 All right, let's call the August 28th architecture review board meeting it to order At least if you could please read the roll Here so we're missing Bob and Dick if everyone would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation Under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all any potential conflicts of interest on today's items Hearing none I'll move to item number four looking for an approval of the minutes from our May 22nd meeting Actually, I take that back I'm looking at the minutes rather than the agenda So it's the meeting for the June 26th. So we had a motion and a second Any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Minutes are approved. Thank you I'm looking at the right sheet Uh, there was a request to switch the order. Is that correct? Yes any concerns from the board if we take item number six first All right, in that case we are looking at the proposed exterior remodel of the facade to 1136 indiana avenue If you could come to the podium and give us a little Description of what's being proposed, please I did an introduction first. I think you all have to have the Rendering's we do. Yes At least can probably bring those up Scott can we get the renderings on the screen? So our proposal is to we've already done the roofing portion Of this project, but i'm nick from galling's roofing and siding and We're looking to complete the exterior And we have some products that we were proposing to use And that Is it on there right now currently they can possibly zoom in on there? You can get a really good look at it. So it's a it's a nicer grade vinyl siding with a nicer contemporary color To make this wood building that's kind of dilapidated right now maintenance free So it's not such an eyesore for this community And Obviously the windows and stuff would all be trimmed out with aluminum Wrap and we would do our we would maintain some of the curb appeal with some Like cedar shakes or fish scales if it's required what's what's there right now currently On the existing it's like a fish scale Like sex center here, and then you go up about 10 feet and there's no one right there In the higher section so for my understanding is we would want to maintain that The old style I guess we want to say that the best we can there's the current picture right there and Main culture colors would be like that dark natural slate color With like bright bright white trim To set it off so One of my first questions was on the roof that the brown that shows up on the the google street view Sounds if you've replaced something. Yeah, it's like a dark charcoal or black You would call it right now. Just wasn't sure how well that old roof was going to go in that new color But yeah, that's take care of already even the on the rendering it it's like a dark Um black black it's the color it's called charcoal and then in the gaf line, but it's really just a black Great and then A few questions primarily on the front facade The first thing is the existing building's got a cornice at the top with some brackets. Yeah, the corberals we plan on keeping On there, so we haven't discussed painting yet with the With the building owner, but is an option that we could Have it scrapped and painted so those brackets up there would stay as well. Yeah, they would stay. Okay, they're they're very architecturally like like historical if you want to answer Yeah, I won't ever want to take those off So then the the trim down the corners looked to be about the same width as those brackets Yeah, that would be wrapped the whole thing, but the profile would stay. Yes and then So the the top strip of the scalloped siding is between those brackets Are you looking to maintain that existing and just paint that? No, we're Our plan was to either they they were asking they were hoping we could do a cedar shake style Okay, like that like a nicer vinyl see your cedar shake style um, but if you want I could talk to them about um Like going with a scallop on there. I don't know if they'll have a preference either way I guess it somewhat depends in my mind as to what you then do with that lower band above the maybe the same first floor That's currently some panels within that scallop siding above it With some projections above and below the panel portion And it looked on your rendering as if there was a strip of your cedar shake and then something else underneath it What what was the thinking for what those different stripes are? So there's Currently there's you know, it has like the fish scales and then it has some section of like old Small planks that are kind of like back and forth like that if I remember correctly um So that is Kind of to be determined, you know, I don't have any problem again Having that painted if that's something that the board sees that they want to keep For the historical look of it. Some of it is damaged. They have to be replaced and whatnot That that toss is we're okay with doing whatever with that, you know And it's it's obviously a trade-off to you know, low maintenance I'm sure the owner is little maintenance or a lot of maintenance, right? But also trying to keep that some character with those different bands correct if those can be different siding materials I think I would appreciate that. I don't know what the rest of the board is going to want when we get to a motion But that's probably something that can be done at a level to figure out what you and the owner want to propose And bring it back for a staff level review. Okay, okay, and just Make sure that it's uh, it's getting enough of that original character back in it Other thing while we're on this elevation that panel over the front door That the head goes up to match the height of the windows to either side That's gonna be on missing on your rendering. That'll be gone Is there any way we can keep that with it stepping down it changes that horizontal line that carries through with all three of those elements It was so we're talking we're looking at kind of the the square right there right right there. Yes I I guess I don't know exactly what you would want to do with it if it's Do you have I'm open to suggestion The the the the owner is pretty much relying on us to figure out a situation so as far as like um Anything like the Supports or the corbels On the top We can plan on painting those and then as far as like the stuff in the middle if it's to Keep the integrity of the historical look. We'll plan on painting it You know, we can just say that like they're gonna say whatever it takes for me to get this thing going You know what I mean? So we'll just plan for that and then That That I guess if you want us to keep that Little box look up there If there is a way to trim out The existing trim you have to keep that and then just have an infill of the siding Above the door sure Just noticing in the the renderings you had that the character changed quite a bit by Having now a small door Got you two big windows to either side of it in terms of character So is the door size so we just want to try to keep everything on that plane Alongside the windows correct Like it's almost like a transom it used to be a transom door right it would So trimmed out as if it was a transom, but siding instead of the transom panel. We'll do it. Yeah, super. I don't have a problem with that All right, then look pretty cool actually West elevation There's all sorts of On the existing Meters conduit unit strep with conduit they couldn't tell what it was It's basically a mess Yeah, some of that's existing and there's not a back Are you taking it off the side underneath it and reinstalling? The things that we can't some of that are gas lines that run directly up to The second floor So they're talking right now currently about like what's the best way to do it There's been times where we've just had those painted as a color match So that it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb You know, and then it just kind of blends in as you're driving by, you know with some of this Buildings like this. It's really hard to deal with the way that everything is exterior exterior I would imagine that the the electrical Is staying if the conduit can get painted out Anything that can be taken down and rerun or anything it can be taken down and hidden like that's the plan It's a clean it up The gas line was the one that was jumping out with a unit strut on the side The whore the vertical on there's a way to reroute that so that doesn't have to go back like that. Okay, uh, if it does Certainly understand sort of the the less unit strut we can have hanging out the sides of the conduit The very least we'll have it painted but i'm going to put a suggestion in the owner to have their hvc guy Like run a separate line They were already out there with the maintenance man checking to see what was Dead what was alive what was bad and what was good? And then I think my last item on the west elevation was the No, sorry two items The gable at the back again. There's some pretty decorative stuff going on there The horizontal band below it looks as if you were keeping but then the freeze boards up underneath the eaves And the vertical centerpiece and the diagonal siding up in the gable It looked as if all of that is just getting sided over I'm honestly Our main focus was to Just get it covered and to keep the historical Like look of the front so if that's something that we want you want us to maintain is that Like maybe some shakes in the gable or keep the freeze boards and stuff like that We can do that if if you're able to keep the the elements that are sort of the trim pieces to Trim those out And then the field of the gable is just an infill with one of the decorative panels that you're using from the front That would certainly satisfy me. Okay Okay It just seemed that with just that horizontal being picked up the transition of the refline Seemed strange that that gable infill just got a lot heavier seeming And then the garage which we can just see in this picture is anything happening to that to tie it into the house Not currently. Okay. Maybe it's getting knocked down next year. I'm not sure So right now I have not contracted for anything on that and then on the east side I assumed that the stairs platform those are all staying there just weren't in the rendering correct But then there were a couple of windows That look as if they're being covered that they're already infilled. You're just going to side over those. Yes Uh, and then the bigger question was the bay window toward the back Was not shown as a bay. I'm assuming you're not changing those That was just easier to model than yeah, like we have nothing currently to change that out We're going to be siding around it and trimming it out Okay That was it for my questions. Thanks for letting me hog the time here Other questions comments concerns All right Uh, any rebuttals to any of the stuff that I was proposing people think better ways to do it or More reasonable requests. Those are all good details. Okay um I guess then on the east elevation there was nothing on the west elevation it was to Gasline and shakes minimize the impact of the the surface mounted utilities Uh, there's a window or there might even be a window to board up over there Yeah, top left. I think you're getting rid of that one that It's already filled in so so be it The that rear gable on the west elevation Just to keep the trim Exposed and then use an infill panel to match something from the front at the gable I don't think everything else is on the front. Yeah And then the front elevation to maintain the cornice and brackets Bring these down Okay And the the decorative infills between the brackets to maintain the two bands of decorative siding of some sort At the first floor level to case out the faux transom At the front door if that was it. What are you going to do with those beautiful mailboxes? That I'm not going to do anything with those So I'll make that motion, please second Thank you. So that's turned into a motion And a second is everyone understanding what the motion included Any further discussion none all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Motion is approved. Nice. Thank you very much. I'll be nice to see you tidy it up. Thank you All right, um, are you going to email me like the I figured as much. Thanks. Thanks Nick All right, that brings us then back to item number five the proposed construction of new bathroom edition at the shboygan bp at 10 30 south 14th Scott if you can you know the drill introduce yourself and tell us what's being proposed, please Hi scott metullo with the spire architecture and design and we are Proposing a small addition on to the gas station that is on the corner of 14th and indiana So that's kind of the existing set up once that gets Blown up to full size Or does it kind of stay that way? Okay, that's fine. Um, let's go back to the existing pictures so basically Where that brick is on the older building the the uh, 19 I don't know 70s 60s whatever building um We're gonna kind of come out there and my client is looking to basically Redo his bathrooms expand out. There's not enough room inside the building So we thought it would be like a natural like transition point to kind of tie those two buildings together Um, and so that's what we're doing. So if you want to go to one of the elevations So that's south elevation. You're kind of looking at it from the street so We thought we'd like to go like a little bit higher kind of create a more natural transition because the way the existing um Green roof kind of ties in it's just kind of it doesn't really have like the best break there so We thought that would be kind of a good break that way and um If you can go down to the end there should be some renderings Which I see I guess that yeah, I guess that's what I have. Okay This are really blue on that screen and don't look like that on my computer Um, but anyway, so that's what we're that's basically what we're doing. Um We are um, we're gonna match the siding we're gonna match the trim um The windows are gonna match what the windows are in that restaurant portion Um, we're gonna we wanted to go like kind of taller to kind of get above that rough We're adding some windows like up above in that taller area. It's really going to be like a glorified attic storage space basically um I I didn't want to go with the green roof So I went with a clear galvanized metal roof on that higher pitched roof is kind of a kind of a terminus between the two buildings And um, yeah, and the siding is going to match that part of the restaurant part of the building And then the that entire south facade of the older 1950s building There's like an old doorway that's there so and then there's some brick underneath the um Glazing so we're just going to make that whole side all All the fiber cement siding to match the the uh restaurant portion And that's Kind of what we're looking to do Anyone else want to go first this time? No, it's so much more fun I was hoping you'd save your best for me Um, certainly understand what you're trying to do there scott. I think putting that note in there as a transition works well um, my my only questions really had to do with The forms and materials that you're using for the roof that it's already kind of a busy building With different roofs going on there's the the flat the gable that the real shallow gable The the canopy the flat projecting sort of awning piece at the restaurant Well, I look at elements got a different gable and it's a different material It just wonder if it's too separate from everything else. Well between you and me. I don't like the green So I didn't I wasn't going to do that um Didn't really like how the flat looked and I actually did a scheme where I kind of extended that flat canopy that's over the entry kind of around there and it that actually to me seemed a little bit more busy um, I think at street level. I think it kind of Ties it in I think a little bit Um, maybe more than a than like kind of like a bird's eye view I would say so that would that's my rationale and reasoning for that Perhaps I would encourage the owner to actually maybe if we go with the same Maybe we can go with the same roof at some point on that mansard and get rid of that green I think that would that would help tie things in. Yeah Um, but I I didn't think a flat roof kind of worked, but we can we can explore it and see um Is on your your east elevation And the existing roof is shown as the gray which would certainly help But that that was the elevation that jumped out at me that it was just Lots of different stuff going on which one the the top the east elevation. Okay, the one up there. Yeah I mean, I I don't I don't know. I mean that's um I mean this building's been added on to a few times and I I think I've to be quite honest. I didn't really analyze The stuff to the right side There's a big canopy in front of it. So I don't think it really You know, I don't think it's something that you look at that you look at it and say well I want to go I want to match the pitch of that little um, that gable that's that's kind of over The windows, I mean we can look at it if it's if it's something that's that important We can look at changing the pitch. I just my opinion is aesthetically that this pitch looks would work better than that personally the fact that it was so different and Wasn't doing anything to tie these various pieces together We've got mansard. We've got gable. We've got flat. We've got canopy and now we're introducing a different gable and a different material Oh, I there's not a rule that says everything has to be the same No, but this is a and I think I think what this does here is this when you look at that corner that ties it together I think when you're looking at this in the site, there's a you know I think we're all kind of forgetting here that there's a huge 20 some foot tall canopy and I don't know six or eight different Guest tanks there so I don't yeah, I don't see that personally as an issue I mean ideally I would love to go back at some point wrap around the side of the building and and tie that all in And I I think I disagree with you scott on the view and the perceptions and this is the street view the Front of the building is very visible under the canopy and past the pumps right and I'm looking at that Tell me on this view where you see the canopy. I'm not the canopy. Where where you see our new rough It's behind the canopy Until I get to the corner or I'm on Is that 14th? And then it's right there and I'm seeing all of it I just feel for such a small building that's cluttered already Yeah, you talked about this thing unifying it and it well, I think what we're doing is making this a focal point Is what we're doing and I don't think there's any focal point on this building anywhere. So now we're creating the focal point I miss doing this. It's kind of fun having the height And the mass of the building the way you have it I agree. I think that that is a focal point in a hub Could work well I just think for it to be so foreign in its language To all the different pieces that are there and ideally it would have taken In my mind Some of the existing building with the green roof or the gable at mansard Some of the restaurant and kind of woven the two together somehow Well, I think we did we we matched the the materials of the of the restaurant Well, but not the roof. Well, I think I think that I think that roof is an eyesore Personally, we're still there, but we're but we're minimizing it We're make we're making it better At the end of the day, we're making it better And that we're made we're not making that mansard We're making that mansard less of a feature than it is right now I'm having a hard time buying that the mansard's still there. We're covering up part of it But not in any way that So what do you want me to do these together? I'm not sure I guess one option I wondered about was putting a flat roof on it similar to the restaurant Another would be to just go with a shed roof with the same pitch as half of The existing gable at the front of the gas station um Just looking for some element of the existing Getting brought into that new piece that you're adding rather than something completely foreign Well, I don't believe it's foreign It stayed in my opinion other folks on the board Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts We look at this super quick here. I better save this as something else so I don't ruin my existing file But this one is joe's idea. All right Me a second I can share this if you guys are interested So you're sending images to a lease or I am redesigning it as we speak here But where would I where would you guys want me to I can send this or something you can email them to me if you'd like Or is it can we Well Shoot I didn't bring my adapter do we have cables that we can make do you have any I did not well Is the podium all prepped with Unless you have a usbc What is it well the the other thing you can do is What cable would you need? I need a usbc usbc to hb di hdmi or dmi whatever they're called but here I can do this too. I got there's always a solution that can be rendered but Do this All right, who am I who am I emailing this to or could I text or email or what's the easiest here? You tap in via what's on the screen What What The way it says on the screen I'm sorry. What am I looking at here for to to to airplay you mean or for Oh Oh, yeah, okay. I can airplay I believe this is airplay console chambers. Okay, hold on a second here There's airplay yet. Let's do it this way I'm only seeing my computer pop up here You can just bring it back Just bring it back Do you see what you needed? Um, I Prefer that granted it's it's a little boring if you wanted to do it as a shed roof scott matching the gable Of the front well sheds pitching from low side on the The restroom entry side up You wouldn't necessarily have to be as high with it as you were with the gable then I'm assuming that's a portable That concept. Yeah, whatever the pitch of that front gable is it looks pretty close there You say you didn't like that So I Is flat an option are there things that they Our preference is a pitch because that's what we came in at We can talk to my I can talk to my client and See what he says Can you get my swing back? Oh, I didn't take that did I? No, no To me I I did much prefer the flat roof to the the gable That it's that gable element that's just foreign to Everything else. It's one more element that's thrown in there. So rather than Being more cohesive with this it just feels to me like we're adding one more layer of clutter to the building but You guys may have totally different opinions I I just know what what what you did scott. It looked like it in that view. It had more of a linear appearance which I thought was a little less This one Well the one that you showed us before. Yeah, I just thought that that just had a more linear look to it Didn't uh create an eyesore. I don't feel like you're almost an eyesore No, I see a point. I just I think from a clean look on that corner, which is a High volume corner. I go buy it every day I think that look is better in my opinion So I make a motion to approve that one Subject to owner approval and staff recommendations We have a motion and a second everyone clear on the motion in front of us And if the owner doesn't like that then it's up to them to come back with a Proposal for either the same thing again or something different So any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Motion is approved Thank you scott. Thanks for going back to the owner for us Next meeting is currently scheduled for september 11th. Is there a schedule change with them? Usually the first Tuesday afternoon When you have holidays Let us know if it's different. Okay, so we're planning unless we hear otherwise september 11th any additional items All in favor. All right. All right. Thanks everyone. Appreciate it. Yes