 Chair weeks. We're ready to get started whenever you are Okay with that We will go ahead and start the July 13th 2023 meeting of the Centers of Planning Commission, and I'd like to call the meeting to order. Can we have roll call, please? Commissioner Carter here Commissioner Cisco your Commissioner Holton here Commissioner Peterson here Commissioner Sanders here vice chair Duggan here chair weeks here Let the record reflect that all commissioners are present. Thank you And with we'll go to item 2 approval of minutes. We have one set of minutes from June 8th. Are there any changes or corrections? Okay, seeing none none those will stand as approved So we'll go to item 3 our public or public comment Section we're now taking public comments on item 3, which is non-agenda matters This is a time when any person may address the Commission on matters not listed on this agenda But which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Commission And if you could like to go to one of the podiums up there you will be given Notification and a timer will be set for three minutes. Can I use overhead? Yes And if you could please state your name for the record my name is Cliff Wiggum I'm one of the property owners of the Roberts district and the organizer of the gate. I'm sorry Could you speak directly into the microphone so we can hear you my name's Cliff Wiggum? I'm one of the property owners and the organizer of the gateway coalition in the Roberts district Newly formed while at Roberts district How can I make the overhead work? Cliff it's sorry bear with me. I'm trying to get I'm trying to turn this on and it's not working Can the IT team please come out here? We'll get somebody out in just a second to help Okay The Roberts district was created as part of the downtown station area specific plan Previously it was transit village 25 to 40 units per acre and it was zoned that in 2006 I bought my property in 2006 and six months later. It was rezoned to something I couldn't use property for in 2016 I created the gateway coalition, which is a collection of 10 property owners on the 10 acres Private property in the rock. What is now the Roberts district? We secured a grant from the EPA in 2018 to do the environmentals. We completed the environmental assessments in November 20th 2020 and the properties were rezoned six weeks later in January 1st 2021 to the current unrealistic 6.0 floor area ratio No, I've spent the last two years talking to developers and everyone tells me that it will never be developed because it's positioning Not in eight years not in 25 years that it is on the south side of highway 12 That's a four-lane elevated solid earth freeway dividing Raywood Square and a Roberts district everyone says that The Roberts district belongs to be part of Roseland an Excerpt from your own staff report on Enhanced infrastructure financing district. I will read to you Roberts Road area south of highway 12 and west of highway 101 This area is better aligned with a potential future Roseland area EIFD since it is the east anchor of this vast full-road corridor The corridor is a central rosin axis which is in the past has been part of Roseland study areas publicly desired infrastructure upgrades in the Roberts Road area as part of the EIFD Formation process should be examined holistically within the rest of the corridor To me that's saying from your own staff that the Roberts district is part of Roseland You remove the from the infrastructure tax financing district So it no longer has a right for it being there but it is burdened with the This unrealistic 6.0 floor area ratio and wallies which is not very far It's on the side of highway 12 and same distance from 101 From very much square is a 2.0 We should be a 2.0 or back to the 25 to 40 years per acre. It looks like my time's up Thank you. Did you want to show us since we had the Delay on the overhead. Did you want to show us? Something on the overhead. I'd like to Okay, but we'll go ahead and do that. How do I make it work if they if we can figure out Tech to the rescue Not working Is it just one page It's actually I have three or four. I was going to show you too. I Didn't finish everything. I want to say so I intend to be on the coming back your next planning Suggestions from staff We can take a look and see if it's a map of the specific plan area I can pull that up Could we perhaps get copies made? The old-fashioned hard copies made of that for the Commission Okay, well or I'm gonna blame it on the heat. Okay Thank You mr. Woodland anybody else here for in-person public comments Anybody on zoom for public comments? If you're participating via zoom and wish to make a comment You can raise your hand by selecting the raise your hand icon at the bottom of your zoom screen if you're calling in Please press star nine Chair weeks. I'm seeing no hands raised and please be advised. We have about seven participants this evening Thank you. So with that I will go ahead and close the public comment portion And we'll move on to planning commissioners report So I wanted to read our statement of purpose as I do every meeting The planning Commission is charged with carrying out the California planning and zoning laws in the city of Santa Rosa duties include implementing of plans ordinances and policies relating to land use matters assisting in writing and implementing the general planned and Area plans holding public hearings and acting on proposed changes to the zoning code Zoning map general plan tentative subdivision maps and undertaking special planning studies as needed So with that we'll move on to four point two subdivision and waterways advisory committee reports. Are there any? Okay, Commissioner Carter Yeah on July 5th the subdivision Subcommittee met and approved three different parcel map waivers two for properties on Guernville Road One for an office condominium project and another for a split between two commercial facilities A third was approved on Hopper Road Accessed off of industrial Splitting into four parcels for light industrial development. Thank you And we'll move on to four point three commissioners report. I wanted to report that on Tuesday The council heard the appeal on the Terra de Rosas tentative map that we approved Earlier this year and the council upheld our decision hence denying the appeal Any other reports from commissioners? Okay seeing none We'll go on to Department for staff report Department staff report. Thank you. Yes Good afternoon chair weeks members of the Commission Jessica Jones So I do have a couple things for you one I wanted to let the Commission know that The draft public version of the draft general plan is going to be available for review We hope as early as next week perhaps as early as Monday We're still working on the fine details and we will get a message out to the Commission as soon as it is launched And that will start a kickoff to Public community outreach that we're going to be doing for the draft general plan to get comments on what has been prepared based on Outreach that we've done throughout this whole process and that Community engagement will happen through the the end of the summer And then just to keep you updated and I'll give you more information and more specific dates As they become available, but we will be doing a joint meeting of the Commission and Council To review both the draft general plan as well as the draft EIR And that we're anticipating to be in the fall of this year I don't want to give a specific date at this time. We're not ready to do that But as soon as we have that information we'll get it out to you see you're aware and then Chair weeks already mentioned that the Council Denied an appeal of the tiara de rosa's project that you guys heard And approved that time extension and the other the only other thing I wanted to mention was that Following up on the short-term rental ordinance at the Commission Considered a few months back the Council will be reviewing part two of a second reading of that ordinance at the July 25th Council meeting it is on consent and includes the proposed changes that staff brought before the Commission as well as some changes the changes that the Commission was asking for to Reduce the amount of outdoor burning and then also some changes that Council requested So that I said is going for a second reading on the 25th, and that's all I have Thank you So we'll move on to statement of abstentions. Are there any abstentions? Yes, Mr. Sanders. I'm going to recuse from item 9 1 last year I ran for city council and the applicant had Contributed to my campaign Though I don't believe there is a conflict Because the money was returned in late October as Councilman Soria would say as an overabundance of caution I want to make sure that there is no perception of a conflict. So I will recuse from 9.1 Thank you. So you'll be leaving the day as after this is correct after the first item. Thank you. Any other abstentions? Okay, so then we have no consent items today we'll move on to a report item Which is how Santa Rosa? Presented to us by Connor McKay Good afternoon. Good afternoon chair weeks and members of the Commission Really nice to see you all in person I'm here today on what has been called a report item But it's actually more resembling a study session About the house Santa Rosa project and I'll get right into that So the house Santa Rosa project is a grant funded initiative to accelerate the production of housing in the city of Santa Rosa And help Santa Rosa reach its compliance with regional housing needs assessment So like I said, this is a grant funded initiative and this grant is called the leap grant Which is a grant granted to us by the state housing and community development And the objective is of the grant is to help cities Construct housing and like I said reach compliance with the regional housing needs assessment So the first deliverable of the house Santa Rosa project is a development feasibility map and dashboard This essentially is a map that allows users to understand how parcels can be developed throughout the city primarily for housing So there's kind of twofold to kind of uses for this tool You could have a project concept in mind and find parcels throughout the city that can accommodate that project concept Or you can move around on a map and click a parcel and see how that specific parcel could be developed or you could search an address in the tool and so This is how the tool currently kind of looks it's very Kind of bare bones at the moment because we this is kind of just a kind of a concept that our programmer has developed for us so far But on the right side, you'll see List of criteria or other characteristics of a project that a developer or an interested user could enter into the tool And then you would click that search button at the top in blue And you would get a result of parcels that fit that criteria for development So just as an example I'm a developer who would like to build 25 units of housing with five units dedicated to very low-income households and 10 units dedicated to low-income households I'm looking for a property. That's currently vacant allows for a 35 foot structure is located in a specific plan area So I can hopefully take advantage of some sequestering mining measures and located in an area that does not require on-site parking So I've entered all of that into the tool I'm I kind of flipped it from left to right so the arrow would flow better But as you can see it also automatically calculates any potential density bonus units That would be granted to my project based on the number of affordable units and the Affordability breakdown And I've checked the boxes that I'm looking for as well And as you can see the blue outline of parcels on the tool are the only two parcels in the city that can accommodate that very specific criteria that I've entered and As the tool gets further developed to have a list of those parcels that would appear at the bottom as well So there would be a list of the address and APN number and things of that nature below the actual map So then you were to click on one of those results You could see the address the APN on the zoning district the max market rate units and then max height and other Development standards and also incentives for development such as that environmentally potential environmental streamlining This this language under the incentives is a first draft to say the least This is kind of what the developer the programmer came up with And like it says on the slide, this is going to be refined and expanded upon in consultation with our attorney's office and other groups that We've been working with and there's also What is currently called the warnings? We're probably refined that as well But this parcel is also flagged as potential tiger salamander habitat So that gives this user an early upfront warning that hey, you know if you want to develop housing here you'll likely need to prepare a biological assessment of some kind to Potentially to analyze any potential impacts in that area So this moving on to the second deliverable. This is a real-time development map and dashboard We've currently created a dashboard that shows Housing projects throughout the city and you can filter them based on specific project attributes And this would also show the phase of the application whether it's in review approved or under construction and ideally once the tool was more built out you could enter in filters such as Projects submitted pursuant to Senate bill 9 or other Senate bills or assembly bills or projects that received parking reductions through some means So this is what the tool looks like currently at the top. You'll see the list of projects and this currently is at All developments in in the city, but as you see in the bottom There's different tabs for different council districts So you could click each one of those districts and understand how that council district is developing And then you can zoom in on that map on the bottom left and click the blue dot to learn more about that housing project And what phase of the process it's in and then at the bottom right you could filter the projects Citywide or by district based on specific criteria Right now it hasn't been built out to get super granular with that detail. But like I said, we're hoping to develop more information related to streamlining leveraging state legislature related to housing so we could analyze the effectiveness of state legislature But also local policies that we may adopt or have adopted to incentivize various types of housing development And just to kind of give more detail So an example of an additional filter would be like how many housing projects above 35 feet are You know in the in the pipeline in this council district as oftentimes we hear from the community and members of Council and other commissions that they're hearing a lot about people who are concerned about the intensity of development in their neighborhood And we're hoping to be more transparent about where development is happening and what type of development is happening as well so Overall the objectives of this project are to help community members and developers understand how parcels throughout the city can be developed I kind of emphasize the developer use case for that first feasibility Deliverable, but I'm also hoping that this tool can provide Additional engagement for members of the community who maybe don't understand how their neighborhood could be developed because oftentimes when we're managing Housing development as planners will get notes and phone calls and emails from neighbors who have They thought that that empty parcel across the street from them was owned open space because that's what their Grandparents told them and that's what their parents told them so When they get a postcard in the mail that it's being proposed for a subdivision or multi-family housing project They become very alarmed So we're hoping that that first feasibility tool can really serve as a bridge between the reality of the zoning restrictions of Properties in their neighborhood and people who wouldn't typically be engaged in that type of process and and knowledge And then so that second tool would provide greater transparency regarding the housing projects that are proposed and approved and under construction throughout the city And then that second tool would also create a lot of efficiency related to annual housing reporting Right now it's a very manual process, but we're hoping with this tool We could kind of just click a button and we would generate all the information that is required of us to be reported to the state for our housing production progress And like I said that that second tool would also allow us to Analyze our own policies and policies provided by the state that are supposed to incentivize housing and hopefully provide better informed decision makers and policy makers of what policies work to produce housing and Maybe some areas for improvement I've had a super great time working with a very diverse group of individuals who are very technical much more technical than I am and Collaborating with the planning division other internal departments to understand what are the questions that they're being asked of and How can we ask how can we answer those questions before they're asked? And I'm hoping that you'll join me in this effort as well by providing some feedback on this project So the timeline for this project is we were awarded the grant in January of 2022 And it took us a little bit to really get going on this project, but about a year ago. We went full steam ahead At the end of last year we distributed surveys about kind of the concept of the project and we received Around a 500 responses from the community and from developers about the various tools And that the results of those surveys largely Kind of confirmed our trajectory and we kind of were able to see yes Parking is a very hot topic for housing building height is very hot topic so that was it was nice to kind of receive that confirmation in addition to getting some new ideas from the community both Residents and the developer community So the current timeline for this project is the grant must be expended by September of 2023 But we have heard that the state is extending the deadline for this project to September of 2024 We have not received an official announcement in writing yet But we have every reason to believe that it will be extended so We're excited at the opportunity to really refine the tools and get a lot more feedback and Provide beta versions and demos for the community and for developers So like I said the next steps are to kind of refine these tools That I've shown you with kind of the details that I've described but also hoping to Gather feedback from you all and synthesized previous feedback from the we received from the design review board and the cultural heritage board Just to summarize the main points of their feedback. It is really emphasized on user friendliness which is something that we're definitely trying to keep in mind because oftentimes We create a tool and it makes sense to us because this is the type of work that we do on a daily basis But we're really trying to make sure that you know somebody who doesn't know anything about zoning and potentially is not a computer savvy person can as Dwayne do it put it put mouse to house so Yeah, so the Requested action is to ask questions about anything that we've heard today And then provide input on some of those Details that would be provided in the tool both the development tool and the real-time housing development map and dashboard and There's my contact Thank you very much. Mr. McKay. I think what I'll do is see if Commission has any comments And then we'll open the public comment portion and then bring it back for final suggestions Commendations comments, whatever So we'll start right now with questions about the process commissioner Cisco I'm curious what the outreach to the development community Look like and and how much participation you got there since I would assume they would be important users of this tool Yeah, so we used our developer round table contact list which was a list for a series of meetings that was conducted to kind of just discuss the Experience of being a developer in the city of Santa Rosa, so we had that contact list that we provided direct email outreach to And then I kind of asked the planners if there I provided that list of planners and said hey Is there anybody else that you think we should contact? and then we also provided the Link to the survey at the front counter so more of like the maybe the contractors or property owners that are Pulling permits at the front counter. They could they could scan there a QR code to get to the survey That that's kind of the extent of it They were kind of a difficult crowd to reach and get responses from because they're Pretty busy busy. Yeah, I get it and then How reliable is this going to be and I mean to me it looks like for a developer It's a first look. Let's go talk about this and they may discover That it isn't a feasible Set of circumstances even though the map might suggest that it is like how do you handle that? Yeah, so In terms of reliability, we're really focusing on it being something that a planner Can maintain going forward so as zoning standards change, there would be like a front-end Interface that I could say okay r16 front setback is now this for example and then in terms of Like the map kind of indicating something and then there being more investigation and revealing that okay It's not it's not feasible the tool is kind of was intended to be To answer a lot of the questions that we receive in pre-application meetings, which are generally relatively high level and kind of to do So like property sourcing for developers, so if they're saying like okay, this is kind of what the market is asking for right now these large high density multifamily projects or maybe single-family subdivisions what kind of parcels in the city are Suitable for that type of development that the market is asking for So there's still this isn't supposed to replace like the meticulous review process But really kind of be like a first step like you mentioned any other Vice-chair ducking I This looks like a great tool that's Be fun and exciting to use I think but on the real-time development Part of it, which I think will might be more of use to the public Are you gonna have like sort of general dates for phase completion? So somebody like oh, there's something big going on in my neighborhood. I don't know exactly what it is What's the timeline that they can? Use this tool to find that out is one question and then the other comment I have is It's the intention to inventory all the empty parcels in the city They're appropriate for housing and have them on here or how are you gonna do that just as? Things become known or are you gonna do a general inventory up front to put them on here? Yeah, so good question. So the first question about phasing I think we're kind of limited to where a project is in the permitting process There's been situations where I've asked Developers who have an approved planning application when do you think you'll break ground and they always say as soon as possible? But obviously funding and supply chain and labor and there's a lot of variables involved with that So I would be hesitant to provide like future phasing if that makes sense But I think what we're kind of focusing on is What date was the planning application approved? What date was we're building permits approved? To kind of keep it a lot more reliable in that sense and Then I'm sorry. What was your second question? About the Inventory of oh, right, right empty lots that might be appropriate for housing. Yeah, so I Believe I'm not exactly sure the source of our like vacant parcels Data, but I'm thinking that it would be like a yearly kind of update that we would then pull into the tool And I believe it would not be Incredibly manual, but I might have to get back to you on how We determined that a parcel is vacant Thank you start with No, go ahead. We'll supposed we'll finish with this side then go this side my my question is pretty quick I Really think it's a great tool. I just wanted to first off state that I think this is going to be really beneficial to a lot of different parties the only question I have is The report filters how customizable are the report filters and is there an ability to? Have some periodical periodic feature updates or any kind of firmware updates that will provide more resources Is that the intention to have this kind of grow with the The need or is this going to be kind of a standalone? This is 1.0 and then we're looking at developing a different Yeah, that's a great question so when we talk about data and filters the problem is well not a problem the the I Guess a hurdle is that you have to create the data for it to exist So for example Up until recently we haven't been collecting data that has been identified as very important to the community such as number of parking spaces If a project received any type of reduction So if they had we were if we fielded those questions we would have to go and say okay when was the project approved What is the approved plan set and look at a large PDF to see number of parking spaces and then provide that information? But what we've done is we've reformatted our internal permitting software for that to be a field that we could then report on a Lot more in an automated fashion So and then in terms of expanding the filters in the future. I think if we hear Based on feedback of users of the tool that there's certain pieces of information that they're looking for we would look at that and say okay How can we? either fit that in to how we're already kind of managing our Data and collecting our data, or do we need to create another field in the actual permit to say? Okay, here's this new piece of data that has been identified as important to the community Let's start collecting that going forward. So I think the idea is that we are responsive to the community, but also hopefully Serving as like a solid foundation from a usability perspective And one last follow-up the UI definitely needs a little bit of work. Yeah for sure, but No, thank you very much appreciate that. Thank you Okay commissioner Peterson So you mentioned feedback from users and I'm wondering if Maybe beyond the scope of this, but if this tool will be useful for the city To identify, you know consistent roblox or problems that could be addressed through, you know zoning changes or new ordinances So for instance developers keep you know trying to do this, but the following Prevents them from doing that we can address that legislatively. Is that something that this tool is designed for? It's not currently designed for it, but that's a great piece of feedback and I think having like a Feedback kind of suggestion box built into the tool would be a fantastic idea both about the usability the user interface of the tool but also I Want to do this project, but there's nowhere in the city that I can do it So then we can take that information and say look this is what the developer community is trying to do in the city But here are the roadblocks that they're encountering and how can we kind of remove those to help facilitate housing production? I think that's a great idea Thank you Commissioner Sanders. Thank you You said that the well back up the leap grant What does that pay for? Is it just the tool itself? And I guess that Dovetails into my next question is where are we are you in the expending of that money? How much is left and what's it to be spent on? These are all very good questions so the objective of The grant as I understand it is to facilitate the production of housing. So I think if we can Obviously, there's a scope that we included on our grant application So if we're looking at going outside of that scope with new inventive and creative ways that we've realized Hey, we can facilitate the production of housing in this new way that we didn't include in our grant application I think what we would do is we would re-scope and they've been really nice to work with HCD the folks that granted us the money And then in terms of remaining funds so so far we spent about a hundred thousand dollars and that means we have four hundred left But we're looking at Things that we've accomplished already that we can attribute to the grant and hopefully some new Things that we are Currently brainstorming like today. We were thinking about that. So I don't know if Jess or Amy have anything else to add to that But good evening. Thanks for the question. I'm Amy Nicholson a supervising planner for current development and as Connor mentioned we are exploring a number of different ways to Accelerate the production of housing we want to spend every dollar because it's free money from the state and now that we have An extra year to spend it. We we really see the ability to refine The tools that Connor has presented to you but also to accomplish a lot of other Work that we've set out in our housing element and other housing related items Thanks, and I guess Really applaud the user friendly Emphasis I still struggle with my VCR. Okay, so I think that the user friendliness on the front end and the back end Right, we want people to be able to use the tool and get the information they need And we need on the back end people to be able to get the information into the tool, right? Who does the IT? Who who win once the tool is up and running we've spent that last dollar we're good to go now. It's ours Then what? Yeah, so you see ours been letting me down by the way lately, so I'm sorry my VCR has been letting me down lately This is why I'm very I can take a look at that for you if you want Yeah, so part of what I'm thinking in developing the tool is like I said We're we want to create a system that doesn't require a planner to ask a developer to make changes to zoning information that the developer has They're not familiar with zoning and land use and things of that nature so I think my vision of the completed project is a system that a planner can maintain and it would take Not a lot of legwork to actually do that to the point where it can be folded into an existing job description And just part of like a Monthly or something somebody's duties in that in that way and so I guess that our IT department will be versed Yes in the tool and you know when When it's playing you know daffy duck cartoons for no good reason There's someone who will come in and be knowledgeable about how to get it back online. Yes, okay Thank you Thank you, and I'll echo by fellow commissioners sentiments that it sounds like a useful tool and we look forward to seeing it up and running I'm wondering if you've looked at the situation where and sometimes a Developer will do his due diligence and come up with a different idea for a piece of property than what the city has Have you built in any? Mechanisms for that kind of feedback. I mean I'm struck by what we heard in the in the public comments today Sometimes we say a property is good for a certain thing and and the owners and developers come up with Different ideas. Do we have any mechanisms? We're considering for that eventuality. I Believe so I think in this situation in that situation it would be I Guess in the scenario I'm imagining Is that somebody has this idea for a project and then they enter that project in and they're like What the heck I can't do that anywhere or they have their own property that they own and they say okay I want to do this many housing units and then it kicks them out and says This is what you can do not what you're wanting and then at that point they have Kind of a disconnect that they're aware of that they can then Address city staff and say hey, this is what I'm trying to do you've changed my my zoning rules What happened does does that kind of answer your question? Well, I think it does but it suggests that well We'd have to deal with those on a case-by-case basis probably so yeah Commissioner Carter just brought something to my thought process Is there I noticed that there was a warning and Tiger Salamander are there any warnings about pending legislation that might affect Did we just do that already? Is it the VCR, I'm sorry Did we already ask that question? No Pending legislation so this would be a situation where They're coming out with a new law that says This is going to affect in the field like if adopted this legislation would affect this property in this way correct I Think that that is not necessarily something that we've considered due to the ever-changing Environment that is the state legislature and how creative and Sudden those changes can be made But I guess as things are adopted then they would be added as a warning. I think is kind of what we're thinking Okay, thanks. Okay, Commissioner Hilton. So Just to First quite the actual question I have is just regarding Potential timeline for rollout. I know that you guys don't have a actual hard timeline But is there a tentative kind of timeline? Are we looking like in the development process? We're about six months away eight months away. I mean, what are we what are we looking at as far as time? Duration that we can actually get our hands on it and secondly For Commissioner Sanders you can upgrade to a DVD my friend and Lastly just as a former developer of a lot of software I can tell you that for that last request that would be incredibly difficult to I mean There's a lot of variables involved in programming something like that So that'd be really tough, but it would be very cool and I do really like the idea from a ex developer standpoint of having a potential for Feedback that is you know actually a really really good You know Suggestion kind of button at the bottom of the page because I really do think that we are going to run into a lot of these scenarios where we have a Piece of property that somebody owns that you know If there was a way that we could kind of figure out How to kind of be a little more proactive in informing the property owners and also informing the developers of any Potential changes that are coming down the pipeline But but yeah, again I just would love to know if there's a tenant because I'm really itching to get my hands on this to tell you the truth I want to help trial it for you do a little beta testing for you guys. So cool. Thank you. That's really exciting So it's difficult to even kind of approximate because we were until Very recently thinking that I needed to be done in this September But I'm hoping the next few Several months will have a pretty fleshed-out demo and that will give us a few months to solicit and incorporate feedback for a Final product by September and I say final because Like I said it the grant needs to be expended by September, but I'm hoping that we build something that can then be maintained With using a staff capacitor that we already have at the city and there wouldn't be an extra lift on top of normal duties Well the was that it everybody Well, the advantage of going last is that most of the questions have been asked, but I have just two quick ones. I think When is are you planning on taking this to the city council as a study session a report item We originally had intended to bring it to the council as a study session We prepared a memo To kind of give them a status update and that was a few months ago And we currently do not have a plan to present to council But I imagine will provide additional memos as major updates are made in the project And then my last question before I go to public comments is How will you get the word out to the community that this is available? You have your list from the preliminary meeting, so will you Try and get the paper to talk about it Go out and Community organizations and talk about it Yeah, so I think that we can use these the talents and skills related to engagement of our We're going through the general plan update process right now And I think we've learned a lot of lessons about outreach and connecting with people where they are In addition to we have Kevin King who I believe his official status is their title is Communications coordinator, thank you, so he has like a magical plethora of connections and ways to get The word out and I believe I imagine we would do the same thing at the front counter with that We did with the survey is we would say hey, here's this tool Let us know what you think about it So yeah Thank you, and I do want to thank you. It was a great report, so thank you And so with that we'll go ahead and open the public comment Portion on this. It's not a public hearing but public comment, and we will Do the same three minutes if anybody is interested if you're in the chamber I don't see anybody rising Is there comments on zoom? Yes, it looks like we have one hand raised on zoom Gregory fear on I'm going to give you permissions to speak And can you please state your name for the record? Yes, thank you chair weeks and members of the Commission I I want to second I guess what commissioner Holden was saying about Allowing feedback on the software itself in order to improve it I'm one of those super successful software authors of the 1980s who Would never have made nearly as much money and had as much fun if I didn't have a Huge set of users who were constantly telling me what I could do to make it better So Please take that as A bit of advice to be able to really make it successful But what I really called to talk about was now that now that I've Both developed housing in the city of Santa Rosa in the 1980s 90s and aughts but not recently but Helped a lot of community-based nonprofits who have provided social services whose clients needed housing With the latest burst of state and federal funds begin to look for properties that they could develop There are far more as you know Community-based nonprofit housing developers and a whole lot of community-based organizations Partnering with housing developers to be able to figure out a way of getting their share of housing into Santa Rosa They tend to be the extremely low and acutely low and you know very low And so you don't get a whole lot of traditional developers who come in the door and say hey I want to go that deep into subsidizing the housing participants But i'm usually there and several others are there trying to ask you to ask them to get that low To be able to really serve all of our community This tool sounds like it's going to be something that um, and maybe i'm wrong connor But if I asked it to tell me every development every piece of the city that I could put Reasonably some of those very low extremely low acutely low units in then I might actually find some And it would certainly hopefully allow me to if we had a good strong user connection Link up with folks who are looking at the same properties for the same purpose So I guess what I'm advocating for is both a strong user group to make it better Some real features that allow us to connect with each other We all ought not to be trying to find the parcels ourselves and or never ever knowing who else might be interested in the same kinds of projects If you can build a team of developers from who seek to you know Figure out a way of getting all of the citizens housed in santa rosa And have had usually a strong history of trying to blend the rich and poor together in the same project We're all going to benefit. Thanks a lot Thank you Any other hands raised in zoom Chair weeks, there are no other hands raised in zoom. Thank you. So with that, I'll close the public comment portion and bring it back to the commission I think Mr. McKay, we were giving you suggestions and comments at the same time, so I will bleed off though And say I think it would be a great idea if you could do a study Excuse me a study session at some time to the council You know whether it be next year when the grant's over So that when they are asked by people in the community and developers About the tool they have some knowledge And I know it would be very difficult, but I'm going to Ask it anyway And I it not necessarily in house santa rosa, but Is there any way at some point there could be a list of pending housing legislation that could be kept updated somehow either through the Or is there and I just don't know it Somewhere on the site Anyway, maybe that's just too wacky, but Anyway Other comments Mr. Holton, thank you First off, I'd like to Really acknowledge gregory furan for that great comment that he provided that was some really great feedback and it actually invoked a thought It would really really be awesome to have an option and again just another suggestion an option in the filters To be able to sort for a piece or a property or a parcel that has a high popularity So that if there were You know numerous developers that seem to be really interested in this individual piece of property They'd be more inclined to kind of go ahead and get their ducks in order to go ahead and start making efforts to Develop that piece of land because that is a hot piece of land And that's the thing those are the kind of things that are going to really really help builders Identify what the trends are because you know all builders. That's what we want to know is like What are the trends? What area is you know, it's like my aunt once told me said when you're buying a property You don't buy the house you buy the neighborhood So if builders could have some kind of crystal ball to look into to say oh This seems to be a really hotbed of activity right now. This is where I'd like to get in You know, that's one of the tools that I think is going to be most advantageous to a lot of the perspective developers That's all I wanted to say. Thanks I think my final comment. I just want to hit this it's sort of been referred to obliquely, but I think staff and the city of santa rosa in particular have Really tried to make santa rosa a pro housing City and I think they we've seen a lot of different efforts over the years to do Outreach think creatively and I really want to commend staff on on this part of it I think there's another great tool that looks like it will be very useful both for developers and the city Well said any other comments? Okay, okay This is really small and nitpicky On slide eight. It's the report slide where you had the warning tiger salamander It seems to me a more appropriate heading would be constraints and we could use that Expansively to talk about what things might limit Uses on the site Good point. Thank you Okay, is there anything else you'd like from us before we send you on your way? No, I've got a lot of good information But if there's anything else you all can think of either now or my email address was up You know where to find me. Thank you so much Thank you very much And we'll just take a quick break while commissioner sanders leaves the dais Thank you Okay, well um go ahead and get the meeting going again if everybody's ready Okay So this next item is nine point one. It's our one and only public hearing tonight for ridge Meadows exempt project. It's a planning project zero fur ridge drive prj 23-001 And planner two means will be providing The staff report today Chair weeks, did you do the exparte disclosure? I'm sorry. Thank you Thank you Okay, this is an exparte item. So we'll go ahead and start with uh commissioner carter I have visited the site and have nothing further to disclose Commissioner peterson. I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose commissioner holton I also have visited the site and I have nothing further to disclose And commissioner sisco I have been to the site and I looked up and read the The minutes of our december 9th 2004 meeting just for my own entertainment and trip down memory lane so Nothing further and there's no impact as to what's been reported already Thank you and commissioner or vice-chair dug in I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose Thank you. I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose And so with that Thank you. Thank you chair weeks and members of the planning commission I am chris day tummions the senior planner and i'm here to present a project known as fur ridge meadows It's a proposed hillside development and tentative map And the hillside development permit Would allow a tentative map and the development of 13 single family dwellings in an area that exceeds 10 slope And the tentative map would subdivide 6.03 acres into 13 residential lots Just to give you an idea of where the project is located. It's located in the northeast quadrant of the city off of Fountain Grove parkway This is right off a fur ridge road a fur ridge drive. Sorry And it's a vacant parcel and I just wanted to show you what Aftermath of tubs fire did to the area and how it looked after 20 the 2017 fire The parcel was also affected. Some of the trees were damaged There were no structures on the site at the time I believe And here is a more recent aerial showing The rebirth of the area and all the new development that Proceeded the tubs fire And this is the project location the red line indicates The extent of where The project will extend So there's no proposed grading or development past that red line area to the north where the slope starts to exceed 25 percent But just to give you an idea of how much of the lot is being developed This is a street view of the project site as you can see it's a vacant lot Meadow is an accurate description with A various trees And just to give you some project history this has an interest this site has an interesting project history So when the fur ridge north at fountain grove subdivision was approved in 87 A condition of its development was the dedication of an approximately seven acre Site for development of either a school or a low or moderate income housing project Pursuant to the the plan development A policy statement that was adopted by the council in 81 This is the pd it shows a lot f which is the subject parcel And lot e which turned into fur ridge park as we know it today On december 9 2004 the planning commission granted a conditional use permit hillside development permit and tentative map To allow the san rosa city school district to construct 36 lower moderate income airspace condominium units on the site for school district employees On october 14 2019 council adopted alternatives to the forage mou And extended the terms for additional three years to allow the school district to explore alternatives to construction of affordable housing on the site On august 26 2022 the city of san rosa and the school district Ratified at mou releasing the requirement of workforce housing And shortly after on september 30th 2022 a quick claim deed was recorded transferring the property from the district to the city and then um on In october of 2022 the Christopherson builders the applicant purchased the parcel On october 26 of 2022 the city held a virtual neighborhood meeting for the project On january 11th 2023 applications were filed for the project before you And a notice of application was mailed to property owners and surrounding occupants on february 11 2023 Here's the general plan and zoning map of this site as you can see this parcel in the surrounding area as part of that plan development And the general plan designation is a low residential This project qualifies for a class 32 exemption under a california government code section 15332 Which is an infill development? exemption And the exemption is included as an attachment to your packet with All the technical studies that accompany it This is a slope analysis that was provided by the applicant as you can see the green area indicates where it's 0 to 10 slope The yellow is 10 to 25 and the red is 25 and greater and Generally, we don't allow development on slopes greater than 25 percent Most of the development will occur all the development will occur south of that delineation of that red area And here's the tentative map showing where the 13 units would be situated on each of the lots There's sort of a dashed line that i've highlighted in dark red that indicates that Boundary where the slope starts to exceed 25 percent and there would be no development north of that border As you can see I believe 12 of the units 11 of the units accessed the newly created cul-de-sac and then two of the units directly front onto a forage drive Here is an architectural rendering of what the units will look like The applicant has provided plans for each housing type and Based on the hillside development findings A staff noted that the project site is not readily visible from off-site areas or major roadways The project is set in a bull-shaped area And it will be below the surrounding residential areas and not have an impact on views or be prominently visible along a ridge And the proposed dwellings appear to be in character with the surrounding neighborhood In addition the dwellings are designed to be sympathetic to the slope of each lot By building on the flattest portion and orienting orienting the roof ridges Perpendicular to the direction of the slope to minimize the visual trusiveness and and massing And here are some slides showing the different plan types that are proposed on each of the lots And here's the landscaping plan The applicant has stated they will try to preserve as many trees that are as they can as long as they are healthy Many of them were Burned or damaged by the fire so Depending on the health of the tree They may or may not be saved And here's the proposed fencing there is a sort of a see-through type fence Cedar and wire mesh fence proposed along The northern border Of the northern lots And then a solid type fencing for the remainder lots There are no Unresolved issues have her staff did receive a comment from a neighbor Earlier today that was emailed to you this afternoon and her concerns Included general noise So she stated that it's Already kind of a noisy area. She has a measuring device And it's already at 55 Decibels from her window So her concerns are with Construction noise and traffic noise from construction and then took general noise from the project She was also Requesting that a four-way stop at thomas lake harris drive be constructed And that if she called them berms to slow traffic, but I think she was talking about speed humps or speed bumps and She requested that those be put in and We have Someone from w trans daling available to comment further, but I did speak to our to rob sprinkle our in-person traffic Division and he stated that a four-way stop is not warranted based on the trip counts So there's 12 trips in the afternoon and nine in the morning and that speed bumps or humps are not planned Especially with their impact to emergency emergency response times in this critical fire Danger area There were additional concerns that were expressed during the Pre-application neighborhood meeting those included tree removal traffic emergency evacuation Water and development development of existing open space. I think many neighbors assume that this was Open space connected to the park to the north and didn't realize it was Developable or that the district already had an approved project on the site prior to this project And that this project is in a wui so it is in a wild land urban interface and the homes are subject to wild wildland urban Building standards so they have to be built to a certain standard and the types of materials that they use They would have to have sprinklers also And as far as emergency evacuation We have Someone from fire available from the city and also the applicant is available to answer Any additional questions you might have there's also someone from water if there are additional questions Because the project Is within the general plan density limits the unit The lot sizes are within the allowable sizes and Staff can meet all the findings for the hillside development permit and the tentative map Planning and economic development department is recommending that the planning commission approve A hillside development permit and tentative map to allow for the creation of 13 parcels for the construction of 13 single family Detach homes On 3.82 acre portion of a 6.03 acre lot Here's my contact information for those attending via zoom and those in this room If you have any additional questions feel free to email me or give me a call For those that are calling in my work. My office number is 707 543 4692 and again the applicant is available behind me Thank you does um Does the developer or the applicant have a presentation or are they here just to answer questions? Hold on just one second. Okay So it looks like you do have a presentation um, so before that are there any questions of Go ahead the commissioner sysco um, yeah, mr. Means i'm I want to fully understand the the history of the mo u Requirements and in reading the staff report. Um, it sounds like What happened? What was going to be required if the school district sold the property? They would have to use those proceeds to either fund another Project and or fund down payments for school district employees And it looks like what happened is they quit claimed it to the city And I guess what i'm curious about is was the city considered the owner selling it to christopherson and is the city responsible now for Meeting that same condition The city quit claimed as part of the condition of it is a long history. There was a holding agreement There were 12 amendments to that holding agreement. There was an mo u and a subsequent amendment to the mo u In each time they kind of changed the parameters of what was An allowed development, but you're correct that in the last one You no longer had to do the employee housing they could They could build it or they could sell to a third party developer And if they sold it then they were to use the proceeds as you stated And so the city quit claimed it to the school district and then it really the school district Sold it to the developer And the school district is bound by the terms of the mo u to use those proceeds Either to About to provide the units or to Establish a revolving loan program to provide down payment assistance And the mo u provides some parameters around that loan program So that if that is the option that they choose there are two different criteria That they have to follow in terms of how to set up that program and some Monitoring and if it if they determine that they can't or don't don't want to Use the proceeds in that way Then I believe that's when it reverts to The city and then the city has to use it for low-income housing. It's kind of a complicated tale But that's where I was confused because because in the staff report under project history It says a quick claim re deed was recorded transferring the property from the school district to the city So that's why I thought the city was no. That's where I'm completely confused That would that would be not that's not correct. Okay. So the school district is still responsible for Doing for using the proceeds as outlined in the mo u Okay, and how will we know that they've done that or what their timeline for that? um Let me see they have certain criteria. They have to follow There are some reporting requirements And then If they decide that they don't want to do that the proceeds Then the city has to use the proceeds for the sole purpose of financing construction of low-income housing So if they give them if they opt not then it reverts back to the city for the city to then use the the funding in that way Okay, but so you're correct. There will have to be some kind of reporting and monitoring system Which some of it is outlined here, but it would be something where the city would periodically Check in with the district as to the status of those proceeds Okay, thanks So I want to follow up on that question. Um, I have a long history with this project back in the days when I worked for the housing authority um, and Who who would it be the department of housing and community development that would be you know monitoring? To make sure that the district does what they Had promised over all these years And it says it's they have we have 12 months after the district determines if they can or can't do it to get the money I'm this actually I'm probably going way off base here, aren't I because that's not really their issue tonight. So Let me just put it in your brain to Maybe contact to That we have a concern as a commission to follow up with that at some time, but that's not our issue here tonight and I just slot myself Okay, so any other questions For staff before we go to the applicant Okay, now Does the applicant have a presentation? You're here to answer questions if I'm I can't hear you so if you could go up to the podium, please and And introduce yourself for the record. Sure. Yeah, sorry about that. I just got up got down. I wasn't sure what to do That's okay. No problem. My name is Amy Christofferson Bolton. I'm here tonight representing Christofferson builders And I just wanted to introduce my team We have Keith and Brenda Christofferson participating virtually as well as d. Lean Whitlock the traffic engineer who performed the study In the audience here, we have Jeff Coleman from bkf Jeff ferrell from ferrell favor architects Steve covanas who did the landscape plan And as steve sharp who's a planner um, I also wanted to Commend the staff that did an excellent job. Um, the report and presentation is accurate and it's inclusive Um, the project conforms with the senator's general plan zoning and the hillside development ordinance It's also how is designed the plan is or the project is compatible with the existing neighborhood, which I think is very important We do agree with the staff's recommendation And appreciate their hard work getting us to this point We've reviewed and agree with the approval resolutions and the development advisory committee conditions So, um in summary, there's no unusual development environmental constraints identified The staff recommends the project for approval. We support and recommend The planning commission, please approve this project And our team is here to answer any questions. Thank you Thank you. Are there any questions of the applicant at this time? okay, so with With that, I'll go ahead and open the public hearing on this item If there are any in-person attendees not seeing anybody, but if any of you want to make a statement on this Please go to the podium Not seeing anybody Are there is there anybody on zoom with their hands raised? Chair weeks. We have a couple of people on zoom um, natalie Costantino manning. I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Please state your name for the record Natalie you're unmuted. You can start speaking if you'd like Okay. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes Thank you. Hi. Yeah, I'm natalie. Costantino manning. I'm at 1908 lion court adjacent to the fur ridge meadows development Thank you again for having this meeting and I do appreciate the history also Of that site. I remember when it was going to be something much larger and much more ominous to our community So I appreciate the changes And that these houses will be very congruent to what we have now I do want to talk about the trees As we all know, we lost a lot of our trees During the 2017 wildfires And I did review the arborist report, which I thought was very well constructed I was surprised to see that there were 122 trees that were documented And 49 of which have been fire damaged. However, there's about 30 to 40 that are very good health And still a significant stature Some of those being coast redwoods and live oak which are extremely important So one of the things I want to discuss or hear about Is potentially making some room, especially the one on slide seven. There's a very significant oak That's very apparent and extremely beautiful and does house several different raptors and variety of different bird species But how that particular tree will be addressed as well as some of the other older ones And then the replacement of those if there are suggestions that we can do to mitigate From for some of those in replacement. We actually lost a big large oak on Lyon court As well, so potentially to be mitigated. I do also want to address Patterson, the wildlife biologist who's actually more of a Vegetation biologist who really didn't address The bird species that do inhabit that meadow It's not a he-field by the way. It is a meadow and there are some Vocalizations that have been going on for the last several months. So there are definitely bird species raptors in particular that inhabit that meadow Interface and so definitely understanding that there will be some type of bird Observance is done prior to construction. So we're really hoping to see the results of that and how those will be mitigated I do want to also alert the concern of the previous person who put in the comment regarding construction I am hoping that this is not considered a fire rebuild And that this goes back to the original designation of how construction is done The hours of construction the mitigation For construction, especially dust and and debris And so I definitely want to understand what that looks like and what the timing of the Construction looks like and length of construction. Will it be done in phases and or will it be all done at once? And I do alert the concerns of the city of the Council members there regarding the exchange of hands on how this property was Determined to go to directly to christopherson and that there wasn't a more formal bid process that the public was aware of Thank you very much, and I hope you can answer some of my concerns and questions. Thank you Thank you Gregory Farron, I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Please state your name for the record Yes, my name is Gregory Farron. I want to thank Amy and Natalie for that wonderful interchange trying to balance the needs of Making money on one hand and preserving the environment on the other But I want to also thank Karen because there's no reason why you shouldn't why you should be slapping your face I this sounds like a project that Totally abandoned the original design And the original what I see is an attempt to you know remedy a little of our economic disparity in the in the city somebody long ago long before probably The entire project in the hills was built Thought it ought to be a place where lots of people could live not just the rich And that seems to have been abandoned So if there's elements of it that still retain the possibility of putting some money into somebody who isn't rich Please follow through Please help the city try to balance the needs of the entire city because This little parcel as well as most of the parcels around it certainly aren't doing anything to in that regard And that's sad. Thank you Thank you Greg mark arelli. I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Please state your name for the record Greg you're unmuted Greg you are now muted If you're calling in press star nine and that can unmute yourself Is there any other hands raised after that person? Greg you can go ahead and try speaking you're unmuted There seems to be some kind of a connection issue. So if you want to try calling in you can call eight seven seven eight five three five two five seven And our meeting ID is eight four three three zero five two seven five eight four Once you call in if you press star nine then that can unmute yourself Well, wait just a couple minutes to see if they're able to call in Any action? It looks like we do have another hand raised if we want to move on why don't you go ahead Debbie me's I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Please state your name for the record We can hear you Okay, um, I sent the earlier message and I I have to I I have to back up here just a little bit to say that um, we Purchased a house here on the corner of lake miss the Harris drive and forage drive About two years ago, and we're just recently moving into it. Um, so We're we're late to this party me the first thing that I would say Again, we are we are ones who thought that that was an open space there and and certainly we're concerned about the density considerations in the area, but I would like to Miss Bolton, I believe was the name from Christopherson's Mentioned that there had been a traffic study done And I would really like to get more information on that traffic study Because the traffic is way higher than was represented earlier in the meeting I would say there are not 12 cars that pass in an afternoon There are 12 cars that pass in the first hour in the morning So traffic on this road is already very heavy The measurements the decibel measurements that I get on my back porch Are 50 to roughly 78 They are about 35 to 50 inside the house with all the doors and windows closed um, so I know that there are noise ordinances in the state in the city of santa rosa And I would just like to understand a little bit more about how those are enforced, especially as with regard to pending developments We don't answer questions during the public comment portion But we will Ask staff to address that At the end of public comments. So if you want to keep Asking questions during the rest of your time No, it's just um, I would like I would like to understand that there was a study done I would either like access to it or um to understand a little bit more about it Um because based on what I'm hearing it is grossly inaccurate um That that would be all I would request is that that I just don't have any information as to how How these kinds of projects are approved based on the noise ordinances within the city of santa rosa That's it. Thank you. Thank you We do have a caller that joined Greg if you would like to make a comment still and that's you calling press star nine and that will raise your hand Um Perfect If you press star six that will unmute yourself Perfect. Uh, you can go ahead and begin your comment. You are unmuted Yes, uh, my name is greg mark rally. I live at 1907 Lion court. I my property Uh, a but the property that's being developed And I have some of the same concerns as natalie Especially the bidding process that was done The wildlife is pretty extensive Uh in your plan between lot six and seven you have a road If you go up towards that road or proposed road to the east It's like a uh wildlife corridor. I mean the raptors are many three or four different kinds of hawks um different kinds of owls boxes um bobcats all kinds of really great wildlife And one of my questions is saying that natalie is once this project starts Are you going to build all 13 or or are you going to build a piece meal Because some of the houses are being built or have been built It sometimes it takes about a year or so and it's like ongoing constantly Almost seven days a week. So, uh, for me it would be pretty intrusive To see that happening and it taking years and years Since the market has changed a bit with The tech layoffs and inflation slowing down. There's many main houses that are sitting there will remain Unsold in this area So, uh, and since the property is not You know because of the elevation change You know, it's only being portionally being used has there been a thought by christopher's instance. They've been in The uh community for I guess 30 years if I recall You know, maybe to donate this land back to the city and keep it Keep it a natural Of beautiful piece of property uh again Following it back up with was earlier said the number of trees here Are actually doing quite well even you know, this is Since 2017 so I Again, I'm not a arborist. I'm not a person with a That type of background but the trees have responded quite well Considering how many years of drought we're going through. So I would also question those types of Findings by what was in this report That's all I have to say Thank you Any other hands raised in zoom Chair weeks. There are no other hands raised in zoom Okay, so with that I will go ahead and close the public hearing on this and Bring it back to the commission Let me start off with some questions. I heard that Either staff or the applicant team might be able to answer So there was a question on the trees and which trees and are there more trees that could remain So trees were a question bird species The issues is this considered a fire rebuild? And then the traffic study, which I believe is in the packet and is available to the public but if you could Address those questions to start and then if my fellow commissioners have other questions that they heard That would be great. Thank you chair weeks. So to First tackle the question regarding The removal of trees. If you look at the DAC report, which is I believe exhibit a condition number two under planning conditions Requires that If there are any removal of any trees to be They'll be scheduled outside of the bird nesting season And if that schedule if this schedule is not possible a qualified biologist will conduct pre-construction surveys for nesting birds No more than seven days prior to construction that it would include grading If the biologist finds any active songbird nests Within 50 feet or active raptor nests within 200 feet of the work area The biologist will delineate a buffer zone where no construction will occur until the biologist has determined that all young Have fledged from the nest or the nest is no longer active And that size of the nest buffer will be determined by the biologist And will be based on the specific species and their sensitivity to Any construction disturbance And then I believe I wasn't I didn't make myself very clear as far as The trip generation for this project. So there is a traffic study that was done and it's an attachment to your packet as part of the Um Supporting studies for the exemption And what it stated is that this proposed project would be expected to generate an average of 123 trips per day This that would include nine during morning peak hour and 12 during evening peak hour And so the the The small amount of peak hour trips did not um Trigger any requirement for a four-way stop or any Mitigation as far as Upgrading infrastructure to the roadways or things of that nature Um, could could you state? clear clearly where Um, these mice can find the traffic study. Yes give her some direction for that Yes, so it is posted on the agenda for today's meeting. Um under this item And uh, let me check the attachment number Attachment number nine nine. Yes, and it's labeled traffic study. Yes And uh, prepared by w trans And then as far as noise Um, so we do have construction hours included in that DAC report as part of the conditions of approval And that would be condition number Nine construction hours shall be limited to 9 a.m. To 6 p.m. Monday through Friday and 10 a.m. To 6 p.m Saturdays and those can be amended if this if the commission chooses to do this to do so But those are the conditions in the DAC report and then Um Back med does require A basic construction mitigation measures that are meant to reduce fugitive dust impacts, but they do help to dampen a sound in that they They Require that idling times be minimized as much as possible More so to um Reduce airborne toxic Contaminants in the air Thank you Are there other questions? Commissioner holton just one really quick question about So I know we've actually I believe it was natalie that actually asked about tree replacement In the event that a certain number of trees were displaced would there be any efforts in putting New trees out or doing new planting to Commodate the loss of the existing trees. That's it. Thank you Are Yes, I thank you. Commissioner holton our tree ordinance does provide Standard mitigation either in the form of replanting trees to a certain ratio so either one to one or one to two or one to four And If that's not possible Perhaps the site is not suitable For an additional tree for whatever reason Because it's impacted due to soil type or structures Then they can pay into a mitigation fund where trees are planted elsewhere in the city And in regard to like coastal or coastal redwoods or oaks I know in pass we've had Other mitigation actions where because of the Sheer stature of an individual tree There was a request to provide More trees than one to replace a one-to-one ratio Are we am I under the assumption that we're kind of even though some of those trees are coastal redwoods We're still staying with the one-to-one ratio So the replacement ratio is based on the diameter of the tree that's proposed to be removed. Yes Any other any other questions? I did neglect to answer one question regarding fiery build. So this is in the rc Combining district. However, this is this will be treated as new construction because it's not replacing what was burned So they'd be subject to standard construction the construction hours that are stated in the dac report and Standard code restrictions Yeah, I think just to follow up on that I believe the concern of one of the callers was that in the Rebuild areas we had taken some action years back to Amend the construction hours to allow longer periods or to I believe so they could get there earlier in the morning with the trucks But so as mistoumians has indicated this is not A rebuild so if the caller was thinking about those extended construction hours They would not apply here and as she stated They are the much more conservative construction hours in this condition And once again, we could refer people back to the dac report which Lays out the construction hours, so So any other questions? I think that unless I missed anything there's a question for the applicant if possible to answer on the phasing Oh, thank you Yeah, so there was a question on phasing of the units So, I think the last caller or second to the last caller might have asked that Thank you. Yes, both Natalie and greg asked that question So no our plan is could you put that speak really closely at the microphone? Okay. Thank you. Thank you So yeah, both Natalie and greg asked that question We fully plan to build everything out at once and I'm assuming the stars align We plan to be completely finished and sold out of the project by the end of 2024 2024 I'm sorry Yes, 2024 next year. So we're not going to be we're not going to be phasing or building it all out at once Yeah You're welcome Commissioner sisco Oh, yeah, I wonder if staff could help illuminate debbie on our noise ordinance I think she was just asking a general question about that and just to get that information out there Thank you. Um commissioner sisco so the noise ordinance doesn't specifically address construction noise because that's Sort of a temporary situation but noise in general Complaints would be submitted to code enforcement and code enforcement would investigate and enforce Any noise violations that are outside of I believe there are hours I think it's after 10 I don't have the ordinance in front of me, but um There are certain hours where you can make noise And outside of that You can't so I believe it's 10 o'clock as it cut off. It's 10 p.m. So If there are any Noises outside of that window complaints can be submitted online to code enforcement. They have a I believe an anonymous Portal where you can submit your noise complaint and they would investigate and Enforce or act upon the violation I have one more thing to add on that is the one of the callers was Making a note that she had a noise monitor and the way that the city's ordinance is set up It's measured on a 24-hour basis. Um, it's it's um, it's cnel or ldn is the measurement So you may have a temporary spike, but you look at the average over the 24 hours So that would be the way that it would be enforced. So sometimes there are single event noises We've had discussions about this before so you might have someone bouncing a basketball and might be like 75 decibels or something But that isn't accounted for you look at the total in the 24 hours So I wanted to give that clarity to her as it sounds like she's Actively paying attention and monitoring so that's um a little more information And if I may I would just add that any construction that If any construction were to be occurring outside of the construction hours that are outlined in the conditions Our building division can be contacted and building staff would make sure that That they came into compliance with that condition any other questions Commissioner Carter Yeah The staff report indicated that the the applicant asks to invoke senate bill 330 Which freezes the development standards and the fees. Do we know at what level? Was it for 2019 when the initial applications were made? Yes, uh, commissioner carter. So it would um Lock in the development Fees at the time of submittal Which was This year so 2023. Yeah 2023 there. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so um this Item has two resolutions the first one's the hillside Uh development permit and the second is the tentative map Would somebody like to enter the first resolution and uh, we'll talk about We'll make our comments about the Project as a whole and then uh enter the second resolution. So first resolution commissioner holton Yeah, I'd like to make a resolution of the planning commission of the city of santa rosa Proving a hillside development permit for fur ridge meadows for the property located at 3700 fur ridge drive santa rosa apn 173 620 030 file number prj 23001 m a j 23 dash 001 and hdp 23 dash 001 And wait for the reading Thank you. Is there a second? commissioner carter So that was moved by commissioner holton and seconded by commissioner carter So let's uh start with uh commissioner holton on comments Um, so the looks to me like the presentation was done very well. Thank you very much put together a really really good presentation um and uh, I'll be in Support of this project And I can make all the required findings Thank you Mr. Siscoe I too can make all the findings. Um It did a lot of musing on this project just because of the long history and um Was thinking about you know our planning efforts and what we put in place and what seemed like a really great idea You know more than like 20 years ago proves to be infeasible So might be also sort of speaking to mr. Wiggins issues as well, but um Yeah, I thought thought a lot about this how this has changed over the years and sat vacant. So, um I'll be able to make all of the findings and perfectly willing to approve the project Thank you Vice chair duggin I too can make all the required findings and I have no further comments that my colleagues have not made already Thank you, and we'll go to commissioner carter Uh, yeah, I think um The staff has done a good job of analyzing the project and demonstrating that it's uh been evaluated Similarly to other development in the area and conditioned appropriately And I'll be able to make all the necessary findings to approve the project Thank you commissioner peterson Uh, well, I think you know, we continue to see the effects of the tubs fire now six years later I think this is still Um An area that's that's in transition that's that's finding its new footing and I think a lot of the comments we've heard from the public Relate to that relate to the rebuild and relate to the changes that that have occurred over the past few years I think the Project in the application Um address everything that needs to be addressed I think that I can make all the required findings for this project And uh, I guess we'll see in another few years when all the parcels have been rebuilt or built Hopefully the neighbors are a little bit happier about the noise and traffic Thank you, and I also can make all the required findings. It was a real walk down memory lane for me. Um, and I'm, um I'm glad to see something happening So I as I said, I can make all the required findings And we'll be supporting the project. So, um, if we could go ahead and Call the vote on this commissioner carter I commissioner sysco I commissioner holton I commissioner peterson I Vice chair dougan I Chair weeks I so that passes with six eyes Commissioner sanders abstaining so then the second Um resolution has to do with the tentative map Uh, do we have somebody who'd like to Read that commissioner holton. Thank you I'd like to make a resolution of the planning commission of the city of santa roza approving the fur ridge meadows tentative map Located at 3700 fur ridge drive assessors parcel number 17362 zero zero three zero File number prj two three dash zero zero one hdp two three dash zero zero one and ma j two three dash zero zero one and await further reading Thank you. Is there a second? Vice chair dougan Okay, so, um, we'll go ahead and start on this end commissioner carter Yeah, I think once again the project was Appropriately analyzed and conditioned By the staff and I'll be able to make all the necessary findings to approve the resolution. Thank you commissioner peterson Uh, I have nothing to add other than I can make all the required findings of this resolution Thank you Vice chair dougan I can make all the required findings and in support of resolution Thank you commissioners cisco I also can make all of the requiring findings for the tentative map resolution Thanks and commissioner holton. I can also make all the required findings for the tentative map There is one thing I would like to circle back on though And I would like to just make sure that it's really clear to echo the sentiments of some of the concerns of some of the Collars and their acknowledgement of some of our potential concerns to just ensure that the right thing will be done And that the money will be Going to That in the event that it falls upon the city After 12 months that the um That the money can be appropriated Properly and that we can make sure that that's that's happening So I just want to make sure that you know, it's a shame It's really nice that this is a really really great project and it looks really well put together But um to echo the sentiments of gregory fran earlier He did state that you know, it looks like we're just we had a Uh an intent to have a property that was going to help low-income housing Which we have a huge huge need for here in santa rosa a huge huge need for And yet we are seeing yet another 20 million dollar project being put together for the rich. So I just like to Ensure that we're all being very aware of Of how that money needs to be re put back into The low-income housing area. So that's it. Thank you very much Thank you, and I also can make all the required findings and I think um staff heard us and it's between the school district and the city so Um So with that, um, it was moved by commissioner holton seconded by vice chair dougan if we could call the Vote please commissioner carter I commissioner sisco I commissioner holton I commissioner peterson I Vice chair dougan I Chair weeks So that passes with six eyes commissioner sanders abstaining And with that, um unless there's anything else from staff, uh, we'll go ahead and adjourn This meeting of the planning commission Thank you