 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this heated episode. A little charged. Of the mind pump. We have some good conversation. We were a little stimulated by the news of Alex Jones getting kicked off of like all these social media. It's a little frightening to be honest with you. We're not like super, we're not followers of his. I think he's kind of crazy, but it is interesting. Interesting stuff to speculate on. But we open the episode by talking about the male cheerleaders in the NFL. That's a new thing. I'm so excited for this. It's a new thing going on. Two snaps. The Rams are doing it first. Justin might actually make it to the NFL now. I'm going to try out. You guys watch. We talked about Alex Jones, of course. Surviving social media in certain times. And then there's the I'm Not Racist video by, what's the guy's name, Adam? Joiner. 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Like an angel, just keep doing that, please. He puts like an angel of, let me hear your body talk. Your body talk. Weird today. Talk to me, I feel like, Doug. Talk to my body. Well, a couple of times in the last episode that we recorded, I remember one time I shut off and it just says, I sound different to myself. They sound really good. I don't sound as sharp, I don't know. It sounds like I'm off. You sound fine to me. Do you, okay. You sound good to me too. Is that connected all 100% on your? Oh, I didn't even think about feeling that. Let's see. Push it all the way. I heard a click. I heard a clicky. Hello. Oh, wow. Stereo. It's always something so stupid. I know, I missed. You guys ever do that? You ever call like a, like a, like support? Yeah. And you're like, I've been working on this for fun. Did you turn the machine off and on? I've been working on it for three hours and like just try restarting. It doesn't fuck. And then finally you go do it and it works and you're like, okay, thanks. All right, like it begrudgingly, yeah. You're like hoping for something like CETA to be complex. I need a whole new system. So frustrating. I hate it when technology doesn't work. Yeah. Because it's technology, it's supposed to always work. We've evolved, you know? Like these things just need to automatically work and constantly work. And I'm the kind of person that when something breaks, if I can get along with the rest of my life with it being broken, it's going to stay broken. You know what I mean? If I absolutely don't need it, then it's gonna- Oh, all right, just buy a new one, right? Yeah. Did I ever tell you guys a story like the, so this was an ex-girlfriend, my father-in-law, father who like wanted to show me how to fix my dryer. Have I told you guys this before? No. Okay, so. And we all know, we have already admitted on this show that I'm like not handy at all and like terrible with that. It's just like salad. You're handsy, but not handy. So he was basically speaking Chinese. Like, right. Well, so what happens is, you know, this was at my house, right? And I'm dating his daughter at this time. And I've been with this girl for, I don't know, like maybe six months or so. And he's like a super, a retired fire chief and like super handy guy, right? Like makes everything from scratch, you know? And hunter, fisher, all, man's man totally, right? And he would always be busting my balls and stuff because like I didn't have like a toolkit at my house and I didn't do it, I didn't fix anything, you know? And of course I get it, right? I'm dating your daughter too. So he's like constantly just busting my balls. Like, this guy can't even change his oil. Right, exactly. No, exactly. This guy can't even take care of my daughter, you know? Jiffy loom. So my dryer breaks. And, you know, at this point, I think I had my house but for like seven years and I inherited that washer and dryer and I'm like, oh, it's time for a new one. You know what I'm saying? So I'll get a new one. He's like, are you kidding? It's probably just that. And he just rattled off some part, you know? It's probably just that. And I'm like, well, I don't know how to fix that. And he's like, that's so simple. It'll cost us just a few bucks. It'll be nothing. He's like, Saturday morning, I'll be at your house at eight o'clock and we're gonna, I'm like, fuck it, awesome. Just what I wanna do Saturday morning. So I'm like, of course, begrudgingly, I agree to it, right? And he shows up with his whole toolkit and we get down there and we take apart this fucking dryer. We completely take it apart. This assemble the whole thing. Yes, this assemble the whole thing, which is never as easy as they describe it ever. This is like a three hour process and he's handing me the pieces, you know, like put that over here, put that here. We take it all apart and he says, yep, just what I thought, you know, he's like, we'll be down to Home Depot, we go down to Home Depot, it's 20 bucks, you know, fix it and then put it all back together and we fix it. And I remember the look on his face because it was like this moment of like, I think he wanted to be like, see, you know, you were gonna go buy a thousand dollar fucking dryer. You know what, you would have been like, if I could rewind time, I would have bought it and told you not to come out. 100%. Yeah. Because I go, I just spent eight hours on my Saturday taking apart my whole day. Yeah, it's taking apart a fucking dryer, you know, to save my, I said, my Saturday was worth that to me, you know, it's just so funny. I'm like, that is funny. And yeah, I go through that all the time because like I grew up with, you know, my dad and like, you know, my grandpa's and everybody was like, like they prided themselves on, I built my entire house, you know, myself. Like I didn't have any of them. No, none of my friends came. He had like a friend that came to help like lay down the foundation of cement, but literally every single item in that house was like hand built, you know? And so it's like, I just like can't compete with that. Yeah. So I was always like, but they don't know how to use Google. So they're, Yeah, exactly. There you go. I have access to all the information in the world. Well, you know, and the argument to that is, and I get this side, right? Where it's, yeah, but you need to be able to do some of the most basic things to survive and you should be able to do these things, hunt and cook and like, Right, and it's fix certain things, right? But then you can also evaluate whether it's worth your time. Well, and they go, well, what if everything, what if the internet blew up and we don't have any of these things? Right, we'll be fucked. But here's the thing, the way I look at it too though, like what I think is just as valuable, okay, as learning those skills is also learning how to network with people. But I made friends, man. Exactly. So if shit, if the lights went out. It's good for the economy. If the lights went out, I'm not fucked, man. I've made a lot of friends that can actually build things and fucking fix shit. Here's what you need, if shit goes down, first of all, if the internet explodes, that's a big deal. It's not like, oh, you know, that's a pandemonium. Crazy just happened. Forget learning how to start a fire and, No, get a gun. Yeah, you need a gun. Thank you, Justin. If you have a gun, don't worry. You'll find people that will do shit for you. Hey, man, come here. Oh, you look handy. Start that fire for me. You see what I have here? Yeah. It's your motivation. You're okay with that. That's all you need. Everything else is fine. Hey, dude, what's going on with the NFL right now? Oh, big news, dude. Big news. Are we just male cheerleaders? You got the first female assistant coach on the Raiders. So that was big news this year, right? That is cool. And now we have our first two male cheerleaders. Yeah. For the Rams. For the Rams. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm curious? Are they gonna come out in the skirt with the pom-poms too? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No? Little high booty shorts? Yeah, I thought, I feel like that would be in the uniform coat. No, no, no, they're wearing, they're gonna wear, didn't you guys see the article I sent you? They're wearing like heels and stuff. No, dude, in that cross dress, they're gonna wear shorts, and here's what's happened. I would bet everything on this. So debate me on this, but I bet you anything. The NFL lost ratings because they were forcing people to stand for the anthem, right? They're saying if you don't stand for the anthem, we're gonna find you or whatever. And they got a lot of heat from a lot of people who are saying, oh, you shouldn't do that, you're infringing on the right to whatever. And so they had a big meeting and they sat down and said, okay. How can we divert attention? Who are the people that were pissing off by forcing them to stand? And what can we do to get those people to like us again? Throw it some guys to do cheerleading? I think it's literally a diversion. So you know what happened to us? Because I don't think it's a market demand. I don't know anybody's, I don't know. Yeah, I can't tell you anybody that was yelling to make this happen. No, I don't think so. You know what happened to me yesterday when we went to the game that I thought was interesting, that has never happened to me before, all the games I've been to? We were actually coming into the arena at the same time that the national anthem was being sung. And they actually shut everything down. They stopped lines from moving. Oh, really? And it took me to figure out, like this guy starts, he comes running across where, I mean, there's lines of people that are going through the metal detectors and scanning in, right? We're trying to get in the game so we can make the kickoff, right? Yeah. And dude starts yelling, hold all lines, all, and he's like screaming to hold all lines. All lines are held, then, you know, outside the Niners Stadium, they have like the TV monitors that go all the way around. So the flag comes up and then the national anthem. And then I'm like, I'm looking around because the way the guy was screaming, I thought some shit went down. Like someone got stabbed and they're like, don't let anybody else in, like checking security. I'm like, oh, shit, what's going on? And I'm trying to, the national, and it's like it doesn't even dawn on me. Like the national anthem's going and that's why we stopped. I'm trying, I'm trying to figure out what went down. And then I realized, oh, shit, like they're holding everyone from coming in. Do they normally do that? No, it's never, I've never, ever. I've been in putting games where I've been coming in late. There's a lot more emphasis on this, right? I don't like that, dude. I've been to a lot of games, dude, that's never happened to me. I don't have a problem with people. I've been stopped going to my seat, right? Like if I was about to go down and walk in front of people like during action or something like that, but not the whole arena shut down before you go in. I don't have any problem with people standing. I stand for the anthem. I have no problem with that. I also don't have a problem for people. If you want to kneel, that's your freedom of expression. I don't like the- You're right as an American. Yeah, I don't like the forced feeling. It's not forced, right? But the forced feeling of nationalism that doesn't feel good to me. That's what I felt right right there. I don't like it. Kneel before the flag. I thought that was kind of crazy. I was like, oh, whoa, look at this. No, I don't like that, dude. Here's the thing with nationalism. I understand the allure of it, but nationalism's got an ugly side to it as well. And it's the us versus them mentality that can get kind of ugly. And I don't like forcing. I don't like people being forced to do something that doesn't feel right to me. But the NFL is a private organization and I think they got hurt, right? Didn't it hurt their ratings that whole deal? It did, I don't know where they're at now. It'll be interesting. But I saw two Trumps, like right now, two is kind of like stirring it back up again and kind of like holding them to kind of take some certain players to highlight them as examples and all this. It's all starting all over again. I'm like, oh, God. Yeah, I wonder if they're just trying to divert attention with the whole male cheerleaders. Male cheerleaders have a long history in college, don't they? Yeah, I mean. But that's different though, aren't they? Yeah, they're more, I want to say props for like they helped to kind of like throw the cheerleaders and stuff. This is different. This is like them doing the same stuff. That's what I'm in. Is that how it's going to be? I don't know. No, NFL cheerleaders don't do that, right? No, they don't. Well, so they still throw. They've had them before, like I said, like, you know, for like stunts, I think. I don't know. Let me ask you guys this. How big of a deal are, because I know NFL cheerleaders don't get paid much. I know that because I've known a few of them. How big of a deal is that? Are there cheerleaders for football? Does anybody really give a shit? Or is that a big deal? It's more a traditional thing than anything else. I can't be for the most part. That's what I'm saying. If the cheerleaders disappeared completely, would anybody care? No, they've talked about this before. No. Yeah, this is, I've definitely read articles on this before actually. They don't care at all. No, they would. There's like, it's more the tradition behind it. Why it's stayed alive for as long as it has. Because it's not like you said, it's not a, they don't not making a ton of money. They make money off of calendars and stuff like that. Like the amount of money they get paid per game is so little. They sort of get in the crowd involved. Most of them use it to catapult their, whatever else they're going to do, right? They use that to get some sort of exposure and traction because of the connection. But a lot of people don't really care though, right? Like they're there to watch football. Cause now we have like, you know, the loud speaker, we have the music, like, you know, the crowd involvement is all based off of all that stuff. Like, you know, do first. Like they do all the chants and stuff from the announcer guy. It's funny because I posted that article about the male cheerleaders being in the NFL. And I posted my opinion, which is, they obviously try to divert, you know, divert attention. I don't think there was a market demand for that. It feels a lot like it's just a political move. Yeah. I don't think there's any market demand for it, but whatever. And so I put my comment and then someone in the forum posted, it commented and said, yeah, and I bet they're going to get paid more than the female cheerleaders too. And I was like, actually, What? Were they serious? Yeah. And I'm like, actually no. There's a much higher demand for female cheerleaders. It's like, you know what? There's definitely fields where women make more. Because there's a higher demand and some of that stuff. And then, you know, the reverse. That's funny. Yeah. And I say, well, you know, same reason why male athletes- You don't think they're being sarcastic? They're probably being sarcastic. Maybe. Yeah. I feel like that has to do with it. Our forum would be sarcastic. Yeah. That sounds like a funny comment. But, you know, hey, it's, the way I look at it, is this nice for equality for men? We've been shut out of the cheerleading position. There you go. There's an angle. And then it fell for so long. Finally. Finally. Finally. Yeah. Score one for the boys. Yeah. If I was a single guy, I would be signing up. You know, I don't give a shit. I'm like, look who I'm hanging out with. You guys can hang out in the locker room, look at each other, and like, you know, whatever. I'm hanging out, you know, the cheerleaders. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. What about, what do you guys think what's going on with Alex Jones right now? Oh, dude. How about that? So, Alex Jones- He got pulled off of, let's see here, he's got pulled off of- YouTube. Spotify. Facebook, YouTube. The big one was then, Apple just made a decision to, take his entire podcast off completely. Now, Twitter is keeping him on. I said Twitter, he was kicked off Twitter, but no, he's actually still on Twitter because Twitter said, hey, he hasn't broken any of our rules or policies, and we believe in keeping everybody on. Here's the scary thing for me. Now, first off, for those of you that don't know who Alex Jones is, he's this, he's been dubbed- Conspiracy. Yeah, right wing conspiracy theorists, you know, provocateur. And he's definitely said some crazy, insane shit. He's also said some funny stuff. He's definitely very anti-war. He calls himself a libertarian, but again, he's that conspiracy theorist type of person. But you know, I know way worse people that are still on these platforms. I can't, like, why are you threatened? Like to begin with? I mean, for me, like, I just look at that as like, it's kind of, sometimes he makes like certain points, you know, that are like legitimate, but like for the most part, it's all just wacky, wacky hilarious stuff. There were other people that were banned right around the same time. So here's the scary parts for me. First off, Alex Jones has a massive audience. So he's bringing a lot of people- Isn't he like the national inquirer for politics? There you go. Kind of, kind of. Like the national inquirer for politics. Like everyone's like, it's like a real picture in there that that's a real picture of Tom Brady looks like right now, but then the captions like crazy. He's totally like that. I think it's cause like a lot of people take it like really seriously too, you know? So like some of these platforms are like, they just don't like that. Well, he has a huge audience. So he brings a lot of eyes to those platforms. Those are all independent private platforms. So they all have a right to kick off wherever they want. It's totally within the rights. However, what I find fascinating is that these major platforms within hours of each other kicked them off. Right, right. Which means they're in co-conspiracy. That's weird to me. That's a little bit frightening to me because that tells me that there was some, they were working together to sign someone. How tied in is Facebook with the government? I mean, let's just speculate that. We don't need to speculate. They're very much. The government is very, very involved in these huge platforms. They have laws saying that they have to be able to spy on people through them. Very much, look, if you're the government and you're looking at a company like Facebook, okay? Let's say you look at Facebook and it's got, I don't know how many hundreds of millions of Americans are on there, but I know there's over a billion people on earth that are on there. And the information that people share on Facebook is very private. Super private, yeah. And it's very detailed. Way too private. And very detailed. And it's extremely valuable for an organization. That's what I'm saying. So if you're looking at that like a government, you're, I mean, you're jowls are. Oh, you're salivating. You're salivating at this potential power. On a whole other level, because there's nothing to compare to this up to this point. Yeah, never. You never were allowed access into people's homes. No, and no, no surveillance that the government's ever been able to do has ever been able to get this detailed. They know what you like. Remember, anytime you like something on Facebook, it's in what you dislike and what you comment on. It remembers it forever. And it shows, you know, what people do, the preferences it shows. And Facebook played a big role in the last election. And that really pissed people off. A lot of people think Facebook is what got, you know, Donald Trump to win the election. Sure it did. Well, sure it did. He maximized the fuck out of it, dude. The conundrum for me too, because I know people like want to add regulation because these private organizations are private. But at the same time, it's like where everybody's going to get to do research, to search, to, you know, look for their news. Like look for, but they, they literally have an agenda of their own. Yeah, they're their own company with their own standards. And they've created their own ecosystem that, you know, is, is like, if you have a different stance than that, good luck. Dude, it irritates me because there's definitely interesting biases going on. You know, recently that we had, what's her name? Sarah Jiang, I think, who's got hired as an editor for The New York Times. Editor, by the way, not just a contributing, you know, author or journalist, an actual editor. There's a whole string of tweets that she's done that she did a while ago that were extremely anti-white. Like very, very racist towards white people. I'll read, I'll read some of them to you. This is her own tweets. Hashtag cancel white people. White people have stopped breeding. You'll all go extinct soon. This was my plan all along. Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun? Thus logically being only fit to live underground. Like groveling goblins. Like very, very mean, you know, oh, it's sick how much joy I get out of being. And who exactly is she? To old white men. What is she? She's now an editor now for The New York Times. And so a lot of people were like, hey, why are you putting this really racist woman? And The New York Times is like, no, we're still gonna hire her. Which I find kind of, there's a little bit of a double standard. You know, Roseanne made a comment. She lost her show and rightly so, but now this woman is whatever. So there's this conservative, this black conservative woman, Candace Owens, who took all these tweets, and I talked about this in the past episode, took all these exact tweets and changed the word white to black. That's all she did. Same tweets and everything. Twitter shut her down. Oh, wow. Yeah, so there's, it's- Does she tell people ahead of time? Oh, wow. Yep, yep, and it still shut her down. So it's interesting kind of what's kind of going on right now. And here's the thing with these platforms. These platforms are not news providers themselves. They are platforms for news and people. And I think in that- The hand selected ones. Yeah, and I feel like, you know, if that's what you're doing, then you should kind of be open and free. And let, I mean, I know they're private. I mean, I understand that, but there's definitely some infiltration. Well, we speculated on this shit three years ago on like the dangers of the way we get information and how that's going to accelerate over the next five to 10 years is the most difficult thing about, so information becomes so accessible. It's so easy to become an expert overnight in something that you got to be careful on where you're getting all that biased information all the time. The scariest part is that, like you had mentioned earlier, they were all in cahoots together. Yeah, because- That's not cool. Because that means like they all have similar agendas that are all like together. And that's scary because you don't have competing agendas. Like now we're just gonna get all biased information. Listen, doesn't make sense to me. Here's why it doesn't make sense to me. Let's say you got a guy like Alex Jones who has hundreds of millions of followers. Like he's huge, he's massive, right? And let's say you're Facebook and one of the other social media platforms cuts him off. You know what's gonna happen to Facebook's page of Alex Jones is gonna get more followers. So it doesn't make any fucking sense to me. That's the part, and this is the part that is cool about the time we live in right now is that you can have all these companies getting cahoots and try and fuck you and try and silence you, but it's impossible the time we live now. And if you had enough people that were listening to you to where you rose that much attention where someone would wanna rip you off that platform, just him simply having a website now, he's probably gonna gain more traction in eyes and this next five point six million people in 48 hours. There you go. Five point six million people. There you go. So your real desired outcome was to silence these guys. What a stupid way to do it. Five point six million people went to his site and signed up for a shit in the 48 hours following his banning. Pretty crazy, right? But again, the scary part to me is you have all these competing separate private platforms, all cancelling him or censoring him within hours of each other. That smells to me like they were directed. Does it sound like they all work together? It feels like they all got a letter from someone. Somebody's puppeteering. Yeah, like, who knows? Yeah, but if that was the case, don't you think that they all would've got one, including Twitter, and then that would get exposed? Yeah, that was interesting that Twitter didn't fall astute. Right, don't you think that would be, don't you think that would be kind of weird that if that was the case? Or, who knows? I mean, by the way- That's very Alex Jones. By the way, I know we're going down the rabbit's hole. In the spirit of Alex Jones, I'm gonna make a bunch of conspiracies. What it sounds like- It's fun. If I own Twitter, if I'm the owner of Twitter, or I'm the owner of Facebook, and I get this letter, you know what I'm, I'm probably gonna do? I'm probably gonna say, nope, I'm not gonna do what you're telling me. And then I'm not gonna say, hey, I got a letter from the government because that'll definitely get my ass thrown in jail. I'm just gonna say something like, we're not cancelling because we believe in free speech or whatever. Because it is weird that you had like four of these platforms. You know what else got canceled? At the same time, within hours? Ron Paul's chief executive officer of his Ron Paul Institute. Ron Paul is another kind of libertarian-ish, but right-wing, sometimes conspiracy theorist. So it's really strange to me that- And he's the one that calls out the Fed really hard. Targeting is going on. It's really weird. And at the same time, they're talking about hate speech. Man, there's way more worst hate speech that I've seen on these platforms than what he was saying. I mean, it's so outlandish, like what he says, like, I don't know how anybody takes it seriously. Like some of the stuff, like, it was, like just some stuff, like he's talking about like vampire, like goblin, you know, big belly baby eaters, right? Ah, the globalist, you know, like, he's a fucking character, you know? And it's like, which is why, and I know they've tried to highlight like certain things that he said to like really like tear him down and justify why he's getting pulled off there. But then at the end of the day, he's in the business of views and that's part of a, that's a strategy. You gotta know that. Unless he's just completely off his rocker, I've never hung out with him, so I can't say he's completely, you know, I think that's part. Like you said, I really think it's a good comparison, the national inquirer, like he's kind of like running that news department, you know, like the sky is falling, you know, that's his stick. Yeah, in the political world, right? In the political world, he represents that to me, that as far as what the character, you know? Here's what I think, I think for a long time now, for decades, the old media was being manipulated very strongly by special interests that could include the government, it couldn't just include powerful lobby groups or politicians or political parties, right? And I don't think anybody will disagree with me. I mean, it's crazy when I put on CNN and Fox, and they'll cover the same thing totally different, completely different. Sholar opposite stances. Yeah, one side is telling a different story, and the other side's telling the opposite story, and they're both being very convincing. And to me, it's very obvious, one is owned by one group and one is owned by the other group, you know? Or I can go even further and say, what they're trying to do is just make us believe there's only two sides, and those are the only two sides of the picture. Or they're just creating conflict. Create conflict. Yeah, I swear to God. So old media has been- Well, half of this is like we talked about the other days. These are just a bunch of billionaires behind scenes trying to nudge each other. I was reading Richard Branson's newest book, and he tells a story of his first encounter with Donald Trump in there. And it's actually really crazy. Like, and he talks about, like their first encounter was they were meeting for lunch. This was in 2004. And at the lunch, Donald Trump is listing off, because he just filed for bankruptcy this time, somewhere around that time, right? And he's telling Richard Branson how pissed he is at these, he asked 10 people for help when he was in this situation, and five of them turned their back on him. And he was like venting to him that it was his life's mission to fuck the five of them. To get them back? Yeah, to get them back and fuck them. Oh, wow. And then 10 years later, this guy decides to announce that he's gonna be running for presidency. Of course. And so he talks about, and then he talks about how Trump tried to mend that relationship by sending him letters, and he reads the letters on the book and everything like that. It's really good, but it's crazy to think like, half the shit that we see, we sit here and we debate over the policies and oh, is it fair? Is it not right? When none of that was even taken into consideration, the real move was that, oh, by me making this peace move right here, I fucked that guy that I've been trying to get. I've been trying to get. And he's attached to Trump on some level, right? Alex Jones. And so I could see just that war between the press, he already made that clear, it's like we're going to war with fake news and all this kind of stuff. So I could see it being as petty as that. Right. It's the catalyst. Yeah, no, old media was owned by special interests a long time ago. And you gotta imagine this, if you're the people controlling old media or you have your hands in it, whether it's the government or special interests, and then you had to see this creation called the internet that is now able to deliver information radically different, radically democratized, much, much less expensive. The barriers to enter are much, much lower. And now you're seeing people flock. They're leaving old media. You're panicking. You're shitting your pants because you used to own the loudspeaker that pushed the narrative and now you don't and you see the internet. And so for a long time, the government's been trying to rein it in. They've been trying, not many times they've tried to pass bills that will regulate and control the internet. And it's through all kinds of different ways, ways that they're saying, oh, it's for safety or it's for this. Oh, it's to maintain freedom on the internet or whatever. The reality is they're just trying to get control over it. And now I think what's happening now is you're seeing these big social media giants have this power. And I think that they're getting influenced by some of the stuff. But good luck. Perfect time to go to VR and start all over again. Yeah, but good. Yeah. Well, the way I look at it is good luck because I've said this before, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Alex Jones, 5.6 million new subscribers in the 48 hours. That's what I mean. It's cool that we could say here and be like scary time in life, but this is why I think we make it through this time. It's a double-edged sword, yeah. Because you can't stop it. You know what I'm saying? If they could stop it, it would be scarier. If they could silence everybody. And I know there's a lot of alarmists out there out there that are like, the sky is falling right now. Like, oh my God, what's gonna happen? But it's like, well, this is what's great is because nobody that is anybody that has like, someone like Alex Jones who's got this much attention already, they weren't fucking with him when nobody knew who he was. They start fucking with you when you actually have pool. Right. And once you've got that pool and people are looking to you, to listen to you for whatever reason. They can almost do no wrong at that point. At this point, this person, they have a lot of control and power and you can't take that from them. We live in a good time where you can get your information out there via another platform out there. You can just use somebody else or create a platform for yourself. I mean, we live in that time where you can actually create your own platform that you fully control. It's just, I just don't see it ever being able to, you know, get silenced completely. Yeah, no, I think- They'll try all they want, but it looks like a backfire. Well, it's just interesting to see how much censorship is starting to kind of come to the forefront. Like, how do we manage, you know, what people talk about and what do they tweet and what do they post? And, you know, there just seems to be a lot of effort in that direction of limiting people. I have some understanding, you know, I understand that. Like, we're seeing things too, that like, for example, and I think pornography is an easy example, like this, that's a major challenge that we just didn't have, we didn't think we didn't have 50 years ago, you know, or less. Like it just, and it's like, oh shit, this is like really hurting us as a country, something that we would have never even seen the possibilities of this, you know what I'm saying? No, I get it. You know, here's the thing, there's a reason why free speech is the first, it's the first amendment, right? There's a reason. It's the most important thing ever is to be able to speak out. And if you ever read about the accounts of tyrannical regimes or when shit really went bad, it starts by first manipulating speech and then by controlling speech and then they control the narrative. It's always how it starts. And it's a very important thing. And here's the thing with new media and this is why I love it so much. First off, you can compare, directly compare the internet and new media. What I mean by new media is like, you know, YouTube, social media, your ability to basically get your word out. You can compare that directly to the printing press. And when the printing press was invented at that time, most people didn't have access to books. They were too expensive. It cost lots of money to buy a book because people had to write them by hand. And so as a result, most people didn't read and when they wanted information, they got it from the nobles who'd learned how to read and could afford it or from the church who had a lot of power and could disseminate the information. Boom, printing press gets invented, now books are cheap. Now everybody has access to information. One of the first best-selling books of all time was Marco Polo's Travels and he talks about how he travels the world and whatever and that just blew people's fucking minds. And many people believe, rightly, and I agree that the printing press is what ushered in the Renaissance and the Enlightenment where people started the scientific method. And now we're sharing ideas. But that didn't go down, it didn't go smoothly. Here's the other thing. When people lose power, they don't go down very easily. You had people burning books, people getting executed. You had people like, you know. Well, who gave that analogy of this time is like the burning books? I thought that was really great. Well, I talked about it with Bishop Barron. He said that, he agreed. He thinks it's exactly the same analogy. Isn't that like the move of like a tyrannical regime that comes in, they want to like eliminate all of the past knowledge and all of the, you know, books and history and they want to rewrite it all. You control speech and you control information. You control people. That's 100%. And so that didn't go down very easily. It's not like, oh, printing press, boom, everybody's got information. You better believe the church fought hard. Nobles fought hard. There was a violence, people were thrown in jail. You know, there was a lot of censorship tried to happen but it was almost impossible to control because, you know, these books spread and it was a new technology and at the time they couldn't regulate it very well. So the internet is doing the same thing and I am 100% believe that they can try controlling it all they want and try censoring it. Good luck and they're not, but I don't think they're going to go down without a fight and that's what I'm worried about. And so you're getting this war that's going on. Yeah, for sure. Which is a little bit alarming, for sure. It smells like it's escalating a bit. You know, that's of late. It is, you know, we're getting told what we can and can't say. Colleges are, you know, telling, I mean, it's very strange to me. It's a very strange, interesting time and it's a little bit frightening to see something that Americans forever had valued so much now is getting questioned. I'm now seeing, hearing people actually say, you know, speech should only be free so long as it's not hate speech. Yeah, that's a made up thing right now. Hey, you know, who determines what is hate speech? That's completely to the person that defines it as hate speech. That's why when it comes to freedom, there is no a little bit less freedom. No, it's either you're free or you're not. The only limiting factor should be the other, the liberty of other people. As long as you don't infringe on that, you should be totally free. Which people would try and argue that you're infringing on those people's feelings. That's their argument right there, right? That's your choice. You choose to feel where the fuck you want. You can shut me off or not tune in. That's right. So always protect speech. And here's the thing, by the way, this is an unpopular thing to say, but it's 100% true. The first amendment, the freedom of speech part of it was not put in there to protect popular speech. Popular speech needs no protection ever. It was put in there specifically to protect unpopular speech. Specifically because the founders understood what tyranny was like and they knew that maybe at one point there would be tyrannical regimes again and it was there to protect that sole voice that's gonna speak out and say, I mean, in communist Russia, you know what happened if you protested against the government? You were thrown in the gulags or you were killed. Or even if you just said, I don't know, let's question this communism thing, you know? So it's kind of an interesting time, but new media is exciting because it's so decentralized. Like how are you gonna control it? That's what I mean. It's like even as scary as it is and how weird of a time it is, I think that it is so decentralized that it will never allow it to get full, no one will be able to get full control. No, no. There's too many rogue people that are looking out to make sure that doesn't happen that I think. And I mean, even what I saw with Bitcoin, this is how I see Bitcoin is like, I think that's a way of like protecting ourselves. Like, you know, whether you believe in it or not or where it's gonna go as far as hedging our bets. Yeah, it's like, at one point we absolutely could. So there's a very good chance that it will go that way and I think it's smart that we have people that are thinking like that already. And I feel better and safer now than I did. Well, here's the other part of it. Like a lot of businesses now are building their companies on these platforms. So like I personally know people who had pages that were reaching 300,000 impressions a day and overnight, like just on Facebook, overnight they went from 300,000 to 1,000 impressions. What the fuck just happened? That's a lot of power that they have over you. I know guys who are making thousands of dollars a day through their Facebook or social media advertising, then Facebook changes something and they went from thousands to hundreds overnight. So if you're a business today, here's my advice, use all these very powerful platforms but fucking hedge your bets man and build something that you own because- Well, we talked about this at the very beginning of building this. I mean, that was something that we had foreseen. We didn't foresee necessarily like what platforms would start kicking people off or whatever, but it's like, I would never want to leave our business in the control of some other businesses' hands and rely 100% on it. Like, absolutely, there's always gonna be a risk, right? We have multiple revenue streams and if all of a sudden YouTube shut down tomorrow, yes, it would affect the business. If all of a sudden iTunes start down tomorrow, that would affect them, absolutely. But there's so many different ones that we've protected ourselves. It's like, okay, that's something that I think a lot of people that are quote unquote entrepreneurs right now don't take into consideration. It's so easy to become an entrepreneur. We talk about the cool benefits of that that everybody thinks they can go run out and do it and then you have these people that are trying to do it through a social media platform and that's all they put all their eggs in that basket is like trying to build this image on a social media platform so I can then turn around and convert what, 4% of them into X amount of dollars. It's like, that isn't a really sustainable business model. If that's all you've thought of. That's always the flaw I've always seen in being like very niche, you know? Whereas that's something that's highlighted a lot with these business coaches and masterminds and things like that is to really find your niche, you know, own it, be the best at it, which will get you a lot of attention, get you like, you know, some revenue and consistent but like there's also that fact right there, like what happens if like the market just completely shifts? You know, like your niche is that one thing now that doesn't exist. It's like we know a lot of people that make good money off of building a network of people and then selling t-shirts and they're not fashion designers, you know, any more than I am and what they've done is the same thing that we do for Mind Pump which is you buy some shirts at wholesale, you put your logo and branding on it and make it creative and cool-paid designer, make it neat and then you resell it and it's a 50% markup and then you have shipping in person to have to handle all that. It's not, and then you think about it like a lot of the people that buy those things they buy it at a support. So that's how we look at it like advertising, right? So it's most people that buy the shirts they do it at a support thing. It's not a real business model, that's terrible because I know that I'm not a fashion designer and I know eventually those people that are rocking that at a support in three to five years when they have kids and they forget about Mind Pump or they're busy they're not gonna come back and buy the shirt because the shirt is- Well plus what do you do if, let's say you do build a massive Instagram page with lots of interaction and engagement and you build your audience off that and your business off. Let's say you get half a million good followers on Instagram and you build your business based off of Instagram and that's how you Instagram and that's how you- Oh you're an Instagram fan. Yeah, no, not Instagram, Instagram. And that's how you talk to people, that's how you communicate with people, that's how you reach people, that's how you advertise. And then what happens if Instagram says we're gonna ban you or we're gonna change an algorithm now you're not gonna reach nearly- Or your account just gets deleted. I remember that was a popular thing when Instagram was first coming up you had a lot of people that had their shadow pages to protect themselves because big name people were losing like- Somebody flags them for just some hater out there like there's all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, so what happens then? You go from being a fucking baller to zero instantly. Instantly and it's happened to a lot of people so my advice is like use as many platforms as you can and then figure out a way to own your content and own your audience. And really, by owning the audience the way I look at it is like instead of trying to think of how I can add a thousand more people I think about how I can impact 10 more people's lives because if you can impact 10 more people's lives it's far more valuable than getting 1,000 people's attention when in the social media world. Sure, and they'll follow you. Right. So if you have to switch platforms- And they'll end up exactly and they'll end up being your best form of advertisement because you actually fundamentally help them and change their lives. So if you put the energy and time into that that's gonna pay you long-term dividends getting attention by 1,000 or 2,000 or 5,000 people because you have a cool car or because you look good with your booty shots or whatever that right there is not that valuable maybe in the short term because it gets the attention which then potentially can convert at two to 4% but then like it's not long-term the people that will follow you from platform to platform it's just like being a great trainer like when you are a really, really good trainer you could drive, you can move across town and clients will drive a half hour an hour they'll pay extra money they'll do whatever because you've built that much value this business is no different it's just now in this virtual world so you gotta learn to adapt and I don't think that people are spending the time trying to figure out how do I add value to people's lives because that is really what will grow the business and sustain it over long-term because the people will come back and they'll tell other people about it. And think about it I mean put yourself in the shoes of Alex Jones you've built this empire of followers across several platforms that's your business and in the same day imagine you get that phone in the same day oh shit I got kicked off of YouTube oh shit Facebook just kicked me off oh my god Apple just canceled all of my podcasts you've gotta be sitting there going and he's already a conspiracy theorist the fucking discuses is this the first podcast that's been regulated like that? I don't know if that's a good question I think probably one that size because he had a lot of episodes on there a lot of hours that's an interesting Google Doug first podcast ever regulated or first podcast I haven't heard of any podcasts I mean I've listened to podcasts and I'm like wow I can't believe you're getting away with this shit that's what kind of cool platform this is and so that worries me a little bit I mean who owns Facebook is Zuckerberg Apple is what Tim Cook right and then YouTube who's the head of YouTube? It's Google Is that Google? Yeah it's the department of Google I don't know who that is Those guys compete with each other don't they? Yeah aren't they competitive in a lot of areas? How the fuck did they all decide to kick one guy off at the same time? Don't you think if you're don't you think one of the like if one of my competitors kicked off a guy with tons of followers It could have looked like this too it could have been one company leading the way and then putting the pressures on the others to follow suit by highlighting the negative things that he said which I'm sure was what they did they probably took, you know he talked about Yeah but that's been happening forever he talked about all that stuff in the sheet It's the Sandy Hook stuff that was really inflammatory Right so they took that information they probably took a stand against him and said this is what we're gonna do this out this is unright or unfair and we don't stand for it on our platform we think you should follow suit and they could have easily done that too It's within hours and Twitter might have, yeah well it could have went out, it's email bro instantly I mean that could have been Yeah but to make a big decision like that where you're cutting someone off who's got a hundred million or fifteen million followers Maybe it was that quick of a decision where someone just had to make should we follow suit Facebook is doing it, you know whoever did it first right so and so did it first they got some of almost the power is how I would look at it if I'm Facebook and I'm looking at the other platform that cancel them I'm like oh cool we're gonna get a shit ton more people over here because now they can't watch Yes it's just weird to me they're all competitors it's very fucking weird either A they all got together and talked about this and coordinated it or B they all got told to do this that's weird to me it's very very strange it's a little bit you know it's a little bit frightening but again I mean I mean good luck you know I mean who was it that was saying it's Jordan Peterson I was listening to him on Joe Rogan and he was saying how the spoken word is now has as much power as the written word because in the past the spoken word had a lot of power but it didn't have as much power as written word because you had limited bandwidth so like when you're watching TV and you're watching the news or that you know you're getting interviewed on TV you have to condense you know discussions and complex you know statements or whatever into like eight minute segments but what you could do in writing is I could write a whole book I could write a whole you could reference it and go back and look back and the problem that now that was good but the negative part of that is not everybody reads books not everybody likes to hear right we like that's how we communicate before we ever well it's very interesting on that note because like now we have platforms like Netflix like same thing for novels like a lot of times you'll get like these epic novels but you know you can't fit that all in one movie or like a couple movies but you can in like 20 really long series exactly you know so it's really cool that now we have long form content yeah cause that's what he was saying he was saying like how the spoken word now has the power of written word to where you have you know Joe Rogan is the most I mean he gets I don't know how many millions of downloads a day more than Fox and CNN combined he's got more of an audience that's awesome yeah so someone like Joe Rogan who's his episodes routinely go over two hours right he's got episodes of three four hours typically three hours yeah that's a long like old media never they would have said that would have killed you and it's because you had limited bandwidth but you don't with the internet so now we can go in depth and we can go deep and we can talk about all these complex issues so now it's you know before a politician could say to you I'm against poverty and I'm for prosperity and was like yeah what the fuck does that mean let's get into it and imagine too in the future it's like you're gonna be able to play their voice back for when they said some shit during a campaign that they now contradict themselves like five years later or 10 years later but exactly Justin it's like okay what do you mean by that let's get into some depth you couldn't do it before you couldn't have the bandwidth but now everything it's so it's really crazy this is an interesting time it's like this little war that's going on I'm happy to be a part of it because I feel like we're we're the counter in the fitness industry right it's what makes coming to work every day fun man and we knew that taking on the industry we knew getting into what we were getting into and we knew it would be a long battle and it's like by no means are we winning but that's what makes it interesting is that like we're getting traction with it and we're not even close to winning the battle in the fitness space alone dude I mean there's so much misinformation still out there but I absolutely feel like the tone has changed in the last three years it already has to in fitness yeah it used to be I mean look we have guys coming on the show like Stan Effing that we have coming up and like Flex Lewis and you listen or I mean Flex Wheeler and you hear the way they're communicating they're talking about nutrition and training so different so different than just 10, 15 years ago yeah so different yeah so it's it's interesting I know you know 10 years ago it would have been sacrilege to post in a bodybuilding magazine or even on a website you know before and after pictures this is what they actually do this is the nobody would have done that because it would have called everybody out now it's like it's kind of everybody knows like oh that's bullshit you know we could talk about all the scams we could talk about the bad information we could talk about all this stuff and it's funny because a lot of that was new I remember when we first started the podcast and we called things out people were like blown away like what that's crazy today it's not that shocking no it's not three years later yeah you know so it's an interesting time but it is again it's kind of scary I mean we're you know going against the grain in fitness it's not that controversial but let's say we were going against the grain of politics or you know culture or whatever I mean iTunes could shut us down you know iTunes could be like ah mind pump to you know whatever right and then we don't agree with this you're done but at this point that would you know that would backfire the same way it did for them with Alex Jones now all some people would be like what what's this podcast they got you know they got canceled from iTunes they must be saying crazy shit sounds like I remember the number two live crew yeah oh my god it's like I just I just knew that it was like super scandalous and shocking and so I was like I want to hear that yeah I want to listen to it it's a it's a strategy dude and speaking of which I heard on the Rogan podcast that there was a bill going through in Congress hasn't passed or anything but they were gonna make saying disparaging remarks or things against police officers hate speech and they'll make it illegal wow yeah so if you yeah so if you're on social media and you're like you know fuck the police whatever they could they could come down under the law could come down on you now and nothing like that's passed but the fact that's even militant state at all yeah the fact that that even exists is scary man that's really scary yeah like what's albums like fuck the police by you know yeah NWA NWA or or what's his name iced tea and yeah what he's a cop killer body count yeah that would have been thrown you were thrown the masses in jail yeah I think you can't think that's gonna pass though right like they just can't pass bro you get enough people behind these days I don't know man you get enough people behind anything and it's kind of it's yeah look when I see when I see college campuses having days literally I can't remember what maybe Doug can look this up it was a college that literally had a day where white people white students and white teachers couldn't come to school what yes what yes and a professor came to school because like fuck that I'm coming and he got like he was getting basically harassed by identify as white you know a good point yeah good point that's that's a real thing that's a real thing that actually happened I can't remember you gotta prove that that's like they can't be that's that's that's just so wrong it's fucking crazy to me really that's horrific I'm gonna find it could you could you imagine if we did that with any other race yeah yeah that's what I'm saying pandemonium yeah yeah oh is that it right there this doesn't make any sense yep college melts down over plan for white people free day on campus which college is that wow yeah holy shit bro every evergreen state evergreen state college that's not racist at all where's the set where's that I was in Washington Washington yep yep how you like that wow it's it's kind of weird and and if you stand up and you you're debating particular ideas and stuff you're getting side people are getting silent you're doing is shutting down like the huge group of people like no we're not listening anymore now it's going backwards is what it looks that's why it's a little not working together anymore you know come on you know what I really like what was that rap song you showed us oh yeah that was really good I should share why I shared a I shared a quote from it the quote that he your insta story yeah yeah but I'll all I'll share on that why just share powerful video our private forum is actually I think everyone's having dialogue around it right now it's basically it's a it's a white dude and a black dude sitting across from a table and there starts off with a white dude rapping and saying like a bunch of but you find out it's actually the the rapper that's his voice yeah you know hey but he's saying terrible joiner Lucas okay J.O.Y. NER Lucas and it's in the songs titled I'm not racist and the black dude does it back to the white dude but then at the end they kind of come together yeah but it's very charged very charged very heated very powerful like arguments back and forth and yeah at the end it's like this hug it out yeah which is yeah I like now I like this way better than the one that we shared that Gambino did yeah like Gambino one was cool artsy I thought that was neat but I told you that I and there's certain things about it that I didn't like sure this one like fucking love that dude I did a great job of playing both sides of that and it was written really really well you know years it takes you through kind of with you the first time you watch it you don't know where it's going to be like it takes you through a little bit of an emotional that's to me that's really good art you know there you go there's example of you know we talk like you always give you guys shit about rap still today there's still some powerful messages that was very that was very well done right I was very very that's really good you know years ago and trust me this is all connected years ago coke and Pepsi actually had representatives meet and decide to start the cola wars this was in the 1980s the Pepsi challenge remember this in the ice I reference this whole time if you'll never get it yeah so it's like calls me out on something like I'll take the Pepsi challenge so so like huh so I don't get it in the 80s you had coke running commercials saying that their cola was better than Pepsi you had Pepsi saying that their cola was better than coke and they would just talk shit back and forth and they'd have they you know Pepsi did the Pepsi challenge where they have people drink you know two versions without labels on them and then which one you like better and people say Pepsi and then coke did it and they were better and selected at all but what they don't what people didn't realize when this was all going on was that Pepsi and coke were working together at doing this and it was brilliant because what it did highlighted both of them it isolated everybody else it to made us all believe that there is no other drinks on the face of the earth except for Pepsi or milk water is brilliant absolutely it's the same thing we do in politics it took shares from 7up and Shasta and all these other drinks and everybody thought they only had two choices and I have to choose Pepsi or Coke and that's what I that's that's the case and then you Democrats in Republic to the point where you started to have people become very dogmatic about it I mean we're like I'm a Pepsi guy I'm like yeah where people like like totally identified coke guy right here first right in the 80s I'm not do you guys didn't notice that when you next time go to the restaurant yep and order say I want to Pepsi or I want to cook one of the other right and if they don't have it they'll add they'll say are you okay with yeah what's funny no I am not okay you know it's a little you don't have formula if I like you know like fraction in the 80s that was a big deal people get pissed off yeah you don't have coke you just have Pepsi that's grow whatever it was a big deal and it was because people were manipulated through advertising so brilliant to pick one or the other brilliant and this is the conspiracy theorists and me is like you know people first of all we have way more in common than we have different people tend to get along way more than they don't otherwise society would crumble we all kind of want the same thing and I think what's what what they try to do a lot of times to manipulate us is divide the fuck out of us divide the hell out of us and so you you're guaranteed to pick one or the other because at the end of the day whether you vote Republican or you vote Democrat the the same sponsors they have the same specialist just hedging their bets you know you know what solves this communicating more often with each other and interacting more often with each other and realizing like you guys are just trying to make us fucking hate each other yeah yeah I believe we're becoming more savvy to that too I hope so don't you feel like that I feel like I think that people are becoming more savvy and are smarter and they're looking at I mean that's the positive signs of like you know reading that book I Jen like that was some of the positive signs of this generation coming up and then kind of the devil's advocate I play with you guys the other day which is you know I think they're they're more they're more well read you know they could they can have access to information faster that you know when you were a 15 year old kid like you know if you wanted to figure out the statistics on marriage or something like that where are you gonna find that you know it's not in any of your high school school books and like where would you start doing that we're kicking Google that search everybody like oh shit you mean to tell me there's a 50-50 shot I'm gonna get divorced maybe maybe I should hang on a little bit you know I'm saying like that's just that's there's some positive sides to it's interesting but new media I knew it when way back when when Facebook started getting big and I'll comment on there and debate people and stuff I remember saying this a lot to people like this is gonna stir some shit up because this we have never been in a time like this where this can actually happen in this way this is gonna it's gonna take power away from hitting a climax of it to figure this out like we need to like really figure this out yeah so I don't know it's exciting for me because obviously I'm in the space and I see the new media and I see what it's doing it's also a little scary because I can see it feels like you know the old powers that be are a little frightened and they're trying to do their own thing but we'll see what happened my advice is this like don't give money to anybody you disagree with that's how you vote that gives people power and inform yourself educate yourself and always keep an open mind like try to be open-minded try not to have preconceived notions remove your filter because your filter will change how you view things and look at objective facts and and then take it from there and then realize that most people are relatively good and most people we all want the same thing we want what's best for our children we want what's best for us and we want people to have good lives most people are like that so once you realize that and you look at things through that lens I think it makes things a lot easier also if you go to mind pump free dot coms a nice transition we've got all kinds of you're free guys you're gonna hug though go check them out mind pump free dot com thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mind 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