 Week Camel up Boulevard everybody else fared great. We had about 20 guys out there I'm plugging catch basins all that wind we had debris that came down and the debris was plugging basins We get we are all at all night cleaning those and we had two tree crews all cutting up trees We're still cutting them up As we speak and we should be done cleaning up the damage by the end of the week and today we've spent probably $20,000 with The wages and equipment usage right now in the cleanup Thank you very much Thank You mr. Mayor, could I just ask you a question remember I asked you about 17th and Ashland if you could just say this Yes, I'm thinking national in the water came up above the curb To the sidewalk and that's about No, that's the hundred-year storm event are close to it and that was calculated That's just be a little bit of flooding in the pavement area an intersection, but everything that worked fine that emptied out right away Well, I'm balling. Hold on Tom. I Thank you your honor. This is also a Suggestion of mr. Eberg also Okay, so give credit to both of us if you could please The question I would have for time if I could address him sure would be how did the sewage? Plant think handle it the treatment plant was fine. It was a quick Downburst so everything ran off pretty quickly We lost power at the North Avenue pump station the generator kicked in right away The water no high water alarms at any of the stations everything worked great as far as the wastewater side after thank you Tom After the the thunderstorm I drove around with chief Zaire and got to see firsthand the Great work that our staff does firefighters police and the public works They did an excellent job our dispatching unit Dispatchers unit that were part of this job and receiving the calls and channel them out the way they needed to so all in all It worked out just great Thank you I'll call the 12th regular meeting of the Common Council order in the city clerk. Would you please call the roll? Bowman D. Berg Eberg Serta Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and Vander wheel 16 present forums present parole of the minutes all the McGrath Thank you your honor I would move that we dispense with the reading of the minutes of the previous Common Council meeting and the same stand approved as entered on the record There's a motion in the second under discussion There being on all those in favor please state I any opposed motion carries Pledge of Allegiance I'd ask all of them to golly to please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you all to Miss a golly Madam city clerk plate of public forum First on the list is Scott Lewandusky Scott could you give me your home address, please? 2201 Erie Avenue And you will have five minutes. Okay Thanks for giving me this chance to speak tonight Last week Mayor Perez held the last of his listening sessions I want to thank me or for Perez for holding these listening sessions I attended 14 of the 16 sessions and in each one Mayor Perez explained how deep and trouble Sheboygan is With re-spending versus income and that we have to see what has a higher priority to spend money on compared to lower priority items We also have to spend the money that we have wisely and not waste it Yet this common council continues to waste money The most recent example was that last week's committee at a whole meeting when it was voted on by the majority of the older persons to throw $35,000 of the taxpayers money away This was done when a study by experts in the airfield Which the city paid $35,000 for was ignored This study reported that the worst site for the new police station was the van der Waart site and The best site was on 23rd Street Van der Waart would also cost one million dollars more to build on than a 23rd Street site But this information from experts was ignored This is another case in a majority of the common council not listening But being narrow-minded You were each elected to represent the people and to look at things with an open mind But you cannot look at the Zimmerman report with an open mind When you vote down the best site and Approved the worst site according to this 71 page report. I have to wonder how many of you even read the whole report We all need to work together to get city expenses to meet city income Last year the common council approved spending 10 million dollars for a new police station this year You raised it to 17 million a 70% increase How many citizens of Sheboygan have had a 70% increase in their income during the past year? And if the police station is built on Nirvana of art site the Zimmerman report says that it would cost over 19 million dollars Almost a hundred percent over what was approved last year There is very little fiscal responsibility on this common council Which is desperately needed to solve the budget problems we have That is why I am announcing tonight that I will be running for a third district Alderman in the spring 2006 election Thank You Scott Next on the list is Carter Paulus Carter could I have your home address, please? 414 Erie Avenue and Carter you will have five minutes Well, thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight Boy, this is one. I sure would be rather doing something else than this I Was prepared to make other comments but in light of an original email that came into my possession last week The events of the last few months Must be brought forward and dealt with This particular email as written Commits a slanderous act against me by the author Sharon Winkle Director of the library in Determining that I took a list of library foundation board members information from the library and Further asks all board members to close off any communication with me and Here's the smoking gun right here in black and white This started with my simple desire To alert the library and the library foundation of the potential $12,500 a year added earnings from a large bequest to the library last May The library foundation board list was sent to me and received on May 13th 2005 from the library secretary Here's the smoking gun right here and Here is the original list of the library Foundation board members as sent to me with my own handwriting filling in the Addresses the telephone numbers and then finding the emails were possible on the internet It seems to me to think That I have survived over 76 years on this planet Worrying I've had military secret clearances concerning atomic submarines national aeronautics and space administration stabilization platforms and Many other devices even secret today Along with bonded fiduciary information responsibilities broker licenses management positions etc Which I would throw all away For some email addresses that I'm perfectly capable of finding myself on the internet Defies description I'm angry I'm incensed I'm furious We want to hear what you have to say, but we need to maintain control and very very difficult to do All this From an officious little bureaucratic library director overpaid $92,000 a year and Has no compunction to ask for an additional management raise for the next two years When it is well known the city doesn't have the energy Also boggles the mind and here it is the entire city's payroll What a joke if I had that much fat. I would have been dead a decade ago These actions become even weirder When we find that and I learned that this afternoon not one but two attorneys and a judge sit on the foundation board and May or may not be aware of this director's specious conduct And I believe if you look it up and Webster's dictionary specious says it all This conduct continues The August 25 2005 library trustee meeting Resulted in the library director Further accusing me of recording the meeting and then saying so at the end of the meeting Excuse me Carter. I'm sorry the five minutes are up. Are you gonna allow me to finish the next two lines? All of my sushi like to make a motion to allow me to finish There's a motion open to floor to come slowly mr. Carter can finish his Orage to us. Is there a second? There's a second any discussion on that Not all those in favor state aye Any opposed? Take a roll call And I would be to allow them to continue Balmain D-Berg E-Berg Certa Davis graph Kittleson Manny Myer Monta Mayor Ratke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel 12 eyes for nose ocean carriers, please continue mr. Carter. Thank you Further let's see The 820 505 library trustee meeting resulted in the library director further accusing me of recording the meeting And saying so at the end of the meeting none of which took place This behavioral conduct is Suggestive of a more superior serious problem. I Believe as Winston Churchill said I Think enough technical and exact attitudes have been committed And it's a serious problem I Must ask at this time That any further action in this matter will be conditioned on the library director's tenure and That the powers that be I've been asked to change two words and The words I'm using publicly are take action, but if you don't know what I'm meaning then I Give up But whatever action the board takes should be done in the best interests of the city Thank you very much. Thank you All of us are there Thank you, Ron are given those serious charges I noticed that Sharon Winkle is in the gallery and I'd like to make a motion to open the floor to her To respond to these charges There's a motion the second to open the Do you wish to respond at all or do you wish to not please do her elsewhere I would simply say that During the course of the past several months, it's become apparent that regarding Public policy related to library operations that Carter policy, and I disagree And I find it unfortunate that he has chosen to pursue his disagreement with me in the form of a personal attack It's okay if we disagree that's fine. In fact, it's our privilege in this country But to make a personal attack that's unfounded I don't think is appropriate. It's been made. It will have to be dealt with I don't think the council floor of this evening is the place to do that I would simply close by saying that although Mr. Paulus has chosen to make a personal attack in the course of disagreements about public policy that I Will not respond in kind Thank you Thank You, Ms. Winkle Aldermas a golly Thank You, Mr. Mayor. If I remember correctly when we first started when when you came Our new mayor you had decorum of the council and Part of that decorum of the council was that people were not going to be coming up to the public forum and Starting to I guess the best word that I would know how to say is slam another person It's happened when people have talked about all the persons Which you said that was not going to happen and now you have what took place this evening And I think if it without the respect I think this needs to be followed Just maybe a little bit more closely and that people need to understand a public forum is not one that you Abuse you're there. We're here to listen to them, but not to go after another person Thank you, Mr. Golly In response to that there is a very thin line that people walk when you deal with freedom of speech. I Did call his attention to order, but I will not deny anyone the right to speech And if they we don't agree with them a lot of times. I've not agreed with people It's just the way it is but there's a thin line and I was watching very closely I just felt that it wasn't necessary to to to stop Until it got to that point where there was a little a little too much excitement But I appreciate your comments and you're correct We need to be mindful and watchful of our decorum not just ourselves But the gallery also and I asked for your assistance and then in that manner Please keep reminding me should I forget I appreciate that? Thank you We will move on we have election of board of Water Works commissioner old man graph Thank You your honor At this time I I move that the nominations be received from the floor Voting to be done by open ballot if more than two candidates are nominated the candidate with the lowest number of votes Be dropped from the list and balloting continue until one candidate receives a majority During the past month I received one nomination and I'd place the name of Michael J. Schrader Into nomination for the board of water commissioners There's a motion in a second or there are any other nominations or there any other nominations Mr. Schrader would you like to address the council sir There's a motion in a second to open the floor for mr. Schrader All those in favor state I any oppose mr. Schrader, please Thank You your honor and Your honor in the present the council members of the county council When a family or an individual or a business chooses to move to a city they look at quality of life in that city and Here in Sheboygan. We're blessed with a lot of great things that are part of our city part of our our quality of life we have We would look at the The police protection fire protection lack of crying Committee efforts to to work together toward Things that are needed in the community and in the attitude and also water might be an issue We're blessed here in Sheboygan being next to a very large body of water and over the years we've had Some issues we've had to address on the water utility board Cryptosporidium zebra mussels and more recently water freezing in the intake lines and the Utility and the water and the board members have addressed those issues one by one and continue to Advance to to find corrections to those and and solve some of those problems. I've had the privilege to have been part of that I'm certainly not going to be Take credit for any of that It's been an effort of the hard work and efforts and a team spirit at the water utility The superintendent and all the employees and overseen by the board of Water Utility Commissioners So I asked that you again Look upon my nomination and the election favorably and and I hope to continue to serve the city with the interests of the citizens At their at the most high level All these things we've done with the city Water utility has been at no cost to the city taxpayers It's all been borne by the the water users as a matter of fact our water rates are if not the lowest the second lowest in State of Wisconsin And we're going to work to continue that We're rather conservative bunch and for those of you who might be interested The renumeration for the water board members is the same as was established in 1929. So that should be of interest to you So again, thanks for considering my nomination. I asked for your support. Thank you Thank you, Mr. Trader All of them on Eberg. Yes, I would move that nominations be closed another unanimous spell be cast for mr. Schrader There's a motion to second all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries Take a vote on that nomination or that's fine. That's fine unanimous valid. Take care Okay Congratulations to Trader Next on the agenda we have mayor's comments wanted a briefly touch on three items today One being the listening sessions that I've scheduled throughout the community. I Have held every one of those 16 listening sessions two in each district one in the morning one in the evening They were well attended. I have done three separate ones one at senior center one at Rotary West and one at El Trusa I still have three more to do that will give us a total of 22 listening sessions We had About 371 people who attended Approximately 265 of those were non a Duplicated count so we had 265 new people in all those 16 and know those listening sessions that we've had The responses were mixed But there were certain things that kept bubbling up With respect to some of the issues that were important to the city Some of the some of the issues that kept bubbling up to the top surfacing to the top where the taxes were too high Shared services and spending health insurance of city workers Communications and relationship between the council and the citizens With respect to what was welcome well in the city government some of the things that kept but bubbling up where the garbage collection police and fire departments City is good for families and the bus system was good What was not working well in our city government? Taxes and fees people felt that that wasn't one of things that they wanted or liked shared services between the city and the county People felt needed work communications between the council and the citizens They felt needed work and the police and the fire get too much money. It was a common server made With respect to other issues that concerned the public during those listening sessions Forum or wage wages and health insurance of city employees cost of unions management of city departments and the common council those are the comments that were made in that respect Overall, I consider the 16 and the additional three very very successful when we Decided to do this. We expected about a hundred people a non-duplicate account that would have given us a Good number from which to derive some credibility and some generalization Of the fact that we got 200 to 371 Does a job a little better? So we'll be able to to continue with the next step which is to put a survey together and Hand it out to the public hand it out to the employees and anybody else who wants it the next item I briefly want to touch on is of Department heads budget meetings. We've completed those I've met with every department head We've talked about their budgets the concerns the city is facing with respect to finances Overall, I say that department heads were very very cooperative very understanding They understand that times aren't easy right now. We've got some very hard times I appreciate their their concerns and and their feelings towards are what we're experiencing There are two areas that I would ask the council to please be very keen about And take a real close look. These are two areas two departments that we just cannot absolutely afford to do any more cuts those two areas or the finance remember somebody's got to write all those checks out and city clerk Sue is just Swump with work her work is not going to get into any lighter Just we just cannot afford To cut any more of her budget. So please keep that in mind The next item that I'd like to briefly touch on is spaceport. Sheboygan. I was at the last meeting with the sdc Things are moving along quite well The consultants are working with a plan on how to raise money they're putting together a very elaborate plan on how to raise 11 million dollars three million dollars from the state and different Corporations and 11 million dollars from the federal government Now that sounds like a lot of money and It is a lot of money, but they feel very comfortable that there will be able to achieve that goal And I am just thrilled that they have so much energy and enthusiasm and excitement about the project I feel the same way they do and I know every one of you does too because when the vote was taken to move them forward The vote was unanimous the The sdc meets I believe once a month Paulette Andrews and I meet with them as I get information Trickled down to my office. I will present it to you as we move along That will take care of the mayor's reports Next we have a hearing To amend the zoning map to change the use district classification of property located at 28 38 Washington Avenue From class hi heavy industrial to class sc suburban commercial classification Is there anyone that wishes to be heard is the unit? Is there anyone that would like to be heard? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Alderman graph Thank you, Your Honor. I would move that the hearing be closed There's a motion to second the closed hearing any discussion on that If not all those in favor state I any oppose Motion carries. Thank you consent agenda 12 1 to 1232 Alderman graph. Thank you, Your Honor before we do the consent agenda. I'd like to pull forward document 1253 Pulling forward document 1253 Reportive committee That's the RC. That's from the committee of the whole That recommends the the addition to city hall site and the Vandervaart sites as possible locations For the new police station and that all other potential sites be eliminated. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted There's a motion to accept and adopt all 53. Yes. There's their second Second under discussion Alderman Eber Thank you, Your Honor under discussion I will be voting no and I hope that I can convince seven or eight of you to join me in the process I think there are a couple of factors that I'd like to discuss number one is we've already spent a substantial amount of money of Studying all the sites. I wouldn't see anything That would deter us from completing the process by including 23rd Street in the site Selection process another factor that I think looms large is 23rd Street Was the first site chosen overall and also the second site preferred by the police department Couple of thoughts to consider when you read the Zimmerman report closely Zimmerman recommends an offset of one million dollars primarily to acquire parking in the downtown area That one million dollars He suggests we strategically move to control adjacent properties as they become available To make this campus viable for future councils in the populace This means taking historic sites off of our property tax roll Another consideration we need to look at is the courthouse I think you can't help but drive down that those those narrow streets and find that that is indeed a computer Computer-impacted parking area some days. I doubt if we could get a ladder truck down there where there are fire in one of those older homes The June 28th 05 memo that Address that noted that in order for the county to Remediate the parking problem. They would have to likely deck the parking lot That cost would be three point seven five million dollars to put a decking on the parking lot The alternative is to acquire property in the historic Ellis district and take Property off of the tax rolls faced with spending five million dollars in parking I find it hard to make a compelling argument for removing the 23rd Street site from consideration and for that purpose I will be voting no one and inviting all of you to join me Thank you all of them on debug. Thank you your honor I'll support this and keep 23rd Street site off the table because it affect all this Three million dollar parking ramps and that they've been talking for years on this and they ain't got the money to do it And they're not going to be doing it. They're nothing but scare tactics. That's all it is Thank you all of them debug all of them Stefan Thank you your honor. I Heard something tonight, and I think it's important to hear that, you know, we didn't waste money with this study We had him ranked and you know Everybody's got a little angle to say oh, they forgot about this parking out. They forgot about this They did the best they could but the key was they came back and told us all five of these sites are viable for a police station So I think we've got to move forward. I support, you know narrowing it down and going forward There's you know nothing in my mind that we don't know that we want to know I mean if you you know if you haven't gotten it now You haven't asked for it because every time we've asked for information We've gotten it you made the decision last week, and I think we should move forward with it Thank you Alderman Stefan Alderman Vanderweel Thank you, your honor. I agree with Alderman Stefan I've got many phone calls about the police station over the last two years and a few of them want the North 23rd Street site The people who call me but the large majority say anywhere but North 23rd, so I will Stay with my decision and vote for those two sites. Thank you anyone else If not, we will Call the rule This is to accept and adopt the reporter committee, so then I vote would be to do that D. Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Racky Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderweal and Bowman ten eyes six nose Motion carries Alderman Grop, thank you, your honor at this time, then I'd like to have a resolution drafted from the floor that would state that the police site will be built on the addition to the new police station and That we will eliminate the Vanderweal site There's a motion in the second under discussion under discussion your honor I believe there's some additional information that we have we'd requested some additional information on on what may what the the appraisal is on the van der Barth property and and if we need an environmental Impact state study or whatever it may be called and I believe those things have already been taken care of by the van der Barth people and that the the cost Came in from their their study at one million $500,000 or something or what nine one million nine hundred thousand dollars was a hundred thousand dollars an acre Okay, a hundred thousand dollars an acre and that they had already done an environmental study that proved that That they have taken care of that, but at this particular time I don't believe we as a council can can afford to spend out money and wait for somebody to to come and buy it and Return to us a hundred thousand dollars an acre when we're giving up land That's only worth twenty two thousand dollars an acre if I may continue also Supposedly one of the last or a couple of the last people that we couldn't get a hold of a week ago We've now been in contact with or somebody has been in contact with and they had said right now They have no interest in paying a hundred thousand dollars an acre for for land that four years ago or five years ago They could have purchased for like twenty two or twenty three thousand dollars and based on all that information that Has been out there and has been gathered either by yourself or your office staff or or some other other persons I had to make this motion tonight that we eliminate the van der Barth site and then Choose as our new police station site the city hall addition Thank you all man graph. This is a as an explanation We did receive today Towards the end of the day a letter from from van der Barth and I can make copies of this letter available to the alderman but one of my concerns was the the phase one which and the Appraisal after I gave it a little bit more thought I'm thinking why are we going to go out and spend money to do the Same thing that they've already done Why not ask them to see if they will share the phase one and the appraisal? They shared the phase one we have a copy of that and I intend to meet with the mr. Tom Houlton and Paulette Andrews to discuss that What they didn't share is the appraisal They did not share that because they paid $1,900 for the appraisal if the council Wants the portion that describes the appraisal for that property They are charging us $1,300 just to see it for a copy of it My purpose in asking them for the appraisal Was one of respect I did not want to second guess or question their integrity and their numbers when they said their property was worth $100,000 an acre I Wanted to see their appraisal so that we could just move on why spend any more money ourselves the Appraiser who did the appraisal is mr. Pete Schill's from Routeman Schill's he's very reputable very experienced I Talked to a couple of realtors about that and they told me if that's the appraisal that Pete Schill's gave you that's the appraisal you're gonna get back So quite frankly if we go out and pay what you have the opportunity in the liberty to do We're just gonna get a very duplicated appraisal Because he's very recognized and very reputable in the community So where we're at now is we have the phase one and I believe there's a resolution on on the agenda tonight We have a copy of their phase one We have a copy of their letter and their invoice It tells us that they paid $1,900, but they will not share that appraisal the actual wording unless we pay them $1,300. Okay Under further discussion Alderman D. Bird. Thank you your honor. I Won't support the Alderman graph on using the site here because of the fact what you're gonna do is you're gonna box yourself in here You won't the parking is gonna be atrocious and that's one of the biggest problems. We have down in this area is parking and We're not gonna be you're not gonna have yourself a very good functional police department In that little area behind here. I'm sorry. Thank you. All of them bird. All of them graph Thank you your honor. I did look at the parking and Based on the number of officers we have in the and the staff we have in the police department and staff We have in the in the city hall per se We're operating with that problem right now and within the next couple years I think we can look at other situations Other parking lots that we do have that we maybe have to take away from from parking utility and maybe claim that as our own and that's something we can do in the future Once the station is up and running and once we we see what how much of a problem there is with parking Thank you all rough Alderman Meyer Thank You your honor. I received most of my phone calls from my constituents wanting 23rd Street I did get a call from one family that Supported Vandervaart, but after all the information that has come out about Vandervaart We just cannot afford that piece of land and I know the police chief made a comment last week on the radio that That's not his problem the money that we are spending on the property They just want to pick a site, but that is our problem We are here for the taxpayers to represent them and we cannot just keep spending money We do not have and as far as parking goes down here. We have a bus system right out here We can take the bus to work if we have to we do not have to supply parking So I am going to support Alderman Groff's Resolution to narrow it down to the City Hall site because we cannot afford Vandervaart site Thank You Alderman Meyer Alderman Sarah Thank You your honor if there's one thing I'm happy about Alderman Groff's resolution is that it finally lays the cards out on the Table that if we're earnest about pursuing and looking at Vandervaart and keeping an open mind at least We'd wait until everything was brought in but I'm just glad that hopefully this resolution puts everything to rest and where our true Intentions are we they're going to do it here or we were going to earnestly look at Vandervaart But if we're going to be talking about numbers and 23rd Street site keeps coming up if you do the math on 23rd Street site The county was asking for a hundred and sixty two thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars for the land a hundred and thirty seven thousand five hundred For the replacement of the sultry combined with their assessment value of our parking lot at three hundred and twenty six thousand And we have to incorporate the ten thousand dollars of revenue that we get for that parking on an annual basis That comes out to six hundred and thirty six dollars and two hundred and fifty cents Divide that by the three point six zero acreage that is available because I know they've said and come here and says we Have four but up until this point We are only guaranteed through that resolution six three point six zero you divide that out We are willing to pay for 23rd Street site a hundred and seventy six thousand seven hundred and thirty six dollars and eleven cents per Acre out there, but we can't afford Vandervaart Hundred thousand per acre now if you would incorporate our cost of what we actually built that parking lot for That's four hundred and ninety eight thousand so that averages out to 224 thousand five hundred and thirteen dollars and eighty eight cents per acre for north twenty-third Street site Now let's look at Vandervaart if we're gonna be fair Hundred thousand dollars an acre times fifteen acres that comes out to one point five million dollars if we do and pursue a land swap deal out at the Highway 42 they were inquiring of twenty acres Times twenty two thousand which is what is our going rate in the industrial park area? That's four hundred and forty thousand dollars So that brings the cost down to a one million sixty thousand dollars I spoke with Vandervaart and as the communication which they submitted With the meeting that we had to them that was public knowledge They're willing to give us some materials at a competitive competitive price We still don't know what that will come out to but we're gonna have to minus that off our costs They're willing to do that for us Secondly I spoke with them. They said and you know what we'll sweeten the deal even more We'll give you twenty thousand yards of clean fill for your taking that averages out to about sixty thousand dollars So there we're under a million dollars Now let me just add this there's very few things As far as tangible assets that appreciate over time And one of those things are land and real real estate This is going to take a visionary mentality As far as the Zimmerman report is concerned I think it was said here Wherever we tell him to build it. He's going to build it if we can work together on keeping those costs down We can I think when you put all those numbers together Vandervaart clearly looks like the best site Thank you all. I'm sorry to Alderman Davis Thank you. I remember Either site here is a responsible Decision to make to pick the site either site Uh, I've I've always said that the Vandervaart site will take itself off the table by the cost of the land there and uh That's otherwise it suits our needs. It does everything we need. We have parking there We have future expansion. We could uh, we could sell the land But right now and it's in this situation Uh, Vandervaart in my book took it out itself off the table because of the cost You know, I like I like both sites, you know, my top two picks But one thing I'm sure I'm glad of is that, you know, we we finally kicked that dead horse 23rd street off this off this council here, you know and the conversation that's done Thank you Thank you. Alderman Davis. Alderman Ratke Thank you your honor. Um, I'll support this Biggest thing with Vandervaart is we keep talking about a land swap deal. The land swap we're looking at is I believe in the Heisen property, which is actually not even in the city It doesn't do the city of shaboy get any good benefits the town of shaboy get So where do we come out a winner in this thing? So I'll support this tonight Thank you. Alderman Ratke. Okay. We will call the roll Please explain the vote Um, this is a resolution that's been drafted from the floor Correct me if I'm wrong Alderman graff, but the resolution would basically state that we choose the police site will be built on The addition to city hall and we will eliminate the Vandervaart site from the running Is that correct? So an aye vote would be to choose city hall as the site for the police station Everybody okay on that? Okay, eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Sigali Stefan Hi Susha Hi Van Akron No Vanderweel Hi Bauman And deeberg No 11 ayes, five no's Motion carries Back to consent agenda And at this time I'd like to pull 1265 forward Which was the resolution where we were going to hire an outside appraiser and conduct a phase one environmental 1255 65 1265 And I move that that resolution be filed There's a motion to second to file resolution number 11 Number 1210506 No, wait a minute. No This one right here 1265 1265 It's on this page here. Okay Motion to file and there's a second under discussion All those in favor say aye Aye Any opposed? Motion carries Okay All in the graph Thank you, your honor under the consent agenda, which is items 12-1 through 12-32 I would move that we accept and file all our O's Accept and adopt all our C's Pass resolutions and general ordinances Is there a second? Second Under discussion All in favor Thank you, your honor. I'd like to refer 12-14 back to Celery and Grieven Second You don't need a motion 12-14 to where now? Correct. Celery and Grieven 12-14 will be referred to Celery and Grieven's We won't need a motion a second Alderman Byrd. Thank you Please note 12-14 Celery and Grieven's Any other? Alderman Stephan Thank you, your honor. I don't wish to pull it for a vote but Somewhere in 12-17 of the various documents we discussed last week at committee of the whole and uh After going home and thinking about it I think that you know a lot of things were said accusations were made and and the one thing that wasn't said was An apology to genistiter and I'd just like to tell her at least on my behalf I'm think I'm sorry for the way she was treated. Thank you Apologize you don't it. Thank you Alderman Stephan Okay consent agenda going back 12-1 12-32 accepting 12-14 which will go to Celery and Grieven's All those in favor state I Any opposed motion carries Communications and petitions 12-33 to 12-35 to be referred report of officers 12-36 By the city clerk submitting a communication from Gina Steinhard stating her up Stating her upset on how she was treated at a public protection and safety meeting Is there a motion to accept and file? There's a motion the second to accept them file and accept and file under discussion Not all those in favor state. Aye. Any opposed motion carries 12-37 Will lie over 12-38 Report by the city plan commission Recommendant annexing territory from the town of shabuagan to the city of shabuagan situated on the south side of indiana avenue Alderman gruff We need a motion to pass the what is it reported committee and Passed and that the general ordinance be put upon its passage There's a motion the second under discussion Attorney mclean sir. Thank you, your honor. I'd just like to note for the council's information I believe you all have on your desks a letter from the department of administration that came in this morning that found that the They've reviewed the annexation and found found it to be in the public interest And it's a statutory requirement the department of administration has 20 days to respond And it's statutory that the council review that advice before they take action on the annexation so it's favorable review on their part its advisory but It's telling you in the state's view that it's in the public interest to do the annexation Thank you attorney mclean Take your vote all those in favor say aye We need to have a roll call. You need a roll call. Absolutely. Please excuse me. That's okay. We will take a roll call eberg serda davis gruff kittleson mani meyer monta mayor radkey sagali stefan susha van akron van der wheel bowman and deberg 16 ayes motion carries 1239 we'll lie over to october 17th meeting 1240 to 1248 to be referred 1249 i'm sorry All in van der wheel Thank you, your honor if i may just speak on 1246 to be referred I'd like to make a motion to file that um under discussion There's a motion second to file 1246 under discussion Because it seems to be a state manner And I think it should be handled internally So we're probably just filing a committee anyway We will prepare a letter advising the gentleman of that. Thank you alderman mani wheel alderman sagali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I agree with alderman van wheelie that this should not be Being referred to the committee of the holders of this file Thank you Okay, we're gonna where there's a motion the second to file 1246 any further discussion Not always in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries 1240 1248 as we stated earlier to be referred resolutions introduced 1249 lies over 1250 to 1252 to be referred 1253 has been taken care of Reporter committees 1254 by finance recommended adopting the vantage care retirement health savings program for meet public libraries Alderman graff Thank you, your honor. I would move that the Two rc's be accepted and adopted and the resolution they put upon its passage There's a motion. Is there a second? In a second to accept and adopt passage attach resolution under discussion If not, madame clerk, please call the roll Serda davis graff Kittleson mani meyer montemayor ratki sagali stefan susha van akron vander wheel balman de berg e berg 69 Motion carries all in a step and you had a question sir. I know I'm gonna make a motion on the next, okay I would move resolution 254 and 120 60506 be put upon the passage Which one? 12 it's 12 55 1255 resolutions it deals with and You said 1255 only or 1256 both. It's fine. We could take them both. I think there's okay And alderman stefan on the 1255 that would be the substitute resolution to pass. No, no, okay Okay, the motion is to accept and adopt The reporter committee. No. No to file. I just want to pass the documents as written And I'll explain that if I get a second. Okay Okay, there's a there's okay. There's a second under discussion alderman stefan. What's the second? Okay, um Basically the issue at hand is the 11 000 dollars for the water feature The committee took it out feeling it was probably better off spent From private industry. Um, I know we had hoped at that time. I think to to get somebody to come forward at the meeting it was mentioned that there was possibly somebody who was interested in in Paying the 11 000 dollars a year to keep the water Fault in going but that they wanted the naming rights for it And I guess I've been told I don't know if the mayor of susan heart somebody had conversations and That's not really very doable So I would move that we Do as we had originally planned at 11 000 dollars from room tax dollars to the bid budget On both sides expenses in the income as was originally written and support that I think You know, it's part of our downtown the ambiance People are constantly complaining. They don't like it running And this is a way of keeping it off the general tax thing and it is you know promoting the ambiance of downtown tourism Thank you. Thank you. Alderman stefan. Alderman sushi Thank you, mr. Mayor. I think that um the business improvement district is going to complement the new department of tourism quite nicely But at this point in time I don't feel that each of their individual roles has been clearly defined And what I'm finding is that there seems to be a fair amount of duplication of services In the budget that was presented to finance And this is my first year going through the budget process as an elder person But I have reviewed the city budget in previous years And I know that there's always a comparison of what you're asking for next year compared to the previous year And that's something we did not have in finance And over the weekend when I did look at what the business improvement district budget looked like last year and compared to what they're asking for Next year, I I realized that the finance department or the finance committee needs to look at this document More carefully because there were line items there last year that completely disappeared this year this year throughout the entire Document of their operating Descriptions they have scattered the word tourism development tourism Cultivation things like that and that's not necessarily the role of the business improvement district So what I'd like to do is refer 1255 back to finance for a more complete Discussion, thank you Can we take the Was there a second there's a second to refer back Under discussion alderman groff. Thank you. Yeah My first question was a point of order because I believe this came out of salary increase or excuse me out of finance with the substitute ordinance resolution To be put upon its passage changing it to the original Ordinance is not what the committee recommended to do. So I don't think that first motion Can be accepted on steve. I'm going to ask you if that's correct or not I I think you're right. I was going to clarify it but but sending it back to committee will address that issue also Attorney McLean, sir What is typically on the floor as it shows up on the council agenda is the report of committee Committee report was to Substitute document and make the change. I think procedurally it's best to act on a committee report However, it's submitted Up or down If you vote it down, then you've got the original document to act on You know, there's also been this well, I won't get off on other side issues but that that would be the my general take on it is that Properly the what's before the council initially is the finance committee's report and recommendation and Uh, you should act on their recommendation First I think and then to the extent that would would be defeated then the original resolution would Would be on the on the floor But but we have a motion to refer it back. So that would have to be voted on first That's what we did last time the commit to a standing committee is It's really it would take precedence young Okay, so there is a motion to second deferred back to committee and I I hope that the alderman will support that because then we can clarify all this Bring it back clean And we won't have to be making any any amendments or changes to that to that effect Under further discussion just a question though Malderman-Steffen combined 1255 and 1256. Is that correct? So did you want both to be referred back to just one? I'm sorry The other one is the operating plan for the bid so I mean I guess they both have to go back 1256 is the tourism advisory committee Oh, no, I was taken the two documents that are in the same document. I'm sorry. Okay. Just 1255. Okay. Thanks. That was the confusion So the motion to refer back to committee finance committee will be 1255 Everybody understand? Everybody understand? Good. Okay. Please call the roll. This is to refer back to finance Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Hi Susha Ben Akron Vanderwill Bauman Dberg Eberg and Serta Sixteen eyes Motion carries 1256 by finance Recommended establishing a tourist tourism advisory committee for the city of Sheboygan and passing the attached substitute Resolution Alderman Graf Thank you your honor. I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted and that the substitute of the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion in the second under discussion alderman steffen Thank you your honor Just as a point of information for people this document Paul had kind of took the previous submissions that had been brought in I think By Susan Hunley and Renee possibly in the lawsuit from Bonnie Serta looked outside got a little and this made up her own little compilation It wasn't my doings. I don't have anything personal if you want to change something or do anything to what we did in finance And that's fine, but just so you know, that's what she kind of compiled all the different committee members from Well, I think the composition is reflected a little bit of everybody's input here. I think it's fair any further discussion If not, please call the roll Graf kittleson mani meyer montemayor radkey sagali steffen susha van akron bander wheel bowman Dberg eberg Serta and davis 16 eyes Motion carries 12 57 by public protection and safety recommended authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into agreement with the shabuagan area school district Relative to providing the public school system with school liaison officers from the shabuagan police department allerman susha Thank you, mr. Mayer on just a point of clarification This would be from january 1st through june 30th 2006 and I move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion and the second to Accept and adopt report of committee and under discussion allman sagali Thank you, mr. Mayer. Um, may I please have an explanation? I thought in years past. I'm assuming this is for the six months, correct? Um, I thought it was we always had it at nine months Is there a reason why all of a sudden now we're going to six months and six months instead of the Nine months for the whole school year concern. No, it's actually for a school year allman sagali the The problem is our calendar year is from January 1 to december theirs is june 30th Up until the other round so they have their calendar year is out of whack with ours So when we go through june 30th, we're doing a calendar year for them Okay allerman stefan um I guess i'll support this this time it It seems like lately We've done it every six months and I don't you know one time we say well It's not with their budget the next time we say well, we don't want to stop at the middle of the year um for some of the new all the people the finance committee did Have a discussion on this Well before this term anyways how the taxpayers of shabuagan obviously The school people anybody who's in the school district everybody pays equal with the town But the other half is only paid by the same taxpayers of shabuagan We got permission and sent out letters to the other towns explaining this discrepancy to them Um We got letters back one was pretty much not interested the other one said well Well, we kind of agree but show us the proof and the other one had the best Said we agree with you, but we don't see a way to resolve it other than giving it all On the school taxes and and I guess you know, that's my thought is get it all in the school taxes You know, we're not nobody saying get rid of the program It's just They've got more money this year than we do let's get it all on their taxes It's more equal to the people than the people in the city aren't subsidizing the town people And they can feel like they're all the same So I I'll support it this time, but I certainly would hope that in six months. We don't pay for it again Thank y'all. I'm stefan alderman cloth Thank you, your honor in addition to what allman stefan had mentioned I was going to ask alderman chusha if she knew when you were going to start negotiations for The 2006 and 7 school year for this particular program because I I think what finance did last year Was um was as alderman stefan said went out and asked for Information as to would you we'd be willing to do this if we found an equitable way? And I think that's what we need to do so everybody appears to fair share as far as the school ascent officers go Alderman to share Thank you I don't know when we're going to go into negotiations for the next school year But I definitely support what alderman stefan said Thank you. Okay, we will call the roll Kittleson Manny Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Steffen Sushia Van Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg E-Berg Serda Davis And Graf Sixteen eyes Motion carries Ordinances introduced 1258 1259 lies over Matters laid over 1134 Oro number 124090506 by city plan commission recommending amending the city of shabuigan Official zoning map to change the use district classification of property located at 2838 washington avenue From class hi heavy industrial to class sc suburban suburban commercial classification Alderman montemayor Thank you your honor. I'll make a motion to accept and file the report of officer and pass the ordinance There's a motion to second Under discussion If not, please call the roll Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Steffen Sushia Van Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg E-Berg Serda Davis Graf And kittleson Sixteen eyes Motion carries 1165 resolution number 120506 by alderman graf and akron and Meyer accepting the liability insurance proposal from cities and villages Mutual insurance company and continuing member membership in his sigmic for 20608 based on the premiums guaranteed by sigmic for said policy years Alderman graf Your honor that resolution is and resolution number 120506 Council documenting 1166, which is a resolution to authorize a transfer of appropriations in 2005 budget I would move that um both those resolutions we put upon their passage There's a motion to second Any discussion Not madam city clerk, please call the roll Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Steffen Sushia Van Akron Vanderweel Bauman D-Berg E-Berg Serda Davis Graf Kittleson And manny Sixteen eyes Motion carries Other matters authorized by law 1260 a communication from alderman danburg asking for a resolution to be drafted to rescind the council's action not to contract with the chamber And asking for a nine-member committee to be formed to oversee what the chamber will do for the city and will work with them during 206 Alderman graf Thank you, your honor. I would move that the document be placed on file There's a motion to second the place document on file under discussion Alderman D. Berg Thank you, your honor I don't know why he wants to put this on file. We want You wanted to have a sit or room tax committee And I think because of the fact that the people that were supposed to be working with the Chamber of Commerce The last several years Kind of fell down on the job themselves and they stand here and they were kind of blaming the chamber of commerce for not Doing certain things according to the contract When I asked certain people what the chamber had showed them what they were going to do for the Year they said well, they just laid it out and they looked at it and they said what asked what do you if you ask any questions They didn't ask any question. They just went along with what the chamber was doing So if they said that the chamber wasn't living up to their contract It's as much fault that committee and this council For not overseeing the chamber So I think that we should with this new committee now They they should work with the chambers through the year 2006 to see what What what good they can do for the city because Trying to form our own in-house We're creating new positions on the table of organization when we have a hiring freeze in place right now So I would I would hope that they would support My resolution here or my document. Thank you all member alderman men will Thank you, your honor I agree with alderman burg that we should work with the chamber if they're willing to work with us With what we have but I disagree about rescinding the vote simply because a few weeks ago I Made up a resolution to rescind the vote All I had to do was submit it. It was written. That's all I had to do is submit it But after talking with members of the community I decided not to submit the resolution Because I felt that it'd be better for the relationship between the council and the community to not submit it Because we can't keep on making decisions and then going back and changing that decision Once in a great while is okay, but every few weeks. It's just ridiculous. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman men are we'll Alderman graff Thank you, your honor Um, we just voted on 1256 which passed which set up a tourism committee Um, that put into place a tourism committee Uh, also regarding um, alderman burg's letter, uh Where he hasn't here that the the people that worked on the committee or were on the committee Um, what did they do and um, Basically what we did was we got to see the finished product in the various magazines that advertising was was put in and it was passed around in the magazine if it was a midwest living or the tourism book or the um Oh, there's travel and something else that that used in several newspapers And the committee the cvb committee that I sit on right now Was asked well the or wasn't asked really if you approve or not what they said This is what what we have. This is what we did with the money How does this look and of course it looked great in the magazine and but we don't we didn't have any say so As far as what should be done or what should not be done We basically gave our blessing to what was done and the same way goes for the um The nine member committee that I just said uh, we just established one in in 12 56 I don't know if it was a nine member or not But but we did did establish it and one thing the chamber is moving on after our last cvb meeting They had a meeting with with their board of directors and they said, okay The city has made their their decision We will move on with what we're doing and we will advertise and and do what we did And do what we need to do to keep our tourism group going And the city is more than welcome to to join with us and uh and do some advertising and do some tourism promotion And I'm sure once paulette Gets her her total plan in in place and and and out for approval It will be there and just to address somewhat the the the proposed Positions that the that paulette has um has asked for Uh We're using less money To pay for those positions including their their benefits and so forth Then what the chamber was using to pay for the various positions that that they had there Thank you, old man graph Alderman stefan Thank you, your honor. Um, I really agree with alderman vandal wheelie. I think uh, You know rescinding is a good idea at you know occasionally It's it's useless if you're going to do it all the time. I I'm still waiting for somebody to rescind the wall mire boat So if anybody wants to bring that in that's probably the one hanging out there that I will support Um, I think I I do Understand alderman berg's concern and I you know anybody who was in finance or even on this floor I said we did drop the ball, you know, whether it was the finance committee should have been watching closely I don't know, you know, we asked and I said well who was supposed to do this and It was just the last administration did it their way. It never followed through I don't know who was at fault and if it was the finance committee. I take full responsibility But having said that, you know, that's like my 18 year old son Coming home drunk and I feel bad because I feel like I've let him down as a father, but it doesn't mean he's not responsible You know, the chamber knew what the rules were and they were responsible as much as we were We didn't supervise perhaps we didn't have the oversight like we should have that doesn't alleviate them from responsibility Of knowing what the contract said and following through on it and for that reason, I you know I also question, you know, we don't have a hiring freeze on right now, do we? I didn't think so. No, thank you Thank you alderman stefan alderman server Thank you your honor to address the hiring freeze. Um, actually alderman stefan I believe it was you that said that document should be held until you got back from vacation. So we've been Exactly, so it seemed to be a little bit of a timing issue as to maybe we were going to vote on this First and then all miraculously that document would come back but I am also I'm also in agreement with alderman Vander wheelie in that we don't just repeal an issue just for the sake of repealing it but in defense of alderman bergs Request here tonight. There's something has transpired since the last time we made this decision and that is the cost involved At our last salary and grievance meeting we finally got the cost And I think it's interesting enough that some of the older persons had made that recommendation to go ahead and Forward in house activity without actually knowing the tangible cost But we do have those today and we're just so for the public to be aware of that it will cost the city Through the room tax dollars. I'll clarify that $107,000 to start with also Paulette's time anytime that she spends on Tourism promotion will be allocated to that account as well There also will be the soft costs involved. I understand we might have a consultant come in Take a look at the office to see how we can rework things Their equipment costs so there again I don't know if we're actually achieving that much as far as saving costs in the long run So I do think it is appropriate that now this decision is are you going to give your stamp of approval of the cost? I can tell you one thing Somebody's going to call anybody to pay them to tell them how to move furniture around. It's not going to happen Okay and Alderman Cigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I think adding to alderman's surda here another thing that we don't know is advertising for Uh cvb was doing their own type of doing their brochures and all that and then they were taking it to the printer Are are these piercings that you're going to hire are they going to do the same thing as what cvb does? And then we just take it to the printer. Are we going to have extra costs with an advertising agent? Then and then after they do all the drops then it goes to the printer So we have two different costs here. So we have to think about this also And those are questions. Um, mr. Anders can answer more accurately For you. Thank you. Alderman Cigali. Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor I do remember when paul ananders presented her plan to us. It was clear. It was concise It had numbers in it. It made sense It would definitely be for the benefit of the community and remember this isn't coming from the city It's coming from tourists tourists are coming to shabuigan. We're charging them room tax They are paying for this Thank you. Thank you Okay, we will call the roll This is to file the communication Montemay or Thank you. Radke Cigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman D Berg Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny and Meyer Thirteen eyes and three nose Motion carries 1261 we'll go to public protection and safety and city planning. Please make note that notation 1262 we'll go to a committee of the whole 1260 Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor 1262 a communication from jerry hemsing asking that before a decision is made on a police site location That the council gives serious consideration to the attached newspaper articles We have made a site selection and we've all read mr. Hemsing's Information which i'm so glad that he did share with us. So i make i move to file this communication There's a motion to accept and file 1262 under discussion any more Alderman Meyer Thank you your honor Mr. Hemsing's communication was about putting in two satellite police stations And i'll let you all know my brother-in-law is an architect and that's what he does he builds police stations And when i asked him What he thought would be the best site in shabuigan. He told me you build two satellite stations He said that is the future of police stations right now. So i just thought i would share that Thank you. Alderman Meyer Okay, we will call the roll We can just do an online stick file Do you want just to file sure All those in favor state aye Any opposed ocean carries 1263 An ro by the city clerk submitted an application for a private private well permit for mr. james m burgsholts Is there i'd need a motion to accept and file Alderman drop I would make a motion that the ro be accepted and placed on file There's a motion to second under discussion Alderman bowman I thank you your honor the application is absolutely incorrect. It is not complete Uh item number one under the second line is does not state whether or not this is served by a public water system So i do feel that the application is incomplete and should not be passed Thank you. Alderman bowman Any further discussions There being none all those in favor state aye I'm sorry. Alderman growl So if we vote to accept and file are we not passing this or are we You're passing it So Alderman bowman, who takes care of these? This comes out of building inspection. This is the standard form they use for everyone that you pass Which number were you talking about alderman bowman? Second number one it says is property served by public water system. Yes or no. There's no answer Alderman bowman, are you suggesting that it'd be filed and that he'd be asked to redo his application right Steve I'll turn McLean. Thank you your honor I don't know the answer. Yes or no. I'm assuming You know, there's no reason not to that The answer to that is yes that that's the whole purpose of this application this is a A new application he had A well private well permit going back to 1990. They're good for five years He's obviously submitted a renewal Larry hill the link is certified that there's no cross connection between the piping of the public water system and the private well the only The only rationale for Making this application is to allow him to continue to keep his private well But it's just for lawn watering and so forth You know, you can I guess I wouldn't suggest denying it if you wish to have that clarified you could refer it back to Doesn't say we just just hold it And have that clarified for the next meeting but I really don't think that there's much issue That the in fact he served by public water Oh McGrath Your honor and then I would move that the application and the RO will be held Until our next meeting for clarification purposes and then there's a motion the second to hold Any further discussion All in the moment. Okay with that, sir Thank you We will take the vote all those in favor state. I Any opposed motion carries 1264 an RO by the historic preservation commission recommended authorizing the lio mong and american veterans memorial committee to erect a Memorial honor and those who served in the secret war in lios and the land park alderman sagali A motion to accept and file Thank you I catch your health guard. I'm sorry Motion to accept and file pass the resolution and pass the resolution. Thank you There's a motion and a second. I'm sorry. I caught you on guard. There's a motion to second any discussion Please call the roll Ratki sagali stefan Susha Ben akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer And montemay or 16 eyes motion carries Okay Other matters attorney mclean. Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me attorney mclean olem and serda Um, forgive me. I I didn't realize that's right. We still have to do other matters I was just going to ask um mayor if we could formally contact me um van der barre Just the courtesy to let him know what our decision was tonight if we could send a letter to them That is a good idea. Would you like a written letter or a call? A written letter, please. Thank you. Thank you. All in serda All uh, attorney mclean other matters. Thank you, your honor at 1266 is a communication from the wisconsin apartment administration Stating that they do not object to the final plat for green meadows That will go to city plan 1267 is communication from part of paulis concerning issues. He is having with the meet public library And that will go to the library board 1268 is a resolution approving the revised capital improvements program recommended by the capital improvements commission for the program period 2006 through 2010 Adopting the 2006 program for implementation. I want to rise over finance City plan I'm sorry. That's right. That will be referred to city planning 1269 is communication from beth pinter concerning possible sites for the future dog park That will go to public works Excuse me alderman graph. Thank you, your honor I just wanted to point out to all the alderman that they had copies of this wisconsin legislative council act memo That was included in their packet Mr. James boran was going to be here this evening to speak But he had another meeting that he had to attend But he will be coming to our next council meeting to speak on this Just to give you a heads up on it off. Hold on. We got one more alderman sagali Thank you, mr. Mayor, and I apologize for being short before What if we should also mention that on the 24th Of this month that the dedication will be taking place down in d land park when it comes to the humongue Memorial and I think it would be very nice that the citizens shabuigan Do take an interest and that they come down there and support the people who supported us in the war Thank you. Alderman bowman Alderman bowman There's a motion second. All is in favor state. Aye. Can you oppose stand adjourned?