 Greetings. Hi, how are you? How are you doing? Okay, so sorry about the thing I had to actually download. I did go into Skype because it deleted it from mine. And your Zoom link was not working, so sorry about that. It's technology, yeah. Of course. You know, how's it like, yeah. So I went through the good party slides. That is your website. There's a Google slideshow right now. Sure, sure. Pretty cool ideas. So, yeah, I was going to walk you through and then maybe show you the interface that I'm building for the app itself. But yeah, I guess any thoughts about it overall? Because sometimes the slides don't maybe get all the color. Essentially, I mean, you know, the idea is to bring about a third of a political party that isn't like any of the parties that we have here in the US. And I see this idea of no wasted votes is very important so that you don't get in the lesser of too evil type of situation with the two existing parties. And we have a mechanism that I can show you. It's basically a Kickstarter type interface for every district where everyone is kind of pledging to the good party if everybody else can get enough consensus to win. And then the idea of sneaking up on the system and exploding, kind of how Donald Trump took over the red party here, whereas Bernie couldn't do it on the blue side. And the system could not resist the populist kind of uprising of Trump. So that piece of the puzzle will, you know, I hope to effectuate through the right invoked. And I don't know if that, I don't make it very clear on the presentation. But the right invoked is a mechanism that basically is still in effect in 42 of the 50 states in the United States. So it means that if you don't like the votes for either of the candidates that are any of the candidates, you could write in your own vote. Right now it's really being used mostly as a, you know, Donald Duck, Daffy Duck, you know, kind of like, you know, a joke of mostly. But I think by having the consensus being built behind the scenes, it could be a very spectacular way to win an election here. And the spectacularness of it brings about media attention, the media attention, and hopefully not just one place, but maybe four or five. You know, I'm saying 1% by 2020. So if we can get that type of, I think suddenly have one delegate in Delaware and one delegate in representative in Kansas and one in, you know, Alabama. These are going to be very ordinary people. They're, but they're going to be very different from each other and very similar in the technique in the sense that they're going to be looking at the will of the people for their position. Their positions and the next steps that they take. I wonder if I can screencast something here? Yeah, certainly, certainly. There's a plus. And then it says screen share. Audio video settings. I'm using the one in the browser right now. Okay. I've never used them. I deleted Skype off of my system. Sure. I mean, I mean, I can, I can start a Zoom conversation and pace here. Would it be possible for you to click into my zoom or that? Yeah, of course. Yeah, that works too. I think. So yeah, I sent you an email zoom.thegoodparty.org will bring you into my zoom. So let's let's switch over to zoom. Zoom.goodparty. The good party. Okay. It's very interesting. Yeah, let me just make sure that it actually works before disconnecting. Sure. Hello. Okay, it's recording to the cloud. Are we good? Did somebody else just join us? No, not at all. Okay. All right. So, and you're seeing my desktop here. Okay. Yeah. So let me just make sure that I covered everything that I wanted to cover here. The founding assumptions are relatively straightforward. The full transparency piece is a piece that needs a little bit of technology here, but I'm curious to see how you're doing it there. But I believe that this will be both obviously useful, but for the first wave of people who go in there. There will also be incredibly interesting information to be transmitting out of the halls of the US Congress. So when these freshmen type candidates with no agenda are kind of broadcasting back exactly what's happening. I think it'll be very exciting for people to see that and you can and the outreach. And you're seeing it a little bit with actually the candidate Cortez right now, where she's saying like, you know, things and, you know, so it's okay to just write people and you are like, wow, that's amazing, you know, so I think we have that opportunity there too. Let me grant access to. First time I've seen this. But anyway, would like to control my computer. Computer. Why not? What could go wrong? Could possibly go wrong. Yeah, I didn't. It's fine. Allow or deny. Okay, so let me see if I can, I can do this screencast. Sure. Okay, so. Right. Oh, by the way, my background, I don't know if you had a chance to. Yeah, I've read about, yeah, you're looking for fine. I've done a few things in ratings, a few things in that program was pretty successful. Actually, it very successful, but in the wrong way, it kind of ran out of my hands now tick tock. Yeah. Or like that. You know, it's, it's unfortunately our capitalism takes it does weird stuff. Let me, let me. In, in, in Taipei City Council, the Taipei City people just elected one of the most popular vloggers into the city council. So there's some good in V logs as well. Yeah, he actually, before the campaign went to the house registration office and changed his name to counselor. He started a kickoff progress bar Kickstarter kind of saying to make sure that there's sufficient amount of votes and the MP held his voted in and it's been live streaming, like everything. There's some. How's that working out is it. Yeah, his handle is froggy. So easy to remember, but now. But yeah, my, my, my innovation there or help there with a negotiated all the music rights, you know, companies so it would help with that. Okay, so here we go with a good party. I'll just walk you through the app and then we can show you. So that I'm, you know, the magic we hear your vote to be here in detail like the one of us going to represent us with full transparency. Hopefully a lot of people fight like that, and say not no thanks but yes show me how we figure out where they are. This district is your district or you registered to vote if you're not it registers you to vote. If you are, it goes in here. Here you have your little dashboard where it shows you how many people have pledged for the good party, and how many votes are needed to win the district. On this left side this was where Glenn and I discussed sort of quadratic voting stuff but really it's sort of what are the issues that are important to you and the the representative will be will be paying attention to these. There's a variety of mechanisms that that I have in mind, but a little more to do to which you can lay for this this short conversation but how to get the will of the people in a less temperable way. Initially, of course, is going to be all centralized and, you know, hopefully I'm not corrupt and we're not tampering with it, but very soon after has to be decentralized and set up that's where can be done. And then here you just take a good party pledge once you pledge. It goes into a social media thing to share to other people. And so the idea here is that either as the election is coming close, you have enough votes or you don't. If you don't, you kind of actually there was a new idea somebody gave that you match them with the closest thread or blue that matches with what the people are. But essentially you don't waste their vote. Otherwise, when you if it goes over here now what happens is you you actually go into what I call primary mode, primary mode, you now say, okay, you make them, you know, confirm their pledge again, because you know you want to make sure that they're going to go through. So we're going to change the face of democracy. If you can agree to write in this this vote for the candidate, and we're going to now find a candidate because it's worth, you know, we know we're going to win. Now one of us is going to lead us for this term. And so you have a nice funnel random random selection. You could initially put some handpick people in as well. But essentially it should be a random selection of people who are called into office, not people who are necessarily themselves. And so you put them through a funnel that says, you know, you would you be like to be considered as a candidate, you know, to tell me more what does that mean. At any point, you know, as they're going through this funnel which becomes it's a little arduous to go through it all. They can opt out. They can say, you know, it is not for me. They opt out and pick another person, you know, will have like 290,000 people, you know, to choose from. So it's not that complicated. And you're going to do this once in your lifetime, because we're looking for sort of power sharing. We're not looking for career politicians here. So, you know, you put them through a sequence of things. Are you qualified, you know, are you are you, you know, legally qualified, you know, citizen, whatever the requirements are. Are you, you know, are willing to be transparent, you know, are you are you willing not to accept any lobby gifts. Are you are you articulate, you know, can you write, you know, your ideas of why you would be a good candidate. You write well, can you present yourself visually and, you know, coherently in a conversation, etc. And all the way down, would you be open to showing your finances to everybody, etc. At the end of it, what I'm hoping is all we need is a credible and capable person, you know, good person. So, you know, I think there are lots of people will be will be that initially, you know, I think power corrupts, but it doesn't corrupt the instantly. It takes some time to get there. So it's kind of like a jury system. You take somebody off the street, qualify them in some ways, and then they serve for a term, you know, and their only job is really to work the will of the people. So, to enact the will of the people as best as their position. So you want the questions you have to ask. So of course is on all these hot button issues. Can you agree to, you know, vote against your position if it's the will of the people, you know, and so so that's that so that's essentially sort of the core of it and then what will hopefully happen. You know, the idea here for us is, you know, if the goal is 1% by by by thing, if you if you think about the dynamics of how these elections are happening, red and blue are going to be dominating the news cycle and everything else. And suddenly we have we take the color white, white, this is red, white and blue in the United States. The Green Party has no shot. I'm Iranian. They have a shot in Iran. They don't have a shot. There's none on the fly, you know, but you take the red and blue are dominating the news cycle and now suddenly a right in vote, hopefully in five different districts wins at the same time. This is a media event. And I'm fortunate in the sense that I have a really great filmmaker, this girl, Jehan Nujain, who created an Oscar nominated documentary a couple of years ago called The Square. And she's been wanting to do a good party doc. But I haven't been interested in the doc because I didn't know what the purpose of it would be like. But it came to me that we can a documentary that shows the honest struggle of the people setting the documentary up the application up as an animation. So there's no personalities involved here. And then the five candidates who emerge out of nowhere and are now preparing to go to Congress will make it very, very interesting. I think I study a new way of doing things and I think it can kind of culminate with the marketing kicks in when the wins happen and these people, or ordinary people are now suddenly presented to the population through something like Netflix, which is incredibly good at distributing this stuff to a wide audience. I think you have an ability to really go 1%, 10%, you know, and in two election cycles and really do something interesting, you know, so that's sort of hidden in a nutshell. All right, so thank you for a very clear presentation. This thought line of thought has been practiced many places in Europe and I'm happy to see a kind of counterparty in the US. In Iceland, it was caused the best party. So you're more humble, I guess. I think it's like a good party, you know, everybody likes it. That's right. That's too overachieving for America. That's right. That's right. And in Taiwan, this kind of citizen-led forces are also called the white forces, so the same color. And so, yeah, I'm very familiar with the idea. Now, a few questions around that app. So it's all right at the first stage, so you don't actually have a political party, right? What do you mean by that? No, you have, yeah, you still register your political party. The good party already has registered, since 2013 it's been registered in California, as an example. But you don't field candidates unless you're going to win. Yeah, so there's different registration rules. I have actually an intern who's kind of putting together the exact rules. Essentially, there's 10 states in America where you can just walk in the last day with no registration. So those are really nice candidates for the first. There are 32 other states, California being one of them, where there are various types of constraints. Usually it's about registration. You have to register the name with the election commission about one month or so before the election. So that's not a very hard hurdle. California is a little bit worse. In 2009, California eliminated the right-in vote on the election. You can only have it in the first primary. So it's not a good candidate, unfortunately, in California for doing this as one of the first states. Although it's actually pretty easy to go into some districts in California where there's a very dominant player, like the one that I described through District 13. It only would take 24,000 votes to actually be the second place position in that lady's district. So you could get on to the ballot as a good party, but then for the six months later in the November election, it would have to be a thing. I'm not a politically savvy person. I'm a long technologist. But it may be an interesting avenue to actually try to take California because you could, in some of these places, really put a candidate on the ballot and kick out the red or blue, depending on where you're going, and make it a media event right there because people would be surprised that white came in and took one. And that would fuel maybe the accelerated kind of attention for other places and push other right-in states over for the real elections because you probably wouldn't beat the person like this lady who had like 93% of the voter, 95% of the voter, or something in her district, her challenges are very weak. So it's to be determined how it plays out in different places. And one of the things that I'm sort of looking for and not an expert in right now are sort of political strategists and experts, people who have been in the system but are not part of the system. So they're kind of trying to do the best they can and franchise by it, but understand it really, really well. So I have to find somebody. All right. And then the second, so I have three questions. Thank you for the first one. The second one is that you said that, you know, the person who serve as kind of a jury duty as the representative need to abide by the political will of people in the district. But on the app, you show kind of a signalling of positions on various issues. Now, QV or not, those were positions before the election and those positions change. Absolutely. And so is it a kind of continuous? Absolutely, kind of thing like they, they shaped conversations if people manage to come on a shared value, despite their different initial positions, they then they represent that instead of. Absolutely right. In fact, somebody brought up an interesting like corner case or maybe it not know who knows, but is that some really strong minority, like let's say there's just fanatics against the portion, you know, really pile into the app and some district and it's not the will of the district, but it's this really, you know, crazy minority that really pushes 98% think, you know, we should, you know, do away with that. You know, people's perspective, reproductive rights or whatever. Okay, so they, you know, they push and they win and the good party candidate gets selected into, into, into represent that district. But what happens next is, of course, they get some media attention and say, ah, well, to my own surprise, I guess I didn't realize that, you know, I have to go like fight against abortion here, but that's I guess what I'm going to do. But now I see broadcast or she broadcast that, that, that statement. Lots of people say, what the hell are you talking about? How can we do this? And the answer is get an app, you know, and, and, and tell us what you think. And so the vocal, crazy fanatics might get somebody elected, but all they're getting elected is somebody who's going to enact the will of the people. So as soon as the people come and change their will, that person changes their position. And that's, that's the whole point here. You know, the idea is to be fluid. And the person is doesn't have a will. They're just capable and credible, you know, an honest sort of representative. They try to do the best they can. Right. That's great. I asked because we've been heavily using AI power conversation from a startup in Seattle called Polis. It's open source that allows people to kind of put their own more eclectic or more nuanced opinions for other people to vote on so that they're not stuck with the original binary choices. And almost always we see a shape that is exactly the consensus statements and the divisive statements. There's like five divisive statements on one side, but actually most people agree on most of the things. It's just those, the most divisive ones get all the attention. And so there's technology once you get a continuous crowd to kind of just get the common, the things that they're commonly considered good, despite their initial difference, polarized opinions. Right. I think Glenn also, is it called Polis? Polis. So just like Polis. Oh, I see. Okay. The website is pol.is. Got it. I'm going to check that out for sure. Yeah. And I think Glenn was saying something as well, which was the second order issue for me and the first order is get some people into office but the second order was, you know, how can these good party people kind of form higher level voting arrangements and blocks where they could, as you say, sort of like become more powerful together and form consensus. So this is kind of places that as well. Yeah, yeah, what I know my question was just saying that you don't over commit to your pre-voting. Not at all. There's no commitment to any of that. That's right. That's right. Okay. So, so the third question being, you mentioned in slide six, a decentralization through blockchain of government functions. What do you actually mean by that? Okay, so there's two parts of this. Well, so, so what's going to happen is the first, you know, we start centralized because I can put this out in within six months, you know, and start to iterate at the MVP and start to figure out what's working, what's not working, etc. And like I said, if I'm a crook and I think forget about this stupid idea or whatever, it's not going to be what I'm at least proposing here. But if I'm not that crook and we put this together, my sense is that when we do get 1% and maybe it's 2020, maybe it's 2022, when we do get that moment of becoming, coming on everyone's radar, I hope it's not your recording going to everybody. But whenever we get to that point, right after that, we're going to come under a very heavy attack. I would imagine from all sorts of different directions where people are trying to influence this platform or take it over or push it into their own for their own purposes. The governance functions that are important here are how does a good party, how do we select candidates, you know, and how is that transparent to everybody so that, you know, you can put in a lobbyist as your candidate somehow or whatever else. How do you vote for issues like what's important, what's not, and we're talking the quadratic voting or whatever voting scheme you have. How do I know that my vote counted and this was the answer. This is the will of the people here. And then, and how do you, how do you really see if the lower sort of the general will of the people is being manipulated in some way that is not actually the will of the people. And I have some ideas around how to do that around sort of independently pulling people, pulling people into for one particular issue, taking 100 sample 100 people, but I call VIPs volunteer information processors, asking them if they will be willing to spend, you know, X amount of time, let's say a day on just marijuana legalization and here's all the information we have. You see where that 100 people end up and if there's a significant discrepancy between that and and what the general will of the people was the one that anyone can contribute to, you know that there's a problem there and how does that get resolved. All of that should be decentralized in a way that cannot be messed with, because all of it will be tried to be messed with, but it won't be mess with initially like initially I should be so lucky that people care, you know, because it's not going to, it's obviously one million stupid ideas that are in the universe and who's you can try to, you know, influence it. So by the time it becomes interesting to, to people to hack, we better have a decentralization policy and be able to let it go. And that the most important point of the whole thing, and it should be built into it from the beginning is it becomes let go into the universe in a way that none of us people that are associated with it can be corrupted by its power. And the system itself cannot be corrupted either. And I was giving the example says, you know, Satoshi has to be, you know, hidden or not known, mostly because he wants the first block, you know, he owns that thing. And that's, that's the very thing. I don't want to own any block. I don't know what I need, but I know I want to create and let it go and have it function well everywhere. You know, there's many places that local and state level in the US can use this as well. Internationally, I mean, I'm Iranian. So I know many different kinds of democracies that are sort of not mock democracies everywhere can use that like this. So it should be decentralized and let go so that so that everyone can use it any which way they want. You know what I'm saying? It's not, it's not a, this is a public service. It's not a, it's not anything else. Does that make sense? Yes, it answered for the resiliency and thank you for that. And I do agree that a good blockchain or as I prefer to call it distributed ledger technology is really good for accountability, not just transparency and resiliency now. But you also mentioned that you want to from day one to make it kind of a toolkit that other democracies can use. And so it, I mean, there's always a tension if you start proprietary software development and you decide at some date or when some condition is satisfied to open source it. I've been through this many times. And so I wonder why not just open source on day one. No, no, that's not, that's not, I'm not a, it's, you know, it's all, we can all have it open source on day one. I just, the development is going to be mostly centralized because there are going to be a lot of people developing for it. Of course, of course. I mean, you can have a policy that's that, you know, I only accept pull request from trusted people like 50 of them. But but but developing in the open, you know, shapes the dynamics such that because there's there's many examples. I talked with like French people, then people in Italy and so on that if you start proprietary was a promise to open source. Most of the time either it doesn't happen. No, I, you know, what's open source is a kind of diluted version of that. Yeah. Yeah, I think I, as I was, as I was reshuffling this to try to put this marketing piece that I thought was very important here. I actually had the initial piece of it open source and then it just got pushed. The open source piece isn't important that the decentralized or the decentralized pieces of it are not maybe even mature enough right now to put in a real distributed ledger solution in here. So I was saying that that piece of it has to be done only when it's going to come under attack. I think a lot of, you know, this development around blockchain and some of the technology that people are building are building for hacking and etc. But none of that is happening right now. So initially, you know, if I'm cheating and I'm lying, I'm trying to put my cousin into office. Okay, so that's the system. But that I'm not doing that. But as soon as it comes under potential for real attack, it needs to be decentralized. The open source should not be there. Okay, that's awesome. And so, yeah, of course, then the debate will start on which open source license to use. I'll just chime in my two cents I always use creative commons zero, which is public domain which is by definition compatible with all licenses anyway. And this is because Taiwan's copyright code already says any work, like if I start writing programs part of my day job, it must be relinquished out of the copyright regime, actually the same for us taxpayer produced products like the NASA imageries and things like that. And so by kind of just position, you know, this is in the public domain on day one, it saves lots of legal troubles afterwards. But of course, other people will argue otherwise. So this is just my two cents. No, I appreciate that. And I really do appreciate. I know, I know we had only from nine to 940. So I appreciate going over a little bit. I want to be in a good time. I feel very fortunate that Glenn connected us a little bit of your time. Do you think that I would be able to ping you from time to time to Of course, of course. I mean, if you're if you're on GitHub or GitLab or whatever. And, you know, list me as one of the VIPs that can comment and create pull requests. Actually, I'll just jump into the development. Okay. Oh, fantastic. I still go day to day. Oh, fantastic. I appreciate that. I'm in the place, a team of place of setting up the team right now I have I'm liquidating some assets that were fortunate. I'm actually waiting for this crazy Chinese company by the dance to go public so I can take my I sold the program to them. Yeah, aware of that. Yeah. But I'm that's going to be in a little bit so so I'm liquidating assets right now to be able to put together enough of the beginning piece of this so that it can have funding and pull the people into it so it's not At that stage yet where I can put you there but I really appreciate that that that you are free to take a look and I contribute would be really an honor to to to get that help from you. Thank you so much. Sure thing. So yeah, let's connect online and if I actually are you based in LA full time now. I'm in Los Angeles full time yet. You're not going to go to Detroit. I heard for this radical thing. Not not not by that date actually but maybe by the end of April, I might actually visit Detroit. This is still being arranged. So maybe yeah, let's just kind of go over email. Yeah, okay. And if you're if you're a Los Angeles, of course, I would love to love to be dinner and lunch. Thank you so much. Alrighty. Thank you so much and send me the recording. Thank you.