Alright, give me a characterization of your childhood.
I was the total opposite of what I am now. I was quiet, withdrawn, I read a lot, I wrote poetry.
At what point in your early life were your exposed to this quote unquote thug life mentality?
When I was out there by myself with no where to stay and no money
Bits of it was in Baltimore. Pieces of it was in Marin City and then the rest came in Oakland.
And what was your first introduction?
Drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes. That's really it. Criminals. They just the only people that cared about me at that point when I had nowhere to go and I was hungry.
But you said your mother always cared about you.
She did but she was lost at that particular moment. She wasn't caring about herself at that particular moment.
And what was that like?
I love my mom. She the bomb to me so.
I know she is now but what about then?
It was hard. It was hard because, you know, she was my hero.
And what did you do when you stopped going to school?
I only had two jobs ever in my life. One was at Roundtable Pizza, I used to make the pizza but it was good, it was the perfect job, Tabitha, 'cause I was hungry and I got to like eat all the toppings of peoples pizza. That's where I ate 'cause everything is right there. If you imagine I was making pizzas on the side, bringing pizzas home, I'm calling in my own deliveries.
[Tupac looks at a woman walking by wearing a bikini]
I'm saying we're on Venice Beach that's what you're supposed to do. I've been in jail for 11 months, Tabitha. You got let me get a look once or something [laughs].
Do you think it's important to tell your fans that it's not cool for you to end up in jail?
I don't have any problem telling people it's not cool to go to jail 'cause I've been there and it's not cool.
So just tell me how you have been feeling with all the stuff that's been going on in the last couple of weeks.
Good. Relieved. Happy to be home. It's a trip when you know that last week you were in jail and I was in this little cell and it was real dirty and not have any hot water and dudes were telling me when to shower and when to eat and all of that and then next week I'm up "Manny's" with champagne, filet mignon and lobster and shrimp.
Did you feel like your life was ever threatened in jail?
By the guards not by the inmates. 'Cause they did just everything they could do to try to break me because I used to talk a lot of shit, you know, coming out of jail.
No, not you.
I know I know it's hard to believe, Tabitha, but you just got to picture it. But, uh, you know, they would say things 'cause they would call you, uh, jail was the first place where I can go and they just went as soon I got there they went, "There he goes." He goes, "Who?." "There is the rich nigger." I was like, "Oh shit, he said nigger, he said nigger!" and everybody was looking and me like, "So?." I was like, "Oh my God, this is where I'm gonna be staying. He said nigger."
Well you got niggers in one of your records.
Nigga. They're talking about niggers. Niggers was the ones on the rope hanging out on the field. Niggas is the ones with gold ropes hanging out at clubs.
Well maybe not everyone is not aware of the differention.
They don't have to be. Everyone if your not a nigga and you don't use that word you don't have to understand it. It's not one of those things.
How did you meet the girl in the alleged rape?
I met her in the club. Some guys introduced me to her.
And she was very forward with you?
And what happened?
She did some things and...