 I'm going to call to order the meeting of the Arlington New Development Board for July 7th, 2014. Our first order of business on our agenda tonight is an environmental design review hearing for 30-50 Mill Street, the Steward Medical Group signs for that property. Right now, I don't think there's anyone here from the applicant. So I'm going to just set that aside for right now and move on to a couple of other pieces of business that we have as a board. And hopefully, around 7.15, with any luck, maybe we'll have the right people here. And we can start that hearing. So I think what I'll do is I'll take the lease extensions for the Department of Mental Health and the Department of Developmental Services. I think I'll take that. We're going to go a little bit out of order here. That was originally scheduled in the agenda for 8 PM. But we're going to take that now. So Carol, do you want to report on this a little bit for us? Yes. The Department of Developmental Services and the Massachusetts Department of Mental Health are tenants in the central school. They had a three-year lease with a clause to allow for extensions. They've just completed the first two-year extension that the board executed at ending. It started in 2012, and it just ended June 30th. We received these before they ended, but the board didn't have a meeting scheduled in the interval in which we entirely received them today. So you're considering them now. This proposes to keep the rent level. The rent is slightly below what we believe to be market rent for that building. I think, though, that it's reasonable to renew the lease because it's still for a short-term extension. And they are stable, good, dependable tenants. And I don't think it's worth trying to argue with the state at this point to try to get additional rent because it could potentially cost us more than it would be worth. I do expect that, at the end of this term, I would expect that the state would issue an RFP possibly. You call that they did issue an RFP, and then they threw it in roughly 2010. I think the tenants are happy. We made an improvement to part of their lease facilities this past fiscal year. But I think they were very pleased with it. So I think it's worth pursuing and executing the extension in the term of two years. Two years. That's a question. Yeah. Carol, is this a prescribed form that the Colorado uses for extensions? Or is it our form? Or is it? This is the state's form. It's only slightly different than what you executed in 2012. I was wondering if the paragraphs had talked about the landlord's warranting and representing that we have legal capacity to enter into the agreement and that a person executing is duly authorized to do so. In fact, we've worked both ways if we could have that modified to say that the landlord and tenant warrant represent that they respectively have legal capacity to enter into the agreement and to execute the agreement. So that would be in four and six. We'd just add a tenant after landlord, take all the pluralized verbs and make them singular, and then when landlord appears, say, and tenant respectively. I can give you what that would actually read. The tenant's open to that slight modification. I don't have a problem with the extension. So on item four and six of both leases, we can just change any instance of landlord to landlord and tenant warrant and represent. I don't see why not. I mean, we could find out that they wouldn't. But I can't imagine why they wouldn't. Yeah, I know I would tend to agree. But I think it's a common sense type of change. And only if they're just sort of of the mindset that we're not going to entertain. Yeah, this is our form. So I think given our, I guess the question was, is given our meeting schedule, as it is for the upcoming weeks, I guess actually looks like we will have one in two weeks. But my only concern would be is if we got a negative result on that and we had only authorized the signature if those changes were made. So I wonder whether we can't leave it a little bit more open to the extent that they're not amenable to that change, still authorized. I mean, I suppose because probably they did a big value that the person signed. So that's a decent amount. Also, on the certificate of tax on employment security compliance, and I gather Mike, your chairman, you're going to wind up signing this there. You may want some certification to you from the computer town's controller that indicates that we're up to date and paying all of our employees taxes and stuff like that just for your own protection. OK, I appreciate that. You're the person sticking to that. To seek some confirmation from the treasurer first? If the treasurer would be the right person, I didn't know if it was treasurer or if it was somebody else. Do I have two copies? Two different lists. Yeah. Maybe one wasn't by mistake. I have one for the lease date of June 12. Here it says 15th June, well, oh, and you have a June 23rd. Why do you have a June 23rd? Because one is for the Department of Developmental Services and one is for the Department of Developmental Services. OK, so the timing is different on the two different ones. I see that now. OK, that was my own question. I thought they were together and that I had a little copy of my own tool. Now I see it. Do you think I have to sign this? Why can't we have the controller after the sign-down? The name of the landlord. It says name, title of landlord. I guess the landlord is Tom Varlington. Right. Right. OK. The controller is the board, though. The owner is the board. They're representing the town of Arlington, but. Hacking through the owner to the pre-development board. Right. So I think it's still the town that needs to make the certified district. Well, I'll talk to Douglas about it. I'll talk to Douglas about it, but I think you're right, so either I need a certificate that I can rely on for this and I need someone to film this out appropriately anyway, because I certainly don't have a lot of this information. You don't have personal knowledge. Exactly. Or I wonder whether we can't have someone from the town sign their certificate of tax and employment security compliance, and then I can sign up the key member of the government to the list or the sponsor. So maybe we just need to talk to Douglas about that. Town council about that? OK. And I have to go be on the phone or be on the mountain. It won't be a long call, it's just a quick email. What's done for last night? B-I-M, what's stringy? This is rainbow weather? Yeah, it really is. Christine, anything else? No, that was mainly a question I wanted to ask. Is there anything that's on here? Carol, I just want to make sure. But I understand what you were saying about it being a bit below market, although it's a good rent, I would say, for that particular problem. There's no requirements on us to make any additional changes or improvements to the lease base at this point. So that's a good thing. So I put that in the bucket of, as far as the rent being a little bit lower, I would put it in a, as not having to spend any, or I'll lay any cash. The improvements that were done were what you had listed in past meetings or meetings that were done. And there were approved by Tammy, who proposed a capital improvement, so a capital improvement. So either they were approved by the Chancellor's Committee or they didn't reach the target threshold for being a capital expenditure? OK. So I guess it would be good if there's no other questions or comments or anything else. If we could move to approve the extension of leases based on the amendments we have in front of us. And I guess the question is, is do you say, I guess we say, with the changes set forth by? Well, I think in the interest of the expediency, I think that we can just move to approve the extension. And hopefully we can get the. But we can still request. I won't make that part of the motion. But just if we can request. Then you all absolutely. But the most little changes be made, paragraphs 46 of the two. I think that sounds like a great idea. I'm going to do it that way. And we'll definitely do that because we're going to have to do the other portion. I think it's just move to approve and authorize the sign. I think that's what I heard at some point. Yeah, that's by motion. Yeah. Second? Second. OK. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any sign from this point? There's Andrew. There's people coming but not the one behind me. Exactly. OK. I'm sorry, I'm going to add. Thank you. OK, so that takes us past the lease extensions. It's now 20 past 7. I still don't see the steward people here. So let's move to the approval of the minutes. We're not quite at 7.30 for our next EDR minutes. So we've got in front of us minutes from last meeting. Minutes for June 16th. OK, sure. Great. In the first paragraph, third line, where we talked about the Certificate of Compliance item, I just thought we might want to reference that to the VRL to the 360 project. So otherwise, Certificate of Compliance by itself is a little bit. So I said, took the Certificate of Compliance item pertaining to the arms and 360 project. And it continued on from there. Then in the third paragraph from the bottom, one says, Mr. Gluck stated that the signs that the trainer looked. I would change the period at the end of the second sentence to comma and add the following. That the lettered portion of the proposed sign is smaller than that of the current sign and that the remainder of the sign is simply with 1,000,000 brands of colors. So the point of that change is that he's explaining that both the size of the sign maybe larger, the signage part of it, the logo and name is actually smaller. And then it's really just the color scheme that's being extended along the facade of the building. And then on the last paragraph, where Carol you pointed out some of the violations under the existing special permit, I think we may need a transition paragraph because right after your comments, it says that we moved to approve the signage. So it just seems like maybe we sort of took into consideration. And I'm not the applicant indicated that they were going to try to put the plants back and has the landscaping plant pulled forward. But I see recall that there was something that they might have a little bit of work to do just to bring themselves into compliance. But without that transition paragraph, it just seems a little abrupt to say, okay, we're granting you a special permit. So I'll leave that to your authorship. So for the sign description, you said that the letter portion of the proposed sign is smaller than that of the current sign. And that the remainder of the sign is simply the valuing brand's colors or color scheme. The logo is larger. We need to change that whole sentence. The logo is larger when the overall sign is the same size as the text. Right, and that's actually the sentence before that. I think it's the one that needs to be changed. It says Ms. Kowalski pointed out the proposed sign with the logo and the name is five times larger than the existing sign. Actually, I think what you pointed out is that the logo itself was larger by five times, but not the whole sign. The sign was actually a little bit smaller. The area of the logo and the words is the same size as it was before. Yeah. It's a long 20 foot wide by five foot high. Yeah. It didn't change, but the actual logo within it got bigger. Yep, I got it right here. And do you have the existing? Yep, I do. The dimensions are on it. It didn't actually change a little bit. Yeah, it kind of did. If you look at the, you know, compare the name and logo on each piece of the proposed. Here's the existing, and here is the, and I think what you had pointed out was the logo itself is five times bigger than what the logo was. But if you look, the sign, the same. And they pointed that out. The overall, if you squint test, the red zone is the same size. These are both existing, I thought. No. No, the one on the left is the existing. Oh, it says the existing line, okay. Oh, sorry, the one on the right. Because they knew that, though. The one on the right is the new. The one on the left is the old. The incident oil change was huge on it. There was one with dimensions right on it. You can see that there. But either of these has dimensions. See this overall band of red. That's what they said was the same size. We can figure that. But what I was giving you was a measurement of the words and the logo. And the words and the logo of the new one were smaller. But that's why what you gave us was that the logo. See how the logo is tiny on the left? That's what you did. That's the point you were making there. Yeah, I think so. I actually remember the point. You said the logo was bigger. You said the logo was five times bigger. Okay, so let's just change that. But overall, signage is the same size. Actually, we're writing this one. The proposed logo is five times larger. No, the existing logo. I don't know. The proposed one is five times bigger. Just strike it. Because I think Bruce's new sentence gets us to where we need to be. So that letter portion of the proposed sign is smaller than the current sign. And the remainder of the sign is sign band? Yeah, yes. I think you can just lose that other sentence. Hello, come on in. Okay, so I'm sorry, I kind of hijacked you there. No, no, no, I just wanted to That's good. No, okay. Andrew? Andy? Good. Okay, with that change, I'm okay with these two. So if you get a motion to approve. I moved to approve as amended. Seconded? Seconded by Andy. All in favor? And Kristina. I'm just going to check in on one thing. You're here for the for the Stewart sense? I am. I was wondering about that. Sorry about that. It's hard to find sometimes. We do have another hearing scheduled for 7.30. So I'm going to hear that first and then come back to it. Hopefully it won't be too long. Although that's running a little bit late. So I think it is 7.30. So right on time, I'd like to open up or reopen the hearing for I'm going to reopen the hearing to the environmental side with you the continued hearing for 1398 Mass App Verizon. And I see Dan Klasnik for the application. As I had spoken with Carol earlier today about really the sole purpose of coming here this evening. Sure. Could you just introduce yourself for the record? Yeah. I'm Dan Klasnik. I'm the attorney for the applicant. As I was saying really the sole purpose for me coming here this evening is to request this forward for further continuance in July 21st. I'm not offering testimony or opening the hearing in any way. We have been making progress I think to address some of the report's concerns that were more I think fundamentally related to the property itself as opposed to Verizon Wireless's proposal. It took a little longer than we had anticipated as far as getting folks' attention. But now I think we do have the attention of some folks and there's meeting schedules between the property owner and members of the staff that I think will hopefully move forward towards and hopefully by the 21st we would be in a better position to understand exactly where we're at as far as expressing our concerns. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. We'll take that under advisement. We'll have to agree on this. Yes, we do. But I want to take public comment. Oh, I'm sorry about here. We've got people here. So this is, I have reopened the public hearing. So I will take public comment if there's anyone who wants to comment. Otherwise the suggestion or the request is that we continue to the 21st. So does anyone want to make a comment tonight? I guess the point of order is it acceptable for me to ask Mr. Clesnick a question directly, or is that it's not really important? Yeah, I can try. Could you please introduce yourself? Pardon me. I'm Joshua. I'm the owner of 1012 Quincy Street. So I'm one of the neighbors butting the property in question. So I didn't know with the request for the continuance is the idea that he has been that the property owner on Mass Ave. has been already making changes, or are we still waiting to understand what all the changes are? Sure. And I can give you my side of it. Certainly. Certainly, Attorney Clesnick can correct me but I think the progress that's being made is with the town to understand what the town's issues are. Okay. And I might be wrong with that but I guess you don't have to comment but that's my understanding is that's part of the progress I've been to kind of start to understand some of the town's issues with the property. Okay. I didn't, you know, I don't know what's within the purview of this board. It would be very nice if we could have some of you come take a look at the neighborhood. Overall, and it is a good thing. Some of the things that extend from the building are directly to it. Our storage is being used along our property lines. Tire is being put right by our fence line which there's a concern for fire hazard things like that. Things that certainly could be overcome for sure. The trickier issue does come down to parking. No one is doing anything wrong per se. There's just a lot more parking than I think was initially thought that it was going to be scheduled for that street and what makes that a little tricky is the two things. One there's enough parking on both sides it often comes down to one lane. So when it comes to emergency vehicles and things like that it can be a little tricky. The other is that there's a lot more traffic and that is that street is one of the main thoroughfares used for children going to Audison Middle School. So it is at least worth taking a look at. I don't know how much you know, some of it does directly follow the purview of this issue and because it is a lot of the employees of great Boston Motorsports parking there and I really do want to say I don't, you know, they're doing nothing wrong. They're showing up to work and they're the nice people. But I don't, you know, it is clearly a little more traffic than the street was initially intended to handle. So if it can be included in these discussions it would be certainly much appreciated. So those are the main things from my point of view. My neighbor's here at night too as well. So I'll see you on the floor. I don't know if you're on the street. We're likewise butters and I agree with Josh with the tires and the congestion and all. Great. Well, thank you for coming. Thank you. Okay, so any comment or questions? Just that I do go past that site quite often. So I am familiar with the parking and everything that's happening there. They're around back. You wouldn't be able to see them from the street. Like that fortune. Yeah. A lot of the area would be where the inventory is stored around back and that's the area that directly butts our properties. So, you know, once again there is some give and take here. It's certainly not a move out or get out situation. But, you know, there's some concerns about how things are being stored. I think it could be certainly kept meter in that way and, you know, as neighbors we try to do that. Sure, just fuel in either the motorcycles or the snowblowers and you pick the tires right here. Yeah, and some batteries, also some drums of indeterminate, you know, I'm not sure if it's motor oil or what have you. You know, like I said, these things, you know, these things that accrue as a natural part of the business, I do understand that. And honestly, you know, I do want to say the great Boston Motorsports brought their snowblowers around, some times during some of the nastier storms and so, this is not a completely I don't think it's, yeah. The regular people are good. Exactly. Is that in the area where they still have a buffer yard also? When the storage is happening? Yeah, I don't know. I think that's part of what we're looking into right now is to try to get from the town exactly what the issues are. And music through now? That's probably the biggest issue I'd say. You know, that's the one it's not a safe matter of safety, it's just not pleasant to live next to you sometimes. So, you know, that one I'm not sure, you know, I won't tell the board what exactly is on the wife but that one, I was surprised. It's incongruous with the rest of the businesses there. For sure, you know, I certainly understand motorcycle noise from the motorcycle shop, I've never called to complain about that, but the music studio is a bit of a non sequitur. It operates at odd hours and then it usually starts up at night. We're going to, of course, it's the least wanted. So, that's the biggest non sequitur within the preview of that building. So, I'm good. So, there's been a I guess I'll entertain a motion for the continuation of July 21st or next month? Do we have a card? I think we don't have anything else that night. So, I'd like to do it for 7 o'clock. So, we'll move. Second. All in favor? All right. Okay. Thank you. Are we allowed to come? Thank you very much. I'll always public care. Thank you. And we have a public comment. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Starting a little bit late what Stuart's representative was wandering the halls. Nope, no problem at all. I'm going to open the hearing. I just have to open it officially for the environmental design review of Burieda 50 Mill Street Stuart Medical Group, the signage. So, why don't you come on forward and introduce yourself? My name is Lisa Mann. I work for Sign Design and Broughton Mass and I am the account rep for Stuart Health Care. I have been for about 7 years. What we're proposing and again, Stuart Medical Group has a location at 50 Mill Street in Arlington where they provide public care as well as women's health. The site opened a few months ago. We got a little held up with the landlord. If you want. We had a little held up with the landlord but finally are here before you to see what we can work out for signage or dislocation so that they can let the community know that they're there. That's their biggest concern. They bring these doctors in and what they initially proposed was two permanent signs along with the gold number at the top of the building because people were having trouble finding it as well as what they consider standard for their offices is some treatment of the windows. We initially proposed more coverage. A couple of these are actually exam rooms but then we were told that we only could be a certain percentage of the windows for coverage so we backed it off and told them they had to just shut their minds. So what we showed here on each top of each sheet is an overview of all the signage and then each sign type called out. When we get to the windows we show the whole window size so you can see that we're using a percentage. Not because we're going to treat the whole window it's just that top panel that we're using. The product Carol was nice enough to ask us to bring panels. We call it one-way window tone and it lets light in but when you apply it to the exterior window you actually can't see it once it's on the you can't see it from the inside. So it just blocks, it gives enough but lets some light in and we've got a larger sample to show the print quality and just the product. We use it quite a few of the Stewart hospital locations as well as the medical group offices. They take a little bit of the glare out so it kind of takes a little bit of the sun glare away but from the inside you actually if you didn't know it was there you wouldn't know and from the outside you can see that. This is the product, not that. They both are. It just has a backing. You take the backing off. It's see-through. Or you can see light through it. You can suck this to the outside of your window and you look at it from the inside you barely know what was there. It's neat stuff. It's like screening mesh. It disappears. But still from the outside it looks like a regular a regular vinyl, yep. A regular vinyl. And you're just proposing that for this top section. Those poppers, correct. Not for the whole window. And like I said we tried to show the whole window size so you could see that we were using the practical portion. Yeah. It's right on. Yeah. It's okay when the sun hits it. I also brought a little photo of the existing where we have used it for them. It's meant to be on exterior doors but they have used it in some cases in lobbies. Yeah. Thank you. That's actually a waiting room so it's nice that you don't just drive by and see people sitting but they can see out. So it's a safety conscious as well. I did actually have a someone at Morton Huntsville Collins they forgot to put them on but I said go outside and they're there. And the the current sun? Yeah. What they'd like to have is a lit sign because they do operate in some evening hours and when I get started again. So what we have proposed is an internally lit box simple. This is standard keyword branding nothing. Unusually seen in all the other offices. When allowed. And again their biggest concern here is visibility. The parking is all on the side. The sheet 2 of the 6 sheets is the view from the side parking lot facing the true value. Which I think is where most of their parking is anyway. And then the back of it is more of a walkthrough area. Which is the last the last sheet. Which sheet? The sheet 6. That's that. That's almost like a pedestrian walkway behind. That sort of happens. The bike path. And this would be if you wouldn't be able to see through it at all. You can't. Well not really. Not in the top. You can see through the bottom. We just showed the whole window to show that the proportion was correct. But this is just clear open window. Oh okay. And I'm sorry that's the same product on the top. Correct. We try to stick with the one way film for safety reasons. And it wears very well. And it's a good product. And for consistency as well. No. It's like it's a very attractive side package. I know Carol raised a couple comments in her director's report. So I believe it's for Carol to make. If you want to. Sure. Why don't you do it as a start. Now we have an eye covering it a couple things. One comment I made to the board was just to suggest to the board that they consider requiring that the sign be turned off after business hours. So maybe you want to explain what Stuart does typically. Typically they're on a timer or a photo cell. So they go off it either when the town requires or at least after practice hours. I'm not entirely certain of what the hours are here because it was a newer practice. But we can either go with whatever their closing time is or whatever the board sees fit. I'm sure they'd be happy to comply. And it's very standard for the timer on these things. So nobody has to worry about them. And I also just advise the board to consider making a condition that the remaining window parts of the window remain clear. Would it sound like you're proposing to do. It's not specifically called out on a plan. So that's why I think it's very more clear to make a condition. Since it reinforces what we're hearing proposed it just helps make it clear so that if a year from now no one could remember it was represented in the file. I always try to make sure you have that sub-explanatory conditions. So just from my own curiosity the fabrication looks easy than molding. It's the extrusion number that we use like our catalog stock. So it's like the metal. Correct. And LF molding that's just the term for that. And how about DHO? DHO is the type of lamp, the type of fluorescent we use. It's a daylight lamp. It's not like a bright bright bright white. It's like a kinder they don't even really make the bright white ones anymore. So you're not using LED? You're not proposing LED here. It depends on budget. They're more expensive initially. So we try to, I mean we can recommend that steward you know if the board wants to recommend LEDs we do like to use them. They're brighter. They do have a warmer, so the DHO lamp will be a little bit of a warmer light. Not as bright. LEDs are, yeah they're meant to last for a long time to be super bright. We get them in different daylight, you know softer, but we don't typically stock those. They're a special order. How about the energy comparison? They're gonna do better with the LEDs. Typically, the draw is really low. They last a long time. Yeah, for the rest it's usually don't. We try to use bulbs that last for photo album. Usually we recommend them servicing them for like a year and a half. For when we install them and then use them. 15, 20. Depending. Yeah, you may want to ask them to consider LEDs. Yeah, on this day of energy saving and I would like to include that in this. My only other question, in our sign ordinance, do we say that the logo has to be less than 10% of the sign? I was trying to look for whose limit on the size of the logo. I mean, I think it's very tasteful looking and I like it, but I'm sorry that I don't have the bylaw here. I have the bylaw here. I was just starting to read it. Go ahead and check it because I think it may be except when What zone are we in? The logo is meant for a product or service provided. It's section No, what zone are we in? Here. This is, I think it's B2A. So it's not B1. You're not thinking about the signs on the fields. No, no. This is under prohibited signs. Signs in the RB1 districts containing a registered trademark of the train, a specific commodity for sale. Well, it's not a specific I think that's more the COLA sign. And then in all other districts signs with containers. So this isn't a registered trademark. It's just their logo. Okay. I thought that was more in consideration of something we were selling inside. So in other words a convenience store can't have a COLA sign. Is that the way that works? In all other districts signs with container registered trademark or portray a specific commodity for sale. Occupying more than 10% of the sign area. Because that registered trademark commodity is a principal activity. Okay, so this is a principal activity. Yeah, because otherwise the shell sign could never work, right? Because it's not only 10% it's the whole sign. Alright, okay. I think it's more on the convenience of the store type of thing. Okay. Good. Let me make those two so I can see what I'm saying. Andrew? No, I really don't have any objection to this. Andy? Is this your standard sign size? Andrew, we try to make it a bit comfortable in the building without disrupting the sign. I may be the only one, but I feel like it kind of sits in a funny way. Okay. Floating up here in space. It's a funny shape, you know, kind of portion building. It is. I think what you might want to do is in all the way across, right above that entrance, you could even make that a awning if you wanted to. Okay, it looks like an awning. I would be concerned about visibility, keeping it lower. That's actually the nose-feet sign. Yeah, that's not the end. You'd both signs. You've got the same sign on the nose sign. That's just my opinion. I think everybody else is okay with it. I just think it it just feels funny floating up in nowhere to me. I like the proportion of even a bigger zone that's right in this location. You aren't raised up off the street in that particular view. Right. So I don't think you're going to have problems seeing it. It just looks to me like it's kind of a paste on there. It's kind of a line here at the window. I think we were trying not to make it too big. I think it can stand it. This building is, it needs it. It needs an awning or a big thing. I apologize. I know my sign it's a reflection. You're considering awning like they were to propose an awning and maybe maybe I could talk them into dropping window graphics and doing an awning or something and that would help a little bit with the glare. Do you consider if it has no graphic on it do you consider it part of your sign coming? Because they have a standard awning. It has no graphic sign. I don't think the sign where it is is what you're saying. It would almost look like your sketch. So you leave the sign on it. No, that's the thing. I still think it's kind of a funny motor. Even if it's over an awning you put the text on it. I'd rather see it floating in this small or non-floating bigger. I'd leave it floating or I would drive it down and put it on a square box awning that could be illuminated the same way. So it gives a little gust to it. They tend to do except for them underneath. They do fabric, really nice fabric on it. It would definitely change the look. I'm a huge fan of awnings. This building needs some scale. It's a box. They could put the tags on the awning and light it from above, wouldn't they? Do downlights on it? Real amateur design critique. The third of you guys on this stuff. I notice that when the number of the building is a little bit more in the corner like it is in the parking lot the sign seems to fit better in the center of the building. I'm wondering if you did the same thing that you put the graffiti over. Did you put the graffiti over the right-hand corner? I like it in the right-hand corner but it doesn't have anything to do with the scale of the sign. There again we're just trying to help people with their GPS because I did it. I grip right by it. They had nothing at least and they found a temporary banner so people can find it. It was under construction. That's how I navigated my way over there. So you're saying they might be amenable to doing an awning. It might be a bigger text on it. The awnings, so awnings are made a couple of different ways. You can make them like a shed. Which they tend to do shed which gives them just a balance to work off of. Or they can be made steep so that the logo can go on the awning. They could be made in a box, you see too. These box type. Very simple. Just to get the snow on. On the front. Or you just put your sign right there and even extend it so it's wider. It needs some... It seems to float in a big field right there. Like I said I think we were trying to play with sign size to keep it a little more delicate and budget-friendly. I understand. They may drop the window signs if they run that down. If I put an awning over it, you won't be able to see them. Because the awning needs to have some kind of function. These are both non... This is a non-endurance, it's just actually a bow tie. So really an awning if they were going to put them there or something. They're more likely to put them over entrances where they're questionable. Where's the entrance on the shattered side? It's on the shattered side to the left. Behind this trunk. The door has the main entrance. I did have a question on that. So there's no proposal for the door itself? There's a main entrance in that handy path direction. Yeah, and there's a lighting over that door. They felt like... And actually I agree with them, there's a tree there as well. You can see it right over the trunk. And when that's full, you really need to see that number which is why we put it on the corner and then the sign is to know to turn in to get that location. So my thing is that I'd rather not give kind of like the sign bigger. That's the one. How much bigger can they go by the by the ordinance? Maybe just drop it down to the line. Just keep it right on my eye. Just bring it down a couple feet. No, so it sits on the on the... At least it has eyes on it. Yeah, then it sits on something. I think she tried to center it off the bottom. That's what I would do. If the building needs awnings, it needs stuff... And honestly, if the entrances were on there I would totally agree with you. I'd put an awning on the Shattuck site. Just without the sign. Just something to give this thing a little more inviting feel. It feels very office-y like. It's like an office and now you're sticking a sign up there which is kind of floating up in the middle of a different side. It doesn't look... I'm happy to propose it to them out there. They have a nice big blue awning. You can put the sign on the front. That's nice. Especially if they've used it in other buildings. It's more so on the larger hospitals than it just has the white logo. We've never done it for a student medical group. So, what I'm hearing from the board just to be clear is as far as though the windows and the concerns we encourage them to look at awnings as a... I would say it's approval. I like those window fabrics. They're great. They shade the sun a little bit. They actually make a little life in there. Right. I think the sign is okay if you want to go that way. I would urge the proposal to say we urge you to look at awnings. I would... How do we feel about the staff giving staff the authority to approve this? You know, that we're okay with it as is. We'd like to see this moved down at least to the line on both sides. As Andy suggested, at least move it down to the stucco line. You know, one up there. We'd like LED considered. LED considered. You mean the scene? Exactly. Just one above the windows. Not the one. This one. Yeah. Exactly. Is that stucco? Is that panel? It's stucco. Drive it. Drive it panel. Okay. So we've got parallel. We would very much like to recommend that these LEDs move the signs down to the scene one. I'm sorry. But you're recommending LED in the motion? I think we're going to leave it to staff to finally approve. But yeah, we'd like them to consider. We understand that this has no teeth and the board should understand that one we only recommend. There's cross-differentiation. But then I presented the corporate and and they just decide whether or not they think that's a great move. Do we also want to consider the longer sign? Rather than just moving it to the scene? No. If they don't drop it down, I wouldn't make it longer. Because then it's floating again. No, they would drop it down. If we want to suggest them, that's our suggestion. Yeah, that's an option. But you weren't in favor of that? I'd rather not see a sign as big as the window myself. Because I think proportionately you can't just go that way. It has to go this way too. I agree with Mike. As an awning, it would look great that way. Not as an illuminated box. Not as an illuminated box. So Rick, what the size is just placement on the facade that we want to move down to? Which doesn't sound controversial. That's not controversial at all. We recommend that they look at awnings potentially on either side to add scale and basically just livelihoods to the building. I think the broadest minutes would be thrilled to hear that. Did he scale? Did he landscape? It just looks like a box out in the middle of a tundra right now. So would people be signed awnings or just straight awnings? I think people would be okay with them being signed awnings as long as it's not fighting with the white box. If it's something I think it was. If you were mine personally, if you were going to leave the sign, I would just do a nice blue awning. So that would be I think that would be better because once you start adding a sign it gets very structural. Although I think you could possibly put the address. Go ahead and put it on both sides if you want to. If you're facing east and south you need a lot of light in there. That would hurt you to handle it. We'll just make the building with more inviting. I have one question. Would it be acceptable to keep these window graphics and move them down so they sit on the million to keep them the same proportion? To run a little color? Along the bottom. They're along the very bottom or just sitting on the million? I think it would look really nice if you did add a nice deep blue awning just to run these down here. That would be a good trigger. I think it would be very attractive. Yeah. So to be clear another alternative would be just to review what you said that the one-way film beyond the lower window opening if an awning is added. Not the lower lower. Sitting on this. Sitting on there. I couldn't see what you were doing. Correct. So the bottom portion of the middle Reynolds. But the same size. It's stripped for consistency. So if the awning is added is the sign still moving down? We'd have to sit it. You'd have to sit it up. Correct. Are you comfortable? So they could just go what they have moved down to the joint line. Correct. That is an absolute approval here. And we can approve awnings wherever they want to put awnings, right? Carol's going to have that. Yeah. I see these little windows over here all by themselves and I know the doors over there. It is a little lonely. Does the board want to include or not include the specifying that the balance of the windows will remain free of film and that the box, the life boxes will be turned off after close business. Yeah, have power after close business. Yeah. And do we all have that? I mean, what business goes through? It's an office. It's an office. Yeah, it's an office. It's not on earth and air. And I know that they have nice, I think, globes when you walk into it. It's not like that. They're only white sorts. We could say but in no event later than 10 o'clock. Or, okay. I mean, yeah, because then you cut it off. It's a residential area. Well, yeah, a little bit. On all sides. Lisa mentioned you weren't quite sure what the hours could be there yet. So, half hour after business, I'm just going to sort of have a little bit of an outside parameter. Sure. My typical sites for them usually are only open since it's open. Oh, okay. But that's, again, I'm not sure about this dynamic in this neighborhood. This is an emergency care. I don't know. I would have said 10. Yeah, but that's because it's going to be it's going to be a half hour after. But in no event later, you know, so if there's okay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That'd be my record. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yes. The sign excuse me. The address number is black, correct? Correct. And we like that on the upper right. And Oh, right. We already have both on the street side at the right. You want to also move this one to the upper left? So it's on the corners? Sure. Yeah. On the middle street. So Carol, you've got enough for our motion there. And so on, I read it back to where? That the sign either as presented or with the lightbox signs moved down to the stuff now we've seen or with awnings one or more blue awnings no sign and to authorize direct excuse me and the screens placed on the bottom of the center window panels with the condition of the lightbox signs turned off 30 minutes after close of business moment at the 10 p.m. with the balance of the windows remain free of film and street and we're moved to upper left hand corner on the middle street facade to be approved at the breakfast discussion. And I think the only thing that I heard that might need to change the very first part because I think no matter what the sign needs to move down to the scene I think you had that it's approved as shown. And I'll say as is but with? That's exactly and I think then because I'm afraid me. Was LED in there? Oh thank you. The board further the board at the beginning that says the board recommends both LED and to consider LED and awnings and then say that and then you can put that right before it says that you get to approve with the recommendation that the we move to approve with the recommendation that light LED pictures be considered and as it and approved as is as well as awnings provided that you have to start with move to approve the signage as proposed except drop down to the where do we put in LED recommendations I think that Andy's on the right track why don't we get the motion to say this is what we've approved subject to these conditions and then we can say the board recommends that the applicant could consider as alternatives use of awnings in which case the thing but the film that's on the windows can be moved down to just above the moment and all the others sort of you know that LED that's right they're all recommendations but let's get the main point of what we want to say out there first in the motion and then we'll do the recommendations for other considerations so I think Andy we should sort of follow up with you start with as I think you're on the right track I've moved to approve the application with the change in the location of the sign to drop to the first scene above the window period why don't I know exactly what you want to do because there's no room left to write unless I rewrite the whole thing which I can do but I don't know what to do once you say that and I say the board also recommends the following has the following recommendations LED lights so basically do you want the optional stuff to be just recommendations at the end and the requirements are that the sign moved down both sides that the sign's been moved down that the numbers moved to the left and that the the time of so sorry but the only optional thing is the LED and that you consider awnings so that the other part of the awnings is awnings and then the signs can get moved down the screen is like otherwise if there's no awnings they can't get moved down it wasn't right anyway no but we wouldn't want them that big it's much simpler than word and age exactly so but we can definitely I make a motion to approve that second act one favor thank you I have one question about process obviously there's a letter that from all that and it will mean that along with the updated drawings once I call them tomorrow and say this is what they you know the board would like to do and I'll work out that out with them how long typically before that paperwork comes out well your best bet is and then check in with Carol to see whether in the end it's going to be her call to go with something different than what was actually approved okay and that inspection services will receive your signed permit application and they'll want to see exactly what was approved sure this is going to include a copy of that this is the letter yeah it's going to be a chicken or the egg thing because we've allowed the director to have some authority here we need to understand what the final decision is going to be and then she can write up the special permit in the appropriate way is that correct I can if it's helpful to you and can you give me a steward I can email you a summary of what was approved I have pretty good notes and I have a very good sense visually because I know what they're going to say show me a little bit so we're going to have to do it in order to price it correctly I'll take a crack at mine take a crack at yours and then we'll just dance together whatever they decide you'll want to take that presentation with you of course to to me to approve and then that approved version will go who's second to please I did it's great that you're moving in there that they're moving in there it's important to us because that whole project it's got a lot of time on it it has a lot of component to it we've got the medical office building to try to do we've got all the rest for the new ones we've got a lot of capacity connections through and this retail but now there's more than a little piece of it so that's why I'm anxious to see it have a little life to it and drive and the practice managers here and I deal with all the different practice managers across the world they're pretty wide down and these are a great bunch of people and they really want the community to drive and they want to be involved so they're going to be excited that this one as well as we did I totally appreciate all of your input can I ask you a question please can you have any sense from Stuart whether there's any particular use that you think they would enjoy seeing in the small kiosk building just outside your I looked at that I was like what is it and they couldn't answer me at this time so I can ask them so the ladies over there are wonderful and when I asked the question I think they told me they weren't sure what it was going to be wasn't sure if it was going to be some kind of a coffee house or like a little fun community item I don't mean to imply that this board has any control over the tenant there but if there was use that you thought would be especially appreciated or patronized we could convey that to the practice manager to stand to lease it up well I think generally when I work with them they love to see community involvement and they whatever draws people that just helps for their awareness you know say coffee shop but after people want to walk over there and enjoy that it's beautiful ice cream would be growing and they would love that I look for envisioned some type of some type of ice cream coffee something that would help gather and use the public space that we animate it is a neat space and I think that they are very community driven and I'm sure the employees would appreciate it as well if it was your own thing absolutely more important I think your office is about a half month from here is that the old tennis club they're on the corner of west chestnut so I was on the corner of west chestnut that's funny alright thank you folks so much thank you I think we finished the exhaust of the attendee of the event so second all in favor hi