 Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. Hope you all are doing well. Something I've covered before and I thought about it some more. As a matter of fact some recent conversations has made me just kind of want to look at this even more so and then something just struck me. Something just it's just been working in me and just where I initially thought okay this is just bad teaching this is just wrong. The more that I thought about the more that I went through scriptures the more that I looked at stuff the more that I realized this is one of the more dangerous heresies that's out there. I'm going to tell you why in just a little bit maybe you'll figure out as we go. Thank you Michael for the super chat. I appreciate that. I'm going to tell you why as we go it is you'll see why you'll see why and so what I want to do is I've one of the clips I've played before I'm going to play it again but before that I want to go ahead and play something from Bill Johnson. Now this belief that you have to have or we should have signs and wonders. First of all it went it's gone from wouldn't it be nice to be able to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit and to have signs and wonders to where now you should have signs and wonders even more so now if you don't have signs and wonders then we've got a big it goes from almost kind of it'd be nice to recommending to it being an actual command and so therefore if you're not walking in the power of the Holy Spirit if you don't have signs and wonders well then we've got a big issue and I'm going to talk about the implication that even the people that bring this up they don't really say it but this is an issue it's if what they're saying is true we got a problem now by the way what they're saying isn't true which and it's not that it's that it's not true but it's that the the degree to which this is off really makes this an outright heresy matter of fact it's almost if not totally blasphemous but we'll go ahead and jump into it and I'm going to play a clip from Bill Johnson now Bill Johnson the way he sets this up he's kind of speaking you know the way the way he talks like okay I kind of see what you're saying huh all right it's almost like it's it's deep what you're saying I'm not quite sure but maybe because you're up in front of us you're preaching you you got the you're the gray haired guy on stage so you must know what you're talking about okay as a matter of fact wow that is deep because what are folks want to hear especially in the charismatic movement they want to hear something that's deep something that's profound and then he says some things that okay what you said was kind of deep profound you brought it back down to where I kind of understand that that makes sense so now when I hit you with the doozy when I hit you with something that that it's not biblical I'm not even thinking about the fact that it's not biblical because I've already given you I've already allowed you to go down what's called the permission continuum so I'll talk about that in a second but let's go ahead and listen to what uh Bill Johnson of Bethel has to say power is not a point in our theology power is a person the Holy Spirit is the dunamis of heaven verse 18 that will dare not speak now by the way when he says the Holy Spirit is the dunamis of heaven or the power of heaven that's not really true uh he's he's got that's who he is but if you want to try to make a point of that depending upon how he was going to go with that we may have been able to say you know what okay okay maybe maybe but where he goes with this it's just it's not biblical thanks which christ is not accomplished through me in word indeed to make the gentiles obedient here's our verse in mighty signs and wonders by the power of the spirit of god so that from Jerusalem around deliricum I have fully preached the gospel of christ in mighty signs and wonders by the power of the spirit of god I have fully preached the gospel of christ I tell you another boundary or border that cannot be adjusted or moved is the absolute necessity for the power of god the absolute necessity this is not a verse now you see where he's going he's kind of building up now he's reading we'll go there to romans 15 because someone else also references romans 15 so we're gonna we're gonna go there but you see how he's kind of building this up and he likes to talk about the power of god and how it's an as he just said it's an absolute necessity well I might be able to agree with you depending upon what you mean by an absolute necessity and what you mean by the power of god that be that should be shown in our lives and where he's going is not the way that I would go verse to say to say well you're pretty you fully preach the gospel and your friend doesn't it's not a have and have not if I look at it that way then I have misunderstood completely what he's saying because the power of god is not a tool that we use to bring people into the kingdom the power is a person I am the tool that he uses I can kind of go along with that I am the tool that he uses okay but what he's trying to get across is since the holy spirit is the power and we're the tool the powers in us and so we should be exhibiting this very same power and Philip Rodriguez love you too brother thank you so much and let's get back to Mr. Bill Johnson it is not my maneuvering of his presence and power that I use for divine purpose it is my yieldedness and surrender I'm unwilling to live life without the yes through which he would flow in power okay now and the reason why I'm I'm kind of stopping to kind of flesh out his points we're not playing the entire video by the way for all of you folks are gonna say play the whole clip stop saying to play the whole clip there's a couple reasons why we can never play the whole clip one reason is because if we'd be here for three four hours we can't do that secondly you too would hit us with a copyright claim thirdly the people that we use and Bill Johnson definitely would wait you with a copyright strike and then fourthly sometimes as a matter of fact in many cases you don't need the entirety of it what context if a person says Jesus is the worst person to ever live well what context what I need to hear how much more of a sermon what I need to hear to say okay well yeah I get the context when you said that in right some things don't really need a lot of context to it now if the person was saying that hey what if someone said Jesus said that well then you want to hear that but absent that so but what I'm trying to show you is he's trying to build up he's trying to show that we should be willing to be used by this power of heaven should be flowing through us and if we're not it's probably because we're not yielding now he's already stated that it's a necessity so we have to be doing so so if we're not doing so if we're not letting the power flow through us and it's a necessity then what what then are we in we are in sin I'm unwilling and it's a boundary it's a boundary of this inheritance it's something in God I have no right to adjust or to move or to change it's not about what somebody else preaches it's not about what somebody else has or doesn't have it's about my personal responsibility as for me in my house I have seen a line of demarcation I once was okay with a theology of power and not the experience and not the something else though you probably don't realize this but I've sped this up because he speaks slow which sometimes it's good to speak slow so that you can be heard but he is speaking slow this is sped up guys this is this is sped up he has these long pauses and then speaks slow I understand he's 147 years old I get that but wow he speaks slow not the practice it's unacceptable it's unacceptable it's not a guilt words not a shame word it's just saying you know what here's the line you've inherited this one now here's the point that he's getting ready to make and you tell me if you can catch you should be able to catch it it's really not going to be that difficult but listen what he's getting ready to say that it's just just bad it's just it's just wrong this one over here says you're a priest to God this boundary over here says you have hope in every situation but this one right here says power must be displayed for this gospel to be revealed for what it is power must be displayed through this gospel to reveal power must be displayed one more time for emphasis let's do the next thing he says to touch the hearts of people because it is that power that changes the life without power it's not good news so if we don't exhibit power then it's not good news the gospel is not good news without power think about that for a second you've got to show some power in order for the good news to be good news now i'll go to the passage that he's referencing roman 15 just a second because this next gentleman is going to reference it and initially i said you know what let me just deal with the text and not be too too tough on the people that are saying these things that was before i realized i started thinking my way through this and thinking wait a second this is horrible this is bad this is not on horrible and bad but this is dangerous i'll tell you why in a second but let's just hear one more time from our good friend isaac anyone who says signs and what signs and wonders don't matter or isn't required in presenting the gospel is completely wrong paul says this signs and wonders gave him full confidence that he fully preached the gospel and without them the gospel is not full here's what the nlt says they were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders and by the power of god spirit and this way in what way by the miraculous signs and wonders in this way i have fully presented the good news of christ from jerusalem all the way to lyricum and today's era of christianity we've lost the convincing factor the thing that was convincing people in paul's day was the signs and wonders so what was convicting people what was convincing people was the signs and wonders let's continue and today we use programs gimmicks and nice buildings but paul used signs and wonders he didn't need to play a performance a gimmick it was the raw power of god that convinced them so he's going to say it was the raw power of god okay well in some in some instances it was in some instances it was and some it was not and some it was not as a matter of fact when we think about when we think about that day that the church was added to a lot that day i say that yes that was a power of god on display with these tongues and these tongues were actual languages here's the irony they'll reject what i'm saying as it being an actual language is as it being actual language that they get the tongues as actual language well then that nullifies because that's the case if what i'm saying is true and they're speaking languages what are the people believing they're believing the language as a matter of fact the folks that are actually listening aren't really paying attention to the fact that these are people that don't even speak their language just the fact that they're hearing it it was the people who did not understand those languages who said that these people are drunk or the others who said well what what could this be so but that aside that aside it is to me it is the preach word that's the power we'll get to that in a second but i want to go to this passage that he brings up also bill johnson brought this passage up as well this is let's start and i don't know why i have this thing so large there we go let's go to verse 18 of chapter five in this is 15 yeah 15 roman 15 verse 18 for i will not presume to speak of anything except what christ has accomplished through me resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed in the power of signs and wonders in the powers of the spirit so that from druslim and round about as far as um like like like rickam and this where's this put in three this is one of these words uh illarico or in this case illarico i have fully preached the gospel of christ now let me put up matter of fact let me do this let me go to the nlt let me find the nlt and put this on because i want to read read from the text that he read from uh the new living translation where's it at you guys can't see me pulling up on this on the screen as i'm searching for it i've got all these different texts on here so i've got to find the new i just saw it i just saw it there it is there it is nlt let's move let's get rid of let's get rid of the you know let's do this let's get rid of that let's get rid of that one now let me do this let's move this here let's let's put these side by side okay so now you see the here's the nasp here you see the nlt the nlt is not a word for word translation it is more of a not a pair i wouldn't say a paraphrase but what it is is a thought for thought uh trying to convey the thought sometimes it conveys it sometimes it doesn't here's what it says let's look at verse 19 of both passages uh here the nlt interestingly enough he he he quotes this passage he didn't do i don't think he does a lot of nlt quoting but when you find something that says most like what you want people to hear then you'll you'll quote that passage they were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders by the power of god's spirit so he said that people were convinced by the miraculous signs the the nasp and virtually every other translation has it rendered like this in the power of signs and wonders in the power of the spirit so that from druslim and roundabout as far as uh lirikum lirikum i have fully preached the gospel of christ so the passage and oh by the way if you want to see what it really says uh if we just look at the actual move over i'm trying to move the greek over there it is if we just look at the at the greek it does not say that in power or in dunamin matter of fact let's put this let's move this over here and put the nlt over there now moving stuff around i'm playing uh musical move text there we go so in the power of signs and wonders in the power by the way dunamis when we hear this word dunamis sometimes we think that it really means a whole lot so not it does but it just really means the ability sometimes it means power ability uh strength in the power or the strength or the ability of the spirit so that from druslim i'm sorry uh the spirit of god so that me from druslim and roundabout or in that area uh as far as uh lirikum which is uh l lirikum i hate to say that word uh that it would be fully preached the or the gospel of christ this does not say ladies and gentlemen this does not say that the people believe because they were convinced by the power it's not saying that that's what's happening and it's certainly isn't saying that that's what's prescribed we talk about what is prescriptive versus what's descriptive are there times where people were convinced or believed or stood up and paid attention when they saw signs and wonders sure as a matter of fact we know for a fact that in many cases that's what the every time we see signs and wonders the point was that god can be on display and people will see it okay so and then we said this before i think it was last week where we we saw in the old testament god is not wasting signs god is not trying to bring about signs so that no one can see it but the thing is though when god does demonstrate himself when the power of god is on display everyone knows it as a matter of fact no one denies that no one can get around something that's happened when a miracle has occurred when a healing has occurred when someone has erased from the dead that is the case and so we're going to look at this issue talk about this issue just a little bit about signs and wonders and really what the purpose of signs and wonders are but in this case we cannot say that this was a prescription in other words that what paul did with these signs and wonders they are prescribed of others as a matter of fact something that paul brings up as paul is trying to validate himself as an apostle if we go to 2nd Corinthians chapter 12 11 paul is making sure everyone knows that hey i am a an apostle as well look what he says chapter 12 verse 11 he says i have become foolish you yourselves compelled me actually i should have been commended by you for in no respect was i inferior to the most imminent apostle so all of the better apostles and he's really kind of speaking tongue-in-cheek to the to the greater apostles you know peter john those guys that is brought out you know the original in no way am i inferior to the more superior apostle or the more imminent apostles even though i am a nobody so what does he say how do you know so and this is paul validating himself the signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance by signs and wonders now paul's point here is that as an apostle there are these signs now this part becomes debated by many people if you believe that those outward signs that the apostle shows that those are only for signs of the apostles this this is what paul is saying that i demonstrated that i was an apostle by these signs in other words if i come to you telling you preaching this gospel to how do you know it's true why is that even an issue because people oftentimes and it didn't just start now people have always been coming around saying that this person is great listen to what they've said but when an apostle comes and he shows these signs and of course these are signs that we haven't seen these are signs that these so-called apostles and prophets and so forth that these people in the deliverance ministry they don't show these signs we don't see the sort of signs that paul demonstrated where he even his shadow would heal people or handkerchiefs from it from his from his clothing would heal people we did we didn't see we don't see that with them these true signs and paul calls these the signs of an apostle the true sign as a matter of fact he said he said the signs of a true apostle or i should say indeed which means that this is him saying that i actually am an apostle i'm an apostle indeed which is why we have this word man so paul is saying that i really am an apostle how do you know that i really am an apostle not because i'm saying something not because what i'm saying is true but because what i'm saying was shown before the people in power now did everyone who heard paul's voice did everyone who come to the come to the the saving knowledge of a gospel did they all see something no as a matter of fact there are plenty of times in the bible where paul himself did not show signs i'll come back to that in a second but let's think about who all has shown signs throughout the bible because think about it if we start thinking about how often were signs and wonders shown then we might start pulling back on this necessity to have people show signs and wonders oh by the way again i still challenge these men and women who claim that they are walking in the power of god who have these signs and wonders to demonstrate i challenge them to give some sort of validity because when the apostles in the bible or the prophets talk about their signs we they give an example we know of their signs and wonders being shown we don't know about bill johnson's sign someone's someone put in the chat we're still waiting to see about the lady whose toes were grown back that would be something that would easily put to rest any doubt about their power here's a woman who had no toes or i guess what she missing three toes or something like that now her toes have grown back you can put this to rest you can put this this issue to bed really quickly by presenting some some proof everybody in the world has a camera phone there's there's closed circuit i guess it's not closed circuit tv anymore but cameras security cameras all over the world everywhere you go you can't walk down the street without someone having some portion of your walk on video but every time you guys have a miracle every time you guys show power show signs and miracles no one is there to see it and it'd be one thing if this is all we're talking about the fact that you all you all just make basically making things up exaggerating or just lying that would be one thing but there's something more and i say this word i'm choosing this word carefully there is something more sinister at play here now i don't know that they recognize it maybe they don't doubtful that they do but the fact of the matter is there's something sinister at play i'm gonna show it to you in a second and then you all tell me if you agree or disagree as a matter of fact i can't wait to hear and see i should say here but see the comments that would disagree i would look because what's gonna happen is this they won't back them up with scriptures this is what happens all the time people want to talk about how these signs and these gifts and so forth have have grown them have affected them i got a problem with that then i've i've got a problem with that by the way lovely thank you for the super chat as well as chile you can catch he says you jumped a gun on me jump the gun on me i'm not ashamed of the gospel because of the power that dog on it you jump the gun on me i'm going to that past that passes are also queued up but let's think about for a second all of the people throughout the scriptures all of the people who we got to see show power show signs and wonders it really wasn't a lot was it when you think about it when did we first start seeing power or signs and wonders we didn't really see noa obviously adam and eve didn't noa didn't abraham didn't show really any signs and wonders no you know what about isaac what about jacob no the first person that we see showing signs and wonders would be who moses then after moses we go a little further obviously erin does and then joshua erin is right along with joshua and then we see uh joshua i mean erin's right along with moses then we see joshua um after that but then then we go a little further and then we begin to see who we begin to see we begin to see uh elijah elijah elijah cori are you saying that signs don't happen today i'm not saying they happen they don't happen what i am saying is these people who say they are that they are happening no one knows it no one never sees it now am i saying that god didn't move it clearly god moves god is not dead god is not stopped god is still who he is he is the same yesterday today and forever but am i saying that these people who are claiming that they have these signs and wonders and more to the point because that's not really what i'm what i'm arguing right now that that that they're not happening in them my point is what they're what they're getting at but oh by the way them let us see just just one just one it's not as though the people in the bible needed to see thousands and thousands and now some whose hearts were hard and they it didn't matter how many signs they saw but the signs are shown amongst the unbelievers and then the unbelievers say you know what now let me hear what you gotta say so that's not really my point but wouldn't be nice if you if you're going to make a claim then fine paul says this in romans 12 that uh if you've got these things well then apply these things then use these things if you can prophesy well then well you know what get to prophesy and it needs to be the right sort of prophesy not a halfway uh one quarter of one sentence comes of fruition and it's opaque no not that if it's healing it's actual healing i saw something today and i even commented on it uh where mr begatting made a statement um and i don't i'm i think you know yeah i'm i'm still subscribed to him i haven't unsubscribed i rarely i rarely unsubscribe to people i really i rarely do but he made a statement about people being healed or delivered and he said he used a passage and he and he just just butchered it that when Jesus healed the person of a demon that it took about an hour this was his his his illusion that it took about an hour and i said no that's not how this this text is read this text is read from that hour meaning at that moment or you take it at that exact moment on from that hour from that point in time that person was healed but he makes it as though that it took about an hour within an hour the person was healed so it took jesus 57 it's 57 and 56 55 minutes for the person to be healed delivered 44 minutes no no but go to go to his channel you know go to his community section and just look at the little community post he put it's like no that's not what that means at all but anyway i digress but then after elijah elijah when do we start seeing more power we go a while without seeing a lot of power you might see a little here a little there but when the next person that you see with power not even john the baptist comes with power who comes with power jesus well that makes sense i mean he's god he comes with power and his power is displayed so that those people would see and hear what he's saying they would believe what does he say that that uh when asked about the blind man who sin made him blind said no one sin but that you may know that you would understand in here and appreciate his power recognize his power that's the point now folks were still rejected but they were rejected in plain view of his power but there was a reason why they did so there was a reason why they did so but the but the majority said hey this guy is something as a matter of fact even the Pharisees as nicotine was let us know that they would say they even know that you have come from god because we know as nicotine has said in john three that we know that no one can do these things unless he'd be from god so after that who do we see with power well we see the apostles jesus says that you shall receive power and then do what be my witnesses the question is do you need this sort of power like bill johnson says or like isaac salazar says this power is required if you do not have power if you do not exhibit signs and wonders then you have not given the gospel it's not the true gospel without signs and wonders so does anyone does anyone be interesting to know does anyone actually believe that unless you have signs and wonders to accompany what you're saying what you're doing it's not the true gospel as a matter of fact it's a weak gospel while you guys are figuring out how to answer if you're if you agree with isa and you agree with bill johnson or you disagree let me play this person this is apostle Guillermo Moldonado I try to kind of give a little Spanish accent Guillermo Moldonado I'm sorry I didn't I butchered my I butchered my Spanish accent but apostle Guillermo Moldonado let's do what he has to say and the gospel of the kingdom is never preached without miracle signs and wonders in other words let me say it another way it is illegal by the way if you're watching it is illegal to preach the gospel without miracle signs and wonders Jesus never never send the church or commission the church to preach the gospel without miracles it is illegal in other words that make us illegal witness in other words I think is an insult to the cross of Christ to preach the gospel without power it is illegal it is it he said it's insulting it's illegal and Jesus never commissioned anybody to go preach the gospel without power first of all that's a lie that's wrong but it's illegal well just like just like chow young cat said paul makes this statement for I'm not ashamed of the gospel why for it is the power of god unto salvation to everyone who believes to the jew first and then to the gentile or the Greek now the question is believe what are they believe in the power the signs or are they believing the preach word problem is this acts 1348 there are no signs but they believed they hear the preach word and they believe paul in any act as he's preaching the gospel paul did not show any signs no signs of wonders no miracles in the area in the areapicus he's speaking about this unknown god no signs of wonders shown there interestingly enough and there are different places where signs and wonders aren't showing up because if it's if it's supposed to be that we as believers are supposed to have these these these signs and wonders these gifts if we're supposed to have it because again when people people want to apply mark 16 and say that the latter ending that is if you believe the latter ending is canonical that it belongs won't argue that point now but if it is I believe that whoever it was that wrote it is referring to the apostles because they're the ones that demonstrated these signs and wonders all of them and this could spread that out well if it's supposed to be that all believers are supposed to have these signs and wonders and of course the only people that are preaching the gospel are going to be believers or should be I take that back then why are there times where believers don't have the ability to show these signs and wonders they don't have the they don't have the ability to heal people who are sick what do they do they call for the apostles they call for for this young girl who dies they don't they don't heal them they call for Peter to come heal healer well why don't you guys do it and oh by the way you guys supposed to be preaching Paul didn't tell Timothy nor did he tell Titus who are going around planting churches and preaching the gospel he didn't tell them that they have to do it with signs and wonders we don't see that so the question is to prove this false are there ever any people who are saved without signs and wonders now here's why I say this becomes blasphemous this becomes dangerous this is why there's there's two reasons why this becomes heretical why this becomes dangerous why this is blasphemy why this is one of the most dangerous heresies out there because initially I was just saying okay are signs and wonders required that was really what I was going to talk about now they're not required because there's no passage that says so but what makes this dangerous is this question all of us how many of you by a show of hands in the chats how many of you placed your faith in Christ after having hearing the gospel preached and then also saw signs and wonders how many of you could testify to that how many of you are here because you saw some signs and wonders I didn't I didn't see one sign I hadn't I hadn't seen anything how many of you are saved because you saw signs and wonders or how many of you are here because you heard the preach word I'm here because I heard the preach word and I believed it I did not have any signs and wonders to believe because I didn't have any signs and wonders that I saw so now are you are you Are you telling me Apostle Guillermo? See that way, when I said Guillermo, that way, I kind of had the Spanish, did y'all catch that? I had the little Spanish on an accent, right? I said Guillermo. I kind of rolled the Guillermo, the Guillermo. You guys, listen, I'm halfway, almost one-tenth of the way to being semi-bilingual. But Apostle Guillermo says that that's necessary. Isaiah says it's necessary. Bill Johnson says it's necessary. It's not the gospel without it. It is not the gospel without it. Well, that would mean that we're not saved. That would mean that none of us are saved. So now we're gonna tell all of these people on the planet, the only one majority, if not all of them, who haven't seen a thing. Now, their salvation is at risk because they didn't hear, they didn't believe the preach word, they were supposed to, I mean, they only believe the preach word. They were supposed to believe the preach word as it was accompanied by signs and wonders. By the way, if anyone who's truly saved is truly saved without having seen signs and wonders, that notifies everything they're saying. The problem is that most folks that are sitting there listening to them can't read their way through the book. Can't think. They're so enamored with this foolishness because, again, they have itching ears and they've heard some other things so they're not ready to discard it. At some point in time, you do have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. You're going to throw the bathwater out. There's junk that you're preaching and use since you're the one that's shoveling it. But here's what makes this thing even more diabolical, more heretical, even more dangerous. Not the fact that you're only, that you're simply impugning our salvation. What makes it even more heretical, more diabolical, more dangerous, is I'm not showing or demonstrating signs and wonders. So I'm not fit or qualified or empowered to preach the gospel. And if I don't preach the gospel, you don't preach the gospel. And no one else, if we got less and less people preaching the gospel, who's going to hear the gospel? This is why this becomes really dangerous. This is why this becomes really, it's dangerous. Now, is it on par with some other dangerous heresies? Yes. But you can't get more dangerous than people having a reason to not preach the gospel. Let's just go ahead and pull, first of all, let's look at some things that the Bible says. John says that the reason why we have these words written, he says, look what he says, therefore many other signs Jesus has also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book. But these have been written so that you may what, believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name. So we're gonna read and hear and believe this word, though we didn't see it. They're written for us, they're told about it to us, but we believe in the word. These are written so that we may believe. But according to them, no, that's not enough. John, you're wrong. No, you're wrong, John. That's not enough for us to believe. We need to have that, but we also need to have and see some power. So there is no real true biblical basis. And again, as we said before, the gospel actually is the power. Now, listen to what Paul says, the very same Paul, who would be also guilty of violating what they're saying. Paul says this in Romans 10, 14. How then will they call, matter of fact, let's drop it. Let's go to verse nine. Let's start in verse nine. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord or as Lord and believe in your heart, the God raised from the dead, you will be saved. Well, you have to believe that. Let's just start there. He didn't say that you must confess that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart after also having seen signs and wonders. But let's continue. For with the heart, a person believes resulting in righteousness and with the mouth, he confesses resulting in salvation. Again, nothing about, nothing about needing to see signs and wonders. As a matter of fact, he's gonna nip that in the bud. For the scripture says whoever believes in him will not be disappointed. So all you have to do is believe in him, believe in him. For there is no distinction between the Jew and the Greek for the same Lord is Lord of all, a bounty and riches for all who call on him. So whoever calls on the name of the Lord, whoever it is, the person that's calling on him shall be saved. Not the person who's calling on him who happened to also have seen signs and wonders. Here it is. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? Got to call on him in whom they have not believed. How can they do so? How can they call on Jesus? Well, the only way to do so is by a preacher. He says, how will they believe in him whom they have not heard? Not whom they have not seen but heard. And how will they hear without a preacher? Someone to a preacher. This word right here is Keruk Santas, which is those who was preaching or proclaiming. How will they hear without unless someone is proclaiming not demonstrating or showing but proclaiming? And how will they preach unless they are sent? Still nothing about signs. Just as it is written, how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news or bring the news of good things? Not those, they didn't say how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news and bring signs as well. That's not what he's saying. But you got these folks that are gonna make it up and guys, they are, I don't know if they're making it up, if they're inventing it, if they are just, if they're intentionally lying, if they have been deceived. And so now, like Paul says, being deceived and deceiving others, if that's what's happening, I can't totally get into the intent of their heart, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If you accidentally blow somebody up or you intentionally blow somebody up, they're blown up. If you kill someone intentionally or unintentionally, you are still guilty of killing the person. Now, we can go back and assess the intent of the heart later to determine how guilty you'll be, what your punishment will be, but still. You are killing people if you tell us that we can't preach the gospel unless there are signs to accompany it. That is a flat out lie. Now, if you need to see some signs, and I said this before and I have no problem saying this over and over and over and over again, the word of God is what we need. That's it. The matter of fact, let's put this up on the screen. First, that's 1-2-13. He says, for this reason, we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for really what it is, the word of God. Therein lies the power. Therein lies the power. Cheyenne Cat says, for the message of the cross is foolish to those who are perishing, but to those who are being saved, it is the power. It's the message, this preached word. It is simply that and that alone. If that's not enough, you can't be saved. If the word of God is not enough, you can't be saved. If you need more than the word of God, then you need more than God. If you need more than the word of God, then you need more than God, because even he can't, it's what he gave you. It's literally what he gave you. If that's not enough, well, then you can't be saved. How do I know so? Well, you folks that are looking for and banking on and leaning on and having to rest on these signs, look what he says about you. This is for you. He says, an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and a sign will not be given it except the sign of Jonah, and he left him away. So you want a sign, I'll give you a sign. The sign is a sign of Jonah. That is the Son of Man Jesus being buried in the grave for three days. When Paul went to go preach, what was Paul preaching? When Paul wasn't showing signs, but people were still coming to him or coming to Christ, what was he preaching? He was preaching that sign. I've said before, if you're looking for a sign, that's the sign that you give. As a matter of fact, that's the sign that Jesus said, for those evil and adulterous people, you won't be shown a sign. For those folks that are shown a sign, it's shown a sign for them so that they will believe. But for the rest of us, we don't need a sign. The sign that we have is the, you mean to tell me, I guess it's back there. Yeah, it is back there behind. The preach word, this preserved word of God that we have, the Bible. Isn't that sign enough for you? Isn't that amazing enough, the fact that it was left for us, kept and preserved? We have the message of God from heaven itself. That's not enough. Let me see what you, BJ said, what? After I trusted in Jesus, an older gentleman felt the presence of God in me. I can tell because he said, hey friend, he just randomly walked up to me. I always wondered about that. Well, I mean, it could be, it could be, or it could have been, because you know, a lot of times older folks will say, hey friend, that was kind of a word, but I don't know, I don't know. But if so, hey, praise God, not taking anything away because it could be. But I do want to want this point to be out that you don't need miracles. You don't need signs. You don't need wonders. You don't need more things happening around you in order to place your faith in Christ. All you need to do is to hear the truth. That's all, how do I know? Let's go back to Romans 10. Let's go back to Romans 10 and look what he says. However, they did not all heed the good news for Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our report? Now, where does faith come? Where does it come from? So faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of Christ. Faith comes by, and we said before that this is the Greek word, aikois, which is the report, not the verbal hearing, not hearing from here, but accepting the report. Like he says, whose report we believe, you know, the old song, we shall believe the report of the Lord. Well, the same word for report is a word in the Greek, aikoae. And so whose report we believe says faith comes from the report and the report by the word of Christ. So that's how we are saved. We are not saved by these actions. These actions only, these works are there and we're not diminishing these works. Again, I would love to see some works. I would love to see these things. And again, in the Bible, when these signs and wonders actually occurred, everybody believed it. Even the people that were against the Christians, even the people that were against the apostles, even the people that were against Jesus, even the people that were against the apostles, I mean, the prophets, even when these signs were done, they believed this is God, this is God. Even if we go back to, as we did in the Bible study, go back to Pharaoh, go back to his people. They believed that was of God. Now God hardened their heart, but they still believed. And so when a true sign, when a true wonder of God is done, people gonna believe it. No one's gonna reject it. You know why I know so? Because no one ever did. Now they may still not, their heart may be hardened to the point where they don't care, but they won't deny that something powerful has happened. Again, even in Acts, the apostles were told not to spread the gospel, not to go and speak anything. And then they said, well, because now we can't deny that something magnificent has happened. So even the enemies of the apostles even validated that, yeah, something happened. So when something happens, we all know. The interesting thing is this though, every time we see these guys, so-called showing these signs and wonders, they're never to the unbelievers. But how come every time you guys are showing these signs and wonders, it's always amongst the gullible followers in your group, the Christians? Tell you what you can do. Apostle Guillermo, come to my church and show some signs and wonders. We have no choice but to believe, but that's not what I'm doing. So I agree with you, I don't think that we should totally refute signs and wonders. It isn't a necessity of our salvation, but it is evidence of God, and which is by the way, this is what I'm saying. I'm not saying that there are no signs. Someone asked that question earlier. Do I not believe in signs and wonders? Sure, I just wanna see one. Until I see one, don't tell me that you've shown that you've done one in secret and no one knows about it. But the point of this discussion is, are they required? Because if they're required, then all of us here who came to Christ without seeing, that means that we're not actually safe. We're not actually believers. And then we can't even go and share the gospel with someone else because, so you mean tell me, if I'm talking to someone over the phone, I can't give them the gospel? I can't, I can't, I can't, because what would be the point of me sharing the gospel? Nothing, because they would need to see some signs and wonders. If I write a letter, oh by the way, they wrote letters in the Bible. If I write a letter detailing the point and purpose and what's happened with this gospel, all of Paul's writings are now nullified. All of Paul's right, because all he's doing is talking about something, because most people that receive these letters, never met, y'all do realize it, most people that receive the letters from Paul or from Peter, never met them, never met them. Most people that read it, never, never met them. So the letters themselves or the Bible itself is now nullified because I'm only reading about the power, I'm not seeing it. Do y'all see how foolish this becomes and really how ultimately blasphemous this becomes? Xiaoyun Cat, thank you again for the super chat as well. This is an issue. And once you go through the different social media platforms and you start noticing how many more of these things are out there, how many more videos, how many more teachings, how many more teachers are out there teaching this foolishness, this blasphemous statement that you have to show signs and wonders in order for your gospel, your preaching to be effective. Which also begs the question then, every Sunday, and here's what's crazy because they'll even say so. You mean to tell me Apostle Guillermo and Bill, since you're both a pastor, or even Isaiah when he gets up and preaches, you mean to tell me every time you do so there are signs and wonders? Now I've seen some of your, I have literally seen some of your sermons and I know for a fact, just because I've seen them, that every time that you got at least the ones that I've seen, I've never seen any signs and wonders at your hands, at your preached word. So I know for a fact that every time now, you may say that, well, another time that you haven't seen there was some signs and wonders. Okay, fine. But let's talk about the times that I saw you preach and there were no signs and wonders. That meant that what you got and did was for nothing. You got been preached and it mattered not because there was no power behind it. You said some stuff. You said some stuff, but there was no point to it. Which means you're doing the exact same thing that we're doing and you're saying to us that when we do it and there are no signs and wonders, which is just like when you do it and there's no signs and wonders that we're wrong, which makes you a hypocrite because you're doing the exact same thing, which means you're sinning. No, Brandon, Isaiah is more than a YouTuber. According to him, let him tell it. Now he does go to other churches and people bring him in and these churches that they go to, they never vet what he's saying. But we should see it. This is where, again, the more I think about it, the more I get bothered by it. The more I think about it, the more I get bothered by it because what you're doing is you are now, whether you realize it or not, Isaiah, Guillermo, Bill. Whether you realize it or not, you are literally going against the scriptures. You are impugning the scriptures. So you mean to tell me, because this is what this means, guys. This is exactly what this means. Thank you, Tommy. This is what this means. There is no need for me to read the Bible anymore. There is no need for me to read the Bible or there is no need for me to give the Bible to someone who's not saved, who might want the Bible. Some prisoner who's in his cell, who has placed their faith in Christ after having just the Bible didn't do so, because all he saw was the written word. He read the gospel. He didn't witness, he didn't see any power, any miraculous signs, any wonders, any miracles. He didn't witness anything other than what we call actual, the best sign that you can actually see is the word of God. That's all he saw, but you said it's not enough. And so you are literally impugning the effectiveness of the Bible itself. That's literally what you're doing. And I say for a person like that, you're gonna find yourself in hell because now what you're doing is, you may be real, we may be realizing just how unsaved you actually are. Now, if you're saved, fine, fine. You're not a very good Christian. You're not a very, here's a word, you're not a smart Christian. You're not a smart Christian because you're impugning the one thing that saves us all. And again, maybe you just don't know what you're doing. That'd be the good thing to say. The best thing to say is you don't know what you're doing. The worst thing is that you do know what you're doing. You do know what you're doing. And that's the problem. You are telling people not to give the gospel because they don't bring signs on, you should be bringing signs and wonders and so when they get out there in the street, they get out there and Mary, listen, I understand everything that you're saying, but let me share with you and then you go to share within the gospel. And no one falls out. No, by the way, how come no one ever falls out at home by themselves? No one's ever slain in the spirit by themselves. No one ever is slain in the spirit in traffic, driving or flying a plane, anyway, but no one is slain in the spirit. No one speaks in tongues. No one is healed. No one has three toes that are grown back. And that happens, which means I didn't get saved, the person didn't get saved and there's no need for me to try to do it with anyone else because I don't have that ability. I don't have that power like you do. Mister who could not save his sick wife though you're telling everyone else to use that power to heal. By the way, if you haven't figured this out, Bill Johnson is one of the biggest hypocrites in America. He just really is Christian or otherwise. He's just like, but Guillermo. Can I play Guillermo again? That's something about Guillermo's look that I like. And the gospel of the kingdom is never preached without miracle signs and wonders. In other words, let me say it another way. It is illegal, by the way, if you're watching, it is illegal to preach the gospel without miracle signs and wonders. Jesus never send the church or commissioned the church to preach the gospel without miracles. It is illegal. In other words, that make us illegal witness. In other words, I think it's an insult to the cross of Christ to preach the gospel without power. Now, me personally, you know me, I'm out of here guy. I'm out of here, but I gotta say, I like his hairdo. I must say, I like his hairdo. I like his hairdo. I don't know what it is, but I like his hairdo. Even though he's saying that all the preaching that I've ever done or any of you ever done, it's been illegal. I would love to hear the passage, but what it is is just this charismatic interpretation of the scriptures, which is incorrect, but that's fine. That's fine. Jesus says, matter of fact, let's pull on the screen. Let's just go to the screen. Let's just see if Jesus messed up. Let's see if Jesus messed up. All right, let's go and see. He says, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you and low I'm with you. Jesus, why don't you tell them what Guillermo told us? Why don't you tell them what Isaiah told us? Why don't you tell them what Bill Johnson told us? Why not? Paul, why not? Peter, why not? Jude, why not? James, why not? Bartholomew, I know you never wrote anything, at least canonical, but I don't think you did either, so I'm gonna impugn you. Thaddeus, same thing for you. Thomas, same thing for you. All you apostles and everyone else, why are you letting us down by not giving us the true authentic word of God with power like Guillermo, like Isaiah, like Bill Johnson said. You have let us down. You have let us down. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. What it is is guys, if you listen to these people, I don't know how much you need to hear, because what's gonna happen is somebody's gonna say, well, leave them alone, stop talking, okay, whatever. I'm not gonna listen to you. I'm not going to stop calling out foolishness, especially the dangerous kind. I've said before, and I won't touch this with them again. I won't call out somebody for the same thing twice. Now, it may be the same thing, they bring a new twist on it, but they don't do that. But if you're gonna keep harming the body, if you're gonna keep bringing things out that's gonna damage the body, there's no greater heresy than effectively telling people to stop preaching gospel. And that's really what you're doing. It is effectively saying, since you don't have power, one, you can't preach the gospel. And if you didn't receive it with power, then you're not safe. You're a liar. You are a liar. You are deceived and you are hurting the body. I pray that guys, if you see someone around someone like this, if they're trapped in this foolishness, that you call them to wake up, that you give them the true gospel, that you give them what the word says. That's power. I am convinced that the power of the gospel, the preach word, hearing this is what saves. And no matter what Isaiah or anyone else would say, they're wrong, let every man be a lie and let God be the one who's telling the truth. That's the case. And so if I haven't said it again, avoid these heretics. Amen.