 Hello everyone, welcome back to Mind Pump. In the first half of the show, we talk about the formula for a winning mindset, for fat loss, for muscle building, and a lot more. In the second half of the show, we answer four questions from our Mind Pump Media Instagram account, questions such as, are overhead farmers walks worth adding to my workout? What's the value of using smelling salts? What's the best midnight snack? And why is rest between sets important? Finally, are you a busy person and sometimes just don't have time to watch a full episode of Mind Pump? Well, we have the answer for you. It's called Mind Pump Clips right here on YouTube. Go over there and subscribe. All right, enjoy the show. The winning mindset when it comes to fat loss, muscle building, and fitness in general can be summed up in the following. Focus on what you can control and accept what you can't. Ignore the things you can't control and focus on all the other stuff. I feel like that's advice for you even for financial health. That's advice for life. Like everything. That's life. You get a plan. So many directions. But it's so important in fitness, right? Yeah. It's so important in fitness. It's like... What inspired that tip? What's your thought process? What inspired that? God. I mean, I think he had nothing else to say. He had nothing else to say. No, you know what it was? No, actually, you know what it was? I know what inspired it. I saw a post. I sent it to you guys yesterday. I did this post of Brock Lesnar when he was a kid and grown up, and there was a picture of him when he was 16 years old. Absolute beast. He looks like a pro bodybuilder when he's 16 years old. Just crazy genetics, right? Crazy muscle building genetics. And I remember when I was 16, there was a period of time where I was like really... It was like piss me off that I don't have these crazy muscle building genetics. I got over it real quick because if I didn't, I would have stopped working out. So that's what made me think about it. Like, yeah, I've been working out forever, always wanted to build muscle, all that stuff. I don't have superior, crazy muscle building genes. I have skinny guy genes or whatever, but I got over it, accepted it, and just moved on. And if I didn't do that, I don't think I would have been able to continue to pursue fitness. I really wouldn't have. So that's what kind of brought that up. But I think it's so important because you guys know this when you get a client. Clients that come to you with that winning attitude, they almost always do great. And then clients that come to you with the opposite attitude, you have to change that before you can ever really make any long-term progress. Well, I liked that too because how many times did you guys get clients that would come in with a picture too of somebody that they wanted to look like? And they're like, you look at them and you're like, oh, shit. We can do a lot. Here's the comparison track. You look nothing like this person. You want to know what I said. Six inch height difference, you know, waist to hip ratios away different, like just not happening. They just take like their arms and then they like, it's like this Frankenstein approach. They're like, I want this and then I want her butt. I want this person's butt. Yeah. This person's shoulders. This person's. Actually, I'll just get in the lab. I actually made a joke once to a potential client and I read him. So I knew he would laugh, but this dude comes in and he's an engineer and he's like, I want to look like, and I remember what he showed me, his picture of like this like, look like a physique competitor, right? It's a Jack guy or whatever. I said, look, I know you referred to me by your friend who said I'm really good. I am really good, but I'm not Jesus. I can't perform miracles. And he started laughing. It was a, it was a great start to our, you know, our fitness relationship in Jesus. But this is super important because there are definitely things you can't change. For example, um, maybe you have a lifestyle that doesn't allow you because you have other priorities, right? That doesn't allow you to work out, uh, for an hour, five days a week, or maybe you have a new baby and you just can't get optimal sleep all the time. Or maybe you're, you live in a household where you have to eat a particular way. Or maybe you do have, you know, genetics that aren't, you know, optimal for fat loss or muscle building, or you're comparing yourself to other people. Like when you focus on those uncontrollables, those things that you really have no influence over, you are making yourself disempowered. You're literally living in this kind of victim disempowered state of mind. And that just is that will make this impossible. You're never going to be able to develop this forward at all. Not only does it not make, move your forward, but it makes it a very negative, crappy existence and eventually you'll quit because you won't want to be in the space anymore where everything sucks. So this is a very important, uh, state of mind to get into if you want long-term success. If you're, you can always find deficiencies. You can always find something that you can focus on that, uh, is a negative or it's something that's like, you know, well, it can talk you immediately out of pursuing a goal like fitness. Like you can, you can, uh, look at, uh, past history of health and genetics. And you can look at, uh, you know, body types and whatnot in your family and you can look at your friends and their experience when they went through this. And then, you know, you can latch yourself onto their experiences. It's just like, it's endless. What you can do, uh, if you really start like going down that, that rabbit hole. So be honest and bother, be honest. How often do you guys have to have this, this conversation with yourself? Oh, you kidding me? This is like you being a human. He's constant. You always have to, especially the comparison thing, right? That's like, especially because it's so, um, everywhere right now, a social media, like internet in general, you can always find, you know, some example out there where you're like, wow, they, you know, I could see, I could see myself kind of looking like that or like, I like what they're doing. And, and you just sort of kind of get drawn into that for me even more than that, not so much in fitness anymore, but just in everyday life. Like, okay, I can't, uh, work out in my garage. It wakes up to baby. Okay. I got to accept that. Oh, the economy's not great right now. So these things I wanted to do, I can't do anymore. So, okay, I got to accept that, uh, the weather, um, you know, your, your kids are in a particular mood or, you know, my, my son's going to be going off to college. That's going to be tough or whatever, like all these different things. Like this happens every day. I think it's just, uh, but you have to have that, that mindset where you look at some say, do I have influence over this? Or do I have no influence over this in reality? And maybe I should just stop focusing on it. It's a stoic philosophy. It's a, and it's a, it's one that's again, it's a way, if you ask anybody who's successful, I think they'll echo something that sounds very similar to this. Yeah. I think the idea, or at least for me, the, the practices to look at everything as it, as it happens for you and not to you, right? In life, like just everything, everything is an opportunity for something good to come out of that. That's just a mind, that's a mindset shift. That's all that is. Right. Cause whether it's true or not, it doesn't matter. Right. Right. I mean, a hundred percent. I mean, it's, and no matter what hard times are going to come, no matter what challenges are going to happen, no matter what you're going to fall, there's always going to be somebody who does something better than you, looks better than you, makes more money than you, that's always going to be there. So constantly getting in the trap of comparing yourself to others like that is just, it's a losing battle. And you're far better off looking at like, okay, everything that does happen in life that it's like, oh, it's happening for me. Even if it's a bad thing and it's hard and it's like, okay, where is the opportunity or the silver lining? By the way, there's great examples of people who've overcome, you know, odds where in most situations, I think a person would say, okay, this is not possible, but the person accepted, you know, their limitations and went forward. Anyways, one person that comes to mind is a jujitsu practitioner from Brazil who became a world champion. He's one of the, he's one of the legends of jujitsu. His name is John Jacques Machado. Maybe Doug can look him up. He was born with a genetic. Is he like, I have a thumb only in one hand? Yeah, you know who he is. Okay. So, so he, one of his hands was born, he was born with a deformity where he only has like a thumb and a pinky. So he did Gijujitsu. This wasn't no G, where you're grabbing the G. So essentially he did jujitsu kind of one handed and modified moves and positions to work with his, with his hand, with the fact that he lacked fingers. And one of his hands became one of the best jujitsu fighters of all time. One of the most influential jujitsu fighters. Well, that's just one example, but there's lots of examples, you know, like, like that. There's a, there he is right there. So you can see where he is. Um, like the, what about the drummer from, uh, what's, what's it called? Deff Lepper. Deff Lepper. Yeah. Lost his arm continued being the drummer for great rock band. Yeah. Or the famous rock climber that we had on, uh, Caldwell. Yeah. Last time, yeah, who, yeah. I mean, his, his whole, he had, he had to adjust his entire climbing because of it, losing, didn't he lose like fingers? Well, because of stories like this, I always find it interesting that we just assume, um, that being privileged is the advantage. And I know that's not a popular thing to say because we're, we're in this time where we're all in the oppression Olympics who's more oppressed and it's constantly like everyone's a victim and we feel, and like, oh my God, you have, you have more privilege than me, but it's like, I actually think it's my experience that if I was more privileged growing up, I think it would have been a disadvantage to me. Now, maybe in the, the short term, it's not when I was young and I was coming up through that, but the, the skills that you, that you were forced to develop to get through those things have now played as an advantage for me later in life. So when I go back and I think about like, okay, well, this person was more privileged than I was growing up. And I go, would I have rather trade places with them? Like it's such a quick, no, no, I wouldn't. Like I see, I see the skill sets that I had to build and develop over that. And I don't think I would have been at an advantage had I been given so much more. And so it's, it's funny to me that we just assume that, you know, being privileged, having more opportunity, having more money, having more success is necessarily the better thing. Cause then you also see examples of a suicide rate and drugs and things in the ultra wealthy, what, what, what makes everybody think that having all the money in the world, having all the privilege was absolutely is a, is actually a better life. Well, they have data on this, by the way. It's like once basic needs are met, you don't really get any happier or have more life fulfillment with, with more. But you're right. It's impossible to quantify because first off, what would be considered a privilege? Let's list all of them so I could come up with literally, you know, a hundred off the top of my head from your height to how smart you are genetically athleticism, how pretty you are, whether or not you had money, do you have two parents, do you have grandparents are alive, where you live? I could list like a million and one different potential privileges and then combine them and then add mindset. Now here's where it gets really crazy because you just said this yourself, and this is your story, Adam, your mindset turned your, what would normally be considered disadvantages into advantages. And there's a lot of stories like that. Like for me, when I had a really bad health care in my early 30s, that sucked. It turned me into the person I am today. The voice that you hear on the show today is started from that period. Had that not happened to me, I don't think I would be here right now talking the way I do. So it's, it's you can't quantify it. You really can't compare yourself to other people necessarily. I think the key, though, is to I think what you said was beautiful, like things don't happen to me, they happen for me. What does that mean? That means when shitty things happen and you go through and you process it, you look at it and say, OK, what's the opportunity? What's the benefit of this? What have I learned? Where can I grow from this? Otherwise, it's just hard. Like something shitty happens to you. If you don't turn it into something positive, it's just shitty. So it's literally up to you to take this thing and turn it into potentially something that could be good for you. Yeah, I don't know how you don't get competitive with yourself that like there, no matter how, because there's plenty of people listening right now that had it way shittier than I do. And that was something that I pieced together, too. It's just like there's plenty of people that had it way harder than me that made it way further than me. So why would I ever want to play the victim or feel sorry for me when I know and that this is true for everybody. Well, everybody in the worst situation out there, count all the things that happened to you that were so bad. There's somebody else out there that had it worse. They're always inspirational stories. That's what like most the movies consisted of with us growing up, you know, like people that overcame and defied the odds and, you know, POWs, for instance, or somebody that was like literally like being tortured all the time and made it through because of their their strong mind. And it's just I feel like that's what needs to be propped and elevated. You know, you just brought something of Katrina and I were talking about the other night that I thought was interesting. We were talking about like the algorithms with like Netflix and the shows and the things that like the kids are watching today and stuff like that. And she actually made a comment about not she didn't want to finish Dahmer. And I'm like, why don't you want to finish Dahmer? I hate that too. Like we're in the middle of something and I'm like, and I'm actually into it. And she's like, no, don't you see what it's doing to our algorithm? And I'm like, look at all the stuff that it's feeding us now that we are watching. She's like, so I'm so not motivated to even watch it because I don't want to be fed that. All right, today's contest. You get to win free access to Maps power lift here so you can enter. Leave a comment below on the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. And then in the comments section, if you're the winner, we'll declare you the winner right there in the comments section. You'll get free access to mass power lift. Now we also have a sale going on this month. Maps OCR and Maps Cardio, both 50% off. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below to get yourself set up. All right, here comes the show. You know what you just maybe think of is, so let's apply this to nutrition since this is more along the lines of our expertise. Imagine if there was a food algorithm. So you eat chips or pizza or candy. It's like, oh, you like that? Here's some more of these foods that you're probably gonna like, right? What if there was an algorithm that you could pick that was like healthy algorithm? So you watch a depressing murder series and Netflix is like, okay, you pick the healthy algorithm, here's some uplifting stuff. Instead of like stuff like that. So I really love the idea of what Freberg suggested for David Freberg from the All In podcast suggested for the Twitter algorithm future. Like I think that, I actually think that that might be the future of a lot of these apps that we have is people become more savvy to how detrimental it can be to continue to feed yourself this type of content or information that maybe these platforms will be forced to create these self-regulating filters that now you opt in. So I opt in and Netflix, I go, you know what? Minimize the murder crime stuff, give me more overcoming adversity stories or adventure or this and that. And so you can then start to shift the content that is being fed to you because we're becoming more aware of that cycle. But where I was heading with that, Justin, that we started to talk about is just, I do remember as a kid, like the hero story was so different. In fact, I don't remember and this could be totally wrong this could be just my experience. But it seems that in the last couple of decades, there's more and more popular and I'm guilty for liking these two is the, and I forget the name of what you call these movies where we make the villain the hero. Yes, and the anti-hero or. Yeah, what's that called? Yeah, it's not what it's called. You know, like, for example, and Disney even did that with like 101 Dalmatians, like they told the crew develop story from her angle and you end up falling in love with the evil character, the bad character. It's like breaking bad and it's a lot of these, like, yeah, they glorify, I guess, that somebody that kind of like goes from being kind of good and then like becomes this ultra villain, in a sense. Like, I don't remember a lot of those stories as a kid. They were good and bad and good always prevailed over evil and that was kind of like the storyline as a child. Where now I actually see there's a lot of, the heroistic story sometimes is the villain or the bad person. Well, I think that's, that might be more because humans are very complex. And so when they do that, it's not like they're taking someone, there's always an element where they're trying to make you understand them a little bit or like them a little bit for some, you know, from one other reason. Plus, you know, it's not real. So you can kind of like, okay, this is cool. But we're really, you know, humans are really complex. I actually prefer that because when you put people on a pedestal, like they're perfect, you know, it's like, this is the conundrum, right? Because it is programming. So we were programmed a different way growing up. Like that was something that we started to notice was like, you're propping all these people way too high when they're actually flawed, right? And so that became like, this isn't real. Like we were always trying to kind of find more real examples to kind of go on to versus now it's too real or it's switched kind of roles in terms of like, well, we've seen everybody fuck up, you know? And we've seen people lie to us like all the time. And so now we're getting all these like super exaggerated examples of that. And we're not getting any of like the good behavior examples. And by the way, I'm not saying that it was necessarily better when we were kids. I'm just saying it's an observation that I've made that like it's shifted. It's shifted dramatically. And I'm not saying one is better than the other necessarily, but I do recognize that that was not as prevalent as it is today. I wonder if that's because there were stories like that. It's just the difference was the bandwidth was so limited back then. Like back then to tell a story. Really good, I couldn't come up with like a really good example. Well, so I'll tell you some, but one that comes to mind. But you know, back then, if you want to tell a good story, you did it in a movie. And a movie typically lasts like two hours, right? So two hour movie. If you want to take someone and develop this complex character that you hate and like at the same time, you need longer than two hours. The Sopranos did that. That was one of the first series to do that. That's a good example. And it's like, you know, if you told that story in an hour and a half, it'd be really hard to build that story. So I think the bandwidth is longer. So we can tell stories more books have done this for a long time, because books tell long stories. And comic books did this for a long time. It's the classics. Comic books, gangster movies. It's the classic Batman versus Superman. The people who like Batman versus people who like Superman, the difference is people who like the Boy Scout, like the savior versus people who like the flawed human, you know, who wants to do good, but has also got that capacity for evil. Yeah, but to me that's still different because they're still fighting evil, both those characters, both the Punisher and Batman. These are people that like, we've now like the Jeffrey Dahmer story, like we've turned bad people into characters that we are putting on pedestals. There's a difference between liking Batman and the Punisher versus wanting to dress up like Jeffrey Dahmer for a whole readout. Like to me, there's a clear difference between the way we've highlighted these characters. I don't know, I think that's not, to me that's not a good example. People look, we've dressed up as Freddy Krueger, you know, serial killers have always had like women writing them letters, love letters in a prison. This has happened for decades. I think people are just fascinated. I would say most people don't like Jeffrey Dahmer. I'd say the vast majority of people say, no, I don't like that guy, but it's fascinating and it's interesting. But there's always the phenomenon of the sort of the person that's gonna mimic them, right, in real life. Like serial killers, when that story prevails, there's people that will repeat it. I tell, there was a huge, there was a international team of scientists that was pleading with Western nations, please stop posting these killers' names and specifics on what they did because they often write in their manifestos that that's what they want. They want to go out with a bang. And they said, if you keep letting, if you keep putting them out there in the media, we're gonna create more of these. You know, the first time I remember as a kid, the difference between the superhero that was like invincible and like the regular guy, the first time I watched Die Hard, do you guys remember that when you were a kid? When Die Hard came out, the action hero was Arnold, Sylvester Stallone, they were jacked, like they couldn't get hurt. They made him like the divorce dad, smoking cigarettes. Yeah, he's got like a dad bond. Yeah, a regular dude. And I remember when I watched it, my dad rented it and he's like, oh, I got an action movie because I was young, I was probably 13 or something like that. I'm like, oh, cool, I love action movies. And I looked at him like, this is stupid. He doesn't look that rude. He doesn't have muscles and like, look at that, this is dumb. And my dad's like, I heard it's good. So I actually watched it as a kid. I remember as a kid, that shift that happened in my brain, like as I watched it, I was like, this is really good. He's like an everyday guy, you know? Did you hope I could be a hero one day? He saved me, what is it, the building? Not going to tell me you're building or whatever. Because at that time it was all the opposite. Yeah, it was all great. By the way, bro, comic books were like this for a long time, The Punisher, you brought him up. He was not just a good guy. He was not good. He would torture and murder people. Yeah, but he did it though to bad people though, right? That's his story. They were, but when you, they were awesome. Like the Wolverine. He applied the same tactics that it was just, it was revenge. It was like revenge porn. It was the opposite of like Superman who won't even kill the most evil person. He like refuses to kill anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally different. It's just, these are fascinating stories. But I mean. Yeah, I don't, and like the whole point of me bringing the conversation up is just, it's more of an observation than it is me making, like you know, sort of strong statement that this is bad or this is good. It's just, I find it interesting and then I wonder how much it affects just, you know, cause it is story. Story turns powerful as shit. Oh yeah, I guess that's my point too, the program. I wonder how much is driven by actual, like the audience that wants it versus like, you know, what they're actually like subscribing to versus like what's actually being promoted and pushed for, for our acceptance. Dude, I just watched a series on, I think it was Netflix. You guys will love this. It was about this young girl. It was, it's about drug smuggling. I can't remember the name of the series. And I guarantee it's popped up in your. I may have seen it. Yeah. And you might not have watched it. So it's this Irish girl who grew up kind of poor or whatever. Wanted to get out of town, get out of her town, her small town, you know, family, 10 kids or whatever. She saves up enough money to buy a one way ticket to Ibiza, goes to Ibiza, parties, has a super naive, like young, you know, girl. She's like 21 or 22 or something like that. 20 maybe. And she's out there partying, meets kind of like the wrong people or whatever. Some dude, she kind of falls for this dude. He convinces her while she's on drugs and partying or whatever. He convinces her to, hey, go pick up some drugs for me. It's not a big deal. I'll pay 5,000 pounds, which was a lot of money to her. Anyway, it turns out he sent her to Peru. She even knows she was going to Peru, ends up over there, ends up smuggling back a bunch of cocaine. It turns into this big thing because he, what they do with these drug, what these big cartels do is they, well, every once in a while give the police, because they pay the police off, they'll give them like a sting operation to make them feel better. So they got caught. Meanwhile, thousands of pounds of drugs are going through over here. So this innocent girl, not innocent because she agreed to do it, but she's naive as shit, goes to a jail in Peru and it's fucked. She's like this, like the worst, if you could imagine the kind of girl that would probably get killed in prison, that's her. Anyway, she goes in there and the story's amazing. As she's talking about it and they interviewed prisoners, after about a year, she made this shift in mentality. Exactly what I'm talking about where she said, I decided to focus on what I can control and ignore what I couldn't and I accepted my fate. In the prison there, she made a hair salon, was able to make money, apparently the way the prisons run over there, that they allow them to run businesses, if there's a- Is this based on a true story? True story. Oh, it is. This is true. Oh, interesting. She made a salon in there, made enough money to pay, to get in front of the court again, to run an appeal and pleaded with the judge or after three years she was let out, she was supposed to be in there for 16 years and became this great success story. So totally reminds me of what we're talking about. It's really, really good. I can't, I don't know the name of it, so maybe you've got to go ahead. Along the lines of narratives and talking about these big storytelling companies, did you guys see the text I sent over to you guys last night about Disney and gambling and all that stuff like that? Okay, so you say rumors, what do you mean by that? Well, I mean, I've sent over the article, there's articles about it now. Because they own ESPN. So I bought shares years ago. I don't know they own ESPN, by the way. Yeah, they own ESPN. So I bought shares of DraftKings and I brought shares of the Barstool One Pen gambling years just because I see what's happening with sports gambling and it's becoming widely, it was like huge no-no forever in sports. I know. And if you've been watching sports for the last decade, you've watched the evolution of it being completely demonized for so many years. Now you see commercials for it. Yeah, and the announcers talk about the spreads while they're talking about the game. Like that was never a part of sports. And so, and Disney for the longest time has refused to touch gambling. Like so they've been offered millions and millions of dollars to put gambling on their cruise lines. It's very popular to have gambling on cruise lines. Most cruise lines have gambling, but Disney boats don't. And they won't let them use their Disney characters on gambling because they recognize what it is, right? It's like putting it on alcohol or something like that, right? But because they have their, you know, I don't know if you call it their sister company or one of their companies that are underneath the Disney family. Like a buffer. ESPN is in conversations now with DraftKings and working out some sort of deal. And that could be, you know, imagine the power that Disney has and stuff getting behind potentially the gambling, which is why I sent that over to you guys. Like, hey, just FYI, this was something that I bought years ago and it's not, I mean, it hasn't exploded yet. DraftKings, I think trades at like $16 a share, which is pretty low right now. But if they actually pair up with ESPN. I know you recommended we buy it. I'm like, maybe. I know it's about, I mean, I don't recommend anyone buy stock right now. I think it's, I think right now is a really tumultuous time within the, both the stock market and real estate right now. So, you know, buyer beware. And they're not giving anybody stock advice right now. I'm just telling you what I personally did because I follow sports that closely. I also gamble. And so I think that these gambling companies, if they merge with sports and they start merging with some of the biggest networks out there, I mean, it's going to be. It's crazy, like the, I don't know. It used to just be like a blatant, like conflict of interest, right? Yeah. When you're presenting sports, but then you're also like, you know, throwing wagers in there and commenting on them and like getting background information. I got two comments on this. One is for people who still think that companies are, you know, either good or bad in trade or whatever, like, no, okay. The whole reason why they do gambling, the whole reason why they may do gambling is because of the consumers. We drive what the companies do. The company's job is to make money. They couldn't, you know, you know how this got into fantasy, fantasy football and fantasy sports exploded. Yeah, cause that was like accepted gambling. It was. It was something that, and it became so popular that ESPN and NFL Network had to dedicate. So deniable. They had to dedicate a channel of people that literally just want to hear the analyst talk about the fantasy, who to pick up? Who's on the waiver wire? Who's statistics that matter? Yeah, because we, like you said, Sal, we've demanded that there was such a huge popular portion of the audience that was following fantasy sports. And of course a lot of people gamble with it. A lot of people pay like you put your money in the pot and then now there's money on the line with it. And so I think that was kind of the introduction of accepting gambling. So here's my comment about, or speculation or I don't know, opinion, I'd love your guys, cause you guys are much more, especially you Adam, so deep in this. Gambling has always had kind of a negative, I don't know, relationship of sports because of potential cheating, right? Boxing is the most common, most famous one where boxers throw fights. Throw fights. But there's famous accounts in sports where, you know, a referee, you know, kind of call, it makes a call. I don't know if that was good or not. Quite a few examples of referees. There was a huge controversy in professional soccer. There's a great documentary on that right now. In professional soccer. On the basketball, on the basketball ref. Untold, yeah. Okay, so what do you guys think now? Cause gambling's always, you know, it's been, it's been a lot of money. It's had potential influence, you know, whatever. With all this new money flowing in, do you guys think that this is gonna, that this is a stronger incentive for sports to be? Of course. Yeah. I don't think it's ever, so there's a joke in the, within my buddies and I that all gamble and stuff like that. I call it the blue phone. And the blue phone is Vegas. That's what I say. I always say like, and that's, remember when I told you guys a story the other day where I was at the game and it lands right on the spread? Like there's times so many. I wonder if they're looking at the spread or like, we're gonna see. Yeah, so we always make this joke that like, when it, I mean, some games are uncontrollable. Shit happens, right? But then there's times where I feel like the game is so close to the spread that a simple timeout or a ref making a call one direction makes it fall on the other side that easily. There's irregular calls that you're just like, why would they do that? Yeah, you've watched things before. You've watched NFL games before where the game is over and there's no real, you would just kneel it out but then they kick a field goal. But that field goal was enough to put it over the spread. And Vegas was heavy on that side versus the other side. And you go like, dude, come on. I have friends that are completely convinced. So yeah, there's, you guys like, you guys who tease me or you guys tease you guys about conspiracy theories, I have a conspiracy theory around that that there are definitely times where Vegas makes a call and they have, they have- I don't think that's the point about conspiracy theory. I think it's just observing human behavior. I think it's hilarious that people just ride it off right away. The conspiracy theory is when all you're doing is paying attention to human behavior and where that ends up when money is an incentive. I think it's more than plausible. We already have real accounts of this happening many, many, many times in high level professional sports. Huge controversies, courts got involved, people getting fired. Like it's happened so many times, you really think. And when you watch- It's not gonna happen again. When you watch actually this, the one that Justin's referring to, the untold on Netflix, the one on the ref, I can't think of his name right now, but I mean, he did it for like, I wanna say for like five, six years. And he was like one of the best in the game at it. And just by subtly making a couple calls, it's so hard to tell. How can you pin it on them? It is, it's too, it's really, I forget how he got caught too. I got to go back and watch it. It was a really good- Especially in a game like soccer where they don't do replays or whatever. And the refs make the call and that's it. Well, I think it's even harder in something like basketball where there's so many points scored. There's always a, like right now, okay, so this thing- Did you replay in basketball? They do. But I mean, like you got, you got 200 something points a game or being scored. So that's 200 opportunities. Yeah, you're right. For you to- If something's on the line, right? Yeah, and there's so many calls, it's like, oh, you foul them, oh, you know, you didn't. And you can manipulate the clock so easily by just throwing the whistle. Operation flagrant foul. Yeah. That's his name right there. Yeah, Tim Donahue. Yeah. For years, bro. For years, he got away with it and flew under the radar without people knowing. And so it's not hard to- And these are businesses, these are all money-making businesses. Huge. NBA, MLB, you know, NFL. Yeah, you're not talking about a little bit of money here too. You're talking about millions and millions of dollars that are getting bet on these games. So, yeah, to think that it's- Yeah, unfortunately, I think it's being influenced already. Did you see that there's some people saying that the fight, Jake Paul fight, with this video of when he knocked down Anderson Silva? Yeah. He kind of didn't even touch his face when he went down. Oh, really? I didn't see it. It looked like he rocked it. No, it was from another angle. Oh, interesting. It looked like he barely brushed across his nose and then he went down. Oh, man. So you think that the whole news, the rumor came out, I don't know if it was true or not. This is, again, I'm speculating on this. I heard that Anderson Silva was, you got knocked out twice by his sparring partners. See, look, Jake Paul's win over Anderson Silva was rigged. Maybe if you click on that, there's a- You know what he made last year in boxing? Who? This is what I like, Doug, to look up. Look up Top 20 Professional Boxers Income. Salarier Income. For last year. Jake Paul made $40 million last year in boxing. What? Where does that play some? I don't know. That's why I'm curious. I have no idea. I read that. I go like- How much did he make in a year? Floyd definitely, I mean, Floyd had like a hundred. He got like a hundred. He got like a hundred. Right, right, right. But I mean, you're talking about Floyd Mayweather, right? Who is one of the greatest- The greatest accomplished greatest of all time, yeah. So the fact that someone like Jake Paul could come in and fight a bunch of bums and make $40 million, you gotta be so mad if you're a professional boxer. He's like number five. He's number five? Hold on, hold on. Well, he's basically Don King and he's- No, Logan Paul, at the same time. So we got Floyd Mayweather. Number one. Anthony Joshua. Two. Tyson Fury. Three. Deontay Wilder. Four. Those are all real boxers. And then Paul. Wow. Wow. Top five boxer, dude. Just like that. That's insane. It's pretty incredible. That's crazy. I mean, it is incredible because it's completely shifting an industry. Yeah. I mean, that would have never been done before just so for us to do this like this and then to see that it's going to- And I think what we talked about last time is what's most likely is, I don't think it's gonna change the sport of boxing, per se, like it's not gonna change all the howl. It's just another- It's gonna be a new thing. It'll be like the WWF of- Yeah, I agree. Of boxing. I think that you'll- And I think people won't give a shit. I think there'll be enough people that follow these characters that go like, I know it's not the best boxing, but I want to see this dude fight. I mean, I want to- At what point do we have our politicians getting the ring? That would be awesome. I would just- I'd be into that. I don't care who wins. I just want to see one of them get their ass kicked. Yeah. I'll cheer for that. There's already lots of these fight, like not leagues or competitions around the world that are fucking weird. And because of the internet, they're making a lot of money. For example, the slap competition. Yeah, the slappers get big right now. Then there was one I saw where it was like this- They tie each other's wrists to each other. There was like this big chick, like this big woman. And she fought these two like small dudes. So they like try to jump on her and she's fighting up. What? There was one where they were fighting at- Justin, I saw this. This was the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Is it the phone booth? No, that was great. That was hella bloody too. Phone booth was my favorite. Yeah. Or in a car. Or they're in a car and they fight each other. No, the craziest one I ever saw, they literally had on full medieval armor and swords. They weren't fake swords. Didn't they have platforms too? And they'd like jump off. I mean, they were fucking each other up with swords and hitting each other with their shield. I was like, wow, dude. Yeah. What are you guys doing? Isn't it interesting that like that it's how- I mean, since the Roman times, right? We've been- Since before. Right? Yeah, even before. You're either in war or you're some form of entertainment of war. Right. You know, like- I mean, that's what sports is. Sports is the mildest version of that, right? I mean, that's because we don't have the Colosseum to death anymore. Football is unboxing. You know, sometimes we're still animals, man. Like, we can't shed that part of us. Is that what it is that draws us to that? Is it just purely inscribable and we want to fight? There's an evolutionary advantage to having a level of that, right? Because for most of human history, if you had your tribe and food was scarce and there was another tribe, you had to have those guys that were like, I'm going to go and fight them, you know, because that's what helped us survive. So I think it's cool when it's controlled and there's rules, which is our civilized way of taking these instincts and not letting them turn into actual insane war, which we still do, although, you know, far less than we used to. So that's, you know. But I mean, look, let's be honest. I mean, we all got a lot of fights when we were kids. I hated them, but they were also exhilarating at the same time. I hated them. And then afterwards, especially if I won, afterwards. Yeah, exactly. But what was interesting about it was like, there was like a mutual respect for the most part when I'd get in a fight with somebody and we were done. And then we just kind of like acknowledge each other at that. Like, OK, we worked it out. You know, I feel like there's so much less of that now. Like, nobody ever works it out. Yeah. Yeah. That one documentary I showed you a long time, it was Knuckle. That showed those Irish travelers. And they just, that's how they settled brutal. Yeah, I still like that there. Yeah, I don't know. But they'll pick like a family, like a representative from each family. And then they have rules and they actually enforce the rules and they have a fight and then they bet money on it. And that's it. Is there anything from like those like back way back in the times that you wish that we were more of today? I do wish there was more honor in that kind of stuff because like, you know, like, like the way my grandfather and father grew up was rough. Like my dad, you grew up real poor in Sicily and the police weren't really involved unless something major happened. And half the time they were paid off by organized crime. So you kind of had to handle your own shit and people would fight. And if somebody showed up with a weapon, then the whole town was like, that's not fair. You can't. So it's kind of like, oh, it's fair. It's a fair fight. Let them do their thing and figure it out. That doesn't happen so much now, right? It's more like sneak attack, weapons, shoot. And I think the whole like your word is your bond, you know, that's like a really old principle that people used to share. And for some reason, because of the information age and technology and being an autonomous and that's it, you know, the autonomy of it, like not being who you really are, like having any responsibility for your actions, whether it's what you say, what you do, like, you know, physically, the thing is, I just feel like we can, we can just dismiss that a lot now and be able to get away with just shitty behavior without consequences. We had societal pressures because towns were small. Yeah. So if you shook hands. Oh, no, you you said that. Yeah, you shook hands with the baker and you say, I'll pay you. And then you don't. And then the town knows about it. You're a pariah. Yeah. Nobody's going to do business with you. We have to have like the law now and in, you know, actual signatures because I guess we're so big too big. Yeah, you could rob a baker and then live in that town and never get no one would even know. Yeah, you develop a reputation before and then nobody wants to work with you. Nobody wants to do anything with you because you're that coward. You're that person that backed out of the deal or whatever. So, you know, speaking of bets, don't show me a car. Wow. We still got that car. No, I never wanted so I could bring it up. No, no, we're almost there. We've almost arrived. We've almost arrived. I could I could buy a car as a fucking joke. You know, I'm still waiting for the bet where somebody has to like get a tattoo or something. Oh, God, that's fun. Oh, that's crazy right there. I think I think a funny little clown car. That's a smart one. I'm going to buy you a piece of shit. I'm going to buy you a little smart car. It's going to be a wagon. And I'm going to plaster your face on it or something. Yeah, it's good to spend money on it. Yeah, I fucking will. Yeah, I will. That's hilarious. For this podcast ends, we will definitely, I will have you buy lashes. Speaking of cars, obviously this is going extinct, but manual transmissions, right? So hard to find. So hard to find. My buddy just bought a sick Corvette. And I asked him, I'm like, did you get a manual? And he's like, no, you don't make them probably don't. He's so lame. Yeah, I got I got a list of cars here. The ultimate deterrent for getting your car stolen. That's what police will tell you. Yeah, they say if you drive a stick shift, no one's going to steal it. I got a bunch of I got a list of cars that still offer manual. So there's a like the Supercars Porsche 911. There's the CT5V Blackwing, the Cadillac. That's the one you guys liked. There's another pay that came in GT4 Porsche Boxster. Then there's a Mazda Miata. That's a sick trip. That's what I might buy you. You can have that one. Hey, hey, you make fun of me all you want. You wanted one at one time. That would be fun. Just to take it and just wreck it. Yeah, I think that would be just power flight. You would enjoy that one too much because it's convertible and stuff like that. You would own that one. Smart car, nice and breezy. Kicking the Ceramoglacan tunes. Subaru BRZ. I mean, there's a few cars that, you know, Hyundai Elantra. Yeah, very few. Yeah, there's a Honda Civic that they come. Oh, the Civic Type R. Yeah, the Type R, Type R. Yeah, they still have Volkswagen GTI. I love stick shift. You know what though? Back in the day, stick shift was faster than automatic, but they make the automatic timing so much better. Now it's actually faster. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. You have to be really good at launching. I mean, I feel like it's kind of always been that way. Even when I had a stick as a kid and my buddy would beat me a lot of times, we both had the same kind of car and he had an automatic and I had the stick. And unless you have, if you're really good at launching. You have to really know what you're doing. Yeah, and not spin your tires out. You spin your tires out and then the automatic is in. You know, I was thinking a good way if you're worried about your kid texting while driving buy them a stick shift. Yeah. Because then they got to keep their hands. I mean, I actually. Get some busy. So I learned, when I was 14, I learned how to drive on a stick and then my first two cars were stick. And I actually think that that as that. Now, here's the word. You got to bring that back. Yeah. I mean, it makes you so much more alert. I remember, I vividly remember the like the first day of like learning to drive. And every and you're so focused as a kid doing the clutch and the shifting that I would like look down and be drifting. They're like, we live out of the country, right? So it's OK. I know cars coming like that. But I remember that was every time I do it, I would like drift over. The first time you get like stalled on a hill. Oh, bro. How nervous you remember the first time you drove a stick shift in San Francisco? Oh, yeah. I did that literally. It was like three months after getting my driver's license. Let's go to San Francisco. When I was in high school, I would drive only in certain areas because there was in fact, there was a grocery store in our town that was like down in this bowl. And I would never go there because I know that that possibility of I would get stuck on this hill and you had to go out across this double highway area. So it was burnt out on accident. Oh, my God. It was like terrifying. Did you guys learn how to do it like the beginner way, right? With the handbrake? Is that how you guys learn how to do it? On the hill, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the beginner way. Oh, no. So my dad said, look, I'm going to show you this now. But you got to learn how to do it the right way. But just in case you go when you're up in the hill, put it in. You go in neutral, put it in the bed, put the handbrake up, and then start. So you have it. You start adding. So you're starting pushing? Pushing and then take the handbrake off. Then you take the handbrake off. Oh, yeah. No, I never did that. Otherwise you don't fall back. Otherwise you do the half foot thing, right? Where your foot's on the brake and the gas and the clutch. You know, type of deal. But yeah, I went to San Francisco three months or so after getting my license. And I was just anxious, bro. Because the other thing about San Francisco is learning the one-way streets. Like, if you've never been in a town or didn't grow up like around, like, things like that. You never turned left, dude, in San Francisco. Without navigation. I was following Katrina just the way she had Max. It was freaking, she turned down the one way and then I come right behind her. I'm like, oh, shit, we're on the wrong side. How do you remember where we were at? But yeah, if you're not familiar with that area, or we're in Oakland, if you're not familiar with that area and you don't know about one-ways in San Francisco, it's all like that, dude. So, all right, so, Adam, I wanted to ask you this, just to change gears here. You have the most experience using the juve red light for hair regrowth. There was a period of time there. Well, I actually wasn't, that was like a side effect. I don't know if you remember this. But I remember telling you, I don't know if we, I don't think we talked about it on air. But I was using it way back when for the testosterone and psoriasis, but I remember telling you that I felt like I noticed my hair and then it was you who came back and then told me that there was research to support that. Really good research. But I wasn't doing it for that. That wasn't the main reason. I just had the, I had the full panel and I would sit there in my like office chair. Look on your phone? Yeah, I totally would. I would be like this on my phone and just come 20 minutes sitting there in front of it. And then I remember like feeling my head going like, God, I feel like I'm getting like the, it reminded me of when I was messing with, what's that, Bosley or what? Oh, like Minoxidil? Yeah. I remember I would feel like this like peach fuzz growing back when I was trying that. So the best research on red light therapy, like the most like the strongest research is for skin, like how it makes your skin look like with wrinkles and healing and hair. Hair regrowth is like definitely, definitely, definitely works according to the data and the research. So the reason why I'm bringing this up. So Jessica had, she made these photo album books. Really nice, right? I don't know if you guys know you can do this. You can get, cause everything's digital. You send your picture. There's a website you go on and she puts the pictures on like this book and they print it and mail it to you. It's really nice. Is it Shutterfly? Yeah, Shutterfly. Okay, so I saw. It's been around since the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. We have them from home. It's crazy technology. It's cool. There's this box. It's great too. You guys, there's this box. You hit a button and then you see things. But it looks like there's people inside but they're not really in there. I checked. I opened it too. So anyway, we got all these like these photo books all the way back from 2016 and my son Aurelius loves them for whatever reason. So the other day I was, I went to the bathroom real quick and then he was real quiet. I went, oh, you have a two year old and shit gets quiet. Usually that's bad news. Anyway, I go in and he's on the couch and he's going through the book. Oh, cute. So I go and I look at them with them and I hadn't looked at them. I really looked at them and my daughter comes home and she goes, wow. Look how much hair you had, dad. Oh, I'm like, I know what's happening slowly. Okay. Maybe, so I'm going to start using it, I think, on a regular basis to try to, I know. I actually love the skin. Like I feel like, and I can notice it right one time. One time of doing it, afterwards your skin looks like it's glowing. It almost looks like I was in a tanning bed for a few minutes. It's what it feels like afterwards. So it's got a different. Speaking of my son, he turns two today. Today's my birthday, happy birthday to him. Hey, so what? I meant to ask you this because yesterday I was playing with my son and he has this huge dinosaur book he absolutely loves. And I was trying to remember, I was thinking about your son because I knew his birthday was coming up. And I was like, you know, I wonder if he really says getting into dinosaurs yet because I remember Max was about one and a half and he became infatuated with dinosaurs. Is he into dinosaurs? And you were into dinosaurs when you were a kid. I was a huge into dinosaurs and sharks. He likes cars, trucks and buses. Loves them, loves them. So when we drive, when he's getting like, antsy in the backseat, I open his window and I'm like, look a truck, look a bus, look. And he just loves it. It's his favorite thing to do. His favorite day of the week. And this is just perfect how it works. So today's his birthday. It's also the day that garbage drugs. Isn't that funny how kids love that? They love it. My buddy Chris, who I'm talking to today, like he has to go up there out religiously. That's like, he's like, he's trained his son on what days. And if he doesn't, his kid will flip out. So he has to go out there and they have, they live like in these townhouses and he's got to let the trash guy get all the trash cans and the kid wants to just sit there and just watch them. Oh, they honk at him. So they know him now and they honk at him. So, you know, part of it, I'm like, wait a minute, honey, are you out there with him? She's like, yeah, I'm like, hmm, the garbage guy is honking at you. So Katrina, that's so weird, right? So Katrina and I were talking about this. And I had, I was into semi trucks. That was my thing. And I, so I remember I had this, you know, what's the, what's the brand? Doug probably remembers this brand. It's the Tonka. No, no, no, no, no, no. Semi, like this, like the diesel trucks. Gear belt? No. No, the orange ones that take people's furniture and stuff like that. It's called source, it's all orange. And then it has like stripes that go run diagonal on it. It's a company that's been around forever. I know you guys know it, huh? I could see it now. Yeah, I cannot believe I can't think of the name. And you buy the toys of that brand. Yes. And it was like a, and as a kid, I knew I, I didn't know until later as an adult what that toy was. I remember seeing like these moving truck solar. I'm like, I had toys of a moving truck. Yeah, of a moving truck. How lame is that? Yeah, how lame is that? I'm like, I had no idea what it was until way later. Oh, I was into the same thing. I mean, with like concrete. Brown, orange and yellow are the colors. Brown, orange and yellow and they're, and it's a, and they're like John Deere tractors and everything. I was into the big like earth mover ones, you know, the big construction. What are those called? There's a name for those. Like a you, a you, certainly you. I thought it was called earth mover. They're like a dump truck, but they're like way oversized. So I just looked up orange truck toy. Don't look toys of it. It wasn't like a normal toy. That's, it was like a moving company. And I had the, I had their, their semi truck that I played with forever. It's going to drive me crazy. Yeah, we're going to have to find out what. Orange moving company. Is it Penske? Oh, I think it is Penske. Let me see what it looks like. Can you show me? Let me look it up right now. It's going to drive me crazy. You have to be really important. It might be Penske, dude. Yeah, I think you're right. It's like orange, orange brown and yellow colors. Yes. Yes. Oh no, or is it hurts? Allied. No, it's Allied. Oh, Allied. Allied right here. How'd you guys, it was, I, I put up moving trucks that are orange. It was like all over it. Well, I mean your phone listens to you and does all your shit. Yeah, it was Allied. Okay. Oh yeah. I remember that one and it has like this. My grandma might have still have it somewhere. We got to give it to your boy. I just think that's hilarious that it was like I was hardcore into that toy that I can remember all the way back to almost his age of playing with it. Is that your favorite toy? It was. Do you know what my favorite toy was? Do you guys remember, this is back when it was cool to play with toy guns, which I still think is cool about. This is not brown, this is black. It was, Allied. Okay, do you guys remember those toy guns that shot the discs? Yes. That was my, that was my favorite because the discs kind of hurt when you hit them. Yeah, they whipped. They whipped down. So it was fun to shoot. When I think back to guns that were actually cool as a kid that, because you remember, you remember as a kid, some of the guns were just like lame. Yeah, you wanted to actually shoot. You're shooting at your, dude, especially water guns. Like if you had the ones that are like these plastic or had the little, like, you had to like fill them up upside down and then plug it in. It like only would shoot out this far and then super suckers came out. Remember when I brought that guy up? Yeah. The engineer or whatever like that, that patented that and made bajillions of dollars off of being the super-soaker guy? I used the water weenie before the super-soaker came out. Remember that thing? Wrap around your waist. And then until it breaks. Yeah. My dad had an industrial, like commercial length water hose. So, you know, the ones that are hail-along and we had a hell of a water pressure at my house because I don't know what he did, but you know, he liked it. So this is, by the way, I don't know, I think this is like a, an old school, the tie-in thing because I've seen memes about it but they all like to wash their yard with their hose just wash them in the front. Just wash it off. Yeah. But anyway, he had this really long hose. So when we'd have big water fights in the back, in the neighborhood, I'd come out with this long-ass hose looking up and I could cover like two or three houses with that. Yeah. But you wanted to find like any kind of little weapon or something that hurt just enough. Yeah. Like even if it was snapping pops. Otherwise it wasn't fun. Yeah. We would take our shirts off and throw snapping pops at each other and it would like explode. Yeah. There's no consequences of getting shot. It's not that, it's not that fun. It's stupid. There has to be some consequences. Which is why I think paintball and airsoft ended up being so big. Airsoft went crazy now and I get it. You know, that's why I was like a little apprehensive about it, but then I'm like, I totally get it. I would have been into it. Speaking of weapons, did you guys know that shotgun ammo can be made into crazy, exotic, weird shit? Did you guys know this? Well, you just brought it up. Done. And blew my mind. Exotic shotgun ammo. So. What? So I didn't know this until a while ago. I was on YouTube and there was this dude that was like testing all these different. Now I'm familiar with like a slug, right? That's like a big, one big buckshot. There's double op, right? Which is the balls, like the balls, the heavy balls. There's bird shot. Bird shot, I mean, yeah. And then there's like variations of each. I thought that was it. No, no, apparently there's all kinds of crazy, different types of ammo. One of them is called fire's breath, where it literally shoots out flames and they'll have like a dummy and they'll demonstrate it. And you're like, you can set someone on fire at this shotgun show. There's another one that's called a. Legal? Yeah. Well, not in California. Nothing's legal here. But in some states, there's one that's called a flichette round and it shoots little spears out of the, out of the, out of the shelf. That's crazy. There's another one called a Bolo round. It's got two lead balls with it, with like a wire connecting them. So you shoot it and it's just like spinning. It's you. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. That was like cutting to you. There are wild, crazy rounds that you can buy. There's a one called a 50 cal BMG. I wonder what would be the, I would think the buck shot would be one of the best for home protection, right? Well, so there's a lot of controversy over that. So buck shot definitely, especially if you're at relatively close range, each one of those hits with the force of a nine millimeter or close to, right? From what I read, someone's going to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure. But it's like devastating, right? A slug, especially at close range is like, it's like a cannon. Yeah. And they say for home defense is they say that you got to be careful because that goes through the walls. You know? So I've heard arguments for people who say use bird shot, but bird shot's not going to really kill anybody. So when I read this article on this guy said, when you load your shotgun, the first round is bird shot. The second one is buck. So the first one's like, boom. And it's the guy keeps coming at you, not scared. Then you hit him with the next one. Yeah, type of deal. But that's too much thinking. I don't know. Yeah, I've heard arguments, in terms of like, you want to have a lethal, if you're going to be shooting somebody, you want it to be lethal, you don't want to mess around. Yeah. Otherwise you're giving them the opportunity, then you shot me, now I'm going to kill you. It's just like, what are we doing here? Yeah. I don't know, dude, you shoot somebody with a freaking buck shot. If you're going to commit to shoot somebody. Yeah, it's true. You know, what are you even doing at that point? Yeah, it's true. I mean, I get your point, but I feel like if someone, some guy, let's say creeps in and he's holding like a nine millimeter or so with that, I come around the corner with my bird shot. You're fucking blast. I'm pretty sure he dropped the gun. You know what I'm saying? Pretty sure he'll drop the gun. Or might not. If he has a leather jacket on, it's not going to go through the leather jacket. He'll feel it. Not bird shot. He won't go, are you sure about that? Positive. You have a thick leather jacket that ain't going to go through. Oh, wow, okay. I didn't know that. I thought, I thought it wouldn't go through. You know, we have gun enthusiasts right now. Although, by the way, I know, I know, dude. Or they're like, hey, you know what, don't fuck you. Go get your own show. I hate the, I hate what I, I can't talk about MMA. I can't talk about anything because there's always some expert on. Stay in your lane. There's always somebody an expert online who's just like, go start your own podcast. Talk with your buddies. So my sister's longtime boyfriend. You have a podcast. No, we listen. Well, so my sister's longtime boyfriend, he was in the military for years. He's a police officer. I had this conversation with him about home defense and stuff like, he said the most important thing you need to consider when you buy a gun for a home defense is that you're super well versed in it. That you practice it so often that under states of extreme stress or duress seems kind of common sense that you can handle it. A lot, actually a lot of people don't think of that. They think, oh, I got this gun, but they're not so like, he says, you got to be so comfortable with it, you could do it in the dark, eyes closed. It's like, it's like buying a fricking super car but not being able to drive very well. It's like kind of common sense to me. Well, worse than that. Probably shouldn't buy the thousand horse power car. If you know what you recommended, he said, unless you're going to practice all the time, all the time, he says a revolver, a classic revolver is pretty good because it's hard to mess up. There's not like a safety load. Yeah, they're not a safety or whatever. It's there and you just pull the trigger and it's still good. The only thing that they say, huh? He said that, because guns have safeties and stuff. And if you're not super well versed and you're stressed out and you point and you're not doing the safety right or whatever, I mean, the guy could take the gun from you and then you're, especially if it's your wife, right? With the revolver, that's it. That's why, the biggest thing I think is being able to aim that thing, man. Especially with a kick on a revolver and stuff like that. That's why I think shotgun is like the way to go. Well, he said, he actually told me. You're not likely to miss. I asked him with the shotgun and he said that he has lots of stories of when they cock the shotgun, the guy leaves. Yeah. Not in front of you. He's like around the corner. You don't have a gun. No, I've heard that. I've heard that. That's why it's one of the best is literally just because the fear of like, you know, they know, like an intruder knows that too. If I'm an intruder and I'm, and I'm carrying a nine millimeter, like the thing I would be worried about is that someone carrying a shotgun. Do you guys have a buddy? I think everybody has a buddy like this. Do you guys have a buddy that's like way over prepared to like, what are you doing, bro? You're not going to get as like night vision and you know, just like all the tactical gear of like, dude, when are you ever going to use it? Yeah, your magic is this burglar. He shows up around the corner with night vision. What is the statistics on like what is it and how does it end up? Like the like statistically, does an intruder normally have a gun? Do they normally end up wrestling with the owner? Does it normally turn into a knife type of fight? Does it normally turn into just a physical altercation? It's rare that an intruder will break in when you're home. It's very rare. Yeah, that would be a doubt. And then when they do, how often do they create the confrontation? They usually leave. They usually want to get out. They don't want to get caught. So if you're getting attacked, that's part of what they want to do. They're there to attack. They've been stalking you to attack you basically. But it's rare. It's actually quite rare. Usually they go in when you're not home. You know that most common time, because everybody thinks at night, everyone's going to break in my house at night. It's not middle of the day. Yeah. Is that true? Yes. Really? Because everybody's at work. Yeah, that's the thing. Like you just got to pay attention to people that are constantly kind of driving around your neighborhood. Because a lot of times they'll just be there scouting, picking up patterns so that way they know, like when you leave for work. And we're pretty predictable. Well, so where are my businesses? Well, we make it so obvious now with apps. Yeah. You check into a restaurant across town and you're done. You look at your Facebook? Yeah. When I, where my business was in Los Gatos, this is a very wealthy part of the Bay Area. Like one of the richer towns. That's where I had my wellness studio. There was a period of time there where there was this like rash of home burglars. And these are like really nice, super wealthy neighborhoods. And it was like a, it was like a gang. And they'd scope out these houses. They'd figure out when people weren't home. They'd know where to look and what to get or whatever. And there was like four or five of these break-ins that happened within like a year period. It was like a big deal on the town back then. What was that documentary that just went out with the two kids that were robbing all the famous people and stuff like that up on the Hollywood Hills? Was it like Paris Hilton or? Yeah, they were hitting Paris Hilton. I brought that up on the show and I loved talking about that. That was like, that was super interesting to me too, that they were like, they got away with that for like years. Yeah. Because they would just do like one item at a time. Yes. And just, real expensive, but they just didn't feel it because they were so... They thought they lost it. They thought they paid attention. Yeah, they thought they lost it because it was like, oh, she'd come home in her purse at thousands of dollars with that. It's cash. And so they just... She doesn't even keep track. Yeah. They were disciplined. She had like a safe full of like, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars of jewelry, but they knew better than to take all of it and they would just pluck... One or two things. Yeah, one or two things of value and just keep getting it out of there. And they just, they got away with it forever. You know what that reminds me of? Do you guys remember that plot? That's the bling ring. Oh, the bling ring. By the way, the one I talked about where the girl got caught smuggling, the drugs was called Hi. That's a great... Hi. Yeah, great job. Do you guys remember that plot and remember that plot? I think it was Superman 2 or 3. I remember where there was like a computer program that would take like fractions of a cent of each transaction. Oh, yeah. That was also an office space. Yes. That doesn't say that was another movie. Except to fuck up with the decimal point. Oh, shit. He fucked up the math, right? Is that what he did? He meant he fucked up the decimal point. I love that movie so much. Oh, that's such a good movie. He's like, oh, shit. He waged up the next day. I'm gonna be somebody's bitch. So good. All right, we're supposed to mention Felix Gray in today's episode. I do want to say one downside to Felix Gray. I don't know if you guys have noticed this. Do you guys ever put them on at night to watch a movie and you can't finish the movie because you start to fall asleep? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one thing. It makes you tired. OK, so that's why I have... So they have their day time and they have their night time. And there is a clear, which is folk. So, and I actually can... It's kind of timing outright. So I can see the day or like, I don't know if you guys do this now because I actually have like three or four pairs and I have the days and the nights. And I have the same frame in the same style in these two. And sometimes I make the mistake and I put the night time ones on because unless you like really look at the lenses, it's hard to tell because they're not colored or anything like that. But I do notice if you go back and forth, you can see a difference. And so there's something that that night time is thicker. And so even when I'm watching TV, it has a different... Like my eyes receive it differently. And if I got them on for 30 minutes at night, like nine, 10 o'clock at night, it'll make me drowsy. That's it. 30 minutes. I timed it. It's 30 to 40 minutes. Drowsy. And that's it. I only go nine nights. So the day ones block the dangerous blue light but allow some blue light in to keep you invigorated. So use it at work in front of a computer and I can fall asleep. Which is cool because, and this is how I do it, is like, so if I don't want to fall asleep and I'm still working on the computers with that, I'll put the daytime ones on. And it won't make me drowsy and sleepy. Now, if I'm like watching TV to... Sometimes we do this. Like Katrina and I, it's nine, 30, 10 o'clock. And we're like, oh, we're still a little wake. Let's wind down, we'll watch TV. And I really don't care if I start to get drowsy. I'll put the nighttime ones on and then buy like 30 minutes of watching the show. I'm like, great. I can't get past 30 minutes. I start, oh, that's these glasses. No, they work. It's super effective, for sure. I'm glad you went that route because I was just going to say, you don't have to have like a man bun to wear to feel it's great. Which is great to get the benefit. Why would you need them glasses? Usually that's what you get. Oh, my God. Always. They're going to use that commercial on their advertising. No man, no man buns required. Hey, check this out. This company we'll work with called Bioptimizers. They have great products and supplements. One of my favorites is their MassSimes digestive enzymes. You take them when you eat to help you digest your food and assimilate more amino acids from your protein, essential fatty acids from your fats and turn your carbohydrates into energy. But they have many other products and from November 1st, excuse me, from November 21st to the 28th, you can get all of their best in class products for 25% off. It's their Black Friday sale. Go check it out. Go to bioptimizers.com. That's B-I-O-P-T-I-M-I-Z-E-R-S.com forward slash mind pump. Then use code mindpump10 during that period of time. Again, remember 21st to the 28th of November for 25% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Jason Snurb, our overhead farmer walks worth incorporating into my workout. I feel like that's a made up last week. Snurb. All right. I wanted to say. What program did we do that in? Did we do that in performance or did we do that in strong? We did it in performance. So first off, overhead holds, isometric holds are extremely valuable. They're extremely valuable for stability and function. So it really makes you stronger in that particular position of a range of motion. And range, strength and control. Yeah, but talk about the why that is in comparison to many other, because we, okay, in range of motion strength is important for all, muscles and joints, okay? But in particular, that one is even more valuable in my opinion, because of how many people lose the ability to even extend their arm up next to their ear and above their head. And a lot of people when they do overhead presses don't hold that top position very long, don't fully extend. Can't even do it. They can't even do it. We actually had body, but we had like a high level pro Z competitor. Yeah, do some exercises for some of our videos. He had a tough time full extended because he never trains in that particular way. Now from a muscle development standpoint, anytime you make, anytime you address a weakness in a particular muscle's ability to contract or have strength, you're gonna see improvements. And that's an area, I had tremendous benefit from doing this. This is when I first met you guys and Justin. I think we all worked out together and he had us do these overhead kettlebell carries. And I was really bad at them. I found, I was like, my God, I'm really fatiguing. So I incorporated it in my shoulder workout. I would do like one set. And my overhead presses got stronger. My shoulders got way more developed. I got more stability. So I think it's super valuable. It doesn't cause a lot of damage either. So it's really cool. You can just add it to your workout and not cause too much damage to the body. Well, there's value to different methods of training, but I feel like strength athletes, like really, this is something that is massively beneficial in terms of like compartmentalizing different parts of movements and lifts and really focusing in on some of those weak points. And so having that extended range of motion that's a lot of times like you had mentioned, like people don't go to that full extension. And for some reason out there too, it's some people are afraid to do that thinking that it's gonna be hard on their joints and bad for their joints. I'm glad you said that. They'll say it's the elbows, right? Oh, I protect my elbows. You don't straighten your arm out and lock it so that it rests on the elbow joint. You have to maintain tension. Tension, muscle tension. Yeah, so you don't set it on the joint. That's where you could cause problems. You have to hold it up there. So it's definitely, there's definitely, you know, technique to it and being able to learn how to pack your shoulder correctly. So that way you distribute the force appropriately so it doesn't sit and rest in the joints of the shoulder and the elbow. So yeah, so it's, I mean, in terms of all of that, you see that that then translate when you go to do an overhead press with a barbell, like how much more strength is now applied because you don't have any of that instability or uncertainty that's feedback bringing it back to where like you start losing force production. So if you don't feel like you're familiar with that portion of the exercise, you lose a bit of force. So I would do these to start my workout. So if someone's asking if you don't have maps performance, you're not following one of our programs and you want to program it into your program, it would be like a primer for me. I would do, you know, one to two walks back and forth. Have you ever done it at the end? I have, but why? I got a crazy pump when I do it there. So why I like it before though, especially if I'm doing a full body routine or I'm definitely doing upper body stuff, when I get into my shoulder pressing and my chest, waking up all those stability muscles in the joint have served me time and time again in bench pressing. Like for me, bench pressing, it's really common to feel like a little bit of quick clicking or just my shoulders not staying packed and down. And when you do that exercise to prime and warm up, it really wakes up the shoulder and all the stabilizers in the shoulder. So then when I go in to do like a heavy loaded bench, I feel very locked in and secure. Whereas if I don't prime that really well, then I don't feel that. So I like it personally. Now someone may ask, well, why the walking? Why the farmer walk? Why not just hold it in place? You can just hold it in place. You don't have to walk, but walking adds an element of instability because you're moving, you have to stabilize the walk. Weight shifts on you, yeah. Yeah, so I would say like a regression would be just to hold over your head and stand there. And then to make it a little bit more advanced and challenging would be to walk with an overhead hold. So I prefer the walking personally. Yeah, and also too it really like emphasizes your core stability and control with your lower back. Cause like what we're doing is that's a weak point. It's a massive weak point for anybody that's doing an overhead press. And so this is a way to address that in a more challenging environment. Another reason why I love it as a primer is doing it first because you also have to stabilize in your spine and draw on your core. And that's such a huge element to being good at bench pressing and overhead pressing is getting that all to work synergistically is to be able to brace your core like that, pack your shoulder in that position and then press. That primes that really well by doing that. So it sets you up to bench and overhead press really well. Next question is from Halo2 made him nauseous. What's the value of smelling salts? Are they dangerous? You guys don't have a ton of experience with them, right? Just a little bit. Comment on this name. You know that actually happened to me. I think it was Halo2. Did I talk about that on the podcast? Oh yeah, that's when you stopped playing, right? Is that like a jab at me right there? I don't even, yeah. So I stopped playing video games around Halo2 because it made me nauseous. It made me dizzy. And so I no longer- Oh wow, I wonder if he's fucking with me too. I don't know, I jumpy. I can't remember if I brought that up on the show you did. Did I? Years ago, I talked about that because I used to play video games all the time. That would be a hilarious, that's a nod. That would be funny. Yeah, I'd stop playing video games because I would get nauseous because of the one player spinner out, I wonder. So you guys have some experience, have you used it before this? Oh, I PR'd using the smelling salts for bench. So it was weird because I hadn't done it before and I was feeling good that day and I felt like I already got like a bit of a PR and my friend was just like, you know, I feel like you have more. I feel like, I'm like, what are you talking about? Like I just totally expanded all my energy in this. And so he cracked open one and he was like, I want you to hit it right after this. And so I did, whoa, the powerful, it was like the most powerful ammonia, like just got the hairs on my arms, like stood straight up. And it was this weird, like it almost felt like when you see in the movies, like your pupils just like, boop, like everything dilated and ready to go. And it was like a super focused lift and that's really how I could describe it. So I tried to look up studies to see if there's studies on it and it does. To support it. It does boost one rep max strength. Of course. It's a physiological stimuli. So it's like, it sets off your CNS a little bit because it's very, it's a strong hit. Like you smell it and it's not a drug. So it doesn't have like drug-like effects but because it's got this kind of irritating effect in the nasal passages, it accelerates heart rate and makes someone feel like they're more aroused. Right? Well, they used to use them to wake people up that were knocked out, right? Yeah. Like it's just, you know that they talk about like being very careful to use these. So they used to do some sports when people get a concussion. They'd get a concussion. They'd have them do smell and smell. Let's go out there and play. Oh my God. It just masks the problem. That's what they said. This is very dangerous because it could mask the issues. I mean, I throw in the category of squat shoes, belts. No, it's way less useful than those things. Smelling salts. Oh, you don't want to use it all the time. That's my point. I can't imagine it being good. It's like way down below your brain. That's my point. I throw it in the category of tools like that that I definitely feel, I've hit PRs using smelling salts but I don't want to get in the habit of having to use a smelling salt every time I go to lift heavy in the gym. Same as I don't want to get in the habit of having to use a belt or use a strap every single time I lift heavy in the gym. So I think it's a fun tool to play with to get a little more out of the lift every once in a while but something that you do not want to find like that's part of my routine every time I squat. I wouldn't program it. I would just use it for fun. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. So, and that's what I mean by putting it. It doesn't mean that I mean that salts will get you more than a belt on the lift. Who the hell uses smelling salts every time they work out? There's guys that do that. Power lifters. Well, even power lifters, you know why they shouldn't use it every time? You want to save its efficacy for your max lifts. I use smelling salts, so I use it the most. I've seen guys use it every time for their top-end set. Every workout? Yes, every end on their top-end set. It's in their bag and when they get to the top-end it's that last year. I use smelling salts probably at the most once a month, at the absolute most. We should do it one time before podcasts. It doesn't last very long. So you know what I used to do at work. So the very first time I discovered smelling salts I was a 20-year-old general manager and we had it in our first aid kit. And I'm like, oh, I've never used these before. And I cracked one and I'm like, holy shit. So what I used to do is I'd sneak up behind my salespeople or my trainers, I'd crack it and then I'd put it in front of their nose. No, you didn't. Oh, you dick. Ah! That's a dick. Dude, it's so powerful. Even if you're like somewhat close proximity. How far do you think it travels? Oh, you get it. I've had people do that to me. Yeah, quite a ways. Now, have you guys tried the power lifter grade? Because the ones we use are the ones like Juju Mufu makes one, I guess. The nose pork or whatever. Yeah, I've tried both. Oh, yeah. They're gnarly. There's ones where I could crack it here and you will feel it. Knock me on my ass. Yeah, and then there's other ones where you have to kind of get a little bit closer just to even get a hit from it. Yeah, but it's not, I guess you could play with them. It's a cool toy. But it's not a workout toy. I mean, you're not okay with that analogy that I'm giving as far as putting in the category of... I would put it so far down. I can't think of anything that's... So you're understanding this incorrectly. This is not me comparing which ones give you the biggest results. It's how I would utilize it. It's your fun bag. Yeah, it's in my bag of stuff. Am I anti-belt? No, I got a belt. I have a strap. I have used those things. But it's like, I also don't want to get in the habit of using that on a regular basis. But having them in there every once in a while to go rip out an extra 50 pounds that I would have. Chocks cool. It's gonna be more useful, for sure. And also okay to use every time. Hey, hold on real quick. You said an extra 50 pounds. You're not gonna get an extra 50 pounds of smelling salts. It's not gonna make you lift 50 more pounds. I'm saying in the category of all those things, the belt. I just wanna say that because I know someone's listening. What do you think it would produce? Oh, maybe 10? Maybe, no, not even. I think I could get like a couple percent, maybe more out of my body. Well, a couple percent on 500 pounds. On your very top lift. Yeah, like five pounds maybe. I mean, I can stack myself up to the same amount. Well, what's 3% of 500 pounds? No, 1%. A math guy over here. You know what I'm saying? It's like fine out numbers that are just countering what you're pointing. It's like, that's exactly what I think you get. I think you get 10, 15 pounds on, yeah. I don't know. On a squat? I'm gonna tell you right now, anybody watching or listening to this, they're gonna be disappointed. They're gonna use it and they're gonna go lift and they're gonna be like, well, that wasn't 10 pounds more. Well, okay, here's the thing. It's not gonna counter shitting items, rest, bad look. But if you're fed and you're primed for a good workout and then you throw that on there, you're gonna hit a PR. I mean, I hit a PR, I hit PRs on it. So it's still, my best, did left my best squat. I hit smelling salts. So it helped for sure. I also had a belt and other things too. So, I mean, we're splitting hairs, arguing over how many pounds it's gonna get. I'm trying to find the specific study to see what the performance increase was. It was enough for them to say it has some effect, but there's still a debate as to whether or not. You know what, I mean, you know, it's one that I haven't really formally tested that now that we have this cold plunge, I tell you what, I had some of my best workouts when we were messing with the cryo therapy and then I go into a lift. And the way I feel when I get out of that cold plunge, boy, I tell you what, it's better than any 400 milligram caffeine pre-workout I've ever taken. It feels that good. And the way your body feels from it, the whole body, not just like you being amped up energy-wise. So it'd be interesting to test that to see what you can get out from it. Next question is from Ionic. Senior, what is the best midnight snack if you absolutely can't help yourself? Midnight snack, the best. So this question's tough for me because what do you mean you can't help yourself? And why are you waking up in the middle of the night? It's some beef sticks. Hungry. That's what I do. Well, what that tells me, if you're waking up in the middle of the night starving or hungry to the point where you can't help yourself. You didn't eat enough. Yeah, you're not eating enough the day of. Well, okay, I have a lot of thoughts around this. So first of all, if it fits in your calories and macros and it's okay, then eat it. If it doesn't and that's gonna put you over, well then welcome to dieting. That's, you're hungry. That's part of it. Have you guys ever woke up in the middle of the night so hungry? Maybe when you were competing. Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. I eat like two peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the middle of the night and do crazy stuff. Really? Yeah, yeah. I've never done that. But I mean, I was a monster though. You know what I'm saying? I was fricking 230 something pounds and I had 200 something pounds of lean mass only. I was eating 5,000 calories. So 200 peanut butter, two peanut butter jelly sandwiches for me is like some little 115 pound girl out taking a bite of beef jerky. It's like the same thing, you know? So yeah, I mean, if it fits in your macros for your goal, then whether you eat it at midnight or eat at 9 p.m. or 6 p.m. really doesn't matter. Now, if the snack would put you over your calories and your goal is weight loss, well again, like I say, welcome to dieting. I mean, that's, it's this idea that we have around. Like I can never feel hungry. Yes. Like can I eat in a way that I never feel hungry and get the body I want to get super lean and stuff like that? No, if you were going to restrict the body of calories in a place. You're supposed to feel hungry. Yes, and you've been, and you've been someone who's been overeating for an extended period of your life, whether that be weeks, months, years of your life. And now you're going to start to try and live in a caloric deficit. One of the things is learning to become more comfortable in that state. And it's like, you're not going to die. You're not going to starve overnight. You're not going to lose all kinds of muscle, but learning to become comfortable that many times a glass of water will fix it. Yeah, so what you're talking about is your relationship with the feeling of being hungry because you can feel hungry or you can have the signals of hunger and then it's a relationship to it. And I noticed just through training people that there's some people that have such a poor relationship with the feeling of hunger that they say this, I couldn't help myself. They're so impulsive around it. So that's an issue you need to work through yourself. But by the way, there's some- You know I used to tell clients, you know I used to tell clients and I know there's a bunch of science nerds that are going to get all butthurt about this but I don't give a shit to help my clients out. I used to tell my clients, that is our body switching over and metabolizing fat when you feel that. So when you feel that. When you're helping them get that, like accept the feeling. Well that was really what I was playing. I was playing the psychological. You're training it differently. I was, I was like, so man, when you get that feeling, I mean you could go jump up and go feed it but now your body's now gonna use that sugar. I used to say the same thing. As fuel and so you're no longer reaping the benefits but when you're laying in bed and you have that hunger feeling, you're feeling what's happening right now, your body's shifting over to metabolizing fat to get you through the night. So yeah, you can get up and go have an healthy snack but now it's gonna utilize that healthy snack instead of utilizing the extra body fat. I guess the other angle I just kind of want to address with this question is in terms of like your quality of sleep. You hit the nail on the head. So what are we doing in a sense of like, what am I accomplishing by now feeding myself which then interrupts my sleep, which then all the recovery and all the benefits happen if you, you know, maximize your sleep. So I would, that would be my concern in terms of it waking me up versus me then having to address that earlier to make sure that I'm preparing myself better. You hit the nail on the head. It's not just calories and macros. Eating in between sleep has other far reaching effects that are negative. Like your digestive system also has a circadian rhythm. So you could wake up and have bright light. That tells you to bring the sun. There's also different scenarios on how you're gonna, how we're gonna approach this. Okay, I'm coaching right now on my sister-in-law and I'm looking at her nutrition last night. She grossly under eats protein every single day and she only eats like 1,100 calories. If she told me, this was her calling in and she's like, hey, it's the middle of night and I'm getting, I'm hungry. And I see she's eating 1,000 calories a day. She's hitting 70 to 80 grams of protein every day. I'm gonna tell her I'd rather, I want her to eat because she's grossly under consuming. Yeah, but you're gonna say something like, okay, now I'm moving forward. Let's have you eat more during the day. Well, of course. Of course. Right, because here's what happens. Yeah, you eat in the middle of the night. Now what you've done is you've disrupted your, the beneficial recovery hormones. Your circadian rhythm now says we need to be awake because your digestive system also influences your circadian rhythm. You've got worse sleep. Then ghrelin is higher the day after, meaning cravings are even higher because you had poor sleep. So although you might've satisfied your appetite in the middle of the night, you've actually made it harder for yourself the day after. This is like a lose, lose, lose situation. Really what you need to do if this is you is you need to figure out what the hell is happening during the day to make it so that you wake up in the night so damn hungry and fix that because this is not a good solution. I agree 100% agree with that. 100% this is not a like, oh, just there's a snack that we're all going to say, oh, this is a great midnight snack that you should eat. It's like you should address your potential deficit or your lack of nutrients that you might not be getting and you should be having it earlier today. If you're getting what you need and you're just hungry because you're low calorie because you're dieting and it's not abnormally low, right? It's not like my sister-in-law who's eating 1,000 calories. If you're at 2,400 calories and that's a deficit for you and you're losing body fat and you wake up hungry, well, welcome to the club. That's what happens. I mean, you get hungry when you're low calorie and you're used to eating the body 3,500 all the time. Next question is from Sandy Toes 7. I'm doing maps anabolic now. Please explain why rest between sets is important. After doing boot camp style workouts where rest periods are somewhat active between circuits, I'm not sure what rest truly means. Do I sit and do nothing or move around a bit? What's the goal? This is a new listener for sure. This is common question. So I'm gonna say something that might sound controversial but it actually is very true. What makes strength training, strength training or what makes resistance training, resistance training is not the weights. It's not that you're lifting something heavy. It's the rest periods. The rest periods is what makes it strength training. So much that I'm gonna go out and tell this person that was running this boot camp. You know what you, all you were really doing was cardio. Cardio with weights. It's just a bunch of cardio with different pieces of equipment. You were not resting and you were doing act what they would call active resting where your boot camp instructor had you doing jumping jacks before you got ready for your next circuit of weights that you're gonna do and then you did ropes and then that's how you did it. You were doing cardio. That's all you're doing. You're getting mostly the benefits from cardio very, very minimal to no benefit for lifting weights. You may as well just done jumping jacks or whip the rope around for the entire hour. And I'll say this, the vast majority of these that I see, you can insert whatever exercise you want in their circuit. It doesn't matter. They use a bunch of different things and make you feel like you're doing a bunch of cool stuff. It's 100% the only real benefits you are getting from those is the calorie burn and the stamina and the stamina building. That is it. That's all you're getting for training now. So here's why you rest, right? So there's different types of energies that you use while you exercise. The first type of energy is what's called ATP. So ATP is it burns hot, but it burns very quickly. So that's what you get when you do explosive movements like a sprint or you do things like strength training. Once that's burned up, then you move on to glycogen which is this, it doesn't burn as hot. It doesn't burn as fast. It lasts a long time. And that's the kind of muscle energy you get when you do like long distance running or when I'm doing like 100 reps of squats or 100 reps of curls or I'm doing circuit training. The energy system that you target is what gets your body to adapt in a particular way. If I train my ATP system, I'm gonna build muscle. If I train for glycogen to burn lots of glycogen and stamina, I'm not gonna build lots of muscle and strength. I'll just get lots of stamina. If you're not resting in between sets, you're not doing strength training. Even though you feel like, oh my God, what am I doing? I'm just sitting here. That's what makes it strength training. That's what makes it build muscle. That's what makes it speed up your metabolism. The question was, what do I do with the rest periods? Nothing. Yeah. You do nothing. You sit there. If you really have to do something, read. But don't do anything physical because what you want is you wanna replenish the very hot burning but fast burning ATP stores which takes about 60 seconds up to maybe three minutes or four minutes. Yeah, 90 seconds. Yeah, let it replenish and then go train it again and build strength and build muscle. Otherwise, you're not doing strength training. And it's true, right? It's the rest periods that makes it strength training. It's not even the exercises. Yeah, it's just so funny because this is a very, very difficult one to pound in that kind of a person's head because it feels like, well, the workout's worthless now because I'm just sitting here and then shifting the mindset of also being able to really try to ramp up so they address their weight lifting and actually push themselves to full exertion in their weight training is a completely different mindset instead of just moving weights and moving, moving, moving and feeling busy. So this is definitely a challenging one but it's just funny because we haven't had that type of a question in a while and this is still very calming. I can picture this woman. I had so many clients like her. I'm gonna guess, Sandy, that first off that you're a woman and that you're probably late 30s, mid 40s. Your kids are old enough now, so now you're going to the gym and you are super busy, do everything all the time and you like to sweat a lot and get real sore in your workout. That's a very typical thing. And you love class settings. You love class settings. This is the group training right there. And then you can't figure out why your results suck so bad, like why you have to try so hard and why you have to eat so little and why it just doesn't seem like your body wants to respond. This is why. If you want your body to respond, do what we say, which is build strength, build muscle, boost your metabolism. The workouts are gonna feel totally different. It doesn't feel like a cardio workout. You're not gonna be sweating and out of breath but you will get muscular fatigue. You will notice that your muscles will start to shape and build. Well, she's running maps out of golf now. Don't be afraid, increasing load. Get strong. Yeah, that's the focus. Absolutely. Look, if you like mind pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps, if you compared that person to a person who did a bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of let's say 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw in some supersets. At the end of that year, you're gonna see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out. And less injury, that's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.