 Competition is definitely part of human nature too, and it has a really necessary role not just in human society but in nature as well. Nature is full of competition, often very brutal, but that competition has to be understood as part of a larger coherency. So for example, weeds, they headlong compete for sunlight and soil space and water on a denuded patch of land. By doing so, they fulfill an important service that they hold down the soil, they prevent erosion, they allow rain to soak in instead of running off. They're doing something really important for the land through their competition, through their headlong rush to cover ground. So in the human realm, I think the proper role of competition, it's a way to discover and refine your gifts. So like in the car, we were talking about track and field, you know, and I was a distance runner. So maybe at the beginning, I thought I wanted to be a sprinter. Well, competition quickly showed me that I was not going to be a sprinter. And I learned then that my true gift was something else. And I was able to develop that gift through competition. So I'm not saying competition is a bad thing. However, we live in a situation that intensifies the competitive urge that it's, I mean, of course it's there. We wouldn't see all this competition if it weren't some part of human nature. But the system we have now amplifies that competition and suppresses other ways of interacting, especially in the economic realm. Yeah, so I'm not like trying to pretend the competition will go away or that it doesn't exist in nature or that, you know, 99 out of 100 tadpoles die before they reach froghood. Those aspects of life are part of the matrix too. But we do not need to live in a system that amplifies the competition and suppresses everything else. The reason that we have, that we see the world as being primarily about competition is that we live in, I think it's primarily a money system, but also an educational system. Like when you age, segregate kids and condition their rewards and their success on outperforming their peers, you're going to have competition. That's training for, it's training for the economy where there's a limited amount of reward artificially limited because of the debt based money creation system. So of course you have competition. We don't have to have a system like that. We could have other money systems that don't subject us to a world in which there's always more debt than there is money. That's a recipe for competition. It's like a game of musical chairs. This is the metaphor I used to explain the money system. Imagine that you're with a thousand people and you're playing a gigantic game of musical chairs, maybe with a thousand people and 950 chairs. And whoever doesn't get a chair, you're out of the game. And to make it interesting, let's also say that your kids have to go hungry and you lose your house and you're out in the street if you lose this round of musical chairs. So the music stops. Everybody scrambles for a chair and you know, I'm a nice guy, but man, my kids got to eat. You know, I'm going to go out of the way, you know, push that woman over there and I got my chair. And everybody's doing that except for a few altruistic individuals who give up their chair and suffer the consequences and they're out on the street. So that's the, that's the situation. And then I imagine like outside the circle, there's, there's the economist and there's the biologist and there's the politician and the priest. And the economist says, look at him, human nature competing for to maximize rational self-interest. Everyone's out for themselves. The biologist says, yup, it's genetically programmed. And the politician says, look at that behavior. Lucky thing they have me around to impose some limits on how much they can push and shove each other. And the priest says, I'm going to go and try to make them be better people. And he goes in and tries to convince them to be a little bit more gentle and let someone else have the chair. Well, and, but they all think that they're looking at human nature. But is that human nature or is it a consequence of the rules of the game? What would it look like if you had a thousand people on a thousand chairs? Then you might still have some competition, but you'd also have, like maybe, yeah, maybe all the chairs are a little bit different. And I am skinny and I like a soft chair and they like a hard chair. And I'm like, we might still have a lot of trade and negotiation and exchange, but it wouldn't have competition built into it. And so always we might compete for a chair that we both really like. And like there's still some messiness, but it's not like this, this tide, this current of competition against which we have to swim in order to cooperate or be nice to each other. So essentially the economic system, the money system is like a game of musical chairs where a certain amount of money is created through debt and there's interest on that debt. So there's, everyone is competing to acquire enough money to pay the debts. And of course it's a bit more complicated than this, but essentially all the money is created is debt. There's always more debt than there is money. So we have a climate of competition, a necessity for competition built into the system. And there's more to the story than that, but that's how, so the question isn't really is competition human nature? It's how do we create conditions? Or what conditions do we want to create to bring forth certain aspects of human nature? What kind of society do we want? If we if we only attack the response to the conditions, like the priest going in there and attacking greed and making people feel guilty for shoving that old lady out of the way to get the chair, then nothing's going to change.