 here. So we'll have two recordings. If you're honored here, Odile, we're gonna do two recordings. Okay. For what it's worth. So when in English and when in French, right? That would be a feat. That would really be a feat. Subtitle. Okay. I got three after. So I think we should get rock and roll and then people will join as they come along from their previous meetings here. So with that, let's get started here. Welcome everybody to the 22nd of July, Hyperledger Supply Chain Special Interest Group webinar or standard meeting here. And this time, we're fortunate enough to have Odile from Rene from Renault here to talk about certifying the compliance of vehicle components from design to production. So I appreciate Odile you joining here. Before we get started, a couple of things. Our next session on August 5th will be a working session for our small projects, small projects, one around use cases that Eric is leading up, as well as one around RFI questions, RP questions that Yari Bourbon and Blanca in Europe are heading up. So if you have any interest in joining or those groups, please contact me and I can put you in touch with both of them. Also, next week, there is a session from Simba Chain on Connecting Supplier and DOD blockchains for transparent part tracking on Wednesday, July 28th. That Hyperledger is sponsoring, so you can go out to the Hyperledger website and you'll see that session out there. So with that, oh, one last thing here. I put in the chat Hyperledger anti-trust policy link so that governs our meeting today here. This is open. Please don't share anything that is confidential. I know Dio, I'm sure you won't here or anybody else who's asked any questions. And no deal is asked for questions to remain until the end. Please type them into chat and then we'll come back and we'll grab those here. So before we begin or before I turn it over, I have two questions for Odeo because she's a car person. She was very specific about that. That's great. That's great that she works at Renault. Odeo, what was your first car? My first car was Renault 5. Wow, you're at the right company then. Yeah, absolutely. And it was because I come to Renault very early. So my first car was a Renault Renault 5. Wow, okay. And what is your current car that you're driving? Espace. Renault, of course, Espace. Okay, okay. So we can all go out to our local dealer and site, see what the Renault Espace looks like. Okay, Odeo, it's over to you. I'll turn it over to you here. Okay, so hello everybody. My name is Dilpan Ciatissi. I'm blockchain vice president at Group Renault. And I spent, as you mentioned, most of my career in vehicle engineering, design cars and all that. I do also some quality strategy and digital transformation more recently. I've been very lucky in my career because I had the opportunity of working on very innovative projects such as Twingo, maybe you hear about it, or Logan, very famous car. And I've been head of vehicle engineering until 2015. And after that, I focus on digital transformation. And in 2018, more specifically in blockchain technology, I also represent today French automotive industry for blockchain. And I have the great honor to be coordinator of the first blockchain automotive development scale called Exyn. And we will come back later on this project. But I would like first to share the current context of her industry. If it works. Everything else is work. So this is going to work too. Oh, there you go. Okay, so we have a big evolution of society and industry. A society is becoming more demanding, responsive, connected, smarter. And we have a strong desire of authenticity. And the severity of regulation imposed by authorities are increasingly are increasing rapidly and pushed by the demands of citizens. And we can see for ourselves, more of them, of us are making corporate responsibility of company as an absolute priority in purchasing criteria. And in automotive industry, the competitive landscape is changing with new entrants. And many times not coming from automotive industry. And we have new collaboration for offering other forms of mobility and not just cars. At the same time, we have an increase of the level of technology. And we have connected cars, of course, but we have autonomous cars. So, of course, we face huge investment for technological development. And at the same time, the amortization is not that evident, because the volumes due to customization and product diversity are decreasing. So high investment and low volumes. So to face these societal challenges, we need to be more collaborative within the ecosystem. And it's really a condition of surviving for our industry. So let's talk a bit about the customers. We know very well, and we have seen the last months that we're living in a vucal world, volatility, certainty, complexity, ambiguity. And the word of mouth becomes more and more important and amplified by social media. We see the demands of customers following some trends I would like to share with you. Everybody wants to keep its ownership of data. And the monetization, the personal monetization becomes usual today. Today, customer wants seamless experience and put company responsibility as top priority in buying criteria. Fraud is quite fearing. And particularly what we have seen with the COVID crisis, this fear is increasing a lot. And the reinforcement of authentication is really a must today. Customer want to be protected by regulations such as GDPR in Europe, but many other regulations also and more and more numerous and more severe each day. So for car, what does it mean? Just to give you some figures, to be approved for sale, a vehicle must be compliant with all the regulation needed in the country of sale. And we have more than 100 of regulatory domains covering the car. And for example, a domain is a frontal crash, for example, or CO2 emission. And each regulation impacts each part and component until the end of a supply chain. And for a car, for example, we have more than 6,000 regulation characteristics under the responsibility of the global supply chain network. And of course, the compliance of the vehicle depends on the compliance of each characteristic. And the game will not be that funny if the updates and new regulation were not coming frequently, such as 300 changes a year impacting new models or all applicable in specific due dates in one country and not on the other and so on. So regulations are more and more numerous, more and more severe, and interactivity between all the members of the ecosystem and the supply chain needs to be more and more reactive and efficient to answer to those new regulations. So this regulation status has been the starting point of the project exceed. In 2018, we have seen the coming in September 2020 of a new regulation including market surveillance. So we were used to conformity of production in the plants. But we have since last September 2020, an additional request on market surveillance means that each country of European Union will pick some cars on the market, no matter where and when it has been produced. And they will check the compliance. And we are not talking only about CO2 emission, but the scope has been extended to 61 regulation domains. So you have seen that we have in total 100, so more than 50% of domain. So it means that 1,000 of regulation characteristic, and we must be able to provide without a new delay the detailed result of certification. It means that once or two time a month, we will need to produce in one week the complete information of compliance result, no matter when and where the car has been produced. And I can ensure that it's a tricky exercise when we need information in the depth of the supply chain. And the risk here is, of course, financial, because if we are not able to answer within one week, we have a penalty of average 30 kilo euro by car. But more than that, the reputation risk in case of lack of reactivity, look at what happens in the Volkswagen gate. So if we take another regulation, we can talk about material in each industry. Everybody knows for Europe rich European regulations since 2007. And rich means registration, evaluation, authorization of chemical. And the implementation of this regulation has been very painful in 2007. And why? Because we need to ensure in this wonderful database that has been created international materials data system, we need to be to ensure that real time we can we are compliant with the declaration of all the substance material for component, sub component car and blah, blah, blah. So this is clearly not that easy. I was exchanging some days ago with one of the supplier rank two of painting with pigments and all that. And obviously the respect of this regulation remains really a pain point in term of resources needed for being compliant. And to complete a material scope from beginning of this year, we have a new regulation on conflict minerals. I think that you have in United States already this kind of regulation involving Cantal, tungsten, gold and tin. And this regulation imposed to have a traceability of mineral origin, of course, but also the logistic flow being sure that the flow will not pass through Iran or things like that or conflict country. And in 2022, we must be fully compliant using those material. So I can ensure that tin is included in a lot of vehicle parts and components. So it will be a tricky exercise. And with connected cars, let's talk about the connected cars. Authorities are enriching the scope with the need of implementing a real cybersecurity management system to be able to answer to new audit requests. Here we are talking of a real end to end compliance with all the complexity of 100 of calculators of a car that will be updated over the air. So we have also the link of onboard software and off-board software with different life cycle, but with the same need of cybersecurity compliance. And of course, this future regulation, because it is planned in 2022, will impact not only the OEM, but the entire supply chain. So as a conclusion, you can see that regulation context put a high pressure on automotive industry, particularly, and requires new processing tools at ecosystem level, not at company level. And this is how the idea of Exist was born. So Exit are the initial for extended compliance end to end distributed. So now I would like to share a short video to explain very quickly what Exit tool is. So today we have a very sequential organization in the event of ODIT. The authority request is addressed to companies and to factories and suppliers rank one, rank two, and the path is the same for the answer. So it takes a long time. And the Exit platform, the idea is to implement a platform used in a continuous mode, fed automatically or manually, in real time by each company, regardless of rank, when the compliance information is needed, the response is directly available. So you can see a short demonstration to have a visibility of the component and subcomponent and having the status of the, at one glance, you see if it is red or green, and you see what kind of test of monitoring plan are not okay. So what has been the journey until this Exit platform creation first, the framing phase based on pain point as a regulation severity and at ecosystem level. Then we launch a proof of concept and we make an industrial test of this proof of concept successfully in a runaway plant with six supplier side first. The test allows us to identify the points to be completed. Okay, sorry. So this test allows us to test the governance process, of course, and the ability of working in co-petition and gives us confidence for passage at scale. Then we move forward to classical MVP at scale, developed following the agile methodology, and of course we are in progress with several release in the coming weeks. So let's focus on the current status today. Maybe you have seen some press release and articles in media about Exit project. Exit deals then with the increase of regulation, but also customer demands about transparency of conformity and compliance. So the Exit project is all about collaboration through the supply chain. It answers really a day to day ecosystem concern, and particularly in this time of crisis where we may have some parts missing and we have run a stop and go in the plants and it's very difficult and it's a very fragile context for quality in that time of crisis. So this platform aims to increase quality and competitiveness. It's and that's very important. It's an inclusive platform. So it's really an opportunity to boost the digital transformation of the anti-ecosystem and not only for big players, but also for small companies. With Exit we have the opportunity to enhance technological sovereignty clearly with blockchain technology and the ambition we have is really to create compliance conformity traceability platform for the anti-ecosystem of the automotive industry and not only I can ensure that I have some requests from aeronautics industry about this platform. And so this platform is secured by blockchain technology. I already mentioned that, but we have defined other steps about big data and also artificial intelligence. Because here with that kind of platform we create collective intelligence and instead of executing artificial intelligence algorithm on a company sample of data we can execute it on a sample of ecosystem data. So very very rich and very powerful. So this platform will use sovereign cloud of course and so it's a promise of high quality traceability and it brings real time. That's a very important to be real time instead of having a very sequential information. This platform will allow digital continuity of supply chain because everybody is bringing its part of the wall, its brick to build the wall and it's quite interesting because what we have seen is that small company like SME may not have or can't afford information system on their own and they have here access to a powerful blockchain system at low cost. So this platform ambitions to onboard first wide European automotive industry and it's clearly an opportunity to boost automotive industry competitivity and technological sovereignty. So let's sum up now the value brought by Exid. First you get performance. You increase efficiency within the ecosystem with automatic and real time access to data and automatic checking and alerting of data thanks to smart contract. The interesting added value is to create this digital continuity within the ecosystem and at that step we implement operational excellence not at company level but at ecosystem level and it's very powerful because each member of the ecosystem is winner. Then you get reactivity in implementation of blockchain as it is not very intrusive technology it's a sort of mesh above the data system so not very intrusive in information system of each company and it's also reactive in usage because it facilitates real time exchanges and the reactivity also allows to increase customer satisfaction. You have of course certification, authentication and anti fraud by design and it's very good to give this trust to our customers they are very demanding on this subject and another important thing is the certification of data owning because each member of the supply chain deals with a lot of information protected by IP or confidentiality and this blockchain system is really managed by each data owner and the certification of data owning is by design with this blockchain technology. So last but not least the opening of new opportunities with new data generation, new business opportunities and business model transformation thanks to the new data offered and the important thing and the center of the value you find trust within the working ecosystem in the supply chain but also outside for the customers and it's very powerful in term of brand image for each company of ecosystem. So Grupreneur is at the origin of this project and as mentioned we tested exit project successfully in 2019 in a web plant with six supply of sites and we have during this test lots more than one million document at the speed of 500 transaction by second. I will share just after the lesson is it no okay so just after I will share some lesson learn thanks to this industrial test so after this first test we quickly propose first to French then to European Automotive Industry to the collaboration on this project and despite of COVID crisis we signed in the year the partnership contract with the first partners so when you work in collaboration and co-petition you change from customer supplier relationship we have in supply chain today to a partnership and this is very powerful in the in the world evolution and in difficult times COVID crisis for example the collaboration is really the only way to continue progress and continue innovation so blockchain projects are collaborative projects and it means also share the expenses and shared risk so very interesting because one company has some difficulty in crisis time to afford all the risk on its own so I would like to share now a short video made with the partners with about the project so we supply more than 500 000 parts a day we deliver 15 000 door panels a day it's not enough just to do things good it's not enough that we deliver other competitive price we need to do that but also we need to be faster we need to be more flexible we need to be more efficient in what we are doing cars are more and more complex and the supply chain is getting longer and longer we are a company in many countries and many continents the regulations in each area are different and in addition each car manufacturer has its own demands non-compliancy is not an option we have to be compliant and it is critical that we are avoiding potential records because on the end this will damage customer and supplier reputation if we want to evolve and want to be faster and more successful collaboration need to be done to accelerate the whole process that's what XCID is giving you XCID is the first big blockchain project in the automotive industry this project has the ambition to create a compliance and conformity traceability platform for the entire ecosystem based on IBM in blockchain technology with XCID we can improve our quality reuse our costs our waste and that we can anticipate the problems it's bringing together all the good of sharing information without the bed you have the ability to share data with the right partners it's still a secure and you're not sharing with people who are not in your channel and this is really an enormous advantage IBM is a technological partner since the beginning and with XCID we have transformed the customer-supplier relationship into partnership XCID will enable greater transparency and trust within the ecosystem but its trust and confidence will be also given to our customers we are proud to join XCID because XCID is proposing this end-to-end control of the value chain and to identify the risks that we may have and around the non-compliancy XCID is a real opportunity for the european automotive industry for Renault to confirm its innovation skills and for me to have the pleasure of coordinating this exciting project I'd like to share now briefly some lesson learned thanks to the usage of XCID so the first point is think big begin small you you see a lot of proof of concept what I call mushroom here and there to test an ID but without a prior global vision of what will be the final target the proof of concept could lead to a dead end so you need to be clear on what will be the next step after the proof of concept if you want to scale a blockchain project otherwise you may develop proof of concept on the unsuitable protocol for example and not able for scaling up and so you are not getting the information on the poke experience and you don't see the value you need because when you you need to scale up you need to calculate a return on investment and if your proof of concept has not been done with the right technology and with getting information for confirming the value it will be a fail so you need really to think a proof of concept as a first step towards the final project the second important point is to choose the right use case blockchain technology is generally not needed within one company a lot of existing digital technologies are sufficient to make the job and for example you don't need to for pressing supply chain to have blockchain you you need it when you work with external company when you need to certify information in a trustworthy mode without a third party certification or when you have very complex processes then I can ensure that in automotive industry we have very complex processes with several actors and when it costs time and money to reconciliation data so in that case blockchain is really the ideal solution the blockchain may be really considered as a sort of mesh above the processes and the database of all the members involved in the network because today when we work in an ecosystem each company has its own process to exchange data and information and then it means we define today a transformation matrix between the respective processes and we spend more time in defining the means of exchanging excel file or things like that and we don't work a lot on the data itself we lose time on working on the format and not focusing on data and data model so that's really what the blockchain technology brings as a huge value creating a lean ecosystem process and focus on data and data model instead of exchange format and due to this very security mode of data exchange what we have seen in the in AXID project is that a partner may become very quickly the best one has been within two months all the contract has been signed and the link has been done within two weeks so very efficient so third recommendation focus on pinpoint solving it's quite easy to to say that but I can ensure that look at what the all the proof of concept you can find on the market many times you you don't see exactly what is the pain point solving so blockchain project to be sustainable must bring value to each member of the ecosystem so when we have launched the blockchain program within Renault we have done a lot of workshop with each function of the company and everyone thought about the relevant use case but we defined the priority based on pain point solving so that everybody was convinced of the value of the project an important need the support of the top management it's really key it's key for each big transformation and blockchain technology brings big transformation within each company you can see how difficult it is today to make the digital transformation in some cases because you break the silo through the function of one company and imagine breaking the silo through several companies with different culture so the collaborative work and co-petitive work is not that easy I can ensure so the decisions are taken in common for global optimum and no more by a single one you change supply your customer relationship into partnership it's really huge changes so if you are not supported at the top level it will be almost impossible to put a project at scale number five developing a project is one thing making it resilient and sustainable is another one so you need to think ecosystem for that because the more people are involved in blockchain project the easier it will be to create standards and to create evolution of features and this is possible thanks to the trust wrote by blockchain that what this technology can bring compared to other digital technology sharing the cost of development and implementation and pushing the standardization through ecosystem for more efficiency and sustainability very important the legal aspect when you work in collaboration you have to manage legal issue between many partners and I can tell you the the a sentence from a French author who wrote we all know here that law is the most powerful school of the imagination never as a poet interpreted nature so freely as a jurist you can imagine the result of the combination of the imagination of several jurists so the recommendation here for the legal issue because you will have legal issue when you develop a blockchain and a partnership project the recommendation here is to define among the partner a pilot legal department which will ensure the two by two convergence and provide a summary for the group and this is really a guarantee of efficient convergence last but not least the governance key point in the project success at scale in case of permission blockchain particularly you may have the most wonderful project of the world if the government is not able to fix rules and to make it respected the project will be in a difficult position so that was some lesson learned I want to I wanted to share with you before sharing the next steps of exceed of course we are on boarding widely all the relevant actors of automotive industries through wide Europe first but through the world at last and today we have of course a member of supply chain but of course we have more and more technological partners that are coming because we have the blockchain project of course but we have all the links with the legacy system of each company and so we are working also and we have created a specific status for these technological partners that want to to join the initiative then once we we will have the finish the good level of on boarding we we plan to enlarge the scope of features today we are dealing with safety and regular regulatory characteristic with geometry and with raw materials but of course we will enlarge because compliance is covering a lot of domain we will have with the over the year update of software software module that is particularly valuable we expand when we talk about and to end we expand the time phases not only in production today but in design and after sales because we have more and more requests from authorities to ensure the compliance and conformity of repair and maintain cars but the more we go on and the more we enrich the new modules battery traceability of course but here we have a specific topic because battery traceability is I think it's the longer chain only for traceability of cobalt you have 16 ranks so here we work in interoperability with other industry we have a chemical industry mineral industry and so we are working with other OEM to define the right architecture of this quite specific module battery because we have the realization of the battery on the car and this will be clearly on exceed but after that you have a very long and a very numerous type of industry so we are working with all this industry to see the best cutting off of this this chain to be more efficient then we we talk also about recycling of course and also say with two footprint so that's clearly the what we what we have in mind but we have many more to come we have about capacities of course when we live what we live today with electronic components of course we think about adding a module of capacities and each day we have new new idea so exceed will contribute of course to the future of automotive and will serve the acceleration of time to market because the stake and the challenge of tomorrow will be the speed and the quicker you you will you will be on the market and the best way you you will be so the important point is to as I mentioned already to think ecosystem and the customer must be known at ecosystem level and no more at company level if we want to go fast if we want to improve our processes we need to have this global ecosystem thinking and of course for customer and of course as at the partnership level also so of course external growth are key for the future of industry for being sure to deliver relevant and integrated products and also new services for new usage and for that we will need agility at ecosystem level to do that so we have a long and tough path in front of us but we have the keys for going on now and blockchain in is one of these keys because it is an enabler to collaboration and co-petition so that's all for the presentation thank you for your attention and I'm sure you have a lot of questions I have seen a lot of questions in the chat I would be pleased to answer and I can only ask a blockchain expert if Michel Le Porcher that is with me who is with me excuse me to join for answering your technical questions so ladies and gentlemen floor is yours thank you very much for a great presentation and sharing all the wonderful stuff that you guys have done with exceed here so in the interest of time I'm going to get right to the questions here and the first one here is can the end customer view the evidence of compliance if they can couldn't competitors also view this information so in term of visibility of course the the visibility is only for one channel means your competitor will not see your information that's clear then do we open it to the customer not at that step but we are quite sure that in the coming in the coming years the request of customers are more and more important about the transparency so we it really it will be surely something to add in the coming years not today but in the coming years quite sure yeah that probably informs your statement there the customer customer must be known at the ecosystem level that's a pretty bold statement yeah okay next question why did you decide on IBM as your development partner oh so very simple so I start the CEO assigned me the mission in April 2018 in May 2018 I identified that exceed will be it was not exceed that that's that but a blockchain project about trustability of compliance it would be a great project and then I go and and see the big service provider and see which which one will be interested in in developing this first co-innovation and of course we choose the best one so IBM because IBM of course we know that we have some links between IBM and Hyperledia but IBM is the the most advanced partner in development of project at scale and one more time we didn't search a partner for proof of concept we were searching a partner in view of this big platform so that's why we we choose IBM and we as Renault we develop and we test in a web plant with the MVP developed by IBM and when we launch the partnership we we do again a competitive analysis and there is a tough competition we identified 10 companies able to to develop this type of project we make a selection of four and then we have the the last tough competition between the four the last four bigs and IBM has been chosen in the partnership as the best one and not only for the development but also for the the running of the solution because it's not only to develop a platform we need to take care about the cost the running cost and the ability of scaling and taking in account all that so we have defined today two steps in the in the current contract the first one is before the creation of consortium we are today in a partnership not a consortium and we will create in the next year a consortium so probably a specific society and and all that and but we we want to test first all the governance process and all that with a limited number of partners to be sure that the consortium we launch next year will be sustainable and will be profitable for each member of the partnership and not only the big companies but also the SME so we are working a lot with SME because if we want to have a total view of supply chain it's not only the rank one that is interesting we have it today the important point is how we we onboard SME and how SME can see value in bringing information in the in the blockchain and that's a key point I love that you're using the word SME so much that's great all those players out there are trying to figure out how do I use blockchain and get some value out of it so that's great so let's go on to the next question here how long did it take from the moment you decide to use blockchain to the end of your first successful POC oh we I mentioned that the ID was in May 2018 we begin to to work with IBM end of 2018 we so we have the the first proof of concept by Christmas 2018 then we have an MVP that we test in 2019 so quite quite and after that of course the COVID put some delay in what we want to do because we have some companies that are in very bad situation and the first partner we have have no more resources for for joining us so we we have changed the partner during the 2020 year but what takes a long time is really the the contractual phase because as I mentioned you you have a lot of legal department and everybody wants to to change a word and all that and what has been very let's say tough and next time is to be clear on when you make this kind of collaborative project about IP about confidentiality and all that so we take about six months for for converging in the in the contract well and this is not the contract between you and IBM it's between no no it's yeah IBM and the other partners yeah okay and that was the most difficult point because you know everybody has his own view on the intellectual property and confidentiality and blah blah about the number of years and so it takes time you are making up the contract along the way that's great okay good let's go to the next question here how should exceed of all from proof of compliance conformity to actually secured by blockchain open parent cyber security protection of all the vehicle connected components to intelligent transport systems how yari you might want to hop on and explain that a little one little bit okay so you know it has been a long path and a tough path you you you need to be resilient and you need to be to be sure that all the you need to be sure that your project has value that's an important point so if you are convinced like that you have to implement the three phases we we just share I think we can go back to this slide maybe this one so you you have some cycle to to respect project framing program solving and you know it's I make a lot of cars in my career and what is very important is the first phase of framing if you don't frame well your project it would be a very long path but after that when your your pre-contract is quite good after that you have some proof of concept to be done then MVP and it's business as usual I think okay good thank you let's go on it because we have four minutes left here so question about is IBM hosting all nodes of the blockchain if so when do you plan to extend the network of additional nodes from different parties to bring in a degree a degree of decentralization and a similar question what version of hyper ledger fabric are you currently using okay so I leave the the floor to to leave Michelle all right you everyone currently we are using version 2.x of protocol if you want deeper I think it's 2.4 and the first half of the question could you please repeat sure uh let's see here the nodes the nodes yeah is IBM hosting all the nodes of the blockchain so when do you plan to extend the network with additional nodes from different parties to bring in a degree of decentralization actually depends on the way you create your architecture on one side and the resiliency of the system on the other so indeed we use Kubernetes to make it smart and nice at first and second point actually because it's a multicloud we use the consensus and in the in the way so there's a special shooting for that so that we can send it to several clouds each person having it but please note as you know that on my apology you have two kinds of of nodes to be certain that we reach a certain level of efficiency you cannot put committing nodes on everyone so yes you have replicas just for reading data that correspond to the to the to this um how can I say distribution phase but as of today with 2.x please note that there is a limitation on how much you can how can I say distribute the system maybe what I can add also that during the taste phase in our industrial test as Renault with some suppliers we have tested and confirmed the fact that we can have we implement a node within Renault to test how it works and of course we have defined the architecture and I see some comments the right architecture is not in cluster well it depends I think you you have to think about the the volume of data there is some tricky things because when you talk about compliance the the volume of data is quite important so we and IBM has been very very helpful thanks to his experience on the on the subject to define the right architecture adapted to the need we have because as we mentioned compliancy of of a car we are dealing about uh uh terra of data so it's a tricky exercise and the important point in to is to think not only of the beautiful object but also the running cost in production mode when you have worldwide you have 100 and 100 of plants and 1000 of 1000 of terra so it's a tricky exercise need to to think a bit about that beautiful thanks for those responses last question here can you guys stay on for a couple more minutes here can I give you one last question okay great so uh let's see here can you please explain briefly if you request a certification for each member of the exceed network and then the second part of that is would this partner be audited by a certification company like bureau veritas and on which aspect uh so uh it's funny that you you mentioned bureau veritas because we uh we are working with them and they want to uh to on board on the on the project of course not as a partner because uh but uh as a as a sponsor uh so we uh because blockchain certified things uh what we what we uh put when we talk about compliance of vehicle we have uh seen that we have characteristic and in the production uh in the production mode we define monitoring plan during the production and we have some characteristics that we uh monitor during the production for uh for ensuring and satisfying the conformity so we have all these tests that are done 100 percent for 100 percent of the part or a frequency test and uh the result we we are talking about the results of this test that are uh implemented in uh in this platform so uh here it we have uh the the partners uh can link directly through api uh their system if they have a database uh with uh with the result or they can enter that uh manually if they have a manual process and uh of course uh the certification will be uh done once to check uh if the uh the end to end process is uh correct and uh if the certification of the process is okay but after that uh of course uh we uh as uh as usual in blockchain uh garbage in garbage out but we have the history and uh for example if I take the example of the the cobalt uh of course you have a lot of uh mineral producer uh that thought that uh putting the uh fake data in blockchain will uh will be a good solution but uh with that we can have uh it doesn't prevent from having physical audits and make some uh test of consistency with uh the physical audits so um of course uh the the more the trust uh will be done and the more consistent the physical audit will be with uh uh information in blockchain of course the more trust we we will have but uh it's um anyway uh you can it's uh immutable uh data so uh that's really uh a huge improvement and uh one important thing is uh you have automatic check and alert of uh not realization of a test for example uh that we don't have today now uh so it's uh it's a more uh trustworthy uh tool than what we have uh today because today we can discover and sometimes what we have seen we we had uh last year I think a concern with a supplier because uh it didn't do anymore the test needed uh in the monitoring plan and we we don't have any uh alert uh on this uh on this point and we uh of course we we discover that with uh uh non quality result so uh it's more systematic it's more automatic and uh the added value of people in charge of quality generally uh will be more focused in analyzing the result instead of getting the information of the result and that's today the the main point great great thank you um there's a couple more questions here but I'm going to pass on those are you okay with people contacting you with questions if they have it yeah of course of course beautiful beautiful so merci odio morci eve here thank you very much for uh taking your time you guys have a great project we know now that you've been working on it and you still are smiling since april 2018 here absolutely three years in a few months so thank you very much for sharing this with us uh we really appreciate it and with that everybody thanks for asking your questions and uh joining in and for those on the recording uh hope you enjoyed this recording also so with that good day good evening and have a great weekend everybody bye you too bye