 It is the touch line here on Y254, Robert Rosoro is my name. Beautiful afternoon, we have been talking about rugby Kenya, the world cup qualifiers, but now is when we get to know what really happened in that match and some of the other matches that also were played on the African continent and the world over in this 2022 world cup qualifiers as Kenya lost to Mali away by five goals to Neu. The last time Kenya lost by that margin, we have to go back to the 80s, 82 there and I think early 2009 I think we lost to Egypt also by five goals to Neu. Joining us here on set to talk about everything Fanzon is Taira Swayaki was here with me for the sports pages and also Erika Ganya also coming here for football. Erika, how was your weekend? Erika has been good apart from the humiliation that we got as a national team. It really spoiled the mood of the week completely. Taira has described it as a soap opera. How can you describe that much? It was just a humiliation, a serious humiliation to a national team bearing in mind that in the first 30-40 minutes you've considered four goals, you have no room of coming back to that game. Tactically we were outplayed. The fielding of the players problem and that goes back to defederation because you brought in a coach three weeks to the qualifier and here we have a double header. They are coming back on Sunday, the same team to players here and you see those two games were very crucial and when you have those changes three weeks to those games you are likely to suffer and we suffered as a national team. I had a conversation here, I think you were listening to it when we were talking about rugby and the same thing I've actually realized also happens to being football because we've been talking to many experts and they usually say our players take time to develop before they get to the basics and development is key for us. When we look at that much, those players are I might be wrong and I can understand to be corrected I can take it. Those players are a bit inexperienced to play in the African continent going against a team like Mali. We lacked experience, I have to agree with you because if you look at the players that were brought in quite a number of them, that is a very big stage for them. So you need to have a mix or a blend of youth and experience and that is why we question some decisions for example the likes of Victor Onyama retiring from the national team. He may not do much on the field but the 30 minutes that he'll be on the field he'll be able to motivate these players. He's been there at that stage, he's played at a bigger stage at Tottenham, at Southampton so he will be able to manage some of these situations. Our players have not, most of them are playing locally and to make matters worse even those who are feeling like the likes of Juwesha Nyango, Juwesha Nyango naturally is a centre-back so when you play him at right-back you've confused him more and then you're playing against a Mali team that has had their coach for the last 2-3 years a Mali team that under 21 they reached I think the final and a Mali team that has been developing throughout a Mali team that has experienced and they are composed of that particular type so we need to go back to the drawing board we need to go back to the drawing board take time one year, build a team that can compete internationally. Tairas, world over look at Cristiano Ronaldo, 36 Edison Kavani, still playing you remember the Italian goalkeeper Gigi Buffon Zlatan Ibrahimovic Zlatan Ibrahimovic back here at home look at the Egyptian captain, El Hadri you remember the goalkeeper I think he played up to his 40s we lacked players like Jesse Wehren Victor Mugubiwa Nyama Teddy Akumu in that team that has to be our main undoing I think this problem is deeper than what the eyes saw on the field it goes back up to the federation Nik Mwendoa has not been running Kenyan football as it ought to have been run especially in this his second term and we discussed this on the opening segment the spot to put it mildly the spot between Nik and Gormaya and AFC Leopards can also be attributed to the shutting out of AFC Leopards and Gormaya players who might have had a bit more experience than the lads we fielded from being fielded last Thursday night now that is petty that is putting egos and sideshows above the national interest that is taking things a bit too far Eric has also mentioned the issue of having in a coach randomly a few in the middle of world cup qualifiers and a few days before a very important game against Amali side even though they were slow of the blocks in this particular qualifier they beat Rwanda by a poultry 1 nil and then drew with Uganda they were looking for that confidence and then they would pick Harambe stars gave them that confidence on a silver plata now really you can't squarely blame the young guys who are fielded this thing runs deeper to the way we've managed football Muendwa in his second term and a coach who was depending on other people to tell him field this one, field this one because he doesn't quite know the players and a technical bench whose loyalty to this particular team now also looks in doubt and jeopardy actually there is a friend of mine on first book he is actually a very big football journalist and he has been doing a countdown this coach and actually his contract now is 46 days to go as we look at it and also Eric that changing of the coach at the middle of campaigns the World Cup preparing for the World Cup qualifiers we had Francis Kimansi as the coach then midway through coach Francis is out we bring back Jakub Ghostumile Ghostumile I think managed nine matches I think he won three drew four there and lost I think one match midway through is off the field of play with protein coach Firaat the Turkish now coming in first match loses five nail now those are the decisions he is talking about that are away from the field of play that are impacting the performance of these players I think there is I have to agree with him that there is some organs that is with the federation president in his second term because he is doing thing the same way expecting different results because you saw what he did during Kimansi's time Kimansi was trying to build a team you bring in Ghostumile midway midway through a campaign it didn't bring the results now you repeat the same mistake then you are not learning from that and this one was even worse because you remember Kimansi left he left together with his technical bench the whole of it when Ghost left he left with his assistant Muluya remained the other assistant remained so he brought in a new coach new tactics but Muluya is there and a few others of the old block so there is a confusion of a clash of tactics here and then the coach is not if he had brought in a Kenyan coach maybe who has been trained coaching in the Premier League understands Kenyan football understands African football understands the players who are playing but he is a guy who has come from Europe I saw his record posted it on Facebook some time he has played 11 and won 9 drawn most of them and lost in his previous engagement so what were you expecting we expecting confusion and the confusion is what we saw in the field because you saw players from look at people like Saruni who was left out altogether the Olinze Keeper who has had a good season look at Major who has been centre forward was played on the right wing you see such kind of things it demotivates the players here we cannot blame the players for these results the back and the blame should lie on the coach and the federation and Nick should take responsibility and apologies to Kenyans because as Kenyans we are the football lovers we are the ones who are suffering and I don't know what to expect on Sunday because this is a game that is going to be played without even fans and that issue there's no home advantage that issue that he's also pointed out that we pointed out earlier of playing players in positions that are not naturally theirs that's finishing the team completely exactly and you finish the confidence of the team because you look at somebody like Joshua Nyingko he was played off position after we considered the fourth goal he was withdrawn altogether what is going through that player's mind you've killed the moral completely how do you expect him to perform in the next game Big one for Kenya they are considering that now Mali is leading that group by 7 points Uganda 5 points Coach Michu for Uganda has actually come back to Uganda his second time now managing Uganda and then missed out on the Afqon the last edition of the Afqon actually they played very well making it on to the last four of that tournament and it's a team that is on the rise with experienced players they might get that spot for the World Cup for the first time they have a chance the window is quite open for them and one thing that could bolster their hopes is the fact that this Mali side yes they've been building up yes they have a fantastic coach who seems to have his head above the water but they are not really exceptional they are not wow like the same can be said of Nigeria the same can be said of one or two other teams so Uganda have a chance and actually what made Mali look so exceptional is the fact that Harambe stars did not quite turn up for that game in the first few opening minutes when Harambe stars looked confident Mali looked very average in fact Michael Olunga almost scored a second minute goal he was just off target now with Uganda looking like they are they have a chance against Mali they have a chance against Fwanda and they are playing Harambe stars at home in Kampala they'll have a beautiful chance especially against us big one there for Uganda as they might get a chance to represent East Africa when it comes to the World Cup but the problems of Kenyan football can take the whole day to be talked about and we expect to talk about it some other time but let's go ahead to talk about everything that is happening on the fans on today we've got the UFO Nations League final coming your way I think tomorrow the second edition and it will be in the San Siro where France will be playing against Spain big match that will be coming there big match because if you look at these two teams France vs Spain what they have overcome to reach the final is a milestone France beat Belgium Spain beat Italy Italy are the European champions and I looked at the Spanish team they are building something special it's a 17-year-old boy in the midfield who really ran the show and that tells you about structures in football remember Spain had a structure and had a golden generation that elapsed the likes of Shavi, the likes of Iniesta now they are bringing in another one how I wish we adopt such kind of things look at France France they were able to beat Belgium Belgium were leading 2 nil France came from down and they beat them 3-2 without even the likes of Angolo Kante playing and we've had Angolo Kante really pulling the strings so tomorrow we are looking at a very exciting game between these two giants and maybe I'll put my money on France based on experience we have a more experienced coach more experienced squad and more desire and hunger to win now that they didn't perform well at the Euros because it was expected they will do very well at the Euros they have a good squad and I'm happy if you look at the French squad Benzema coming in and really fitting in and doing wonders for the national team and that is why we talk about experience you see now experience coming one team that actually failed to turn up now let's say it can be Belgium because this is the generation that when you look at Belgium you see this is a team that can go ahead and win at Trophy but when it matters the most they do not turn up Belgium story is one of mixed emotions very inspirational but then falls short of getting to the finish line in pole position they gave us a beautiful walk up in 2014 if you remember and then at the just concluded Euros last summer they did exceedingly well and almost beat Italy but again fell short of finishing at the pole position when it mattered most now that's a story of mixed fortunes that golden generation can only do so much time now is against them the Lukaku that beautiful generation that era I think it's pretty much over for them but they just have one last throw of the dice which is next year's walk up if they qualify they might just they might just they might just they might just I'm not saying they win it I'm not saying they win it they might just count on the experience that Eric is talking of that's pretty much it you don't buy that I don't buy that I equate Belgium to Holland they are the biggest pretenders in world football because you'll find the Netherlands they excite the fans when it matters most they fall short Belgium has really disappointed many fans because they have everything in that squad they have look at what the brun is doing at one city look at what Lukaku is doing at Chelsea look at Anolo Rigi these are players look at the players who are at their peak and they have a youthful manager in Roboto Martinez so I wonder why is it that they cannot bring in that finish and why is it that they are not learning from their previous mistake the same applies to Holland Holland does the same because we are in the qualifiers and then when it matters most in the main cup they do nothing so I think their time is up because we have other countries that are coming up like Portugal that is also producing very good talent we have Italy, Roboto Mancini has built a team from nothing and we have the Spanish team that is rebuilding so they are in trouble just to put in for the UFO Nations League he reckons France will win if I am to put in my input for that I think Spain they started the Euro slowly and then they started building building the confidence they grew in Stature very against Italy they lost in the semi-finals but it was due to tactics they gave too much to the Italians the Italians sat back and then hit them on the counter it went down to penalties they lost on that they made mistakes and they looked very impressive in the UFO Nations League I am going with Spain tomorrow big story that we have been following also but we will talk about it later but let's quickly pass through the Balloon Dolo 2021 nominees we have got Cristiano Ronaldo they are Lionel Messi is there Harry Kane actually made onto that list and we have got I think five players from Chelsea also making onto that list we have got Edward Mendy coming onto the list Ngolo County Joginio Romelu Lukaku and Cesar Aspelkweta no forgetting the young man Manson Mount also coming onto that side where will that trophy go to there is a lot of hula balu about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi and in my humble opinion last season they didn't do much Cristiano Ronaldo if you look at club level Juventus didn't win anything he scored very many goals I like him at his edges he has really done well Lionel Messi came to regain his form the last minutes but look at Ngolo County what he did for Chelsea he is the one who assisted Chelsea to win the UFO Champions League and without him he did not have won the likes of Joginio also won the Champions League and won the World Cup the Euros with Italy so my money would have been more focused on the likes of Ngolo County because he is a player who is very instrumental for the last 12-13 years I think Messi and Ronaldo just been a tug of war between Messi and Ronaldo and when you look at it it is because it has been it was made to be a trophy not the impact you have on the team I usually go back to my best I think 2005 2006 when Fabio Canavaro won it winning the World Cup and also winning the Champions League with Real Madrid and they gave it to a defender because of merit and what he had done to the team my vote today I will go for Ngolo County because not forgetting the final what he did in the semifinal what he did for the team into the running and them going on to win that trophy he will go with my vote who will you go for? I will go for Joginio but you are right there is that criteria of determining who is the ballon door is it goals, is it defensive is it a guy who stands between the posts final perhaps even wins the trophy it's very controversial and it sort of kills the debate but at the same time it excites the debate around the ballon door the reason why I would go for Joginio is pretty simple his performance has been underrated but he put in such effort for Chelsea to win the UFA Champions League Chelsea to win the UFA Super Cup and for Italy to win the Euros he deserves it because of the titles that he won you look at his individual input in the Euros that final he got injured against England very early on in the game ordinarily most players would just do this and they are out substituted and someone he really did get injured but he played on he went for glory he chased for it even got to a point whereby he wasn't able to successfully score his penalty in the shootout but remember when he was fully fit against Spain he scored his penalty kick exceptionally well so for me what more does a player need to do to inspire the beauty that football is it's got to be Joginio for me and I'll give it to him all day long big one there Joginio go look at it hours for the Ballon doro we'll be waiting to see who will be going to win and it is the touch right here on Y254 I'm Robert Rosoro I'm joined by Taira Swayaki and Erika Ganya as we discuss everything that is happening in the world of football big story also that comes out is we've got a new owner in town and that is got to be Newcastle having made a deal there and now they are one of the richest backed clubs at the moment with the Saudi Saudi Arabian people coming on to buy the club at 300 million for us we don't care about how much money these guys are bringing in and everything we care about what's next for Newcastle they are what's next we know the Arsenal fans will not like this a friend of mine was telling me now Arsenal has stepped down because Newcastle definitely come up because they've been bought what we are seeing is something really exciting taking place you see these clubs they are being bought by the Arabs and they are pumping in a lot of money what will make them make an impact and they will be first casualties the first casualties will be the coach Steve Bruce will go because with that kind of money they need a coach who can attract the big players a coach who can manage the big egos you look at people clubs like PSG has very big egos we have Neymar, we have the likes of Messi, Baba in one dressing room you look at Man City so they need an established coach and such kind of a coach who can manage that transition they are not many we have the likes of you see Murino did it with Chelsea in 2004 he managed that maybe Conte because he is the big name coach who is not attached to any club maybe he may be the one who may come in and be able to attract the big players and calm the egos because here players will come in they will be paid very huge salaries pride comes in so we need a coach who will tell them look at my medals I have won this and this so your salary will not tell me anything actually I was looking at the book maker sites and the coaches that are leading on and you have actually mentioned Osable who is on that list Antonio Conte is also on that list and those are the most likely coaches that Newcastle will go for but let's also look at the players kind of players Newcastle because they were talking about being injected I think upwards of 200 million and they can allow to buy any player they want on the planet they are facing relegation even though it is seven matches that we have played so far in the league what kind of players can Newcastle attract even in the January transfer window well first and foremost when such a takeover happens it's important that the new ownership one understands football and number two loves football then they know that here we need a manager who will give room to do as he pleases will give him the budget to buy as he pleases but demand results of him so what sort of manager are we looking for we are looking for either Antonio Conte as he has put it we are looking for either Jose Mourinho who is committed at Roma rather recently so might not be that readily available a prospect and we are looking at Zinedine Zidane now that is someone who can walk into any dressing room and he doesn't have to say a word there will be silence and everyone will look up to him he has proven it on the pitch up to world cup level not to mention the euros he has also proven it as a manager he has won a hard trick of UFO champions leagues back to back who does that other than Zizu so once that formula is followed then now we can talk of the players which player can you buy with that kind of money there is a balando list of 30 players we saw from yesterday short listed you can just pick up a piece of paper and decide we want this one, this one, this one that January window opens like this and you see them floking one after the other they have the kind of money I have never ever seen in football we are talking huge huge sums of money but that money has to be used well because we saw a similand being bought after big sums of money came into place and they just dipped in performance why because the new ownership did not seem to quite understand football long for their money to impact positively now is when we are seeing a similand come back up the same happened at intermiland now is when we are seeing intermiland come back up and last season they won the Italian Syria so once those dynamics are addressed well and ownership that loves and understands football a manager who can do the business and then the players follow we are talking of new castle united next season in the same length and breadth that we will be talking of Liverpool Chelsea Manchester United and Manchester City all in all it takes time for a club to come into that level I think you saw the genuine city took to get onto that level but let's look at that it's on our screen there where they have said that we don't demand a team that wins we demand a club that tries do you think new castle and the takeover now represents that it represents that because one thing about new castle even before the takeover they have the most loyal fans in English football and no team has a fans who are so loyal and committed like leads and new castle and they have a big following and this news excites the fans and as he says no player is unbiable nowadays look at the patriotism the love for club ended with the likes of gigs and the likes of scalls who could say no money will pull me out of Manchester the likes of Gerard it ended completely today's players are mercenaries where the money is is where they will go and you find that these people are going to dangle a lot of money to these young players the 25-year-olds they are going to dangle a lot of money and they will not make a huge impact as Tyra says to the top 4 directly but they will compete they will give these other clubs a run for their money even towards the end of the season after the January transfer window they are not going to go down and next season they will come back stronger and the seasons that follow because these guys will continue pumping in money and the seasons that follow the sequence seasons they will now come back to the top 4 and it will be scary it will be scary because Newcastle fans are loud, they are arrogant and they love football it will never be a walk in the park going on to St James's Park to play against Newcastle big team there and we wish them success as now there will be one of the major money back that are coming on to the English Premier League 2 days of the 80s and 90s of the magpies that we knew about big one that is coming up but we cannot finish off without talking about Manchester United Oleguna Solcia is a coach also in trouble big support from the boardroom and everybody that is there at Manchester United but the fans are not content with the silent assassin as the coach of Manchester United before I delve into that let me pass my condolences to Bakdi Musins family we worked with him here at Broadcasting House he was a senior broadcaster to us but he meant well for everybody so most heartfelt and sincere condolences to the family and I wish him a safe journey into the next world may he rest in eternal perfect peace Oleguna Solcia two consecutive times I was here Manchester United has what looks arguably like the best squad in world football today the team is up here they need a manager who is up there we just discussed about how important it is to have managers who can walk into a dressing room and players turn around look at them and know this guy will win me trophies let me listen to him manager very good player legend in terms of managerial prowess he's done a good job at Manchester United for a first timer at that level and he's done his best when you look at where he found the team when Mourinho left and where he's brought them surely he's done pretty well he finished second last season in a league that has Jürgen Klopp and so on so he's done pretty well but he's reached his wits end that's the end of the road for him it's time for a bigger manager whether it's Zidane whether it's Antonio Conte who can handle this team because potentially this team can win you even the football world cup but if they need the kind of manager who do that for them don't suck him retain him at United in some role continue learning the ropes from there he's got potential to manage properly Eric, be the last word for us he lacks one thing rootlessness because as a manager look at Pep he's very rootless look at Tushel bring in a player, player doesn't perform 20 minutes remove him, Olegana cannot do that Olegana cannot even sell the dead woods he has he's the Mr. Nice guy he's done well even tactically bring in trophies Olegana will not do that his time has run out it is inevitable Manchester to go to the next level they have to bring in somebody else who is in your scope who do you think can come in because I think last season Manchester was in four semifinals in making I think to one final which they lost actually which manager do you think can come to Manchester United can come to the next level now right now whoever is available Antonio Conte give him that squad he's going to do miracle what about Zidane even Zidane can do well with that squad because Zidane is a tactician Olegana is not a tactician Olegana is a talent builder look at Greenwood Greenwood is doing very well under Olegana but now game management that 90 minutes much better squad than Unai Emery he was beaten by Unai Emery and the other day we had to rely on a last minute Christiano Ronaldo goal to beat Unai Emery but if you look at the squad on paper it's one of the best squad the game management the 90 minutes is a problem for Olegana souls here we have the likes of Tuchel who gets a red card in the first half against Liverpool and we have Olegana who gets a red card against young boys leading one nearly and he loses that game to one his timing of substitution is still a problem so we need a coach who can time his substitutes nicely Alexo Zidane or Antonio Conte the reason why I am going for Antonio Conte he's been in England he doesn't need to adapt he knows the Premier League how it is because he did it with Chelsea so it would be very easy for him to pick it up from there and do it with Manchester United Erika Ganya there for us here on the Tuchel and that's where we finish off our conversation here Santa Santa Teras and Erika for coming here on the Tuchel I am Robert Osoro thanks to my director Fadili and Brian for making this broadcast a success from Robert Osoro and the rest of the crew here on the Tuchel and we say good afternoon and thank you for joining us