 Thank you it is four o'clock and we're calling this meeting to order members of public can participate in this meeting by attending in person from room M from room 3 at 69 stony circle the public can also view and listen to the meeting we assume by visiting HTTPS colon four slash four slash SR city hyphen or dot zoom dot us four slash j four slash eight one seven eight one seven three eight zero nine eight or by calling in via phone dialing eight seven seven eight five three five two five seven or and entering webinar ID eight one seven eight one seven three eight zero nine eight and we have a new board member with us yesterday Sarah Hart representing district one appointed by council member alvarez welcome thank you and can we have a roll call please present at the meeting our chair baton board new member new board member heart board member mckinsey board member nara board member excuse me vice chair ridlington board member schwarz absent our board member emily kyle now worn she changed her name and a board member of prindle is also absent thank you thank you so as members of the public join the meeting in person or we assume you'll be participating as attendees on zoom your microphone will remain muted and your camera will remain off the city of san rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption will not tolerate any hateful speech or actions and we will staff to monitor that everyone is participating respectfully or they'll be removed if necessary we will also immediately end the meeting okay item number two statement of abstentions by board members do we have any abstentions today none excellent uh item number three comments on the agenda do we have any comments on the agenda from the board um sarah i think this is where i'm supposed to speak um that i have to leave at five thirty because i didn't realize i just joined sorry very good thank you any other comments no okay we'll move on to approval of minutes do we have a motion to approve move to approve the minutes and a second no second we have a motion and second any comments on the minutes uh no seeing none all in favor please please raise your hands that's your animals thank you and we'll move on to item number five public comments on non-agenda as matters rob can you explain the comments method yes at each agenda item that item is presented the chair will ask the board to comments and then open it up for public comment for in-person attendees once the chair is called for public comment the chair will announce for the public to raise their hand if they wish to speak on specific agenda item the public will be limited to three minutes and a timer may appear on the street otherwise i'll keep it on the watch for this for the public to see so i'll give a countdown if you can't get this to work okay thank you so for now just comments on any non-agenda as matters do we have any comments on non-agenda as matters no are there any submitted in writing yes part of your board packet and they were published today okay we don't read them out no okay well then we will move on to item number six point one the active transportation plan working draft vision goals and final scope of work serena i'm excited to be back actually in person this time so thanks for letting me present virtually last time um rob is there a thing i can do to advance or should i just tell you i can't even actually get the presentation so um if we want to take a like a 10 minute break i could probably get it to work i don't know if we want to do that you can try to send it to elissa it'll be that's yeah i went to this to reboot so send the email here and then she could send it to okay you can send it to elissa's you can send it though more actually i might be able to get to you hold on a second oh is it in uh oh it's in the truck try to get to it hold on a second i'll get it sorry about the technical difficulties usually we're a well-oiled machine yeah i look new and i knew some irony there's some irony to the fact that now that we're no longer having to accept zoom comments we're having technical difficulties yeah there we go okay we're ready that was much less than 10 minutes yeah i wonder solve yourself okay okay so our first item will cover the ATP that is the active transportation plan sarah if you have any questions about things that you've not heard about you can let us know um i'll tell you at any point but um this presentation is going to be pretty brief we can do a next slide all i'm going to talk about is the working draft vision and goals and then the final scope of work and then we're we can have a discussion about both of those items next slide starting with vision and goals next slide let me through this pretty quick so at the last meeting we had a request or you know an inquiry on whether or not we know what the draft vision and goals would be for um sonoma county transportation authorities ATP or the pedaluma ATP as far as i know is not out yet but scts is and so i included it in your staff report and on the presentation so that you can have an idea of what they're doing since they're in this process right now i'll read through the vision and then you know the goals are on the staff report so i won't read all of those but the vision is the transportation system is safe and inviting for people of all ages and abilities to walk bike and roll for everyday transportation and recreation by providing a continuous and interconnected network linking daily activities and housing and supported by programs and policies that encourage walking biking and rolling it's a very long sentence our guiding principles are to improve safety equity and quality of life and then again they have three goals related to um a connected and reliable network safe and well maintained network and then ensuring that their transportation network is community oriented and place-based you can go next slide so that's just some background information for you um so this slide shows the working draft vision and goals that we're presenting to you today at the last meeting what we heard was you liked essentially what was in our current vision and goals but you wanted it to be more bold and more visionary and to focus on safety a little bit more than we already did so i will read all of this out loud so we can just go over it together Santa Rosa is a city where the active transportation network is robust and accessible to the entire community regardless of age and ability to be accessible for all ages and abilities the active transportation network will be comfortable convenient complete and connected to achieve an accessible active transportation network the Santa Rosa will increase comfort by designing the network for all ages and abilities maintain the existing network and close gaps to establish a complete and connected network that is seamlessly interconnected with public transportation prioritize improvements along the high injury network and or in historically disadvantaged communities to factor safety and equity into projects and programs consider vision zero and safe routes to school principals in all transportation planning activities support a culture of active and transit mode choice by increasing awareness improved infrastructure and development patterns implementing incentives and support through programs and citywide initiatives and reduce VMT and GHG emissions due to behavior shifts that favor active and public transportation and i neglected to mention that the bullet points that are in bold those are the ones where the that language is in our existing vision and goals so i just wanted to demonstrate kind of you know what we maintained and then what is new language and another thing i want to mention is that throughout this whole process of you know the ATP until adoption these are going to be considered working draft vision and goals because they can change at any point so if we learn something down the road that we want to add in or we want to revise a sentence we're going to be able to do that this is just to give us kind of like the guidance to the consultant so that they know what direction we're going in next slide quick question i i'm not familiar with ghg greenhouse gas emissions and then if you're not familiar with that one i do that one i got so many acronyms it's hard to know when to yeah thank you so i'll go over the final scope of work really quick we can do next slide when i presented the draft scope of work to you there were seven tasks we did remove one of those tasks so there's now a total of six and we'll do next slide and i'll explain that to you um this is a an overview of the edits that we made the first one is that we extended the project timeline from 12 months to 16 months there's a couple reasons for this um one was there was a comment i can't remember which board member it was from but one or two meetings ago there was a question on whether or not we would be able to have a really robust plan in just 12 months um and so we went back to the drawing board and thought a little bit more about it and what we thought was we're a little bit worried because we have so many people that are really passionate and we want to be sure that we have a plan in the end that everyone feels like they've been able to take their time to go through provide public comment and that we can actually address all of those comments and not just be so rushed towards the end that we can't address comments that we receive so this is going to give more time for review for bpab for city staff for the public there has been some question on whether or not or worry i guess i should say that because it would not be adopted until early 2025 at this point that we won't get started on a lot of these projects until 2025 which does feel like a really long ways away and i can understand that that is a concern but one thing that's great about that timeline is it would get us right to the point where our budget cycle is about to go to the city council and we will also have a list of the projects that will go into the plan several months before the march 2025 adoption so city staff will be able to ensure that we're programming money for all of the projects that are in that um ATP as we go into that then budget cycle uh the second edit that we made was we removed what was originally task five and there were three uh work products in there the first one was the 15 minute city analysis when we looked a little bit closer at the scope the 15 minute city analysis and there's the oh shoot it's the active trip potential that one so those two are very similar to one another and we felt once we talked with alta some more they said that we're going to get pretty much the same product out of both so we did remove the 15 minute city analysis the second was we removed the climate mitigation benefit scenario this was a task where alta would have gone through all of our projects and programs that we adopt into the ATP and told us what the ghg reduction would be from those we think that that is something that could be helpful but the city is required to do um updates of their greenhouse gas inventories every couple of years and so we're still going to see that information um after the fact as we're starting to implement things and so we wanted to program the money elsewhere and then the third thing was active transportation network summary once i read this i was a little confused why they included it because it read exactly the same as a task i think it was task 2f or something so i pointed that out and they said yeah those were you know pretty much identical tasks so we removed that one um and then the third change that we had was we had them add in one of their optional tasks and that's related to branding and creation of a logo so branding is something that will be nice for the plan because it's just all going to look cohesive but what we're really interested in is having a logo and the reason we want that logo is so that over time if we start having when we start having other programming that we use we want to be able to use that program that logo so we want to have a like a brand identity and a logo within our division so that when we're going to the community we have you know someone will see it and they'll be like oh it's that group again so we're excited about you know having a logo that we can use and it'll be generic enough so that we can use it for a lot of different initiatives in the future next slide so the next steps is that after today and once we receive your comments on the working draft division and goals we can make any edits that we need to and then we'll supply those to alta and we're gonna we're just about to sign the contract and we'll have our kickoff meeting and we'll get going as soon as we can um and then today there's no there's no action to be taken there's only providing or receiving your input and then moving forward from there don't have any there's one more slide but it's about discussions i'll turn back thank you yeah uh so we're gonna take questions from the board and then we're gonna go to public comment so limit yourself to questions in the first round here from the board any questions yeah i got a question that i'm also planning have we used them before i'm trying to remember when was that and did it the last time oh did they oh so we're using you gotta forgive me my memory is a little funky lately so thank you it's not that reason was it five years ago okay well good i remember that any other questions i have a question um you're extending the scope of this project i'm assuming for the final liberties from 12 to i think it's 12 to 16 months what is going to be the is there any negative impact because you say you're going to get an envy by the 2025 budgeting cycle does that for months create any losses of you know securing funding or initiating projects or anything like that that people are going to be concerned about yeah it's a great question not necessarily so you know projects that are left over from the 2018 master plan those will go into the ATP and we're already aware of them so it's already on our radar that we know that those projects we're going to want to complete and then as a community we know where a lot of our choke points are we know where there's a lot of gaps and improvements that need to be made and so we as staff and then you as the the board and the public who uses our facilities all the time we have a sense of what needs to happen and so we don't have to wait until a plan is adopted to say we're going to start taking action on things it's it's like you know the work that we do never ends and it's always rolling out so um it will be farther down the line that the plans adopted but those projects don't just like magically appear in March 2025 right we know about them throughout the process thank you and then you can also lean on other plans like the LRSP that's what does that stand for uh local road safety plan oh yeah if you find it online oh okay any other questions from the board yeah Torina just a question on the climate mitigation part of the scope did I hear you say that that that was a task to estimate emission reductions from each of the projects in the plan yes so the only question I have around that is is that information that would be helpful to us in terms of both forecasting what the emissions could be from various projects as well as when the city needs to go after grants you know there are I've seen grant applications that ask you to provide that information as part of the grant so I'm just wondering if we're not having this that is part of the plan will there be another way to get that and I guess the other point would be would it be helpful to us in in prioritizing as one of the factors that we use to prioritize the project yeah that's a good question um most of the grants that I come across don't have that as a requirement but I do know that when that requirement is within a grant we usually have a consultant do that work for us and so it would be on a case by case basis if a grant requests that we provide that information um and that would be you know cheaper than us doing it for every single project within the within the ATP and it gets hard to you know when you have a an action that's about a program like safe routes to school or something like that that can be pretty hard to quantify um does that answer all the questions yeah it does yeah I can follow up a little to that I know the TFCA grants they have like a spreadsheet for you to go through yeah so a lot of these grants actually have something that you have to go through and do the process and calculate trying to do the calculations yourself yeah you know and even being able to have that tool because we have that spreadsheet that is useful when we do go for grants we improve things any other questions I actually have one question as well uh these different faces and activities uh they all have little times allocated to them do you have a calendar of how they line up next to each other almost so when we got the the final scope we did have a calendar that as far as I know and since I used to work with the consulting agency the calendar when they give it to you is you know it's most comprehensive in terms of like telling you how long each task is going to take but it's really going to be the kickoff meeting with the consultant where we have a we like look at everything very closely and figure out how all the pieces are going to interline so at that point we'll have a much more robust calendar um and I I mean I assume I have every intention that that calendar will also get simplified and put on the webpage so that'll be fully accessible at that point part of the reason I'm asking this is because of the move from you know 12 months to 16 months exactly about a year from now we'll be looking at budgeting again so I'm wondering how far along will we be in this plan 12 months from now and how much of the information can we then use yeah in the budgeting for the following year yeah I would think at that point my guess is that we would have a draft plan that is either about to go to the public for review or it's in public for review or we're just wrapping that up that should be around that same time okay thank you there are no more questions from the board we can go to public comment on item 6.1 do we have some comments Chris uh Chris with Michael Sanarosa welcome Sarah um everybody else knows me um so uh just a couple of quick things to say appreciate the comments Terina because they resolve some of the worries that we had about some of the changes in scope um in particular on the change of the timing uh I'll talk to you about that um but you know it's especially reassuring if we can continue to I don't want to say press the gas because it's a bad metaphor pedal faster on accelerating progress in the near term um because obviously our feeling is that we need that step change we can't allow the planning process to be an excuse to wait for the indefinite future um the um summary analysis when I saw that change and I read closely the language on that and on the active trip potential my impression was that the summary analysis was going to offer another layer of conclusions and sort of signposting of critical needs that I wasn't as clear was going to come out of the active trip potential and so it sounds like you said Alta said yeah we have the equivalent you can do without it but I just want to double check that there wasn't an opportunity to kind of get sort of more crystallized conclusions as a result of that that summary analysis and if that's going to come some other way that's fine I really really like the idea of the branding I think that could be very useful it's part of what we learned from city thread is you know part of our ability to communicate effectively and consistently and looking at the creek's shirt over here to my right and thinking about how effectively their their team uses that um so I think that's a good add thanks and then finally um just so you know my sense on the climate mitigation benefit is it is really useful to be able to forecast I don't like the idea of sort of looking back and saying well I hope you know let's see what happened because obviously it helps with prioritization even outside of bike and ped it might help bring more attention across the city to these efforts as one big lever vector for increasing you know decreasing our footprint more quickly than other efforts that the city might be investing in um so hopefully that comes out somewhere else but I I kind of sense that that could be useful if it was thanks thank you Chris any other comments from the public on this item which item are you on sir 6.1 6.1 actually actually transfer patient plan yes well I haven't had a chance to actually hear what you spoke about today but I'm an active transportation guy my name is Dwayne DeWitt I'm from Rosalind typically bike riding today driving because it might rain and I could melt I've come because basically I have felt that this effort that's going forward hasn't reached out into Rosalind as well as it could and that the people over in Rosalind that are using bicycles aren't as tuned in to this organization or the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition as well as they could be there's a uh effort on that bicycle coalition to help with the safe routes to school and reach out to the kids but basically most of the folks over there haven't been able to be a part of this effort and I really think that there should be more outreach to make it even more of a successful plan that's the key right you want it to be successful not just be something that you talked about and we have a bike path that runs through our area it's named after the old park's guide Joe Rododa and it hasn't really been getting as much use as it could because there's human obstacles if you will people that make it more uncomfortable for riders I really hope that you folks will get a chance to perhaps bring this actual item over to Rosalind school and have it there and have the people in the community come to you and and hear what you got going on because most of you may not know but the Rosalind census district is the most disadvantaged in the county and it's just over there a ways to the east now and I really believe that more people would ride bikes if they felt safe on the streets but traffic is very dangerous so we'll leave it at that and hopefully I can pick up the whole thing later in the day all the best to you thanks Dwayne any other public comments no we'll bring it back to the board for discussion then any input to share from the board I don't lose it. Tarina thank you for all the work that you put into this and Alexander and Rob too because I like the current product I'm happy with it thank you for explaining the longer timeline I think I was one of the people who was asking perhaps about whether 12 months was going to get us a robust product and in particular robust outreach that will make it easier to move forward so while I see the conflict of budgeting you've actually helped to alleviate my concerns around that so I appreciate that and then as for the things that are coming out of the scope of work that all seems reasonable I am skeptical in particular of trying to assess the climate impacts of small projects just because that modeling is hard to do with any kind of precision so it makes sense not to be spending time and money on that I think so that's all I have thank you Elizabeth Tarina yeah I just had I had some comments on the vision and really because we we heard a lot of feedback from community members about the vision and so I actually took us made an attempt at adding or making some changes to the vision statement to reflect some of that and I don't you know I don't necessarily want to get into wordsmithing I'm sure you don't want to in this meeting either so I'm happy to share you know give this to you after the meeting Tarina but I guess a couple of things that stood out for me in the feedback that I think would be helpful to incorporate first the there were a couple comments around including safety more specifically in the in the vision and goals and so I would propose that we include something in that first in the vision statement that talks about the transportation network being safe comfortable convenient complete etc and then on that first bullet point integrate or adding safety into the first bullet point so saying increase safety and comfort by designing the network for all ages and then a couple points down where it references historically disadvantaged communities I found that that term is often people don't understand what that means or who you're referring to so I thought it would be good to more specifically reference Santa Rosa's equity priority areas and or populations as defined in the general plan update so making a stronger connection there and then just had a couple other thoughts about how to kind of simplify or shorten some of the the points so I will share this with you Tarina and yeah you can integrate it as as you will I'd like to second the whole safety thing as you know I've been beating lately is if we want to get more people on bikes we have to make the streets safer that's it's as simple as that almost everybody I talked to that you know I have a lot of friends that have stopped riding their bikes on the road you know because it's too skinny and as I mentioned before I was hit by a car and I'm still part of my memory issues are from that unfortunately so I am definitely into you know making the road safer and then if if anyone did see the email comment it's pretty bad and that's exactly the people the guy signs it kill yourself okay so we got it lock people like that up you know if you know this this is great I mean if you did something wrong we got this as evidence but uh yeah and just I'll just summarize need to make the road safer I will say that I've added a flashy light to my daytime riding the the you know red flashes are get a little more room from people I'm a little more respected they work so if you don't have one use one thanks Doug any other comments from the board well I'll make a brief comment then GHDs and vehicle miles traveled maybe it's a good idea to spell them out yeah well I got it now yeah but you would probably not tell me why the only one yeah yeah I ask a follow-up question yeah so we've been or I've been conditioned from our our legal team to try not to use the specific word of safety because it's very big and it doesn't mean a lot of things it can mean a lot of things for a lot of people but it's not specific so what does safety mean I mean that it can mean it can mean a variety of things right it can mean being more comfortable it can be being more more room on the road it could be and what's safe to one person isn't necessarily safe to another person so are there more is there more specifics behind that that's kind of just an opening question I I like that I define safety that's that's that's excellent well I felt like it already did in some ways because we've got the reference to the high injury network to vision zero to safe routes to school and so for me because I'm maybe too steeped in all this I read those and I go oh good this plan has an emphasis on safety so I'm wondering if the for people who haven't spent as much wonky time reading these things what they don't see they don't see the safety that's in here and they want the word safe up in the vision statement because that's and we should perhaps should consider doing that because it's a way to signal to them that yes we are thinking about safety and then we can very specifically point to the high injury the vision zero the safe routes to school as the specifics of how we're going to factor in safety yeah I I understand the desire to have safety to call it out explicitly to me when I read comfort somebody's not going to go out there if they're not comfortable they're not going to feel comfortable unless they feel safe right so to me comfort implies safety and then you've got the the various programs that involve safe routes to school and that kind of thing so I think I think I think it's fine but I and but I understand people who may have been injured or or have otherwise felt really uncomfortable to have safety more explicitly caught up but personally I think it's comfort is a is a pretty good word I would think that comfort is different than safety yeah safety is about people actually not getting injured well comfort it is you could you could be in a dangerous place and still feel comfortable or you could be in safe place and be uncomfortable you can't really control how people feel safety is about making sure people don't get injured and I feel fine about using the word especially Elizabeth says there are specific things we call out that are about safety basically outline what what you're going to do to make things safe you know like the cycle tracks the buffered bike lanes you know class one that sort of thing yeah but it might might be the kind of thing that I feel strongly that safe the word safe should be in here several times just to enforce and and message that this is a really important part of our network and that it's something you know what I talk to people about well why aren't you biking I don't feel safe I don't feel safe it's not safe the roads are dangerous so so yes you can have different interpretations of that word but I think you could have different interpretations of comfortable convenient you know they are all going to mean different things to different people so but I guess where I was heading with that is that it may be something that as we're out doing community engagement we start to hear from people is that really a word that resonates or no there's these other words that they would use to describe their vision of the network so kind of the rhythm and what makes people feel unsafe I mean the people that I don't feel safe well why don't you feel safe yeah that's kind of where I'm going because it's a little nebulous right yeah we want to know how do we make it better for you to feel give me a way to ride my bike without having to be on a road with cars yeah dude says right so that's an answer yeah do a survey what's what makes you feel safe on what would make you feel safer on the road just simply a question like that and see what you're saying because I would agree that many people that I know don't walk or ride bikes because they feel that they're going to get hit by a car I mean that's there I think many people's definition of safety is that that you don't want to do it because you I mean people are surprised when I say places I ride they're like oh my god that's crazy and I think it's that it's that fear of being hurt and I think it's just very legitimate fear yes I mean I was a little surprised at the beginning when it said we have this robust system I don't feel like at least for me where I go I mean so it's good yeah but it's you know I think I see people in jerseys riding but I don't see that many people like me riding to go to a grocery store or or things like that it's not necessarily recreational that's kind of my feeling about it I will say that I can always find bike parking whenever I'm doing errands but can you find a bike rack yeah a few places Walgreens you know and then and that's what I'm saying there's only two or three spots and it's almost you know there's might be one other bike there so it goes back to what you're saying people need to feel safer to do those sort of things I think it's way easier you know even around Santa Rosa to do my errands on a bike it's just it's easier you know safer well I don't know a car is not that safe either you know I appreciate it I appreciate that it occurs to me too that there's two different audiences here for the word safety there's the general public reading this and like well I can't let my kid ride to school because it doesn't feel safe and they're going to have a fairly casual definition but I assume that the city's legal department responds with differently to that and you might even because you're like okay well how somebody how is somebody going to judge whether I've done something safely and that's you would have complied with standards and best practices and most recent research so somehow we need to this the challenge of this vision statement is to connect the two parts here so maybe the word safety needs to be in there because right now I feel like it's speaking more to the engineering side by talking about the high injury network which we there's a written plan in place sort of for how to deal with some of these things uh anyway so now I'm envisioning here's the vision and goal statement and then we have a elaborate glossary that's not gonna increase public engagement one thing that I really enjoy in plans and what I was doing with my last employer was throughout the document providing more context for things and so I I'm a very strong proponent of like call-out boxes all over the place so maybe like the first place that we mentioned safety there can be something that like captures our discussion here um so I yeah there's a lot of opportunities for those kind of caveats anything else Rob no sorry well I'm happy to hear that everybody's we're all on the same page is we need to increase safety and that's a big deal so and I'm not saying we shouldn't yeah no I think I think you're saying that yeah we need to define it yeah exactly which I think is an important very important point Serena anything else for you no I think that gives me all the answers I need okay thank you then we will move on to isam 6.2 uh fiscal year transportation and public works plan for 24 25 that's you again yes hope you're not sick of me so the powerpoint that I have for you is pretty much identical to what I presented to you last time so when we met in September I gave you a presentation on what we've accomplished this past year you know what we have in progress what's already in the pipeline going to be done throughout this year this next fiscal year and then I also gave you a list of some projects that we you know they're in the like that master plan or they're in the local road safety plan or they're in some kind of plan but we haven't really made progress on them and we asked for the board to give us feedback on how to prioritize those projects um let me see which slide that is slide 11 do you want to get to slide 11 and write about that um so there's there is action on this item um we're asking that you provide us feedback on how you want us to prioritize projects that are on this list um projects that are in attachment okay so there's two areas where we have a list of projects or plans um that you can provide input on how you would like us to prioritize or you can just give us some more general feedback of projects you have ideas on so the two sections specifically that I'm thinking about are in attachment one the last table it's the studies complete and grant funding needed because it will be helpful for us to hear from you know um you know which of these projects you want us to prioritize when grant funding becomes available and then in attachment two it will be the third table which is conceptual projects identified and I'll put a reminder that any project that has an asterisk at the end of it is part of the first phase projects that were adopted in the 20th in the aster plan um so I can go over anything in these attachments if you would like I can go through the PowerPoint if you would like but because this is more of a discussion and you're giving us your thoughts on prioritization I want to give it back to you to let me know what's most helpful for you okay so as usual we're going to start with seeing if there's any questions uh from the board before we move on to public comment so Elizabeth I have a long list so maybe I'll break it up um on the conceptual projects would the Brookwood Avenue project be protected or is that just a painted bike lane I don't I don't know off the top of my head Rob I wonder if you do uh those are bike lanes part of the development that's happening in there yes okay then uh it seems like there are lots of projects that are awaiting construction including some that I thought were going to be done by now um can you explain your surprise okay yeah um one an item that I had under staff announcements is that unfortunately our slurry that was going to happen this year is not happening this year um that was a just an issue with the contractor and so it's now tentatively scheduled for summer of next year um which spring yeah it's a huge huge blow we were sad it was a bad week um so that is one thing where you know there is a lot of projects on the um you know awaiting construction list where we will be awaiting okay that explains why that list is so long yeah um can you explain the difference between the two fourth street projects so under awaiting construction there's fourth street from E to Brighton which is going to be a road diet and improved crossings but then on the grant funding needed we have fourth street from B to farmers which is a slightly longer stretch but it encompasses some of the same thing that's in fourth from E to Brighton so I was just surprised to see it broken up like this because I don't actually understand the difference four street from E to Brighton that's the slurry right yes the D is actually I think in this brand it should be E to farmers okay but then I thought nothing could happen between Brighton and farmers particularly because the traffic volumes are too high that that is true we are but that is part of the slurry project so the limits of the slurry actions do go to Brighton or go to farmers sorry farmers so okay so then what but it's on the yeah it's probably it looks like it might be in the next I think it's a double print on accident okay yeah great I was just confused by that so that's a bike lane that would go from Brighton to farmer a bike lane that would go from uh we're going to do a road diet from Brighton to the west to the street oh okay okay I'll give somebody else a turn to ask questions while I check off which ones I've asked any other Tonya yeah so under the completed studies the stony point road from Gernville to Sebastopol is marked as complete and I know the study was done from 3rd street to Sebastopol but I don't remember what what's happening from 3rd street to Gernville on stony point road because that part I keep comment on that yeah so the in in the actual um in the 2018 master plan the limits were from Gernville to Sebastopol identified as a study area but we truncated back to the most important location because of the fatalities that were occurring between 3rd street and Sebastopol even though that whole all of stony point is high injury right I mean I thought that whole section was part of the high injury network I don't know the limits of high injury that I know where we where we have fatalities where you're occidental and near Sebastopol and highway 12 yeah so I would like to and maybe this is part of the update to the bike pedplan I mean I think that whole section of stony point needs to be looked at um the section from 3rd street to Gernville yeah yeah because it is high speed traffic um and thinking about ways to connect and as we think about connected networks like how to connect from um you know the the you know the park which I'm drawing I can't think of the name of the park yeah Finlay thank you you know to the bike path and just thinking about you know there's some real connectivity gaps in that area unless you're a really brave bike rider and likewise getting from the creek over to the you know new infrastructure that will eventually go in for the park where the study was done so I think just in terms of connectivity it would be good to look at that and I was even thinking earlier today that a lot of the stretch at least a big piece of that is like city property so wouldn't it be great if we could convert that to a protected bike lane I know you can't do the whole thing yeah I'm sure you thought about anyway um maybe it's probably something for the plan but I know why we don't think about that so and then I guess the other question and maybe a request for the future it would be really helpful because I was starting to try and figure out which of these projects are in the high injury network and I just didn't have the time to go back and track all of that so in in the future if we could have a column that would show which of these projects are in that network or the you know when the network gets updated I think that would be helpful for prioritization it's my hope so another one of the reasons that we kind of shifted around that task five was to put more money in the implementation plan section and so I'm envisioning a table that has all of our projects and programs and then it has like like tick mark so I would say is it an EPC is it on the high injury network is it you know and a whole host of things so that'd be great hopefully when you see this in the future it's a little more like you have something more tangible to actually look at thank you any other questions on the board this one Dylan sure um so under the Jennings Avenue crossing uh production planning so I'm undergoing conversations with smart and public utilities um it's kind of been in that for quite a long time so is there any more potential update or there's still just yeah I'm actually going to uh hearing I think almost 28 but whatever okay okay and then another one was the school safety pilot projects um then for the description you got the road diets bike lanes crosswalks um so is there any more uh planning it seems more kind of theoretical and just an idea right now there's been like a larger plan just to improve safety around the schools with changes infrastructure like that it is relatively conceptual at this point so um SCTA under their state cross school program has started a task force a series of task force meetings and we've been getting increasing requests for walk audits around schools and things like that and so we're becoming a little bit more you know aware of some improvements that could be made and yeah it's it's I guess a conceptual general question of you know is this something that we want to put higher on the priority list it will obviously be involved in the ATP process um there are some projects that we're working on internally and we're hoping to flush those out over time and take them to council so we can at least get a pilot project on the books um so we're hoping within the next year we can work on that thank you any other questions okay I just had one question the um RCP grant application was due in late September did that go in yep September 15th that went in so um I you know one yay that I can give you is you know we haven't heard back from that grant yet but um one con with us going after grants for projects that we have you know that we know we want to do is because we've been really wanting to fund BPAC the bicycle pedestrian over crossing um and so the reconnecting communities grant and the safe streets for all grant if we were to receive both of those we would completely fund the BPAC project which would mean that all grants that come up in future we can apply for other projects so you know keep your fingers crossed and send some good vibrations out for us that'd be great we'll do okay there are no other questions we will go to public comment on item number 6.2 the fiscal year transportation public works plan for 24-25 um hi everybody Alexa Forster with Michael Santa Rosa first of all thank you for this list I found it for whatever reason more navigable than they have been in the past so I don't know who cleaned it up but thank you to all the people involved in that um I just wanted to mention a couple of things I brought a present for Tamina this is the like the concept that Bjorn did for the section of Sonoma Avenue between farmers and common right through Montgomery Village I don't see that on the list I see under projects and planning the sidewalk improvements I've been a little bit disappointed Montgomery Village has just finished repaving that whole parking lot and the sidewalk is not being improved as part of that so I don't know what went wrong there but it seems like it should be their responsibility to finish that sidewalk and I don't know when it's going to be done but there's a whole plan to do a road diet and turn the right hand lanes into bus bike only lanes and um you can see more about it on the BPAP agenda from last year um there's a couple reasons that that's really important as a parent if I'm riding with my child and I don't feel safe with them in the bike lane which I definitely don't on that stretch I will ask them to ride on the sidewalk that is not an option anywhere through Montgomery Village there is no safe crossing for young children and this is one place that that can be addressed so I would just like to add the restriping according with that plan to that to that section of Sonoma Avenue's farmers lane you know just the improvement going through there I think it's going to even get worse because they're opening a shake shack there any day now and that's going to bring a lot of teenagers driving big trucks there so I just wanted to highlight that the other two things I wanted to say hi Sarah we're really happy to see you we've been trained to make sure that there was a district one representative here um there's a couple projects on here in district one that I think should be prioritized that our organization think should be prioritized for equity and connectivity since one of them is the Herne Avenue multi-use path um if we can have that finished near or by the same at the same time as the bridge is finished then that will actually make that not a bridge to nowhere for bicyclists it will actually serve to connect people to the smart path and then the other one is Sevastopol Road from Stony Point to Boyd Street my understanding is that that class four facility has been in there in the bicycle pedestrian master plan since 2018 and I just think that you know I agree with Dwayne that the that that area has not been there's been under investment in that area and that is we recently are pedestrian death in that area I just think it's a really important place so if we can elevate that I would appreciate that oh and one more Elliott Avenue do we really have to wait until the bridge is being constructed I don't think so yes hi I'm Ali um I'm actually here because of Chris and Alex as well but I recently moved to Santa Rosa I commute to works with by bikes that's kind of why I'm participating today um I just wanted to echo a lot of what's been said you know I don't have much new to say I appreciate hearing from all of you with regards to district one and then on Sevastopol Road I you know I don't live there but I work there and I know there's a ton of people that work there and I just want to say from my own personal experience a lot of what's been told about like safety and what that actually means with regards to creating that bicycle infrastructure particularly like class four bike lanes in that area like for me personally that was I have kind of like almost I don't want to say it this I would twist in my wife's arm would be like yeah I mean I can like I should be allowed to bike here but I think there's a lot of people in my workplace in particular that if you could get buffered bike lanes in an area like that that would it wouldn't just be for residents it's something that I think would be really helpful for a lot of people coming from there because there is you know truth be told kind of a cool infrastructure as someone that's relatively new to the area with like the redota trail and the creek trail and kind of these non-car areas that you can kind of get around on so. Thank you. Who's next? Chris. Emily's next. Oh Emily. Oh you're all behind her. Hi I'm Emily Shorten I'm with the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition. I just have a couple of kind of I guess general questions based on based on some of the other things that have been brought up already. I'm curious I guess with regard to the conceptual projects how they're going to be reconsidered in light of the active transportation plan. I know there are a couple listed on there that involve class two lanes in pretty busy areas and as we've already heard tonight there's you know a lot of discussion around safety and the importance of really protected you know class four lanes. So just curious if you know that's going to be part of the discussion you know even before before the active transportation plan is finalized and then just second on the projects that are waiting construction I guess first of all I'm curious you know what what if anything the city can do to kind of ensure that those projects happen in a more timely way and then also just how that's going to affect the ability to the ability to take on more projects next year. Looks like the workload might already be pretty pretty full and if a lot of those projects are just going to be moved to next year so just curious how that's gonna how that's gonna work with the new priorities. Thank you Emily. Chris. Picking up on the thread around how how do we prioritize so when these lists have come up in the past and including this year I agree the list has been improved when I struggled with okay how do I make sense of this how do I start to compare these projects so huge applause for the idea of characterizing the projects more in the list. I even really liked on the existing projects the addition of the mileage figures and I thought if we had that on these proposed ones that would be a really nice add but for the board as well you know when thinking about how to prioritize these things I just thought it would be useful to throw out some criteria that I think could be useful so we talked about equity priority areas we've talked about the high injury network I think we've talked indirectly about just the quality of the facilities so class four versus class two I think really really important from our perspective is just network impact which I think you can think about in a number of ways so one of them is just the extent so how long is the facility how wide you know might the facility be so that comes back to quality a little bit. Connecting existing segments of the network so having some sense of like oh wow that would be a powerful way to connect this and that which would open up possibilities for the existing network connection to key destinations of school shopping etc and then proximity to the core so we've had a lot of conversation about how the investments we make closer in probably have more impact because people can ride through on their way to other places things we do on the periphery affects a smaller group of people now maybe it could still have a big impact because it's maybe something that a lot of people want to access but I still think in general as a principal being close to the core is really valuable in addition there's things around obviously cost impact on staff capacity time to implement on that I'm really interested in whether there could be some indication in the future about where there's potential to do quick build or I would even like to see some of these projects considered as temporary and pilot sort of projects like we're talking about that on the steel lame thing but like sabassable road what if in six months we put up a temporary protected bike lane and road diet and we said this is going to be here for a year and we're going to see how people react to it and then we can have a real conversation instead of everybody speculating about is this or it's that you know how how much more engaging would that be for the community and a good practice to move things forward and then the last last thing I'll say is just on the some of the specific projects so I mentioned sabassable I just want to add that the Montgomery Village you know transit through the mall or through the through the shopping center is like the pinch point and gateway between downtown and everything east including all of Bennett Valley rink and valley and so I think somebody at some point said there were numbers on this but I think that's one of like the highest traffic routes in the whole city yeah and so that to me would be game changing um similarly on and I think Emily you said this on Dutton and steel class two lanes I had an old work colleague who said that doesn't pass the red face test and so I think I know that those are high traffic areas there's a lot of volume through there it's not easy to just do a road diet but I think we need to be serious about we can't build class two in places that are not safe we need to either figure out how to build the right thing or a building alternative and be serious about what that looks like thanks thank you Chris please excellent comments on the part of everybody here today I came to clear up a misconception and I hope you'll pay attention to the specifics of this on attachment to page has Rosalind Creek trail from Burbank Avenue to McMinn Avenue it states they're going active conversations most conversations don't involve any bike riders that I know or anybody that I have any connection to in this general area most of you probably don't know that that property was bought by the city of Santa Rosa utilizing tax funds from Sonoma County agricultural preservation open space district a full 12 years ago and at the time mayor uh no it was the council member Gary Weisaki brought community members in to speak with then uh assistant city manager and director of recreation and parks Mark Richardson why that property was needed and he said it was specifically for this bike path and people out there were like well we've only been trying to save the oak woodland to the north of the creek why do you have to have this he was like oh we've got to have that because we're going to have a right a nice big park he said we'll make it a community park 40 acres people didn't really want to support this but finally mr Weisaki in his kindness said well yeah we're going to make sure and get a community park out there so the land was bought and nothing's been done to it except tear down the very expensive three bedroom house that was on it the community has been rallying for years about hey you know what are you going to do here and they're now using the canard that it's because you've asked for an environmental impact report and that environmental impact report is slowing everything up wait a second here folks people are just saying out there do the best you can on these projects to not harm what bit of nature we have left out there environmental impact reports can make things better in this case the bike path could be put in it's the stuff to the north that they want to do now that has been the holdup so i would ask this committee to get actively involved in our community out there to find out what's going on the sense of getting the bike path on the south side of roseland creek that was promised 12 years ago to actually occur and if they're moving it to the north then tell us why and what's going to happen there we realize much must be done in secrecy for the environmental impact report but by the same token as bicyclists you don't need to pave everything on the page just before this roseland creek trail from stony point road to burbank avenue they're needing the funding to install a paved section of the pathway all over europe you can ride all kinds of pathways that aren't paved it's like you don't need to have asphalt everywhere you want to ride a bike so i'm looking at you folks as being the advocates for us out there as bicycle riders to get this thing going without asphalt and concrete make it happen it seems reasonable to me but i realize i'm not paid on staff anywhere so one person told me once well you're not paid so we can't listen to you i was doing it 15 seconds hey we'll cut it there okay you know i want to be on time thank you thank you dwayne thank you anyone else no well um you want some comments back on some of the comments yes i do i have another question i should have asked back in the question phase before i get to well let's let's let's get this and we'll take your questions so montgomery village i remember i was looking at that what's what's going on that's that's happening okay so we are we have a project to um i think do something very similar if not what jordan had suggested and maybe i would be able to get it all open at this point yeah um including adding the sidewalks on the north side and the gaps on the south side so it was just accidentally omitted from the list it's it's on but in here but it just says it's sidewalks improvements under design yes so maybe we just need to clarify that yeah like i was thinking that the whole time you're saying stuff but i'm like oh you gotta have let everybody say their peace right so yeah so that that is a product we have um there uh well let's get the one i'm gonna comment on Emily you mentioned i'm sorry she had two so the first one was how the conceptual projects um get considered you know with the atp process happening and i mean they get included so i i don't think anything on the conceptual list necessarily goes away i think all of it does get included in the atp and then with guidance from you we just know internally you know as resources become available or grants come up we would know um you know can we hop on something now or do we put it in atp do you have anything else to add no um and then the second one uh with projects that are awaiting construction can the city ensure that they happen in a timely manner try to and how does it affect your workload yeah it it affects the workload it does so i think you know because we we set which roads will have pavement preventative measures a couple years in advance and so we already know which ones we want to do next year and um we're still planning as if that's going to happen internally so we're still talking about like design and what could it look like and how could we put some bike facilities on them but yeah it's going to come up to once we get closer to if we can and and from our standpoint if we know the locations that they're planning to do different road projects that's not stopping us from looking at them and doing the design side of it it there the funding though may be delayed in those products we need for but as far as the the concept review or we're we're still doing that okay is this Elizabeth yes so i should have asked a clarifying question before about projects awaiting construction you explained that the contractor has put off the slurry till the spring and that affects the bicycle project but i have thought that the pedestrian projects which are all r r fb's i thought that was being done by city crews we are yes okay so are those going to happen sometime sooner than next spring yes yeah we have a couple a couple more um on depth to move forward and then there's some that we have to do curb ramps for and those are going to get pushed out a little bit longer because they're a little bit more involved but we do have i think three of the the next locations kind of lined up that don't eat the curb ramp in three days okay so we have a very limited concrete career that's doing it now on some 88 right from park so yes so i've seen that i walked on it this morning thank you it was very nice they're they're kind of doing that right now okay so comments on prioritization prioritization from the board anybody want starters off no well i don't yeah i i think i mean there's there's a lot of variables but yeah the the connectivity to the never with a hole um kind of destinations a lot of just work for this um i think you know i see some class three projects on here which are definitely i would say the lowest priority um or unless something be done to make those class threes better like more traffic calming i'm not sure about advisory bike lanes either i know those are also contentious but uh against the class three um but schools as well um and hawks um i've seen hawks being used um and people don't necessarily use them correctly but they are stopped so they work in that regard um so yeah i think class four's um hawks schools and other big locations are kind of top priorities to me elisabeth you want to go again sure all right let's see um so i had a comment first just on how the list is presented like chris i somehow found this the easier list easier to navigate i think the additional detail helped me because it sort of jogged my memory for what these projects were um but menona hevelin shared with the board members and some staff some comments and she included maps which i found mildly inscrutable but they also reminded me of the usefulness of looking at this from a connectivity and network approach because it was just so much easier to visualize in those maps i'm like oh yeah if you just fix those two blocks it opens up a lot more i think it might be asking too much to be able to have that incorporated in the list here but i would hope that coming out of the updated atp we would have a map and maybe we could look at the pran these project proposed projects on a map because that would make my make some of the prioritization easier um so that was my first general comment then um and that's sort of echo something that chris said as well talking about prioritizing projects that connect segments and help build the network um then i echo what dylan and emily have been saying about let's let's do high impact projects not just more paint on streets so i'm inclined to deprioritize those and i would also hope we would see less of those going forward in the next atp so it seems like maybe the atp will affect this list in that regard as for the specific projects listed in attachment to under the conceptual project lists the one that jumped out the whether two that i was most interested in i want school projects i think those are important because i would like to see children not hit on the school but i also think that people are going that we're going to receive the greatest public acceptance or traffic calming measures and changes around school because that is clearly a population that needs that level of protection and i think strategically it might be wise to do some school projects for that reason um and then the second project that i'd really like to see something significant happen on is on sabastopol road from study point to boy because it seems to me that too many times in recent years the joe redotta trail has been closed for reasons beyond the city's control it's up to the county and yet there is not a really good alternative for people to get through and we've been pretending that the joe redotta situation is temporary and yet it's been temporary repeatedly so it seems like sabastopol road needs to be turned into more of a viable safe alternative for people to get places the other thing that occurs to me about the joe redotta trail is when you're on the trail it's great for going through it's like being on a freeway though with no exits you can't actually access the shops and services on sabastopol road and to do that on a bike right now you're sort of taking your life in your hands so i would love to see protected bike lanes um can we get not just a paintbuffer bike lane but can we actually get ballards on sabastopol road there's a lot of riders who are not riders by choice who are on sabastopol road and i'd love to be able to serve them better and then as ollie mentioned it sounds like there are potential riders of choice who would be out there if they felt safer so i think i that seems like a behind visibility high impact so i vote for schools and sabastopol road and i think that's the extent of my comments thank you list anybody else tanya yeah so i i would second elizabeth's comments about schools and sabastopol road and would add to that i mean i know it's already on the list the um we had the study for the stony point the section of stony point from third to sabastopol road and really keeping that as a high priority when funding is available to get that project done and then of course i would advocate for doing a study or making sure that we're addressing the rest of stony point and just a general observation and i know this is not like a scientific adding up miles of infrastructure added but i did go through and just count the number of projects in each district and this might be something that we want to look at more in the future as well and there are districts that have quite a few more projects listed than others like the seventh district where i live is one of the ones with the fewest number of projects and maybe that's appropriate per the comments about the more infrastructure we build in the center of the city the easier it will be for people to get around but i just think in the future that's also something that we should be thinking about in terms of the geographic distribution and and you know impact on the equity priorities as well thank you well if there's nobody else then i'll add a few comments too uh mostly echoing either people actually uh tanya i completely agree about stony point i think that the other part of stony point study is in the master plan right now as far as i recall but yeah that should definitely be a priority i know we got turned down for some money for that before but let's see if we get that done um i agree with Alexa about her and getting that time properly with the bridge uh overpass that'd be fantastic if we can manage that uh and on on sabastopol road um one thing that uh chris said about close to the core thing is a really good concept and it uh ties in with what ali was saying too and i live in the sevens as well if i go into the city well i could take the joridosh rail or i can do sabastopol road recently actually i went in i took the trail into the city and sabastopol road back um there are positives and negatives on both of those so yes there's definitely some improvement there i think that's an interesting concept uh close to the center uh benefiting more people even though now we have a few of us here live in the seventh so um let's see then uh there's north dartin i think that could be a really important one as well as the rosland creek trail i think those are all the ones i had did i inspire anybody else to make a comment no well i agree with the thing about the joridota trail as feeling because even when it's cleared out like i don't usually feel comfortable riding on it by myself um whereas i would if there were good bike lanes i'd feel very comfortable riding on sabastopol road because i live in the fourth but i go through and then go to go sabastopol road from where i live through the downtown like that would connect if we had connectivity all the way around i think there's more reason for people then to go out to rosland also um seems good thank you i had meant to say this earlier but i'd lost sight of it i see that range avenue was on here from wrestle to west steel and then also cleveland corridor improvements and those would be parallel sections so it seems like in terms of prioritization if we're going to do one then the other drops in priority just thinking about a way to get people an option to get from point A to point B through that part of town that was yeah do you have thoughts on like yeah which you would prioritize because we were debating yeah so we have a different phrase in my mind i was like cleveland gets you to more goods and services whereas range and as much it's more in the neighborhood so it's more in the neighborhood m a but it's a slower street so it's like more comfortable so you're like there's two ways right so i was like but the cars go flying on range that i'd say people drive 40 miles an hour on range north of super wide because it's right because it's super wide north of steel um and we would change the striping there to accommodate right there by cleanser now but we have to accommodate protected bikes and you have to narrow things down yeah i don't know i see people riding on russell now i for the most part don't see people even trying to ride on cleveland it's because there's no bike yeah well it could be completely taking your life in your hands yeah i'm saying you don't know till there's something there right like i think it is my personal dream to be able to ride my bike to Trader Joe's one day and and if there's a if there's an over crossing then i would take cleveland up that would potentially get me there which my tom i have a comment that's neither here nor there but uh i was fantasizing about the public comment process for the master plan and for the atp being to ask people where they wish they could ride their bike like and just to draw the routes because to me that reveals the weaknesses and i was trying to do that exercise here thinking about which to prioritize and i'm like oh i can't get to that address on west college because i can't get over the freeway and then those last two blocks on college tripped me up but i don't know that was one way to think about this if we could and if there were a way to actually get people to actively draw on a map that might tell us about right where we need improvements i i i do like the idea of a map you know because then you can really see and and like close the gaps and stuff like that and that it's not a bad idea to say well this is how i would get those and such you know if this gap are closed and this gap are closed i could ride from here to there and you know like i said i i i prefer to prefer to ride than drive anyway i hate driving anymore they'll say that people are crazy out there um so so yeah the the map idea is great and just list all the projects and if i could see it on a map that would be much better for me because i have a i'm having a hard time anymore part of my cognitive issues is that is that i i'm i get lost easy let's put it that way and i can't remember streets i go on rides that i've gone up for a lot of i've been doing for a long time and you know but i haven't done in a while i'm like i can't remember where i go on this ride and i can't remember i said we'll just keep riding and remember when you get there and thank god i do you know i get oh yeah i turn here and turn here and go there okay it's fine but um anyway looking at a map so i could see where all the projects are and where the gaps are it would really help me you know put in my two cents on what what i would prioritize but i i think having it you know riding along and having your bike line end and in a busy intersection it's just no fun it's that's got it that's got it and i do like um i i think there's been some talk about making that the the creek trails a little bit more accessible i'm okay with the dirt ones too and uh but man riding on the creek trails rather than the road oh man it's it's a joy it really is so make sure those get thrown in there in here you know a to b plans dylan uh yeah so kind of off what doug said and kind of more about ATP um so i know that there's a project uh map now on the bike website um and i don't know if it's possible now or we'll be with um this next ATP but some of the metrics that we brought up like the high injury network um could those just be like js layers that were done overlay um along with the projects with the current uh map and all that yeah we were he kind of talks about that okay trying to like figure out adding that layer okay cool all right so so it's in the works with that map we had a little bit of an issue because we have to do that internally and we're limited in what kind of things like ArcGIS online lets us do so we can add any of those layers but then what happens is the map no longer becomes intuitive and you have to know exact specific sequence of buttons to click and we don't have a spot like the map won't let you put a call out like some companies can put like a call out and say hey if you want to find this go this way we are not allowed to do that in this program so we're kind of trying to figure out like is there something within the ATP process that can help us we will have maps that do that in the ATP we'll have a like a long series of maps that'll help you contextualize projects we're trying to figure out if we can do it live on the website okay so potential more possible could it say um that's like some of the um what they provide will be in like vectors so I assume that might add somewhere around that yes I hope so okay okay there are no other comments Torina do you have what you need do you have any follow-up questions yeah okay well thank you I could offer you some assistance basketball road with my paper out as a boy all the way I'm going to Olive Street so I know how to write it safely so we'll move on to item number seven chair and board member announcements thank you do we have someone who wants to make a motion for us on item 6.2 to you want the approval of this plan with the comments given is that the motion you were looking for uh yeah the board made by motion except the draft fiscal year 24-25 TW work plan yeah and you can with the comments okay I'm happy to move okay that we accept the draft fiscal year 24-25 work plan with the feedback we have provided about prioritization yeah thank you Elizabeth I'll second that yeah second from Doug any comments on that before we move to a vote okay all in favor please raise your hands you're unanimous thank you for keeping us business here yeah good work thank you so with that we'll move on to item number seven chair and board member announcements can I put you on the spot tell us a little bit about what brought you here to us okay um and yourself uh okay so my name is Sarah I um was a high school teacher for 25 years I guess in at Windsor High School retired two years ago um about I lived near downtown Santa Rosa and part of the reason we moved there was only house I've ever owned was so that we could walk everywhere and bike everywhere and um and it's been really good and since I've retired um I've become more and more interested um because I have more time and I'm out during the day and biking and and walking and um I realized that there's a lot of unsafe places you know I try to ride to you know suddenly I'm like you were talking about the bike lanes here in Montgomery and suddenly um but anyway uh I was really interested in in climate change action I worked a lot at Windsor High School there with a group of students on trying to make changes um very challenging very challenging little bits and pieces yeah um I have two daughters who sadly for me live in New York City um but they don't own cars so that's a good but um yeah I don't know my husband also was a teacher at the same high school same amount of time 25 years and we're enjoying retirement and just trying to get involved as much as possible in our community um we're involved in a lot of volunteer work in the community I work a lot with land paths this is a real passion of mine um outdoor education and climate action and just being outside it's really nice so that's a little bit about me thank you sir thank you for joining us yeah I'm excited to become a part of it any other announcements from the board yes I was going to give I have two things the first is I attended the September county-wide by-school and pedestrian advisory committee meeting with Alexander I think I have one more to go at the end of this month and then remember in January it'll be somebody else's opportunity um the meeting was pretty straightforward we talked about the Caltrans bike plan update which they just want some feedback on and I don't think we had any feedback yeah I mean so the other thing is we there's a survey online that you can take and then also you can map out like where you see infrastructure on their facilities that you didn't have improved so like today I went through and all the crossings I just added class boards everywhere yeah so um the more people that input or add to that I think the better because there's more emphasis then right I'm putting new infrastructure there and then like the other thing to that was like okay well if we have Caltrans change their facilities actually connect those facilities okay and then did you already share that link with the board I feel like you did right after the September meeting but perhaps you should reshare it now that you have inspired people yeah uh the link you said but the link to the survey yeah okay I can resend it out yeah why don't you resend it yeah I was like I get it out there right now no no after this meeting sometime next um okay yeah already shared um then we got an update on the vision and goals in the county's active transportation plan which you saw earlier in this meeting we then we just did some housekeeping stuff on complete streets checklist for various projects that are not within santa rosa um and then did the usual updates on key projects happening in different jurisdictions around the county and I feel like that that's extended my recollection and looking at the agenda what I jumped out at me thank you Elizabeth yeah oh okay so that was one thing the second thing is I um was just in general want to encourage folks on this board to reach out to their council members I think it's really valuable to keep them in the loop just let them know we for example we've started a new active to the update to the active transportation plan or you can share that we've approved a draft work plan that might include xyz projects in their district I think that's really valuable for building public support for those projects and maybe it also can help flag potential problems early such as tanya noted where there's only one product in district seven or it may also enable us to just use those council members who perhaps have emails that they send out to their constituents to let them know about upcoming projects or opportunities to weigh in on the keltrans map or whatever it is and then the other thing though is it may also you may also be able to have a conversation in which something comes out which I think happened in a council meeting maybe on vision zero rob I can't remember in which the council members expressed a desire to be fixing safety problems around the city regardless of what district it was happening in so it may also be that potential problems are non-problems that it's just useful to continue that dialogue so this is just a plea that I make periodically to reach out to your council member thank you lesbeth any other board announcements okay well I attended the mayors and committee chairs meeting here earlier this month I think it was and got some interest from the other boards and committees on being involved in the action transportation plan specifically the waterways people yes we've heard sorry I just wanted to mention that uh on that I don't think there was a lot that was relevant to us okay so if there's I'd like to make comment on these matters uh the brown act there I don't believe we have comments on these items here according to the brown act in the state of california anything on the agenda can't be spoken so I make that request please yeah any other comments from the board okay wing go ahead yes it was nice to hear miss hard and her presentation and then miss riddlington also I would ask that you also reach out to the public it's it's something that I've been talking about every since I first came to these meetings decades ago is that it almost operates behind closed doors and that people don't really know what's happening until after something has begun and then once it's begun it's like well how did that get started so it's really a good situation to have some sort of liaison with community members in your districts I don't know if you're appointed by districts now but if that's the case I think it would be a really good idea for each of you that has a district appointment to have a meeting within your district with not just bicycle riders but with parents of children and with the drivers it's been mentioned by other people not myself it's really dangerous to ride bicycles and Santa Rosa now much more so than when I was a boy and it's especially dangerous right around here where there's memorials for three dead people right here in this general area so I really think you folks can be that tip of the I don't like to use weapons as references the tip of the positive outlook and bringing good things forward with our community that it's okay to be a bike rider people shouldn't look at us like we're holding up their progress on in the roadway stuff like that I've seen some really dangerous things happening still just recently coming over here I salute all of you as volunteers and the paid staff also some of you have known me a while it's the kind of thing where building the separated bicycle lane our armory drive looks good but I have never seen a bicycle rider on it yet and I go down there all the time and that new JC housing that's been built there's only one bike parked in that rack ever and nobody rides in a bicycle to that housing so there's a disconnect between what we're talking about and planning what's actually happening out there in the community you folks could be the ones that cure that disconnect and thank you for all your time thank you join my pleasure to be here any other comments okay we'll go to staff announcements wait sorry yeah random thing Alexander and Tarina city schools is doing some survey right now about updating their facilities master plan and you might want to look into it because my son who's at Santa Rosa High says there's some plan to pull out a bunch of the portables at Santa Rosa High to increase a either parking or a car drop-off area so this could have circulation impacts it might also be an opportunity to do good things the facilities master plan I believe it is a facilities master plan I'll see if I can find a link to some email when I get home okay and it's going to be approved pretty soon I think okay yeah I've been ignoring it because I was at one of those okay I was ignoring it until my son said something about drop-off be right to the area where he currently rides his bike I mean so I we do the safe routes to school task force meetings I can bring it up to Patty because she's the representative from that school district okay yeah it's probably gonna take pushing it more than one angle yeah but it'd be good to know like maybe we need to start having something in our safe routes to school task force meeting they're supposed to give us like updates themselves but it's good to hear from you so that we know because okay we can kind of try to connect even though they're right it's not our jurisdiction over schools they can kind of do it please without much input from right but you can help squawk about the yeah totally bike riding experience to the school is terrible okay staff announcements let's go first um slurry update with one which I already did um the next one was I wanted to let you know what grants we've been tracking recently um so we've submitted four letters of interest um two of them were for MTC they have a active transportation technical assistance program so I think it was a month ago I submitted two letters of interest um one of them to help with actual technical assistance for in the Oakmont area there's a non-ADA bridge that will need to be replaced at some point and the other one was for purchasing of approximately 38 or 2800 bollards so I have a really good feeling about the bollards unknown about El Noga the the Oakmont area we also have we submitted a letter of interest to people for bikes for their industry community grant that would be to purchase bollards for the portion of 3rd street under the plaza mall the under crossing between B and Morgan we did initially get told that we were invited to submit a formal application but then I talked to them further and they said actually never mind so we did not get that one unfortunately um and then we also submitted a letter of interest for thriving communities and that's under the US Department of Transportation and for that project we're asking for three years of technical assistance to help create a low stress link between Prince Memorial Greenway and the future southeast greenway site because it's our hope that at some point we have a full east west fully low stress all ages of the melodies link so I will have more updates in the future thank you yeah uh I just went to a couple webinars today that were pretty pretty awesome um one was the MTC's active transportation working group and in the structure and pairing that with class 4 bike lanes so adding like a beautified protection in a sense right through stormwater mitigation practices right by adding buffer instead of just bollards or something like that so we're already starting talks with folks from our stormwater division and we're going to see if maybe there's grants we can go for in the future to you know to help with that because in my mind the class 4 is with the bollards is just the first step and it's a temporary thing which leads me to the next topic and webinar that I was in was the active transportation planning grant or active transportation plan grant is that what it's called ATP grant I'll just leave it at that and they have a section in there for quick builds and so a lot of that what they were talking about I was like oh they had like seven during ours last year all of it wasn't out so I think there's potential there for us to do the quick build stuff but they also mentioned that it should be a temporary measure and that in the future you should have more of a permanent structure and that's what they're looking for in the application it's the foresight to think about that in the future and to do like really good community engagement of you know before you before you put something out ask the public then after you put it out also ask the public and then get counts and things like that to emphasize the importance of the things thank you Alex I'm really excited today sounds exciting I have a one quick item and it's related to the slurry project so if you remember as part of the slurry project we were intended to lower a lot of the speed limits in the downtown in conjunction with that project we are unless I hear otherwise we are going to go ahead just move forward with lowering the speed limits now instead of waiting for the project because of the lag in time so we already have council approval to do that so we were just waiting for the project since it's the delay we're going to move forward with that so lowering the speed limit by five miles an hour so yeah a lot of the streets will be lowered by five miles an hour that's related to the AB 43 bill that was passed okay so it allows us now in the downtown and central business districts to do that there's a court criteria to pass it to do it um so we already mapped out the downtown areas that we can do that and then in july of 24 we'll be able to do that throughout the rest of the city on call final days right great that helps and then one more thing you said I can mention this right yeah uh uh we're trying to have a like a budget line item for uh class force so like budgeting out for class force nice that's what's great lots of great news so you had to you had to help us get grants that are for I mean for matching grants for for projects themselves so we're strategizing a little ahead of ourselves yeah it turns out it costs the same amount as ballards to implement them so if you are you need to buy ten thousand dollars ballards it costs ten thousand dollars to install them wow that's really expensive sort of related to that you've got counters out on armory well they're not out there anymore okay I pulled them I figured the weather is changing okay we had some hiccups with that so we weren't getting counts out there so they're out there almost a month but we probably only got like a week and a half for the counts okay but they'll they'll go out again okay may I ask a question about armory I just wanted so I do right there wait I've never been there when you were there but I do right there and I have noticed that it seems to me the cars are going a lot slower so I was wondering if as part of counting the bikes you would also be doing some speed monitoring because that was but I emailed you I thought this morning and I did not coordinate in any way yeah we actually we I talked with Mike who does all of our scheduling for our our surveys okay anything else I'd like to say something else the US EPA has grant monies through the storm water approach and I believe you should look at not just them but also the US Department of Natural Resources there's money out there it's just a matter of getting staff time to be able to look for some of these extras we're trying man we're trying to take it right volunteer I'm serious I got sent in fell my way I'm glad you gave me my card here you can just write your email okay with that it is now 545 and the meeting is adjourned thank you all and our next meeting is January correct yes you're looking forward to that January that line are you getting ready to get it ready