 hundreds and hundreds of bodies lining the streets. Panic spread worldwide after a leaked report from the World Health Organization. The UK has a strategy so there was an existing strategy from 2007 that was then later updated in nine and ten after this wine flow outbreak. So there is a pandemic strategy that was written in 2011 and that you know it obviously reflects a lot of the kind civil acts so the responsibilities of primary care providers and the responsibilities of acute care providers and who has to support kind of business contingency plans and that kind of thing. There is some modelling done as well where they kind of predicted an influence outbreak might look at adding kind of say 25 percent more ill people and from that you might get maybe 5000 more people accessing primary care services so going to their GPs and then maybe from that you might get 150 people who would then go to hospital and a hundred of those people could potentially die. So you know if you're looking at this per hundred thousand and then looking at it per population you know the numbers can soon kind of mount up really. So there is some kind of you know general this is what we potentially expect in terms of strategy and this is what we plan to do on this respect but a lot of it is obviously guesswork because obviously it has to be a new you know just talking about influenza it would be something new that people might potentially not have any resistance to or we might not have any kind of vaccinations for it at present. So you have to kind of you're almost anticipating how severe the disease is going to be. Obviously in 2009 we were quite lucky because wine flu was a relatively mild flu virus so there's kinds of lots of elements to consider but there's certainly preparedness plans in place and obviously the European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention work with European countries to have preparedness plans in place. So to some degree the majority of countries will have some kind of plan or strategy in place and I guess it's just about kind of how easy it is to implement that and how severe the illness is and also again there's all the same things that we've discussed like incubation periods and surveillance and transmission and all of those things to consider because that will obviously affect like the kind of general strategic approach to addressing something like that. One thing that really struck me when I was researching this a year or two ago is that if you really do have the massive pandemic and then there's a question of how do we vaccinate everyone. It turns out that there's one of the bottlenecks is the actual global capacity to manufacture enough vaccines and I think that it seemed that part of the problem was that well it seems a bit of a waste of money to have all these you know vaccine factories you know doing nothing all the time and then to gear up and actually to make sometimes you might need two doses of vaccine to make enough vaccine to you know to vaccinate seven billion people and it's not something that the world can do at the drop of a hat it's how long would it take? It takes a lot of time and especially because it's several vaccines are made differently so you need different types of plans of conditions to prepare the vaccine to grow the vaccine it depends if it's an attenuated or a killed whole bug or whether it's a recombinant protein or this is a totally different plant and a different approach so normally I mean I'm a breaking vaccine developer I'm not working in private companies or pharma producing vaccine but as much as I know that the plant is actually designed for the vaccine when the vaccine is coming through the the pipeline so plants are designed for specific vaccines very often so let's say the new pandemic needs a type of vaccines where there's maybe two plants in the whole world because there's two pharma company producing it you entirely right there's there's no capacity at all to produce very quickly one vaccine for seven billion people this time it's going to be different I just know it what do you mean we're going to be there the fireflies I'm sure of it