 I'm Bob Darnton, the Harvard University Librarian, and I'm here to introduce this panel and to give you a much more precise idea of what's going on. As you know, the DPLA is, in a way, the new kid on the block, born yesterday. But in actual fact, you could say that the inspiration for the DPLA, sure enough, goes back to the founding fathers, the people who are enshrined in the National Archives. And I think, actually, Jefferson put it perfectly when he described what he called the action of the thinking power called an idea as a process of transmitting light. Quote, he who receives an idea from me receives instruction himself without lessening mind as he who lights his taper candle at mind receives light without darkening me. End quote. Now, I have to admit that the devil can quote Jefferson. And it's easy to sound high-minded about enlightenment. It's also difficult to translate abstract principles into concrete reality. After all, someone had to pay for Jefferson's taper, his candle. And Jefferson himself was not great at business plans especially when it came to running Monticello. So the time has come for action, practical action, business plans included. The DPLA has now reached the stage where it needs to tap another American tradition that can do no nonsense pioneering and pragmatic spirit that also accompanied the founding of the Republic. America was built in large part by entrepreneurs. And enterprise was often public spirited. I mean, think of Andrew Carnegie. He used his private wealth to build public libraries across the entire continent, opening access to knowledge for millions of Americans who had had very little contact with books. We need a Carnegie system for the 21st century, one that will make the cultural heritage of humanity accessible to everyone, to K through 12 schools, to students in community colleges, to startup experimenters in garages, senior citizens in retirement communities, ordinary people everywhere with a love of literature, a thirst for learning, a desire to get ahead, and curiosity about the world surrounding them. Well, we can do it. We can make it happen. In fact, it is already happening. And therefore, we would like to report on the work in progress among six groups organized by the DPLA secretariat with the mission to tackle key issues that must be resolved if we are to get this library up and running, at least in a preliminary phase, 18 months from now. So the first report will come from Peggy Rudd. She's director and librarian of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. And she will report on the work done and to be done in the audience and participation work stream. Peggy. And my co-chair for audience and participation is Carla Hayden at the Unit Pratt Public Library. As you can see, our version of the mission statement is still a work in progress. But this is what we created. And I had a very lively group of individuals and we engaged in very rich conversation yesterday. But our mission is to create a digital public library of America that is a trusted first platform for knowledge online and is universally accessible, participatory, and compelling for all. And the next slide, I think, is the members of the work group. No, it's not. Well, anyway. OK. Yeah, we'll keep moving. Our top priorities, because that was the next thing that we were to really focus our attention on, is and also the questions that need to be researched or need to be delved into is the cultural relevance of what's in the DPLA. We want to foster social interaction, provide a pivot point for people's lives as they're interacting and intersecting with the DPLA. And that would be universally accessible. What is the killer app? Was one of the questions that was asked. A service that's user focused and that enables collaboration between and among users. What are the issues around privacy and openness? There's dynamic tension there. But we certainly think that we've got to delve into that somewhat so that we can preserve patron privacy, something that's always been important to libraries and foster openness. And then communication with libraries. We've got to let libraries know. All the libraries out there know what DPLA is. Where are we now at this stage? Our top challenges? Well, what is the DPLA? We've spent a lot of time talking about that. And we will continue to do so. DPLA needs to be the first or second place that people visit to access information or use to enable access to information. If it goes beyond that, we feel it will be lost. There's a tension between, as we talked about earlier, the traditional role of libraries and the evolving new roles of libraries in the digital age. And we feel that one of our top challenges is understanding the voice of the typical user, not the person who might enjoy a great deal of success with DPLA, but those individuals who might need to have additional support in order to benefit. Our work products, we want a blueprint for libraries so that libraries can understand how they can interact with the Digital Public Library of America and how they can help their patrons interact. Talking points for librarians to bring back to their funders, because that's something that I think is a great concern that we don't want the funding for public libraries to suffer as a result of the unintended consequence of local government officials thinking that, ah, we've got a national digital public library. We don't need to fund our local library any longer. Defining our audiences based on the services that we want to provide, because those are going to be many if you saw them, beta sprints. We also came up with those individuals that we think need to be added to the conversation among them, school librarians, educators, representatives from the public at large, content creators, authors, and publishers. And then you can see some of the service priorities that we felt were very important for us to focus on as we begin our work on the DPLA. So, and as you can see, these people have been hard at work yesterday. We had a whole series of discussions. I probably should have explained that. And they are reporting on the results of these work groups, but the work groups in the working streams have been expanding and expanding, certainly public librarians have now become key players in defining what the digital public library of America is. So the second work group dealt with content and scope. Rachel Frick, who is director of the Digital Library Federation Program, will report on it. Yeah, I felt like content and scope was the pretty girl at the prom because everybody kept on saying, well, we gotta know what's in content and scope before we decide technical or the audience. But I think it's one of these things about the work streams that are working in parallel and it's really important that we talk amongst each other as we go forward. Some of the things we've already talked about today really inform the conversation in content and scope. And it was the philosophies around open, interoperable, the idea of permanent and persistence and how it relates to trust and building trust in the DPLA as a trusted resource. And working with people who are willing and able to contribute to the DPLA in a non-competitive and collaborative way. But it was really important not only to build collections, but to build community and that the DPLA added a unique value. So to that end, this was our mission statement. It's still in work. I mean, we were wordsmithing sometimes for just probably too much time. But to read what's already behind me, it's to facilitate the discovery and exposure of digital heritage content for permanent open public access for the enhancement of knowledge in community. And we hope to this end in the next 18 months that content and scope work stream will identify and engage digital content providers and producers who are willing to participate in the DPLA content building. We want to leverage and build interest with people who we see could be brokers that are content aggregators like the Internet Archive, Hottie Trust, the IMLS DCC and Art Store. We also want to foster open and transparent conversations about collection development for the DPLA. So really engage the public at large in this conversation on what are valuable collections to be part of the DPLA. And we want to encourage digital content creation and help facilitate the discovery of more content through the digital collection. And we see what our top three challenges are. We're to define what we mean by content, to define what we mean when we say we're including this in the DPLA and compare what we were saying, our rules of engagement or what we think and kind of the other challenge was coordinating with the other work streams for us. So in the next couple of months, I think our top priorities were to identify those content communities and their corresponding, what we call community advocates or point people to help us identify the barriers for participation with the DPLA. What would be the incentives to participate in the DPLA? And what are the rewards for contribution to the DPLA? And to flesh out the whole idea between the relationships between access, persistence, and preservation. Thank you. So as you can see, Rachel has been dealing with these questions quite a long time and so has the Digital Library Federation program. So when I said we're the new kid on the block, I really meant it. I mean, a lot of people have been working on these issues for a long time. So we're grateful to you for bringing that experience to it. The third group dealt with the financial and business models. That work stream has a lot of work ahead of it and many of you may be curious to know where the money is going to come. Well, Kevin Guthrie has some revelations there, I hope. Anyhow, he can tell us what's up. He is, as you know, president of Ithaca and has contributed enormously to this whole endeavor. Revelations may be too strong a word, Bob. I think at this point, we're kind of at a race where we've got a lot of interdependencies and it's ready to set go and we're trying to pull together all the different parts and some points in our conversation. We have a group of about 10 and Paul Courant is our chair of our meeting group. And our mission is pretty simple, is to explore and develop mechanisms to generate the ongoing support for the DCLA. And in thinking about that, we felt it was really important to think about how to generate recurring demand for this enterprise and what it provides because if we can generate recurring demand, then we will be able to generate the recurring supply of funds to support it. So we talked about that. And a lot of what we were doing in the discussion was identifying the kinds of issues that we really needed to address and where we needed to get the input in order as the people thinking about the business modeling, what was the input that we had to have in order to make certain kinds of recommendations? So the first two key areas were the content, what is going to be in the DPLA? And the second was audience. Those are the two key questions and those of you who built internet resources, web-based resources, those are the issues you have to address. I think that the scope of this enterprise is quite large as we've talked about and that's okay. But at some point, some choices will have to be made in terms of priorities. And when those choices are made, then it will be helpful. That's when the business group and the business modeling group can start to think about where to start on certain aspects. The secondary pieces obviously on the cost side, the technical solutions and the governance are gonna play a big role in thinking about and helping to determine those. So we know that the DPLA is going to represent a diverse collection of things that are available and also that they'll be supported by a diverse set of resources. But again, we're gonna need priority. Another thing that we talked about a lot was the importance of marketing and communications and advocacy. And by marketing, we don't mean just printing out some brochures. It's that full understanding of exactly what it is, the value that this is going to provide and being able to communicate it effectively. Clearly in certain ways, we're seeing the benefit of this as a great marketing in the sense of creating awareness of this resource and the excitement around it. It's really a movement that's being built and how the question for us is how to institutionalize that movement. There were some key assumptions that we thought we needed to make sure were rock solid before we could go forward. I think the key one was just this notion that access to content by the DPLA would be free at the point of use by the end user that has implications about what your options are for the way to generate funds. And so we sort of said in the group, if that's not the assumption, tell us now, we need to know now in order to make some adjustments. The key questions, we tried to surface some questions that we thought would be really important for this community, for the steering group, in terms of setting priorities. And we think that if you, these are some bold line distinctions. Will the DPLA actually hold content? Will it actually have content? I mean, it's a key question, whether it's going to have it or only distribute it, if it's only going to have metadata. That's a key fork in the road, we thought. Will the DPLA take any kind of direct responsibility for preservation? We've heard the word preservation today in a variety of ways. There is a risk that if the DPLA says it's about preservation in certain kinds of ways, that a lot of projects distributed around would rely on the DPLA without the DPLA being being resourced to be able to take on those responsibilities. So a key question is, what is the preservation responsibility that DPLA would be prepared to take? And I think one of the things that came up again and again, we heard a lot today was in thinking about audience and funding, if the DPLA is to be supported by municipalities, governments, local, and be a part of local public library infrastructure, the thing that we said was, the big question's going to be, what's in it for the kids? And we have to really think about that from the standpoint of audience and content. So we brainstormed a little bit about possible models, I mean, without having these sort of things to determine them. Membership was one thing that we thought about a little bit, and what would motivate members, like what would motivate public libraries to become members, not necessarily in a financial way, but just in terms of supporting the enthusiastically, obviously government funding is a major potential part of this. Philanthropic funding, we actually didn't know about the announcements that were coming today, but clearly institutional foundation funding and other agencies is going to play a role. As is the opportunity that was raised in one of the questions earlier for individual donations and philanthropic gifts. Another issue that came up that we thought a bit about is how at this point, there's a lot of infrastructure that exists that maybe isn't being used as much as it was before or could be repurposed. We have to think of the sort of Presidio model in San Francisco, where some infrastructure is out there that maybe could be repurposed, both in terms of physical infrastructure and in kind services that could be provided. A really key thing that we talked about obviously is at the end, the devil's gonna be in the details and how this works, but we really need to think carefully about the distinction between capital one-time costs and the recurring costs of supporting this and not to get completely caught up in just the capital one-time costs but thinking about the recurring. And finally, we thought a little bit about the possible work products and things that we could do that might be helpful as we continue to think about this and research. I mentioned the notion of the existing infrastructure. Doing some research into the inventory, thinking about what is out there, where are there places where there might be infrastructure that could be repurposed. We also thought about the possibility of a paper that synthesizes existing research about the ways that making information freely and widely available can support economic growth. The sort of thought that free content can actually generate economic value, which is a compelling argument for governments that trying to synthesize the research that's already out there. And then finally, conducting research in thinking about this question that keeps coming up about the role of the public library. One of the things that kind of came up as a brainstorm in our group was if there were a DPLA, if there was this kind of organization and brand and a local public library was thinking about or a historical society or whatever it might be was thinking about digitizing content. If it were affiliated with this larger national organization of the DPLA, would that increase the likelihood it could make the case locally that for the funding to do the digitization? We thought that actually was, that could be a compelling way to try to raise funds in local contexts. And so we thought we might wanna conduct some research into the degree to which people felt in the local community. That having that kind of affiliation would help support it. So that was the range of things that we talked about clearly more questions and inquiries and answers, but starting to develop a framework for how to think about the business model for this. Thank you, Kevin. As you see, there are a lot of questions and you probably have a lot of questions. So we are galloping through these presentations to leave time for your questions as well. The next presenter is Susan Hildreth whom you've already met, director of the Institute for Museum and Library Services. She will report on the discussions of the governance work stream. Well, good afternoon. And I'm reporting on behalf of our work stream that is ably co-chaired by John Paul Frey and David Ferriero. So we really don't have to worry about anything else. They will figure it all out. But what our goal is is to develop a system of decision-making and management for DPLA. And I think what we all found in our work yesterday, as Bob said, there are more questions than answers, but I think the first thing I'd like to say in terms of governance is that I am so thrilled to see all these interested parties in this room and staying till, what is it, almost four o'clock on a Friday afternoon. So either your planes are late or you don't have anywhere else to go but I'm excited that you're here. So I don't want anybody to think, well, what went on? Yeah, what went on on Thursday? And why didn't we know about Thursday? We have a group of dedicated individuals who are trying to get this off the ground and give it some lift. But we first want everyone to know that this is a very open process. So all of our minutes, all of our activities, all of our notes are public and if anyone has a particular interest in joining any of these work streams, I'm sure that you would be welcome to do that. So we're really just kind of self-organizing ourselves and we would welcome your contributions or your involvement. So one of the things that we initially talked about was models for organization. And it's challenging when you don't really know what you're gonna be but we did brainstorm some models that we thought we could do further research on, think about, learn from. And again, I would ask all of you if I don't know that anybody's worked on anything quite like this but if you have suggested models, please share them with us. We first thought about the obviously relevant models that we're all familiar with. We talked about web organization and there are many different web organizations but we were particularly interested in the IETF that both Carl Malamud and Brewster Kale were involved in. This is an organization where the qualifications for membership was that you had to come to the meetings in sandals and voting was done by the loudest hum. So it had some interesting protocols and I don't know that will mimic those but we had a very enjoyable time hearing about the IETF. It is apparently notorious in the web world. We thought a little bit about libraries and in our group was Maureen Sullivan, incoming president of ALA and we suggested ALA and she said, well I know that's gonna go off the table pretty quickly and if there are ALA members in here you may be aware of that but it is a model that we could look at. We also thought about looking at the Europe Piana model that I think has worked quite well there but that's a number of states and we're one big organization that state countries and we're one big country so it's not necessarily parallel but we also wanna look at public private partnerships because ultimately that's what this enterprise I think is going to be so we thought about PBS and BBC. We thought there might be some potentially relevant models for us to consider research networks which though many of us are familiar with in our states in terms of connectivity and bringing high bandwidth to all of our institutions there could be commercial models we wanna consider global compacts, scholarly organizations and social movements. Now it's interesting that I really get a sense that we are in the midst of a social movement so out of all these different models there may be a synthesis that we come up with that we feel is the best way to manage this very ambitious enterprise but I think the most important thing for all of you to know is that one we're thinking about it too we are very open to ideas from all of you. We also talked about models for participation which is going to be a topic that's gonna be very much aligned I think with the financial and business work in developing DPLA. So we thought that there could be different models or levels for participation and as we said in terms of the content there is a basic assumption that there will be content available to any individual for free and we believe that that is a hallmark really of this enterprise. But we also thought that there could be institutional members that would be really contributing materials as well as making the materials available for their audience or their clients but institutions that contribute materials as our major research library some of our major historical societies that have really special content all of our federal partners they may have a certain level of access and or benefits that institutions that may wanna participate in DPLA but not necessarily contribute content there would be some differentiation there. We also in terms of your question about will the DPLA hold content? We really think that ultimately even if we do end up holding some content we will also be a federated system of a number of major nodes of information around the country and if we identified an institution as a node for DPLA what requirements would be involved in that what benefits would come from that. So we also were really beginning to think about how institutions would participate knowing that an individual would be able to have access to materials for free. That's not to say that as a collective we might not feel that our collective energy would allow us to enter into some extended licensing agreements with various publishers. I think we all know that the publishing model the e-book model and access to e-books through our public library structure is really a challenging topic and something that's really just evolving at the time and we think that DPLA may be able to play a role in that we certainly didn't make any decision in that way but we might be able to aggregate content so that some of our institutions or municipal jurisdictions might want to contribute something to DPLA to provide access but ultimately there will be a basic level of material that will be available free for all and we also thought we might have some special levels of institutional institutions joining us again federal agencies, state libraries other special agencies that may not be able to participate for some reason but we wanna have that data available to us. Again I'm gonna reinforce that we believe that we're operating on basic principles of openness and inclusion and that all are welcome so I'm sure many of you will go home and talk to your friends and colleagues about this and if they're interested in getting involved that's, we welcome that, that's very exciting. At least from the governance point of view and all our other work streams too but we are committed to try to make sure we get things done and by doing that in order to do that and we hope to ramp up an actual organization so that it's in place within 18 months because our wonderful welcome this at the Berkman Center we know the Berkman Center launches projects and then they go off and have a life of their own so we wanna get a life of our own going here within 18 months. So we may identify small work streams work workshops may go on task force we will make the information about those openly available to you anyone can participate but we will be getting things done so as this enterprise evolves we'll be doing what it takes to get it done but we also will be letting everyone know about that. One of our big to-dos in the governance work stream is developing or identifying a model or standard for open meetings and we'd like to have a standard that we adopt as an enterprise so if anyone lives in a state where you like your privacy or open meeting laws or if anybody knows of a crackerjack one they wanna use I would say we don't wanna use the city and county of San Francisco one which can be challenging having lived through that but we will identify a flexible norm that we think works for us and really can be a public statement about our openness and also we will enforce norms for participation at all our group meetings everyone's been very well behaved today but we will make sure we identify a chair of a meeting have agendas for those meetings have open mailing lists and also if we do have a situation where someone is challenging deal with them appropriately but in terms of having open meetings we certainly want all our meetings to be open that does not necessarily imply that an individual who's an observer at a meeting will have an opportunity to comment not that they wouldn't do that but we will have a clear protocol for dealing with handling of all our activities so I think the governance group I think really wants to move forward we're very excited about our opportunities and I do think that all of us here in the work groups will be working together as best as we can but we are dedicated in our governance work stream to have some kind of an organization up and running in 18 months well thank you Susan you see 18 months that's tomorrow yeah and this is urgent but it's serious it's for real and everyone is invited to participate in this I'm sure you have lots of ideas and your point about this is a movement is well taken I mean I sense it here the energy in this room and the energy that's been expressed yesterday as well as today is symptomatic of a movement that's gathering force so please spread the word and don't hesitate to let the governance committee and the DPLA in general know your thoughts on that subject but we have other subjects notably the legal and policy work streams affairs Jason Schultz who is associate director at the Samuelson Law Technology and Public Policy Clinic at the University of California at Berkeley School of Law we'll report on that Jason Great thanks so Dave Hansen and I from UC Berkeley convened the legal and policy work stream on behalf of the co-chairs Pamela Samuelson and Jim Neal from Columbia and really started to talk about what role a legal work stream legal policy work stream would play in this process which is you can tell sort of a parallel process and those of us who've had a lot of experience working with kind of innovative experimental kind of emerging technologies and organizations have learned that the lawyers probably shouldn't lead that actually our best role that we can play is to provide support and guidance and to be listening for things that might need some inputs but to really play supporting and sort of strategic role to make sure everything goes smoothly but not to get in the way of everything or anything actually and so kind of as you'll see from the mission statement we tried to sort of portray that philosophy a bit and really to sort of think about our role in terms of helping the DPLA balance any legal risks that are perceived building a broad digital collection and enabling experiments and progress in access and so those are sort of the two things we thought we'd focus on in terms of our conversations was thinking about how do you build this collection and how do you really provide broad access and the kind of experiments that are gonna happen how can we be supportive of that? So in terms of that the sort of three main things that we decided to focus on in terms of what our priorities would be would be helping to establish best practices guidelines or policy guides like so if things come up and people wanna have sort of a best practice for how to deal with a particular situation a particular set of works how to make them available we can provide some of that in terms of investigating emerging problems so many of you might know about orphan works works where it's hard to find a copyright owner but you wanna make it accessible things like that that's a problem that has been emerging for quite a while but is really out there and so in terms of that identifying the common policy issues what the available solutions are things like that and then there's an option to organize some workshops I think over the next 18 months we'll be wanting to organize some of our own but also partner with other work streams to identify what some of those could be so some of our thoughts were in the area of access there's a lot of discussion around the best way to provide access to say those with disabilities especially visually impaired people issues around digital lending and sort of what are sort of the best practices there in terms of acquisition out of print books, orphan works and also looking at some of the licensing options especially Creative Commons and other open licensing options there and then finally patron privacy which has come up a couple of times that's also an area where policies can play an important role especially in terms of how you design your systems and what kind of architecture or code you use and so those are some of the things that sort of came up for us but we're really looking to play a supportive role whereas issues are arising or if there are other places we can be sort of strategically helpful we'll be there. Good, thank you, Jason you can see that everything is connected with everything else and that's one of the difficulties of getting organized because the legal issues are connected with the content which is connected with the governance and the finances and so on but I think you did a heroic job of sorting through some of the legal issues and we're counting on lawyerly help in the future but meanwhile the last of the technical work streams or the last of the work streams was indeed technical and Martin Kalfatovitz as he's the associate director of the Smithsonian Institution Libraries and I must say in general Martin it's great that the Smithsonian is so solidly behind the DPL effort so we're grateful for that pass the word on to your boss but meanwhile can you tell us what's been going on here? First I'd like to thank the rest of the technical work stream group it was a really good group of people I think we came together very well also my co-chair of the group which is Chris Freeland of the Missouri Botanical Garden I think it's suitable that the technical group is going last in a situation like this because really what we need to do is build on the work of everything else that's gone before us I think if the technical group does its work well we'll appear invisible to the eventual product that comes out of the DPLA or even better yet it'll be as orificly C. Clarke said it'll appear as magic so again what we hope to do is to become invisible and appear as magic for the rest of the DPLA some of the challenges we noted the first one is we need to actually to achieve that magic is to clarify the technical deliverables of the DPLA so what we really need to do is figure out what those key technical things are that we'll need to create within the technical environment the second is we'll want to be a collaborative development team so in addition to all of the work that gets done directly with DPLA and that comes out of the beta sprints and the other products that are out there we really need to collaborate with those to create whatever the eventual DPLA product will be the other thing is we need to be able to provide input to the rest of the work streams in terms of feasibility of these ideas it's very important that we have great ideas but at the same time it's important that they need technically feasible at the same time so those are the challenges that we felt we faced in terms of those deliverables we had a number of thoughts in mind one of the things is that we as Susan mentioned we really do need to have the killer app so there needs to be the killer app that appears within the DPLA environment and one of the things we think the killer AppleD will actually be interoperability and openness so I think that's the key thing that we need to do is have all of this data available in ways that people can build their own shiny things on top of it while at the same time building a shiny thing that we can actually deliver within our 18 month timeframe the other thing is we want to have a plenty of open systems and services APIs that enable other people to build their own localized views of this content so again this can push it out to local libraries, historical societies and museums around the country so that they can repurpose this content integrate it with their own content for their own local communities one of our short term deliverables is we do want to do a more thorough analysis of all of the data sprint competitors so that we can actually see what's actually out there what parts are best used and how we can integrate all of that work into the final products we also want this to be a very participatory experience for the rest of the work streams one of the things we want to do is again develop the code as openly as possible and as visibly as possible so again the code will be openly deposited in some of the primary sources that you can get code at so we're thinking the source for GitHub, Google code, et cetera so appropriate places where code can be watched as it gets developed the other thing is that we want to be able to as a deliverable make sure that or for public participation make sure that we can enable the use reuse of the metadata the objects and collections and code within DPLA so again whatever goes into DPLA should be able to come out of DPLA and be reused in whatever systems services environments that are out there the other key thing that we looked at was some of the related projects and we don't want to reinvent the wheel so what other projects are out there that we can use ideas, code, et cetera so again looking to sort of large scale models you have the YouTube model you have the Flickr model in terms of public participation of creative content we have numerous really good scanning examples that come out of the Internet Archive from a number of different workflows and different participating libraries in that environment there's also the personal library tools and citation management tools library thing was mentioned earlier today Zotero, Omega, so Mendeley are all other tools that really will sort of layer on top of this content so you can use it in different ways again we also have lots of collections registries, institutional repositories and museum collections how can those projects inform the development here also we don't want to ignore the commercial side of the world and we have lots of good examples that sort of network large scale network development so you have things like Amazon how is Amazon delivering content and then also the sort of systems that are done by some of the really interesting commercial services so you have Hulu, Netflix, Spotify, Overdrive, iTunes what kinds of model would they give to a DPLA and of course the big indexing services and other digital libraries Europe Yon has been mentioned a lot today I think that's a very key model the whole Wiki community Wikipedia, Wikimedia, all of that Freebase, OCLC and then again some of the other types of services along those lines so we're hoping to work within the community and again build on what we get from the rest of the work streams to do that our key first goal I think is actually to have a joint meeting with the content and legal group to see what some of those main parameters are going to be for the initial builds thank you so everyone has kept to the time limit heroically and that means that we have a good 15 minutes left for discussion I hope you're not feeling exhausted but the energy level really is very high and now you've got at least a glimpse a preliminary glimpse of the kind of organization the kinds of financing technological support and so on that will constitute DPLA so please ask questions and I can't see too well but if someone can put their hand visibly up we can get things started there's a hand in the very back maybe a microphone is on its own route thank you and if you would please identify yourself so Martín Gomez Los Angeles Public Library the question has to do with the messages in part but also the bigger frame in my mind has to do here we are in Washington D.C. I'm curious we've got is there already some outreach or messages being floated over with some legislators here about this project and the need for some support all of us have congressional delegates back home and I know it may be a little premature but I can't imagine that there's not some discussion about this at some level what is the thinking behind getting some engagement with the congressional leadership about this project a very good question that has been haunting a lot of people can anyone answer it well I'm tempted actually to ask some of the local such as maybe Susan it's not as if you are a congresswoman but I bet you occasionally cross paths with this other race what do you think the prospects are talking about this yesterday as well and I think we all really wanted to get a good assessment of how the meeting went today and then I know that the folks at the Berkman Center are going to be at least developing some press releases and getting some information out in terms of talking with our elected officials and I also would love if David might want to chime in here as well you know this is an absolutely wild time in D.C. and we have the super committee here in D.C. that's working to get the big budget deal done by the end of November and we're all all the agencies here are working on continuing resolutions we don't have budgets we hear maybe they'll be done by November before the super committee it's really kind of chaotic it's not to say that isn't a good time I don't know that they would hear much with all that noise but I do think it's something that at least at the steering committee level we need to develop a plan for when we want to make all of the legislators aware that this is going on now there are some legislators that are interested in digital information and aware that it has a big impact on their communities and it could be we want to try to identify some who we know will be very familiar and supportive of our general efforts even if we're not doing any kind of a funding ask but I would I would really like David to chime in and also I don't mean to call on John John said he wasn't going to talk anymore but maybe Bob has some ideas but David do you have any thoughts on that yes there's a phone microphone for David there he goes is a lot of interest on the hill and in the White House so those of you who have not read the presidents the report that went to the president at the end of December designing a digital future three billion dollar initiative there are places for us in that initiative the hill is very interested in anything at all related to K-12 so when I have been talking about this with my contacts on the hill I have been pitching it in terms of its value to the K-12 community I was invited to Hartford not within the last three weeks by Congressman John Larson who was a former history teacher to talk about our product Docs Teach to a group of superintendents and teachers from the Hartford Connecticut area and talked about the digital public library of America to keep their eyes on that as another source of content so in my in my own contacts I have been kind of planting seeds that this is something to pay attention to. We have the very first ever House Caucus on the National Archives has just been formed we're having our first meeting up on the hill sometime towards the end of November it's something that I'm going to be talking about with members of the House Caucus so there are lots of opportunities. So thank you David you put in a good word for the DPLA among the lawyers and people interested in the law there has been a lot of discussion about possibly an attempt to pass orphan book legislation and I before the next question comes I'd like to ask Jason what do you think of this I mean should we be writing to our congressman saying never mind about the budget crisis orphan books really couch. The answer has been laid out before me like any good professor. So I I think that dealing with what are called orphan works which are defined in many different ways some people will think of them as works that just cannot commercially viable like out of print some people think of them as hard to find the copyright owners there are lots of different sort of ways to sort of look at that issue and the thing is like there is this desire sometimes to have like a one stop shop solution and let's just put in front of Congress but actually I think there are solutions already happening people are dealing with these different sets of works and collections in ways which they're able to move forward that the law allows them to under various doctrines including things like fair use and so actually think that we want to explore all the strategies if it gets to the point where it makes sense to think about trying to push on a change in law I think then obviously that's something that has to be considered but I I think given some of the comments already made right I mean I think you don't want to necessarily get there until you have to and I actually think there are a lot of places to go first before you even have to consider that so it's not that it's off the table but yeah I think like many of these things I think we have a lot of innovative creative places to go and I think the law supports that thank you other questions I'm sure you have plenty I see a hand over there I hesitate to speak again on communication since the last conversation but my sense is that the conversation on communications is top down it's policy down it's the higher end use issues in terms of communication to the people who are involved in decision-making and or policy of one form or another I think that there's still a need for us to look at if you will the Reader's Digest and Parade Magazine reader and bringing the notion of what DPLA is and what it could mean to those people who are not thinking on the level of planning a K-12 course or planning an academic exercise or doing research of one form or another but would look to what a DPLA could provide in terms of embedded learning environments and on the on the fly learning on demand learning or just in general entertainment of one form or another reading still can be entertaining I think on that said I think you know where we have to look at the bottom of that's a very horrible phrase to use we have to look at multiple facets let me phrase it that way as opposed to you can't avoid it but you know top and bottom we have to go the whole the whole gamut so one consideration is to work this communication set of problems into the actual discussion that will be going on through the various work streams and I think we have to find a way to do that certainly with the kind of user in mind that you've developed that you mentioned you know the ordinary reader certainly not the college professor but the kind of person who's curious about the world surrounding him or her and then people who want to have fun I mean I would actually go beyond entertainment I think books and reading and looking at items are also fun so we want to build that in at least in my opinion and we will take that very seriously as we go through the next streams of work streams so thank you I saw a hand over here and then maybe someone on this side of the room my name is Tali I'm a student at Simmons College um my issue is one of um ideology rather than logistics and I know that you're mainly dealing with logistics so um we're talking about openness we're talking about access we're talking about social movements and as a I'm I'm getting my library science degree but I'm also getting my public history degree and I'm a little bit dismayed that DPLA is choosing to invoke the name of Andrew Carnegie as an ideological foundation because while some may know him as a benefactor of libraries um actually the the reason that he funded the Homestead library was because of the public um uproar in his direct involvement of the murder of workers in his own mill and this might seem nitpicky I know this might seem nitpicky but as the DPLA continues and I know you'll be working with public historians and institutions um cultural heritage institutions I don't think that um this will be the first time that this is brought up because um coming from the public history side Andrew Carnegie is definitely a hot topic and people love to talk about him and pick him apart and um so I just sort of wanted to put that out there and right but I think that is really important but but I will say that whenever I talk about Carnegie and his role in libraries I always focus on uh not on him as a person or what his motivation was um because I I think that there there are some really problematic areas when you look at the fullness of his uh motivation but to think about his role in partnering with local communities is what he did was he built the libraries but only on the condition that that community would continue to support that library so sustainability so when I talk about Carnegie and public libraries that's really what I focus on and I don't think anybody here would want to focus on any other aspect of of Carnegie I think what Bob was really referring to is we need someone else who is going to have that same vision of partnership if you're if if they can help us build it then those of us in this room are going to have to help all of our respective groups and institutions and individuals that we represent use that resource to the fullest so I don't know if that helps any but the fact and the questions about his motivation but um in the in the last conversation about a public message um not that we necessarily want to overstate that but when you think about libraries when you think about knowledge in this country the name Carnegie whatever the backstory might be is emblematic of that and as Peggy said we know that he did a lot in communities to ensure that those communities would have sustainable facilities but like it or not it's somewhat iconic and when you talk about libraries with the general public the the Carnegie you know raises this not this well it's really recollection of their wonderful building their dusty old building when they went when they were kids which we want to get away from and uh I notice I think that the Gates folks have left the audience which I don't know if that's good or bad but I personally talk about Bill Gates as a 21st century Andrew Carnegie which I think he has done and I would I shouldn't say that in front of Doran Weber in The Sloan who's done so much for this effort but I do think we uh I I think when we think about messaging um we want to be careful with that but we also need to be aware of some of these iconic images that really can have an impact with our generic user that we're talking about our reader reader's digest person who I frankly think is going to be excited by DPLA because of their easy access to amazing information and a lot of it could really be local I'm really excited to hope that we can provide a platform where some of our local information that is so exciting to uh folks all around the country and is probably never going to be mounted anywhere but is so unique and so important uh and could rally a community for their pride and their interest and what is unique and sharing that with the rest of the world and seeing that I think that's that's a great step forward but I think the messaging messaging is critical and we do I do appreciate your your sensitivity on that well I'm glad you raised the point and I actually did hesitate before invoking the name of Carnegie as well as Jefferson who's you know there were parts of Jefferson's past but what in my view one of the things that makes this country distinctive is private foundations who work for the public good the DPLA is going to depend at least for its launch for really getting started on private foundations and they are founded by the Rockefellers the Carnegie's and so on and so on so I feel that we're different from Europeans in that respect the Europeans depend on the state they don't have a philanthropic tradition that is in any way comparable to what is done here so we might as well be open about it maybe we shouldn't run the Carnegie flag up the flagpole too high but the Carnegie Foundation is one foundation that I hope will support the DPLA but we need this kind of a debate so thank you for making the point and I think there's a question on this side of the room hi my name is Jen Rydom from the Free Library of Philadelphia and I have more of a logistical question do you see and I think this covers almost all of your groups do you see any conflict with institutions especially public libraries continuing to use their digitally created items and images for revenue generating services for the libraries or would you expect everything to be put out there with a complete open license for Texas we have rules regarding what public libraries in the state if they want to be accredited what they can charge for and so we expect them to make everything that's available in their library whether it's digital or it's for loan in a physical format available for free now not every state will have a different a different law or regulation but but in our state that's the way we handle it maybe Kevin Guthrie has some thoughts on that because just real quick I think that's a very good point that this young lady made and I think it bears further research and discussion because even as we were sitting here discussing all these topics I know that in for instance I've worked at the San Francisco Public Library the Seattle Public Library in many cases there particularly if photographs are being made available for commercial purposes either the library or the Friends or Foundation get some kind of a fee for that so those are the kinds of you know the details that that we're going to have to work out so I think that is an important question that we're going to have to deal with well just to speak on that there's been a lot of research done about this about sharing data and sharing images and it's definitely when we are talking about content and scope what does it mean when we're including or what does it mean when you contribute are you contributing metadata are you contributing objects but um there is a lot of information about this and I think the one thing about DPLA that for me makes it very exciting is that what you deposit or bring to the DPLA should be open for reuse for anybody whether that's commercial or non-commercial and so if the home library still wants to commercialize their images and give them to the DPLA I think having the freedom to do that and the space to do that is a great thing to consider in building the DPLA. I have to look at my watch I know there probably are many more discussions but David Ferriot has some things to say we have some things to say about David which are mainly thank you we really appreciate it. The floor is yours David and there may be some other questions as well at this point. I think we have come to the moment of gleeful rendezvous. Next time we should have wine with this wrap up. You have all now become official DPLA groupies by your attendance here you're part of a new social movement it's been an honor to have you occupying my house today. A couple of high points for me today were the announcements from Europeana about the collaboration with us already. We're not even we're not even up but we have a collaboration already and I'm especially interested in the migration exhibit that's coming just because of my own history and what I've discovered since I've been here about how my grandparents got into the country. The wonderful gifts from Sloan and Arcadia thank you very much for your support. David Weinberger's comment about having his head and heart exploding in inter exploding to inter-operate I think that's a wonderful wonderful takeaway for today. David are you still here? David has a new book coming out. When is it coming out? Middle of December it's a book if those of you who are worried about information overload forget it. David is going to share some insights with you. You've heard multiple visions of DPLA which is what's so exciting about today is that this is very much a work in progress and this is an invitation for you to contribute. One of the nicest things I heard today was the use of DPLA as a verb. You can DPLA it. I mean that's that's major major major. The beta sprints and the lightning round were exciting glimpses of what could be quickly quickly created which is an indication of I think our ability to move quickly on on this as Bob said 18 months is not very far away and I loved Carl's metaphors of reservoirs and bridges very much what we're about here and Bob said and I will close with we can do it so let's do it thank you all for being here