims and white muslims So racist against every race in the world then we're all one race under Allah Yeah, I was at france sweden. I don't know you guys would probably know it in chair UK government Gonna take a jab at sweden Almost positive. It's then But to absolutely get get on get on track. Let's let's hear it from for mr. Eric. Shall we Good afternoon viewers. This is my new camera and I'm taking this opportunity to do a little vlog You know like like the normal big boy youtubers do Are you a boy or are you a girl a question? Well, did he misgender himself? Well, I did say he did say him they correct. So So big boy youtubers are hymns. I believe that is how it works. So shouldn't it be this is our new camera? If his pronoun is they shouldn't it be Do you think he has a counter? Is he saying in the background? Is he saying that's how you'd want he'd want to be referred to in the I forget what the the name is, you know, like how you could refer to rags as they if if you were like No, when is this? I don't fucking know where it's work. You kidding me? If you didn't know what my gender was We strange which is strange considering how how often I flop my big ass dick around But if you didn't know and you were still unsure I get or if you just heard the name rags You could be like, oh, I don't that's that's kind of that's kind of um It's the name androgynous name. I can go either way. So I'm just going to call rags. They until I know Ragger Is that the females in the family vision ragas rags rags is Gollum, uh, gollum hold a good day But yes, anyway, um I have been getting a lot posed in both nice and mean ways is uh, why do I hide like On my on my youtube videos Um, and why specifically the you think you don't hide likes You hide dislikes. Well, I guess he hides both of there's got to be someone out there who liked it Come on rags. Come on essays as well The likes on in the albums, but not in the essays. Well, yeah, it's it's not it's not to To get get rid of any sort of dissent that I might might end up being exposed to that All right. Yeah, that's right. Uh-huh Guys, I don't hide likes just because I don't want people to shit on me for my stupid opinions I I get the likes and the dislikes you that's still functional It's it's hiding them not disabling them as many people say it's basically the same as It's the same thing because you're the only one who would know. Well, you know why right because Uh likes and dislikes help you in seo or like at least it'll push your video However, so if he was to disable them, it would actually be detrimental to him. But if he simply hides them Then sorry, is is he pulling a bret keen because I distinctly remember his wife being like Now everyone the likes and dislikes are still enabled. You just can't film That's what that's what it's for. It's it's to get the benefits of likes and dislikes but to Remove, you know the the downside of it. He's literally doing a a bret keen. Okay Why does golf's impression of eric taxes sound like a gay hag hill? Well, you'll you'll come to understand this is this is not a very straight person. We're looking at here He might they might be sorry. I didn't want to didn't want to look at their shirt Yeah, that's an interesting shirt. But hey, you know, yeah, that's an interesting shirt Look at the color of their wall. I was about to say Their wall is there is some law here. We've got a book in the background I'm not sure what the deal is with that and then the cat. Can you see the camera? It's like tilted kind of weird in the bottom left Is that a camera? I assume it is. I don't I don't think that's a camera. I think that's um It looks like a speaker like a really small Oh, it could be a speaker. Yeah, it looks like a speaker. Maybe like the faceplate isn't on or something I can't tell what that is. I don't know either chat. Tell us what that is So we can find out the tax and the law Yeah, they're the they're the real law experts It's a metronome. Oh Oh That makes sense. You know, I remember I used to I used to um, yeah, I used to use a metronome when I played piano Before I could learn how to keep the wheel building like an adult the wheel building ferric taxes much more consistent than jarogenesis I will say that well so far, but we already we know so little. That's the thing. That's true We know this is just one angle. Who knows what's going on The one guy who makes sense of the piano One guy in the chat said god damn atheist vote box That's a deep law Look at atheist vote pots I can still see exactly how many dislikes a video gets. Um And I can get the Piffy amount of feedback that you get from that. So It's not it's not really It's not for any reason like like that like any of any of the shit lords would have you believe It's actually because um I don't think any of you really need to see that What I don't think you need to see it But it's perfectly fine to see it on his music video. It's it's not because it's not because I don't need to see it It's because you don't need to see it I just like the he's like I'm your dad. You don't need to see it. Okay. He's going along It's like Like what it means is that someone's raid is working. Like that's the feed. No, it doesn't wow. See are you all right? You're uh, uh, you we're right the raid someone's raid is working because somebody dislikes your video It's because someone raided your video and those dislikes aren't really dislikes You know what's funny is that uh after he made this video. I noticed a very high spike and dislikes on my video on force diversity Only problem is is that it has so many likes that it doesn't matter at all Also, are we supposed to really get into what is what one needs to see? Like do you really want to go there? Eric we we don't need to see what we're looking at on screen right now We didn't need to see anything from his channel. What is what does that even mean? Nobody needs to see anything on youtube unless they're you know in a situation where the video would save their lives I don't understand classic nonsense if people dislike my video if there are a lot of dislikes on my video It's not because I have shitty opinions and can't back them up. It's because I was raided by Russian Fortran alt-right bots or whatever Fortran Fortran Fortran feedback that that you get like if If it has a lot of dislikes it means your raid is working. Okay. What do you think dislikes mean on wolf's video? I got it. I got it. So it means that Every video in history is only disliked if there's a raid. Yeah, you know, rebecca blacks friday That was because it was a raid everybody actually loved that song. Oh, yeah, amazing song the trailer for battlefield five Everyone loved it. It was just a raid Yeah, call of duty infinite warfare the most disliked video on youtube everyone loved the battlefield five trailer. It was just a bunch of um russian rites activists ninja russian russian trolls ninjas from outer space Makes sense to me and I don't I don't think I need to give you that that consolation. That's that's not my responsibility You can that's so fucking he's how are we supposed to find out for ourselves if you disable Stop being able to get that information. It's just so fucking pathetic. He's just you if if something has dislikes It's because a bunch of people rated my channel and disliked it. There's not really a reason It's not because of me. It's not because of anything I said. It's not because of the agency of my audience You can't even give them the credit for that It's not I mean He can't make a bad video at this point. He's practically said yeah, I mean look raids do happen We're not saying that they're just non existent. However He's trying to say that like any Math dislikes against his videos must be a raid. But remember he has he makes music I don't really care about any of it. I don't think it sounds good. But whatever that's subjective on my part But he doesn't disable the ratings there But he's saying you don't need to know that information. Well, why do we need to know it on your music videos? Yeah Why do they can make your music videos? I guarantee you when he was if you talk to anybody about your video And it's I doubt he looks at the likes dislikes and goes those dislikes. Yeah, it's just a raid wolf's video was loved by all Like I wonder if he applies this to other content creators Probably just himself Which that makes you go he really thinks his videos would never be disliked. Are you kidding? So wolf, how did you feel when you found out that people were raiding your black panther review? I mean Clearly, I'm the second coming of hitler. So Makes sense. I thought I was quitting well Quentin's closeted he he still needs to come out a little I fucking hate trump. Anyway back to my movie review God that was such a bad segue so funny though You can find out for yourself And the other reason like if if I do get raided, you know, what happens is That that big old dislike bar it what if you're rated by somebody who likes you What what if what if h because these friends with h bomb a guy as far as I know and that guy has more than 200 000 subs I believe so if he promoted you and people raided and started liking would you be like no no no no We have to disable it because that's positive rating and that's negative information I mean you can use the same exact logic with seeing disabled ratings because when I whenever I see disabled ratings No matter the video. I immediately don't want to watch it. Yeah me too I'm the same way of comments are disabled and likes and dislikes are hidden. That's the thing you have to hide them By default they're on you have to go when you have to change that Such a weird argument more work. Besides everyone can be raided or not raided therefore Ratings mean the same was like why do you you specify that these particular? So weird everybody just lets the ratings open and they'll mean what they mean And nobody hides ratings if they're very very positive, but that will color people's impressions too. Yeah, just the way that you want so I mean it sounds like you kind of want it about the ways This is the stupid or need a Sarkeesian Method of we're we're gonna hide it so we don't get harassment. So it's that I wouldn't even raid you I wouldn't even raid you its impressions, you know like I hide it so you can you can you can make up your own I can make up my own mind with the likes and dislikes shown Does he think the Disabling ratings has no effect on someone's assumption about your video if I see that I'm like, oh Yeah, that makes me think worse of you in your video. Yeah, like it gives me a negative start to watching it, but you know Yeah, man, that's like the worst impression you can do is to hide likes and dislikes and I think disabling comments is even worse, but the number two is hiding your like and dislike ratio Oh, I want to encourage Just just a bit a bit of A bit of a conversation you're hiding the conversation. Well, what about your music ones? That's a big sense. It's a big sense Eric Eric, please Well, no, can you imagine if you went on amazon and you wanted to buy like say a new keyboard? and they hid the Five star ratings or all the star ratings. Sorry And you're like, well, is this piece of shit plastic keyboard just as good as this other $100 keyboard. Well, well, they don't want to color your perspective You have to go in with a fresh, you know a fresh mind an open mind so that when that keyboard arrives Maybe it's good. Maybe it's a piece of shit Exactly this logic doesn't work Eric If you want until it arrives, which means we're left to assume what the real reason is like I did from criticism. Let's be honest And uh, you know, it's just a fact you look at his channel And all the people that he criticizes who he hides the dislikes from It's typically people that are either right wing or someone he perceives as being right wing You know when you just Comments as well at this point considering they can be they can make someone biased, you know, where's disable everything? Oh, absolutely. If the if the logic is only I want people to go in without anything changing the conversation Like hmm Just seems odd to me I don't know how much more he's gonna add to the comments I think Forcing someone to actually verbalize their distaste For my content instead of just coming up about that. He disables or not disables But uh hides comments that he doesn't like does he think that if you take the ability away He didn't even take the ability away to do it But he thinks that if he disables the ability to see the likes and dislikes people will be forced to verbalize their perspective There's plenty of people who will go if I can't actually Make comments that I'm just gonna fucking yeah, I can't can't leave a rating. I'm just gonna leave it anyway, you know Yeah I This is like most people don't leave comments anyway, especially when it comes to Yeah, really really either way all they do is they just like dislike and be on their way Um, I see the logic that if you if you make it so that no one can see how much is liked or disliked Then they'll have no expectation going in but if you remove likes and dislikes from a video on From being visible on youtube that has way more of a stigma like you should be aware of that Oh, yeah, there's no way he doesn't know and it's not like that's a new stigma That's been around since as long as I've been on youtube And I never even if I make the worst video ever and it gets no likes I never want to be disabling ratings. That's It's a bad precedent to set Actually type it out Is is is healthy, you know, it'll it'll get it'll get the mind wheels turning So is it unhealthy to rate a video now? What about the people who are ready to get out leaving comments? And then what about the music videos? I mean, have you looked at the youtube comments section on like Any given video you're saying that the ha ha your mom gay comments are just as constructive is like leaving a like or a dislike I mean, come on dude stay consistent or at least make an attempt to stay consistent. I know that's It has nothing to do with how much hate the video gets the the the likes are hidden as soon as it goes up I I so you'd call that pre-emptive then Eric That's what that would be You're gonna have to take my word for it, but the funny games video I just put up is is very very warmly received and and the the lights are still hidden You could even do it now you could you could just be like, yeah, here's a screen I mean even a screenshot can be faked, but I mean on that one. I I I think it's kind of funny Because the the people on the other side they like to frame it late like I'm What are the oh the other side the other side you know, he's saying politics I mean maybe I just think he means normal people people on the other side. Oh, no, I'm sure for the sake of this video It's about the other side being the side that is concerned about seeing the ratings but I mean this this channel and and the the the The people that he's a part of the crowd of it's it's definitely an air of like, uh, oh, this is this is left versus right Isn't that this isn't just neutral Which is weird because everything gets turned into that I'm just saying it's an assumption I'm not saying it's true. It's just that um, that's the thing like force diversity isn't a really a left right issue Like the like tim close and left only hates force diversity It's totally a right issue. He makes his point in the video You know the video that shows about a minute of my 18 video for anyone's concerned This is only gonna last like another minute or so because he starts talking about other things So we'll We're only gonna go as far as he explains this So you can't head on for it Someone said the other side of what the wall The wall of no likes and dislikes I'm a censoring dissent But I can still see it. It's it's not for me. It's just no one else can who cares if you can see it nobody else It's like Do no one has any idea what the hell's it's received as other than if they go somehow highly doubt that he actually goes and like Pays attention to his own ratings It's not for me to be shielded from any kind of criticism because I can still see it that's exactly what you dummies You dummies, uh, you'd have to go and search it out still you'd have to go into your comments Like you've disabled the easiest way to see if people have approved of your video For face value Yeah, man. I mean that's that's immensely used for me as a content creator That's very useful information for me to have because you cannot use comments to really Be a primary judge of whether people like it or not I mean the comments in tandem with the ratio can tell you a lot That's why a joseph anderson video, for instance could have way more likes than dislikes, but the comments are very mixed That's true Yeah, there's lots of interesting things you can get from a like dislike ratio Yeah Next topic Um, well, that's it. I suppose Um, so if anyone's wondering why they can't see likes or dislikes on his video that covers wolf It's because he doesn't want people going in to decide on how they feel about it before They've seen it even though they could just look at comments anyway So I really don't get the logic and and like I said, well like we've said it's opened up on his music channel Um, oh music videos, sorry The whole thing is in channel but Well, yeah, he's got a double standard because his music isn't going to be controversial From like people don't like the music style Or they do depending on you know person to person, but that's You know that's something completely different when you're criticizing someone and you disable the likes and rating or the ratings and comments Or one or the other doesn't matter Then that shows you're a coward Well, he called you a dummy. So, uh, how do you how do you feel about that wolf? Yeah, big dummy. I feel deeply offended but Not quite as offended as having to look at him. So I guess I can let it slide Um, I figure since they're stacking up, I should jump into super chest before we get into the the main event But yeah, I've seen a lot of super chest So let's let's start with the you know, I'll read these out and take careful consideration with each one. Um, your mum gay So, uh Thank you very much. I first have a live e-fap. Excellent. Early e-fap is best e-fap Very I could see why that would be something people would want Lovey stuff more than currently working on a critique of the alien quadrilogy I was wondering what advice you'd give for new critics on youtube complicated because Everybody has a different method of breaking things down If you were like me and like to do the whole chronological thing Then um, just make sure you watch the film a couple times Look at what other people are saying and uh Redraft redraft is like my my core advice to anybody No first draft No first draft for everything Who cares about a disclaimer stop babying people like they have no agency of their own if you don't uh If you didn't tell them to directly do it, then that's that this is the internet words can't hurt you deal with it I mean That's a principle I can respect if someone said I don't tell my audience to do anything because it's on them Um, I could understand it but there is the argument of What if the disclaimer Even knocked off 5% of the hate is it not worth it to throw it out at that point? Um, what do you guys think about that? I mean I I generally I I say it because it's just so you can just say it really quick It's not like it takes up a lot of time. It doesn't cost us anything. It's kind of why we say it And it gets it in writing for if you have to defend yourself Or if you feel like you should you're gonna be like, I just I tell people not to I mean, what do you want me to do? But like it is true people don't don't do it if somebody was desperate to even use like the worst thing possible to insult Somebody they're not going to be stopped by me rags and wolf saying hey, don't go do that That's just not gonna happen. Uh, they want to do it anyway But I can respect the idea that it can help, you know, um considering the dog going wolf Oh, I feel like you missed a chance with the name every frame of pause with with pauses That's actually in my my video where I uh, where I I show this out a bit It's not it's not a uh It's not a not a pun It could be It could be we could have been cringy like that, but yeah, I feel like a couple people would be like We respect ourselves a little bit too much to do that. Uh rags is banned from twitter. Yeah, I don't know if anybody didn't know that But that's that is true Um, unfortunately, uh, I most that ban twice now I'm most I most appreciate good stories because my parents made me read the book before the adaption What most contributed to your love of good writing? Hmm Well written things I mean, it's kind of tough to explain, but I guess you'll just be like Uh, you you see a story run out where everything makes sense And you see another story that has similar elements But they just fuck something up and so you automatically just like man I would really have enjoyed that if they'd actually managed to this is like the sort of a younger version of it If you if you were a kid you'd be like That story was okay. It's just that they like why the fuck did that thing happen? Then you start to figure out that it's it's the consistency element and the um When things just happen because of the whatever the fuck is going on like like, uh, I watched the three musketeers recently pull ws anderson's one. It's like 2011 or something Man, that's like one of the best examples of fuck it. We're just gonna have some fun Nothing needs to make it. He says who cares and you said it's all filmed so like standardishly, but it stars So many actors You got like, uh, mads michelson's in it. Orlando bloom, uh, mila jovovic Uh, ray stevensson. I forget one of the other musketeers names. Um The kid who was in 310 to humor Uh, there's a there's a the musketeers themselves are famous. I was just like, how the fuck did you get all these people? For a movie that's so like and it's just like that's just how it works as long as it makes money makes money I think it actually did make a profit. Um Which is which is important Uh, you could be like why care about good writing if it doesn't make any more money than some of this badly written Sometimes less and so there's a lot. There's a lot to it. I don't know if I can uh, if either of you have any to add Matthew mcfaden Who's that Luke Evans Oh, Luke Evans, that's the one. Yeah, he's the one from um The hobbit and a couple of other stuff Oh, he was in I think he was in that Dracula untold movie. Yeah, that that fucked up. Didn't it? Oh, man, I I'm still convinced that's a comedy That's what tomatoes are not good for that movie um But yeah, I don't know. It's just you sort of create a scale in your head and then uh How else can we explain it but when me and wealth watched a house hill Hill house fuck's sake um adds some other things Stop saying it wrong the prestige or all the cornetto trilogy you get the sense of like Oh my god, this is what it means when someone puts so much effort into it This is the effect good writing could have We binged the ward of the rings trilogy and we were just gushing over it for 12 hours Um But yes, uh, it's not rags. It's rag get it right. All right, sorry rag Rags, that'll be awkward to keep if we just keep calling you rag Um, mr. Rag 31 Hours wolf. So don't worry. You only missed one. It's actually a quite amusing It makes sense Azad lives, I mean, this is completely unplanned. So I thought that they would have Been surprised some people have been saying that it's late as well on discord. I was like, this was never even mentioned lights Um Why are you closed? Welcome back. Yeah, so welcome back wolf. Hello wolf man wolf. You beautiful bastard welcome back Punished venom wolf returns that was on the power's podcast lord. Yeah, that guy um He it's one of the well I mentioned I'm going to be doing a Slight rebranding of my channel and that includes a name change And I still want to keep wolf in it And so he's been very insistent on calling me punished venom wolf I think the punished is because of the whole situation. I don't know where it's because of venom comes from Oh, I've never played middle gear solid. So I don't yeah punished wolf would be a Oh, I I assumed the venom part was because of the venom movie Oh, yeah, I kind of got that too, but I just don't know anything about melgie. So Yeah, I don't know anything about it either. So but you will be you're going by wolf now, right? The plan Yeah, the christian wolf god Yeah, well jesus wolf or Jesus Wolf for christ. I was thinking um I had a couple names floating around. I haven't chosen one yet Yeah, but I was thinking one was uh the word of wolf For two reasons one because I discuss writing mostly so word wolf. All right, we got that word of wolf supposed to be You could be like wow but also because um I think it would be hilarious to see the the patrick willams is out there that would Be like look at him. He thinks his word is truth I mean you're not calling yourself the right opinion or anything Yeah, but I think it would be well, yeah, you we could do a uh, if you get a few suggestions We could do a bit of um, you know, uh, get the public to see what they think of what they'd want Yeah, whoever stands the highest super chat with a name suggestion is Oh god, could you imagine? Well, I've already had like three aid wolf hitlers. So Aid Wolf Hitler, maybe that's not the best idea Who are you gonna? Who who what is the who's the artist? You're gonna commission to draw your new faggie wolf well All right, it's this the same guy who did all my other animations He's still around and I commissioned him to do a new profile picture So I should have that before the end of december. Oh god, you're gonna be black on you and Maybe I don't know God writes you wish a list Yeah, how dare you but no, um It's just gonna be a more standard looking logo. I'm drop like I said the The furry thing's gone. It's dust in the wind It's like the dust from Thanos snapping his fingers. Oh, so it can come back in the sequel Yeah, no, no It's like Dave Batista who doesn't come back in the sequel be a disgusting degenerate like me No It that that led to unhappy things so puritism. That's what it led to pure vision um The Jared wolf the wolf reborn. Oh, I actually like the wolf reborn that kind of harkens back to The wheel of time books and I really like that Probably won't use it just because it won't make too much sense, but that's a nice name. I like it Well, no, you could be like you could be born again wolf Because you're just veering too close to the christian wolf again, isn't it? Yeah Wolf is christ the vigilant christian wolf The vigilant wolf God Wolf we miss you also. I have no idea much. I have left but y'all deserve this. Love you all. Thank you Welcome wolf back wolf And have a great podcast brap sniff bill bong buggers. Um That's a that's a new word Buggers to you too, sir Defending wolf by jar genesis. Yeah, that that's actually have you seen that wolf? Have you got anything? Yeah, I saw that like when he first came out with it because a bunch of people sent it to me He was a good laugh. Good old jar. I can't wait to cover him again I guess that's a fair question. Are you planning on bringing your podcast back? Um Um, yeah, it'll go under a different name, but it'll still be You know the same same thing that we usually did Uh You guys should beef up dunkeys octopath video. I Have no idea what octopath is, but octopath traveler Who's donkey? Don't donkeys like a More of a like a comedian youtuber make short videos that uh can sometimes be insightful Let there be wolf Uh Is Pokemon let's go videos octopath. I'm not seeing an octopath one. Where is it? No, no, no, no I've given up What what Paul wolsef raggins Paul wolsef raggins Hmm the dog father. Hey, that actually kind of makes sense. I could just like make a note if any of these like Father works Yeah Uh wolves are the ancestors wolf's bag. I missed you so much. Welcome back. Also more to watch jarrod's video on you Love you all. Thank you. He taught me so much about film and writing I actually did uh, he said he'd like to have a beer with me sometime and I said I'm on board with that Um, who uh jarrod's he made a video Reviewing me essentially Yeah, he was asked his opinion on me and um, I don't think yeah, like he was pretty nice about me. So I was just like, yeah, man It's all good. Um You stole jarrod from me. I mean you can have him back. There's plenty of jarrod to go around That any of jarrod to go around that is true. He's a little wider than most men Um Yeah, thank you. Uh now you need to do a jarrod video with daddy being back jarrod'll riot Is gonna get one of those I imagine your new name should be yeet wolf Yeet wolf Yeet wolf needs to know that while he was gone rags changed his name to rags That's true. That is not true. Is it apostrophe there now wolf? I already know the lore Uh, wolf is back rhino milk. I'll be boys I love the memes that our community is thought of It finishes uh sin sins or j helped so helped like propagates that he kept saying he was on the podcast with us It's just like he's he's definitely gonna own the b-bot this one Uh, but yeah, I mean if we ever make a t-shirt for e-fap The first fucking design is probably going to be related to rhino milk like a rhino like kicked back against the couch wearing an e-fap shirt drinking some milk a glass of milk Yeah Um More hype for episode nine unbridled rage of the actual movie I mean it'll be fun to get all of our coverage on that that's gonna be a interesting time of next year Can't spell we fap without e-fap bilbo baggins. That's true Uh, hello there mohler. Hello. Welcome wolf is back. You guys are a major inspiration for my work I only have two subscribers and three videos besides my eric tax and response, but still thanks Interesting, I have a there's a couple people who've responded to his response to you. Um But um now we've got wolf himself taking a taking a bite get it taking a bite metaphorical response You're a wolf, so I know I can't do that No, wolf fiend Is either Jl tolkin wolfkin it could work could work. You got it. It's gonna shove it I'm not nearly as good a writer. I could never be as good a writer as tolkin I won't I won't pull a george rr martin and like steal the rr and then pretend that was good That's like your opinion Well, my opinion is his latest book was a piece of shit and I wasted money Oh, shit. He's got a lot of backlash for that, isn't he? Yeah, and you know, I don't care at all because people you know people Started a mass flagging like downvoting his Book on amazon as soon as it came out Honestly, he deserves it You can't I mean come on it has been seven years since you wrote the last book the last two actual song of ice and fire books you wrote are shit and It's like the new book isn't even good in the first bite size of standalone Like I tried to give it a chance because I was like, you know, I like I liked the night of the seven kingdoms It was a nice little read. But no, it's like reading the history textbook about fake things and it's like I don't I don't care History book about fake things Well, yeah, and that's essentially what it is. It's like it's not like the Silmarillion where there's like an actual narrative to it It's like no It's just george blabbering on about shit that we already know People have already pointed out that he like ripped entire chunks out of previous books and just inserted them Like copy pasted them into fire and blood and then Yeah, I don't know what else he was expecting Maybe if he would get off his ass stop editing these books from other people that no one cares about And actually write the winds of winter. He wouldn't have had all this backlash But you know, I remember thinking about winds of winter being out before I'd even fucking seen Uh the show yet And I remember thinking like it would be so interesting if the show manages to beat him to the end And at this point, it's like it's impossible for him to beat the show to the end to study for that close I don't think it's possible for him to get to the end That's another thing. Yeah It never ends Uh, it just goes on forever. This e-sap this e-fap is so juicy me and bilbo bag bag in Stopped milking the rhinos and look at women and looked at women to come watch Now that's a lot of memes in one go. That's that's uh It's like a a lord dump for anybody who hasn't been watching. I loved that when uh When I was watching that e-fap and they were like, who was it major lee who said that? Yeah, he said why complain about there being women when you can look at women. It's like Man, they called me the sexist Oh, he did finish it off with saying I could watch this three times and I'll get bored It's wonderful. Uh odd question. What does you guys take on musicals? Um, you better it better be a damn good musical Yeah, typically I don't like musicals. There's a couple I really do like though I can't think of any I do like. I mean, it's just not really my thing Um, I like Sweeney Todd Uh, there's there's others. I've seen I know I've liked but I can't remember the names of there's a tv show That has a musical episode that I thought was neat I think scrubs had a musical episode It's different if they are um in person Like if you're watching a play or something As opposed to them being on tv Um, but yeah, typically I find them quite distracting. You need like, uh If funnily enough like Buffy does one and it's they have a narrative purpose for it going on There's a supernatural tv show. So obviously they can do something about it, but Sometimes it can it can knock you right out because you're just like, what is this shit? Why is everyone running around dancing and singing this is weird And people like just enjoy the music and you're like Um, so it's okay when they censor other people's opinions of them and they never wrong It's just that everyone is raiding like an infestation of cockroaches Actually, yeah, thinking about it. He he simultaneously claimed that he was like I'm not even getting hate, but I disable it because of people's dislikes, which would only mean they're raiding Like, okay, I reckon room is my favorite musical This creature is an eyesore. How dare you say that wolf has already just come back Sorry Call yourself the cackling jackal The cackling jackal Yeah, sounds like it wants to be a tongue twister. It's just one way to way like Cackling jackal of something crackle Um Glad to have wolf back now I get to mix up yours and rags his voices again Is everyone dreading the new lion king? They're gonna subtly push an agenda and look up the plon characters I can feel it. It looks so fucking bad like mauler. I you know, I was I went to you and I was like, this is bad You didn't seem happy No, I was not happy because I really like the original and this one's like Like first off, it's stupid to make a live action lion king when there weren't humans in it in the first place But the art doesn't look good. I mean the animation's like fine, but I can tell you I have not seen the trailer yet But the idea I'm just like Yeah, no, and I mean not like that, but netflix announced they're doing cowboy bebop a live action Yeah, they're doing it with avatar the last airbender too. Yeah, we'll uh ER on twitter as a response to that news Had a picture of writing netflix into the death note And I was like, no, what about hillhouse? He was like, I'm sorry That's right. We have to pay We have to save it. You have to pick up all the good tv shows and run away while he kills all of netflix No, we have to save the good ones Uh, that's funny death note was good. I liked that one. Good to have the three of you back together The gang is back time for some fun. Also, this thing looks like the spouse of cousin it That's actually Adam's family completely forgot cousin it. Yeah, that's an interesting take. Um, yeah I said, what did I say? He he looks like a montipython woman I I guess we have to say like disclaimer why it's like leave him alone But again, anybody's welcome to make fun of me wolf and rags by the way Go ahead Look, I'm not saying like go harass him. I'm just saying like leave leave a nice comment telling him why he's wrong And leave a rating. Oh, and yeah, it's like Uh-huh. I just forced you to pay attention to me Excellent move cinemas in sins. Yeah, you showed us. Mm-hmm. Uh, what's your thought about black panther just being a worse version of lion king Um, is there is there a lot to connect those two films? Uh, there's a little bit I guess like the The family member taking over after the oh no because he didn't kill his dad his dad died before the movie started um, well And there's a couple like There's like a very few vague similarities But none enough to really are there lions justify them. Um, there are panthers. There are kings. I will say they're panthers That's close. All right. It's an african Did you hear about bill ma's what he said about comic books and stanley? I did and it's yeah, it's like Oh, wow bill maria. It's like I couldn't it every time I think I couldn't like you less You defy my expect you subvert my expectations. Just just wrong timing massively wrong timing It's like I used to like bill mar and then he I don't know What happened to him? I don't know if he got brain damage or something But it's like you don't shit on stanley the instant he dies People have a lot of trouble with that. Honestly, like it's when tall biscuit died Um, you get you get the standard like people who hated him already hate and I'm just like, well They're assholes, but um, uh, do you guys I come if I showed you but like Boogie was like, yeah, it's it's sad that he died also. Just want to let everyone know he threw me under the bus It was like, why no, don't do that. Not now. It was bad timing Yeah, I still get like even when I wasn't logged into my youtube account I would still get like recommendations from memeology and they would all be on boogie and it's like, oh god boogie Why are you still doing this? He says a lot of strange stuff that I'm not gonna say what it was But like memeology put out a video recently that I saw it It's just like fucking hell some of the quotes is like a public podcast boogie's talking about Some of the stuff you get up to the pka one and I was just like what the I don't know man boogie there. There's a time and a place It comes under that whole like, you know, I'm absolutely honest. I'll talk about anything It's like that sometimes you don't talk about some things. Some you know, sometimes you keep it to yourself Things Do you think a spyro ignited I love it. I played it twice already in completion That's your opinion you're gonna make a video on it Uh, probably not a standalone. I probably once I come back I'll like make a best and worst games of 2018 do the same thing with movies I've done in the past couple years and I'll throw a spyro on that list A little bit more focused on some bigger projects Well, video or not we need to know if We need to know what you think is uh, is spyro a video game in your opinion No spyro is love spyro is life Um, if you guys want to see a bad movie check out the recent robin hood movie The guards pull out riot shields and the peasants wear beanies and jacket vests despite taking place during the crusades Oh, no, is it gonna be one of those I was gonna say it's probably it's got to be on the nose, right? It's probably one of those absurdist sort of history things where it's just like having fun Is it like on par with dracula untold because that movie makes me laugh. It's been written shreds I know that much. It's got like an extremely low rating The new robin hood uh critics. It is a 17 percent on it's made of meter And 50 percent of audiences liked it. Oh, that's actually better than last jedi. That's better than last jedi That's our scale guys remember that Yeah, we need to watch um dracula untold together. Oh, you guys are gonna love it We gotta get like a uh, a list of things Ralph breaks the internet the audience score is 68 percent liked it. Oh, yeah, I heard it wasn't very good It didn't seem very good. I have I have no interest in watching it at all Which is weird because I really liked the first one. Yeah, I like the first one. I'd have to watch it again it's been a while But man, uh, this I've watched the ads for this new one and I'm like, oh No, no, I don't know. It looks like an emoji movie Yeah, a little bit. Um, it's like I saw that there was like a bunch of like advertising Frame and I was like, okay. I'm not watching it then Uh, wolf. I've missed you so much. That's a very kind one. Oh my god. Look at this one. Uh I'm sorry. You guys have to sit through watching pedo. Jesus. Here's some pity by Peter Jesus Okay, well we can we can criticize them only one let let's not call them a pedophile. Yeah, of course not No, it's just the stash. We're also not calling him Jesus Well, yeah, that's that's that's that's true Uh, I'd suggest dr. Wolf, but that's a brony youtuber Oh, yeah, dr. Wolf wouldn't really work because how would you even Plus plus, I don't think wolf as a doctor. Do you have a doctorate wolf? Um, you're a bachelor, aren't you? Is it like a no No, he's no I'm with nothing No, is can I have like a doctorate in like spyro knowledge? Does that count? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's definitely a thing Are you up on the spyro lore? Well, all the spyro lore that matters anyway, which is the first three games and then Nothing else matters who who of all the spyro characters who is uh, who's the most fuckable? Oh Well, clearly that would be alora I have no idea who that is, but I agree that's uh She is uh, she's a fawn. Yes Yeah, but just like silence to appreciate All right. Yeah. Well, I mean I could see that So we got the wolf of wall street, george link and wolf well, uh, just if They they're all came in super chasmo Have you got a list going wolf? You got to get all these up Um, you're all inspirations to me. It's my dream to be a guest on efab Do I need to make a video calling you all races to be invited on? I mean We can't really like realistically have some kind of system to get any random as on completely because It would be impossible to sort out. We've got a stacked up Amount of guests to come on that are actual like full-on youtubers who are busy as well. Like it's confusing, but Yeah, there's no even if they were away to get anybody in chat to guest on efab If we were to suggest it then we would be unable to do it from then on because we'd have too many people Trying to do it. You know, I don't know what an efficient way to do it would be other than like creating a patreon tier But I don't really want to do that How comes how come all of the dragons besides spyro are like daddies We don't need to we don't need to talk about that one Why did they make them hot? look it's Spyro just he hasn't hit that point of puberty yet to become a daddy himself So is he gonna turn into one of the other ones eventually? Um, I don't know because there's been like 11 spyro games and he doesn't age He's like ash catch him Exactly. So either everything takes place in the span of like a couple weeks or it's a very busy couple All right, you know I'm so close to the end. We're nearly there. Uh, I'm glad you're doing better. Wolf Don't let online autism bring you down. Same to more than rags. Of course. Have a good stream so That's a thumbs up right there. It's good stuff. Um It's good to have friends when it comes to annoying internet Comments to be honest Literally just sending the quote to somebody and watching them laugh at how stupid it is can make youtubers feel better So if ever you become a youtuber, make sure you have friends. They're useful. Just saying, you know exploit them, right guys winter them Um, exactly great to see you do to do stream, but dang I have to head to work I'll be sure to watch this when I get home tomorrow. It will be on moola. It'll it'll be right there waiting Uh, walled walled among the right That's supposed to be wolf among the right Wolf among the right Wolf among the right mulfo among just rights No What most aggravates you waywardness or imbecility Uh, imbecility probably imbecility. Yeah Yeah Wandering wolf. I think you saw that one. Um, hello, dr. Frankenstein I found your missing creation. Oh Poor poor Eric. Don't worry. He's got a he's got like a profile picture. We'll see in future. Um I'm not sure why he did it for this, but hey wolf among the right Uh, what do you guys think of graphic novels? Uh, I don't read too many of them, but I don't either. Yeah, I don't read them But they're neat. I'm fine with them though. I have in the past Yeah, I mean I I'm more like into Just regular comics and manga than graphic novels specifically, but I am I'm pretty indifferent to it I'm I'm mostly video game guy Uh When's the e-fap on joseph anderson happening? I am not promising anything. We're just gonna say that Who knows when that might take place Yeah, it could happen next week could happen in a couple hours. It could happen in 10 minutes But it's gonna happen because we could take Eric Jackson Yeah, and take him out to dinner. I mean, we don't not take him out like violently like Jesus. No Yeah, I mean, well, we will feed him before we beat him But so help me fucking god if he opens his trap and he says i'm vegetarian and I can't eat gluten then we're fucking How he doesn't eat he eats some kind of meat That's true. Thank you for recommending orie wolf. I'm loving it. That was from uh Glanzended I have yet to see someone who I've recommended that game to or otherwise bought it for come away disliking it I bought it. It's terrible. I hate it. Where's game ever? Yeah, I watched your recommendation video and I hate it Yeah, that was awful. Well, can't be frenzy anymore. See you guys Bye do an e-fap on jenny nickelson's tlj video. We've we'll go back We're probably gonna do a tlj one soon because we did that jenny nickelson is still a thing Oh, yeah, she her tlj video is really bad too. Uh, so it'll be interesting to cover it, but Yeah, people want to see. Oh, yeah, it's jenny nickelson. I just didn't think that she was still around I liked her video on suicide squad. I thought it was amusing. Let's go ahead and um, let's uh, Wrap up the super chance and everything you get to say that when I've literally got to read out one more Wolf of redemption. That's it Let's banter. I think I think we've been bantering about around a bit much the last couple episodes. We need to Forced are you kidding? We got through like half an hour in the other one at some point. Maybe I don't remember Now this is wolf's return. He gets to talk as much as he wants. No, shut up wolf. This is about wolf This is true I think this one of those titles where you're like, what do you mean what the fuck is force diversity? You knob you knob Um, but yeah, well, we'll break it there because there's a couple more now, but I'm just gonna I'm allowed No now before we play it before we play it I just want to draw to everyone's attention That my video on force diversity Is 18 minutes long This guy's video on In response to it is five minutes less How much of my video do you think he's genuinely going to cover? Uh 10 minutes eight minutes Eight minutes. That's uh, I already know what I can't say. Yeah I did too. I thought you were like fishing for answers. Oh Seven minutes. We'll let the chat let the chat figure it out. Oh, I'll get a few guesses from chat. Yeah Yeah, someone's already like guessed it accurately. So None of it all of it five seconds two minutes 69 minutes and we'll show how that would work Yeah, it's a well, I mean maybe if he watches my whole video like four or five times sure he slowed it down You're talking too fast Couldn't understand you wades going wolf put him out of the misery. What was the actual count? It's like Between a minute and a half and two minutes Don't know Here's the best part the bulk of it that he shows is the beginning section where I hadn't made my argument yet And I was giving a disclaimer Amazing Exactly. Yeah, so we're We're gonna Is everyone ready? Absolutely I am ready Forced diversity is a term. I've been hearing a lot. I'm not quite sure what it means But this video seems like it'll teach me what's wet. So just just off the bat forced diversity What do you guys think it means if you've never heard of it before? It's really kind of how do I it's like self-evident. It's in the words It kind of is that's the point. I was about to say like it's sort of self-evident It should be at least It is when you Forced diversity I'll just I'll just give you a scenario. Hey, I need a plumber and some fat guys like I can do the plumbing Then you go, no, I need a woman You're like, wait, why why? You're just like because it's I always get a male plumber. I want a female plumber for once and you're just like Okay, and then the plumbing company is like we're gonna have to fire you because we need to make room for female plumbers Or some weird shit and it's just like what the fuck is or or and uh inversely would be uh Hiring someone who's black And not hiring someone who's white even though the white guy is more qualified for it And this goes to anything so like it could be gender race political or religious beliefs um like the idea that If you're having a discussion on a topic you need to have everyone from every possible differentiation of human being in order to have a balanced discussion And the insanity is it's like doesn't it matter more so how good their critical thinking is or You know what they can bring to the table as opposed to what color their skin is or what sexuality they are Um, and then you get diversity is essentially the opposite of meritocracy Yeah, um, and you and it's happening in the bbc a lot, right? There's like actual, um requirements that they have x amount of different Universities on staff of different companies Yes, we're hiring for a position, but don't apply if you are white And of course this goes into a lot of arguments Uh, there's a lot of people who would argue that it's important to give people of those races of those differences A person to look up to in that job to make them think it's possible for them or whatever Which I mean we can look at uh Another example we can look at uh the witcher recently the show the witcher um I know they changed it Kind of technically but initially they were going to cast a white role as literally anything other than white Like they listed it as we're looking for someone that's not white Only fan backlash changed that but still they made a lot of characters black and indian Yeah, it's like we're redoing buffy, but she's black. They like announced that as this is it's just like What what why what Just do a different character and that's obviously the response to a lot of this and then Wolf has made a video highlighting what issues can arise from forced diversity, which is I again considering how self-evident the word is you'd think you'd be able to come up with them on your own even But apparently eric has no idea what it even means. So That's where we're starting apparently Before we're done. I'd like to know exactly what force diversity is But what I'd really like to know is what makes it different from regular diversity One's forced one isn't so like Diversity that occurs organically is fine We're hiring the best actors diversity For example hillhouse and you'll never have complete diversity by the way You'll never have every type of human in a project. That's just not gonna happen unless you fucking have a camera on earth Like you have a room with five characters. Do you think you're gonna have every human of every kind in that room? Yeah, like my favorite movie is only asians Which would be non-diverse, wouldn't it which is not diverse But it takes place in asia So and then if they were to remake that film and for some reason the government or whatever position They they make the films in we're told you have to have at least one black person one white person one But just everywhere and that could damage the film considering that had nothing to do with their intentions because it's a historical film Um, but yeah, so the you know the difference is you just make it because that's how it was made versus someone has a quota for you Um Especially non self-imposed ones, but I suppose you could self-impose it if you just like I'm gonna make a story But it has to have this this this this And if that's your focus, uh versus whatever else see Well, that was a uh nothing video, but it was pretty illuminating as well So let's analyze it in today's political climate people on both sides of the spectrum like to play word games Particularly with phrases that you should or should not support And if you do or do not support them then it automatically puts you under some derogatory label because hey who fucking cares about nuance, right? The video starts with a very bad kind of laborious. Yeah, I like this guy. He's all right Yeah, I like that guy's better. He seems like a better youtuber. He's right though He moves as well this this error person seems to be a boy scout. He's correct. He's using a picture of a much more handsome young man So It's about nuance, right? The video starts with a very long and laborious explanation as to how the dishonored wolf is actually a nuanced little centrist boy I'm not centrist. I never said I'm most interested my entire life I don't know what the boy comment is about either. I guess he just wants to condescend you as much as he can Boy With your facial hair, don't call people boys But I'm just gonna be honest with you man I'm just I know you're very proud of it and you want to be a man one day But until that time comes man, just keep yourself clean-shaven Yeah, the idea here is that he's like wolf is saying that he does not specifically follow a blah blah blah Therefore he's centrist. It's like wolf never actually said that nor did what he said Uh, specifically represent that. It's just a sort of weird takeaway But um, you we know why because it's uh, it's gonna lead into his his gotcha at the end if you remember wolf Oh, yes, it's almost like the way that he says it to is like centrism is a bad thing Like we talked about how you run a narrative in videos. Uh, this would have been something he may have put in a redraft He wants to sprinkle here and in a bit and a little bit later on that wolf is a centrist Even the wolf never claims that and then he's going to prove him wrong by the end The wolf is actually not a race a racist as said no, no, he definitely thinks i'm a racist No, he um, like wolf isn't actually a racist Oh, no, he is definitely. Oh, okay. Okay. Good. Good. He likes wolves. He hates humans He just has a problem with I guess a species or legs good to alex bad Yeah, k9 supremacy, but uh, you know, you canis lupus familiaris rags you you aren't allowed i'm homosakian We don't want any of those fearless domesticas around here. What is uh, what is skull on wheels in latin? skull on wheels skulliest non-wheeliest wheeliest scolaris wheeliest scolaris Fine don't know why you need to dedicate so much time to convince people that you're definitely not right wing What it's so interesting because of the fact that at the end of this video he confirms that you are right wing I have never in my life identified as being right wing But just just keep it by though He's criticizing you for trying to tell people at the beginning That that's your position and then later on says that you are despite all of this this effort to tell him You're not, you know, it's just like well then eric I I do want to go a little further because it shows a little bit more into my video that he just blatantly ignores what will show I will have a bit more to add to it because he does think I'm the furthest right of the three of us and i'm not even right wing Yeah, yeah, who cares if you just say everyone's right wing that disagrees with you then if you aren't a social justice warrior you're far right There's literally nothing in between Don't know why you need to dedicate so much time to convince people that you're definitely not right wing But go off I guess eventually we get to be right wing. So when I say i'm totally Yeah, sorry just to clarify it is okay to be right wing You know, you know, it's okay to be right wing. It's okay to be left wing Yeah, the real thing is that he's you know, he's obviously making an assumption that i'm right wing and that assumption is based off of Views that I have that, you know, he's the kind of person that thinks that right wing or it's our racists or nazis or fascists Even though Things well all left wingers are communists Yeah, it's the implication he puts behind the whole he's a right winger Since people that you're definitely not right wing but go off I guess eventually we get to the point So when I say i'm totally against the concept of forced diversity, I want to make it crystal Also, he's balanced this tizamy his video I've got the audio right for but whenever he plays wolf sit like is blasting my speakers for the people watching So I have to keep fucking changing it. Thanks, Eric You're bastard the point. So when I say I'm totally against the concept of forced diversity I want to make it crystal fucking clear that the mere idea of diversity is not what I would deem to be negative in any Dissernable way. I know this has taken entirely too much time to say but believe me I know that if i'm not as clear as possible people will lose their minds over this shit The difference between diversity and forced diversity is that one is natural and the other is artificial The act of forcing diversity in one form or another directly leads to an objective drop in quality There is not one single form of entertainment that forces diversity on the one being entertained that is actually good Let me explain Pause it real quick. Yeah, let me get back to that. Sorry Yeah There we go Skip three minutes of waffly bullshit. That would have been useful to discuss anyone curious. What's in those three minutes Uh, probably the fucking explanation of what he just said Yeah, and um, you know He's not going to show much more than what he's already shown and that was a disclaimer to say some very important things First off before I get into it. Um, I was showing It's not like anything to do with the contents of this video or any of the stuff that happened earlier this year but um It's a fun fact to note to that the mod I was playing Halo spv3 the guy who made that mod is the one who got me banned from twitter Which I think it's just a funny little Tidbit to think about having fun on his mods and then he ruined it the mod or ban me so But um, you avoid it and not recommended people exactly don't so um anyway The whole point of that explanation and he cuts out like the vast majority of the points I made in there particularly like the things about diversity that I'm perfectly fine with because they would completely defeat his argument um I'm very particular with the kind of language I use sometimes I don't always convey my points in the way that I want to obviously, but I try my best to be very specific with uh With the with the words that I say so that people don't misconstru my meaning And so the thing he cuts out of Or one of the things he cuts out is me explaining That I think that the people that are doing the whole force diversity thing are on the very far left And I even point out there are problems with the very far right. I outright say Or I don't say specifically but I do insiduate like yeah, I am a left winger or at least I lean more to the left than to the right But you know, that's it's a little bit too much a nuance for his video to actually uh put up But he's going under the idea that I'm Racist or sexist or that because I'm a right winger. I can't Have an objective opinion on force diversity or diversity as a whole And he's just going to continue to go with this false narrative that he's completely made up I mean, he's pulling a Quinton. Yeah, he literally is just gay Quinton Gay Quinton, sorry Gay Quinton diversity on the one being entertained that is actually good. Let me explain The problem is the forced part of it I am completely fine with any kind of character be they female black gay crippled whatever So long as they're a natural part of the character and isn't some focal point for the story For example, Ripley from the alien franchise is fucking awesome by far and away my favorite female character ever The fact that she's female has never brought to the forefront and no one ever makes it a point that because of that She's better than any other character the difference between a character like Ripley and a character like ray Is that one is a naturally implemented character and the other is not so we're already hitting a couple with roadblocks Now I love Yeah, so this this shot right here that shows these two cards one of ray one of Ripley Notice how he's not going to play most of this segment He's going to play like a few seconds of it, but he's not going to Pay any attention to most of the arguments I make this is the problem with this video is that he Only plays like a couple minutes worth of my video It's an 18 minute video when he completely Takes most of my points completely out of context or otherwise just doesn't even provide context at all It doesn't show most of my video and bases his argument off of something That's just not even there and just to to clarify for viewers How would you just say in the difference between Ripley and ray? In terms of forced diversity Why has the force I mean I My take would be that a Ripley was a character and she's played by a Female actress obviously And then there are elements to her that you could definitely There are choices she makes an action She takes that could be informed by her being female rather than male just like how That would be the same for a lot of the marines. You could probably argue the certain things they do That you could be like it's because they're the man's man You know stuff like that but ultimately the important parts of her character have nothing to do with with her gender They're all very much About what she has experienced who she is you know all the stuff that Everybody can relate to because it doesn't require that you have particular genitals while Ray doesn't have anything in terms of character and we know that um One of their goals when hiring for the force awakens was that they just I mean jj's dream was having it So that it was all asian cast but obviously you couldn't have that There's reasons I don't fucking have no idea how casting works and obviously when he said that it could have been a joke I'm not saying that's definitive, but they were definitely consumed with getting away from the whole straight white male cast Can't have that any boy, even though it's fucking aliens all over the place and star wars um So you have ray Is a female protagonist and then you have fin is is is a black protagonist and you have po is a Is po hispanic? I mean oscar isaq Something like that. I think I think I heard Bruce from I can't quite remember anymore. Um, either way It's uh, it's a very diverse cast and you know what it also is like it's completely lacking consistency or development for their characters And uh, it looks like they were focusing on that element because that was their goal rather than focusing on characters first and I imagine That's what wolf was going for that's that's my take. It's very it's if you want to sum it up And Ripley uh a woman is what she is. It's not who she is She isn't defined by the fact that she is a woman unlike ray who's defined by virtually nothing She's got nothing else Like what else is there? And it sucks because I think the However, I mean I hate to do this, but you know offense to Daisy Ridley But like so many people pick up on your acting ability Like that's not something I'm just inventing A lot of people find it very difficult to watch you because she has the same delivery for a lot of things She says I'm not saying she can't act whatsoever I'm not going to go to that extreme But um, was she chosen because she's female or was she chosen, you know, we'll never know that definitively But the goal when they were making the film was to have a diverse cast And since that wasn't going to happen naturally quote unquote from just Uh casting based on ability they had to make sure the quotas were there Like this character has to be female And it's not necessary. I really hired her because of her immense acting talent And I mean, maybe if she was directed by somebody who could You know force her to get some amazing performances and keep telling you to keep a damn mouth shut Like if they actually you can get directors who were that aggressive Uh, maybe she maybe if someone like glued her lips shut You know Kept her from having her mouth open 98 percent of the movie Yeah, and by the way just just because why not um, Eric you're welcome to come on eFap and talk about the subject Though I have no expectation. He's not going to he's not gonna want to speak to us because Do you think that somebody who hides their likes and dislikes is going to engage in a live discussion with people who disagree with them? Because like yeah, we're gonna get uh It's it's it's that I just I get the impression that we're gonna be deplorable from his perspective Um, I'm so unfortunate Someone just said what about eFap not being political We did go over this in I think it was eFap like I want to say 12 could have been earlier than that You know that it's hard not to be political for this particular video because it's based on A political stance. Yeah me wolf and rags definitely have politics And when you when you're off the cuff discussing random things politics will come up eFap is not going to be strictly non-political I don't generally like talking about politics. I mean the three of us We've only talked about politics amongst ourselves Once maybe ever And the thing is it's not like we're talking about candidates or policies, you know We're talking pretty much about I mean force diversity is something that people on the left hate and it's something that people on the right hate Is like really the only people who like that's a social justice thing is force diversity I mean, that's why sargon hates hates it. That's why paul joseph watson hates it. That's why I hate it That's why moller and wolf hate it That's why temp pool hates it. I mean it's I mean if I was writing a story and then someone told me I have to change my protagonist to female just because Whatever just be like excuse me and he just said that's still political. I just said it eFap is not not political That's not something any three of us will ever claim Uh, we're definitely going to drift into politics every once in a while a setting policy because if you set the policy of um Your project or your company must have a diverse set of people in it That is obviously setting a policy and I disagree with it. That is my politics Yeah, and ultimately we're very concerned with the quality of art that's made we're concerned with the quality of films and Movies and shows and games and this is a aspect of politics. Oh and force diversity Yeah, that impacts that and someone just said never become jail apocalypse. You are not going to catch us um Telling you to vote a certain way. Yes. I'm not going to tell you that you're a bad person and you're responsible for All these terrible horrible things and that you're an immoral person And that you should leave and that you're nothing but dollar signs to us And we're glad you're gone if you disagree with us Yeah, and as desk bullshit just pointed out he called wolf a little centrist boy. How do we not? like what he wants to do just Ignore be like well if he talks about politics, we can't address it Well, the thing is that like I said he He constantly tries to go out of his way to say that uh, I'm on the right wing And yes, there's there's an implication to that that he puts in there because you know typically who cares What side you're on if we're talking about something like a movie or a video game or many other things That eric conveniently doesn't put in his video Uh, the problem is that He wouldn't try to paint me as a right winger if he didn't have an insidious implication behind that so Yeah, they call me a centrist. No, but at the end he does make a very strong implication I will be voting for hillary clinton I uh, I didn't even watch a casey nice that video before that but I still I was like, what are you doing? I was like he got reamed from that pretty hard too. People were not happy. I was supposed to see a still up He uh, he's left it up and a lot of the comments are like this is aged horribly Yeah I can't watch casey nice that because his eyes bother me That's why I know. Yeah, he's he's got an interesting. Um, I don't know composition I'm trying to remain as not in salty as possible, but it's It's interesting I'll say but anyway carry on. Mr. Eric character in the other is not so we're already hitting a couple of roadblocks Now, I love alien, but do you think it's any coincidence that mr. Wolfe's first example of a positive from aliens? Uh, it doesn't matter. I mean, yeah, I'm okay with that What I would say though is I prefer rippling aliens to alien in terms of I agree character growth. Um But it's okay Just example of a positive use of diversity in fiction is a character that was written as gender neutral and made female at the casting stage I don't think that's a problem Yeah, I mean, what's the issue with that and I mean first off. I wasn't aware of I just liked her as a character Yeah, second I don't see what the problem is saying like isn't it a coincidence that she used to have no gender before Finit finalizing her character. I just said they've been like she had a daughter in aliens And they made that a part of the story and it wasn't forced like a point being her being having female elements It's not something wolf has a problem with Just saying she started out without uh, the intention of being female. It's like who cares It's like she was a character before agenda. Yeah, that's what I'm getting. It's like that's almost a good thing in a way Unless unless it's really important to the character say for example, you have a protagonist with a mother and father You have to cast them To match the fact of being mothers and you know what I mean like Then you're you're a little bit more trapped right fictional characters to modern gender binaries It's strange that he thinks that's just something to highlight But I can't remember if he actually makes a point on that or not Yeah, but To dial it back the the fact that he mentioned alien instead of aliens despite me showing a picture of it I I don't think that really matters in the grand scheme. I think it matters more that he just completely Uh, it takes me out of context and doesn't play. Oh, yeah He's doing way worse stuff than just that Alien, but do you think it's any get to see women in aliens coincidence? Mr. Wolf's first example of a positive use of diversity in fiction is a character that was written as gender neutral and made female at the cast Wouldn't you like gender neutrality given that you're a he they I mean, I just don't what's his problem exactly. Why is that? Yeah, I don't understand what his issue is Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry to make us pause the video again, but it's just like occurred to me like what what does it matter She's still a good character Character that was written as gender neutral and made female at the casting stage. I wonder He's also comparing her to ray from star wars. So let's see what he has to say Where Ripley was codependent on her friends ray is so independent that she lacks any ability to come off as halfway likable Her natural skill at the forest despite having no training her ability to beat a sith apprentice trained by luke skywalker and even beat Luke himself in combat her ability to get a triple kill with a single shot from the millennium falcon gun Despite never using it before becoming a better shot than a stormtrooper who had trained for years within seconds Discovering force powers. She never knew existed trying a ship. She's never flown It's just funny because it's like how the hell does stormtrooper lose that he had a rifle She had a pistol pistols are insanely hard to shoot Like people don't know just a lot of people don't understand Business are hard as hell to shoot at things. I love this while the shot where he's she like realizes he's dead He's just I kind of want to go back, but fuck. I'll leave it now. Uh, the he's just like staring off into the distance He's like, hmm, and then she goes shoot. It's like, what the fuck was he doing? Like he's supposed to be looking around for it. He's just like, hmm. This tree looks interesting It's like, what good is this harbor? I like the color of that moss I mean, yeah, it's always good to check out the moss new existed trying a ship She's never flown before fixing problems on said ship. She's never flown before which honestly isn't even an actual fix She just broke it Everything in general can be explained away because she's a woman That and because she's a gigantic Mary sue I'm gonna level with you here Power strikes back like three years ago and I thought they were boring. I'm saying this because it doesn't really matter Oh, all right by the way Eric tacks and thinks the last Jedi is the best of the Star Wars films including the OT And that the empire strikes back is worse than The last Jedi and revenge of the Sith Jesus Christ odd Choice of favorites, but it wasn't his first three it went The last Jedi revenge of the Sith then return of the Jedi Then a new hope then empire and I'm not saying because this just seems to happen Whenever we have people responding to us. We're always curious like did they love the last Jedi and it's like yes Okay, again since sins didn't uh, there are people who don't it's just interesting It's like does this have something to do with the fact that we didn't like the last Jedi? Uh, but he said he didn't even care about Star Wars to be honest, so You would have to not care about Star Wars to think the last Jedi is anything other than crap How dare you rags you uh something is Empire strikes back like three years ago, and I thought they were more I'm saying this because it doesn't really matter for the sake of argument I'm just going to assume that the force awakens is the worst movie ever made and rey is an underdeveloped blank slate Just as wolf daddy said she is so I have a question and it's important to pose this question to you specifically musky husky Flex your creative muscles. How would you fix this? How do you take rey and make her more like ripply? How does what are you fucking insane? um Hold on keep keep playing because I think that's the part where keep the answer in your brain pockets for now I'll ask again later. Yeah, well, we'll answer this one comes up later. I will answer it later Does he actually think that it would be difficult to write any sort of character into her? He's gonna be making He's gonna be making a point about he's it's not just how do you fix her? It's he's gonna I feel like it's a spoiler for this video But he's gonna be arguing whatever fix you apply to her does not change the fact that she's Forced in as diversity or not Disney confirmed that they hired people for diversity. Well, like I said, we'll get to it once he says it But for now, he just all he wants us to do chat and and us is to kind of just think of a few ideas Why you can uh, you could fix rey keep keep those ideas budding because he was gonna ask us Yeah And this is where we can stop responding to him point by point because he's done No, he's coming from his video. Okay pause it again. So three minutes and 43 seconds have gone by How much of that was my video? Like a minute maybe? Yeah, how long is my video? 18 minutes. Yeah And that's it. What is that? What does that tell you about how honest he's be? Not to mention, uh, yeah people just commented you can hear crickets and you can hear loud static That's what I was saying. I was like, is that coming from his video? It is the last jungle noise It records in a jungle That's not even the worst part. Just wait until we start getting into the video Oh god, yeah, keep an eye on the video editing folks. You'll start to see some strange Yeah, if you're an aspiring youtuber what he does on the screen Don't do it And this is where we can stop responding to him point by point because he's done making new points He's already painted himself into a corner Painted yourself into a corner get fucked wolf in his 18 minutes He doesn't make any new point any points except within that the 45 seconds or so that you played He doesn't expand on anything all for examples He didn't even play my whole disclaimer So Don't like folks. Don't do it like this. It's really disingenuous Man, that's fucked up. It's the Clinton method And before anyone says it because I don't want to construe here when I say play the full disclaimer I don't mean play it a full unadulterated thing so that people would say, you know You're a hypocrite you pause videos all the time. He can do that It's just he didn't do that. Yeah, he played like Like a small snippet of my disclaimer and made an assertion based on something that's just incorrect Let's be fair here like irrelevant parts Pausing through sections and rewinding to listen to them fully is way better than I'll only play what less than half a percent of your video Half of 10 percent. Sorry. So less than five percent Yeah, yeah, those are totally different things See that overlong intro where he goes through in laborious detail why he's actually a nuanced little centrist puppy Wasn't just there I never said he changed it up. You're a nuanced little boy before now you're a nuanced little puppy No, you really don't eat do you feel condescended yet wolf? Not at all man It's awkward coming from him. That's all I'll say Yep, especially with the fucking Boy Scout avatar and she one had liked this video Yeah, I was gonna get to that at the end. I mean it doesn't mean that when we talk about it It's very clear that she did not watch my video. So she one had thought this was a good take You can find a comment on his video and then she says do you mind taking a look at mine? Because she was obviously like clearly I said something This is wolf's video that he checked it out. Apparently he said yours doesn't say anything either It's just like oh, well if all he takes from an 18 minute video is like 45 seconds Then hers had better be pretty damn long if he's gonna get anything He's like, I was probably nothing useful in here And then you know, it's a shame because like a lot of people will watch Eric Taxman's take and be like fucking a wolf this Right Nazi idiot hates women potentially depending on all the different messages here It's like he made a fucking faulty ass video with this Of course, there is a guy there is a guy in the chat who seems to be a very big Eric fan actually. Oh, yeah Yeah, he why I Well, that's a good question. He said everyone except you guys and your fanboys liked my video Wait, I didn't know I had like somewhere around 400 000 fanboys. That's pretty neat But uh, wait, wait, wait So he's saying the only people who liked your original video are people who are biased Yeah, okay, and uh, that's fair. Okay. Yeah Just pay attention. That sounds reasonable. And if you disabled the ratings, he wouldn't be able to make that statement wolf So get fucked. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I should have just disabled the ratings, dude Just like my biggest fan Eric taxon Oh, it's part of his deflection if you haven't noticed that defensive speed never really ended He's dressed up his argument into such a delicate little package of rationality that it can't really be disagreed with But this is at a cost Uh, mr. Wolf. This isn't about diversity anymore. Yeah, that is Okay, exactly what the whole video is about the accu the claim there was that You're trying to to hide like the truth behind something, right? Was that what I was getting in there? Like your centrism. I think he's implying you're hiding behind centrism. He wasn't just there to kick everything off It's part of his deflection if you haven't noticed that defensive screed never really ended He's dressed up his argument into such a defensive deflection dressed up He's saying or he's explaining what his point is accurately Is Eric trying to say that you said over and over again That you're not a centrist, which oh, no, that you are a centrist, which isn't something you've said Uh, because you Actually really right wing. Yeah, like and that's it Is is he trying to say that your goal here was to just present a right wing idea? Hidden under a A centrist that's the implication mix of the whole video is that I'm pretending to be a centrist to hide behind To hide the fact that I'm right wing which both statements are completely incorrect If you had actually shown, you know, the whole disclaimer I made at the beginning of the video I give examples of you know, uh far left wingers doing stupid shit But then I also give examples of far right wingers stupid doing stupid shit It's funny to me because it's like it has to be nefarious, doesn't it? It can't be that you just fucking had some points to make about writing Irrespective of politics the whole point of me making that disclaimer was to prove that I'm not coming at it from some overly biased far right or far left point of view It's to show that I am self aware that there are problems with both sides because I mean, I can't even Express how many comments I've seen in the past and how many I'll definitely see in the future people saying oh, you know Liberals are a disease I'm I'm liberal so That's the point as the point of my disclaimer that you completely missed Well, not just missed you completely didn't Address it in your video. So Is this like when contra point said I'm not a nazi is what a nazi would say Pretty much. Oh, that's yeah, that's that's parroted by a lot of people and it's not necessarily Untrue, but it's also what a non nazi would say by the way Yeah, do you know what I mean like like if you go pay more or are you a nazi It's a statement that doesn't get you any closer to the truth. It's worth. It's a worthless statement Yeah, to be fair to be fair. I he doesn't like Strictly call me a nazi in this video, but there is there is a derogatory implication That he's practically accused you of trying to trick people into what your politics actually are Yeah, and obviously since he paints that in such a negative light there is uh, you know Given the stigma Against right-wingers that we've seen echoed throughout the left There is a reason why he makes this implication throughout the video Yeah, why doesn't he just talk about the diversity stuff instead of bringing your politics into it? Like why do you? Well, he's gonna he's gonna be trying to blame Like he's trying to say that wolf has a different problem and we'll seize it as a specific problem because of his politics I'm pretty sure that's the goal anyway And uh Well, yeah, we'll just let him notice that defensive screed never really ended He's dressed up his argument into such a delicate little package of rationality that it can't really be disagreed with But this is at a cost Mr. Wolf this isn't about diversity anymore. It literally is You just didn't like a movie You didn't know well first off the intro I guess I didn't I didn't just dislike a movie I didn't even just use movies as an example. I used books. I used tv shows. I used comics. I know I used video games He's he's ticking this all up to you not liking the last Jedi Well, false awakens was the example I suppose Is there a fucking stupid Yeah, I mean he did use a last Jedi throughout the video But like like I said, he has to ignore the vast majority of my points to make his Well, mr. Wolf, what is false diversity? I guess we're gonna find out Jesus christ if it could just end I could turn it if you make if you make videos Don't do this. Just wait. What's so was the the static of the the uh the crickets deliberate Because you would have just cut it out here wouldn't you maybe he made this video outside at night He's like on his computer in the fucking middle of a forest Well, this is how I do Commute with nature The quote usually goes oh, I'm a supporter of diversity as long as it isn't forced exactly. Yep. That's good moving on Yeah, I agree with that. I have no problem with diversity You're gonna refute that Eric Prince fuzzy butt over here is saying fuzzy butt. Oh, I'm a prince though Fuzzy butt I got like royalty and what I get As long as it isn't forced that's what prince fuzzy butt over here is saying diversity is a positive thing But things get dicey when the diversity is no diversity is not always a neutral thing diversity Yeah, diversity isn't positive or negative. It can be positive. Your content doesn't automatically improve by having A race in there that wasn't in there previously. That's just that's contextual as fuck It's it's almost there's a lot of things it can screw up especially historical accuracy That would be one of the biggest ones someone said I should name my channel prince fuzzy butt I have a couple questions part one. What the fuck do you mean? It's really it's really simple. You don't need to yell But yeah, it's really simple. I explained it in the first three minutes that you cut out That wasn't important when you take out the argument the argument doesn't make sense. And so he's nailed it What is the Difference between forced diversity and unforced diversity. Well, we've already been over that My whole video covered it if you if you actually watched it, you know We've I was gonna say we could explain it again, but we've done it in this podcast already. So Moving on well as it turns out just like with all art everyone has their own opinion Some people like uh name drop revenge of the dreamer speak exclusively of diversity that goes against historical record You see the writer says that there's no lead actors of color Even though that would be historically inaccurate as this piece is a historical retelling of a world war two battle Yeah, I don't even know what the the subject is but I know in fairness uses a couple examples This is the the weaker of the two but he does get to a point eventually well, I mean he's not wrong though the the the concept of Putting diversity into something can be a negative outcome when you're trying to depict reality Absolutely Yeah, but but if you're well no because not well and it depends on how you want to frame it because if you're trying to apply to history then it's I mean You're then you've set a goal And the goal is to recreate something So it's kind of it's it's a little different on that aspect instead of saying Our goal is diversity versus our goal is recreating historic Historical accuracy. You remember people are upset at Dunkirk for not having women in it enough, right? Yeah, which it's just like but But that was that was the case And so we can disin that diversity was not forced in while if the film had 50 50 men women people would be like What the hell That's not how it went down. It's like, uh, it's fine. Yes If you have diversity as an aspect of obtaining historical accuracy That is different than having your primary goal as we need to be diverse Also, let's make a historical movie by the way having completely different things having women in Dunkirk wouldn't necessarily have ruined the film but it would have Like I'm not saying, you know, it's possible, but um It would still be forced diversity because it was not natural That's not how it would have happened had you had the goal been in a historical accurate film, which is clearly what Dunkirk was going for Um, so that you know, he's already asked about what's the difference between forced and unforced like does that work as an explanation Eric or no, I don't know. Well, look, why would we have a problem with women in Dunkirk? You can look at them Yeah, you get to you get to look at women I wish Lee would come on this podcast. It'd be so embarrassing for him. It's it's like people who um The when call of duty world war two came out there were articles talking about how come there's no like queer people and transgender Soldiers and stuff like that like unironically wondering where are all the trans Soldiers and things like that and like you fucking that's you'd be forcing diversity Yeah, it's it's almost like I don't know it's not hard to follow to me. It's so simple They don't care about historical accuracy. They care more about cultural relevancy Which is not very persuasive because historical fiction is only one genre and and that's where he fucked it up Historical fiction is not historical depiction like it's you know The historical fiction is more what I would call stuff like inglorious bastards Yes I think that The media that is designed to take the ideas of a thing that did happen, but then fuck with it and do whatever they Yeah, I mean look, I like historical fiction From time to time and it depends on which one it is obviously um Also the time no one no one really cares about that if someone uh Does like you know a black world war two with or like this is historical fiction. It's like, okay, whatever As long as it's good. I'm fine with it The problem that we have like in the case of battlefield five putting like Cyborg women on the front lines. Yeah It's just spitting in the face of history and that's the issue We have with it and those those projects are not the same as something like donkeys The article about trans soldiers and call of duty. Would you like to link that? It's a polygon article that I covered if you google or um youtube my name and like call of duty world war two It should pop up You can find it yourself. You're a big boy. I've got made a video about it. You can do it Yeah It's weird that he like I don't think that's what this guy was talking about assuming that was this is the problem I don't know what his subject is if his subject was in glorious bastards that I'd be like Yeah, that's weird that you'd say that considering there's a lot of stuff that happens in that film That's completely at odds with history, but Like pretty uh well received Oh, yeah, I love him glorious bastards. Yeah They kill hitler in a movie theater. I mean, it's just like it's obviously not I mean come on People aren't like a new thing but more importantly. It's a different distinction than the one from our red rocketeer who goes but that's It's fine. Do you want to rewind that and uh, yeah, I'm gonna rewind it So this historical fiction is only one genre and also black people aren't like a new thing But more importantly, it's that doesn't even like that doesn't count to that guy or what he said Eric this doesn't look good. Okay, Eric. You're down for relevancy Which is not very persuasive and I don't even feel like I have the full context of this guy here That's what I was saying. I don't really know enough. I don't know exactly what he's yeah I don't know exactly what he's talking about what what is his subject? Is he referring to a specific time period or a movie or a piece of work? You know, it's just too out of context This historical fiction is only one genre and also black people aren't like a new thing Yeah, okay. Yeah We no one is arguing that black people are a new invented 20 years ago stupid idiots What what a disingenuous prick But oh come on rags. You standing in line at gamestop for the new black man 2000 It's a it's fucking ridiculous. It's one of those things where if someone says, oh, I'm trying to depict This event that happened in history where no black people were present and you're like, yeah, but black people existed Black people aren't new It's like it's completely Irrelevant totally Asian women fought in Norway at will war two baller. You're an educated I didn't say no women fought in will war two. It's not sort of ever said Just just fyi. I said that there wasn't 50 50 men and women in Dunkirk If I'm wrong on that I that's welcome to prove it Well, that's not very progressive of you. Yeah, I know right Black people are people are discussing when black people were invented now Thank you, Eric for opening up that discussion Onra and also black people aren't like a new thing but more importantly It's a different distinction than the one from our red Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, this Eric. Oh boy. I know this clip. Oh boy Yeah, this is a clip from my video where I point out the reason why this is forced diversity Because I don't have a problem with a transgender character being in the game But even transgender people hated this character for being hated They hated this because it was so they they said it was tokenism. They said it makes them look bad It says that it dehumanizes them and turns them into essentially a representative She literally opens up the conversation by saying something to the effect of my name used to be Stefan But now I'm Stephanie or something like that. I mean, obviously I'm paraphrasing it. But yeah, why would he it's like it's like transgender people They don't they don't just say I used to be a guy and it's like But he does this as if you needed to have seen wolf's video to get the reference Like what is he trying to sell here? We know it just because I'm aware of the controversy surrounding this character when mass effect and drama And I came out because everybody hated it even like polygon and kotaku were like, yes, this is obvious tokenism This is not the hill to die on Eric Yeah, but it's weird because it's almost like he's referring to it as if he showed us the clip But he hasn't it's just like yes This is the thing wolf said and it's just like what I don't trust you Yeah, you didn't play this clip smart enough to find out what forced diversity is is not someone I think I can trust Deep intercriticizing science fiction and fantasy Historical accuracy is only one of many grievances. He has with how things are going right now See rey is an example of forced diversity because she is explicitly written to be a ones And that is the entire focus of the character while Ripley is a better example because we actually know for a fact That she was forced diversity because JJ Abrams literally said that he did diverse So unless you're going to deny reality and man starting to flip out on these visuals too Yeah, this is when the this is when the visuals start like Well, you'll see Just because you have a button that makes the screen do a thing doesn't mean you should use it I sincerely apologize to all the people that are about to suffer severe epileptic seizures He must be doing it on purpose because nobody's this retarded. So you can't accidentally what is the goal here, Eric? Is it to Make it feel like an acid trip like why? I wish I was on acid watching this video Well, I mean you're about to see like a visual acid trip in this video And I think it's also important to note that you can have a character who the narrative Um is built around her being a woman You know if she was a suffragette or if she was trying to do something that women weren't historically allowed to do At the time or you know things of that like if you cast a suffragette as a black bad you might be like Hmm. This is a bit strange Someone said this is diversity editing No diversity is good though. First diversity is good though In natural aspects of herself induced from her personality traits She's a well-written protagonist first and foremost and again. I haven't seen the force awakens, but I'm taking We need to go back. Did he say that about did he say that about Ray? Her femaleness is incidental. No, I'm pretty sure he's talking about he said like by comparison to Ripley the entire focus of the character While Ripley is a better example because her femaleness is incidental and natural aspects of herself induced from her personality traits Yes, he's a well-written protagonist first and foremost and again I haven't seen the force awakens, but I'm taking fluff boy's word here because it helps my point But you want to disagree with it But you saw the last Jedi editing. He's even fucking tilted the film. Why? Yeah, well, I don't know if you've seen the last Jedi at this point of the video, but um, maybe Yeah, it's just I mean, I don't know how you can possibly try and refute this point if you haven't even seen the movie in question I mean, not that you would even agree because we're clear. We've got like a whole half video left Who knows what he's gonna do Also, they said they were memeing with the woman comment That's that's fine. It's hard to distinguish when I have no idea who the person is and it's said In text because there's no tone But even still Women there are there are women who fought in world war two correct in some way shape or form in different Whatever, so if someone said no woman ever fought in world war two, they would be Incorrect Yes, generally when people say women didn't fight in world war two They mean that broad sense because there were negligible numbers of women who did fight in world war two And yes, we should appreciate whatever sacrifices they may or may not have made but It's not devaluing what they did to just be truthful about what the statistics are It's awakens, but I'm taking fluff boys word here because it helps my point But meanwhile some guy called the ATZ show is pointing to Pixar's cocoa as a positive example of diversity Because it takes the setting of mexico and shows it in the most authentic way possible Extending mexican culture all throughout every square inch. What it's not diverse that video isn't diverse because it's only mexicans Yeah, I don't this is this weird as well. Why jump in over to a different channel's opinion on a different film Like it's okay Is an amazing movie and you should all see it But it is not diverse because it's only mexicans if diverse means to have Multiple races then if diverse means what its definition is Then no that is not unless you're like characters It's not a problem and there's humans and there's skeletons, but they're humans too, but Hmm, I guess yeah, it has dead people in it. So that's diverse It has it has a lot of dead mexicans on the other side of the border But still is like he like he's like wolf says that uh Ray's bad because it focuses on him being a woman and and and ripply's good because the aspects of her femaleness Are ancillary to to the core parts of a character and it's like, okay So what's he gonna say to counter then he goes now there's this other channel that says cocoa is a good example of diversity And it's like, whoa, whoa, like what are you doing? Like why are we jumping over? How's this how's this factor in back to what wolf Chose it in the most authentic way possible Extending mexican culture all throughout every square inch of the screen Mr. ATZ doesn't want characters made different races without owning that decision and having it become an integral part of the story Why are you? No, why are you implying that mexicans have to act a certain way? What does this have to do with wolf's point though? Even if this guy said something completely different Do I mean i'm like why are we how many layers are we looking at right now? Three which is just awful It's one if makes me want to look away. He likes don't do that characters made Different races without owning that decision and having it become an integral part of the story and for those of you who you But it's not because they're it's not because they are that race. It's because they are that culture Yeah, it's a result of the place that they're depicting. These are the people who are there Like do you think is the dog? Hispanic is it a hispanic dog? You know, it's like it's a character that grew up in mexico They will have they will be part of mexican culture regardless of their race Races are not nationalities Is like if i was born is like if i was born In south africa if i was born in japan I would be japanese and japanese culture would be my culture, but i would be white I mean, yeah, if the parents stayed the same as well, I guess It's kind of a thing is is it's kind of implying that if you're mexican Or sorry, if you look this way, this is your culture And the other thing of like it's creepy that he's it's always the implication It's like white is not diverse, but black is diverse. That's how it works Well, yeah, a lot of people unironically treat the word diverse as Less white people the less white people there are the more diverse it is That's why black panther was called an extremely diverse film Even though it's 95 black actors And again, why it was bad. We don't even have a problem with that or coco. That's fine Calling it diverse is weird This doesn't make sad Yeah, I think that's one thing I'd like to ask Eric if he agrees or disagrees with the statement that a film filled with one race would be diverse in terms of race I wonder if is there a contradiction there or is he fine with that? Dory I mean if you if you found a bunch of hispanic people who lived in I don't know North dakota if there are hispanic people in north dakota If there's anyone in north dakota, yeah, if there's anyone in north dakota and you plop them down In maxaco city during a diello muerto celebration Do you think they'd like know what to do like you think that They would genetically being hispanic as an ethnicity just know what you're supposed to do In that culture that isn't their own You know Is like do you think i'm a white guy? I'm a white. Um, I got german in me I don't know anything about october fest. I don't know anything. I can't I can't speak german You know stuff like that. I don't know But that's essentially what he that's the equivalent of what's being the point is being made here apparently Someone just sent me a message because they've been back and forthing with joseph on twitter about the the subjective video Apparently his conclusion is you can't call an opinion objective, but you can call it informed versus non-informed What makes sense to you guys? You can have an objective you can have an We're gonna get to that One century that's gonna be a whole different thing. Yeah, let's let's make sure eric has his time first. Yeah Actually watching this video. I want to put it this way. I want diversity Why but I want it to be quality material And not just like baiting people with token characters earlier this year We call latin lover came out and it had box office success It had latins in it, but the whole thing was geared on the lowest jokes possible They're pretty much just summed up to ha ha he got he got hit with a tortilla and you know, i'm mexican and i It just looks like stereotype jokes that are relatively bottom of the barrel writing As for like is it is it tokenism? I don't I think that's what they're going for how to be a latin lover. Is that the name of the film? Yeah, in that case they're clearly They aiming to have a a silly Yeah, you could have good natured like uh ethnic humor. You call homo homo is an example of this, but for american Every media movie Yeah, that too, uh, I don't Because that's another thing apparently Because I did look at the comments section They were like what what wolf calls forced diversity is actually called tokenism and it's the idea that South park illustrates it perfectly there's They have the entire school is like filled with white children and then you have token comes in and he's the black kid it's like The idea that you bring in another race as the as the token of being like, you know There's people who are well Lelishly referred to app a bed or friggy as our token right because we get to be like hey We're not racist if there are just it's obviously a joke But the that's what people are accusing forced diversity of which I think is I think that's two different things um, you can force If you bring in one and they don't actually do anything in the story. They practically just stand there Uh as opposed to ray who's basically the protagonist You know, it's complicated. I think there's a bit more nuance to it But even if it were the same thing it wouldn't make um It wouldn't change wolf's points if they thought of it as the exact same, uh idea similarities um Yeah, I spoke I was thinking about it. I guess because if you did shove One like a black character into an old white cast and they didn't even Do anything, uh, you could be like although I was trying to force diversity. I just I would just it's so incompetent That um, I I would actually prefer referring to it as tokenism because it's like yeah, you just brought it to token And that applies both ways to any whatever you're up to if you if you introduce a character that has nothing and no reason other than They're identified purely by Something like their sexuality like their race like whatever else it is The kind of writing that's just like oh Someone said are you saying oppa and for me? Don't do anything or contribute to the efat plot No, the only reason we have them around is just so that we can say see we don't hate brown people We have green friends Uh, yeah, we have green friends How many green friends do you have? Yeah, Fringy usually expects people to assume that he's white as well, which is kind of interesting They'd think he was I thought so too that he just mentioned it was like oh, I thought all right I never I I thought I could go either way. I had no idea. He's tall too He's And I guess like really he's six five He's like tall something like that. He can correct you later, but he's he mentioned the like his height ones And I know it started with a six I like damn Well, okay, I guess I I guess I'm looking up at the tall green man got it And you know what it's not forced diversity in in the efap writing the efap episodes because they they were just They just happened to be people we knew So, uh, it's completely natural right here. The efap writing team is is natural We have organic diversity on efap the efap writing team. They're great Well, Jared Genesis is the chief editor of efap writing like it's doing a really great job You know, how do he knows how to pick them? They, uh, you know, you got a lot of people invested Yeah, everybody we've covered on efap. They usually are writing team. They become a part of the writing team once we've covered them It's a very strange system, but it just it keeps it keeps it fresh, you know Yeah, you know if you went up to Jared and asked, hey, what do you think of efap? He'd be like, they did it. Okay the way that they did it Oh, Jared. Yeah, I don't know see there's a lot to talk about with with what's being covered here But it's just so brief and we can only really go with whatever Uh, conclusion Eric makes from these clips, I guess I'm up to ha ha he got he got hit with a tortilla and you know, I'm Mexican and I eat tortillas Here's all my money. See like I actually have a Mexican sitting each other with tortillas. It's kind of funny Ah, this is the thing like what what's the problem? Are you saying it's bad because It doesn't represent a fully fledged character. I'd be like, well, what do you think they were doing? Do you think they were trying to present a fully fledged how they're trying to make jokes out of stereotypes? Yeah, they're just trying to make people laugh because people hitting each other with tortillas Homer Simpson Is one of the most classic examples of an American stereotype. He's the stupid guy He is so bigoted and racist. He just makes all yellow people look bad. Exactly But yeah, like, uh, I wonder because I haven't seen this film, but I wonder if there are Latin Latina characters who are actually You know not stereotypes in this film Someone said I took a vacation and stayed in the sun too long. So I turned black That's how it happens. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess because the wolf is black now interesting Crispy baldy You know, I'm Mexican and I eat tortillas. Here's all my money. See like I actually agree with this guy I like him a lot. WTF. I hate forced diversity now. Anyways, the ATZ man. Wait, what? Okay Okay, so was that a joke? Was a I don't know I don't know because the ATZ show what he said made sense Well, yeah, you definitely see the the why you would be frustrated with if you wanted a latina character And then they just introduced the stereotype. That's absolutely gonna be annoying Because the way that the ATZ show was talking about diversity was pretty much just variety in a medium He's like not everything's the same, you know, it just spices it up because it's different It's a different setting and different people But he doesn't want it to be forced for its own sake He wants that to be natural and organic and that's fine that I agree I have is he about to turn this around though. I really can't remember anymore I don't know this guy while you while you discuss it amongst yourselves Let me use the loo and grab a beer because I need alcohol I'll I'll read some slumber chats. Uh, slumber slumber chat Ralph's avid Ralph rags avatar. It looks like he saw me drop the soap. Oh Beautiful way to start these remember when Dunkirk movie came out And some people attacked it for not having a diverse cast for a historical event. Yeah, that's obviously what we were referencing Well, if he called you a boy, don't you see how offensive that is? Yeah, wolf boy boy, what you credit card number so wolf don't die That I think you might be uh referencing have you have you seen the videos of uh attention all halo gamers or attention all dark souls gamers I think I sent you one Uh, I think yeah, I have a vague memory of that. Yeah, it's like some old dude on fiverr who like Like pretend like makes joking videos. Uh, he's not on fiverr anymore. I think he got banned um He made videos like attention all halo gamer Noble six is alive and he needs your credit card number the three digit code on the back in the expiration date So you can save him and it's just funny. So I think he might be Think he might be referencing that if not, well I'm stupid, but No, well I'm going to interpret it as that. Um, I'm moderate and I approve wolf is not moderate Well, there you go, uh Is when they have a strong female character instead of having a strong character that is female Or when the race gender becomes more important than the writing the right for the character Yeah, though, though If you're gonna sell them based on the fact that your character is female alone. It's just like what That's fine. Why what does that have to do with anything? It's like That's the we've written 90 of the character already because she's female. It's like, uh Welcome back wolf. We missed you man. Good to have you back I'm assuming this 25 all goes to more But I hope the three of you can somehow share like good little boy is going to go play with my dangus in the shower now What a way to Um Yeah, um I'll I'll buy wolf a game on steam at some point to somehow Oh, that's nice flush that through uh, eric the straw man a ranger taxon It's you know, you can definitely go there. Uh Ripley is the character first and the female second rey is the female first in the character Well, maybe an episode nine. It's like, yeah, she'll finally be a character. Hopefully, um Welcome back wolf Take muddy This this doesn't go to wolf guys if you if you want to donate to wolf you have to wait for him to Do a stream I guess or have you got like a paypal into you you use? I'm not going to ask people for money And I mean if they want to donate to me if I like actually make something that's one thing But I I don't like asking for money and I didn't even want to I didn't even want to promote my old patreon because I was like that Just seems shitty Make a video and then do it as much as you want and don't forget skill share audible skills All of the things Ray is a force dumpster To celebrate diversity you freaking stereotype Ray is clearly an avatar for kathleen kennedy a brunette girl like both leads for solo and rogue one just like k kray Possibly Can't wait for episode nine reveals that rey is so bland because she's just a manifestation of the force And then all the apologists flip and start praising how bland a character rey is I mean, I'm I'm interested to see what if if he's got any plans like that because what do you do with rey at episode died, you know I love politics. I love democracy. I love odds. Yes. Love the bull What are you gonna say? Oh, what about parents is that that alien from the force awakens that sold her or she sold shit too? Oh Is that your daddy has a name Yeah, I don't even know why I know that but his name is on car plot No, I'm pretty sure she says his name when they're talking about the compressor I haven't seen the movie in a while, but that guy and the spaceship that flew away. It's a separation Snacks give him up rags as a copy to stream He called him a boy Hitler is an example of forced diversity. I'm not sure I understand that exactly The metro games made me centrist because shooting both nazis and commies just felt right. Well, hey popo was a great guy At least you get to see women and aliens. That's true Very true. There's plenty of good female characters where being a woman is central to the character, but none of these Land rays are allowed to be feminine either beyond being just simply being a woman. Yeah, I mean What like what you know, like how you got uh Ripley's got like a nurturing Sort of motherly attitude towards newt. It's like Yeah, I'm gonna mention in my video that eric did Yeah, eric didn't cover that fuck that he's he's that that would get in the way. We'll cover that but uh What this is the problem? It's like what what about ray blah blah? It's like every time you ask that question It's like there's nothing to grasp about ray So yeah, the answer that question is just nothing again. Um And plus nowadays look at it this way whenever something is um, whenever you have a female character And there's some sort of a flaw with her Or she's portrayed as stupid or any other negative aspect that's called sexist and you're not allowed to do that That's a very negative stereotype of women and you can't share that in expensive But with men men could be fucking stupid and retarded and idiotic and selfish and cruel and mean You can make a man anything you want. Nobody will bat an eye That's because they are selfish cruel and mean. Look at you two. I mean, that's why that's why I fuck them Uh remember the black actress who played anbelin I do not know of that one Who anbelin is for uh, that's a henry the eighth thing, isn't it? No, that's that's probably what they're referencing I I don't know the movie or tv show or project that that happened though I've never heard that name before in my life. Wow. You don't know your fucking history wolf god A wolf. Yes. We missed you muzzle tov. Look. I am. How are you doing? Good man He said buy a beer Uh, thank you for calling the bf5 nonsense a lot of youtubers tiptoed around it Yeah, I mean a lot of people covered it from what I remember, but I know that there were a lot of people like making a lot of videos on it There's a lot of people who didn't want to Have a take on it though, right? They were just like, yeah Yeah, the people, you know the boogies that don't have opinions Well, I think there was a controversy about like how a lot of channels that are basically thriving thanks to battlefield games We're avoiding talking about that aspect. They were just like, I just want to play the fucking game Okay, I just want to cover the fucking game and go on with my life I don't know. It's kind of like the people that are playing black ops 4 Even though it's like an awful terrible horrible game, but it's like, oh, yeah No It's bad I've not played it Um, I wish I didn't play it Great to see you back on wolf on battlefield 5 a youtuber named american krogan went through the campaign and pointed out all the Diversity manipulations like replacing an entire Norwegian squad Yeah, I really like that video. Yeah, that was a good video american krogan is uh, he makes some good stuff He pops up every once in a while. I like his stuff for the most part I should check that out, uh If patrick just right and quint and band together to create an anti efap, what would they name themselves? My money's on evolved critics also high wolf, uh, I'd want it to be a reverse of efap, so I guess paffy Paph sounds just pathetic enough doesn't it Fucking paph Is you can fucking egregious is your cup for getting wolf back Also, someone needs to introduce diversity fanatics to international cinema Yeah, that's something that they don't like to acknowledge is the bollywood and a lot of cinema in asia will be Very non-diverse, but that doesn't matter I don't know if does the argument evolve into black panther is diverse because when you drop black panther into all of american cinema It now has we now as a result have more black people in cinema. Do you know what I mean? If you use the same logic then every film that has nothing but white people is very diverse because whites are a minority on the planet Yeah, and not to mention that that's a bit reductionist to only consider american cinema versus bollywood and and Uh glad you back wolf. I missed you. Thank god. Emperor wolf is back. So this is how media dies with thunderous fapping Someone commented after that saying not my most thunderous fap Rag I hate people who eat in video slash streams. Zzzz I mean, it's okay. I was doing it for the purpose of being obnoxious so that all of so only the real fans would stay I saw the trailer for mary queen of scott's and there was a black guy in the english court Would this be forced diversity since it's based on history? If if there was if there was a black guy there historically, then I have no problem with it Yeah, I would need to know more about uh, yeah, even though I do however I doubt that sir lance a lot was a black guy So, you know, it depends on how you do it. I mean if somebody was black historically or if it makes sense That there would be a black guy there Then yeah go for it. Absolutely But if you're going to try and portray a historical setting, I really value accuracy It helps with the immersion a great deal for me and I don't think that you should just throw in stuff Especially because depending on how serious you try and pass it off It crosses the lines into historical revisionism Dude, are you kidding? Lancelot was totally black. Yeah, he always at the round table He was always like yo nega paseth that wheat if you guys would even there Passive the herb God passive the devil's lettuce Angry joe demonized those who had issues on with battlefield 5 calling them maga hat wearing trump supporters and called them all Sjw insult in the book. Oh, I remember that rags made a video on that It was the last video he ever made before he died Correct, and it was it was not monetized. So hooray. Thanks. You too. I didn't work out anything. Uh, it's not the like You have to have an issue with what the guy said It's just the idea that if you reviewed the game and say like you should buy it It's quality like downward thrust did that Then you should expect people in the comments section to rip you a new one because they're like Have you fucking seen what they've said to their fan base? And someone asked they expect the advocates for the for the covering the game to to stick up for the fan base You you probably understand what I mean by that Well, the the idea is that ea decided to inject politics and diversity messages and social justice stuff into the game So it's not fair if you Demand reviewers not cover that You can't I mean you can't just have it one way where the company can say yeah We're doing all this stuff in the game and reviewers aren't allowed to cover that in the review of it Like it's clearly an aspect of the game that ea put in so it should be reviewed and commented on it's part It's part of the game. It was made a part of the game And the last one is uh, have you guys ever noticed that red letter media despite Consistently shitting on the obsession of nostalgia and film are in fact nostalgia obsessed themselves um I mean if I was to be specific, I don't know they they they usually have a problem with the arbitrary references like fan service or Reigniting an old good thing into a new bad thing But uh, they do reference, you know, a lot of their old stuff as an example of stuff that was better. I don't know if I don't know if I'd say I'm assuming you're trying to point out a bit of a hypocrisy I'd probably need a bit more detail before I would agree I mean we kind of do the same thing a lot a lot of our favorite things are from long ago rather than new Then we will also claim that we hate the shit out of things getting rebooted and re redone so Yeah, um watch red letter media. So I don't know anything about it I mean Seems fine to me like seems consistent to me is what I was saying. Anyway, let's continue with Eric A lot wtf. I hate forced diversity now Anyways, the atz man revenge of the dreamer and notices bugle all have different ideas for what constitutes a That was a joke. I don't even I don't I don't what was the joke. I don't know It might be an insider notice is bold Oh And then that was the sound of a bugle so the dreamer Okay, that's very notices bugle. I'll have different ideas for what because he had the owo thing On his face for a second there constitutes a forced diversity. This is because art is cool like that We all get to bring our own opinions to the table, but I'd like everyone to be honest Who isn't being honest Let's see. I don't like the structure of this It's like presents wolf's opinion on two characters in one film versus another one And then this guy's opinion On how you should have historical Structure accuracy then this guy's opinion on cocoa And how that does or does not count as diversity compared to a film about a latin Latina stereotype And then he says and everyone's allowed their own opinion But I want them to be honest and you're just like, which one are we What are you? Yeah, which which one's dishonest which are they all three is implying that they're all three liars I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out hopefully I don't just like that. He's the one calling me dishonest when he deliberately took out like the vast majority of my video. Yeah Also, this is uh, this is I remember this shit. This is the voice of h bob a guy people Oh god In short diversity should not be your first priority and nor should any other political message a few examples Hiring for diversity instead of competence Building a bridge to make a political point about borders instead of building it for structural integrity and usefulness Creating an animation so you can put Furries in it rather than creating an animation to tell a compelling story the general principle If anything, but quality is your primary goal your work will sell. Yeah, that makes sense I love the way they paint this comment. It's like a monster Yeah, like this this comment makes a lot of sense And if we all adhered to these rules when we were making things then our work would all get better Yeah, guys imagine if tolking was more More concerned with dwarf representation and lord of the rings And actually telling a good story the part that gets me like Is the isn't isn't this self-evident the if anything but quality is your primary goal Your work will suffer i.e. lose quality if anything but quality is your primary goal You will lose quality Yeah, I mean that What I I really hope he expands on this because this seems like a very sensible comment Especially the hiring for diversity instead of competence. Is that deniable? Is that even possible deny when the goal is like Like yeah, you might be the best for the job, but you know She's black. So we're gonna hire her also. She's she's a black woman. So we're gonna hire her because it's diverse She's gonna be playing golem at the deal Like what even even though you work harder for it and you're more You're more suited for the job more qualified You unfortunately are not as woman or black as she is So We are going to hire her even though she wouldn't do as good of a job Can you imagine just can you just imagine reading this comment and thinking bad? Like I don't get it. What part of this comment is I hope they elaborate on what Common yeah, I guess we'll find out I like how you still calling them they part two Who the fuck oh, they're not even going They're not even clearly. I'm feeling you What's with the spurging genuinely? Yeah, why are you yelling out? the fuck Who the fuck so what was wrong with that comment? That comment made total sense. I guess we'll find out but also Structure man You presented three different peoples three different arguments across three different things that you said I want you to be honest then have this whole comment and now you're saying who the fuck do you think it who are you talking to everyone? I don't know God damn it. Eric. I want to I want to help you man Just give me a part two. Who the fuck do you think you're fooling? I could just picture him recording that and he's like I hope the parents are out How many takes did he take is like stop yelling in there, Eric? At the computer box. It can't hear you Mr. Wolf have you flexed your creative muscles yet? I don't know where you are But there's a small chance that you're like two hours into a stream with your friends and you have Oh, let's see how far we are two hours and 42 minutes We're close into three hours. Sorry. Fucked Eric. You fucked it up completely. Yeah, you suck God you need to guess it right Eric. Good job. The best part is this isn't even the first time he mentions this show Oh, yeah, he's very meta. He's very self-aware Unfortunately, he thought this would work well some reason that I don't know He's welcome to come on and defend his shitty fucking video Have an audience watching so if you don't mind, please take a second to pause the video and tell us your better version of ray Okay, well now that's the part where we take it one at a time who wants to go first Rags you want to go? Let me see How would I make ray a better character? Well, I would start from the very beginning Maybe I instead of having her parents The the issue of her parents be shrugged off like that, you know where she accepts it I think a lot of it has to do the acting honestly They have less like we let's like let's pretend we can get like a great actress Yeah, and what we need to have the writing down If we don't want to get complicated Then we could keep the structure of what they have in the force awakens where her yearning for belonging Right from her parents is shifted for is shifted towards the resistance as being her family and the people who care about her The problem is that daisy ridley does such a terrible job acting in the film That that potential idea isn't really going to be realized when the audience looks at it And so it's going to be passed off because it's just so easily shifted away from and we don't see any difference between her before You know when she's looking for her parents and afterwards when she finds Belonging in the resistance even though she doesn't really even have any point to be in the resistance They need to expand upon that point because right now in the movie It's a reasonable thing to ask why exactly is she part of the resistance? Why does she hate the first order so much? There's no reason for her to even be here All right, I think for Or sorry, you can now I go ahead go ahead. Oh, okay um So for me, I would try to like Make a solid like solidify her character in a way that actually makes sense Because if you notice it's more of a problem with the awakens, but it does kind of Trickle into the last Jedi a bit I'll start off at the beginning with her character development or rather lack thereof If you notice throughout the force awakens. Lyle mcdouch bag points us out a lot in his video on it She changes her mood and personality all the time. Sometimes she's all wondrous and like Explore wants to explore the world other times. She's like, I hate everyone I want you all to leave me alone stupid droid go away two seconds later. I'm gonna be your mother Poor little droid come with me. We're gonna we're gonna have a little fun chat I think she just lacks any solid motivations for anything she does. She doesn't have Really anything going for her character wise I mean that's that kind of applies to all the characters, but We're just talking about rei in this instance We really need to solidify why she would Feel the desire to help anyone Or do anything why she would care about kylo ren why she would care about Han solo where luke who she didn't even believe existed like However many days before That's where I would start Yeah, my question would be can I do this from the ground up or am I forced to use not only the actress But basically the same structure I could only change maybe dialogue and histories and stuff and you'd be like, hmm Well, at best then I can only Hope to improve. I still think it would be it's it's kind of It's it's hopeless in the eye if I had my choice I would just undo All of the sequel trilogy and change it all like go to completely different radical direction But if it's a question of I don't know how I'd improve her just make a simple setup and pay off about her character and allowing her to grow For instance, she has no shits to give about the republic yet. She somehow does in the film I would I would definitely need to make a reason for that Give a reason to be invested in it Really focus on her and Han instead of I don't know Just cut as much time as you can to push as much time as you can with those two Connecting and make her I know it sounds cliche. I was like give it some goddamn flaws. Make her Wrong every once in a while make her angry And make her too emotional Yeah, it's a bounce off of that like give her a reason for being able to use the forces proficiently as she does I would just yeah, I genuinely would reduce her force power by like To a tenth of what she has at most if it were me Yeah, make it really shit and even have it, you know when she's eating her food and stuff You could you could just try and drop hints that She she's trying to she'd notice something a broom boy They're trying to argue that he would just figure out that he has the force by accident But it's nothing impressive if all you can do is grab a broom Maybe have that set up with her a little bit Just just have it focusing on like a pebble or something see it move a little bit But we don't know if it was the force or the breeze And then it would be so easy to show that in the film in Growing up on Jakku where she's having a desperate moment or she's angry or you know She's lashing out at something and she loses control and a little force comes out and she notices it And so she tries to tap into the potential of it Yeah, uh and all these suggestions Would still be on the assumption that we've been told our protagonist has to be female Let's mention all these assumptions have been echoed throughout the star community since the force awakens came out so And all I was saying was like do we want to try and make something this intrinsic to her being female? Is that a part of her requirements too because I don't really know I mean that would have to depend on the situation. She's because I mean uh For example Ripley She her Femaleness her motherly Instincts kind of kicked in around aliens when newt became a character to and they did set up with the who Natural daughter had died of old age at that point. She was in cryosleep. Yeah. Yeah, which is great I alluded a little bit to it with the cat too Yeah, yeah, there's nothing this it's not um, not so much obviously, but you know um So yeah, so a follow-up question to this then would be um, can you have force diversity plus good writing? Is that possible? It's possible if the writer is good Yeah, it's absolutely possible But that doesn't erase the fact that it is force diversity, but the the bigger thing here is that Can any of the three of us think of a single example where force diversity resulted in good writing? Because that's the point I was making in my video. It's not that Of course, I thought it was possible totally incapable because they never would have been a good character because of force diversity It would have been because of good writing Do I mean exactly? So yeah, force diversity just doesn't result in anything but forced diversity and then yeah, that's the point The only argument I think that you could make It's a terrible one, but the only argument I think you could make on that side is that well Because of our inclusion policy and diversity policy We picked this actor who otherwise wouldn't have gotten a shot And as a result it turns out they were a pretty good actor Yeah, uh, you could and you could be like we brought in a um a female black writer just because we've had straight white Writers this whole time turns out. She's an amazing writer. So the force diversity actually Didn't have a problem, but this is the thing But that's just playing the lottery the whole thing is force diversity has the potential to where you get lucky You take a selection of playing the lottery You take a selection of people and you choose the best writer you get the best writer If you choose the the black female you might get the best writer You also might get the worst writer. We have no idea Because you've not chosen on that criteria, which is is um, that's why it's a complicated thing And I'm just saying from the perspective of many artists. You do not want to force them To make the stories as you think are politically correct or better for Freedom is what artists need is kind of what I'm getting out here. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with that Here's the problem that eric and anyone that agrees with him Completely missed to the point of my video is I wasn't arguing that force diverse I mean, yes, I don't think force diversity should ever be a thing And I wasn't arguing that force diversity never absolutely never results in A good writing because you can have a good writer that forced in a diverse character just for the sake of diversity I can't think of any examples. I I'm perfectly willing to say that sure. There may be one out there I don't I can't think of any off the top of my head But the problem is that how many pieces of media be they or Entertainment in general be they Movies video games books comics tv shows how many that force diversity are actually good You know, are they good because of it or are they good despite it? Yeah, someone pointed out in the chat Morgan Freeman in the Shawshank redemption in the book he was white Part partly you can shock that up to the fact that it's actually really accurate to the book and it's Pretty difficult to go wrong with Stephen King. So I mean Well, that same director did make the mist. So I guess there there is that cool monsters Yeah, not really much else um, but anyway, they're He didn't really differentiate from that character. It just made him black So I you can kind of shock that up to okay. Well, they just follow the source material aside from the skin color of that one character And Morgan Freeman's name carries a lot of weight to it, especially when it comes to box office stuff Yeah, because he was the only real big actor in that movie, wasn't he? And it's like it's about the precedent as opposed to the definitive results Because it's not like we can predict every single time every single scenario. It'll always be bad It's just not a good place to start. There's no as that comment pointed out that they practically sold as basically being from satan um Matt Damon in that chinese movie. Yeah, I forget what that was called the great maximum overdrive Yeah, that was a bad movie I'm trying to like oh, you know, awesome. Someone said a relevant example would be phasma Yeah, she's in there because she's you had those like you had those interviews where sexualized character She's a woman, but she's strong and so she's female villain the first female villain in star wars guys She's got four minutes in both movies, but she died twice. Yeah, and this is the thing She's a pitiful character and she's only there because they wanted a woman there That she's there because they wanted to sell toys That's I mean like I said JJ Abrams already admitted that he did diversity hires now What Eric is going to say after what once we start playing the video again He's trying to back us into a corner and say Someone in the chat pointed out. He's basically trying to say if you can't write a better version of ray you don't have a Like to stand on but he does point out it doesn't make it Is it forced diversity still and the answer is yes because JJ Abrams hired based on diversity not on talent So it's still forced diversity, but as we said you can theoretically have A well-written Story with forced diversity. It's just very rare if it ever happens at all and it wouldn't be a result of the diversity It would be a result of lucking out about that person's talent Yeah, or just having a good source material to back up. Yeah, sometimes when you gamble you win and usually you lose Someone did point out Maximum overdrive in the chat when I said it's hard to go wrong with Stephen King. I never said it's impossible to go wrong And plus on the morgan freeman thing morgan freeman's a good actor Oh, he's an excellent actor It probably didn't have anything to do with the fact he was black. He's just he's morgan freeman. He's a good actor It's like let's get this guy that everyone in the world love And yes, it is still technically forced diversity, but again it's already based off of an incredible story itself and Like we said morgan freeman's an amazing actor So and you could argue it was in spite of forced diversity in that they lucked out as we've gone over But it's morgan freeman. So they knew what they were they were doing, right? They didn't just hire a random black actor that they hoped to that was good Like morgan freeman at that point would have had was that I don't know about it The morgan freeman's career exactly, but i'm not sure how much he had done up to that point So i'm gonna chat saying if you can see that people of color are disadvantaged Why wouldn't you want to hire people of color? They're just powerless and there should be no attempts to help them Well, maybe the difference between you and me is that I don't think so little of people of color But I don't think they can't earn things I think we didn't we have a black president in america at one point. Yeah, didn't we? Yeah, we elected obama twice. He was only half black. So he doesn't count How many successful black actors are there before any of this stuff was even discussed? Yeah, this is a ridiculous thing to say Black people can be disadvantaged especially in terms of you know in common all that stuff, but I mean what about all of what about all of the white actors To mention someone pointed out in the chat morgan freeman has in the past Spoken out against political correctness in labeling and identity politics. So that's true And yeah, I'm just gonna say isn't to be racist in the opposite direction until you get the results You claim to want and then you'll just magically stop being racist now Is it a matter of numbers by the way? So what about all of the good white actors that are powerless to get the jobs they want Or what about the good white actors that are booted out of their chance because of diversity? Oh, no nobody out there. There's no out There's no outcry out there to reduce the amount of black players in the nfl in the nba so that it's there's equal representation Yeah, and it's just the principle this is based on is just not sound to me The idea is like the less black people we see in films the more we have to hire them. It's like That doesn't seem right at all It's like i'm fully i'm fully of the opinion that if an actor is very good and that actor's black That actor could succeed. Yeah I'd happily watch an all-black film if I wouldn't have a problem with if they're all talented There's plenty of black actors. I like I even like a chad. Yeah, he's in black panther. I didn't like that movie I liked him in civil war Yeah, perfectly. Yeah, that's a good example. He is a good actor This is that that movie is my favorite film masquerade all asians. They don't even speak english House of line daggers is pretty fun Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of uh A lot of films with no white people that I enjoy more of the arrows is a great one It's the whole thing just doesn't seem doesn't seem right at the prince base of uh, principle base principle That was another good one. I really like that movie, but let's let's hear the counters Has the forced diversity become unforced now. Oh wait, sorry. Have we gone a bit ahead? Yeah, let's let's everyone video and tell us your better version of ray Are you finished? Has the forced diversity become unforced? No. No It just means that we wrote a better character. Yeah, that's part of my premise I was like if you could let me go from the ground up I may have had a female protagonist, but I need to sort everything else out first Like I have no problem with her being a woman But if you say it has to be a woman now we're like, oh, which is what JJ Abrams did he hired based on diversity first Yeah, that's the problem. It's still it's still forced diversity, but we can still make it work Yeah, I think the writing kind of reflects that the focus was not on the characters being characters Yeah, because characters none of the characters are characters And if you know any sense of character they have is inconsistent with some other action or theme within the films There's conflicts everywhere Now mr. Wolf, you're a smart puppy I know you care deeply about these movies and storytelling in general and I have faith that the analysis you just brought to the table was well thought out And you've really let wow you ignored me and rags his assessment the fuck. Yeah, that's very rude Also, if you have any grasp of wolf's uh content, you shouldn't have to have faith Oh, that's a very nice thing to say Ray flourish as a character therefore I have a reasonable expectation that your character fix didn't begin with rewriting her to be a man That's not You like you could have forced diversity where someone says this character has to be a man Because everyone else is a woman or something Exactly Well, no guys because remember if you're straight white or male, you're not diverse If if there's a female writer out there who wants to make a story about a sorority house or whatever There's all girls And then some guy says you have to have at least a male character in there You can make him gay or whatever, but he has to be male. I would have just as much of an issue I'd be like leave her alone She can have an all-female cast Yeah, like if they made a documentary about shaka zulu and he was played by Sean bean like I would have an issue with that Though I wouldn't I wouldn't be down for that Like I feel like we're getting a framing here where this only applies to anyone but White males that's strange. Yeah, it is a bit odd that seems like an odd thing to think Our principle applies to everybody not just a select group I mean, maybe it did but then I just have to give up on this entire conversation because you're beyond saving so we're beyond saving if We have like a straightforward definition of forced diversity. I'm sorry. I have a principle that I'm beyond saving I'm sorry for thinking something and applying it equally To things their conversation because you're beyond saving But assuming you're a reasonable analyst and you came up with other reasons to fix rey that don't relate to her gender Which is what we did perhaps the inspiration to make rey a woman isn't to blame here There is something independent of her womanhood that is yes the video right now. Why is it's going on the screen? Yeah, okay, so so what we're seeing here is um My animations flashing in front of My video zoomed in as far as flashing. Yeah, which is Ridiculously zoomed in which is flashing just over Eric's face And then it's going to go into a vicious that was his face. Oh god. Yeah And and it's like he's like half opacity to his own image And he's also like inverted the colors or something or like parts parts of it look inverted Oh god, this isn't even how I mean mall. Are you already know this isn't half as bad as it gets? Yeah, this does to get really really bad I don't know just it takes work to do this just don't Dave yourself takes work to do this. Just don't I mean I prefer I prefer shinobi gates little You know, I do too. I unironically prefer shinobi's Action figures because at least we could like laugh at it a couple times Yeah, and I'm like that's his that's who he's supposed to be like that's his character and like I think you can make it work If you know, I'd say his voice is a bit of a wall for a lot of people But having action figures represent your different characters as you tell a narrative Well analysis, I think that could work if you Yeah, and a character could be the devil's advocate and one other character could be this and one other character Yeah As long as you didn't private all your videos just because people criticized you and you could like make A solid sentence cogent And I don't mean cogent in the sense of like, okay, you made a good argument I mean cogent in the sense like I couldn't understand a word he said confirmation that wolf watched that Kick me indeed But yeah, this is weird like I think this is me giving maximum benefit of the doubt he's trying to present like How you've been an idiot this whole time and you haven't seen the truth And he's throwing this shit on screen to try and make us feel like we're in a trance of like Oh, shit here comes the the truth bomb Maybe Editing tripling You just told us all of it expanding beyond ray the solution to every problem posed in this video has Nothing to do with focusing less on diversity. The solution is Writing movies better. Yeah, the problem would still be there. It just would have been written. Well still there And this is the thing eric like how do you miss this? It's like the whole point You miss. Yeah, you missed the whole point You just like glossed over it Again, super benefit of the doubt if he's saying but that doesn't matter to the outcome as in the art would still be fine Even if it was forced diversity because it was well written That's the point though is we're talking about that's a bad principle to start with Yeah, why would you gamble on terrible odds? Yeah, someone in chat just asked as well see what would be the problem Even if it is forced as long as the well written is fine, right? And it's like What you want to take that gamble every it would be the same as Any other writing standard that you someone says you go. Oh, you want to make a movie based in the jungle You have to have at least one building in it You're like why it's like that's our quota okay And then it's like I want to make a movie in space and then they go Yeah, we have to have at least three planets that are either visited seen Or you actually go on on to them for a portion of the film You go why it's like a quota And it'll affect if you have a vision and then you have these quotas to have to deal with Especially ones that change characters like that that's serious when it comes to uh storytelling Um if it was well written then it wouldn't be forced. Yeah, the character can be a forced character Even if that character is well written So, you know and I can I can understand people being like but it doesn't matter ultimately, right? Because you'd still be good. It's like yeah in that instance But that that that but there are very very few instances That you can point to where forced diversity resulted in a good movie And finished his video was called the problem with it Not forced diversity will never result in anything that could be considered entertaining Forced diversity sometimes Can luck you into something that isn't terrible Forced diversity doesn't make things better because of forced diversity things can be good despite it though Duh, let's look at the ghost spester's reboot. I haven't seen it So I'll again assume it's awful for the sake of argument There is no reason that an often all ghost spester's reboot can't be good though Yeah Look, so the I don't know if any any how many people know this but Red Light Media put it on their video but one of the leaked emails from pull fig is pitching this film And it like opens with him being like so ghost spester's but with girls It's like from the get go like what are you doing? And if you know anything about his directing style, he was basically just like i'm gonna put a camera on these people Give him a vague outline of the actual plot and then we're just gonna we're just gonna joke We're just gonna have fun And that writing Principle those set of principles results in a mess and it's not a surprise Why you would get this when your goals are that or your restrictions are that Yeah quality was not their focus But what wolf never said was that having female characters in a ghost spester's film means it can't be good This is bizarre take there are more than four good female You know actresses out there These were not them Yeah, and you know, it would be tough to write uh because of considering what comes before it But if someone tasks me you have to make a ghost spester's movie That is continuing the universe and it has to be four females I would be like first of all why second of all this is gonna be annoying, but maybe we can do it Again, not impossible, but why the hell have you put this fucking restriction on us to begin with? Yeah, if they focused more on writing good stories and having characters and just Making a quality film instead of oh, it's women Or the point is they're women then maybe the film wouldn't have been terrible You guys pretty much on board with like how you really shouldn't restrict artists in any real Way like not not to say that there's never an instance where An artist should be told that maybe they shouldn't do x y or z because i'm trying to think of one in my own head But like sure you can get too crazy. Yeah the the principle i'm trying to run from is that Artist tries to create a thing and then you're like no do this No, do this meddling and restrictions and yeah let people can Create whatever they want to and I think they should be allowed to But at the same time I think a creator should focus on the quality Of what they do because ultimately I want better and higher quality pieces of film and games and books see the chat no country for old women Uh Save in private doesn't How I agree women Jaws but with women Just Like I think I think that we're I think that we're being more than reasonable here Uh, like I said if it comes down to the fact that don't tell an artist they have to do something arbitrary because it can affect Uh, the the thing they had in the first place and if you start writing your story from the get go of these people have to be these genders these sexualities these Ethnicities you start to be like what the You're not writing a story anymore. You're just doing some kind of weird representation thing It seems that we're nine minutes into this and he hasn't offered an example how force diversity has helped something I mean he's it's I hate to use the word straw man, but I mean let's be fair He keeps trying to counter wolf with examples that wolf is actually like not necessarily against it's weird Yeah, I just want an example of how force diversity made something better because of the force diversity Anyway, I'll again assume it's awful for the sake of argument There is no reason that an all-female ghost spester's reboot can't be good though given a good enough cast and crew Diversity even diversity included for superficial reasons can lead to both but the ghost spasters aren't diverse. They're all women Rise the planet of the women I mean it's it's just like I guess one of them's black. That's sort of diverse. They have three white chicks and a black chick So, I mean, however, I don't know how you rank diversity, but that's not very diverse You know, I will admit uh, because someone pointed out in chat. It's like this is still Uh better than quintin because quintin Literally played well, he took rags his argument. It extrapolated something that is just took a sentence At least we got a little bit more than eight or a sentence fragment from wolf But like I can see how you could get here with what wolf said if you're Of eric taxons if you're not smart. Yeah, if you just ignore the other 17 minutes What I'm getting at is just that with with quintin. He would just draw something that rags wasn't even near Well with you it's it's clear that he's trying to skew what you've said Uh, so yeah, it's not quite the jelly man, but it's still a straw man Womanator two nagging day. Oh, that's already gonna happen. That's terminator five remember That art the only reason this wouldn't be true is if you were check out this editing folks That looks like a crosshair at the center. Is that from your gameplay? Yes, good lord. Yeah, because that's that's the br crosshair Simply opposed to seeing minority characters in your movies, which I know you're not and let's take season Jesus there it goes Yep, the only reason it has to be because you don't want to see Well, oh wait, he did let me let me clarify. I'm I'm sure I heard that he said he's he's sure Both good and bad art The only reason this wouldn't be true is if you were simply opposed to seeing minority characters in your movies Which I know you're not and let's take season three episode four of black mirror First drafts of san junipero had the main couple written is straight until charlie just kind of decided to make them lesbians It's as forced as diversity can get but san junipero is great So with legend of cora Yeah, it wasn't good because of that and I I haven't seen it But yeah, that doesn't necessarily fly in the face of what wolf has said Yeah, like is theodore um, is theodore crane Is she better because she's lesbian? um, the the other interesting thing as well is look it's a problem because I haven't seen the example you just gave but uh um Joss Whedon planned from the get-go in buffy to make one of the characters gay Eventually because they're all straight And then he decided that he was gonna and there was plans for it to be one of them But then plans changed and it's like From a writing standpoint he wanted it rather than it being forced upon him So he was like, how do I do this and it it happens over like a season Of a person meeting getting to know each other falling in love that sort of thing um, and the assumption I suppose you would have is that they were always Uh bisexual to begin with or something like that or you know people change I I knew a girl who uh was straight and became gay after a it took like half a year the change happened over Like it does happen Uh, I don't know if that would be considered forced diversity, but it's written so well that uh, you wouldn't know I suppose is Is kind of what we've already been over But you do know in this case Well, does it count if if the author wants it that way? How does that work? Hello, I mean I Like I said from the beginning he wanted to have a gay character. He just wasn't sure how he was going to implement it This doesn't seem like it would be too much. It doesn't seem like it would be forced Yeah, it was not in that case The the reason why I don't consider it forces because he didn't just go the episode begins and they go I'm gay by the way, and she's like, oh okay Especially compared to the reboot of Buffy where she's going to be black. It's just like what what why what? But I guess you can't really have a story of a character titting from white to black over time. So That was the only way to do it Yeah, um, do you want to carry on or do you guys want to say anything else? Okay Wait, what was that Hold on. Grewine's like five seconds. The homophobic thing you can get but San Junipero is great If you don't like it you're homophobic. Mr. Wolf. This entire video is just you complaining that Hollywood movies are bad And wistfully imagining a bright future where they are good, which is fine. I guess that's how opinions work But please be on it. Don't don't you want Hollywood to make good movies? Yeah, and I doubt wolf believes that this is the only thing Facing Hollywood is an issue. It's just one of many Yeah, I mean like don't you It's like I would like I'm pretty sure in the video I outright said this is not The only or even the biggest issue with Hollywood Again, you had to leave that out. Christ. Look at this screenshot though What's happening Help me You can't sincerely believe that the simple act of including marginalized characters in a story exploded in his video That gets bright like I like it's not even I don't even want to look at the video That the simple act of including marginalized characters in a story on a whim is such a massive act that it necessarily No, no, it doesn't demand it it if it but if it succeeds, it's despite it Yeah, and it's just a terrible principle to have in the first place. It makes no fucking sense It's terrible principle to have you should hire people based on their merit not because of some Characteristic of theirs that they did not hone that they had no access and changing that they didn't have any say in Which I suppose is a policy and that means what we've just sat on one side of the aisle With whatever this discussion is but if someone said I'm you know, I I am absolutely a and then word because I hold that position I'd just be like me or whatever But I don't I don't think he's gonna do that. Well, give him time that the writing quality must suffer This is why I'm responding to this video in particular It's the perfect example of the phony centrist version of the force diversity argument Like who do you think you're fooling? No matter how valid your reasons for hating the ghostbusters reboot are You've still hampered it all on the very inspiration to me Yeah, because Paul feig said that had to be a thing Ghostbusters is inextricably tied to the negative aspect that force diversity Demanded that those characters be women Regardless of the quality of their characters. It was I have these women now. We're gonna make jokes. I've made my movie Also, it's this disingenuous Thing that he he says about oh you see you're just trying you're pretending to be centrist Because you can't be a centrist and not like force diversity. I guess didn't even say he was Yeah, weird thing Like you're trying to fool us into thinking you're that thing you never tried to Be I suppose our response to you Eric for this whole video would be who you who do you think you're fooling? Yeah One pupper to say that force diversity made it bad is conceding that somehow the idea to feminize the cast Led to it being a bad film when in I think that's a pretty fair thing to say to led to that. Yeah I mean a bunch of women making queef jokes just didn't really sit with the audience all that much, you know So bad. We watched it drunk mean a few friends and we still had trouble getting enjoyment Weird It's just a bad film You can't make a dichotomy between hiring for diversity and hiring for competence without implying that hiring for competence will result in Whoa, that's kind of racist. Yeah, let's listen to that fully again. I just want to make sure I got that That's the bad film. You can't make a dichotomy between hiring for diversity and hiring for competence without implying That hiring for competence will result in hiring a bunch of fucking white dudes Whoa Just to repeat what we said earlier when we said if you have 10 people and you choose the best actor You may not end up with the black one But if you choose the black one, you will uh, but the best one may be the black one. It's a gamble That's what we kept saying So if you're like we have to have the black one because everybody's white, it's like Why don't you just choose the best actor? So we never said what he's just implied just just putting it out there Bit of a weird one I mean Gosh, I mean is he implying that if we hire for merit only white people will get roles. That's kind of Oof, that's not very that's not very nice to say about the abilities of people with color like seriously There's so many ways you could respond to it. I'm just like that was That was a weird one, Eric. That's that's strange. You jumped the shark there, buddy You can't make a dichotomy between focusing on a diverse cast and focusing on writing a good story without implying that Including a diverse cast of characters leads to bad writing Forcing it not including it. Yeah It's the whole fucking point of the word forced Forced aliens aliens is very well written. It has a diverse cast Yeah, well, I don't know if it's diverse by their standards. It has One female One Hispanic character. I'm trying to remember all of them. There's a black guy. There is a black guy. There's two black guys I think that guy was the leader too. Hey, Pone. He was the uh Sergeant or whatever. Yeah, I think yeah, I think it was I think it was above sergeant sergeant was uh Hudson was a sergeant as well, right? I don't really remember. I only remember. Yeah, I don't remember the ranks exactly and uh, God, what's her name machine gun lady? How can I forget her name? I liked her It was also a black man in alien. Um, oh, yes It was a woman. He was the second. Well, yeah, he was the last Jedi Three women and a baby. Oh Hudson was a private. Okay. I need to look at the ranks again. Vasquez. That's what it was Oh, yeah, that's what I meant by Hispanic I don't remember there being more than one but they could have been I'd have to watch it again Because it wasn't a fucking shove. Did you face speak like the most important element of their characters? Here are people and every person will have a gender and a race also But these are people first these are characters and people first They're fun characters like them. You're not representatives of whatever arbitrary race and gender they were Oh, yeah, that would be three females then as well not one obviously There's a newt as well. Does newt count a diverse or does that not count? She's a kid. I don't know. I have to check the rule book from Eric Yeah, she's yeah, but she's still white Uh, but yeah, the the point was never that if you have a diverse cast you automatically have worse writing That's not how that works Yes The forced part the part that's in his fucking title. That was the important bit You know, I still want that example Eric of where force diversity made something better because of the force diversity aspect This leads to bad writing, you know, as if making a character a different race gender or sexuality is anything more than a simple creative choice What? Uh, hang on. I need to hear that again Including a diverse cast of characters leads to bad writing You know as if making a character a different race gender or sexuality is anything more than a simple creative choice Uh, if you made a new black panther and he was white and gay And I'm pretty sure you'd get a lot of people very very very fucking upset It's gonna it depends on the fucking context. You could have a character that's actually like Uh, intrinsically important to whatever race they have or whatever Sexuality they have depending on what the story is and obviously we're mainly going to be referencing Reboots and remakes at that point when they change something that was established or an adaption And it always depends on exactly what they did what they were at first and how they've changed it, but if Yeah, let's say if ray was a lesbian in all of these the newest Star Wars films that does the changes nothing He's right. They could tell us she was all along in episode nine and we just be like, okay Rags you might find it funny someone in the chat said that this video has more god ray 76 But fallout 76 doesn't hurt my eyes as much as this video Can your character a different race gender or sexuality is anything more than a simple creative choice Part three what I want So, uh, just in case you're new here. I'm like extremely gay I know I act pretty expertly closeted on this youtube channel But if you follow me on twitter, you'll know it's a pretty big part of my brand naturally I'm a pretty big fan of gay representation But what I actually mean by that is a bit more complex now, of course I really like seeing queer people in my movies It's actually an objective fact that your favorite movie would have been better if the main character was gay Sorry, I don't make the rules, but you know what I also want I think I was supposed to be funny. I guess. Yeah um I I think a lot of gay characters are insufferable For me it always depends on execution them being gay them being there's not enough for me same for straight Yeah, I mean i'm bisexual and I don't give a shit what the sexuality of the character is We need jarred here for the oh god. He's a queer 95% of the time. It's not even an aspect of the character that even matters Like I just don't care. I don't care what you're attracted to it's just so I don't care It doesn't have anything to do with your character Yeah, and again it goes it goes for everything. Um Having them there just doesn't do anything for me. It's about who they are Yeah, I mean if I never saw another gay character in films or media as I just wouldn't it wouldn't bother me. I don't care Would you say annihilation is forced to vestial because they were meant to be women? This may not be true Is it unforced? Uh I would need to know more about the production of of annihilation But if I remember in the storyline, it's very fucking confusing as to why they're sending these people Meme wolf had a lot of As a video being wolf may make one year, you know, yeah, I don't really I mean there's a ton of We're crazy shit in that movie. I don't think the women were the biggest issue Um, although I ever shoves it in your face and instead of like we're women Yeah, they are all power they attempt to make characters out of them instead of just being like they're women There's no I don't remember that I might be wrong on this. I haven't actually looked but I thought I heard that like all characters were men I'm not certain that could be wrong. Like I said, I never read it So if that's the case then I would count that as forced diversity if not and they are and they were women in the book then I mean, I don't really care. I don't think it made the film any better or worse It's just they were yeah, the film was already fundamentally broken without the women I want gay representation in trash movies trash books and trash games more importantly I want gay characters written into trash movies games and books without the poor quality of these works being blamed on the decision To include gay characters All right, I understand that good books good movies and good. Yeah, that's not what wolf said though. So Like he's implying that you're saying that you take a bad piece of content And you spot the gay character the female character and the black character And then you say it's because they were forced in that's what he's saying you're saying essentially Which is not not the case. Um not to mention that I think he's advocating for it to just be normal that gay people black people females They just pop up everywhere anyway and for me. I'm like isn't that what we have Yeah, I didn't think being gay was like weird unless you take a fucking tally And then say if the numbers aren't exactly equal, then it's not right. It's like I mean, it's not normal in a statistical sense to be gay. I mean, it's it's a minority But I don't think like we have I don't think people are like, oh the character was gay. That means it's terrible And I just don't I mean, I'm sure maybe some people think that that's silly If you ask me what the potential origin for Ray's lack of character would be I wouldn't Hesitate to say that she was possibly they didn't really focus heavily on making a character for her Because they were more concerned with her being female. They're more concerned with the hiring a female and bringing her in That's certainly something you'll get from JJ Abrams. It's uh and It's just Should have started from the ground up with character instead of uh, what gender they are Especially with star walls where it literally just it's not supposed to come into play really. It's supposed to be about the people Um, but you know like as as rags point out It's like if you did like a suffragette story or um a slavery related story some characters will have to be a certain Portion of those things which is why I found it interesting that he was like the goal. It's historical accuracy. That's the goal Yeah, and it's funny that he was like it wouldn't matter And it's like if you made a slavery movie talking about how bad slavery is and every character was white including the slaves Could you imagine the fucking reaction from our culture? people would be like Very upset would be the word I'd probably get back in the fields you wigger And then you can be like why are they upset and it's like well, you've you've misrepresented What happened? And you could write the the characters to be really really uh in depth and sympathetic But the race is an important part of that history. I am sure many people would argue for accuracy It's it's it's an interesting subject, but it's just unfortunate that he's put this Like pinpoint narrow view and said that like this is how it works and this is what wolf's saying and I've counted it It's like not really mate He's not even addressing wolf and his points are bad It almost feels like he wanted to make this video and he's just used wolf as a jumping off point even though He's just not even really listened to wolf at all Yeah, it's like he didn't watch wolf's video A little bit Also, yeah, I'm not see I have to cover my cover my own ass with this shit I'm not saying there's no such thing as a white slave. I'm not saying that never happened guys. Don't worry Here's I don't want every new gay movie to be required to be excellent Lest it make a poor case for making gay movies in the first place And that's why I need to disagree with pretty much the Also, but that's a thing that people say that's the thing that sjw say You can't negatively Portray gay people. You can't negatively portray black people or women. You can't negatively portray minorities of any kind because it feeds into a stereotype or because it makes people think that that's how the real world works Like you might not believe it personally But there's a reason why so many people are against that notion Because there are a lot of people quite frankly on your side of things Who do believe that and they write articles about it and they hire people based on that idea And they change the way the characters behave based on that idea or they invent characters based on that idea The entire premise of this video, mr. Wolf No matter how unintentional it might be the main takeaway is that a diverse cast is something to be earned That diversity needs to justify itself or else it's not worth it. This yes a blatant double standard Just think about it. Did we give up on stories with male leads after the room came out? That's like Oh my god, okay. Well, I you know, I bought a ps4 because I thought horizon zero And that's a female lead Yeah, well he said that you didn't stop watching movies with men in them because When you watch the room Eric, I don't know where you're coming from with that one mate. Like that's confusing You might want to clarify that maybe make the video slightly longer cover more wolfs actual points I don't know obviously absurd maybe the other 17 minutes worth of them Stories with male leads after the room came out like this is obviously absurd No one would say the room failed because a man led in it But Yes, but you could have and I also never said that we should stop making movies with females in it Just because there's bad fit. That's not the point I was making and wolf never said There was never a point where his comments did not apply to males It's just so few examples of males being forced into something But you can definitely have that as theoretically possible show me a director who said he's tired of I don't know the people having a full cast I use the example with the sorority thing If a if a woman was forced to put a man into a into a storyline that he didn't fit Or for whatever reason like that that could easily lead to Negative elements in the film that would be forced to visit you too. It's not specific to women Yeah, like we have to we we're gonna make another Tomb Raider movie, but it has to be a man playing it Larry Croft Larry Croft Lawrence Croft Lawrence But here we are a cartoon wolf is telling us that ghostbusters 2016 failed You're a pain think I used ghostbusters that much. I don't remember not to mention Why it failed is there's a lot of reasons, but there's there's no denying that the fact that they shoved There was like it has to be vivid go Like that's of course gonna have an effect under that impression They clearly played up the women women Yeah, and they said it interviews like people are hating on it because a lot of people hate women And it's like what? Well, they did the same Jonathan McIntosh has a channel that's focused on this This is propagating this idea that people like will for whoever else he's aiming at Eight things literally because asian people are casted or women are casted. It's like what the fuck Yeah, I don't I don't remember specifically if I mentioned ghostbusters in my video on it Do you remember moller? Um Because I know we watched it together. I just don't remember if I actually used that as an example I know I used a lot of examples that he didn't address but I don't remember if I was talking about those posters. The problem is if you did We would have no idea because he didn't fucking play it. Well, we'd have to watch your video I mean, obviously you should know it being it's your video, but I'm more concerned about the audience here having no fucking clue You I don't think you ever said ghostbusters is bad because women Like it's it's certainly uh one of the elements But like I would certainly target how bad the humor is like that's a huge deal Yeah, the the horrible comedy the disgusting visual effects the bad writing terrible story Here, let's think of it this way Eric if you wanted to really get your point across you would have taken that comment And you would have told us why it's wrong Not just mockingly read something that sounds Really reasonable. I don't think he's interested in convincing us. It's more to it's like sorry, Eric But it feels like it feels like you're kind of pandering to your audience as opposed to Sort of trying to bridge a gap here Yeah, well, I I think it's almost certainly the case because that comment illustrates that It's almost like there's a re He's implying that it's terrible, but he doesn't explain why and if he was trying to change people's minds he would explain why I'm sure he feel well because he showed all those other people He showed wolf and he's I suppose he's arguing that everyone has just been counted by the things he said But like it's so nonspecific and I don't A lot of the stuff he's countering wolf with doesn't count to what wolf said. That's the problem This is like Eric either you either you're incompetent or you have no interest in actually having a conversation You can pick either one Because the inspiration to star women was so drastic and poisonous that it Infected the rest of the movie and made it bad Honestly, it just goes to show how much the status quo can fuck with your head to Venom That's the status quo now The status quo is that movies are I don't even know what exactly is the status quo? Yeah, I'm not even sure You know having a job is the status quo. Is that bad? Should we change the status quo? We should all be unemployed I guess he's saying this element of the status quo, but again, maybe I wish you which part Clogging the veins of your mind making you say shit like this. We truly do live in a society Anyways, I want a gay remake of la pianist Oh, jeez. So that's it. That's my argument the entire premise of this video is completely bunk, but uh, he's not done Remember how I mentioned this is his best editing yet That mr. Wolf kind of dresses his arguments up in a nice little centrist presentation Do I really need to use like I mean, I don't know how many times I have to literally say I voted for bernie sanders and I own Book written by him. It's sitting right behind me Before people realize I'm not a centrist Doesn't matter. Okay. I'm just gonna play this again. I want a book a centrist can vote for bernie sanders Well, yeah, sure, but completely he has nothing Wolf is saying that wolf is claiming he voted for bernie sanders because It chooses label and then Eric is like, no, you're this label Yeah, this is the part where he's like, oh, he's not actually an interest. I gotta expose him So here's what I really as if it has anything to do with the argument but He's not done Remember how I mentioned that mr. Wolf kind of dresses his arguments up in a nice little centrist claim What does this have to do with anything anyway? Was it was it just just a a snipe? Was he just like me? It was like he claimed. Yeah, I mean Eric made the claim, but I don't see I don't I don't think it exists in reality Temptation well, he kind of drops that halfway through I'm sure you're familiar with Emma stowe not because you've ever heard of her before But because this was probably the first time you've ever heard of her or the first time you were reminded of her existence Oh, Jesus Christ Eric you're editing makes me want to fucking kill myself. I had to Ask was that you that's not let's say Jesus Christ as if Emma stone is the only character in bird man If you are think if you are if you make videos if you are Thinking about making videos that noise Never ever ever use that noise ever balance the god dab sound do kill yourself Balance the god dab sound please people never do that shit. Nothing makes me stop watching a video or stop watching a youtuber Faster than them doing shit like that where i'm listening to a video and I have this obnoxious Loud creepy ass bullshit noise that all of a sudden blares into my ears I'll never you guys are getting angry at edits made to be comedic. It's like Yeah True they are like how do you not as everyone's describing it's fucking ear rape like what the hell is he doing? Yes, don't fucking make ear rape noises in the middle of Video don't do it. I'm just glad my headset wasn't turned all the way up like Christ Christ But yeah, it's not funny. It's not clever. It's not edgy It's just noise. You're just pumping noise into people's ears Like quit the fact that she decided to call out hollywood for not allowing women to do more shit as stupid as fuck Maybe and bear with me here. I know this is a lot to take in but maybe rather than winding about it They should just well fucking do it It's not it's not at all so so much to unpack there. Holy shit First of all, this does not make a wolf Right, not a centrist. Yeah. Well. Yeah, this is very confusing If your claim is that he if your claim is that he's a centrist this does not make him not a centrist So this doesn't even debunk a point that doesn't exist except for in your head And then uh wolf did not set up that clip with I know how to solve sexism And then said that he's more highlighting something that I pretty much agree with which is When people are like women can't do x in hollywood Um It strikes me as odd. I'm always like are you what are you looking for some a producer To find a woman and give her money to make a movie Or are they going to find someone who's got a track record of making good things and make a movie and if that's the case And you're like, yes, but there's there's more men to start with that have been doing it That's not fair. I just be like as as wolf said I know how this sounds right, but you're gonna go and do it So like and there's a lot of directors out there who started out with nothing And they made shit on a low budget like it's in presidents even Yeah, to be like we have to solve it for them It's like I'd rather encourage women to get going to to go. You know, fuck this. I'm gonna work my ass off I'm gonna make a great film. I'm gonna write a great film. Okay, instead. Why do you need someone else? to force it for you like it's How do you think men did it if if that's your issue think if you're trying to fix a problem Though if somebody let's say somebody comes up to me and they say rags I am poor What should I do? I would say well, you should get a job. You're unemployed That doesn't mean that I am saying or claiming that I have solved the concept of poverty into perpetuity Yeah, that is saying that if you get a job that will help you with your situation And obviously everybody is this context for every single scenario, but Emma stone. I can't I'm not 100% sure of the context of that entirely. What was it? What was she saying? She said something she it was like that, uh, oscar acceptance speech or one of the speeches before they actually announced the oscar winners She was saying something to the effect of Um, there's too many men In hollywood and women don't get to do anything And it's like I can name you several female directors many female actors It's like if you want to do something Don't expect it on a silver platter and like she's go out and do it a producer gets to buy whatever they want They get to fund whatever they want to say they have to fund females because there's not enough of them What the hell are you advocating for? How how fucking condescending is that if you're a woman listening to that? Exactly You know like you can't do it on your own you need help Like what's stopping them? Yeah, I just give and you know if you have an example for you just just you show Some woman is making a film and then this guy comes in and breaks everything and he says I fucking hate women And I don't need to have a chance. I'd be like well that guy is sexist It doesn't you know like the idea that it's like sexism Uh, is is I don't know culture wide and women are oppressed to be able to make movies. I'd be like Give me examples because I'm a little bit confused on how that works And again, I did low expectations And again, I wasn't even saying to that solve sexism. I wasn't even talking about sexism in that context Uh, but it was totally funny Oh, yeah, I've gotta be joking. I mean really with how incredibly far left Hollywood is incredibly far left Hollywood far left Hollywood the simple truth is that SJWs do not really gonna Is so does anybody disagree that Yeah, how could you possibly disagree with that of the 1700 or so people watching is there anybody of the 1700 Who disagrees that hollywood is not far left type h if you think that hollywood is far left Why I I can't oh hollywood. Okay. Yeah, I just I there's no way like people leftist brag about that They brag about how hollywood is super accepting and they brag about how hollywood is super diverse and all this stuff and Like honestly if if you don't think that hollywood isn't super left I would be curious to hear if you exist I reckon might be the only one pointing that out does not make you right or sense a centrist or anything really It doesn't doesn't make sense that you would be able to draw That's weird. I mean Carl Carl Marx is far left, but saying that doesn't make you far right. Yeah, I I don't get it Eric. We don't get it either Eric This is a retarded point and you should be ashamed of yourself probably far left hollywood far left hollywood The simple truth is that SJWs do not let's think but there's a lot there are unironic communists in hollywood Yeah, but he's making a joke so leave him alone Simple truth is that SJWs do not have talent. Hey wolfie. I sure am fun. Yeah, we are actually Wait, I gotta play it for the stream somehow. You guys are ahead of me. Even though it's supposed to be sick Enjoy this bit chat. We have talent. Hey wolfie. Are you having fun? You're okay five hour takedown stream We don't need you. We've got other people who do so, um Eric knows that we were gonna respond to him But he said he said two hours at the near three hour mark and he just said five hours at the not even four hour mark Sorry, Eric. Oh, we beat you. You fucked it up again Eric thinks that he's good enough to demand that kind of time from us Well, I mean, yeah an extra hour for you Eric. I mean, come on That's pushing it and that's pushing it and he said he's never gonna watch it guys. So, um, okay That's fine. That's that's odd to him. He's he's welcome. So he hides his likes and dislikes Of course, he's not gonna watch this Um But yeah, he's still welcome to come on of course. I just he's just no way he's going to but it's like he can Um, but yeah, and that's it. So We did it. Wolf is a far right neo nazi because Reasons, I mean, I guess because Hollywood is far left. Got it. I can't even really make a summary for that video It's no, there's a very fucking wibbly wobbly structure Like considering it's a response to the disbanded wolf and it has 5% of wolf's videos put in Near the beginning and then a slight bit at the end and then a bunch of other people you sort of responding to and then this whole commentary on Whether force diversity exists as as a defined thing how it affects stuff And you just you just sit there wondering like wouldn't this just have be You don't need the a response to disbanded wolf part and you could have taken wolf out and just had your view on Force divistics you barely even consider what wolf's saying. You just treat this as like a aha. I've counted you. It's like yeah, this is I mean, this is even calling us a response to the disbanded wolf is kind of like I technically some of it was but mostly you were just making shit up about him that I In some definition it was in some way Most of it was it's weird because even has in the title is a Even the title it starts off with what is force diversity. That's not the title in my video The problem with force diversity. Yeah, but in at no point in this video Does he explain what force diversity is like the title would suggest? Yeah define your terms, man. It's basic shit. It's like you Yeah, I'm gonna finish up on some super chats and then we will be able to do our outro in which there will be a um Well a surprise of sorts. I just realized like I was expecting us to get through Eric Taxa did like two hours, baby three. We've managed to go to nearly four. It's like fuck me so um Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you have read any of the Horus heresy series And if so, what are your thoughts on what you've read love to see a wolf do a review on a few of them No, I do not read them. Never heard of this Warhammer 40k. Oh I have not read the books afraid. I've not heard of them in Egypt. We love Braveheart and it's 100% white movie Also, I love the godfather and it's a 99% white movie and I'm black and I love it But anyway guys No, they're well They're from Italy. See that's a whole other conversation. Uh the idea of should You know, like can black children uh be inspired by white characters I know when I was a kid whenever static shock was on tv. I watched the shit out of it I mean Ripley was one of my like childhood heroes. So I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers static shock Because I genuinely liked that show. Yeah static shock was good. I don't think I ever watched the end of it Didn't they get canceled after like two seasons or something? I don't know the show wasn't bad Then I was a kid. So I don't know if maybe yeah, I mean great credit. I Yeah, sure. I could Do the same thing. I I just have memories of it. So, you know Um the old gods pissed over the desert and made mescaline a quote for the return of wolf I don't um, what does that mean? All my favorite people on youtube hi wolf. That's uh neat. Uh, hey wolf is back. How's everyone doing doing good? I'm swell great Uh, I wish my gf put in my place Like rated to kylo and tfa and just tell me you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader very powerful scene couldn't sleep cry face I mean I reckon you'll be in sarcastic the room is a white movie and it's written badly. I mean I just the comparisons he brought up were very very odd This is the thing this would all be sorted if he actually did come on this podcast, but it's just never gonna It would have been sorted if he was even remotely honest with his depiction of my video Or if he offered one example of force diversity being good Got lady of the rings rise of the planet of the apes with women He just put with women on the end of movies Rise of the planet of the Yeah, like I said rise of the planet of what I was gonna say it's so clunky You just start putting with women on the end of node titles Did you guys like that movie see biscuit with women? That was a good one. That was a good one. I really like that one. Jaws with women in it Uh, snook is forced to viste if you were a deformed female he would have been a good character true No, they tried to make a they tried to make a quiet place with women But they just didn't think it would be realistic personally. My favorite was the woman in the striped pajamas With women in the striped pajamas Uh forced to viste ruined modern comics. Yeah, I see that's another whole thing. Uh, What's damaged the marvel comic industry of Like, oh, yeah, they don't sell shit anymore. They're yeah, their comics are like walking tank and Uh, also, do you guys catch that new movie philma and louise and women? Uh F e bad fee bad stowell's had zero iron man Oh Yeah, um in latin ferrum It's a good one. It's a periodic table. Yes, then stowell's had zero albino african stowell's is racist It's true. It's true fun fact because their albino doesn't mean they're not black I I don't know enough about that. I think he was just joking around. I don't even know the I don't even know How I'd respond to that. I or they're black on the inside In the deleted scene from alien the guy attacked in the vent is revealed to still be alive and the stromo explodes So the black guy is second to last if we include it Yeah, yeah wolf idiot Yeah, stupid Yeah, um, I don't know my alien war fallout 76 game of the year edition review two out of 10 not as bad as What is forced diversity a response to dishonored wolf rags? I That says a lot because fallout 76 is pretty bad. Hmm. I'm late, but welcome back wolf. We missed you a lot So many nice people today for you was array The new bond movie won't have craig sad though I will vote either will smith or christian bail because they're good actors thoughts on this guys Isn't it idris elba? There's who they were going with That's what I thought it was Which is weird. Yeah, it's not even the first time that idris elba is going to be applying a white rock The same thing with the dark tower. It's really irritating granted he was like In all honesty, he was probably the least defensive thing in the dark tower movie But um, you know, it's it's weird. We've got a super chat that says, okay, I'll say I'm lost. What's going on here? What's this guy going on about? um If you if you turn off the audio and just stare at the video It'll probably make more sense Hey wolf's back. Hope you're okay my dude Lot of lot of nice stuff. Like I said, it's really good Uh, we are now done for having heard him make god have mercy on his soul I'm sure Eric will be fine. God doesn't like the queers Oh god, he a queer That's what the story says so I don't Uh, so glad to back wolf For more on communist hollywood a video by razor fist gives compelling evidence Uh, that they've always been read Oh, yeah, razor fist made a really good video about hollywood and communism People are not gonna like me if they like razor fist soon I think the problem with writers that force diversity is that they put politics ahead of the story hurting the overall experience The american comic book industry is a primary victim of it Yep Um, welcome back wolf. I love you. I also love mullin rags, but I like walled more fight me irl after school 330 p.m I like well if you know, this is like a wolf if you like wolf the most you're probably a weenie So I could take you mate. He likes walled more than me you and wolf This is a walled guy Who's fucking walled get him on this podcast. Yeah, we need him on the podcast Where's Waldo? Uh, wolf's back all is right with the world. What are your thoughts on dirty harry movies guys It wasn't as good as the sequel dirty harry with women, but I think someone actually put down dirty women in the chat earlier Tying this meme to the fucking major leeward about you can see women. It's like yep. This is all starting to come full circle Uh, yeah as for dirty harry movies. I like I like them, but I've not really got much passion on the subject I haven't seen them since I was a lot younger Yeah, Clint Eastwood's a good actor. Um dirty harry wasn't as good as his best to film Which I think was the good the bad the ugly and women This is gonna evolve isn't it? This is so much you could do with it. Uh, robert dowdy jr. But a woman Can efab stand for existential fapping too? Yes. Yes. Yeah, we're very diverse here existential fapping is allowed Deliverance with women. Yep. This is like I said never gonna end um But yes, that is that is I've read this the super chat. So I suppose what I should say now is Well closing up stuff. So first of all, I don't know if anybody doesn't know But I'm releasing part one of the critique of the false awakens on christmas day As I don't even know if that's wise or not in terms of like how your videos will do But fuck it. I just think it matches like Maybe maybe christmas eve as a little stocking stuffer. Oh, yeah, could could do it that way I'll figure it out. I'm not sure exactly. But yeah, it'll definitely come out one of those days I don't know if do either I figure it makes sense for people to want to know but both of you can talk about What's next for uh, what's happening with both of you? Uh, we're I'm just kind of working away I got two I got two kind of projects going up around still working on them Did a lot of work on the jello one yesterday night And I woke up right before this so I haven't had the chance to work on it yet But I've also got a lot of stuff collected Um for a fallout 76 review So that will be fun And wolf Well got a couple things to say Uh, don't I don't have anything coming out Anytime soon because right now I'm just focusing on finishing my last semester of college then Gonna be pretty much hardcore looking into trade schools This college you don't learn anything there aside from shit. You already know and uh Yeah, I I have some ideas for some videos like I mentioned If you're razor fist fan, you might not like the video I have planned for him because he uh He made a video. Well, he was a while ago. I think it's almost two years now. Maybe more than that uh Basically saying that the witcher is blatant plagiarism of elrich Well, I've actually decided to read the elrich books and it's like the furthest thing from plagiarism as you can get There's a couple things you can like Point to as being just totally Worthless. Oh, okay. It's like what's the word? It's I keep thinking cosmetic. It's not cosmetic aesthetic I'm not aesthetic. God. I can't think of a word prosthetic No, there's no there's no robots I mean amnesiatic We'll figure out the word eventually like women. Yeah with women With women. Uh, well, anyway, I actually uh went out of my way to read the books Well, I already read the witcher books on my own because I was like, I just like it. Um, But yeah, he's pretty wrong on that. So it's just what a centrist would say Definitely, but anyway, um, I it's not like I've worked on any scripts or anything I've pretty much just got like ideas written down of like, uh, I might do this eventually one day uh But yeah, it's more so, um Obviously, I've been gone for two months I don't think I really need to get into the reason on this stream because it's way too long to explain um But yeah, obviously Wolf came Wolf came out as a centrist to his parents This is how we needed some alone time. Yeah, awesome. It was horrible Very very horrible, but yeah, uh, it's just a couple more of these flowed in. I'll just get them out of the way Uh, so someone said furiosa is an example of a good a great character from abmax fury road Um, I don't think any other characters were very good in that movie I think she probably had the most going on in in that film. She fit otherwise Yeah, I wouldn't say she's like a great character, but they weren't like women Women women women. I need to see it again. Honestly because I saw it I loved it and then I watched y'all's video of it and I was like this has made me rethink my position on this film Uh, I would never deny the action is fucking fantastic in that film though Um, yeah, I like the cinematography. I didn't really care much about it House rhino milk with women warm a hammer there war hammer the women times womb all our episode of christmas about time you uh Again as well, it's nearly three hours the video. So it's not like I'm putting out a half hour thing It's like finally a big chunky thing to actually watch for my channel Because it's been like two months since I put anything out and I do feel awful about it But it's coming. I swear. Um, I'm hurt. My spelling was made for check your privilege there Check your privilege you animals and mohler, of course and finally water is not wet Sure beautiful So before we we go out, um As we did mention joseph anison did release a hilarious video And uh, the thing is wolf was coming back. So we couldn't do that. We had to do the eric taxon thing So we decided That we may do two episodes in one night Um, if you guys we're not going to sleep people. Oh shit balls. I was just asleep before I came So We're gonna go offline. We're gonna go offline 10 minutes from now. We're gonna boot up efap number 16 And who knows how long that'll last so Hopefully you guys can survive such a crazy thing Yeah Before we go just real quick Thanks for all the nice comments rags has sent me a ton of the ones that he's seen Seen a lot of the chats and comments of the past to efap since I left Yeah, I mean obviously there's gonna be people that are shitty and are gonna continue to be shitty But um, yeah, I just want to say thanks. It really made me feel better Yeah, man. It's good to have you back We've got the powerful core of efap. You know efap isn't the same without you You've got the axis of evil once again. We're formed Prepare for us to make a whole bunch of enemies The Illuminati triangle has finally come and but a whole lot of friends too So, yeah for the for the people on on the mula channel, there'll be like a four hour efa Actually, that's a long one. So they should be happy to get in a whole bunch. So, um, well they're getting two efaps in one night Exactly. So we will be back. We're gonna go offline for about 10 15 minutes to just, you know Pretend that we actually have lives briefly stretch our legs and But next up will be Joseph Anderson versus subjectivity, I suppose, which Who knows how long that'll last so thank you all for for the generous donations the kind words to uh To will fan of course the the podcast itself. We always have lots of fun here. Thank you, Eric for Trying whatever that was Good luck in the future my friend and uh, yes, I'll quit and I'll quit indeed Thank you all and goodbye See you soon See ya