 Dream, welcome to the stream. Welcome. Happy Friday. It's a honky-tonk stream. Oh, great. Wait till we're on YouTube to seek the intellectual property protection. I was singing a song called Honky-Tonk Stream. Honky-Tonk Stream by Len Hall. Len is just trying to bring it back to one of our top stories. There you go. It's not just a honk tonk. It's a honky-tonk. That's right. How does this relate to our top story? The YouTube music guy. Oh, right. I see. Not the honky-tonk part, but the YouTube part. No, it's not about a honky-tonk. We have a honky-tonk story? Yes. We do now. Boom. Boom goes the dynamite. That was my dated reference for the day. Pass it to the man. These are the Fridays where it's like, when you have a holiday in the middle of the week, even though it's like great, we can all sleep in, whatever, it messes me up so badly. I'm like, what day is it? Wednesdays are the worst Friday. Because I already had a Friday and that was Tuesday. No, tomorrow we'll be able to recalibrate to Saturday and everything will be okay. Exactly. All day I'm like, where am I? What am I doing? What's going on? Is this real life? It's a Friday. I have a show today. Yeah, okay. I have a show. Well, we're doing our second day of testing, streaming into the DTNS Discord. And it sounds like it's working better today. So, we'll keep doing it. I have to put a... I'm using the wine out of my mixer that I usually use for my in-room monitor. So, I'll have to put a splitter on that so I can use it. That's really cool. Yeah, we have people in there talking about what we were talking about in the Good Day Internet pre-show. And it's like, an audio feed, right? A light audio. That's so cool. Yeah, all I'm doing is I'm taking audio out of the board and then sending it into a Windows PC which is running Discord. Oh. So, it's in... Oh, I see. So, you're using the Discord audio channel then? Yeah. Gotcha. That is so cool. All right, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready? Ready. I am ready. Let's slay this. Go! Maybe this time I'll start the show with the volume up. I don't know. All right, here we go. Three, two... We'd like to help power this show. That's a few miles away. Well, aren't you a lucky fellow? I am. 114. That's too many. You should cut off a few of those syndrome over here. We could take it. If I could, I would. Well, folks, today we are going to talk about the end of the API sort of kind of third-party plugins and controversies. I feel like it might be a watershed moment happening for the Internet, but I've said four a lot, and one of these days I'll be right, like a broken clock. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Samsung says it expects Q2 operating profit of 8 trillion won with a 0.7 decline in sales and 11% increase in profit. This is significant because it would end Samsung's streak of four straight quarters of record profits. The Galaxy S9 is estimated to be the lowest selling flagship phone for Samsung since the Galaxy S3. Sales of OLED panels later in the year could give Samsung a boost, though one of its main customers, that's Apple, is expected to shift some OLED orders to LG. The Bank of England and the Financial Conduct Authority have given banks three months to detail how they would respond if their systems failed after customers were locked out of online banking for more than a month following system upgrade failure in April. The Bank of England and FCA say senior management at banks will be held accountable for future disruption to services and that two days is an acceptable limit for disruption to service. Netflix notified users it's going to remove user reviews from its service. Netflix says that's because most of you forgot there were user reviews on the surface and the number of written reviews and the page views to them has been declining. CNET reports Netflix will stop accepting new reviews on July 30th and then remove them all together from the site sometime in mid-August. All right, let's talk a little more about the Dutch, Shannon. Yes, the Dutch YouTube music creator named Paul Davids says YouTube flagged one of his videos for copyright infringement but the copyright he had apparently infringed upon was his own. David claims, quote, someone took my track, added vocals and guitar to make their own track and uploaded it to YouTube but I got the copyright infringement notice. YouTube's content ID system is an automatic process which decides whether a video contains copyright infringement and flags content. Certain companies can claim videos if they find copyrighted material in them regardless of whether YouTube's content ID detected it. This speaks close to home because I have had content ID takedowns for music that I have purchased not necessarily things that I created myself but things that I had purchased so I know content ID is not necessarily a perfect platform. Well, and this story's funny because as David tells it he said, you know, I play a lot of guitar riffs of popular songs and that's part of my deal and some of that stuff would be copyright infringing potentially. But the video in question was actually taken by somebody else. He got the copyright takedown notice. He gets a hold of the other guy and says that's my song and the other guy was like is it okay if I just sort of keep it up? Is that cool? And he's like, well, yeah, that's not really the issue. The issue is that YouTube is telling me that I'm in the wrong here but that's my song. Yeah, this is why Article 13 of the EU copyright directive needed to be sent back for debate because these systems are not good. They're not good enough to become the law that you need to use them. I've been on the same end of where I've used public domain music that someone else had included into their content ID profiled video and then it took me down but I was not in the wrong. I've had it where someone sent a video to a show, posted it on YouTube so that we could get it. We put it in our show and then our show's content ID took down the original video that he created. It's just ridiculous. It's a fair effort, I guess, but it's had these problems for a long time and nobody speaks up for the fair use side of it. Friday, Sonos filed for an initial public offering of stock on the Nasdaq under the symbol, Sono. The filing notes that Sonos has sold 19 million products to 6.9 million households worldwide, almost three products per customer. That's interesting. Well, because that's the whole point of Sonos, right? Revenue was up 10% in 2017 for a net loss of $14.2 million. In the section on known risks, Sonos notes that Amazon can terminate the license for use of Amazon voice services with limited notice. Sonos is valued between $2.5 and $3 billion. So, yeah, I mean, Amazon obviously wrote its contracts to be favorable to them and companies like Sonos have agreed to them. I don't know that this means that Amazon's going to suddenly just pull all the voice service APIs all of a sudden and there's always that potential when you're relying on someone else's service for that to happen. It's the with limited notice that makes it at all unusual but I'm sure their license deals with Google Home when they finally agree to them will have some sort of situation where Google can pull access. That's the nature of APIs. Well, and that's a good point that you mentioned about Google because I have a couple of Sonos ones. I've been a Sonos customer for years. I'm in the ecosystem. I have like the speakers are riddled around my house and the fact that it works with Amazon's assistant is great if that went away and there was no Google Home alternative, like what does that speaker do for me? That's exactly why I bought the speaker. So the fact that the promise of oh yeah, we've got Amazon's on board, Google's up next Siri will get there eventually. That all sounded great at the time but we haven't actually seen anything except Amazon and if that goes away, I just have a nice speaker. And to be honest with the older versions of Sonos speakers, using them with Amazon's API is not that great. So for somebody like me who owns a lot of their older systems who just updated in the software for that API, it would not make a difference if they pulled out with their Amazon agreement. For me, it's more just the capabilities of the speakers themselves and how gorgeous and amazing they sound and the ability to connect them all through the house. That's what matters the most to me but the connection I can understand why it would be problematic for a lot of people if they ended up breaking up that agreement. And also probably why Sonos is pursuing multiple agreements, saying we'll put Cortana, we'll put Siri in, whoever wants to be on, we want to do it, that way they've got multiple voice control systems without having to develop their own. MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory has developed an AI called Pixel Player that can recognize the instrument in a video by visual recognition but then isolate the sound that instrument produces. So for instance you could use this to select say clarinet in a video and then Pixel Player would elevate the clarinet's volume while lowering the volume of any other instruments in the song. Pixel Player right now can identify around 20 instruments though it has some trouble telling similar instruments apart, maybe a little confusion amongst woodwinds for instance. It could be helpful for audio editing or detecting environmental sounds like if it could pick out animals like if it can pick out instruments conceivably it could pick out other things or vehicles or appliances or anywhere where you need a sensor that's able to notice like what is making that sound or what is going by. When I was reading this I also thought it would be really interesting from an educational perspective because if a musician is trying to teach a class for example about how specific instruments change the art and change the emotional appeal of a song they could easily use this to detect those different instruments and be able to help a class understand why those different instruments are included in a band as opposed to just being one of the many. I don't know I think it's a really cool aspect for the educational standpoint. Shout out to the Concord Band. Hope you're listening. Over the weekend ZDNets Zach Whitaker reported that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security served Twitter with a subpoena for the account information of a New Zealand security researcher who goes by the name Flash Gordon. U.S. Customs Enforcement is involved as well. The AFF helped the researcher challenge the subpoena and now reports the challenge failed. Flash Gordon discovered and reported data breaches among the many he exposed was a law enforcement database that was not password protected exposing local and state police officers and federal agents who underwent active shooter training and that happened quite recently. Customs would be involved because the definition of export involves information. Yeah I guess the database was from April 2017 but the posting was recent. Right exactly. And so of course when law enforcement personally identifiable information gets put out on the Internet they are going to want to talk to the person who found it and find out why. Now one thing to know is Flash Gordon did not just disperse this on the Internet he notified I think it was Texas Tech where the server was and he told journalists about it to make it well known but they're still going after him for some reason. Yeah I don't know if he did tell Texas Tech so that would be considered responsible disclosure. I'm not sure how much time he gave until he told journalists about it as well after the breach was found but this could be a deterrent towards a lot of security professionals that do do responsible disclosure as a part of their profession because if they find that a lot of federal agents are going after them for finding these kind of things out of embarrassment maybe then it could cause us from finding these breaches in the future. Yeah and recently the Department of Justice at the United States has been going after people for espionage charges that ended up being flimsy and fell apart so a lot of people are saying here's another example this isn't exactly the same thing there's not an espionage charge there's a customs charge which has to do with the fact that information was transferred outside the US borders. Now for customs export violation to happen someone has to export it it's a weird way to apply it to say someone obtained it themselves the person in New Zealand flash Gordon didn't export it he only imported it but who exported it like there isn't a person so it's where export import law starts to fall apart in relation to information services and most people feel like this is meant to scare him into silence I think it's because A it involves law enforcement officials and B he went to journalists if he had only disclosed privately they wouldn't be going after him but because he went to journalists either they didn't like that it got got their you know backup and so they want to teach him a lesson or they want to know what journalists he told because they want to know how far this information spread which would be reasonable probably both I guess we'll find out well if robots scared you you'll love the story scientists at MIT have developed a robot called cheetah 3 they can run and jump and climb stairs with obstacles all without using visual sensors an algorithm helps the robot decide what to do when encounters an obstacle and then another algorithm determines how much force to use in each action we have cat robots this thing is amazing I thoroughly enjoyed when they were hitting it with a stick and every single time I see a crew of students for example doing this to a robot I think this is why robot overlords are going to end up taking over the planet because they're going to be enraged that we kept on poking them with sticks that's the quote of the day right there I thoroughly enjoyed when they were hitting it with sticks what they're trying to show and same was true with big dog from Boston Dynamics is it can retain its equilibrium it can recover from these sorts of forces but it does look horrible when they do it and it's blind if that didn't come through to you there are no vision sensors it's able to go upstairs jump get over obstacles merely by feeling its way around so to speak which is a huge advance in the artificial intelligence part of this that it can learn to do that it's pretty amazing to watch I'm amazed at how much these students are learning from being able to develop these platforms it's incredible and this one's less scary than the Boston Dynamics robots always seem to be really large and frightening you're referring to the last one that could open the door and help his friend through right where everyone was like okay now we've really gotten to a weird spot here but that's the idea the idea is that it's not just like a robot that can go forward and backward and maybe jump and is confusing or confused rather this is just another example of how it can mimic not just humans but animals and I think that's a really cool distinction robots don't have to be humans that are like humans but they're just robots they can be anything as long as we understand how to program them effectively folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about 5 minutes be sure to subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com alright earlier this week the Wall Street Journal reported that some third party developers have access to users gmail messages it's Cambridge Analytica all over again or is it CRM apps that want to manage your contacts often people give access to their email and sometimes those people use gmail trip planners often times want to be able to look at your email to find your itineraries and automatically import them third party email clients for goodness sake thunderbird gets access to your gmail and scans it because it's an email client you need it to if you want to use it so some of this is a little bit out of out of hand although there were some cases where they were use scanning the emails in order to train them on machine learning there were some cases where there were hand sorting through emails in order to provide services and Suzanne Frey the director of the company's security trust and privacy division for Google Cloud said look before a published non-Google app can access your gmail messages it goes through a multi-step review process that includes automated and manual review of the developer assessment of the app's privacy policy and homepage to ensure it's a legitimate app and in app testing to ensure the app works as it says it does they don't just open the door to anybody also when you give these third party apps access to gmail you see what permissions you're giving to them before you say okay and security check up from Google lets you go in and see what devices have logged into your account and which apps have access to gmail with what permissions if you want to double check so I'll be honest this feels like something that a few years ago would be like well yeah if you want to use the CRM you got to give it access to your gmail that's just the way it works you want to use an email client it's got to get your email because it's an email client I think this is an example of a sea change in the way we deal with the internet when the internet was a subculture we the members of that subculture accepted that it was our responsibility to decide what apps to install and what permissions to give them and it was only bad if an app did something that you didn't know it was going to do and that's not what's going on here as we move into the mainstream though new users of the internet expect the platform to take responsibility for what they offer and for the risks platforms are expected to put up safety groups basically to stop users from accidentally endangering their data Russell Brandom at the Verge was writing about this and said leaving the door open for third party developers has done real damage to Facebook and now possibly to gmail as well as big tech companies take on more responsibility for their products they'll have to either clean up those ecosystems or shut them down this is a big difference in the way software is delivered by these types of companies I can actually give you a perfect example that goes quite along with your perspective of how the culture is changing right now last year over a year ago unrolled.me is this third party API that would go through your gmail and read kind of scan through and find anything that you could unsubscribe from and it would update you and say like hey do you want to unsubscribe from all these like magazine subscriptions or sale subscriptions whatever you have and you just check through it click okay and it unrolls you from those subscriptions automatically which makes subscribing things really really nice easy but unfortunately unrolled.me was selling anonymized user data from emails that they were reading about receipts from Lyft and Uber they were selling that data to Uber so that Uber could compete with Lyft a lot better now of course Lyft also has their own kind of data aggregation that they do as well but this one was really really big because it was unrolled.me and they were able to read your email as it was but at the time last year we all saw backlash towards unrolled.me we did not see that backlash towards gmail we also saw a lot of backlash towards the users and a lot of people were like oh well the users should have known you shouldn't be using that third party platform there was no point in time that we saw people get angry at gmail for allowing this third party API to use your emails to be able to sell this data to Uber so it was it's a very big difference from what we're currently seeing nowadays and it's kind of surprising Sarah you look a little skeptical no no I'm I just actually okay so this is a perfect example so I used Tweetbot which is the third party Twitter client I've used it for years I like it better it has a Mac app it has an iOS app I pay for everything all good there was a new version and I think it's like Tweetbot 3 for Mac that rolled out recently and it's not a free update because they're like hey we're building it from the ground up and you know there's all these great reasons that it's wonderful and you know all the good stuff and I like the company so I always support it but in the last update as I was saying like yes I will pay ten dollars for this app it was like just say it now the Twitter API is going away in September I think we're okay but we're not really sure I'm paraphrasing it a little bit but it was one of those things where it's like okay well this is a company that I like to support I've been supporting it for years but they're at the mercy of what Twitter's doing and it doesn't matter how good that product is and I don't believe they're doing anything nefarious it's just a third party product no it's a great example though because it used to be like Twitter's pulling back their API how selfish of them to not want to foster these products that they allowed to flourish in their ecosystem and hoard all the data for themselves that used to be that now it's oh well that's understandable because in this day and age Twitter doesn't want too many third parties accessing that data because it could get in trouble like Facebook did like it's a total change yeah and it's sort of like okay for a company like you know the tap bots which makes Tweetbot and some other products it's like okay I don't think anybody is saying well we think that they're going to do something really weird with this data it's more of like well you're not our company you're a third party company and we don't really care about you but we don't want to alienate people too much so you know what how do you cautiously step into that new world it's just a general policy it's not that we distrust you it's that it's just risky for us to have anything out there these days so yeah hey we know a lot of folks in our audience responsibly use third party and you're from the olden days where you are part of the internet subculture I was talking about earlier so Shannon you've got some tips for how to deal with these third party apps and plugins yeah I do I have a couple of different tips just based on what I've seen as far as you know different vulnerabilities that have been announced in different news articles that have come out about privacy and security issues that we've seen with third party plugins extensions apis and apps so of course we are supposed to read what those different plugins have permissions to be able to do and to be able to access and unfortunately a lot of times it's somewhat vague like for example there was one my sister wanted me to vote for a photo of her daughter my niece on facebook on some kind of facebook app and it said this app will have access to your profile and it didn't say anything else it was incredibly vague so of course I was just like I don't know what that means but I decided to turn it off so it didn't have access to that profile information so step one of course is you know take your time when you're approving those applications read all the info on the page and if there is some kind of link that says permission or access click on it and edit them because lots of times you are able to edit them especially on facebook and gmail and make sure to save out that information too and then step two if you are already signed up and you're panicking because you've already signed up and you never looked at the permissions that were allowed for that application you can totally go back into your settings all of the popular social networks do have the option to go into your settings and revoke access to those third party applications and it's usually called something like permissions it could be access plugins or applications any of those depending so you just go in there revoke the access and then save out your data one of the important things to mention too with these third party applications is even if you change your password on gmail or you change your password on facebook it does not revoke access to those third party extensions so those can still use the data from your gmail from your facebook even though you change the password so that means if somebody got access to your gmail or your facebook through that third party plugin or application they will still have access even if you change your main account password you have to go in and revoke the access through your settings and of course if you have an account on that third party platform as well for example I have a account on trippett and trippett has access to my gmail then I would have to go in a trippett as well and change that password and change those security settings too unfortunately it can get rather confusing but if you're scrupulous like once a year or something like that you can definitely keep track of what third party APIs are going on on your accounts the idea is that if you've given access to that API first of all you don't want it to have your password so it shouldn't changing your password shouldn't do anything to it because it shouldn't have your password and they assume that you gave them access for a reason and they're trustworthy which is why it doesn't change when you change your password so be very careful when you give access to third parties to your stuff well also be careful when you submit stories to our subreddit because we'll judge you now I'm just kidding we actually want as many as you want to give us because it gives us a sense of what you want to know more about submit stories and vote on other stories already submitted at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com also we're on facebook at facebook.com slash groups slash dailytechnewshow I mean what you mean Sarah is we judge you as worthy of our praise for participating correct yeah the more the more you participate the better you are all right let's check the mailbag we've got some judicious emails as well yeah we really did Charles sent a book recommendation anybody wants to read a book good good stuff Charles has one says I've been reading a book by one of the great historical writers Simon Winchester entitled perfectionists it's a book that talks about how industry has grown to those have been able to apply precision to products and make them better and more accessible or cheaper for all to be able to afford the book touches briefly on the Luddites but really looks at how industry has grown and even others due to applying precision think Ford versus Rolls Royce and the development of modular manufacturing robotics is the next evolution in this development of technology precision and perfection if you love history read Winchester he takes events in history and brings them forward in incredible and interesting way yeah so the the book is entitled perfectionists by Simon Winchester I feel like we we're all perfectionist we are we are that's why we have so much self-loathing right I'm just talking about me Rami said recent story uber in talks with to merge with Kareem in the Middle East which is nice if it works as in the rest of the world I live in Palestine and a few months ago Kareem tried launching the service in Ramallah a major Palestinian city but it was received badly by the taxi driver association who immediately protested to the transportation ministry and the local police started suspending the driver's licenses of drivers using the Kareem service the service was halted a few days later couple of months later the service was back in a different form the only drivers who could use the Kareem service themselves instead of calling a private driver with a private car now with Kareem you call an official taxi the taxi competition is so high that such services are not welcome maybe a scooter service is easier to enter and most probably easier to leave as on day one all the scooters will disappear from the city says Rami but yeah I mean this is an old story we've seen uber come into markets and fight the taxis but usually uber outlasts them or wears them down very interesting that in Ramallah the taxi drivers seem to have won the day at least against Kareem I think that's pronounced Ramallah okay it reminds me a lot of Vegas Vegas and the taxi Ramallah and Vegas yeah like the arguments between uber and lift and the taxi drivers and how they've basically like shunned ubers and lifts to a point where you have to be picked up completely opposite side of a mile long casino instead of the normal place where the taxis do yeah but in Ramallah if I'm saying it properly is it there's no Kareem is like nope we're just for taxi drivers now there's no other way to get kicked out completely yeah alright let's check in with Len Peralta who has been illustrating the show Len yeah you know I'm a big fan of mascots and I feel that these ban actor third party apps should have a mascot and that's what this one is it's the private sneaker who of course in this image Google and Facebook are vouching for the private sneaker and giving him access to your home this is a great idea if you're cosplaying you know San Diego Comic Con is coming up pretty soon you can go with a private private sneaker there you go oh I love it what everyone thinks is going on in mainstream world idiots are like I don't know the hamburger once into your house that's cool I also feel like and maybe it's just me but I feel like there's so much of like there's a certain you know an app that's in private bid it's like you know somebody who works at the company it's like can you vouch for that other person that might want access I hear that all the time I am constantly being asked to vouch for somebody and order for them to get access to something and it's tech related usually app stuff and most of the time I'm like yeah of course but what will happen to me if something bad happens it's that third party actor I feel we need to add the private sneaker to our host of crazy characters here the private sneaker was good fun watch out for the private sneaker folks be careful this is awesome you know who isn't going to run afoul of the private sneaker is Shannon Morris because she's the privacy expert who's with us pretty much every Friday Shannon it's been great to hang out with you again let folks know where they can keep up with everything you've been doing lately you too and thank you so much Sarah you're always so kind you can go over to techthingtekthing.com and that's where we just reviewed the Orbi Outdoor Satellite and if you are watching the video yes we sprayed that thing down with a water hose and it still works so it's definitely an outdoor satellite for the Orbi which was very cool and the other thing I wanted to mention was my Sailor Snubs YouTube channel youtube.com slash Sailor Snubs I recently did a Sailor Moon collection tour so you can see all of the different Sailor Moon items that I have and if you're even remotely interested in that anime I would love it if you subscribe it's a little hobby of mine but I'm having so so much fun with it so thank you everybody who's been watching it thank you to the 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careful about this but it is totally what the perception is it's like oh sure go on in Green's Gmail it's fine good stuff I think we should call this episode dressed up as a private sneaker for Halloween there's a stop infringing yourself that's good third party is not a charm uh-huh uh-huh these are good today be careful third party strangers YouTube's unfair use don't hit robots with sticks or do they'll just get better they'll just evolve until they are like did you guys hear that story about the lions who killed the poachers yes yes you know I I was gonna assuming that we all are anti-poaching I was like go on well poaching is against the king so of course I'm against it right of course as a monarchist I find it uncouth no in all seriousness yeah no it's awful I just for some reason when you say poaching today it just makes me think of medieval times not the thing that's good what they're saying is there are endangered species you're not allowed to kill them and so you're poaching but it makes me think like the king is declared there will be no hunting of the pheasants in this movie yeah I mean it sounds like there's some questions remaining about what happened but it was you know rhino poachers and the lions were like bye bye Felicia when my wife told me about the story when she said poaching the first thing I thought was like dinner eggs ooh I like that she's like no no it's a bad poaching why were the egg poachers I don't understand you don't like poached eggs so stop infringing yourself yeah that sounds good I'm in stop infringing yourself my sister and I used to say that to each other all the time stop infringing yourself yeah my sister would force me to infringe my own copyright and then in the backseat of the car on the way to Kentucky Lake you know all children feel the same way you do you guys do the car game where you punch each other in the arm when you see an out of state plate my sister did and I told her like stop that this game there was a so somebody tell me if this is like a Chicago thing but a former friend of mine no longer a friend well you know it was a version of the story where you'd punch the other person if you saw like a wooden car like a woody you know whatever and when you punch them you say beaver because the beaver it didn't make any sense because beaver z would we kind of knew this person as an adult and after a while I was like I don't want to play this game anymore I don't like it it's like don't punch me I don't care if you see a wooden car or not because because beaver z would it doesn't have to make don't read too much more into it beaver z would that car's made of wood beaver yeah it was just it was one of those things where I'm like I don't want to play this I don't like this when Eileen and I were first dating we used to keep a map in the car and we would shout out when we saw a license plate from out of state and then we'd put our initials in the state to see who would get the most states since there's so much traffic in California I started this thing on my own I would make a game out of it where I would try to learn the phonetic alphabet by reading license plates out loud and I got really good at it so I was able to look at one and be like like delta gamma that kind of yeah it really helped memorize all the letters because there's no form or faction as far as what letter you're going to see so you have to think of it real quick before they drive away you have to think of the whole thing before they drive away that was my rule I have found in LA more than anywhere else even though I've only really lived in northern California besides here that the vanity plates you know there are so many of them where I'm like okay I get what you're doing but then other ones where I'm like okay let's sound this out what's the joke you're making right now what are you trying to tell me right now about your vanity plate because there's so many more of them and it's like so clever to the point where I'm like I should be able to get the joke because why else would you pay for this I have a theory about that okay so vanity plates started around late 70s early 80s right okay I don't know how long after a plate is released as a vanity plate it can go before it gets reissued it may not ever get reissued so consider the number of people who've gotten vanity plates if you can't reissue it because you're like well that plate number actually belongs to this other person and we don't want confusion so we're going to keep it on ice for a while eventually all your ideas are like nope taken nope taken taken so you have to get super obscure if you want to come up with your vanity plate at all okay but then if you're that obscure why do it that I have no theory for right vanity like my my grandma and grandpa at one point it was like they had they shared a car I don't know it was like the family car and it was like her um initials and his initials okay like one two three one two three and it's like you look at that if you don't know these people it means nothing but I I understand that they're like you know that's just but you know what we're doing right but there are so many where I'm like you're being clever but I don't get it though maybe it wasn't meant for me but you have to pay for a vanity plate you know you want to understand the joke or whatever the clever thing is that you're doing well sometimes it's not like supposed to be that it might be cultural like certain that's true certain things like triple eight on a license plate can either be someone trying to do a Aussie affectation like a date or it could be a Chinese person or someone who is very into Chinese culture and believes that brings him good luck what you mean eight eight eight yeah but it's it's a homonym for good good luck really positive like four piece of trivia so for in Mandarin is the number four but it's also a homonym for death so like my parents bought a house my mom didn't want the first one it was like those model track homes she didn't want the first one because the house number started with a four ooh bad luck bad luck oh interesting it's the same in Japanese too the translation is um she I think and it translates to death so and that's why we're a little bit 444 Maple Street if it sounds like death death death death death you know what if you're a guar fan and you have a lot of their iconography on your front porch or lawn you know my kid might go with the whole thing hmm see this is the one thing so back back in the up until like the mid eighties or like early mid early eighties California still had only six digits for the license plate and I remember as a kid walking by an old brown pinto and this is about 89 uh that is a kid teenager um and the license plate said 666 H-E-L-L which is seven digits but yeah and I thought it was the weirdest thing I was wondering if that was actually a vanity plate or that was just a luck of the draw there's no way there's no way well my dad had a yellow Volkswagen a type a fastback type one fastback or type three fastback look like basically a stretched out beetle but his license plate was like four two three egg E-G-G but it wasn't that was that was coincidental well I don't know I mean it's well I mean he didn't he just said I got it with it was coincidental in the sense that that was not his vanity plate yes that was not it was not a vanity that was issued by the state oh for an egg to color car interesting well I do a lot of when I'm sitting in traffic happens in LA and I'm behind somebody with good bad or otherwise weird vanity plate take a little photo and then upload it to Instagram that's one of my hobbies some of them are better than others do you have a special account just for those photos no no they just go in with everybody else but but but strange you know sometimes I'm like I really want to know you I want to know the story behind this awful license plate that's on your car I just do a public record search I'm sure they won't mind I just feel like you know I should just follow them home and be like hi I'm Sarah you got a lot of likes on my Instagram and like everybody just wants to know a little bit more I want to get DTS man DTS man that's a good one that might be available my grandpa had a vanity plate which if you knew my grandpa you would be surprised at because he was one of those people who was very frugal he'd been an accountant he unplugged his VCR when he was done watching it because he didn't want to waste energy they never ran the air conditioner till it got above 100 and yet he spent money on a vanity plate and the vanity plate was CB1305 Carl Berndanner 1305 was the the address of his house no one would ever get that it was something for him I wonder if it was I want the vanity plate so I can remember my license plate number easier I've considered getting my ham radio license number on my license plate it's KM6 FPP but I think only ham radio people that understand what it is because the the letters that you use at the beginning are pretty common depending on what side of the United States that you live on so anybody else that's out here would be like oh KM6 FPP cool she must be a ham I mean that's kind of cool that's cool that works because nobody's going to look at it and think anything of it unless they get it yeah I don't know why my grandparents had their vanity plates it was sort of like it wasn't the kind of people that they were but they liked the idea of I don't know like look it's our initials it's cute yeah we love each other sign of our devotion is this license plate hey it's time to say goodbye to our video folks thanks for watching we appreciate you very much for good day internet stick around for more