 Okay. Can we just do a round of who everybody is because Mark doesn't know everybody yet? Oh, okay. Sure. Hi, Mark. I'm Denise Whelan. Nice to meet you, Denise. Nice to meet you, sir. Well, I'm Mark. Since I'm a new one, I'm Mark Mowling. You know I do it. You mean us? Bruce Johnson. But you can tell because we, of course, the first time ever, we have a car. So I know who I am. Thank you. Well, no, we, all of us are the 18 now, we have to remind ourselves. I'm Sharon Lynn. I'm on, I'm a member of the Call of Slaw Force. You guys are members of the board? Yeah. Yes, John. Yeah, they get the name tags when you come in. Okay. And our other, there's Rick Warren. And John's on the team. John Bravan. Hey, John. John Bravan. Judith Dillon. I'm here. I'm a member of the East Montpilier Select Board. Hi. Carl Etten. I am East Montpilier Select Board. There we go. Okay. I'm Seth Gardner, East Montpilier. There we go. Yeah, okay. That's right. Yeah. And we see you too, Katie. Did you call any notice? Yep. We're good to go then. That means it's going. You're already in process. You asked about executive section. I did. We have not had, we, we haven't in. Yes. And publicly we have, you know, made the community aware that we have opened the contract for negotiation, but we have so far dealt with the issue in executive section. Oh, yeah. Yes. Because it's contract. So, and so from our perspective, I say we have not come in. So I guess from Cal's perspective, we would like to continue to do this in executive session. All right. So that means that requires a motion. If you guys are okay with that, then we each have to make a motion to convene an executive session under BS. What is it, three? 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13. A the sub-provision for contractual negotiations. Okay. Do you have a motion, Jim? That is a motion. Okay, I will second it. Okay. Calus Board on favor. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I I know do we want to call us do we want to invite our recording secretary to take notes and you'll take notes of the guy you can want to like we can take we can take our own notes because we're going to land somewhere and we'll have because Bruce is probably you know you don't take minutes in executive session you can take notes and the notes are not public right right so we can take notes right we can take notes and then and that way we can let Katie and don't we put it reporting on well I don't think you mind um if you prefer to have it have her here to take the notes Denise has fine yeah I think it just makes it easier for us to have Katie take the notes so I would invite our recording secretary and you take notes not minutes okay so we we have to make the motion ourselves it's a double motion too please I'll make the first part of the motion the finding okay yep you're doing that problem I did yes in the second part is to go in so somebody needs to second the finding motion that we need to go in okay then we vote on that all in favor the eyes have it and the second is to actually go in right I'll make that motion too I'll hang out for one sec uh Ty is here are you going to be willing to invite him in I don't know because we haven't involved in the session uh so that would be the whole point that would be the whole point of being an executive session well we're but right so if it's only two of us we're not in this we're not negotiating we're discussing right but the findings the finding piece of the east modular most motion if I'm under if I'm understanding by extension what you're finding or you're finding that that the negotiations would be compromised if you have a discussion in public am I right about that Bruce you're right that's what the finding is but what what you're trying to decide now is whether to invite Ty and yeah and if you choose not to invite Ty and I would ask that you let Ty talk first right before you go into the session yes I would say I don't see any reason to go into executive session if if Ty is going to be here I don't see why we should include exclude the rest of the public right agree I agree that's why I never wanted to go in the exact recession discusses anything so my understanding is we'll let Ty speak then the board is going to go into executive session if that's what you desire I mean I'm sorry I'm why I guess I was uncertain as to the purpose of this I thought Ty was going to be part of our conversation and not just you know speak and then leave if we're talking about the document itself is like Ty is here we can all discuss it we're not in the next session the two boards haven't had a chance to talk about this okay yeah can I chime in yeah can I chime in it's common place to have negotiators those negotiating contract to work together in executive session we've done that in our union negotiations you might remember call us select board members but then we would also have executive sessions without the other party present so I would strongly encourage us to first since Ty is there we invite Ty into executive session with us we have our frank open discussion which is the real purpose of our executive session meeting and then we ask Ty to leave having heard him and then we have a conversation between the two select boards and see where that leads so that's my suggestion so so um John one one point of correction when we were meeting with the union we actually weren't in a meeting or an executive session we were in neither of those things just to be I think I feel it's really clear to say that out loud we weren't having a select board meeting we didn't go into executive session we just had a meeting which under according to our town lawyer was completely permissible it didn't have to be worn as a meeting didn't have to be so we didn't have to go have an agenda we didn't have an agenda we didn't go into an executive session did which which probably John doesn't ultimately change the point that you're making but I feel like we want to be really clear about that right in case anybody watches the movie and says wait a minute but why don't we just have Ty speak to us before we go into executive session yeah I guess some groundwork for us to have our meeting executive session after this how much time did you a lot okay oh um we allotted 10 minutes no just 15 minutes no what the item was going to do at that time it doesn't matter you're here we're here all right we're not under a time constraint at this point everyone loves this stuff yeah all right so okay so let's not go into executive session see what Ty has to say then go into executive session after five weeks okay so that's what we're going to have to do okay yes yeah can I see you I think from my side hearing part of the conversation and answering the questions would be much easier we are zero response from call us either for or against the meeting or not meeting at all and we might see seven months of this with no communication prior to this um so I think it would be easier for me to answer questions you guys have about what you're seeing or what you just liked or about what we put for well let's do that we'll be looking at what we have so why didn't you explain to us your counter proposal well I think our kind of proposal was geared towards trying to answer the concerns you guys have brought forth the largest one being the transparency you know we felt that we could acknowledge that part on the floor at the town meetings you know and answer that there we also felt that it was important to hear the purpose of calling the the contract out you know and what the issue was again trying to overstep into any boundaries of the select board's authorities or to just do it without reason but I feel that in the process of looking at the process that occurred I think we went a long time with no answer and no information as to what was going on and to why I feel it would be beneficial if we're all partners in this together that we would be able to openly communicate that part of what we put on the floor again not fully understanding the the three year proposal part of it if that was a three-year with no discussion or if that was a three-year still with the same kind of discussions that we were doing on the annual renewal we felt that annually doing it the way we were was a review in December we would meet annually already is if there's an issue let's talk about it um you know let's try to resolve it without going through this process the other one was a timeline there was a timeline proposal you guys had put forth I think we've seen systematically through this year the timeline proposal didn't even come close to being able to work for the shortened version on the proposal versus leaving it the longer window of time to try to accomplish this Denise you were on so we went we wrote this originally and this was probably a year and a half we had negotiations with them and John was on in John right and I think you would be much better to have a more streamlined version with more open conversations I think that's what our goal was overall was to stimulate more conversation in a shorter window of time to try to come through resolution versus this process just go on and on and on and you know you guys have discussions we're not included then it comes to us we respond you guys have discussions we're not included because on because we're gonna come you know that didn't seem really productive for me um I got a lot of other things to do a lot of other meetings and everything as you guys do we'd like to be able to just resolve it and come to solution as quickly as possible well and we call us put forth um our document East Montpelier made some changes to it and you may change us to that so I think everybody's been kept in the loop we received your email your amended document on September 18th and we haven't had a chance to do much with it since then we have reviewed it and so now we feel like it's time to review it with East Montpelier select board as you had a fire department board meeting we weren't invited to that meeting to talk about the document which you obviously did at your board meeting correct right I'm not saying I'm not saying you shouldn't have a board meeting discussions independently of things but we openly put out a request to meet with you folks we gave several options of dates East Montpelier responded back that they could not make that date and things that would be looking at it tonight and then going forwards um you know that I got zero response from call us we received the document we had a meeting on September 27th we heard back from East Montpelier and this is the first chance the call us like we're going to have a chance to come together with East Montpelier well why don't we just look at the document because that's what we're talking about because that's not I think the problem is that if this is not a contract between three parties who are all the same it's not like three cities this is a contract by which two cities are negotiating with a fire district for services so it's fine just like the fire district can talk to its board it's fine for us to talk to you and talk about what we as the contracting parties you know the ones who are asking them to provide services what our concerns are I think it's fine for us to do that in such a session okay but right now what we're trying to do is tease out of time the changes that were made in the document and move forward with that discussion right so that's where we're meeting here right but that's what we have and have the document from the fire department to look at in executive session from the two boards to discuss their changes so we can move and and it's my understanding Ty and I I think I don't understand fully um I want to just um Mark said the fire district but it's my understanding that East Montpelier is not East Montpelier fire department is not a fire district correct it's not it has no municipal charter it's a nonprofit organization right yeah I think Mark's just no no no I know but again I want to say but I know I want to make sure that we're because because that could be an important difference so we want to make sure we're attaching ourselves essentially to the right thing yeah I think you just called it wrong right no I know I know but but there is a thing that is a fire district but this is not it yeah we're all agreeing on that yeah um so I think that the boards need to go into executive session and discuss the changes if I may comment um this is Judith Dillon I'm I guess I'm still not understanding why we need to talk just between the uh select boards I thought the purpose of tonight's meeting was to get the input of the um fire department in part because it felt it had been left out of this process and this was an opportunity to get all three parties in the same room to talk about what the concerns were and to see if we can resolve um the issue I I I don't know what utility will come from just having the um uh municipality select boards in a room talking about it saying golly well why do they want this why do they want that their tie is here now why don't we have that conversation right now and we can you know all three parties to this contract are in the room there's no need to go into executive session so why don't we have the conversation well we may need eventually to go into executive session but I agree with you Judith that we can make good use of tie while he's here tie has been asked uh to explain the proposal from the fire department and we heard about the process I I'd like to you know ask the question again of tie uh tell tell us about your proposal what why did you propose making the changes that you proposed please I think it'd be easier Carl a little bit for you guys to ask your questions that I can answer them directly in the explanation to us and I think that's kind of the whole concern when you guys go into executive session you guys are talking about it without the understanding of maybe where it came from but for us to understand slowly what your question is student voting answer accordingly um seems like just the open communication is a much better way to go well and I don't disagree about open communication but as I stated the third department had a meeting where you talked about the contract in your whole meeting that we were not invited to so to me this is our opportunity to do what you have already done I think but I don't want to I don't want to delay the semantics of the process about because everybody's had meetings individually on their own we've come to the table I think the result of this will be the same result as we had the last time if you guys come out with a output of change and you hand it off to us we're going to come back again and end up having to try to do this again down the road we're just kicking the football farther away okay so rick once hi denise I'd like to speak yeah I agree with ty and jude on this I just soon have this conversation with I mean with pie in the room this there's I know this you know I don't I think we can get a lot farther if we gotta talk much on to the change I mean going through I in this discussion yeah I don't think you should talk about no I don't hear I said we don't need to go that it's such it's like a such something you can do that please okay so let's let john speak on yeah and I generally concur with the theme that's being presented by rick and judith I'll say generally I think it would be great if ty would walk through well not only his proposed language that we've now seen from middle mid september but also what his concerns were with the language that was that we pretty much came together with east montpelier and callus pretty much came together on that provided the leeway to both select boards should they decide to have a separately warned article in their town report for the east montpelier fire department budget and before I get off my pedestal I'm going to remind ty what has just been said five minutes ago that we are both municipal entities callus and east montpelier the fire department is a private nonprofit organization we have an obligation to run our town meetings as we see appropriate in our towns and I really frankly feel it's an overreach and we could voluntarily agree to that if we thought it made good sense for our communities but for the a nonprofit that we're contracting for services to direct us to contract or otherwise how to orchestrate our town meeting agenda and whether or not to warn a substantive budgetary item as a separate item and I've said this before we warned the keloch hub it hubbard library item it's a large bite in our budget it's at times very controversial sometimes we expect it to be a blow up and it blows right through but we do this with woodbury we used to do it with east montpelier fire department east montpelier callus fire department and I don't see why we shouldn't continue along that those lines I see that east montpelier callus fire department has proposed going back to the same language that really was in the initial grievance by at least the callus select board in this regard and I don't see my my mind changing now maybe tonight you can change my our minds ty but I'd like to hear from ty let's walk through the letter what's in the areas of contra in controversy most of it I think we still have an agreement on and and then we can go into executive session as carl suggests um after afterwards see where we're all at that's what I was just going to say john I could see agreeing to going through the language as opposed by the fire department and then the two boards going into the assessment of section after the rest of the board sorry I'm just going to ask can I throw the agreement up do you want to have it on screen sure you know what I'd like to do we see it from there I want to I want to just underscore the point john made that where where what the callus select board what the callus select board was looking for I would not characterize as transparent because because ty I would never say that the budget of the east montpelier fire department wasn't known to the town it was it's it's there as a as a line item I guess it wasn't broken out but the issue from our perspective that I think we were really clear on is the fundamental issue was that we were contractually bound to not present it a separate item which became which became a very important thing for us to be able to do and I still I as john just said I and I agree I still feel like that's critically important this is what I agree I mean to share and that's the fundamental point it's not correct here you know that's the way you need to visit us about and that is our right as well and we need to take that we don't want to contract it away yeah we can't we're not signing off on that oversight we work for the that doesn't mean we are a different policy you know and this is I think as you are being leaders this is important point to maintain their trust and support I mean just as a positive and what and you know personally I've heard from town voters that want to see this on the on the morning and I think you know we have our meetings about the budget so it's transparent nobody's suggested that it wasn't transparent so let's so let's move on we don't need to look at the memo I would think first I think just do you want to look at the memo after all well just a little document you had circulated something like a slight tweak to this that was something that you just sent to um some of us is a possible compromise that came from callous callous yeah it has changed began since yeah yeah never mind never mind that take that right off the table yeah for now okay so what we're looking at is the version that the tyson tyson okay on September 18 that's what we all know so somebody oh that's the one that gets that sent around about the one year three year thing this is no this is this is the one from ty and I don't the only two things that callous had on their plate was item number one and six so I initially initially right so item one um and unfortunately Ty didn't lean in where we had put hang on hang on because we suggested a three three year president five year if you look at what was initially sent around yeah and this is the one that the two I think this is the one that the two boards okay so the anyways the one three or five that was a deal that was the that was the bigger issue in this and then the fire department wanted to stay tight so assuming it was the whole court um came back with this different language which was changed it back to five five months all that five months instead of three right and then they have added an annual review of the contract shall be included in the annual December budget meeting which is I'm assuming they're talking about a meeting between that's what this is this is the three competing languages right there oh you wrote it for paragraph one right so what the fire department came back with and I'm assuming when they're talking about the December meeting they're talking about the meeting that the fire department and the town staff together soon that's what it what he means but it doesn't want to say that um it shall be required to hold a joint meeting of the three parties within 30 days of the non-renewal notice the notice of says renewal I think it's I think it's meant to say non-renewal here shall include an explanation of the issues of the issues the party wishes to address and that joint meeting a schedule of joint meeting shall be set with a minimum of one joint meeting of the three parties per month until the renewal date so that's the language fire department came back with in response to what we provided um I think Cal assigned it in August and you signed it in July and our language is um which one can you which one is it the initial term shall be one year commencing the existing agreement Bruce it's right there in the middle yeah the okay so so that it shall be it shall be required can I just ask Ty a couple questions an annual review of the contract shall be included in the annual December budget meeting that seems reasonable like something we probably have been doing yeah it is if a notice of non-renewal is given by one party it so there's a pronoun it shall be required to hold a joint meeting of the three parties within 30 days of the non-renewal notice can you Ty just explain to us what it means and how you envision that playing out with a timeline of 30 days I think the goal through that portion is to facilitate this happening with a timeline and so who is is is is does it mean with all three of us together at the table and and so initially if we look back at how this process occurred right it was kind of thrown to the air in December but nothing officially done I don't have all the dates but it wasn't till it was in March maybe and then it was an April meeting we asked about what the details were at our joint meeting and we were told there was no details at that point it would be coming out and then it didn't come out with actually what the specifics were until end of May if I remember correctly um and then we didn't actually officially meet on anything or have any communications back and forth directly until the August meeting where we met in August and I think that was our concern is that to be able to somehow come to a term in agreement that says we can do this faster we can do this more efficiently we can do this better and how do we do that what do we what do we need to do with this is I mean this is what we kind of need we need to have a bunch of proposals when we're in December whenever that time is so we can actually get filled with our budget process we have a town going to town meeting and then we've got authorization to use that money they put that from that point we can either we notice we to move forward or we have a non-agreement at that point where we we do you know we begin that negotiation with you if we have if we were to have to do that that's those are the those are the fixed points for us it's town meeting because that's when we are authorized by the taxpayers to do that but but I agree with all of that but if we go back to the specific language it's that Tai or the the EMS that you can play a fire district fire department proposed would it equally meet your goals if it said if a notice of non-renewal is given by one party the parties shall endeavor that's a word that has been put out there before the party shall endeavor to hold a joint meeting of the three parties within 30 days of the non-renewal that sounds like what you described to me to do that I think the the some of the discussion with the current award was the word endeavor and what's the commitment to fill an endeavor well and that was the question because again how do we resolve something like this you know we look at this we look at this it's about 11 years with no issues you know and then we do a relot and we're we're working our way back to this backwards in some ways it seems like well i'm not going to give you issues for you up to this point but there can be threats we know the way our town responds in different circumstances this come back you know this can not work out and it's got there's a sniff factor to this kind of thing you know this is a big bunch of life it's like a lot harder and if you take that right away from the taxpayers and they can rightly get upset by that and it can sway decisions that they've prepared for me that's great support and counts I mean these two very very strong books and that will continue but we have a do you know there's a new diligence that we have to the taxpayers who they are engaged in this process they're not pushed out of it they're not by politicians they're part of it and they need to feel really strongly about that that they need that's the way we keep them engaged so Sharon here if your problem is your concern the word required and that it and it should it shall be required i jumped in here i'm carl let me finish okay so i think we should just put a pin in this because because none of the three of us can compel the others to show up at a meeting within 30 days so there's i understand the intent is if somebody posts a notice of non-renewal there needs to be some energy around having a meeting but even if even if callus is the party that that alerts you know or or provides notice of non-renewal we cannot compel the other two parties to show up at a meeting within 30 days so somewhere in there the it especially if it is the non-renewing party which i i'm imagining is might be in some people's minds so they were the non-renewing party cannot be required to hold the joint meeting within 30 days because we cannot compel the people to show up so i'm not i'm not saying that we should read that to death i'm just flagging that as a as an issue which could become luke as we move through the rest of the discussion but the way that it's structured right now it doesn't work on its face now it doesn't so wouldn't we be able to have an agreement between the three parties of how we accomplish a meeting process going forward that would be absolutely agreeable that would be followed through on versus number two versus try to versus we may never do all sure but that's all but but but but it shall be required and if we replace it with what i'm going to imagine is your attempt if a notice of non-renewal is given by one party the non-renewing party shall be required that doesn't work i'm flagging that issue and all i'm saying is flag it we should move on in our discussion and recognize that doesn't work okay i want to just interrupt if we may try yep i'm done i was just going to i think you've said well Sharon what i was going to say if somebody's going to quit an agreement you can't force them to do anything so let's move on i agree okay so then it goes on to say the notice of renewal and i think you meant to say non-renewal is that correct side in your sentence there the notice of renewal i think you meant to say non-renewal shall include an explanation of the issues the party wishes to address it sounds like you're going to know not renewal because there's what we there wouldn't be any issues to address right so type okay i want to be clear at that joint meeting and i'm assuming that joint meeting is the one you're referring to in the sentences above do you want to schedule a joint meeting shall be set with a minimum of one joint meeting of the three parties per month until the renewal date which yep that i don't that doesn't want to make a lot of sense to me when you say until the renewal date and going back to the issue we you can't compel we can't compel the fire department we can't compel these not really our select award if you want anything that they're not willing to do so going going back again to the word um resolution or something like that um where does it say so set with a minimum of one joint meeting of the three parties per month i don't think you compel that so i don't think our goal is to try to keep power try to do and force the select force to do anything on the ordinary our goal is to try to have a process that's going to be in place that when we agree that we do this action we all follow that action going forward so we can say on the front side this is our commitment if we pull this plug on this and we want to change that we're willing to meet once a month to resolve this if we're willing to meet twice or every two months but i think that having a plan is important so that we can actually successfully accomplish this okay all right so we can change the language yeah i think i think we can move on to the next i think we we understood the replacement yes right the process and i actually don't disagree with having something in place so we can move forward right because even on the other side we're like what's going on you know you know i think it's going right right yeah we just yeah a better we should put something in there yeah right right so even that in the terms of compiling and requiring right i could just make one more yeah and backwards a little bit yeah is we're in no way trying to keep this from discussion on the floor or anywhere from the taxpayers we're all taxpayers in these towns as well um we have no fear of the support from the town's people for what we do um i didn't realize because i don't read the callous town report i didn't realize you guys don't publish the same reports that get published in each small pair so our full budget sheets that we report to you guys in december are all fully published page by page in the town report in each small pair they're fully broken out and you guys aren't doing that in cows but that's that was part of our suggestion is also the fact it's opened up that everything is there and then we're willing to have that conversation on the open floor which then allows you the same platform to open the discussion that's necessary which i think will be really important when we're warning it as a separate item right okay so what's the next topic later that's it well this is the number six emfb shall report to have voters at the annual town meeting during the article specifying to ask questions about town so you're instead of what you're doing is when we open up town meeting we give people the opportunity to ask questions and many of the town boards commissions committees whatever you're suggesting that that's when you would do it not when it would come up as a separately warned separately warned item you have a discussion about the budget yeah well if it was because our proposal is for it to stay within the flood board budget because again that's part of the commitment you guys accept in december this is okay we approve just to go forward because again those are those are the discussion boards right there when we meet in december to talk about this that was that was exactly that was that it was the whole point of our non-regulatory we understand that so we responded that we don't fully agree with that but we feel that there's some concerns for callas directly with the impacts of what this will do when you open up to party departments on the floor that haven't been on the floor and parallel to each other it may seem parallel your beer is there it may seem i understand that but it may seem parallel but it may also be film oppositional on the floor why because you're going to have discussions openly now that our parallels you don't have two agencies that are talking about the same thing throwing the drops of the same money so if they ask for a truck these small beers not asking for a truck with it for us now we may go forward and ask for a truck and truck again that may not slowly work out the anticipated way that you think it will they could also have a negative impact of people feeling oh why do we need what we're in the standboard or why do we need this or that and and they're they're important to what you guys have for service out in that region on the far edges of counts and they have this come up over time but we always just we have those questions on the floor it's it's it's ironic to me that that it's ironic that you that we would be worried about separating it out and having it go differently because if there's that much of a concern that the discussion will go down differently when it's a separate item that to me that actually argues that it should be a separate item if there's that much concern that people have that much to say or that much of a visceral you know whatever about this budget item that has to be tucked in behind the town budget that argues that actually argues to me that it should that it should be outside so it doesn't appear that we're keeping anything from the vote this is their money this is their tax dollars we have a we have an obligation to them to present the budget and be open and honest about what is in the budget the way it is now people probably look at the the budget but they don't really realize that they could call that out and could have called it out anytime already so we want to make we want to be do our due diligence and be forthright about what your money taxpayer is going towards and we and it sounds to us like you don't want us to do that because then it might not make that an ace and i i would like to contribute um you know a lot of this contract language it has embedded in it a theme that requires both east montpellier township and callous township to unequivocally back the budget and unequivocally back the the fire department and i have no problem with that but the benefit to select boards volunteer select boards and yes we have to live in these towns that we set budgets for two that we tax people based upon um having the fire departments there front and center both of them when that article comes up explaining why their town officials backed such a contract in much greater detail than quite frankly we're capable of and answering those questions in great detail kind of like our state rep comes to our town meeting and answers sometimes very difficult questions gets yelled at at times for positions she has taken but that's important to the community understanding how we got to where we are and you know frankly we i want to see the east montpellier fire department support us the town of callous and frankly our partners east montpellier select board uh they we we do endeavor to support your operation obviously we we'd be of schitt's creek without it that's spelled s c h i t t s creek without it you guys um and but it it's it's a collaborative effort and i want to see more frankly more presence i want to see frankly if i could make a demand east montpellier fire department come to our select our town meeting and put the same level of effort in explaining why we have this these numbers in our budget and these warned items um and explain the value to the community of of their spending their hard earned tax dollars on these these items um woodbury does that consistently they never been fearful they're always proud and they they wave their flag and time and again they get standing ovations i want to see east montpellier fire department get the same because at the end of the day that's a standing ovation for our collective effort and the folks on our select board so um that's i'm gonna get off my podium but that's a big deal for me i would agree i mean i think it would serve the fire department well to come to the meeting see some meet some of the people burn a fire truck so the kids can see it become you know become a little bit more a part of what we're doing on your behalf just to clone some of this too that's why when they vote they on an article they they're saying they say no and they generally say yes on these you know why they always open this is a great service you know but that's what if i support that's an arrangement so what language is um the fire department change in paragraph six after we signed off on it they changed i'm not clear what that changed what she's um right there is that paragraph six yes you muddle the way that's a new paragraph six so that's the one we signed off on right the top one is the one we signed off on the one you can't see anymore is the original and the bottom one is is the but it's okay but it's both one and six that have been tinkered right once on the page but we used that one but they already know you once now we're looking at six right right so six is a new version six is what two select board degree two no no the one we're looking at right now is the one that um fire department to compose new agreement emfd but the one above it is the one that the two that's what we signed off on and so we were so we were in agreement the two select boards on that like on the top right but the bottom one is right well it's a lot of new languages and one that says such amount should be categorized and identified it's related to general governmental expenditures not supplementary useful budget item right that's the if you're talking about the one where Bruce has circled it yeah i first did not circle it i don't know who circled it i didn't do it that's some technique i didn't have any clue how to do it so anyway maybe it was maybe it's the one that says propose new agreement the top and the middle yeah the middle one of the top one is it is now yes so that's the one that we signed off on so in my in my view because it's quarter of nine and that's the one other stuff to do i'm sure is that we've heard from ty yeah the two select boards should now go into executive session we would tie if there anything else in terms of your this issue this issue i understand fully you've told us you're uncomfortable with it it's a separate item you're worried about yes is there anything that she won't think i said that at all not probably no i don't hear what the tax clearance will say yeah i i think that there would be possible revolutions that haven't been considered um such as we we are already in this bottom quarter paragraph here adjust everything that john just brought up about coming we're doing some presentations we've said that we would do that more diligently yes maybe we haven't had the presence the last few years it's been challenging for what we're doing when we're extremely busy and so we're out and we're out and we've been able to make the cut we we acknowledge that part right so we say okay but in terms of it not being warned as a feather item is there any other thing you want to say about that well i think we have some concerns that what happens and again these are hypothetical pieces i don't want to live in the world hypotheticals yeah but what is the consideration if all of a sudden it does change the dynamic on the floor and counts right and just to say if it was going down more out of all this more all of a sudden this is when we want to take 50 000 from the partner project and what does that do in relationship to east welfare okay because there's agreements that are in place to how the cost sharing is and how does that get worked out and none of that has been in discussion that i'm aware of and has a worked out solution to how that comes to play in march well i guess that's thank you i think that's something that i we know details would have to work out right but we i think i'm not quite i guess i'm saying is everybody says we really wanted to hear from ty right about these are issues that's what i asked is there anything else and i think we've heard them out so now we can don't do exactly so right and we didn't vote we had the motion but i don't believe we voted to go into executive session did you think i can't remember we didn't call us did okay we did okay so now it's your turn do we want to go into executive session discuss this thing i guess i don't do that's what we agreed to all right okay and we're just going to go away as well yeah we already voted on the motion on the first time we didn't think right i was on the verge of making the motion the second part of the motion to actually go into executive session i'll do that now right we we voted to ask katie to stay in and take notes on our discussion not minutes notes and we're gonna okay in the photo we're gonna include Bruce you guys yes don't have to no we are so so in the motion we're including i agree executive session it's time thank you all right so did you make the motion i did okay including bruce did we get a second on that i'll second it oh amy made the second all those in favor hi all the members of the callus select board and katie too but there are any executive sessions yeah they can be in ours we're not the recording