 We will call the meeting to order Dave jumps on he jumps on yeah, so six oh three six o'clock by the bill On the agenda it looks like we will be taken off the abatement request This evening so Mike bill ado abatement will be taken off so we can remove that and Then the executive session we can take that out So unless anybody has anything else to amend just need a motion to approve as amended Okay, all in favor Hello Okay, no problem Thanks, Dave by His his zoom is not up to date. So it's updating. So he said it might be all right. All right So who made the motion sorry Lindley Lindley made it I made the motion jeans jeans second it. Yep Thanks, sorry about that. Yeah All right So first on the agenda is an appointment that we have with paul kurchin elliott for the phase two water project Let therese So jason booth is on zoom as is jamison Had ad I said that wrong. I apologize and So there to talk about the Obviously our 2.5 million dollar project that we just put out I put in your packet the water system improvement total project cost summary As long as well as um their bid analysis report some other stuff I I kept that I didn't put in your packet That's a lot of information there that you didn't need like some of the details. So But uh jason is here. I'm not sure jason. Have you ever met? I know wane has been here. Have you been here before? I I was there for the last for the last project. I'm not sure if I've met anybody if there's any new members, but um, yes, I'm familiar with Stumble them some of the board members Okay, yeah, so I met then it would be chris and lindley. So we do have a couple new members Denise and gene and daviddy is um We'll join us a bit is having technical difficulties. He'll join us eventually but So anyway, so your remote your discussion was to or Or not discussion but to approve uh award the bid to heber construction Correct. Yep. So there's there's two documents two separate documents. The first one is the bid analysis and recommendation for contract award to hebert Excavation corporation out of williams town for the contract price of 1,581,565 Um And and that's we went through a complete bid analysis as you mentioned therese Um And you can read through the the body just talks a little bit about where the total project cost comes in with the with the low bid With respect to the total bond amount um We contacted bonding banking and references for hebert uh and everything checked out Um, we have also spoken with roger bergeron from the state of vermont water investment division He's he has worked with hebert. He's actually currently working with hebert on a project in in montilier and he's worked with them on a couple others in the past and he he was um His his comments were concurrent with our findings from references Um for other projects that he's worked on So our recommendation is to award to hebert The other document that we have is a dbe analysis, which is the disadvantaged business enterprise analysis And that's a procurement requirement for utilizing the drinking water srf program And hebert did comply with the procurement Requirements for that process. So we are recommending that That process is complete So more than happy that to to answer any questions that anybody has if you want to Talk about numbers or hebert or dbe analysis feel free Okay so I was looking um At the last time we did the project with 2.8 and I was looking at one of the costs had been there was a charge I think it went under admin, but it was for um gmp that like $17,000. So I had asked you via email today. What was in construction administration? um And what was in special services? So I did want to Tell the board that special services also contain something that richard um and richard's here In the audience that we need to do for part of our dws rf is to have an updated Operators manual, and I think that was something that was on our drinking water That we wait until we try to finalize all the projects Exactly so that is you know part of the special services is the cost of of A&E You know updating our owners our owner operation manual. So just so people knew what that was and and so and Could you just talk a little bit about? What's in construction administration as well? first so construction admin Goes for extends for the duration of the project from pre construction meeting which Would occur here in the next couple weeks assuming that the board concurs with our recommendation to award to hebert So construction admin includes contract preparation Preconstruction meeting The middle review so the contractor has to submit submit submit stop drawing to us For review on the products that are going to they're intending to use for the project We have to review those projects and that's anything from pipe to Aggregates to pavement to silk fence anything that's going to be used on the projects They submit to us. We review and approve and return to them. So that's part of contract admin any change order review preparation documentation that comes about during the project pay requisitions We work closely with the contractor to track quantities part of that is is the representative services Tracking quantities as they go in On site but then we get that data in our office and we work with the contractor to prepare a contractor pay requisition for monthly payments Weekly site visits. We typically try to do weekly site visits with the contractor I'm sorry No, it's funny. That's fine. I just had to mute. Um One of the somebody just joined and they were talking to keep you're fine um Monthly monthly meetings and those are those are a standing monthly meeting With the contractor owner and state of vermont and ourselves Where we would review uh schedule updates Stop drawing status Pay requisitions change orders and any concerns of any of the parties at the meeting contractor coordination Substantial completion Walkthrough and certification and then final completion certification Walkthrough and certification as well. So there's just the gamut services there for Kind of does all right. Thank you So if you look at the fit analysis and hubert was the obviously closest to um annie did a Obviously a cost, you know construction summary and estimate and So hubert was a little bitter by a significant amount and um, so as jason has said he's gone through You know their bids and he's checked on the Banking insurance and all that stuff. So because recommendation is That's the one we need to go with Was anybody have any questions for jason? I have one uh in the uh Recommendations at the end of the letter Uh, you have referred to a resident representative Correct Is that who is that? That would be that's a gentleman from our office who's on site on a daily basis Okay, and that's that his name is bob moulton Uh terese both to reach to recent and richard have met him. He's been on site a few times to review um project and just get familiar with with You know valve locations those types of things but that's a that's a service That's something that's required by the state for all their projects that they fund They want a representative from the engineer on site and and bob is I'll call him a liaison and he works with Richard and he works closely with the contractor and he's watching the contractor Tracking quantities answering questions working with residents He'll be in advance of the contractor to make sure that residents are aware of what's forthcoming Etc. So he he's on site on a daily basis Thank you Anybody else have any questions? I have a question Okay Um, so in the last project, you know tim took a very active role In participating in the project day-to-day basis Is that something that richard is going to be involved in also? Well, there'll be somebody from the town You know kind of keeping an eye on the progress not keeping an eye but just being informed and mapping like tim did with all the uh uh different locations and everything as as the project progresses Well, that's one thing that that bob moulton will do is to keep track of all the tie-ins and all everything All the new lines and stuff that would be part of a and e's You know process and job description that we're hiring them for you know tim was Rest in peace unique and the fact that he kept track of everything and the downtown project was a big project That is not my expectation for richard to be to do exactly what you know tim did Richard will be in the loop with bob moulton and we'll obviously see him on a weekly basis if not more and But as far as richard being in the street and on the project as much that's not my expectation for richard But he has already met with bob twice at least twice and We'll be in the loop and obviously both richard and i will attend the meetings with uh jason Jamison and bob and the contractor. So this is also a better project in the sense that it's not right on main street and we obviously don't anticipate having the Surprises is that the right word that we had last time? so um So yeah, but certainly uh richard will be in the loop but um, but definitely you know doesn't necessarily on the street every day all day Well, i'm just thinking about mapping and tim took a lot of pictures and documentation and whatnot So 10 years from now Somebody else will know where things are and it'd be a lot more better documented than it was in the Years so bob our representative on site as part of his duties will be taking photographs on a on a very very regular basis of What's in the ground with reference to where it is above grade? swing ties For all the connections And that at the end of the project comes in the form of a record drawing that we prepare and provide to Both you and the state for their documentation as well. So Great. Thank you I think that I mean initially I had some concerns in regards to the bid analysis just kind of looking at the the difference between Um the low bid and second bid. I think obviously it probably came as a shock to everybody. Yep But um, but when I was kind of digging further into some of the bid tabs I guess I mean, there's lots of things that you know that are minor, you know, what I would say are minor Um, but some of the more major ones seem like in the the road work Pieces which was a category D which deals will like the Um, we'll call like paved trenches and driveway tie-ins and things like that that they were considerably lower than Not just the estimate, but everybody else and then And then the the bigger items that the lump sum, you know, uh crystal drive Pump station and Geico well and some of the holes. They were considerably lower as well um So I I guess just I mean I'm fine with going with the lower price. I just you know, some of those numbers were, you know flagged quickly on my radar. Yeah, agreed and and you know, we we um We don't necessarily have It documented here, but both janison and I have have um, we've had those conversations with hebert Hebert is has indicated that they Um Are comfortable with their bid. They don't have concerns about the numbers they've submitted and they're there They don't have any reservations or concerns that they were low They're not they're very confident in their in their number Um, so we have had those conversations. Um, they are the apparent low bidder I will note that two things um on on looking at the numbers when they first came in came in um Kingsbury construction who was the high bidder um We see them bid on projects quite often and they put high numbers in all the time So that's a kind of an outlier and I'm not overly surprised by that um and and kasella We had been we were actually doing a job with kasella in springfield And we've been talking with them frequently about other jobs including this one But they picked up a job just before this so i'm also not overly surprised about their relative competitiveness of their pride of their bid on this job. So All in all, I agree with you We had some of the similar concerns and we did express those concerns to hebert and have those conversations and He's comfortable with his bid and didn't have any issues. So um, I think we're at a point where we were comfortable with the recommended to proceed And then I guess the only other question I had was looking through it and I do a lot of work with engineers and It seemed like typically what I would see on a state job with, you know, the design processes 8 8 to 10 and then the field Processes, you know, usually similar 8 to 10 percent. So like 16 to 20 percent right now. We're, you know I know we didn't bid the work with you guys, but From what I calculate when I take out the construction Continuity and things like that is, you know, that we're like 24 percent to build through the engineer phases Um, which in my opinion seems a little high. Um I guess some of it makes sense if we have like the operators manual that's in there for special services, but Does that operative operators manuals at all 45 900 of special services or no, so special services includes the record drawings We have to do a project completion certification for the drinking water Permit to close out your permit That includes american iron and steel Documentation that includes certified certified payroll documentation for the contractor and then like you said the O&M manual so on those numbers for the SRF program What the way the SRF program structures engineering fees and it's a little bit different than you would see on on a V-trans project or a federal highway project where They have a state fee curve allowance And that's a it's basically a cap on what we as engineers working with the SRF program can build to a project So we have to prepare our engineering services agreements and our tasking And provide that to the state This case it would be cindy parks and roger bergeron for their review It has to fit within that state fee curve allowance And so everything prepared that you're referring to chris fits within that that fee curve allowance And has been reviewed and approved by the state The one caveat there like you noted is the O&M manual That's not something that would typically be included in this phase However, it's something that Is your survey your sanitary survey for the water system? It's a requirement that needs to be done And during the design process the design program and it had requested that we Do put that incorporate that effort so that it can be done for your system So that's not a typical fee that's incorporated in there and it does it does Bump that up a little bit Okay Also say that when you when we did our last project you were allocated certain light items In the just like you did this time, but you didn't build them all out So that's correct. So that's and that's a fair point. So the rpr which is the on-site representative That says not to exceed fee. So what that means is we only build what's used And that's where therese is referring to the last project. We didn't use all the rpr times So we didn't we didn't have to build that time to the town It's so the way that the rpr and the ca is based on contract duration rpr is is a not to exceed only because You know the contractor Or sorry the rpr may not necessarily have to be there for You know, we get towards the end of the project We still have contract admin that goes beyond because we've got to close out the project But the contractor is not on site. So the rpr doesn't need to be there So there there are potential savings there And and then I think my my final question was so on phase one after we went through the award phase And there was a pre-construction I believe correct me if i'm wrong paul All those here is I I believe at that point that there was a presentation back to the board on what the Schedule of the events would be is that something that you plan on doing again for us? Absolutely. Well, so once we schedule the pre-con And we'll get a schedule from hebert And and we can we can share that with therese and and richard We can come back to the select board and talk it through with the select board However, you want to go about that process we can be available Yeah, I mean, obviously therese needs to be in the know, but but we you know as the select board I know, you know, I feel that a lot of questions last time on why aren't they doing this or why are they doing that? And you know, we're able to say well They're working on the water tower because it's later in the season or you know, whatever They're done on this section for the year, but they're gonna be back for a while next year So yeah, yes, we can head off some of those questions. Okay. Absolutely My my other question was for you jameson You had sent me the letters With the date on a may 15th. So, um, do you want me to change those to the current date before I Give them back to you Yes, that would be good. Those were basically just a template. Um, yeah that you could add your signature and And modify the date to whatever Okay, I just wanted I just wanted to make sure you didn't need them that date for a specific reason So I didn't want to change something and then make extra work for you No, okay. Thank you Any further discussion from the board? Dave, did you have anything? I'm just hang on. Hang on. I'm talking. I can't hear you. Hang on I see if I can unmute him I can yeah, I just sent him a message There you go I think you're good Nope, no sound You can send me a message in the chat, Dave, if you have any questions Or you can call my phone Whatever's easier Might have clicked on without hitting the um Without audio but yeah your computer. Yeah, let's see. He looks like he might be typing Did you have a question paul? Are you just waving? Yeah, I'm waving too Are there anticipated schedule dates for starting the process or anything yet or is that too early in the process? Not yet Not yet No, we're waiting for Hebert's schedule and obviously this meeting to award so I don't know if Dave's he looks like he's typing I'm gonna see if he's He hasn't sent me a text message, so We'll give him a second Maybe here's one. Okay. I think he might have sent a message My computer will not let me join with audio. Okay, gotcha. All right So unless we have anything at the board We will just You don't need a motion from us, right? Yeah, yes, we need a motion to award to hebert um, whatever Yeah for um, hang on a section Sorry, I gotta find their full name hebert construction corporation so jason The bid plus the contingency or is uh, what's hebert the straight 1.5? 81 565 so the yes, so you would award with the motion would be to award To hebert excavating In the amount point of 1.581 565 Okay, and it says it's hebert construction corporation. Does that sound right? That's what it says on your summary On the bid analysis, I think it's hebert excavated Okay. All right. It's yeah, it's something different on the project. Okay I just want to get it right for the minute So all right, so you'll award just like it says in the letter hebert excavation corporation for the contract amount of 1.581 565 Yep, correct Windley and gene Second all in favor Okay Okay, thank you jason. Thank you jameson. We appreciate it and I'll get those letters signed tomorrow and scan to you jameson Perfect. Thank you. Take care. Thank you very much. Have a good night. You too Okay And we'll move forward to public comment So if there's anything it's not on the agenda that anybody would Like to discuss now is the time We'll go in person first ellie Um, yeah, thank you. Um On wednesday may 10. I got a phone call from the vice president of the vermouth community development association She asked me to come to the vermouth community development association spring conference in west west Windsor on thursday may 18 to be a panelist to talk about recreation for economic Economic vitality So I have to say that I was very honored. I went and represented Bethel and was on the panel And I spoke about all the wonderful improvements and and family related Events that we've been doing and happening at the recreation center Those being the new pool house the trails from the rec center to the school the ice skating rink The new new location of the playground and the skateboard park along with the family activities and workshops held there And I I felt very honored the other panelists were from the upper valley trails And a man from lindeville that had worked on an indoor ice rink And the director of planning and development in st. Alvin's that got them a swimming pool. So That's great. So it was very nice And honored to be representing Bethel and let people know all the wonderful Things um with your all help that we're doing Thank you for doing that. That's so nice. And what kind of feedback did you get from? From your presentation there from others of um, I I got wonderful feedback because I I got to personally meet jackie dagger that did the Four rack. Yeah, um, I got to personally meet beth Washburn from the land water conservation. She's the one I got to meet All these other people in the state that are working on the community development and stuff and they all came Up to me at lunch and just told me all kinds of Wonderful things and then also were there any like anything that came up in the discussion that maybe Triggered some ideas that maybe We could borrow from other communities that maybe they're doing that might fit nice with our recreational plan that we have now The trails things from the one of the panelists from the Um upper valley trail alliance um, and I think that that that Having that tie in with and and connection with him We could um do with him. I don't know how to do um The pool that's seen off instead. They spent five million dollars for it. You don't have that Oh Were you donating that? Let's do what's happening with the old pool Nice, so so I didn't I didn't get any takeaway from that. Um, and um, and and then there was another panel of people from the scutney that that um talked about how they um saved the bankrupt A scutney ski area. Oh, and how it went bankrupt in 2010 and how they Were to put that all community back together. So nice, but I think definitely um having the input from the The trail because we were still working on yeah Having that that feedback from that guy It's very helpful Nice Well, thanks for attending that Your big celebrity now They're gonna steal you now There he stands off Anything else in person and then I'll go online See anything else in person so all ahead of his Up first Hey, y'all. Good evening. Um, Owen here representing the equity inclusion committee I just wanted to remind everybody of our first inaugural book group group. Oh my goodness book group meeting um next week on Tuesday It's gonna be from 5 30 to 7 30 It will be at the town hall because we had we ran out of all 30 copies of our books And I just ordered 10 more copies that I picked up this afternoon So we have a lot of people coming and I hope to see some of you there Thank you Can you talk a little bit about what the format of that group meeting is going to be like? Yes, um, so we are going to have dinner So I think for the first half hour we'll just be eating Mumbling and then we'll do We're going to do it in kind of like a circle format not a circle process but just Let people go around introduce themselves and then there's a series of kind of just prepared questions like What is something that you learned from reading this? What are questions that you still have and then also? an opportunity for people to ask the group questions, um And that's pretty much it just hope to like spark conversation and for people to get to know one another through this through this medium and Since it's our first one will also really be asking for feedback from participants. Like is this the right format? We want more structure If it's feeling like a really big group like if we get 35 people We might split into two smaller groups just so that it's easier to have a conversation but That's the format Awesome. Thanks All right anybody else online Can either raise your hand or unmute now if you want except for Dave because he can't unmute himself He's not All right, we'll move on So first agenda item is the water and sewer budget annual discussion and adoption So I'm not sure if So Richard Manning is our chief water sewer operator. I'm not sure if he's met everybody So Denise, I'm not sure if you've ever met Richard Okay, my name is Linda Lee, you know Chris, you know, and this is gene cross not sure if you know gene So just want to make sure you knew everybody So obviously um Richard took over The department after tim's passing and he has done a tremendously wonderful job and we met to talk about the The budget so obviously we put a draft budget in the town report And then we've done some tweaking since um, I had already told you that when Richard and I met in I don't know when we met with the lisa was it lisa from the state For the sewer michelle michelle. I always want to call lisa michelle I told you when I came back that there was some epa Things that the state was being saying to us. Well, you know the epa basically told them that if they didn't start enforcing Um the epa was going to issue licenses. So Yeah, so and we so which nobody wants and we Ended up having some expenses there. I think I talked to you guys a little bit about that that there'd be some additional testing and some um Yeah, more equipment and things like that. So obviously that's reflective in the sewer budget um The other thing that we talk about is normally We try to set rates at this time, but we did not have we sent out an annual water sewer survey to the businesses and to try to figure out, you know, to make sure we have the same amount of eues main apartments are businesses, you know, the same amount of employees things like that like the school fluctuates um sometimes Nolato fluctuates so it depends on some of the businesses because the eues are based on employees units usage, etc So that so I don't have the rates. I was working on it before I came and I'm like this close But I don't have the actual rates, but we do have the budgets So per the ordinance, you need to approve the budget and we'll approve the rates Based on this budget if you approve the budget In two weeks when you need again, so I do think that despite the water budget being um Level funded that the rate still may increase a little bit because we've lost a couple of eues So I do think that we're going to see See that a little bit of an increase there So on the proposed water budget piece The the only two things that kind of stuck out to me. Maybe some clarity So the first piece was Under building maintenance. There's the boulevard transfer switch generator. So Richard can talk to you about that State would like us to do is have Back up the emergency power that we endure a long term notice when we still pump water The storage tanks flow deep residents with water And that's something we don't have currently I know the state's requirement. We may have to do it Sooner than later, but I'm just wondering if that would fall into the grant that every nine powers apply for on behalf of definitely if I Well, I think this is more than that Richard. This was building maintenance was 41,000 So I think that was for the generator and the transfer switch of that cost Yeah, exactly So, yeah, so I don't think it will be anything that they'd be able to help us with with Knowing that they were kind of looking at creating those kind of rural grids for resiliency if it could be something Right, so they don't have that grant. So it's not a done deal and we may have to sort of adhere to the states Yeah, sooner than later, but we can certainly, you know, talk to her about it and see so And I guess so kind of going with that was not saying that we Don't need to do it or not do it just was curious and then, you know, would that be an item? you know, if we wanted to Lesson the blow of things is that an item that could potentially be purchased out of the Of our fund Capital Capital improvement fund possibly or we have some monies that are left over from the Right, you know from the our 600,000 right which you put into the roads. So um, but it's a general fund Right and we did already pay for just trying to think like because you're saying that even though it's level funded It's cool up because there's some of you differences So, but is there an opportunity to lessen the blow a little bit for one year And if it goes up, it's not going to be obviously much because it's a no increase I can look into I can look and see what is in the Was in the past we budgeted money, but when you so we put 15 in the reserve fund right and but when we don't If the but if the budget doesn't it was overspent then you don't always transfer that over So I'll need to take a look and see how much is in there, but there may be some either there or in your um Lord, that's the word I want on designated fund balance. So the first part was, you know Is it something that the water reserve fund could absorb? If not the second part of me was thinking, you know, the art of money that we just Moved around it's again still in the general fund so we can right well. No, it's not already moved into the capital funds But we can do it. I remember that one of the definitions of the capital fund is water and sewer. So, right So, I mean just thinking We need to be able to look I didn't look at how much money is in the capital fund That would be something ultimately if we decided that would be select board approval to yep Designate funds. Yes, absolutely. And then and then the um, just just wanted some knowledge on the The debt principle So went from 68 we budgeted last year down to 28. So did we have a loan that had We uh, yes, we had a loan that paid off. Yeah, okay. Yep, we did We did and plus to the dws rf loan from the first project we put in separately. So yes, but we did we paid off a water bond Okay, all right Did you have much luck with the delinquent 24 hour notice people? We had amazing luck with that. We started with 20 Yeah, and we didn't shut off anybody and I the final holdout. I got a signed payment I got an agreement via email. So we'll have a signed payment arrangement tomorrow So yes, we have actually had someone come and make another payment today and so yeah, it worked and we'll do it again in 60 70 days whatever so people will that way if they've made a payment arrangement have not heard Have not adhered to it then They're back up again. So um, but no it really worked and Richard started, you know We were trying to look for some shutoffs. We weren't quite sure where they were and things like that, but Yeah, so but Never fear if you're on the shutoff list, we'll dig it up and put in a new shutoff. So it's you know We will find a way. So don't let that deter you from paying their bill But um, did anybody else have any questions on uh, I will say I wanted to mention here just the overtime Um, you have to remember Tim was on salary. So we kind of were I was shooting a little blind last year plus I did increase overtime because of the phase two water project for extra time that Richard, you know May need to be on site or if there's a break that he needs to help with shutoffs hanging shutoff notices, etc That still falls to us. So just so you know, we did um throw a little money in there just to I don't want any big surprises. So It's Any else have any questions on the water budget? In the same way we asked for the bond the finance the water project out of the consumers money as a person who does not have town water I would And I'm not opposed to having town water. I just think that that becomes an obligation of People who are using the service Not our money or Oh, okay. In my opinion in your opinion. Okay. Do we know Does anyone have any questions on the sewer budget This one obviously is up 2.86 percent over last year. We have In here obviously added some overtime as I just said Tim was on salary. So we had to make a new line item We had an estimate to get a door or a double door at the plant or players. So we have an estimate on the door of of, you know 4100 and then another and then there's installation We also Richard is getting some pricing. I had to note in here on Clarifiers a composite sampler, which is we had in here for a price of like 6500 we had Why we have a drive shaft we need welded that's about $5,000 some clarification Our calibration excuse me have equipment So as you can see this is definitely reflecting some of the changes Our testing is up we need 1750 per year for wet testing plus increased E. Coli testing, but what is wet the wet test Let's Affluent talks this new test I think Tim only had to do it like once every three to five years before but now we have to do it annually. Yeah This year it'll be like summer early fall next year. It'll fall into The January February type thing and it keeps a rotation And the E. Coli testing is different now. Yeah, we normally do that twice a month now in the summer months from May to September. We've got to do weekly So and we're also obviously the plant is 35 years old. So there's some maintenance to be done Richard is you know a lot of our equipment is older and he's done a good job finding someone who maybe can fabricate some gear For us and trying to get some work done with you know either Wyatt or some other welder and so there's just some He's gone about and talked to you know people manufacturers of equipment because some of this equipment is at it's the end of its useful life and that is exactly the way it's written At some point in Bethel they had done a wastewater you know long range plan and so the useful lives you know are right up there so Richard is working on you know doing that so Just for clarification the the sort of increased testing cycle is that the is that sort of universal EPA mandates or is that because of our aging system is that unique to watch this I think the EPA coming down to the state requiring more Frequent testing so they have more data And some of the stuff that you know it's it's not cheap so we had think I told you there was a grant they had mentioned some Equipment and then there was a grant but by the time we had our meeting and we were told that we could apply for grant the grant period it ended and they were like why didn't you apply I'm like Because we didn't know we would need one you know we try not to why would we take equipment from somebody that we didn't you know we didn't know we needed at the time so Purchase one of the composite samplers because I do have a lead on a free be one that we can yeah long term yeah Yeah, and I think I had the same round the first part was that $18,000 worth of pieces that we need to fix or get yep is that something again that we can either take out of the Reserve fund that we have or something that we could one time purchase with the money's that we had Well we may be able to take that out of the reserve fund but one of the thoughts there isn't is That because the system is aging that you know you may want to that money That money may be better served since you're only at a 2.68% whereas if you had one of the bigger things that at the end of its life fail it's going to be a bigger cost yes we could apply for You know instead of SRF funding for there is our DWS RF there is SRF funding so it depends but we could certainly look at that option The sludge that's left over after everything I'm assuming Where does that go? We all have to move to your wastewater facility they further process it up there And so that used to be on the land apply up until 8, 7, 8 years ago I think and the state took back over the field where that was done so since then it's been hauled 2 month delivers And so I'm just curious if that's If the methane is being farmed from that I'm not sure about how monthly response was about doing it I don't know If there's a methane production place someplace in the state I'm wondering if they would buy it Rather than not having to pay for having it all the way That's a That's one of the climate things that's Yeah I'm not sure what there is for wastewater I don't know there's a farm up in like Enosburg or something I think they have a Methane digester for there but it already used to power the farm I don't know if there's anything else available like that in the state I The other question I had in regards to that was On the what's good thing Jean said it on the sludge disposal we budget $25,000 a year at least The last four years can't see beyond that it seems like we're always about half of what we budget Yeah, because typically Tim and I were spent on schedule and we're able to do it So I guess my question would be we budget 25 and we only going to use 12 or 14 Could we could we budget Could we budget 15 there and then use 10 of it towards buying down the maintenance equipment which would buy down to rate some Well, I can tell you that Tim's theory because I Remember whatever the last budget we did together that had been my suggestion was can we cut this down he's like listen He works are really hard and so does Richard to keep the affluent a certain way, but if It's all a matter of when it turns over if all of a sudden you get any other Victorious over there, but yeah, like like this summer I'm working with why it's welding to him scheduled to come And do some work with the clarifiers so in order to do that. I'm gonna have to pump the sludge it's out of there Into the digester and I'm gonna need a little bit of a buck or so a little extra money Have it hauled out a little more frequently this year because of that Yeah, and and because if they're like I can't remember what it was called like philomenis I don't know. I just call it Phil Tim Phil Tim How is you one year and he hadn't seen that in the plant for a while so much so that he had to buy a product that he hadn't bought in years And all of a sudden it was just and he was really working hard to get the sludge You know back into a into where our parameters need to be so sometimes there's Bacterial organisms that are dumped into the system. We don't know. Yeah and That can cause it to go so for Tim it was the same thing. He was always like listen You know if I don't use the money then sometimes he would buy equipment or do other repairs kind of what Chris is saying But he did you know like having that buffer in there because he's like look I am work really hard to keep this number but Well, again, I think that was kind of looking at exactly how was like kind of like the salt versus the gravel right? Right exactly come out a winner using a lot of salt that we don't put as much gravel down right or exactly Well, I didn't know if in this case, you know If things are going well and you're not going to spend your right sludge budget Does that give you the opportunity to do those? You know pick off two or three of those things inside that yeah And it may and then what would happen is just yeah right at the end of the year we would You know sometimes as we go further into the year with the fiscal year the budget year You can kind of tell what's going to be left on the table for money and and go that way Does that accumulate year after year well for a long time it didn't So what happened is because the general fund was keeping sewer and water afloat So for a long time there was no money being put into the reserve fund because the rate your rates weren't high enough to Actually cover your the use and we have we have bridged that gap now so that the rates actually work but And I have to look and see either what's in your undesignated fund balance I didn't bring a copy of the audit so I apologize and See what's in for transfer because when you owe the general for money You don't have any money to put in a reserve fund because we were off And I'm asking because it's the equipment is all Nearing the end of it. Yes, exactly Are we Putting enough aside It's hard to know but Yeah, it's hard to know and we also it with water we've been lucky that we've been able to take care of some of the bigger Repairs as part of the bonds and sewer we may end up looking at you know depending on Over the next year or two there may be some equipment that we need to deal with we're lucky We just got all the pumps done in that massive generator You know to the tune of 30 it's a month thousand that we got to ARPA money and we all the new pumps which we desperately needed so But you know it's hard to know so So Sewers increasing yes at this point the budget's increasing 2.68% So is it safe to say on here where it shows make it up Mm-hmm, you know five thousand dollars was budgeted for the reserve fund but zero was put in there that we have not been putting anything in those I didn't it does and I can't I'd absolutely just not on your spread may just not be on my spreadsheet I have to go back because if that is a trend that's kind of alarming because there's yeah Pretty much all four years that we budgeted nothing has gone in unless that's just a spreadsheet issue And usually water and sewer if I match the audit then a lot of times they're certain like you'll see depreciation But you don't see the expense so sometimes I'm matching my number is is I guess one thing I'd like to know yes We're making the next time is is that in its own little fun? Yes, or is it sitting in a designated fund that needs to be moved right so some of it is Like sewer and water have their own they do have their own funds that we do transfer into But there may be money in undeserving fund bouts I just can't remember off top of my head right now what they say, but I know as of You know four years ago you owe the general fund quite a bit of money and hence when we started budgeting due to the general fund Basically what we were doing was saying okay We're gonna collect enough rates to try to keep get the general fund or the sewer water out of the hole I guess I need to move the tables again Denise. Sorry about that. Yes. Well shift you this way That's right. So if you want to make it easier You know we could table this discussion for two weeks So I can go back and double check on a couple numbers and then I'll have the EU so at least we've had the discussion in May Yes, that's what I'm saying. Whereas if we wait and table it for two weeks, we'll be able to set the rate since by then I will have met with Kevin Barry to see what his change is and hopefully have confirmation on one of the numbers from the Lotto so because Every EU makes a difference so so I yeah if you could yeah, absolutely Let's know what the reserve funds balances look like Or Fund that we have to move and then to On those two items that we had talked about some purchase stuff is their opportunities are there other options other than just put it in the budget Sure That might make sense Anything else that we had well just on that last point. I think this gene Made a really apt comment that you know we do try to keep The funds that we use to the users of Of the system I think that the one variance that I would see kind of to what Chris's idea was of maybe pulling in some ARPA funds as if if we could find out from green mountain power if something like a generator Some sort of microgrid system could be part of their grant I could see an argument for using ARPA funds to purchase a generator that ultimately would be sort of Available to the columns use for an emergency situation or for whatever comes up that then that's that sort of shared equipment as opposed to User-specific is that affordable going to be a portable generator? Okay All right, so I can ask GMP Ask was my name Tasha Yeah, it's a good question. Yeah, I just I think your point is valid, but I felt as he sort of a nice little middle ground in there I don't want to be against it could be beneficial for everyone Yeah, so I can ask her If what she know if they get the 19 million, you know, that's if I'm not sure we'll know in two weeks But it's something we could ask about she said it was like guaranteed well They were really hoping for it. They said it was pretty much slammed down like the Celtics moving on and But they they also said if I understand correctly that they were looking at school as a must-have power all the time And that they were building some they were providing some sort of a redundancy for the school And whether or not that there's a potential tie in Again with that Yeah, yeah, they do they have a generator that we purchased here. I don't know Less than 10 years ago. Yeah, that's Irene that we purchased that Sorry And then Dave Eddie made a comment in the chat that said I think that what is needed and methane digester is not In just sludge he said but he may be wrong, but he's he's thinking that maybe you all know more about Yes, I don't know so Sewage is one of the things that produces methane. That's right. That's some poker harvest All right, so if we can just at this point we're good with just tabling Water and sewer budget. Yeah discussion for next makes up and I'll look and see what's in the reserve funds and figure out what's what and then Also email Tasha and CCU at GMP to see what is part of that 19 mil and then I'll just send you an email Anyway, all right now you get to Be seen and meet everybody. Thank you for coming. I appreciate that Richard And so I'll get the letter sign for any so I'm sure you'll be hearing from Bob and once we hear the schedule and we'll have our start setting up our monthly meeting date so All right, all righty Yeah, we have You can sneak out you don't have to stay any life. You don't You've had a long day You can stay That's right. Yeah Well, no we tabled it. Yeah, gotta be good for a whole nother two weeks. Yeah Yeah, he's gotta be good Wreck committee requests for coin drop or August 12th 8 to noon Any discussion or a motion to approve that It's nice to have This one I got Everything would be in order. I move it Okay, all in favor. All right I thought the historical society did a good job, but there's it was well placed and Yeah, I wanted Warren Yeah, I happened to come through Bethel that day. I forgot they were doing was like, oh, yeah, that's right Yeah, they did a good job laying it out. Yeah. Yeah, they did All right, so that is And then as we had started our discussion last time into Goals or town manager and or select board Oh, he's Dave. He's just um So what we had talked about doing for this year for the town manager rather than maybe have a Specific goal that we want her to do that. Maybe we would have we talk about some areas That I'll make it up. So we decided like maybe community relations and then that would allow her the opportunity to pick a goal that fits Community, you know a smart goal that would be That would cover that So I guess what we would talk about is kind of kind of a parameter of maybe two to three Topics that we can fit there and then an interest would go back and find two or three goals that would that she feels would fit that That would be a smart goal. So so I talked to Lindley and so I did look and last year we did do the review and it was signed in June of 22 so You and I did Chris after the select board met and Lindley had a recollection that we had this discussion like last year And about going to the annual evaluation process, which is what we did last year So I was like I could and I did pull it out and look at our signatures to see when we signed it My recollection on it was that It was really what Teresa's argument was I think you even said this last meeting was To align it with all of the employee like to just kind of make it one fell swoop of She's doing all the employee ones and we're doing hers sort of in a simultaneous motion and fits with the with the change in budget year All of that so I think I think it sounds like from your paperwork that we actually did that last year and so then we're just sticking with our new plan Yeah, and we did the and the goals that we did last time were basically my we're smart goals that I chose but I am fine I like the idea and totally open the idea of if you having setting some things you might like to see and then me picking my smart goals from within That's always nice to have some information. That's fine. I'm all good with that too. I was like David messaged me back so So yeah, so I'm just curious what you know Denise asked me. She's like, what do you what about your goals? I'm like We talked about it a week ago. I'm like I got nothing. I was kind of just too many things going on at the time but so I'm not I'll be interested to see what you guys came up with Nothing Well I was just kind of thinking out of the panel like I do this every year at my work. So yeah and that's kind of how they do it is they They put it out there You know, obviously all all the goals aligned from top down, right? Oh, that's a great idea. So some things I've kind of just looked at was like one one would be like an employee development piece so So you could choose a goal that or somebody to work on to develop their skills Richard It could be somebody, you know, somebody new coming on somebody that maybe needs some help on developing certain Any positions So that was again doesn't have to be but that was one thing I thought about the other thing was a community community relation thing I think ever since I've been on the board It's always been that yeah a little bit of a disconnect between sure the town and and and the businesses. So yep Maybe something on that and then the other thing I had was Continuing I think one would be good is for you to pick what you feel That you need to take a course or train on you know that better than us like I know last year the year before you did Did something in regards to roadway pieces because you said that you lacked on the public works piece of it So those were just kind of the tidbits that I had both I like the idea of aligning the goals in the top down. So that's really interesting. So if you talk about select board goals I think that's a great. I've never thought about it that way Chris. I really like if that's what your company works. I like that That's a really good thought process. I mean for us to do that So I think that's good because it could help me if the select board had goals I set goals and then when I do the employees They all have to set smart goals. So wouldn't it be nice if what Chris is saying is I mean that Talk about both topics at the same time but then on the select board and the things for the most part had the same thing like For us as a select board I think the employee development piece it becomes a difficult one because we don't have employees But the community relations piece would be like for each one of us to pick. I know we usually go to Activities anyways, but it could be you know, we could agree upon doing X amount a year like it might be Tending a community You know the Ford festival it could be or attending something that's going on it could be sitting in on some committees, you know, just something that we are visible You could pick and I'd suggest as poor you could pick a committee each one of you so you become a liaison between that committee and the select board Sometimes people do that. I mean our towns do that So I had that one to kind of line that and then and then I think the same thing I think we all like some of us been on the board longer than others. There's there was various different I don't want to say trainings, but there are various different seminars and things that we could do Or it could be as you know sit in on the board and then I think we all Could do Or it could be as you know sit in on a two rivers, you know, there's there's those pieces that we we could do to you know better train ourselves develop our skills as a board. You could also have if you had you want a speaker somebody to come in and talk about a specific topic during a select board meeting you could do that to So those were some yes. We iterate and that's a great idea because Bill Hall attended our recreation committee and Carl Russell attended our marketing committee and the past so so we welcome these welcome select people to So I think that's a great idea. So those are kind of the ones I was looking at and I was trying to figure out how we The board could align our stuff with trees that trees that could align her stuff with with her employees and kind of have yeah similar very similar style of bulls I guess and then it allows each person to Kind of choose their how they feel their smart bull fits inside that goal but Yeah, I mean you know that could be anything I mean that could be you know you know and then it gives people you know if you want to Same with us if we want to do trainings and you know maybe you know Jean's passionate about energy and climate maybe he attends a piece on that or Yeah, you know or you know Denise is new so maybe she sits in on Did you end up going to the select board? So there's there's different regional trainings with the select board. There's probably a bunch online now Person when I did mine, but yeah, and you got all those Yeah, those things that were sent in and there's always the annual killing 10. Yeah, that's what there's always the annual one that Yeah, so there's a bunch of different Fair in October. Yeah, and Paul said In here he would suggest more interaction with neighboring select boards and in turn more neighboring town managers If he's saying that in reference to me I do attend quarterly by manager luncheons. They have a monthly which I don't do and select boards I actually do speak to a couple select board members in neighboring towns but But it also could be other select board members talking to other local select boards neighboring select as well so I think again that because that could be something that Community relations or something that you know reaching out to neighboring select boards I mean, it's always nice to kind of know what everybody wants to go to a meeting or you know see their minutes and just see what's what they're up to Yeah, that's interesting One of the things that Chris was saying was I would I would maybe even Broaden community relations to beyond just our immediate community, you know I'll use Gina as an example you went to the housing the sort of regional housing Conversation that's been going on and sort of using that as Topics that are important and sort of impacting a lot of people in our region Not just our town to sort of widen that scope outside of Bethel to then see what are what are other Towns and areas doing and then kind of be able to bring that back and report back to our board as to like hey I went to this you know housing seminar Clearly and this is what they were talking about so yeah, and that was interesting to the meeting was That Nicole's been working on with Iraq I mean that's happening in a week or so. Yeah, so it would be good to Know that kind of enter Intercommunity communication and conversation Related to my hobby was a possible Smart almost a smart goal that we might want to think about For the blackboard for almost like board and probably With involvement of the time and yeah is Having a clearer Energy Slash climate plan that we can you know work See what we can do to work for The town response to that Especially with the case happening any energy Yeah, I don't want to get off topic but because I'm going to forget this later, so okay On the energy committee meeting minutes There was did you see that Jane they had 558 we have an energy burden of 11% you know what they meant by that Because all of a sudden it just came out of like like enter the energy burden is So is that like the carbon footprint or no no It's a How much is a family or a household burden By energy costs so that's cost it's primarily cost of energy but it's more a household or So what their overall budget yeah, so you got an 11 hours and you're spending 35 for energy Okay, how does that I was wondering that was read today Yeah, so that's that's what the energy broken So is that including like electric heat? Are you Okay, because I was one that was like for an application yeah 11% Yeah, it was right here. I we have an energy burden of 11% okay, that was wonderful. I didn't know what that meant That's a measure for the community, but it but that it's based on income versus of the residents versus The energy being consumed, okay, it's to the broader population Nationally or even statewide like what what would an average energy burden be I that I don't know But some our conversations with being mountain when they were here One of the reasons we were chosen For the project was because we are a highly high energy energy burden So presumably that's I didn't want to I didn't want to get the you know come off the tracks here, but I was I knew I was going to fit Well, it really hasn't come off the track. I mean that's part of the Harder that would be part of the information that I could go into But I meant for an energy plan for the town not just the town buildings, but for the The town as a whole Um, Dave Eddie is asking Jean what night is the is the fall the meeting with the Is it the same night as the equity inclusion book club? Yes It is okay. Yes. I don't know if it's the same time of day. I have to check that okay Dave. Did you get that? Thumbs up Dave. Okay, perfect. All right. Yeah Sign language All right, perfect. So it's time. I couldn't remember with Dave with David asked in the chat and I just couldn't remember something So do we so so back to kind of what Lindy was talking about so to line these we're we're still going to go with The last meeting in June our first meeting in July that we do your yeah Probably the last and all I'll get you And then late July we would do the the goals for the board and for you. Sure. Is that what we're talking about? Okay, so we have the meeting I miss every year I will you got a little bit. Yeah, we don't have to decide on these this evening. No No, it was just a discussion for people that kind of see where to work each other word thinking and I will Give you my self-evaluation Hopefully in the next packet and then you guys will look at it. You can meet an executive session and then usually I Remember, I think we met an executive session after you did it. I just remember I'm gonna be not around the last meeting of June. That's right. Okay. All right So we'll work on it. Okay Okay The I my calendar says that the I rec meeting is a 230 to 4 on the 30th in the town hall thumbs up Thank you You'll have us. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's why June 12. Yeah of that and then we can have an executive session June 12 Yeah, go through just the board. Yeah, okay That makes sense So I mean you guys can do the goals on the 26th. I just won't be here. Yeah, I think yeah, and we can push them. I think Yes, that makes sense because I think the employees have to have their's into me theirself by which May so this Any further discussion on those two items You have anything further Dave on either one of those items are you good? He's good. Okay All right, what have we got left on the town managers report? So Chris and I met with Our attorney David Rue and Brian Wright his daughter Emily and their attorney Mike Tarant and we're just waiting for some documentation to go with our attorney and So we'll actually we may have something to discuss at the next meeting or in the next couple of meetings So but at this point we don't really have anything further to report just and then what did we want to do as a board in regards to because the original goal for the board was to go and look at Right Road and the upper Gilead piece. So and we have we still want to move forward to having a board meeting in June I think Dave was on site to look at that or not or wait for what Dave Rue said I think he kind of said yeah No, he did say his goal was to say was hopefully we could do an onsite meeting in June. Yeah with a final decision You know, I think the decision maybe would be by September was what he said But we also have other roads that we need to look at but I think we'll just do them out at one at a time Yeah, he thought that we just do yeah, because it's a process But we had already planned on Yeah, you can always do Gilead upper Gilead for sure. We don't have to do the same night is right Unless advised by an attorney not to I don't know why we go still need to at least have the information of a site this Provided we will and it's it's statutory. It's laid out very strictly. You have to go there We have to meet we have to turn you have to be there. There's a whole process Yeah, butters have to be notified etc. So yeah, we do have to do we certainly need to look at the upper piece And Gilead and whether or not we do right road at the same time In order to have our site visit correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to have our site visit up there Doesn't the slack forward have to at least Give the option of what we're thinking about I'll make it a friend. Yeah, no, you're right If we are thinking about as a board to Declassify the road then don't we have to make that public before the Meeting so we can't just go up and have a meeting like we have to say You know, we're looking we are looking at yeah, I'm grading this from a class three to a class four Yeah, trailer whatever exactly. Yeah, but I'll do is I'll put it on the June 12th agenda by then maybe we have heard back So June 12th agenda would be for us to just discuss it and formally discuss it Yeah, and propose what we would like to do and then we'd have to have another meeting Yeah to go and look at it. Yes Also just to acknowledge a potential conflict if Chris is away the last week in June I'm away the last two weeks in June. Okay Um, and so that might mean we push to the early early july or if we're able to squeeze it in And we okay last week and the only thing I got thinking is you may have to Anyone extra meetings, but You know that may be something if we're going to book their meeting For an hour or whatever up on upper gillie that might be it's on the meeting. It's sure if not, we're not going to get Have any board? No activity that no that That's true. No, I don't have a specialty meeting that we meet on a You know a separate Monday or Or another day Yep, absolutely. So we'll look at that. Hopefully like I said, hopefully by then you've heard some things from our company so we have Talk about that a little bit and then but yeah, I think it makes sense because of their proximity And the same Landowner of butters to do both upper gillie it and right road at the same time just because the property owners are almost identical. There's a, you know You can slide down to me. Yeah, feel free. Move closer. Slide over this one. There you go And then I know you have on there, but was there any update on the christian hill traffic? Okay, so I did Verified the rules changing the speed limit and It hasn't changed. It's the same. So if you do the speed study and it's high We can't adjust down also I did put in a copy of the traffic ordinance because it was different I thought for sure it was 35 everywhere as and morgan I were kind of thinking that until I read the traffic ordinance I did talk to oscar about it He said that he was doing early mornings and justin would be doing later and that they would Definitely do targeted patrols on christian hill. He also had been in touch with mr. Garrow Unfortunately, both of the constables are on vacation this week. So Oscars gone for the full week and justin's gone Wednesday to wednesday But they did say that they agreed to do targeted patrols up there understood certainly the issue Um And then again, we were talking about before the meeting, but if I read it correctly The first 1.1 miles from 107, which is The normal paved section. Yeah slightly up from the intersection. I'm sure starting to walk the hill. Yeah That's 35, but then it changes to 25 for the rest of the yeah So I think dave eddie sent me an email today and I apologize dave. I didn't hit a chance to get back to you The second that we were talking about is is 25 not 35, right exactly and then that got me thinking do we have the correct signage up there for We do. Yep, we do and we just need to put up another one. So, um I think that we did have the right signage. So Well, I mean, you know, it's like with these dirt roads like I mean how many times Yes, dave, you actually drive the puppy living on a dirt road like I mean I mean think of the Washboards and the mud and the the snow. I mean how often can you actually? I mean you look on a dirt road. You're like, okay. I'm doing 25. I mean, how many people are doing 35 or 40? And if so, how do you stay on those? exactly so, um And so I did because I had talked to read as I said to talk to her about, you know, what's the like 35 on water I don't know how you even do that. I know it's crazy. You gotta be like a drift car or something Be really good in this thing. Yeah so um anyways, and then lindley did give us the radar that she has that she had so we're gonna charge that and um So anyways, and I did give a copy of the ordinance to morgan so that he could see it and um So but dave is saying the measurement of the distance i.e. 1.1 miles does not match the description Yeah, I don't know dave. I didn't obviously this I didn't do this ordinance Um, and it's funny too dave because it says um Well the 1.1 miles does not go to the intersection. I think is what he means, right? It's saying 35 miles an hour extending northerly 1.1 miles to the intersection of town highway 25 which is sanders. Okay, and because we're paving that or you're right in that section now It's 0.9 miles. Yeah, and here it's saying it's 1.1 miles and then 1.1 you'd be halfway up the Yeah, and then from there it goes to 25 miles an hour So I I don't know where they got the 1.1 miles. Um, and he's yeah, dave's right It's 0.8 miles and and which he knows because we're paving that now. So It makes sense if you want some pain to dirt, but I don't yeah I guess obviously this is something that we need to take a look at this ordinance and um, but unless Probably something that has been looked at and Let me see. I think I gave you a signage page on there 88 Yeah, back to august 13th 1988. Yeah, so we need and I think that might be time maybe to go through And gene also go through it and see if there's any revisions in there Yeah, so we can't necessarily change we can't change the miles per hour But we could certainly But we could be accurate in it So we can't change it. We could do speed studies if we want to on certain roads if we had questions Yep, absolutely and and um rivers will do those and don't we get we get a couple of freebies a year, right? I think so. Yeah, she's never charged us for one yet. So But yes, but it's still that weird um You know state statute that if everybody is speeding then it's going to tell us we can raise the speed limit But we cannot lower it. So it's a You know, we've been fighting this battle for A decade and I don't know why the state hasn't changed it to make it more logical Doesn't have to No, not when he's going home. He should he would think yeah. Yeah, yeah Somebody should talk to him before he starts pulling people over. I will speak to him Yes, because I think it's always nice to uh, you should set an example set an example Yeah, definitely. I was behind him when he was going home one day He won't believe how fast he could use citizens arrest religion. Did he have his lights on? No, he's going home. Ah All right I'll make it. It's a valuation time. So this It doesn't bother me none because Yeah, it's just you know, sometimes you've got to give somebody a break or say going 10 miles over the speed limit, right? Don't mention my name. Were you were you Joe said? What was that? I said were you keeping up with him? I said Well, I can't tell who's your fish is wrong Yeah, for you now All right. No, it's actually a valuation season. So it's actually uh, good time for that. Thank you All right So, thank you. There we had select board meeting minutes from the 15th Denise has a correction. All right. And do you want to say I usually write down who Moves the uh motion and I had written down on my notes for the pool that I moved the motion and Dave eddy did second it and somewhere in that conversation chris Put on there to make sure that it does not exceed the 35 000. Yeah, that's right. He did amend that Or a suggestion. Yeah, right So I moved the motion and gave eddy seconded it. All right. I don't know fix that. Did you have something else? Are you asking me or Denise? No, I'm good. Okay. Go ahead. Lindley. Sorry. Um What's his name Jordan? Don't do it. Jordan Garrow wasn't in the list of visitors He what uh, oh, he's not listed. Um, and then Down The end of page two It's written as Karen biller, but it's Karen Bixler. Oh, and it's a couple of her names written a couple times Is it wrong both times? Uh, yes. Oh, yeah I see it people seem ready. It needs to be legible And you know, oh, she wasn't a visitor. Okay. That's oh good. Thank you. I'll fix that I probably read it. I mean, I know it was Bixler. I just read it and didn't think anything about it And then under the Jordan Under Jordan's um paragraph. The yeah has the 32 speed limit. Oh, okay. So I'm assuming it was 35, but now now we go up 25 That's right there. So perfect. All right. Thank you evil I don't make those changes I know everybody without Paul. I'll be proud today. Yeah, Paul He's giving you the thumbs up All right, he's like somebody's reading him I moved the action of the minutes as corrected and authorized the time manager to make any other editorial connections That may be necessary Yeah, I'll move to To adopt them as cemented. All right. Thank you. Okay, and then we second it all in favor All right right Other communications there were Oh, that's right. There was I gave you the information. I forgot about the often asked questions about speed limits So I did give you Give you that And as we talked about a little bit before that the energy committee had there I had that question that's been answered. Thank you, Richard. Um There's really no information here, but the meetings tomorrow Is great It was like how it's supposed to no information, but it's just the agenda. Yeah Yeah, I saw that as well I didn't see anything else. So that's it anything else come before the board Well, let's just say that I did last week from last two weeks ago I will meet with the energy committee in their junior meeting Uh That's your training or see what they're thinking Okay, and I know there may be an interest in that meeting with So Yeah, just have let me know when I can make it I think it's like, well, thanks. Thank you. Take care. All right 200 Okay, all right