 Okay, so we ask him pedigrees how many forces, you know, what causes change? What causes particles to come together and fall apart? He says love and hate, two different forces, love and hate, harmony and disharmony. We ask Gana Xagoras what causes forces to come together and fall apart, objects to come together and fall apart. He says it's one force, mind, right? It causes the vortex and we get the spin. All right, we ask Lusipus the Democrat is what causes atoms to come together and fall apart? And they say, random, there is no force. It just happens. There is no force. It just happens. So we ask what causes all these objects to exist and they say nothing. It's random.