 Today's podcast is brought to you by FreshBooks.com. Get a 30-day free trial at GoFreshBooks.com forward slash David Feldman show. The David Feldman radio program is made possible by listeners like you. You sad pathetic humps. Welcome back. Now joining the mix is one of our favorite guests, a brave soldier on the front lines fighting the good fight. Sam Seder you host the majority report on television, radio, podcast, YouTube. Welcome. Yes, not necessarily all those mediums, but it's all right. I mean aspirational counts too. I see you on YouTube all the time doing that. Yeah, you said television. I mean, I don't, you know, I mean, not quite, but a little bit, but not really. YouTube is sort of like the television of computers. It is. Yeah. I mean, if we want to, if it's all folded into one, then yes, of course. I would say that more people watch you on YouTube than they would if you were on, say, MSNBC on weekends. I mean, if it was early on the weekend perhaps. And they were being preempted by a big sporting event. Right. I mean, if we were going, if it was like early on the weekend for some reason, they did the Super Bowl in the morning on a different channel. Right. Then yes, that would be, I would agree with that. And a lot of the MSNBC affiliates were cutting, too. That's right. This is the worst intro. To the extent that they had affiliates. But I mean, we don't need to go into. How long have you been doing this? I feel like we've gone into this too much. I know. How long have you been doing the majority report? Because you were on Air America. Yeah. RIP. The first iteration of the majority report was on Air America for a couple of years. And then I did a different show called the Sam Cedar show. And then I did another show, Cedar on Sundays. And then another one, Break Room Live with Mark Marin. And then we broke up and he got the very successful podcast. And I got the one that's like, you know, moderately to not so successful. Well, you chose a more difficult path. I mean, you chose not to be Mark Marin. No, nothing more. Well, you chose a more difficult path, which is politics. I mean, Mark is kind of what politics are. It's a more specific thing. And frankly, I wouldn't want to do what he does. And I know he wouldn't want to do what I do. So I guess that's what when we're referred to intelligent design, that's what we really mean. Where do you see the discussion today vis-a-vis? And thank you. I just said vis-a-vis. Are you impressed? No. Oh, that's good. Thank you. I'm looking that up as we speak. Looking back to 2004, has the conversation gotten better? Donald Trump notwithstanding. I have a theory that you can actually talk to Republicans now. And maybe it's because of Donald Trump. You can talk to Republicans now, and they're a little more reasonable because they kind of know their ideology is bankrupt, but they're kind of stuck being white and rich. I, as opposed to 2004, I mean, yeah, things are a lot less scary now than they were in 2004. But part of that is less that Republicans have become more reasonable and that I think the center has become more reasonable. And I think that's because we are further out of the shadow of 9-11, to be honest with you. And I'm not convinced that another attack of those proportions wouldn't create the same situation. But yeah, I have conversations with people on my show all the time. Collars, particularly, obviously younger people who don't realize the level of vitriol and the level of isolation, I think, that you got and the level of isolation that you felt if you were left of center in, you know, particularly from 2001 to 2004. 2005 things start to change a little bit. But, you know, when Janine and I started, Janine Garofalo and I started the first majority of the Party of America, Janine would get active death threats that would happen to her face. I apologize for those. You're strangely out of character. To be honest with you, you were not that intimidating. I know. But Janine was really going in. I mean, even before 2004, when in the lead-up to Iraq, she was really going into the belly of the beast. She was going on Fox News. You can watch the tapes on YouTube. They're amazing. And being berated, called a traitor by the Fox and Friends people for saying things that we knew then they were true. But now we know history tells us that what she said was true. Which is why I can't forgive South Park. Janine was almost, I mean, literally almost, and this is not hyperbole, almost the only individual in the country who was allowed to go on national television and speak out against the war. She was recruited by the Win Without War people who wanted the arms inspectors to be able to stay in. They couldn't get anybody on television. And so they started going to celebrities. And most celebrities, particularly ones that were actually working, you know, I mean, ultimately Mike Fowle, and I'm not dissing Mike Fowle, but it's not like Mike Fowle was at the pinnacle of his career. Wait, is that... Matt. Yes. She put herself in such an incredibly, I guess, dangerous, frankly, position. And, you know, got zero credit for it during, after the fact, now. And it continues to impress me, you know, 15 years later, the level of bravery that was involved in that. Here, here. And the people who were all wrong, who were berating her, they're all still on TV every day. Oh, sure. And not just the people who were brave. I mean, like, look, she got a lot of grief from the entertainment world. She got a lot of grief, you know, with the Trey Parker and those guys, you know, were blowing her up in their movie to make her some type of villain. I mean... That's why I won't go see Book of Mormon. Seriously. I, you know, to be honest with you, I won't go either. And because of those guys. I agree. And, you know, she took a lot of grief from virtually every sector of our society because of what she did. And she literally was the only person who was allowed to go on. And imagine being in that situation where you know you're the only person they let on. You know, they bring you on only because they can immediately discount what you say because you're an actress. And you still do it because how could you not? I mean, it was an unbelievable situation for her to be in. And she rose to vacation. You know, she wore clothes that she had never worn except for perhaps playing a character, you know, and cleaned up so that, you know, it might be respectable in those contexts. And still, it took an incredible amount of abuse. When did Air America go on the air? April 1, 2004. I see. So by then, there were enough people opposed to the war was a year old and it was okay to be against the war. Not, I would say before saying or speaks, I would just say that not all it wasn't that mainstream to be against the war. Then the thing from my memory that really broke it open for them and made it okay for all of the mainstream media, not just Fox News, but all of the cable channels which were very supportive of the war. The thing that broke that down was when John Murtha came out and said that the war was a mistake. And that because he was a military veteran. He was a total right wing military guy. That made it okay for Chris Matthews and for all those other people to suddenly say it's okay to say that the war was a mistake. But I think 2004 was before that happened. Well actually, because I remember working for Bill Maher in 2003. The war started in March of 2003. And I joined his show right after the war started. Before the war started, he was skeptical, but he didn't beat the war drum. He kept saying, I don't know about this, I don't know about this. And around May of 2003, about two or three months after the invasion, the ambassador, I forgot his name, what I saw in Niger, they outed his wife. Oh, Joe Wilson. Joe Wilson. Oh, yeah. Wrote that op-ed piece in the New York Times. And Scooter Libby outed his wife. I think that's when a lot of people, including me, went, okay, now I'm definitely against this war. I can tell you that Janine and I, when we left the studios in, through the summer of 2004, at 10 p.m. at night, would leave with bats. Would leave what? We would carry bats. Broadway show league. Broadway show league. They had night games at the Broadway show league? What's that? The Broadway show league had night games? No, we would leave. Not with cats. We would leave with bats. With bats. Yeah, like literally, I carried an aluminum bat because we had concerns. Wow. Typical liberal, bringing a bat to a... Exactly. Yeah. Did you ever have to use the bat? No. No, we didn't. You used it on me when I pitched a bad joke one time. I could never do that. Mostly because I lacked the hand-eye coordination. One bad joke from Frank Conniff, and then he couldn't write for two weeks. Yeah, it's, boy, you know, it was a dangerous time. Let me ask you about the lead-up to the war, because I always... I have two... From that era, I have two litmus tests. One is, were you for the war? And what are you laughing at? I just like that you're asking Sam Cedar if he was for the war. Well, because he was on the air in 2004. I was burning Dixie Chick album. Yeah. Well, here's my... That's just because you're not into country music. My mea culpa is a shame to tell you this. I believed Bush and Cheney. I voted for Gore. Where's this going? I can see the corners of your mouth right now. Where's this going? I'm just saying, I believed it. I was one of those, you know, guys who... We have to be adults here. You certainly don't think the president... Well, let's not forget that... Good day. Good day. Let's not forget... Great talking to you. Let's not forget... No, I was against the war. I was against... In fact, the first... The very first majority report was I was losing my mind about the whole run-up. I mean, it was... Because you could read... I mean, that's the thing. If you read page 22 of the Washington Post or 22 of the New York Times, you would see that there clearly... This was being ginned up. Oh, yeah. Clearly. Do you remember, Sam, do you remember that op-ed that was so preposterous about how the Iraq War was going to be a good thing because it would secure the waterways of the Middle East? I was like, what? There was all sorts of BS, and in February, I think it was, of 2003, Tom Sharpling gave me two hours on his show, The Best Show, and that's when I did the first majority report, and invited Janine on as a guest. John Benjamin came out to New Jersey to do the intro live, and I brought on some poor sucker from Fox and Friends on the weekend to just berate him, and I had a briefing book that was like four inches thick, and it was full of project for New American Century. Of all the stuff that Blix was starting to report at that time, it was full of... I mean, there was plenty of information out there that suggested, at the very least, you stay and you let the weapons inspectors do their job, and that, to me, was sort of the default, the safe position, which was like, okay, let the weapons inspectors find all these mobile biolabs that you're claiming are there, why can't they find them? And so, I don't know, I mean, I think it was just a matter of time, and it was a matter of obsession. I was basically half-present in everything I was doing from the election, because I was really, the election really disturbed me with the Supreme Court, it was very difficult for me to accept. Do you get upset now when you see photographs of Michelle Obama cuddling with George W. Bush? Yeah, I do. Why? I mean, upset is probably too strong of a word, but when you do not hold these figures to account in any official way, you immediately condone what they do, and you send a message to future leaders, no problem. This is at the very least within bounds, and it was wrong that the Obama administration pushed this line of turn the page so much, and not just on the war, frankly, but on everything that led to the financial crisis, and a host of other, torture, all of those things. And then to normalize the relationship, I think, is really problematic. I think that we don't get accountability that way. I think that you could draw a straight line from, pardoning Nixon and his fellow travelers through Iran-Contra to the Iraq war, and to fall out there. I mean, there has to be accountability. And frankly, I think you could probably draw a line from that to at least a portion of Trump's support and a broad sense of disgust with our political system. Because how can these things happen, and we claim they're so bad, and there's not literally an ounce of credibility, I mean, of accountability? I agree with you, but you're not even a social stigma, so hugging George Bush. I agree with you. I think when you read of people in the Bush administration, the W administration, endorsing Hillary as though that's a good thing, why are we still listening to these thieves? I agree with you. I mean, the Clinton people, here's a perfect example of that. The Clinton people were getting these endorsements, and I can understand they, if they get endorsed, I can understand certain centrists or Republicans, that sort of thing, it's a good thing. And I can understand to a certain extent, there being a staffer on the Clinton campaign whose job it is to say, oh, we've got another Republican endorsement, let's just send this out. But there was a staffer on the Clinton campaign who saw that John Negroponte was endorsing Hillary Clinton and knew so little about foreign policy and the history of our foreign policy that they were like, John Negroponte, great. And he created, he created, wasn't he working with Honduran death squads, Negroponte? Yes. Yes. And, and so. But the Honduran death squads supported Hillary too, so. That there's no accountability for a guy like that, means that some staffer who's 25 on the Clinton administration, Clinton campaign, has no idea who John Negroponte is. And not only do they make a huge mistake from a campaign perspective, I think that was why they never, you know, they went back and told Kissinger, would you mind holding off? I think that they, you know, that is what you get. And you know, it gets just thrown down the memory hole and that's a problem. When you look at. By the way, Kissinger was so enthusiastic about Hillary, he was going to carpet bomb New Hampshire with leaflets. It has, has Henry come out in favor of Hillary or is it? It's kind of just common knowledge that he, in all likelihood, he supports her. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait for the Wall Street Journal. But he never made official endorsement and I think that's because of the pushback from the Negroponte thing to be honest with you. When you look at what's going on in Syria, do you understand why Bill Clinton feels it's necessary to become George Herbert Walker Bush Bush's son? What, what, when you get to that level, don't you kind of sympathize with our presidents and the people in the top echelon wanting to smooth things over because there's so much vitriol and hatred in this country. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, everybody should be in prison. I think Bill Clinton. I think Bill Clinton should be locked up. I mean, I, I mean, I can see from their perspective, I mean, in terms of the hugging or what are you talking about? Well, I'm talking about, you definitely should. There, there, one side of me, 99% of my life is spent hating Bush, hating Cheney, lock him up, bring him to the Hague. Bill Clinton should, you know, be tarred and feathered for, you know, wrecking Glass-Steagall and the welfare reform. And, you know, everybody should be held accountable. I do, I believe in accountability. I believe if you're going to have two million people behind bars, make room for white people, right? You know, that, which is the name of my new sitcom, make room for white people, start locking up, you know, all the CEOs on Wall Street, this guy from Wells Fargo, lock them up. You know, if you told me in like Gen Pop, in like a maximum security prison, not like a nice white people prison, right? And let them get raped, you know, let, let these guys, because that will put, finally put an end to prison rape is when I think if you start having, you start putting Lloyd Blank fine, the head of Goldman Sachs and Jamie Dimon into prison and they start getting raped, suddenly we're going to say, is this really rehabilitation? Oh, so you're saying that because white people are in prison, then white people will have conscience about prison rape and try to end. Right. Okay. So I'm for locking up all these people, both sides. But at some point, then you look at Aleppo and you think, well, this is what happens when David Feldman gets his way. This is like, it's just, wait, what? Well, I, I, I, I think that is my world. Syria is what happens. I think that's a bit of a leap. I mean, look, I think, um, I think that Bill Clinton, um, should be held accountable for things like, um, uh, you know, the, the grand by Lee leach, you know, the, the reversal of, of Glass-Steagall, of welfare reform, of the telecommunications act for that matter. Yeah, the telecommunications act. But, but I don't know, frankly, that I would put him in prison. Um, I think that he should have some political accountability. And I'm glad that, uh, you know, at least there was an opportunity to revisit it, uh, you know, in the, in the, in the, the, the Clinton campaign, he should have resigned. He should have resigned after, but, but, but there's a difference between that and lying your country into a war that results in the deaths, you know, by defense department statistics of literally hundreds of thousands of civilians, uh, displacement of four million people, leaving the region in complete ruins. I mean, I think there's an argument that the, uh, the embargo, uh, you know, Clinton had some, had some sort of like criminal liability on some level. But, but I think you need to maintain some perspective as well in the same way that you shouldn't be hugging, uh, George W. Bush, because he's a sweet man. You know, Alexi failed. I don't know if you know that guy. Do you remember that guy? Alexi failed as a British comedian, part of the, uh, that whole crew in 1980s with the guy, uh, who's black adder and, and, uh, Yeah. And like they, they were a crew. I think they were like in a, in a club called the comedy store and there was this, I remember this, this saying, uh, uh, this quote from Alexi failed. I'm paraphrasing, but he said, you know, the problem with getting famous is that, you know, all your friends get famous and then they become friends with Phil Collins. And you can't talk about how much his music sucks. And I think like, you know, that's if you're, uh, you know, um, uh, if you're, if you're one of, if you're Michelle Obama, you know, after eight years of being in the presidency and being attacked, I imagine, you know, to see, uh, George, uh, W Bush as a human being is a lot easier. Yeah, I always say a little response. I say to why it's up to us. Who don't, who, you know, I don't care if George W Bush is a nice human being, right? Because I only know his name from what he did as a politician. They say he was just a dad and a nice guy who got, you know, fun guy to have a beer with. I wouldn't even be aware that he was alive and go in peace. But here's my question. Oh, sorry. Well, I just, I think that the man should be held accountable. And you know, on some level, you have to realize like, I'm a major public figure from Michelle Obama and hugging this guy might just be too far. Right. You do much. Uh, uh, a firm and hardy hand class might have been better as WC fields would say indeed. But like, don't you think that there was a little bit of election year? Strategy involved in this 2016. Strategy, because my, I felt like there was a secret message embedded in the Michelle Obama, George W. Bush hug, which says, Hey, Republicans who voted for Bush, we know you hate Trump, but we, Obama administration likes Bush administration. Like we're, we're like reasonable people who are all on the same page. Wink a wink of vote for Hillary. That's what I think was going on there. That, that, that could be, and as long as, as long as we're on the topic of, of, um, of presidential hugs, I, I think we should all let Sammy Davis Jr. off the hook for the Nixon hug. I think, I think we should time of time has gone by. I think we should forgive him for that. He could twirl pistols. He had a glass eye. He was hugged everybody. He ran into, they just happened to catch him hugging Nixon at the time and it really hurt his career, that photo and he was a great talent. So I don't think that's, but he was the best, but it was bomb is one of the best songs of all time. But 1972 and you're an African American. You don't hug Nixon. Um, like I said, he hugged everybody. You know, he was a loving person nature, but he sang the Candyman for Christ's sake. Yeah. Well, Candyman can't choose who he hugs. He's a Candyman. So, if I'm a pass, give Sammy Davis a pass for that, he broke down barriers. He was already black and Jewish. So, Sam C. Sam Cedars, the people been still talking about this, only David Feldman. Right. What am I being blamed for Frank Conn? Oh, I'm sorry. It's just a reflex. I've been waiting for Frank Conn just to talk about the Sammy Davis. He has the biggest Sammy who's your axe to grab Sam Cedars, the host of the Majority Report, and everybody should listen to his show and watch it. You can see it on YouTube. I'm going to ask you some questions on where you stand. Did you support Bernie Sanders, or were you a Hillary guy? No, I've been a longtime supporter of Bernie Sanders. And are you supporting Hillary or Jill Stein? I am supporting Hillary Clinton. Reluctantly or enthusiastically? Well, what difference does it make? That's a great point. I think, I mean, you know, look, I think it's, if people want to vote for Jill Stein in a blue state, that's fine. I have no, you know, I don't have strong feelings about it. I can tell you right now, nobody in a red state is voting for blue for Jill Stein. Or in a red state, I mean, I have no strong feelings about it. I'm not terribly impressed with the Green Party's strategy over the past 25 years. I've seen bake sales with better game plans. Well, I mean, look, they want to get to 5%. Theoretically, the strongest argument I've heard is, the Green Party's going to get to 5%. And then they're going to plow that money into down ballot races and et cetera, et cetera. As far as I can tell, they've lost ground in terms of local races over the years. I know there's about 100 electives around the country. I don't know how many statewide, there's maybe half a dozen mayors, if that. But I'm not terribly impressed with them as a political entity, but whatever. But in terms of voting for Hillary Clinton, I mean, I'm going to really pull the lever hard. If that's what you mean, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of, I've never been a huge fan of Hillary Clinton. I think there's going to be a lot more to work with with Hillary Clinton than there would be with Donald Trump. And if she is as calculating and triangulating as, you know, as Bill Clinton was, then that's a good thing because we're living in a fundamentally different era. And the point on that triangle are going to be in very different places. Well, we got welfare reform and the repeal of Glass-Steagall due to the triangulation. But Sam's point is that was a different political. We got that because it was a very different time. And the politics were very different. They were very different at that time. Yeah. And I can tell you that whether or not she's actually going to execute it, I don't know. But her policies are as liberal as any presidential candidate we've had, I think, since we're covered. Right. And I also think that the Bernie Sanders movement can have a very positive outcome if that movement stays strong while she's the president and if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are two strong national figures who hold her feet to the fire about sticking to the progressive platforms that she's that she says she supports. Yeah. And especially if they house in the Senate's way. In my experience in dealing with some, I guess, maybe you call them Bernie or Buster's, but the amount of energy that's going in to demonizing Hillary Clinton makes me wonder if there is enough, frankly, well, I don't know. Yeah. If people are pragmatic enough. You know what? I mean, to just who understand politics. Yes. I've got to realize that like the next thing you do now is you start, you know, you start pressuring from the left. Yeah. You know, I there are people who who ostensibly, you know, they're they're they're progressive bona fide approving that Hillary Clinton has Parkinson's by, you know, throwing down a videotape. Yeah. And to me, that's just moronic. Yeah. And I find that I find that disturbing, frankly. Yeah, I agree. Because I agree 100% because I noticed that during the primaries, a lot of talking points about Hillary, the the a lot of the the Bernie Bros opposing her had the same talking points as Breitbart. You know what I mean? Yeah. They would be. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean, you know, Breitbart's just going to say whatever is, you know, a convenient for them. But but yes, I think there's been like a, you know, a creating a supervillain out of Hillary Clinton when, you know, she is a center, a centrist, a democratic politician whose policies are more or less aligned with with the Barack Obama, except for Obama wasn't in the Senate at the time of that vote. And I don't think there's a huge world of difference between the two, except for she seems to be more amenable to be pushed to the left so far. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't care who she is as a person. I just care, you know, to what extent can the policies that I care about move forward under her presidency? And if they can move more forward because of her flaws, great. I don't care. Yeah. Great point. So, David, let me ask you what the most important issue facing this country is, like, have you concluded, like, after all these years of reading and arguing, what is the one thing if we could solve it, like, getting the money out of politics? To me, it would be banning television advertising. I mean, I look, I think you mean in terms of what in terms of the process or like the most urgent thing we're facing because I think climate change is probably the most urgent thing we're facing. I agree. But it's also, it's interesting that you say television advertising because most of, almost all of Donald Trump's success has come without television advertising. Yes, that's true. Indeed. So, that might not be as big a factor as people thought it was. You know, one law that got passed that is clearly not being enforced, speaking of TV ads, is the so-called, like, the acronym is something really weird like cream. It was to reduce, you know how in cable TV the ads are like five times louder than the show? There was a law passed in Congress about this, like, that went to the FCC, but it's not being enforced. Oh, really? Yeah. And I personally would like to see the enforcement of that. You know, I think it's ATM fees because I feel like that's the most important issue. Like it's total fraud. Yeah. And it costs $3 to withdraw $100 out of ATM. Before you go. Go ahead. David, I would say the thing about ads is, I'll say why I think that's too narrow, because the issue isn't so much electoral politics, I don't think, in terms of money getting money out of politics because it's not, it's not just, it's not just that people give money and they buy politicians that way. It is that politicians swim in waters that are inhabited specifically by one type of fish and they begin to perceive the world in the same way as those people. And I'm not sure, frankly, that it's just about, you know, electoral politics. I mean, if we could, I would say you just, you can't, you can't spend money. You can't spend money that doesn't come from the government on campaigns and just have it all taxpayer funded. But I don't know that we could actually do that in the, you know, I don't know that it's constitutional as the Supreme Court has configured at the moment. And I think there's a, there's a lot of dangers with a constitutional convention that people, you know, sort of a run after. So, I mean, I, I don't know that there is a silver bullet for that stuff, to be honest with you. I think that like people like to think that if we could just get money out of politics or we made corporations not having the same rights as human beings, I mean, the, one of the big things I would do would probably be, you know, limit compensation rules and go back to pre Reagan where there were not, you know, stock options and capital gains taxes having being treated with, you know, differently than the income tax gains. I mean, it's so much of the wealth inequality and the problems with our economy are a function of CEOs and board of directors basically having misaligned incentives with what their company is supposed to be doing. They've financialized all these things. We have a lot of problems with our, to be honest with you, with our, with our supply chains for things like food and, and different fuels. I mean, there's a lot of problems that I don't think there's any one solution. And I don't think it's just money. I don't think that's the only problem. Maybe that is the one that unwinds everything. But I guess if you, if we had the ability to waive a wand, I would just say all elections financed by taxpayer dollars before, but even then Donald Trump probably wins, right? Honestly, like if Hillary Clinton had only like $200 million to run with, how does Donald Trump now win? Is Trump the beginning of a new era in politics or the end of one? I his style. Is he the end of the great communicator? He's not. I don't, I think he's fairly unique, although it's hard to imagine that, I mean, look, here's the thing is that the, the Republican party and the conservative movement were basically training their voters to perceive a guy like Donald Trump as, as exactly what you want in a president, right? For years, they've been saying, we want a CEO president. Well, this guy is a billionaire. There's nobody who can get on stage with him in, in right wing mythology and say anything and know anything more than him because if you're rich and according to the right wing, like you are morally righteous, right? I mean, we all know Paul Ryan's story of like the kid who, who, who wanted a brown bag lunch instead of getting a free lunch because he had no dignity because he, there was something morally reprehensible about people who are poor. Well, the call I read to that is there's something morally righteous about the wealthy. And so he's a billionaire. None of those politicians were going to be able to have an argument with a billionaire. And then you layer in the, the sort of the I perceived anti PC as like racism in like a gas form, right? You had, you know, you had racism in liquid form 40, 50, 60 years ago and before then, and now it's sort of a more like gas form where it's sort of the last vestiges of, of racism and misogyny. You know, our ancestors by virtue of being white and male could own people. If they weren't slaves, then it would be their lives. You know, my mom wasn't even allowed to get a credit card when she was married. She was allowed to get one in her name and she, she was that bad a shopper. She, she had horrible, horrible credit. No, that was the law. That was literally the law. And, and so people in my generation who grew up with that and retain some of that are like, so my dad could own my mom, but you're telling me I can't comment on a woman's breast at work. Yeah, you know, it's like, um, I think that's what the whole anti PC thing is. If you take away his wealth and his anti PC, there's not a lot left that, that Trump is offering, you know, other than just raw nationalism and racism. I do think we have to wrap it up. I do think a lot of marriages would be better off if only one person in the marriage to get a credit card. I listened. That would be great. But why should it necessarily be the wife? I mean, the husband. Oh, I'm just saying, you know, not every lane and stay in it. Sam, yeah. Hey, what are you already setting up is run in 2020. What do you read? How do you, how do you stay so informed? Oh, gosh, what's a typical day for Sam Cedar before his show starts? Well, it starts the day. Is there a regimen? Is there a reading? Yeah, I mean, the after my show ends, I do a sweep for guests. And I look at, um, you know, every show I can find, including yours. I look at book reviews. A lot of book reviews and, um, book lists and whatnot. And then I go to news aggregation sites and poll stories on my Twitter feed. I've, I've, uh, I've got a lot of the type of reporters I want to follow. And I push those tweets to another separate email account. But I'm talking about in terms of like, like Ralph Nader told me. And by the way, on the Ralph Nader radio hour, Noam Chomsky next week. Wow. How's that, how's that for a show? It's going to be a lot of microphone feedback noise, I feel like. Just from the NSA. Just from Nader and Chomsky being right next to each other. So Ralph Nader told me that his baseline is to start each morning with the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, I don't do it that way. What do you do? I'm not 70. I honestly, like I use a, my Twitter feed, like I would have used an RSS feed, um, you know, seven years ago and where I would, what's an RSS feed? No, no, no, I just remember RSS feeds. I was thinking fondly. Right. I mean, that Twitter feed is like that. And so I follow reporters and I put them into, you know, lists and then I make sure I see everything they've tweeted out and I pull the stories that way. So you don't go to the, so you don't go to like the New York Times, the Post, Talking Point memos, Daily Co's. Um, I will go to the Talking Point Memo and Daily Co's. I'll go to like Memo Random. I will go to... What's Memo Random? Oh, you should check that out. It gives you some of the top political stories and then who's commenting on them. Uh, different sites. Sounds good. What about HuffPo? I will go to HuffPo, uh, as well. I like to go to HuffPo to see who's... I'm on there on the day before my show. I like to go to HuffPo to see who's, who's doing stuff for free these days. And what about girl? I love that they are now just ubiquitously including the caveat that Donald Trump is a misogynist racist, no liar, like at the end of every article. It's so funny to me. It's like a man in all hope of like objective news. They've done that since day one. I know. It's so funny. I know. It's so funny. They still refuse to put me on the entertainment page. You know that Andrew Breitbart helped design the Huffington Post? I know that. Yes. Weird. Well, she's a pig. Ariana Huffington. She's not there anymore. Yeah, but she didn't, I mean... She's a horrible human being. It's Kenny Lerner's website. Yeah, but she's a horrible human being. I've never heard, you know, fantastic things. The important thing is she wants you to get sleep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I read her books. The plan is, I feel quite confident that with just even $100 million that I could get more sleep. But could you sleep knowing that you got about half a billion dollars on the backs of bloggers who work for free? I mean, that's why. I think I probably would just go with $100 million. To be fair, all of those bloggers went to Wesleyan and have trust funds. Oh, okay. Could you sleep at night knowing that you wrote the contract for America for Newt Gingrich, which she did? Could you sleep at night knowing that you ran your husband for senator in 1994 calling for the children of immigrants in California to be denied education and health care, which is what she did? I mean, I think that's just a function of ambience, isn't it? Yeah. That's what she did. That's what Ariana Huffington did. I like the idea that she just, that she ran her husband. She did. Michael Huffington. Look what she did for America, David. She did. She made hundreds of millions of dollars to get it off and compose. Also, she was a very big proponent in 2000, as were many in the mainstream media, that there's really no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore. She's part of the same corrupt system. She had the shadow convention in LA, if I remember correctly. And history has proven that. And she plagiarized the book on Picasso. But what about the sleep? Why is this counting the whole push for sleep? Isn't she part of some New Age weird culture? Yeah, John Edwards is something. John Williams or John Edwards? No, Mary and Williamson, I think. No, no, no. John Edwards. No, it's weirder than that. John Edwards, the like. No, it's some California cult leader who teaches you to treat human beings like commodities. Seriously. Oh, so did it come from the film industry? Well, probably. Oh, she's a horrible, Ariana Huffington is a horrible, horrible user. A lot of her horrible qualities, though, she's aggregated into her. They're not hers, she aggregated them. And her husband, Michael. Hey, you should see a movie called, it's about a pedorasty pedophilia in Hollywood. A known secret. Chicken Hawk? No, no, we interviewed the director and the producer. It's called a known secret. Oh, oh, yeah. And Michael Huffington, she was married to Michael Huffington. That's where she got the name from. He came out of the closet in the 90s after he lost the Senate race. Which I believe Diane Feinstein. And he came out of the closet in the movie A Known Secret. He, it's implied that Michael Huffington, Ariana Huffington's ex-husband, was showing up at parties with underaged boys. So he's the guy who was sexually abusing Corey Feldman. No, that was Sam Cedar. Oh. What? No, this is true. I think I'm probably younger than Corey Feldman. And also the young hustlers that Huffington had, he expected them to work for free. Of course. No, seriously, in a movie called A Known Secret, which is about the epidemic of child molestation in Hollywood, Ariana Huffington's ex-husband, it's implied that he is showing up at boy parties. That's what she was married to. Wow. Anyway, speaking of boy parties, the majority report is a great... Five days a week of pedorasty. Yeah. Can't beat that tagline. You gotta take two days off or something. Will you come back? What's that? Will you come back and do our show? Of course. All right. Thank you so much. Sam Cedar, Majority Report. Thank you for having me. It was a blast. Thank you, sir. All right. Bye. Stop that shaming. Well, we're gonna wrap it up. Colleen, will you come back? Sure. When do you leave? My job starts October 31st, so I'll probably leave a couple days before then. Do you have a place yet? Yeah, I'm Airbnb-ing a place in West Hollywood for now. Oh, nice. We're gonna miss you. I'll miss you, too, but if you want to have me on again... Yeah. Can we talk about something from 1990 onward? Okay. Okay. Why? What was it? Was this... It was a tough one for me. I'm not gonna lie. I feel like this is one of my worst participations ever. You were fantastic. Yeah. Well, it's a... I feel like I had nothing to say about old movies. Well, here's the problem. I remember the war. I mean, I was alive for the war. I remember protesting. What you said about nothing being up-to-date here reminded me of something I saw in a Mitzi game. She was hot. She had a real pair of getaway sticks. Getaway sticks. Welcome to the David Feldman After Show, where guests review how they think they did. Yeah, not good. Do you really... Honestly, because I... Yeah. Do you care? I felt totally out to lunch. Yes, of course I care. No, I wanna do a bad job wherever I go to fuck. But you work for everybody who loves you. What... Before you go, what are you brooding about? I'm not brooding. I just feel like I didn't... I couldn't really participate well in this conversation. Because I'm not like that deep cut when it comes to politics. Yes, you are. No, I'm not. Not in the way that you and Sam are or you, Frank. That's not true. It's not my... No, it's like one of these things is not like the other, as they used to say on Sesame Street. Are you being hard on yourself? Sesame Street, that's a really dated reference, by the way. You know, it makes me sad that kids don't watch it anymore because now there's like 500 million cartoons. It makes me sad. I thought you were fantastic. Yeah, I thought so too. Well, that's cute, but you don't have to say that. I thought you were fantastic. I think it's also insight into... It's interesting that you don't think that you were fantastic. Well, but I hate myself also, so there's like that factor. Frank, how do you think you did? I think I was my usual mediocre self. Nothing special. But thanks for having me on. Well, you know, I'm going to say something to both of you. I never take the two of you as her granted. I really don't. I have a little bit of a chest cold, so I could not laugh. You do sound really sick. In a way that I don't need... No, you usually have like a pretty resonant voice and you sound blocked up today. I'm sick. You choked on the word pedorass, so... What happened? How come pedophilia became the trendy word and pedorasty went away? Oh, I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, they mean the same thing, right? Now, do you know the origin? I've mentioned this on the show. No, I don't. Pedorasty comes from pedant. Like a pedant. Oh, like pedantic? Like a teacher. Oh. And it's also foot. Like pedicure. Right. This is my... So teachers have foot fetishes. Well, this is my fairy about the origin of the word pedophilia. That you would sit at the foot of your Greek teacher. Oh, I see where this is going. And then he would molest you. Like, you know, Aristotle. Because then, because if you were sitting at his feet, then your mouth would be at his P.P. level. Yes. Right. And then so that I think that the relationship to pedophilia... I mean, so you were a certain height. Pedicure, pedophilia, and peda... Pedagogy. Pedagogy. It's all the same thing. Gog, G-O-G is like gag, G-A-G. You sit at the feet of your teacher, and while he's... Which, why didn't they have better-sized classrooms back then? They had so much space. They had, like, the whole world practically. Right. It's like, get some fucking desks. Anyway. For my school, it wasn't called... It wasn't called pedorasy. It was called confession. Okay. At our school, it was called Boys Soccer Team. Mr. Whistler. Well, you're going to be on our show before you leave. Sure. And Frank Conniff's new book is 25 Mystery Science Theater 3,000 Films that changed my life in no way whatsoever. Very funny. And everybody, if you love Frank Conniff, and everybody does... And if you don't, what are you, a sociopath? Yeah. And I would say, too, that even if you're not a Mystery Science Theater fan, this book is kind of about a lot of other things, too. So you might enjoy it. Here are some of the movies. There are 25 movies he talks about. Side-hackers. Catalina Caper. Rocket Attack USA. Pod People. Time of the Apes. Stadio. It goes on and on. Monster Agogo. Stadio. The Beatnecks. Santa Claus Conkers the Martians. These are not intentionally funny movies. No. These are movies that were sincerely made. The key to a good Mystery Science Theater movie is the sincerity on the part of the filmmaker. He's a filmmaker who doesn't think they're being funny, who's not in on any joke, who's just sincerely... Edward is kind of the ultimate example of that. I actually write a very... Movies by Edward, not the film Edward starring... Well, the film, I love the film Edward, but the filmmaker Edward, I actually have a very admiring and affectionate chapter about him in this book. So how do you, like, before you go, are there movies that are so bad that you can't even... Oh, yeah, yeah. There are movies that are either so incompletely made, you can't hear what's being said, you can't see what's happening. Are there any bad silent movies? I'm sure there were a ton of bad silent movies, but a lot of good and bad silent movies have been lost forever. So that's something you'll never be able to accurately... Who's that black silent filmmaker who made, like, 40 films in Chicago? Oh, Jolson. Al Jolson. No, no, no. It's like a French last year. Yeah, like Oscar Michaud or something like that. Like almost all his films have been lost to the sands of time, but apparently he made, like, really interesting, but also, like, incredibly poorly made. Yeah, and there was a guy who sang for Duke Ellington, Herb Jeffries, a black guy who starred in a series of low-budget black cowboy movies. Oh, right, right, right. My grandmother used to do silent porn. Oh, really? Yeah. Where she would, like, show her ankle? Like, just sort of lift up the smog, and there would be, like, a little ankle. Nice. No, she was the original tramp. What was her porn name? It was like... She was a tramp. She was a tramp. What was her...? I love fatty art books. Her porn name was, like, Millicent Dirt Road? She did. Her most famous movie was where there was no condom, Safety Last. She used to say, Bus My Keaton. That was her key phrase, Bus My Keaton. Nice. Yeah. Well, didn't she do that gang bang 23 Skidoo? Do you know the origin of the word? That's very funny. Do you know the origin of the word? Yes, I do. Tell me what the origin of the word is. Well, it comes from 23rd Street, Flatiron District. Yes. I don't remember where Skidoo came from. I think it came from those jet skis in the 80s. No. Skidoo? Go ahead. No, that was in 1984. 23 Skidoo. Yeah. It was brought by, and there were, like, the subway grades, and her skirt would blow up, and everyone would be like, Yay! And that turned into 23 Skidoo. You're almost there. You're almost there. When the Flatiron building was built, it changed the microclimate on 23rd Street, and it became windy. All of a sudden, 23rd Street... Oh, that's right. ...became very windy. Mm-hmm. And what would happen is, guys like Frank and I, this is the guy... It was you and Frank. Let's admit it. Yes. And Frank had his Flatiron building, because I'm being sure you had a chance of seeing ankle. Right. The wind meant that you could see a woman's ankle. These were the people who were subscribing to your grandmother's horns, right? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. When they got those flip books in the mail. Yes. Guys, I'm not making this up. Guys would hang out on 23rd Street to look at women's ankles being revealed by the wind. Mm-hmm. And the police would go, Skadoo! Get out of here! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Skadoo! Okay. And if you, in New York, any time a guy was hanging out on 23rd Street, the police knew what they were, they were looking for ankle, and the cops would go, Skadoo! Skadoo! And then it evolved into, you're giving me the 23... Like, so 23 Skadoo meant a brush off. It wasn't like me at all. You're telling me to leave. I'm getting the 23 Skadoo. Okay. It means get out of here. Okay. Because it means... I thought 23 Skadoo just meant kind of like, need-o. No. Okay. And then it was also a Greek neighborhood where they had schools and kids which show their ankles to the teachers to get better grades, and that's where... I felt like it was a valiant attempt at a call back. Yeah, it didn't happen. For those who are about to call back. But that's the truth about 23 Skadoo, and we're going to 23 Skadoo out of here. Let's hope so. Look, I got to go trolling for ankle if you know what I'm saying, so... I am headed straight to the Flatiron building. Man, this is some... Hopefully there will be some gents and capris. I wondered why I got a heart on every time I went to the Flatiron building. And it wasn't just that big clock? No. Or the Marmeco store? I get a heart on every time I walk by... Where was the Shirtwaist factory fire? Oh, Washington Square main building at NYU. Is it still there? Yeah. There's a plaque. It's a different structure now, but that's where it was. My great-grandfather was the guy who locked all the doors of the Shirtwaist factory, so they couldn't get out. Wait, for real? Yeah. So they couldn't get out. Wow. And it was a tragedy. Afterwards, he couldn't get hired anywhere. Was it real? The biggest... How old is that, Joe? How long have you been telling that, Joe? The thing that... I'm guessing I'm going to say 17 years. But you know what upset Chris Christie was the triangle cheesecake factory fire? It was these cheesecakes, you see, that were in the shape of triangles. Yes, and that went on fire. It was a tragedy. It was a prototype, and after that tragic event, they never made triangle shaped cheesecakes again. And he was so upset because he was so pleased by their unique shape. I'm just going to keep going. Oh, God. Tubercular, David Feldman. Jim Earl. He's like a low-budget Eugene O'Neill character, only Jewish. When we were doing the show live for KPFK, it was the 100th anniversary... Kapufka? Kapufka. And it was the 100th anniversary of the triangle Shirtwaist factory fire. And so Robert Smigel calls in as Willard Scott wishing 100... Oh, my God. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. You know, happy birthday triangle Shirtwaist factory. Oh, my God. Many more to come. And then we're live, and Jim Earl and I start talking about, what is a shirt waist? Like, what is it? And Jim goes, and there was no seven seconds away, Jim goes, I don't know what a shirt waist is. You know what? Screw them. I'm glad they all burned to death. No, but I actually have a... That went over really well on KPFK. Is not a shirt waist. What is a shirt waist? It's like, remember in the olden days how they made shirts without collars and cuffs? Like you would put them on with the brads or whatever? I believe the shirt waist was the fabric-y part. I.e. the shirt minus collar and cuffs. I'm so old. Possibly. I'm so old. Yes. Period. When I said I want to get some tail, it meant an actual woman with a tail. Nice, nice. That's how old I am. God bless. Pope Springs Eternal. From the show Briss Studios in downtown Manhattan, that'll do it for us. Let me tell you about a podcast that I listened to. Two of my friends hosted, and I think you should listen to it. 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