 I'm gonna start So There we are No, it's not fun yet. This is the boring part It can be both if it's maybe a zero maybe no, you'll have to check it out. Yeah, it's a zero So this is a talk called kitty a thousand nerds arguing wildly like you notice. We're not that many here whether that's because Lydia scared them all away With her threats of violence or if it was we were missed in that little application that they made I don't know It's gonna be fine This talk comes with a few rules first of all my name is Ian straight away. I assume most of you know I'm in the KDE design group And I'm also very agoraphobic. I always say this in front of all talks that I may freak out I may piss myself shit myself punch someone in the front row and then Yeah, yeah, brilliant Lydia is here to make sure that I get driven off to hospital if that happens or if she managed to read my Notes, which I have hidden here This is not a keynote Because keynotes are boring Or a keynote with me with boring. It's a conversation with a cave. It's a conversation on reddit And that is because I want to keep with the theme of the talk Which is a thousand nerds arguing wildly and the theme will be expressed by your possibility To vote up vote or down vote and if you like something I say you raise your thumb up and scream Yes, or yay, and if you don't like something I say you put a give a thumbs down and scream boom If you have questions, you can raise your hands and scream them out or better go to this address which is red thread on the KDE Reddit and Write something down Lydia will read it and then tell me the question Whenever whenever I have a pause in discussions. That's the perfect situation Lydia will ensure that your vote will get heard she will count the a some booze and if there's too many booze I'll try to switch topic. So you have a chance to influence whatever I'm saying All right, and before we start I want to try it. Can we just give like a down vote a boo? More thumbs boo more and louder, please That's brilliant to have on a video by the way like oh check the keynote the boo We have to do a clip of that. Okay. This is not 1984. This is not the hate hour. Just wait Wait, give me a second. Let's about at least talk about it So There we are Whenever I introduce myself on these things. I mentioned that I am an illustrator Before I mentioned that I'm a designer Because that's where I come from. I'm the illustrator first and foremost, right? and The reason I do that is because and this might be a horrible thing to say because there's designers in the crowd Is that I don't like designers very much At all to be quite honest So the signers have a thing there's a very specific class of designer Which believes that everything this guy made ever is the best thing that has ever been made ever ever ever ever And they always do the same weird story, which is a story about when Steve Jobs Walked in on a planning meeting for a CD or DVD burner application and They it always starts up the same way, right? So they were making in 2000 they were making a DVD application a burner for a DVDs and They have been working with us for three weeks. They've been doing this one thing Like there was a group of people they've done this DVD burner thing. They've worked on it They didn't research they've sort of played around with the science. They've done everything and They're supposed to have this meeting with Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs walks in and The story goes that he drew a square on The whiteboard I he loved whiteboards and said this is a box You drop the file in the box and click burn and then it's done This is what we're gonna do and then he left and Designers always go. Oh my god. That's so brilliant. What a genius and All I can think of all I've always been able to think of at those moments is what happened with those guys Like the guys who just worked for weeks and weeks and weeks about like, what are we gonna do? We're gonna do this thing. Oh, it's gonna be a DVD player And then this man walks in and change everything and they have to fix it That's why I don't like this guy and it's a common theme with KD with us specifically for those of us in the visual design group or the design group depending on how you want to say it is That we often get told like we need more design more designing make more designing And they want us to sort of Be bossy and go in and sort of go right. This is what we're gonna do. You're gonna do that You're gonna do that. It's gonna be awesome We're gonna be brilliant together and they want that sort of bossy attitude like they want that glorified Dictator and we can't be that and this talk will sort of talk about why we can't have that sort of bossiness Why we are a thousand nerds arguing wildly and Angrily and why that's can be an actually good thing and When people want us to be more like Steve Jobs and want KD to be more like Apple and be more designing be a little bit more flashy. I'm always sort of thinking that My god, it will be a monster and we wouldn't be able to do that either because we can't be bossy We're should it be bossy. We're not good at it. It would probably be this That's that's that's my image of the future if that came to be Happily insanely screaming conky clutching its own shit Not a pretty sight Like I said, we can't be Steve Jobs, right because we are Angry nerds. We're frustrated. We do our own thing We sort of play around with stupid ideas. Some of us hate what half of us are doing and the other half don't care and That can be a really really awesome idea if we embrace it properly And one of the reasons we can't deal with one of the reasons why it's good by the way It's that structures and that level of hierarchy needed It first of all wouldn't work like I said because imagine it imagine me stepping up to say Alex right and I tell Alex Alex stop what you're doing right now And program this thing this amazing thing what would happen in Alex or anyone else in his room If someone came up to you and told you no, no, no, you're not gonna do the thing you love You're gonna do the thing I love and you're gonna do it now The probable thing would be the infamous invidia salute And we'd see it like that we like no, I'm not gonna do it I'm gonna do something else and goodbye. We're gonna lose people quickly if we start doing that And that's one of the counter arguments really towards that because the point with having this this really thick structure a hierarchy of People a boss who has a boss beneath him or her who has a boss beneath him or her and they all get to the scientific The cool thing with hierarchies is that it's efficient Like you get a unified design you get everything is released really quickly Downside is that it lacks all of the things that we have currently but don't see because again We're angry nerds. We don't sort of appreciate the fact that we're angry nerds Hierarchies is Efficient been doomed is sort of my point and I don't want to use Steve Jobs and Apple because it's talking ill of the dead But it's sort of remarkable that the second the boss disappeared It all just fell down like a house of cards all the fanboys and fangirls went This is horrible and sort of try to raise a seance or something and it didn't work And the reason for that is because of that strict change that we don't have again I want to focus. This is what we don't have but many of us really want and I want to sort of Emphasize why this is so important that we don't have it and how important it is that we embrace what we do have The angry the nerdy the sad and there are many reasons why a strict hierarchy is sort of crud and It's obvious. I mean it's here and it's that clear path of power or absolute trust and That's the main key with hierarchies is that if you don't have if I don't have complete control over you If I can't fire you or throw you out the room, then there's no reason for you to obey me, right? All you can do is trust me and trust is almost impossible to build It's really easy for me to go. Well, I own the company. So trust trust me trust me really quick Come on come on chop chop and we're sitting there going like okay. Okay. I'll I'm trusting you You're apparently very rich. That's fine And then we sort of move along with it but trust doesn't work like that trust is something that you build bit by bit and it's Incredibly easy to lose It's Insanely quick to lose and if you move remove any part of the chain as well Because it's not just everyone trusting the boss It is trusting the boss that is above you who trust the boss above you and you have to do the same and up and up and up and up until you get the person making all the decisions and If that chain is broken at any point It's lost it's meaningless and I know it like like I said This is not criticism towards KD because we don't have it But I just want to emphasize this before I keep talking about it because it's such a relevant topic to us because many of us We always believe that it's gonna be some person coming in the door going like I'm the new savior And then starts telling people what to do and it's gonna be great because in our mind We think we're the smartest in the room, right? So we think that obviously this sort of benevolent dictator will think exactly like me It's gonna be great, but it's not gonna be like that half of the things he or she says it's gonna be the opposite The other part of this is what we do have which is self-organization and that's tricky and we all know it's tricky I know everyone. I'm sure everyone in this room have one of those stories from KD like that that moment that happened where everything just went to crud and If we all sat down and argued about something I'm looking at Thomas Pfeiffer specifically because we can argue until the cows come home and nothing happens And that's that's bad obviously because everything takes twice as long There's no real direction Arguments just keep going on and on and on and debates are the easiest thing to have It's easy to get trust because at a certain point, you know that say Lydia I know that Lydia is doing her thing I can see the thing that she's doing sitting there and she can see my thing that I'm doing here panicking and Together we can sort of trust the fact that we're doing our own bit, right? We don't have to trust each other, but it's easier because we can spot what everyone is doing It does it automatically mean though that we share the same goal me and Lydia Lydia might be currently thinking about plotting my murder and Obviously, I am doing the same thing, but the opposite plotting her murder So, you know like direction is easily lost is easily fuddled away and debates just to tend to drown everything out It demands way more social working to function And this is one of the things I've talked about with individuals a lot This is actually a key point that we always miss and I again, it's because we're nerds We tend to be a little social socially awkward at times and we don't ask those questions. There's One person that I talked to who was not feeling that great But no one had really asked why this person didn't feel that great They just assumed that oh if this person isn't telling then I'm not gonna bother you I don't want to plot. I don't be that want to be the person who sort of just goes in and hey Hey, tell me all your problems, but we need that we need that social glue And we tend to forget it and it can also be part of a greater organization as well The fact that we do social things together not just coding not just talking about this But talking about ourselves talking about Asking questions about other members in Katie. How are you doing? Are you everything? Okay, not taking yeah Yeah, everything is fine for an answer or Just asking further and further questions We need to do that more for this to function, but we're sort of there but this is the complaints about self-organization that we have and Everyone must feel comfortable in their role, which I think we can safely say neither of us do right brilliant So we've messed that up The cool thing though is The cool the coolest thing about both methods no matter what we choose. Oh, obviously, I'm sided with self-organization That's some of you might not be it doesn't matter But one of the main main points that we have to do in KDE more Way way way more no matter what method we use is inspiration and we tend to follow this ball We tend to drop it easily because we tend to do oh, I wrote a blog post about the technical thing I did and no one got it, but that's fine like we just Mention it what we need to do is inspire people to do things and this is a constant conversation that I'm Mentioning Thomas again, but me and Thomas have is that I want to do right up the things that we haven't done and the weird Plans that we've done and we're nothing real has come of it yet He on the other hand really wants us though No, no, no, let's wait for a second and not do it because then people would be disappointed if nothing happens Both arguments are obviously true and good, but it's a difference of opinion I just think that inspiration is something that we're kind of bad at and should get better at because we have so much to give Because and that's the main thing We're nerds right everyone in this room has probably been mom. I'm not saying probably but let's yeah You have everyone in this room have been billed in high school. It's a fact probably 90% 99 100 That's a matter. We've all been there We've all had that geeky moments in teenage life and we were probably beaten up up for it. We're nerds We have specific interests that isn't shared by all We tend to geek out really quickly. We have our fascination things and we tend to like other nerds and we do it so well and the thing is the thing that KDE the thing that GNOME has as well is that we're lacking developers. We're lacking nerds. We need more nerds We need more people like us and when everyone else talks about like oh I wish that Steve Jobs looking character could come in with his turtle neck and his coffee cup lean on a table and scream at people and Fire half the audience then that's yeah, okay. That's kind of good But then what we get is designers and I know I'm a designer But what we get is the designers who aren't nerds the people who don't get us We should applaud what we are we should try to get more people like us and we have a safe way of doing it Because we know how to make them geek out. We know how to make people like us Feel like us about a thing because we do it so easily we talk amongst ourselves And then suddenly when we're supposed to talk with someone outside of our core group We sort of go over remember not too nerdy We have to be very sort of glitzy about it And we tend to sort of want to slap the sign on everything because we think that's what people look at But it's not because what we want is the nerds We want the massive nerds and we do know sorry water We do know how to get them Because we're here. We know what attracted us. We know what attracts us We know what we feel like we should want to do and we know everything about ourselves. So why don't we? This is the tricky bit, right combine this with a Steve Jobs lust Combine this with this wanting of something designy something glitzy something beautiful to sort of cover up all the nerdiness Combine this with all those things that we sort of assume we lack and therefore we have less developers less Bug fixes less everything We just think that Somehow if we just become a little bit more designy Everything will be grand if we get a little bit more less nerdy if we become one of the cool kids everything will be grand if we Start sort of acting more like the bullies in high school everything will be grand, but it's not that's not how it works So when we start developing for example when we start doing applications We tend to look at what Apple does and go. Oh, I wish we did that I wish we did that thing we look at Microsoft and their professional sort of lineup of application Oh, I wish we did that and the most probable solution that we tend to come to sadly because of all this is we tend to start a copy and The thing is Never ever copy we tend to do this so easily and I want to give some example. Well, actually I don't have to because it's sort of mean LibreOffs and the That tendency to sort of go. Oh my god Microsoft Word is amazing I want to do that and then we try to copy wildly and On the one hand we do a good job. I mean, but there's going to be carbon copies and nothing else What we need to do is think sorry again think like the nerds that we are Think like the massive nerds like what we are instead of going. What would other people like? cooler people like How can we get more cooler people to like us so instead of making things that are made for someone else? We have to start considering ourselves as base and then try to get more nerds inspired And the only way to do it is to do things that we like and we are such massive nerds and we do such cool things like stupid weird little projects and We have these grand ideas that we tend to beat down because oh, it's not like Microsoft Word So it's there's no use to it We have to also learn how to do this and nothing happens. Oh There we are that's the thing. Sorry That's one of the things that we tend to miss we tend to mellow it down because we think that's professionalism That's not we do we want to copy a little bit We want to make the new Microsoft words, but we want to scale it down We don't really dream big and the thing is we're nerds. We like big dreams We like really stupid dreams and we have done such great stupid dreams Take take one of my favorite applications and one of the reasons I came to Linux at all is Kreata or Kreata in Swedish It is the best and the reason it's the best it because it doesn't really copy And the reason to it's the best is because it's a stupid idea. I mean imagine being in that me I'm sure they didn't have a meeting. I'm sure it went sort of more organic and stuff like that But what if there was a meeting with a lot of nerds sitting around a table and one of them went, you know what? I want to beat Photoshop at its own game by not being Photoshop and it's gonna make people Start using Linux and get us awards. That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard Can you imagine that right here? Like I'm gonna do this and then everything would be fine And how are you gonna do it while I'm gonna do something that no one else has ever done before And it's gonna be better than everything. That's the grand plan of it. And that's a horrible plan like who the heck I'm trying to scale it down with his words who the heck would would even agree to help out But they did and they dream bigger way bigger Way way way bigger and now they are one of the things that I can show to illustrator friends for example and say Well, you try doing that with Photoshop and come back to me and they always come back to you and go How do I install this on my MacBook and then I go you don't Because I can't I know it's possible, but I'm not good enough for it, and I don't want to be their support right guy like Sorry, but still The other thing that we never ever seem to accept which I this is one of my golden rules There's gonna be a 10 holy rules for design Speed talk or lightning talk. I suggest that you go to it because this is one of the rules And it's from Simpsons obviously and it's better than if it's a failure than a mediocre success And we should consider this way more and see that as a cool thing I know we all fear failure. We all like I do it right now It's part of the phobia thing of talking in front of people I'm scared of doing this and this but you do it because you hope and or rather You should do it because you hope that the failure would be so grand So majestic that people will remember it for years and years and years you remember that Academy where yams shit himself then barfed and fell off the stage and beat up his head and lady had to drive him to the hospital That was amazing That's what I want I don't want this sort of do you remember the time that yams that stood there and talked in a monotone voice about something relevant And no one really cared about it. No one's gonna remember that tomorrow So better a failure a massive failure than a mediocre success and that's again Why we shouldn't copy why we should dream big and why we should try to geek out Don't be scared of nerding out Don't be scared of not copying and try to strike your own path because of worst-case scenario It's gonna be a massive Magnificent failure and people will maybe point of laugh But they'll learn something and you'll learn something and everyone will be a little bit inspired and see what didn't work and then try something else This is the last one I don't have a good photo for this one because my hotel has the most the worst Wi-Fi ever And that but it's that's actually a key point here. It's what we tend to do again Steve Jobs Steve Jobs was a good design and no one's taking that away One of the greatness of his design was that he was a benevolent dictator He can decide everything that ever happened and that house how you make a unified design and with design Unification is the first step to make a great design. That's unification if everything looks different. It doesn't matter how well everything Look it has to look the same and have to behave the same But he was most of all a great salesman. He was a wonderful salesman He could step in and sell anything to anyone Obviously with the new iPhone you can sort of see it but still did we have to Again embrace the nerdiness We have to look at the people who actually do stuff and not the people who talk about the stuff I mean ignore me and talk more with with people like let's see if Marco is here somewhere There he is take Marco for example. I'm sorry Marco But I take Marco the first time I met him it I and he sort of showed me a little bit of what he worked on I thought he was a bit the closest thing I could think of was a wizard That was my actual thought like oh this guy is more or less a wizard Like I had this image in my head of someone from a TV show about hackers doing cool things like doing clicky clicky clicky Clacky and then sort of suddenly a house blows up and everything's awesome We have there's like everyone in this room do cool things on a daily basis like we do Stuff that everyone not in this room the people who are not nerds Secretly admire more than anything else in the world and that's the part like ask nerds We tend to sort of forget that cool people dig us. They want to be us They want to be as more than we think and it's because we do Amazing stuff and we seem to be happy doing it. We're not Great sales reps. We're not someone who will stand in a bar in Shanghai in a sort of smoking and pick up men or women depending on what you prefer and We're not gonna be the cool kids. We're not gonna be that but they don't want that They really admire us for what we do. I've talked to my husband about Marco. I've talked to friends about Marco I've explained them in this more or less divine sort of attitude and they go that's amazing Like there are people working with communication and design for for the Swedish state for example That's one of their clients who thought Marco seemed like a little mix of Jesus and Jim Morrison Maybe that might be me selling him to them, but still that's the point We have to applaud the creators because that's what people really want to hear They don't want to hear us sort of pretending to be Steve Jobs They don't want to hear us pretending to be some sort of movie star Be cool will be the kid in school that we remember from high school They don't want that they want the nerds and we got that So why are we focusing on this dream of a Steve Jobs personality coming in ruling everything making everything to sign me and we're gonna be Sleek and Amazing and sit in the skybar somewhere. No one wants that except the skybar owner We need to applaud the creators We're though rubbish at this which is why I'm mentioning it But we're also kind of good Yeah, see I'm being a little bit nice. I'm you know meeting you halfway We messed up in the past and we've done it in a horrible way Not specifically with projects that we've done. That's a different story. This is more or less about the social thing of it Because when we get together and we get to be angry nerds together Then suddenly we tend to forget where we came from what we like what we want to do and we bite into each other It is like a high school prom there. It's We can murder each other on a large scale and we've done so there are projects and people that we all know of That I left more or less KD that have sort of gone. I don't care. I'm gonna do something else and we go But in fact, they've done it for a good reason they didn't felt welcome They didn't feel like their geeky interests were met halfway. They thought that we were sort of pushing them away and I feel Notice the feel because I can't prove this so you know But I feel that part of this is that we tend to look for The Steve Jobs in the crowd and he's not there So we noticed like oh, that's a geek and he's doing geeky things But they're not exactly the same geeky things that I like so I get angry at him or her If it would be a Steve Jobs character standing in the crowd going blah blah blah design is on the sign We tend to be way more forgiving for some strange reason again We have to sort of consider the fact that we're nerds. We like nerds We do nerdy stuff and people like us doing nerdy stuff instead of going Wow, that's nerdy and I don't really agree. So boo, you know push you off And we do that a lot sadly and we've done that a lot There are good examples, of course where we've sort of been welcoming. We've been friendly We've accepted people for being massive nerds and perhaps not being the most Let's say someone that you wouldn't bring to the noble dinner, you know, like most of us We're not fitting in in that sort of society and that's fine We can be really accepting and we can be really cool about stuff and we can do these really cool projects Like Kita, for example, so wow that messed up. This is Google by the way, so don't feel bad about your bugs Okay, how to get more good things and less bad things. It's sort of the goal of this. I Think that beyond the nerdiness obviously embracing the nerdiness these are some pointers that I want to squeeze in Do we have by the way, do I have any questions from Reddit? We do have quit you haven't told me anything Sure you can please please interrupt interrupt So the first question we have which I think is by the most amazing user name Trippy unicorn trippy unicorn trippy unicorn, whomever you are. Thank you. Wow Well, actually currently I think it's the I don't want to say this because she's here I'm not saying it because she's here, but But Lydia and the EV is extremely organized But the main problem there lies in the fact that it's easy to be organized when you're four people It's one hell of a problem trying to be organized in a bag of cats trying to do their tax return together It's not really these like it's We can say oh Lydia's really organized and go Lydia You'll sort up kitty entirely and then we put Lydia in a bag full of angry cats and Ask her to sort of fix their tax return together with them. It's not gonna work like that So but yes, the EV I'd say is the most organized whether that is a good or a bad thing I Mean like it's good. Yes, it is absolutely good without them. It would be a mess It would be a horrible mess, but at the same time We also have to consider the fact that we are the ones not listening to them. So, you know, we should perhaps see what they want to say and Try to cooperate a little bit more with them at times. Is there any other question or that covered more questions? No, go for it. Go for it. The next question is by riddle and he asked Why would a designer use a boring slide deck like slide deck for talk on design dynamics? Oh, I can tell you that directly I picked this for a very good reason Okay, this is the reason this is a good reason. I this is actually about the sign and it's it is a good point the reason why you use dark gray and gray light gray and white is that it's the second best way to It's a second best style for visibility The best one would be if I replace the white text with bright yellow and the other one with a little bit more faded yellow I'm doing this for you Wonderful, thank you. How dare you also Let's So it's any other question that there's one last question. Okay, go for it. Go for it. Go for it Can you imagine a stack exchange for UI designers? I Can But it would be I mean if it's a social okay, so the problem why I call myself illustrator before designer is because I Like illustrators illustrators are cool and friendly to each other We tend to be supportive of each other's work We tend to be very much like if you want to show your taste in something you say Oh, I like that decided that illustrator and that illustrator and that illustrator with designers the opposite tend to be true I'm not saying all the signers, but a certain class of designer tend to be I hate that that's rubbish You suck that tends to be the way they show how much Style they have in something and that's why I think a stack of change for UI designers will end in World War I don't know. I would agree. Yes That was your question. Okay. Oh We have mics Yeah, so what I meant is You said that you cannot Go to do to the programmers and tell you and tell them do it this way. Yeah, because they will leave but Yeah, I suck at UI design. Oh badly Well, and I've given up on it I work on back ends now and I Think it would be nice To have it the other way around, you know, you don't come to people and tell them what to do But they come to you and tell me what to do and ask Look at my UI. Why does it suck so bad? What did I do wrong? What can I do better? Yeah, that is a good point I think actually that it should be more of programmers and developers coming to Designers going you there do design for me because that would be way better than this currently I mean, it's tricky right now because everything is very much up in there But I agree. There should be some way of us doing that There's one and that the only one that we have currently is more or less a social thing Because I mean, I don't know you that well and you don't know me. I think we met once here I've seen you or maybe I'm going I don't have glasses on nevermind No, no, no, I have never seen you before in my life But That sort of means that you can't go up to me and go hey, hey, hey, yes I want you to do this for me That's not gonna happen But you should be able to like if you're in KDE you should obviously be able to just go yes Yes, come on chop chop do you know clicky-clacky or joy-joy do it now Some of here I know personally and they're more than happy to do that and I they also know that I'm I love that I love that because I'm not gonna it's a social thing as well Because I can't go into go to you and go you're you I is horrible Like what did you do? Why are you here? That's that's a horrible thing to say to someone So it's way better that you sort of go to me But then we're sort of both sitting on each of our chairs and sort of You need some kind of social go-betweens yeah or just sit down and we can say hey, I'm a developer you're a developer I think your UI could be better. Maybe you should go to Yen's You know that yeah, it should be strictly build that kind of bridges No, but but it's yeah, that's true on one hand on the other we could sort of skip the bridge entirely and sort of Be more outward with it while I'm telling you all of you not right now that it's okay to poke me I'll say no if I don't have time, but you know It's wonderful to poke me and I know a lot of a lot of other designers that I can always sort of shuffle the work onwards to Sebas for example, it's a bit of someone who sort of skip ahead of the bridge because he Recently went to me before I went to Stockholm and went away obviously, so it's not not much work. I've been done. Sorry Sebas Sorry Don't beat me up but he knows that he can just go and grab me and say Yen's you got to do this and I will and I hope that at some point we'll get Where everyone all developers feel that I get to go and talk to a designer as if he's my best friend We know each other forever What oh You're picking a fight. Are you meet your side? interesting aside on that yesterday we I talked with the people who this is about the multi-screen configuration user interface, which I just put in the capable hands of the visual design group for a redesign and yesterday I talked to the Original developers with it and said yeah, you know, I actually want to redo this stuff of the UI And I may have used the word rewrite and he said Yeah, you do that. I've done it four times and You can do a fifth time no problem at all So what what happens more often than not if you go to someone and you say your UI sucks Is that this person? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, but that's still okay. Call me a bleeding heart, but I don't want to insult the man I think my computer is a completely wrong way to go about it. It's so it's improve it Can I just restart my computer and hope for the best? I started a new session Nothing. Oh my god, I start a new session. That's a weird thing Who made this UI? Oh No one talks about that anymore. Oh Is he is he oh, I'll take him down Okay, so how'd you get to refocus how to get more thing good things and that's bad things and It's well, this is a list so we're gonna just read along shall we Except that people are people who won't be at our level of excitement yet This is actually okay So this is one of the things that I get really hyped up about is our tendency to hope that new people are gonna be at our Level of excitement. They're gonna be sort of like, yeah, I'm gonna do bug reports and that's not gonna happen I mean, we don't go. Yeah, I'm gonna do bug reports That's not what we are but we have sort of been excited enough to feel like I can do this I can do bug reports. I can do bug crashing. I can shake things. It's gonna be fine We can't accept Expect people to be that level of excitement yet Focus on inspiring people to work instead of complaining or ordering again. I've been talking about this the entire thing You're shaking your watch by the way. How long do we have? We're fine Okay, and then focus on inspiring people to work instead of completing an ordering that gives itself Talk more about the people who make I mentioned that before talk more about let's let's talk more about Marco For example, if we want to I do Or talk more about other people who make cool things and do it in a way that sort of inspires others Like us like don't try to inspire someone who doesn't know anything or it has no interests in nerdy stuff Because they're not going to be interested anyway Allow yourself to geek out when you talk about things allow yourself to be a little bit technical But be friendly about it still there's that A sort of gray area which we always miss We always tend to be either extremely glitzy and you sort of pr like or we tend to be very focused on the extremely technical And both of them can be bad and one of them can be less bad, I know Let's move along Uh, criticism is 90% compliments. I've spelled that wrong Uh, I think criticism is 90% compliments Uh, and this is a thing that I've this goes together with a social bit social bit Right, it's that we when we criticize we tend to forget that a criticism a good criticism is 90% being nice Like if I want to criticize Your t-shirt, for example, I would start I want to you know, you look happy today and then blah blah blah blah and then said perhaps you should switch t-shirts because Wow And the reason is it's the it's the friendly sandwich of of insults more or less It's that sort of you want the person the reason for that is that Uh criticism, which doesn't isn't met with compliments as well. It's embedded in compliments We tend to forget that criticism do hurt that your ui sucks, for example It you might think on a logical plane that oh, yeah, okay, it does suck But you know, you'll help me now and you're just saying the truth and blah blah blah blah blah That's not not how people usually work It's a weird thing to say to a room of nerds. That's not how people work. Damn it. No, it's Like we're aliens No, it's the fact that we tend to get a little bit hurt And if I tell you 10 times that your ui sucks, you'll never try to do ui again and that's You know convenient in some ways for me because I got to do ui stuff But on the other hand it's still bad because that means you'll never try it And we want people to try stuff like I said better a magnificent failure than a mediocre success Make your ui so bad that people will write about it like oh Jesus I got a heartburn from watching that ui Uh Inspired through action and creation instead of words. This is sort of self-explanatory We all know that is that me saying this nonsense up here It's not going to make you people do something different What what will inspire though if I do something that is so majestically messed up Or or sort of vomit, you know, like I said vomit fall on the stage That might inspire you the action is A way better way to inspire someone else That sounds like i'm trying to inspire you to get a panic attack I'm not but what i'm saying is that you get inspired by good ui you watch a cool ui that say i'm done because I only do cool ui And you say that oh that's that's amazing and then I you and me start talking about doing our new ui For the thing that you made and we start talking about like what could you oh And I show you this thing and I show you that thing and we start talking then suddenly work happens Me saying just saying do better ui. It's not going to work. It's not going to cut it It's not going to make people better automatically But we want to inspire through action and creation instead of words And you guys who are programmers you can do this way better than me because you do cool things and other people See the cool things and say I want to do this cool thing and perhaps they're rubbish at it But that's another thing Then we have the accept dissent applaud it but learn how to deal with further I'm going to try to hammer through these points fairly quick. I noticed And that is uh when When anyone in this crowd goes I hate this Or at least say I don't like this we have to accept that in a better way because we haven't been good at it We tend to drive people away. We tend to fight In these insane battles about nonsense to be quite frank from the outside It's often one of those. Why don't they just go? Yeah, you're okay and then go away because that's what you're arguing often It's very not just technical but it's technical combined with pride and we tend to get really angry and spiky about dissent Where people don't agree with us and we have to sort of applaud it We have to applaud dissent and make sure that people can do their own stuff without ruining it for everyone else And we also have to notice how to deal with it properly how to include people who wants to do different things So they can test doing their thing in kde instead of being kicked out of kde and trying it on their own They have to test it in kde we have to go like well, it's not for everyone but Uh, that's awesome I'll help out and can we involve it somewhere else because that way If it goes great and we notice it's better than what we have then we can include them to what we have if it's horrible That person will probably go wasn't that bad and we still Work together because currently we're sort of shoving people out at times when we feel they're a little bit too different Spot the difference between an angry debate to the vice-fist fight It should be see I don't know why I have to write that down or why I wrote it down to be quite honest But it's it's it's a difference like I don't like his t-shirt. He doesn't like my shirt That's a debate maybe and then when he goes I don't like your face. That's when we know it's It's like when a conversation is technical on our mailing list. We know oh, it's still fine It's when people start to repeat themselves. We've all seen it seen it the beginning of the flame war We can spot it a mile away In texts, I noticed in social situation. We're not as good, but you know, let's not talk about that We need to be better at at this we need to be better at stepping in and going. Okay Now we have to sort of this is a timeout thing Try to let's leave it for a week and come back and talk about it later We need to be comfortable enough to do this as a group as everyone Like and we have to listen when someone goes to you for example and goes No, no, no, no, no, we have to step away for a week We'll come back with because you're way too angry the natural reaction is going No, I'm not and I hate you because that's what we are We we don't like to be told that we're angry and we don't get to do what we want because we're kd and We I can show you the There we are we're kd Yay And this is what we do when people tell us what to do. We don't like it. That's what everyone does The thing is we have to learn to sort of grow up About this specific thing. We have to learn to grow up to understand when someone tells us something in a public way They are actually trying to be nice. They're not saying you're a Horrible person. They're not saying I'm a horrible person. They're saying look, I get it. You're a great person But right now we're this is heading into a minefield and we don't do this at all We have to be better off that's part of the social glue that's needed to have this sort of Social hirky less thing that we got going which is lovely, but it's also sort of collapsing a little bit at times Uh Collaboration is key with whomever and this is one of those things that we're also not that good at We tend to ignore the fact that there's a lot of people who want to collaborate with us. There's Brilliant example. There was a Design bureau that I worked for years back who Who my I met him in the street and he said, oh, you know programmers. Yeah. Yeah, I know a lot of programmers. They're lovely people I upset um That's as far as you know at least And he mentioned that like we're doing this thing with uh, they're called strawberry pies You mean raspberry pies. Yeah, and there's gonna there's gonna send sort of information on a thing and I went like, okay That's that's cool. But you know, what are you talking about? and He sort of mumbled about doing some sort of wi-fi router thing He'd love to work with us. I mean that's the problem is of course, they don't have cash now Which is the typical thing they don't have cash now But the thing is that all these collaborative projects are out there They might sound stupid to us because the person Presenting it is a Not a thicko, but not a nerd, you know, like he raspberries strawberry pies and everything. It's they don't get it Uh, or they don't get what they're doing at all But we have to consider collaboration more. We have to be better at it We have to be better to collaborate with anyone if there's a company come along saying I want to do this We need to look at the company As an ally and then see at what they're trying to do as a problem like we can't go your uh company I don't like you. I'm never going to work with you ever because you're a company We have to look at what do you really want? What do we get out of it and stuff like that? But we have to consider collaboration uh more important key And then lastly never go to bed angry Which is something that helped me my parents my grandparents, etc Many others parents and themselves In any relationship and this actually makes sense to us Because we tend to do this we tend to be the bad couple the couple that fight through the night and then sort of Sleep back to back and sort of mutters swear words to each other or just jab each other in the ribs if we can We tend to hold the grudge Way too long. We tend to sort of go gnome their ass hats or sorry their poo heads I'm trying For sweet and I can't stop swearing their poo heads And we sort of look at gnome like horrible people and in fact, they're lovely like but we tend to hold the grudge like let's Let's be angry at them for a relevant reason instead of sort of just being angry at them all the time We're really good at being angry all the time and keeping it going And final ready check Yeah There are more comments and questions. Okay um The first one Hello Jens great talk from the wiki to learn guys near the bottom of the room Thank you. Yeah, you haven't booed enough criticism And all we do is have you finished the logo yet? Yeah, I have but you rejected it. Where are you? I have you there you are. I have you rejected it. I can't see Oh, there you are. I was looking up there. I have you rejected it. It was too Romanian You said and I realized I know nothing about Romania. Let's talk about it this Evening perhaps we can sketch it out. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be cool next question So I sort of skipped ahead like I haven't done it The next one is again by trippy unicorn and they ask is neon ready for work You're asking the designer if neon is ready for work. I'm gonna say well the salesman the answer is Of course, it's ready for work. That's just the question of how professional you are Like the the nerdy the nerdy answer is Yeah Maybe there are there are bugs. There are problems. There are stuff, etc but I don't want to be the guy who answered that because I don't want to be in any way I want to be responsible in some ways for it Like I want to be one of the people you can fling crap at If it's something that doesn't work But I want I don't want to be the person who take credit for it because I haven't done much on it It should again be the developers and they've done a massive again I'm sliding into salesman voice here But they've done a massive job To improve something that was shaken first and then got better and better and better But yes, I think so I use it daily This is my arch machine by the way. So my my my desktop computer is stable Harold would kick me out if I said anything else. Yeah. Yeah, it's stable rock steady Next quickly Linux lower us angry nerds tend to not be very nice and sometimes hurt people. What do you or the audience propose? I would like to look at okay, so Okay, this is actually a really bad question angry nerds nerd we tend to be a little bit The correct term is on the autism spectra. There's a lot of people on the autism spectra in our midst That's just a fact. I don't know why that is why they find us a safer and nicer place to be in I mean, I know I have a lot of like the agoraphobia. I like this place I mean the reason I'm up here even talking is because she asked me an agoraphobic to do a keynote What a wonderful person Alex for example have borrowed me his fitbit so we can measure my heartbeat People like all these people have given me so oh, it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. And if you vomit, I'll film it Like the point is we're a little bit weird But we are welcoming and one of the things that we have to remember with people who tend to be a little bit too spiky Is and if they have on are on the autism spectra We have to consider who they are first and really think does this person really try to make me angry Or is it just a sort of a bit of a faux pas? We try we have to meet them halfway Most of the most of the angry nerds I met Uh that have tried to hurt me Has been it's been like being attacked by kitten Like i'm a i'm a gay middle-aged man. I've been insulted way worse By other gay guys. We're good at it So the point is that that but when when they Some angry nerds when you just want to tell you something like I didn't like the ui you made They tend to be very sort of I'm going to be very logical and clear about this And then they say something that's really hurtful and you realize and you have to realize that he's not or she's not Trying to be mean she's here. She is trying to just be logical and clear and you have to accept this But yeah, there's there's Five people in here that I've wanted to strangle at one time or another until someone else went along He's just trying to be nice. Don't worry about it. Oh Okay, uh, there's one specific who's in korea right now Ike who's a lovely human being but he is Well, I'm a swedish nerd. He's a german nerd and cultural clashes happen And one of the things we started out when we started talking one of the first time you started talking I told him I never want to talk to you ever again You are literally the worst and he said I don't want to work with you ever again. Goodbye That was our world as our first conversation and then we sort of patched it up because we realized we were arguing arguing on assumptions That we made about the other person and what he was trying to say I was making assumptions about Ike and sort of weaving in sub context into what he was saying into this massively melodramatic insult and he was considering like talking to me and thinking I was the most Ungrateful person in the world because I I sort of I was flippant about his suggestions He tried to help and I saw it an insults and then he saw me being Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah Just trying to get away as me being the most insulting person ever But we managed to patch it up and that's what we got to do We sort of have to meet halfway we have to see what the person are Who the person is and how to sort of interact in the best way possible And if there's someone who's truly mean to you This is what you should have been told in school If there's someone truly mean to you stop talking to them walk away If they don't get that you're walking away because you don't like them Then they're a bit thick and need help from other friends But you need to walk away and just drop it But I don't think there's that many like there are a few that might be like that But I think most of the time we're just overreacting to Assumptions any other questions we have five minutes one more comment and one more question First one from Ivan who says I'm glad you're a part of our little world And even adorable by the way, he's somewhere here. I can't see him and it's the light. Oh, there he is He is adorable. He's can I just comment in on that the angry nerd thing again even This is going to sound a little bit cruel even. I'm sorry Um Even it's a really sort of like yeah, I'm sort of Wow, why am I doing this? I'm a very sort of sort of logical kind of person And he wants to sort of do the logical thing and other people might I know some people who read his comments on my google plus for example. Like who is this poop head I'm keeping to who is this idiot like like what's wrong with this person and I go no, no, no, no It's even He's he's the greatest. He's the first. He's also the first kidney developer. I've ever met Ever on a street in Barcelona, but the thing is like I know even because we're friends and even hopefully knows me that he can There's a way that we can talk to each other that That I'm sure that he knows that he's not hurting me And I know that he's not trying to so it's sort of like one of those we all have weird personalities I'm sure you mostly you find me sort of loud and obnoxious But no, so that's the answer. He's just trying to be friendly And we get by on it. Sorry next next thing and even it's adorable again Uh, I would ask what do you do if it's bad time and you are angry What when it's bad time and you are angry? That's that's the answer more or less. Yeah sebas knows We have a code of conduct here, so I can't comment Especially that's the correct answer. No, but I I I I never get angry Except when I'm really angry and then just Never mind. Let's let's leave it with that. Stressily. Uh, is there any other questions from this lovely group of people? Yes I love that you said that we should fail and Just a small comment in there once we were in a Bar like for kitty developers Chocking and talking about our most favorite topic the vision and the mission and all that And we actually came out with a vision that kitty should be a safe place to fail Yeah, that should be part of us and it's nice to come and many of us learn Almost everything we know we know here and you can fail and that's nice because you're surrounded with good people And they're just going to hug you whenever you do something bad Carry on and that's really nice and but With these there is a content part sometimes is that although we are nerds and I agree with that Sometimes it's not even about looking for the cool kid. Sometimes it's it's about competing Between nerds, right? Yeah, so you have the other cool project in Some other github or whatever that they are really cool. They are doing the latest and they are not failing while All you can see is failure and that sometimes can bring you down to motivate and then you the motivate others and then You become a depressing community Wow Well, this this negative negativity is easy to spread, right? So how absolutely how do we keep it up? Like how do we avoid the negativity? Yeah thoughts on on that I I think that that first of all, I think it's Not as plausible that we're gonna fail miserably all the time, but I do think that we I don't We've seen But I I don't like there are a lot of failures that we've dealt with badly and we've dealt with it by not talking about it We've dealt with it by not applauding that person and going that was a good try We sort of focus on the bad things I feel when it comes to our own projects, we tend to be more critical than we should We tend to not applaud a person again It's a social thing more than anything else and I think that if you fail if I fail miserably right now That's okay. So in this example more than anything I have a panic attack. I vomit. I fall off the stage. You drive into the hospital My reaction would be horrible embarrassment when I woke up But I still know that I'm sort of be welcome in and I'd get jabs and pokes and people laughing And then I get suggestion on how to deal with it the next time Where for example suggest dumb suggestions And we can keep that up. That's the thing like I If I I don't know the thing is I don't know of any grand failures that we've done I know some but not all and I'd love to know more about them just to talk more about them And now apparently I'm running out of time really quickly. Yes I'm running out of one more question. Sorry Alex. We'll talk about it more because we really should that's So do you think kd4 0 or something good? I was this is the best answer. I wasn't in linux then suckers I don't have to even answer But but in support of my friends, yes Absolutely, like if someone if someone from the outside said, uh, do you think it like no, that's wrong If someone from the outside said in a very sort of do you really think kd4 was a good idea? I'd say yes, I do a blood oath on that thing. I go. Yeah. Yeah. It was the best idea ever Because We kind of have to do that for each other as well like we have to support each other in some sort of way I know it's not logical and not clear and it's not Even it doesn't really make sense either But we have to be there for each other if if for example someone criticized quinn and you're standing next to me I would go quinn is the best it has no bugs. There's no problem We're already running on wayland and we can eject ourselves into space with it I'm ready to lie sheen and steal for each other and we should we shouldn't feel like we we can't support each other We need more backslaps. We need more people going. You are you are the bomb or whatever kids say nowadays. I just realized I am almost 40. I I don't know how to say these things and now we have to wrap it up And I want to thank you all for being here I want to thank Lydia for being ready to drive me to a hospital and can I just just for the record Since we're still filming can I just have everyone scream boo at me while I walk out on the stage? Okay in three two