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This guy name is George Thomas. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me man Thank you for coming Man, we're gonna definitely go down through there But I always like let I say ladies first let mr. Make a ask you a few questions It's just you know softening the blow a little because when I come with it Nigga, it's hardcore, you know No, go ahead mr. Make so you born and raised New Orleans. Yes, ma'am. What part so originally? Uptown is where we raised so I was raised no more Luther King So I still in elementary school mama and daddy move across the river on the West Bank And that's why everyone know us from the situation. We're gonna talk about okay How old were you when you when y'all moved to West Bank nine ten something. Oh, so y'all been there for a while Okay, and you were raised with your mom and dad. Yeah in the same household. Yeah, okay. How many kids? Three total so I had a older brother who went to corn Like I said when we lived uptown, but when we moved across the river he joined the army He left and then I had a younger brother Steve all boys. No girls all boys So what was it like growing up? So you're the middle child correct? So you like that song by What's that light-skinned boy J. Cole the middle child. That's the name of it. Did you like that song? Yeah, I like J. Cole. That's one of my favorite rappers Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. So what was it like being raised with an older younger brother? You know, like I'm the last child so people always talk about the last kids are spoiling some of what now it's true No, it's not so What it's like being the middle child So the middle child I say you I won't say you ignore it But all of the Protection will go to the baby boy because that's the baby and the older child is is already old So you tend to learn things on your own. Okay, so tell me what was okay So you say mom and dad was there tell me a story about something that How strict were they were they strict or did they let y'all you know Man and woman officially men when they have boys as kids They let them do whatever They let them do whatever because y'all boys they're more protective of girls But daddy is Native American and Puerto Rican. Okay, I miss black. Okay, so growing up in that type of household Dad worked for he was a chef. That was his occupation. Mm-hmm, but he worked at this place called rickabonos in mattery So I don't know if you guys actually heard of mattery. All right. No rickabonos is what I'm telling That's why they got that money don't so it was Carlos Marcellos and all the people that's who ran the restaurant Okay, but my dad was the head chef and they loved them But because he wasn't I don't want to say why Right so he got more love in New Orleans We would say passe blanche with the light skin. Okay, which means pass for white, right? So the darker skin tend to be back of the house and the lighter skin is front of your mom was dark skin Yeah, my mom was dark real dark real dark skin. Okay, so daddy worked all the time Yeah, what did mom do mom was the housewife for a long time. Okay, mom didn't start working until brother passed away So she raised y'all so to say yeah, that was always right and see my daddy had a really good job So y'all had some money No daddy had like multiple jobs. Okay, so I won't say we had money, but we did better So growing up in any hood across America, you won't know it's hood if you got good parents So that I will say but we become a product of our environment So kids tend to get in trouble as you get older, but the parents will say you wasn't raised like that Which is true even me. I made straight A's in school I wanted to hang out with a rough crowd because you think that's cool and that's the thing to do So the streets cause music. Yeah, you become a product of your environment. Okay. That's where I jump in Like I'm trying to understand you say you end up getting I want to make sure we get to the part where you get in trouble What the heck did you do? So I got locked up for a Timothy murder and how old were you? Wow? Yeah, I was 17 at the time Oh, yeah, and so how did they how did that? What happened? Is this something that you you got convicted? Yeah, I got convicted of it. I got a night at a nightclub Was you know, so my situation of my told you my big brother was in the army So I tried to join the military as well So you take I forget what it's called, but you take the chance, right and I go to boot camp. I Finished boot camp upon coming back. I get into a situation with a gentleman gentleman pull a knife on me I take the knife. I Use the knife on him and then I shoot him and they said it wasn't self-defense because I did too much stuff Yeah, yeah, so you took it too far, right? Wow, and he had a puncture lung crack rib dude was in a hospital for like Maybe two and a half weeks, which ironic we'll talk about was an argument was it what started all of this? Yeah He was um, he was trying to attack someone that I knew or somebody that was there with you Yeah, and you jumped in right he had hurt them previously. Oh, yeah, it was a girl Oh, yeah, he had hit so I took it upon myself to fix the situation Okay, so and so you end up you you you end up stabbing the guy Yeah, I took it. I stabbed him and then I shot Which you're right and they said it was too much too much stuff to say it was self-defense Did he live or did he pass? No, he left he ended up like I said, he was two and a half weeks in a hospital Um came testified against me. What's done? Yeah. Yeah, he came to court pointing me out and everything But because I was in the military I had a Said you were trained right and you were trained so I got a 16 year sentence that got cut to 12 But I had to do eight on that 12. Wow. Wow. So when you look at that How long that was a process it didn't just happen like you just explained it That's probably happened over a period of a year year and a half Right you out here trying to figure it out. How tough was that just trying to understand How to maneuver where your life was headed during the time you was trying to figure out the sentencing So when you're trying to figure out the sentencing you in in space because you don't know what's going to happen And like I'm I won't I'm not afraid to say like I was scared because I had never been locked up For a long period of time. Yeah So I'm thinking like you never coming home and you hearing these numbers that they talking 25 20 12 10 And somebody that's about to be 18 is like That's forever. Yeah. Yeah, and you basically at that point you trying your best to understand Where you how can you bounce back from this even before you take it? Right, right. How am I going to be able to make it through this, you know So you were 17. So you were tried as a juvenile or an as an adult I turned 18 in there In the while you were doing okay, and they knew that that's one of the plays they do Yeah, they want to pull it out. Yeah, they want to make sure to stretch until they can try you as an adult Or yeah, it happened here, but he's 18. He knows better and blah blah blah um For go ahead. So how did this um affect because you see your brother was already in the military Did that affect him the older brother? Yes Not really like he so I don't know if any of you guys ever been No, my brother was was front line infantry So he already came back with what I call ptsd and brother of you watching this I swear, I mean no disrespect by this, but he already came back Trying to get himself acclimated to society. How much older is he than you 14 years? Why is my dad's son? He's not my mom's son. Oh, so he's way older. Okay. So dad 10 years older than mom So my brother's 14 14 years older and you and your younger brother is how how close in age? So we're three years apart three years apart. Okay. Okay, so you end up After you end up getting this sentence They they definitely played what you're trying to figure out to get you to take this to get you to take that That's what they do and you decided I'm you're gonna take the the You got eight, but you got more than that. Yeah, I got 16 I was stupid if I could go back now in hindsight, they were offering me eight And I would have had to do four and I would have took it. Yeah, but like I said, you telling any kid About time They don't want to hear that because it seems like the door's gonna close forever. Wow. Did you ever have any other experiences? Because of that relatives people that was locked up anybody that came at you about that situation No, so I had while I was getting locked up I had other cousins because New Orleans culture is correct. That's right. That's why I getting charges So my cousin Purvis who's in angola right now same thing double murder. He was convicted of How much time you got mandatory life sentence in louisian And then a couple other cousins with the drug charges and all the stuff that come with the territory Wow, and you said sorry, but you said you said, um, this is the first time you had to spend that much time in in prison So you've actually Got in trouble before and this way I've been in trouble before. Yeah, you had gotten in trouble before before Okay, uh, but you didn't spend that much time, right? I end up getting probation for that. You had a crack charge Yeah, so they come to a distribution crack. How much did it get you at that time? It was like a quarter ounce and you know the 14 year old kid you're thinking that's that's money Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. But it was 14 when you caught that right and I got kicked out of school So when I got kicked out of school, I had two years probation for that So when that was finished, I still couldn't go back to jefferson orleens because I had a drug charge That's why he decided to go to the military, right? So I got a gd first and then I pursued the whole military thing was my vision Got it. Well, that's pretty smart as a kid to think like that to try to figure out a way to maneuver In in that type of it was the probation officer though. So I can't Oh, he suggested it was like, uh, you're still young. This is what you can do. You can and that was like the outlet But although it was his Um suggestion Most kids would be like man, I'm going back to the streets. I'm gonna do what I know Yeah, but the streets like home where my mama is like not an option Mama gonna get on tell this day. She's still getting on you So mama is always mama is why I say any kid that's getting in trouble People can't say it's because of lack of parenting because I know even my dad, he did the gambling He did all the stuff he did but deep down. I know it was still disciplined there So you was going to respect mama when you came in a house certain things you wasn't going to do It was going to act like you were raised correctly Like like the movie fences You know, nigga don't know what's going on that you go respect mama You don't respect this house and don't ask me for nothing unless I want to give it to you And they still so they went no matter what they did two things. She always told me and this I even do with my kid Tell us they pray before bed Which they always did and they would go to church and they still go to church Uh, uh, isra like baptist church. Yeah, yeah, yeah across the street from what detail used to be Okay, okay, so that's why when people tell me and talk to me I'm like, what the hell you talking like I grew up up to now But I came into myself as I had a lesson to cross the river But mama and them still go to that church even when we moved on the west bank and tell us day They still go to isra like baptist Wow, and it's been and they've been going there the whole time. Yeah, and they still live in west bank And they still live in the west bank shout out to mobo joe. He came on here mobo joe. You watched it. Yeah Yeah, shout out to mobo I I just the one thing I can't say man is It's coming up in new islands and doing all these interviews I've been intrigued by the whole scenario and we we we you know in case of people don't know who you are you are the brother of The the young man that was killed at 16 Steve thomas Basically The one that see murders locked up right now for correct his uh for for his murder Um, and the one thing that I seen when I seen you online was you were contesting that That this is something that's relevant that it's true Right, and I want to tell this to the audience This is like no way a sea murder bashing session because I forgave that brother And had I not I wouldn't be able to freely speak the way i'm speaking now Yeah So what made me speak out about the situation is for 20 years you get tired of hearing Someone was well-roaded and he's innocent and my mom and dad never had the proper time to grieve I couldn't even grieve from in prison And then wait a minute you you were in prison when this happened And I'm going to walk up to that day because I don't want to I don't want to pass by passing that All right, you were you were locked up in prison Mm-hmm 2002 2000 how long had you been locked up? Because I know why you went because we just tell you that but how long I had only been locked up a year You had only been gone a year and did you feel like when what wouldn't that happen? Where were your mind at like when you first heard it you what were you doing? Um, I was asleep. So I got it. It was about three o'clock in the morning The chaplain come to yourself anyone passing your family the chaplain come So it's about three in the morning and I'm asleep and the chaplain's he's banging on it. I was in leaven work Okay, he's banging on the cell and then the cell door slide open So I don't know what's going on, but when I see him I just know it's somebody passed So he brings me outside and he tells me my older brother Called and said that steve had been killed and that I need to call home Wow, so did they let you immediately call home at that time? They let me so when you call home You you I know you right now you you confused whatever It's tough. You're trying to figure out, you know, what's going on And and you how close were you and your brother? We were I won't say we were were close as best friends, but we were siblings So he would ask me certain stuff or he would look to me for advice Whether it was about girls clothes or whatever the case. Okay. And so you call home. Who do you get on the phone? So when I call home my cousin answers the phone And she's crying. She's crying her heart out and I'm like, what happened? What's going on? She's like, he's gone. He's dead And I'm like, what happened? What happened? And she said, oh, they say it was see murder Oh, she's the first thing that she tells me before he was even picked up This is when he pronounced that so it's the night of The shooting and did you personally know see murder at that time? No, I like we were fans of no limit So much fans This guy Brockton. So me and my cousin Glenn, we went to L. W. Higgins high school This is where I got put out for the drugs And we went to school with Carlos from beats by the pound. Yeah, I think this guy is either call those little brothers Friend or cousin or something. I'm not sure how they knew the connection But the guy was Brockton was heavily connected with them and you could call Carlos I don't know if he remember this but you can ask them So Brockton Caused me and Glenn because everybody wanted to be a part of no limit Cash money was running the city Because they were the hand zone people and like the local celebrity But no limit had took things to national stage. That's right. So everybody want Oh, no limit soldiers was bumping the tru this Like everybody loved them and wanted to be like them including us So Carlos says Not Carlos Brockton says he knows Carlos and he could bring us the Carlos So me and my cousin Glenn, we're like 14 at the time. Wow. And we go ahead. I just want to know like Once you heard that and once you heard that he was gone I know it had to be tough trying to do time, you know and not being able to properly grief Because you didn't know you didn't get to come home for no furlough or nothing like that You didn't get to go to his funeral. How did you find closure in that time? Oh god, man. That was it That's how I had to find closure with myself because you you go crazy Whether anyone dies or not the first two years of prison is the hardest for anybody and anybody that been down there can tell you Because you part of your mind keeps saying oh my appeal is going to work No matter that everybody else appeals took five and six years you thinking your Your appeal is going to work. Yeah, that's correct. My appeal is coming I don't know what I need to do is this real try go to law library Right. You trying to see how I can get out the reality hadn't said anything yet So you wait about a year or nine months trying to figure that out And the last two is the hardest because you can see the end of the road, but it's not coming fast enough so When you heard this news and they they mentioned his name um Did they say why they said it was him who told them that it was him? No, so initially they just said it was see murder. It was no Uh backstory about what happened or anything. So I'm assuming they were doing an investigation Okay, and then I'm in Leavenworth and I'm watching MTV news used to come on And this was probably like a week later. They tell say that he was picked up from House of Blues So this is how I realized he was picked up Well, and so at that point Because of the way it was transpiring a lot of people was coming forward A lot of people were saying it wasn't see murder. I know you the streets talk But the in prison you get information as well You hear in double-sided stories on if it really was see murder while you locked up Yeah, I was hearing both sides of it. You're hearing two things He did it and he didn't do it. Yeah, so this is what I up until my release date I heard this people would come in. Oh, I was there a so-and-so was there This one told me this this one told me that how confusing was that for you? It was very confusing because as god is my witness at that point. I never I myself never said I was a hundred percent sure he was guilty because I kept hearing all these different stories And I wasn't on the streets And you didn't know who to believe because you weren't there correct at that time I didn't correct and the thing else We know that in this case there was you I know you got your paperwork But in this case, there has been a lot of people to come forward as witnesses for see murder There's people that then came forward and say they actually did this murder themselves There's been so many different things that were thrown scenarios that was thrown But today and the way that you see things You say that this pretty much you would out of doubt think that see murder did it? Correct I will go to my grave thinking he done it now and I'll tell you why yeah We don't get to it, but I'm just that's the part what And and and when I came when I first with me mean you talked and the girl told me about you and you called me or whatever That was the thing that tugged at me the most this guy George Of course, he's emotional. It's his brother. Mm-hmm, but not only is he emotional Because it's his brother. I would be you understand what I'm saying, but You being locked up. It's hard to In my mind, I'm just telling you how I was thinking like how do he know for sure How could he be sure that this that that that see murder had murdered your brother? And I was like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna even bring him on the show I'm being real because I'm like, I don't want to be in no gray area And I know where he coming from because that's his brother If something happened to my brother, either one of them only got two I'd be like messed up even if I am fairly being locked up in here or something like that So that was the tug of war for me Like how could this guy be so sure that see murder Was the one that done this if he wasn't there when you got all these different stories transitioning But then people coming forward But then the court system saying no, he did it We were even recanting or people recanting, you know, it's just a lot of back and forth And it's been that way now for like 20 years And I can only imagine how your parents feel to be honest with you because the 16 year old kid first of all My biggest question was why was he at the club? How could he even get in the club at that age? He had a fake ID. I can tell you that So all those rumors that was true. It wasn't rumors So one of my friends because he had guilt on his heart and I won't say his name That's fine respect for him. But one of my friends when I came home Came to me and say hey, I gave him the ID And he was crying and like real hurt and I was like, hey I'm not mad at you. You're not god So you wouldn't have known wouldn't have happened You know, if he wouldn't have got that as a younger man I know you I don't know if you've done it, but I know when I was young Oh, I was I started going the club when I was 11 year old club I don't care. My mom was a 21. I was going at 12. I knew somebody right So I was in the club at 11 12 years old. She's heard these stories over and over I've been going to the club dance with grown women since I was 11 I'm being real and I don't know how I look. I had to look pretty weird Because I'm already short and these girls were rocking with me too So they had to be pretty drunk. But my thing is this was a this was a teenage club, correct So when everyone always asks me I'm like, listen, it was a teenage club It wasn't a club whereas it's 30 and up or 25 and up. Yeah, I'm like, no 16 17 18 year olds were known for going in this club Wow, okay, but the thing that I I want, okay You were you went to jail or prison the year before I want to know What was your brother like? Um before you left to go to jail meaning like was he in the streets Was he well, I know you said your mom had you jumped out early you did but was your brother like that Right because I know that your mom she had her foot on y'all's neck trying to keep out of trouble and stuff like that. But still Mama don't know everything because I'm I'm a parent and you know You have kids one might tell you everything but all the one might not you know what I mean They both learn and they but they will know each other's business when mama might not You know what I mean and um the reason why i'm asking that because I know people watching probably thinking that same thing wondering Okay Was there an altercation? Did he started did he started what happened whoever it was that did this you know what I mean What exactly escalated just like how you said your story when um the reason why you got into it with the guy that You stabbed it was because of a girl that he did such and such too Why that happened but you can say that for sure because you were there because that was your incident Right, so I'm trying to figure out you know leading up to what was his character like Who was he and so forth my brother was his no no street kid So unlike me he watched me getting in trouble It's why It was hurting into me as well when it happened. Yeah, because you feel like he was Because that's what I assumed at first like he was telling me But my brother was more of what we call in New Orleans a pretty boy The s curls the the girls was his thing Okay, so what and I know you wasn't there that night, but allegedly like what called what What caused the the the issue? So what what I heard fiends say and again I I wasn't there so I don't know and fiend was there that night I don't know a fiend heard this from somebody or what but according to him and other people I must just say fiend because he's the most known Though what I heard him say and the other say was that it was a rap battle. This is The the majority story that I get from the beginning that it was a rap battle That no limit was uh, I'm sorry. TRU was promoting whomever they knew artists was and you've been in the industry long enough So I must say we have a rap battle tonight, but uh, my man is my artist So I'm gonna make sure he went and that's what this is about, but I'm not going to say that to the public I'm gonna just say we have a rap battle So supposedly whomever they had they were promoting my brother. I'll wrap this guy Oh, your brother rap. Yeah, and I didn't know that either But he I'll wrap them and when my brother I'll wrap them Well, I guess when he was getting off the stage someone bumped them And they had words amongst each other And then when he tried to push him my brother grabbed this shirt a chain or something And then 10 other guys rushed him This is the continuous story that I hear from everyone So if they can't agree on nothing everyone else agrees with this story So the rap battle was the this was the thing that started the issue with that night of how things fell out But like uh, uh going back to the other story it it was funny to me because I remember me and my cousin glenn Uh with the guy uh Brock bringing us to carlos To rap for carlos to want to be under no limit at 14 So we were legit fans So this is why the stuff comes out of of like my brother was a diehard fan because we were But the thing is again with you not being there Again with you hearing stories the one thing that I do know Is people who knew you people who respect you and people who just pretty much Felt condolence When they talk to you they're definitely going to They're going to have compassion on that situation So it's like the story that they're telling you Believe me it's going to be seasoned correctly because if you come to me about my brother Right, you better have it together Especially when I wasn't here and I've been going in eight years in the fed federal penitentiary and I didn't stay up somebody And I didn't you know what i'm saying i'm being real i'm a street dude So when they come to you a course old boy crying a course is because they got to come correct I'm just being real If i'm a person that's coming to you, but i'm a nerd boss talk I don't care what you say you say whatever you can say i'm a nerd all day, but paperwork don't say you a damn nerd Am I right? So you and then a person who come until you he know Because if you're a cat that's in the streets and you've been in these streets a long time You know how to move you know you ain't for to come wrong I don't know who these dudes is just coming to you right But if a nigga come to me About some on that level and I done been through what I done been through he got to come correct I don't care what nobody say so I get it I I understand why you passionately feel like these people were telling you You know the truth because of the who of who you are who you who you the person you are Is going to predict of how these people going to come to you is what i'm what do you think? Well one thing though one thing I always say you know people come into me and telling me stories Or telling me things I always say here's a don't stand up in court meaning like People telling me all these things are you were you there that night? Are you willing to go in front of the court and say that you were there that night? And this is what you saw and this is if you now want to say that then we can't we can't even talk about this Because it don't make no sense right you understand what I mean and then also taking consideration How drunk were you that night? How much did you see that night? Where were you standing that night? There's a lot of things just like when we were in court You know these are all the questions that they they they ask you know what I mean and not only that if time has passed How sure are you at all the things you you you say you remember how many people? I know this is a popular person But how many people were wearing the same thing he was wearing something close to it How many people you know there's just so many different It was crowded and they said it was crowded that when mobile joe came um on here He said he was there that night, but it was so crowded. He didn't see anything. He said it was so crowded You couldn't really tell unless the only people that could tell you anything If they were standing like right there in that vicinity You know what I mean and then another thing that I've always there's this um Game that we used to play in Jamaica We used to call Chinese telephone Meaning like if I tell you one thing and you pass it on to somebody and someone is the person at the end of the line Got a totally different story. Got a totally different story So it's a lot of different things you take in consideration with a lot of people coming to you and telling you different things It's okay. Is it somebody who told you that were you that's the first thing because I'm very the older I got I'm very straightforward I'm straight to the point like were you there that night? That's the first thing I'm going to ask anybody who comes to me and say anything Were you standing close by that you are you sure that you saw x y z? I don't need anything that somebody told you and you're telling me that somebody told you So yeah, so you see what she's saying how many what eyewitness that you talked to that you feel was there Right there when it happened two of them Was these the guys that recanted they statement one of them was the one that recanted they statement And the other one was see murder's right-hand man a body guard Wango and he told you that Face-to-face after he took the police trial agreement with the courts and he did this before the second trial So he was going to be charged himself. He got picked up for a drug case And whatever else he was doing because he was a known killer in New Orleans on the street Like let's be honest But he was the one who was supposed to solidify See murder's street credit or whatever from the rap game, but Wango was a heavy street name So when this happened he said see murder was the only one To get in the club with the gun because he was the superstar Everyone else got patted down and couldn't get in the club without getting patted down but And and I have to say but even if I was the one that's coming in and I don't know I wasn't there I'm this is all speculation and allegiance for me. Okay. Um If I'm the superstar The way I moved I wouldn't be the one with the pistol for sure. I'm just being real right. I get it in for you. Let's be real But I'm not too many people. I got too many people with me. I'm not for to be and I'm and I'm worth something I wasn't there, but I'm just saying I'm worth something So even if I was to do this You gotta do this or whatever because I'm focused but according to him He was high so what a lot of people may not know New Orleans know Is that you know heroin is they drug a choice, right? So he was like he was getting down and he was loaded and so is this not not not not see No, this see this what Wango tells me about see that see was out his mind and this is what happened that night Wow and he tells the same story that the other witness who changed the story and we'll get to him too Um, but he told the exact same story and I know those two don't run in the same crowds together because peanut was a he was a football star, okay, and uh, they wouldn't have ran in there But he was security that night, but peanut recanted his state right So a peanut recanted his statement. Why would he don't have to why would he recant because he was getting black balled in the industry? For music. Yeah But you ever heard I never I don't know the niggle, but I'm just my point exactly right now Yeah, suppose shot nut you could google them. No, that's the that's the rap name But is he still rapping right now? I guess I don't know. He was trying to do something last I heard he was trying to do promotion in miami yourself. Oh, so when I came home from jail He was another one Prior to the the recaning prior to the second trial Word for word when he said understand the first time Is what he told me in my family he would come to our house He used to cut my hair because he was a barber as well. So he knew y'all before he knew your brother and everybody No, he had to know my brother. I met when I came home. I met him He ran with my cousin bj. So all of them were like the same age. Yeah, he your brother. Yeah so When he when I came home bj told me first That hey, this is what peanut said like I said prior to any trial So when I talked to him and he said the same thing but he was scared Is why I said he called the police on three different times all this is black and white But what he said was he felt threatened because wango came to the club Took the tape destroyed the tape and then threatened all of them and said they better not testified So when wango said the same story that he said years later You can't tell me that but wango didn't testify No, wango documents were sealed because his telling was on a bigger stage He didn't only tell about the sea murder stuff in a destroyer tape He told the feds that master p Paid him to make the stuff go away. Okay. What words wango now wango is dead. He got killed in 2018 How did wango get killed? I don't know the story But supposedly they the streets will say that it's related to this stuff Some would say he was beat. They got like all kind of superman stories is what I call him But from what I gathered from the da and the lead sergeant because we were all told When it was happening as well that he got shot in the back of the head and then decapitated So whoever shot him had to know him Because you're not going to drive around With someone that you don't know and at that distance So it had to be someone that he knows that that shot him in the back of the head Wow, this is this is this is stuff that that that like I said, you you almost don't want to be Synodized in conspiracy theory, right? But it's the the documents were sealed until Once the once he got murdered they they they unsealed documents. Yeah, but that's when you started believing that's because before that Because you were hearing all these different stories. You didn't believe anything But once it became unsealed that's when you started no, I believed it Because even when it was sealed the family, you know, because the da always got to tell the family So I believed it when I came home and wango said the exact same story that peanut said And then the first trial and I want to clear this up too because it's a huge misconception That it was a hung jury in the first trial. It was not the first trial was a 12 o conviction Guilty, but it was overseen by the lady Martha Sassoon who granted him a retrial because she said The witnesses I guess something a da was trying to hold back So when wango told his story about see myrtle with the gun and them throwing the gun away He also said that master p allegedly Gave money to this judge now here's where the conspiracy come in because I was like, I don't know how much this is true Yeah, and how much of this is street talk But it was enough to get the feds involved To look at p is why p didn't come to the second trial But it was so the same judge that was on the first trial is the same judge on the second trial negative No, she stepped down. Yeah, she stepped down and she resigned and then they had a new judge Well, let me let me ask you this uh peanut and kenneth jordan both came forward and said that see myrtle was innocent right, right But you saying peanut Did you know kenneth jordan? Yeah, I know peanut personally. Okay, but did you did you I don't know, uh, I'm sorry Dernnell jordan peanut jordan. I don't know. You don't know ken. No, you never talked to him. I never talked to him But but he was there that night too. Right. So them two Except for peanut the candidate statement said one thing and then came did he come forward and said he was innocent first No, so peanut. I guess whatever the show is the uh, what is it reasonable doubt show or whatever Um, when I watched the show because they was like oh see myrtle gonna be on that tonight So I was like everybody. I'm tuned in like I said, I'm still a fan of the music So when I'm watching a show because peanut had been cutting my hair and we had formed a relationship at that time I called his cell phone and I'm like bro with the Like everybody else and he said he was innocent on there on the show On the show and that's not what he told you before yeah, or after I'm about to get to it So I call him on the phone and as god is my witness this man tells me bro. That's hollywood is the difference between a real life In the entertainment world and I was like it don't matter. So your entertainment world Interfering with my family's peace So talk to me like man to man And what did he say and what he tells me is it's not going nowhere He was trying to whatever the single was I think at the time marrero or something That he was getting blackballed in the industry And this is how his mouth that he was getting blackballed in the music industry and Then he went on a uh his ig page. I think since it's been cut But then he went on a freesty murder rink because everybody was calling them a snitch and I was like I Understood after being pissed off for the night I was like I I understood like he wanted to get on But that's what he wanted to do. But if that's the case, um You would think that right now he should be up in his music. That's the case Everybody should know who he is But Nobody knows it's not like that So that that kind of that throws An arrow into that you so he his word going back and forth like that Is no matter what is really not trustworthy and and what he the only one to kill it do right And keep in mind now he testified at boat trial so you can say you got tricked The first time let's assume you don't know any better like the most of the world here when it comes to this stuff And you would trick the first time You're not going to tell me that you got tricked in the sand and doing the same thing the second trial So for him it was just entertainment And trying to get the snitch name off his back Me as a grown-ass man, I don't care what you call me and I got kids now. That's who I'm here to live for So other than you bringing trouble to my front door. I don't care what the rest of the world think So on the second trial did they did they recall all the witnesses and everybody Um, physically to the second trial to testify again Yeah, and they bought wango documents in but wango didn't physically want to testify because whatever the feds had in they trial Which I found out later was the stuff he said about Master P and a record company being funded by Richard Pena and all of that stuff So why wouldn't he come personally and say it? I don't know like the documents were sealed remember for the second trial, right, but I guess he was Anytime something happens in the feds and the document seal is usually a high profile case or a high name case And people say, okay, I don't want to be known as a snitch But everybody who's been in the feds know that the feds only seal those documents if you play ball I always I was reading something and it was saying that um on the second trial some of the witnesses They had a recording that they weren't there personally They had a recording of their voices from the first trial that they weren't actually there on the second trial One of the girls so the girls and I think I talked about that she had urinated on herself She was scared So she told the detectives that c murdo did it but when it came to trial She said no, it wasn't him and that uh people were trying to make her testified, but she urinated on herself And when she saw my dad in the hallway, she told my dad. She was sorry and she was crying and my dad understood He was like I Like because all of them was getting threatened. Were you there to get wrote a relocate second trial, right? No, that's that's the first Yeah, that's the stuff I heard from the first trial. I'm yeah, I'm talking about the second trial that they weren't there The second no, they weren't there the second trial. I was there the whole time Yeah, that the witnesses weren't there. The only person was there was his family and me or x was there Right and his immediately family, but I'm like why weren't the witnesses there the second time I don't know the girl didn't show up peanut And kenneth jordan was there though the second killer said he was innocent again No on the second trial kenneth said he was guilty. They both said he was guilty on the second trial, correct They didn't change their statement until 2016 2017 like I said when he was trying to break into the music industry. So the thing is if To come back like that And to keep these changing of stories. It's it's crazy. Yeah, but you know what happened with him Like I said, I don't know him personally, but I'm going about black and white. So every time something happens The da calls us the the family witness Protection people call us every time something happens So kenneth jordan child passed away I don't know what the circumstances of it, but the child died When the child died he called the da Because he wasn't on a testify at the first trial. So when his child his child died He said he know how that feels to lose a kid and he wanted to do the right thing by testifying This is why he came to the second trial they Run fly was came forward And said that he committed this murder Right correct run flowers Then did he recan it or did he what happened with that? So three weeks before the second trial wine flowers said He committed the murder one wine wine. He said he committed J u a one one. Okay. You got that losing accent. So he said he killed my brother So the lead da said the wine flowers was already serving a life sentence in georgia So when he said he did it the da said, okay, you already serve in a life sentence. You killed a 16 year old child We want the death penalty. So we accept your guilty plea but We want the death penalty and then not even an hour later his lawyer called the da and said He made that story up and they were like, what about you will be charged with perjury? He said you already got life. I would take a perjury charge But i'm not doing the death penalty. And did he say why he came up made up so to say he said he was paid to say that He took the charge because he was trying to derail the trial the same thing He said on a show except they may have cut out the paid part, but they left the He was he was trying to mess up the trial or derail the trial. So they did say that part Did you at any point because all the back and forth did you ever feel like see murder was innocent? No, when I first heard it, I didn't know I didn't know if he was innocent or guilty because me being in jail around The people I was around I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt and me having A older brother and cousins that was in the game I was taught well, so i'm not going to bring nothing to you unless I have solid concrete evidence So I never made up my mind if he was guilty or innocent. I even told my parents I was like, well, we really don't know so even after the first trial when he was found guilty because I was still in jail I said, hey, I don't know when I came home and did my own research And now I got your own friend wango saying the same story that peanut said And those two don't run together. I was like, no, this is the truth And then when wine flowers come with his stuff I was like, no, he is guilty But one flower is again What he say he was paid or whether there would be some kind of there's no evidence that he got paid or anything No, I don't think they look he's serving a life sentence. So nobody looked into it The fans try to look into the the other stuff, but I don't think that went nowhere You see what i'm saying because that would have been a favorite trail That would have been something if there's no evidence showing that he was paid It's hard to because that would pretty much seal the deal something's wrong. Nobody has really ever Caught and I know you're gonna say well just it moved different in the streets, but there's been no evidence of Anybody from the miller family paying anybody that they could put their finger on right right you see what i'm saying There's nobody has said yeah These people that's talking saying this and saying that have never came forward with evidence saying Here, this is the proof that he paid me this right, but it's hard to refute if these are your friends like But you see where i'm coming from like You would think because so many people in the rap game get mad at everybody we know that After 20 years because that's how long it's been now right in 20 years. I just and for me Being a dude that kind of stay people are flaky bro You understand what i'm saying something should have been and popped up To me that's just my thinking if something should be them popped up Whether it be some kind of way to really say hey, this is i know for a fact this here is it you know what i'm saying not know But the black and white i want to get in that paperwork because i want you to tell me why The paperwork gives you this much confidence that it's the it's just the same stuff i just said okay in paperwork Yeah I got it. I got you know because i got a question because um We've interviewed a lot of people from new Orleans not really about this case or anything like that But i hear a lot of people from new Orleans say that um, Louisiana Um, justice system is so corrupt um In so many different cases how many times people get wrongly convicted or are they the the prison system is terrible or Just um people they railroad you all sorts of stuff. Um And i've even heard of cases where somebody because you're in a public figure they will Real not say railroad you but they'll use you over anybody else just to make an example Whether for their own political endeavors or not Um, do you feel like that could be a possibility? Well anything's possible. I'm not not even i'm not gonna come on here and say like i said I wasn't there that night right, but you can't tell me These are your best friends. These are guys that you cut for that. You say these are your brothers So these guys saying you were the trigger man regardless of anything else like that does it for me Okay, i want i want to move forward a little bit because all of the campaign you've had then you had to Really endure like all of those freesee murder campaign from whether it be from uh, the miller family whether it be from Kim Kardashian Monica these are high-profile people right and i see on uh, that tmz segment that Kim Kardashian and you went back and forth just kind of break that down to me explain to me how that even happened Because i don't like to all of them. I don't think they read the case They going by i'm assuming what he told him because if you read this stuff You're not like i said you can defute that if nothing was with a paper trail that they wasn't paid the money whatever But you can't say that these guys His brothers are lying like these are his people his own people that said he was the trigger man So explain to me how you and what did you think when you seen kim kim? She she came she's been working hard desperately trying to Get free uh freesee murder get i felt like it was a slap in the face to the family I felt like she jumped on this case That's where i was going that it's a high profile case So you jumped on a case without reading all of the facts and you I know you didn't research these witnesses or you wouldn't have jumped on the fact that that's the reason They changed their story because had you done the research you would say hey, i'm not getting in this case And then my family came properly more and because every year whether it's bt Whether it's something on youtube whether it's something else coming for it. It's like it's always He's innocent. He was well-worded And for us we was quiet this whole time So even when I came home my mom said don't talk don't say nothing And I stayed quiet and I was like, you know what it'll go away So when the pills was finished, I say hey it'll go away. So then i'm watching no limit chronicles. It don't go away then I hear uh The industry talk and it don't go away And then I hear her talking about this case again And i'm like man and then reading the comments Oh, and this pisses me off to the tenth degree to people that say it was about money My family never got a dime of that money ever bankruptcy was filed So it was never about money. It was about Bankruptcy was filed on what? TRU records or whoever the hell they Oh, you're saying the cause of yeah, so they never got a dime of that money I've been taking care of my family and I say that proudly and happily so Like we were good. It was never about that. It's about peace enclosure But we're never able to get the peace enclosure So that's the reason I started my youtube videos And I said I forgive that brother because that's the only way that I was I'll be able to talk and do this because before I couldn't it would have been all Cuss words all anger But I understand because I felt remorseful when I was in jail. So do I believe that he's remorseful? Yes, wholeheartedly. I believe you were most for but it's consequences for our actions But you said you say um Family hasn't been able to mourn Um What will it take for you to be able to mourn because this is as you say is a high profile case They're gonna continually talk about this for As long as it takes just like it's always open up a wound So it's like if we got a cut We put a bandaid on it and then we bang it again and now it's bleeding again And then you put another bandaid on it and you bang it and it's bleeding again it never properly heals because Everywhere you look. This is the case. I gotta ask you a question That when you went to jail When you cut the guy and you shot the guy Hypothetically If he had passed away Do you think That you should be locked up for the rest of your life or do you feel like You should be able to get out after so long of a time So me on the inside would say I would want to be out I'm talking about, you know, for that particular crime because this is what we're I get you. I get you. I get the hypothetical what I'm saying is consequences for our actions And even with that situation when I thought that guy was gonna pass I was instantly remorseful Because in my mind, I wasn't coming home And I'm like, I'm gonna be locked up forever. So do I think prison Changes people because there's no in between And I've been in Livingworth. I've been in Forest City You're either gonna come out with your mind correct Which you have to start in there doing saying I'ma get out and I'ma do abc Or you're gonna get out worse, but it's never no in between with that mindset. Wow. So you saying no or yes Yes That he should be able to get out or he should a person that does this If a person dies should they ever be able to get out of prison? So I I'm I must say I think they should be able to get out on certain terms and this is what I'm saying If you are truly remorseful It's I'm sorry this happened that happened But if you can't even acknowledge your wrongdoing then know you shouldn't get up. Okay. I get what that's what I'm saying So it comes with a stimulation. I get what you call right so The Kardashians when like I said if you lost a 16 at the time you was 16 years old um If with all the people saying See murders innocent They say that he didn't do this And a lot of the families of grandmothers everybody campaign because that's their that's their loved one for like What do you say to those people At first I tell those people to go do their research I know some of us as black people don't like to read at all Some may can't I learn that in prison too. We have a lot of illiterate people but Do the research first and foremost So go read I put the case law even on my youtube So they can go look at it. They can go read it from beginning to end if you don't believe it from there I don't know what else to say. Wango's dead so no one can talk to him Yeah, because a lot of people again like she alluded to earlier About the system about the black and white about trusting the black and white You know what I'm saying trusting a system that has oppressed our people for so long You know, I get it. You got the black and white, you know what I'm saying But that black and white that can be altered. Of course We know how they work. Right, right, right. So you understand what I'm saying? It's so much more to it whether it was you lost a brother. That's the most impactful thing that man I don't even know you you'll never get over that, bro Just like I lost my mom my dad that that's something that you never ever that empty spot will never be filled, bro Never Not so I I didn't even 16. That's even worse because he never got to live out his life. You know what I'm saying? but that system, you know what I'm saying, right that Correction or whatever that is that judgment that scale that sits like that That has victimized a lot of our people, bro You and I both know that so I get it the black and white is there all day long But I also get I can't trust it far as you know, because of me Yeah, I get you but we victimize us as blacks too. So we push this don't snitch a ginger Don't do this agenda, right? If someone was killed in the white neighborhood or Hispanic neighborhood They're gonna tell who did it. They're gonna clean up their community. Yeah, we don't get that You get a this person is a snitch this person is a right even coming home I didn't know how to use a computer. I was one of those that was For sure, right So I signed up for classes at it and I'm around 18 and 19 year old kids That's running circles around me. I don't know a power switch from a monitor. I don't know even a lady in Dallas No In Louisiana down there too. Yeah When I was in the halfway house as a matter of fact because glimpses who I just said That's who kim Kardashian should go look into His case if you want to help somebody Nonviolent offender given three life sentences. That's who case. She she needs to go look into but you know And I know why kim why kim Kardashian deals with that case because of the profile. It's high profile It's people that she she Actually More likely friends with a lot of the people in those circles man. So and that don't make it right or wrong I'm just saying we know why But what I'm saying is the ignorant. So when I signed up for it The professor there I explained to her that I don't know nothing So she agrees to come to school Hour early and stay an hour late if I agree To have her build me up and I did that for 12 months And then I ended up graduating with a 3.9 gp And I took the second two years and went to lsu and got a bachelor's degree So brothers that don't want to learn can't tell me nothing because I came from that and I I taught so first I give god because that's where it comes from but if you don't want to learn then nobody could help you So I can't make them go look at anything. Yeah, I definitely get it But I would think that you know, you know how earlier you said that all You know foreclosure is really just for him to say, you know What he didn't be remorseful and so forth if he did if he did it Right, but when you think about a person and even if someone was supposed to step forward and do something like that And know that maybe I would get less of time or I could come out and stuff like that And when the the public see that You can come out if you if you even say something like that as a possibility to early release or whatever Because the family probably wouldn't even fight it because you just you know so forth But when the person doesn't do that and say, you know what I'm innocent Even after so many years 20 years and not seeing my family not being around my kids My grandkids whoever That alone would make some people especially if they don't know about the case very well be like man that man must be innocent Because why would somebody Who is guilty? Not just take you know, just say it and just get out So he was offered a plea trial agreement, which y'all probably don't know as well He was offered 20 years Which means he would have been out now He didn't want to take that deal. Right. He said he's not taking it because he feel he says he's innocent Right, right. So in Louisiana first degree murder second degree murder mandatory life sentences But the thing is again And it's crazy If he's feel like he's innocent He's not going to take that he's not going to take that either So it's two ways you got to look at and also you got to think about They're saying now that this is what I've been hearing reasoning you correct me if I'm wrong that Uh, he could have said They've offered him situations where he could have blamed somebody else for doing it whether it be soldiers slim or somebody else And he's not even willing to do that So for him not to do that and not to be not to not to fold just to come home You see what I'm saying, right that further makes people look at him as he's innocent and you you were in that situation and say Okay, let's let's look at it both ways. Because you know, we try to be fair. Um If you were in that situation knowing that you were innocent And you and they gave you all of this Would you Take the pd and come out early? Yeah after being in yeah, or if I'm in this situation Any situation knowing that you're innocent I'm I'm know what we're talking about before court or before trial Are we talking about I'm talking when the plea deal came up and he had the chance to know because I didn't take mine remember And I was guilty and I didn't take mine. So like I I probably still wouldn't have because you would have to say you guilty and everybody goes to court Thinking you're gonna win. That's what we all think as young black man You're gonna win but even after this much time 20 years now after this much time And you and he's still not right and he's still not taking a deal He's still not doing but not only that you said you're not if you didn't do it then who did do it But you said your principles and morals won't allow you to say who did it, right? That's child stuff That's not grown man stuff. I'm a grown man with kids now is what I'm telling you Nobody's gonna put me in a position to take me away from my children. Like no these are my kids This are my loved ones. So if you knew who was who who had done it you would have told Yeah, with a flying banner. I'm calling abc nbc fox. It don't matter call me what you want now That's not back when you first got arrested. No, that's what I said. That's what I said You're older now, right? I'm older now and he's older now But he's still saying that he won't say who did it. So how does that sound to you? That's a code that they live by. You know that snitch code Yeah, that's booze But you know this code is a real situation where brothers is locked up and and and they know they got to come back Out of here and face the music of whatever they say That it's a code to where a person don't tell on another person and you and I both know that And I'm not in this situation to be locked up 20 years. I don't even know mentally How I would look at that right but as a 21 year old 18 year old in my heart. I was willing to die with not snitching on somebody. Yeah, me too That's just the way we were brought up You know, I'm saying that's the way we was man. I was hustling the street I wouldn't fit a tell on nobody. I wouldn't fit a rat. I wouldn't fit to do none of that I just wasn't gonna do it and I can't say mentally If I was locked up 20 years That I would do it because of the way the code I'm built up on But I get where you going. I'm big. I'm away from my kids and that's the part what you talking about But I was away from my kids when I went through my situation back then And I wasn't fit to tell it Right, but that was then so we we cuffed like you said So if a man still thinks so this is what I think you at 2021 And you 25 23 24 were you dealing with this world you fast forward to 40 and 41 And you still think that way you just wasted 20 years. Yeah, but that's coming from a brother who outside walking on the pavement But if you locked up and you with these people and they living by this code It's hard for me to say what I would do. You know what I'm saying You know, you can't even say that because look at this now. Look at this everybody majority of men that I've seen that come out When you went in with a certain mentality Yes, if you've been in the law library and so forth you've gotten wiser Um book wise and stuff like that, but In your heart in your mind, you're still at a certain stage in your life As the same when you went in in a certain way. That's why mentally mentally, right? You understand what I mean? So certain principles and certain things you're going to still live by That code all the way through because you're not out here to read just to any Any changes that has happened out here However, you went in in that mental state. You're still coming out with that Education wise you have excelled if you've been studying right but certain principles You still have those same principles when you come out until you start learning when you get out, right? And I'm not putting myself in that position again. I'm not gonna be in a situation Yeah, I don't I hang with nerds and ball clits I want to say Man again, I know nothing we can say is going to bring your brother back But I mean, you know, I definitely definitely I hate it happen And I I know how people are man You know what I'm saying? We we could have been through so much, you know what I'm saying? But your brother you could never get your brother back, bro Right and all the family wanted brother was an apology and I wrote see murder a letter Which the audience probably don't even know but I wrote him a heartfelt letter And I know he received it because his lawyer called me and we talked Um about other things and I expressed how I felt My dad still can't talk until his day every time he tried to talk He has a nervous breakdown every time to a point where he takes medicine now This the stuff that the family go through. Well, Steve Thomas 16 years old passed away and I could say My biggest deal was a 16 year old kid that's not hearing no more That's a tough pill to swallow, especially from your your parents and you as a brother How about your older brother? Yeah, he's uh, he's better in his older age as well, but he went through it as well, man Yeah, just he uh, he had to get himself together from the army as well as this stuff And I talked to him me and him were like real real close now, man What are you expecting now that you're speaking out and I'm gonna wrap this up What are what are you expecting to gain from telling your story now? Um, just that that everyone would just quit saying that See murder is innocent without actually going look at the facts And a heartfelt apology from him or whom Heather, he feel responsible for it. I have a question. So Have you prepared yourself that you're not gonna get that? I really haven't because I'd like to see the good in people the reason why I say that um This world is divided right no matter what you could post something you're gonna have half It could be something simple You're gonna have that's gonna say this and you're gonna have half that says that Whether they believe it or not you have some trolls or you have some people who genuinely believe because we all as human beings Have different perspectives and we all are not gonna agree on the same things. So That's the reason why I ask you are you prepared because you might have some that are gonna be like Yes, what you're saying is totally true and I'm I'm totally with you But you're gonna have the other half that's gonna say no It's not like that. That's why I said That's why I kept saying earlier that It will never end because you're gonna have the other half that's gonna always say that that's like That's something you're gonna have to prepare yourself for okay. You see what I mean Yeah, and another thing like I said one thing I do know is You know that peace that you look for For me, it only comes through God. Yeah, I agree with that's the only thing that gives me peace that surpasses knowledge and understanding Things that you cannot figure out There's something in god to help you with that, you know what I mean? And that's the only that's that quiet still voice that You know it it helps you to deal with family that you're dealing with today your children You know you can't hold on forgiveness in because it affects your family even more your children children's children So that's the big deal, you know is that you have to at some place find forgiveness in your heart Like you say you have you know and and pass it on to your children What do you tell your children about their uncle that they never got to me that he was Funny and I always tell my son is one now. He's so his Comprehension is still little but I always tell him he reminds me of my brother Curly hair always smiling love the ladies even at one. He won't let any man hold them, but he'll go to all the girls So so that's that's the one thing that you can always see The the the good in your kids and the genetics and the fact of of you know That part of it man. I've lost some people. I found my uncle dead when I was 13, you know Those things Like that and you never you never get over you never you never figure it out. You always ask yourself why You know, you know, I always say this. I always say everything happens for a reason That's something that I live by as I got older And people always say to me how can you say something? You know, everything happens for a reason because what happened to a child who Dies at birth how is god You know merciful with a child that dies or People who lose their sons or daughters or especially with violence and stuff like that And I always feel like and this is me personally because if you concentrate on the evil that's in this world You're going to end up being succumbed by that evil through hate. So for me, I always say that When god when you're born god clock you in at this job because life is a job We're supposed to touch other people through our life Whether verbally or the way how we walk because people watch your life people Especially with social media now so many people are watching you right now And they can change their lives because of you and you don't have to even come in contact with them So when god take you from this world, I mean that your job was done Whatever it is and people like well, what happens to that person who he keeps robbing and killing and stealing and so forth Okay, but when he died and you can't tell me that everything he's done from the day He was born till now is all evil He might be evil to these people But he might be good to somebody else right and somebody else been watching his life And probably was going to go down that same route that he went down But because of the way how they saw him live Changed their mind We we will never see or know but that person know That you know what if I didn't see him walk his walk and end up the way he did I wouldn't have changed my life and because of that that person changed your life and became president became whatever But that person was the person who was going to kill that person around the street tomorrow If he didn't pass away today You understand what I mean? So that's how I personally. I don't know if it helps anybody else but me I have to hold on to something knowing that you know Everything happens for a reason and god all our lives are predestined when you first came home out with you 25 24 you want to revenge? Yeah, I did And I told him this personally in a letter revenge I know what a 25 year old thinks like They they and you've been locked up. So you and you and you already been known for the smoke So people already was expecting him to retaliate retaliate some kind of way That's the way that's the way the hood work That's the way the streets were am I right? You're right So how did you as I know you talked about forgiveness, but you just went straight into forgiveness But how did you get and we're gonna close this up? But how did you get over that hump? How did you figure it out? So I got baptized in prison. Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna try to speed it up So it was a fight in jail when I had like 18 months on the way of getting out and everything is color coordinated blacks hang with blacks whites and in the feds So I had been there a long time. So I had somewhat of a name So a new white guy comes in and they tell him to attack me So when he attacks me, I defend myself, of course, and you have no fighting him when I hit him Of course So then all the youngsters now see this because of the status in the prison So they stump him to a point to where he's bleeding So they was trying to give me a brand new street charge and said I try to inside a riot Yeah, just because I knew he was coming home. So I'm in the hole now Two weeks. Yeah, like 14 days. So the prison chaplain's coming. He want to talk to me I don't want to talk because I'm now I'm thinking like I'm gonna be stuck in here forever The last day that 14th day he asked to pray with me And I didn't have nothing else to turn to and I'm crying because I'm thinking I'm never going home He prays with me the next day. I get a kite which we call in prison Of course down the white guy says I'm gonna get you back, but not like this. I'm not testifying So they dropped all the charges A week later, they put us on a bus and transferred us to a new facility You in here? No, no, they had to be in separate facilities So but I go to a new facility with the people that get transferred with me And then I find out because that prison forest city was overcrowded I go home six months early. So I knew that was the power of God because I let him pray So I I stayed on that mission even though I wasn't a hundred percent there I stayed on that mission of trying to read and trying to understand even when you got out So when I got out, I still had the anger and hatred Of course because I didn't know how to tame it and like I said, I wanted to know what happened So during my own research when I get all of this stuff and when he's convicted at the second trial You still hurt because you still can't get your brother back But um, I'm talking to older people now Mentors my uncle's other guys and they like make sure you stay on this positive What they explained to me was if someone's uh, if you take something from someone And you won't revenge on that person. It's like drinking poison And expecting the other person to die. That's what we're wow. Yeah You who told you that that my uncle wow So that's what got my mind right To say, you know what he was like, what can it change and then I watched my dad deteriorate Yeah, and he was like, you do you want this and I was like, no, I want peace It was like what you have to forgive. So I went to my pastor. I explained the situation to my pastor And he prayed with me and I felt all the anger and hate leave So at that point I wasn't mad. So I took it upon myself to write see murder a letter Explaining everything I'm telling you that hey, I wanted revenge This is why I believe you did it because wango said you did it and peanut and all of this So your fight is not with me. I still believe you did it But I said I forgive you and from this forward this day forward your fight is with god And I leave you in his hands Wow, and the crazy part about it again as I go back to those people that you named I just think about all the stuff that went on in the last 20 years and it's such a It's like a big mess man like and it's crazy But this is the way it goes, you know what I mean when you start dealing with judicial system When you start dealing with our people and them telling the truth for our people are messed up, bro You know that yeah, and that's the part where I think it really is something That's why I say even now when I talk to the little kids and they always say Oh, it's hard to believe you've been in prison. I say amen. That's the goal. That's what they say to you Yeah, I'm l7 square. That is exactly who I am So if you say it's hard To say I've been in prison a man job well done because that's the goal Well, hey man, I'm gonna be honest with you man. George. We love you, bro. We love you We definitely I'm glad we did this segment Like I said, I don't I still can't say I don't know if see murder done it I don't know because of the people in the court system Free sea murder is something you gonna hear from now and you're not gonna stop here in free sea murder You've come to grips with that. I know They're not gonna stop saying that and I can't blame them for saying that because The fact of what they may feel or what they see and I can't blame you for saying what you're saying because of what you see You know what I'm saying, but I can't say I'm sorry that you lost your brother Okay, I I I he was 16 years old I hate that this happened to your family And I would pray That some kind of way God grants you all the peace that you all deserve I know y'all this is tough You'll never be able to bring your brother back because I keep saying But at the end of the day, I think with you with your pure heart and the way that you Are searching and talking to God. It can help your family. It can help your mom It can have and it probably already have it can help your dad You are a leader in that family if your oldest brother have PTSD And you pretty much God and gave you a granted you a way to where you can see visions through God That's big man That's big because you're able to tap into places through the holy ghost that they're not Okay, you see what I'm saying sir. So you able to help them and that's what I see when I deal with this whole situation That's the part that's the part of things happen for a reason Whatever it was that happened to you through your brother drove you closer to God I know that for a fact You trying to understand the anger anger is something that's exploited when you lose control All right, so now you're able to harness that anger and able to Understand forgiveness and I think that's a big breakthrough and lead by example and help so many others who are going through loss Kids who want to retaliate who don't know how to act You're that example for others You don't understand what I mean So I just say keep keep the journey of trying to help people to understand when you take a great loss when you lose a brother And you have to deal with it and you come from confinement. So you got to realize I deal with a lot of people Shawty low junior lost his mother and his dad. Mm-hmm. That was on my show Right. I saw at his grand. Did he lose his grand-grand-grand-grand? People don't realize that all that was done in the same Yeah, stand stand four years and it would happen in the same year Wow, so, you know These things are happening continuously But people like you and him are able to speak to those victims and help them to understand how to go through their situation So prison ministry would be great for somebody like you because you could help so many guys just going through that That's what i'm doing now. You go you do prison ministry. So that's that's big That's why we have to be an example and help others We have to reach back and snatch people out of the fire that's going through it, bro So i appreciate you, man. Thank you, brother. How long you been doing the prison ministry? I got it started this year That's hard. That's so trinity team. That's what that's what my non-profit was found, you know So you really really would see murder being locked up. It's a place in your heart where you want to find a way to Understand how to make him feel free. Right because I talked to when I say his camp is not his family It's the lawyers that are always called correct. So when they call and I'm able to speak articulate where they can understand and we got to a point where we're not yelling and cussing and What you just asked he asked the same thing like what you guys want And I explained like peace of an apology the money was never the issue But if that's the case because that's what he was talking as well And I was like my parents should have been awarded that because they won that So that should have been given without them asking for anything I said, but this is not why I'm here what I want personally will be in a heartfelt apology And if you didn't do it if you say you didn't do it Then tell me who did it but with this It's hard for me to believe that you didn't do it And when I look another man in the eye, that's a a known killer in a known street guy who told me you the one who killed My brother you got no reason to lie to me wow, man It's tough man. Like I said, we lost two lives That day or that at that time we lost sea murder and we lost your brother You lost two people to system And ain't nothing we can really you know, there's no justification in that. You know what I mean Um, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you guys How can people reach out to you if they want to talk to you or They could hit me up through the the youtube is the trinity team channel I even give you guys my phone number. Like I said, I don't have nothing to hide. I ain't scared. It's five zero four Two eight nine one two nine zero. Wow. Thank you so much for coming on the show It's been another great segment a boss talk 101 What a boss is talk and we out