 What's up everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Atlas. Today, we are going to be featuring Corey Shake. What's up, brother? What's up? I love how you say it. It's nice. I'm so used to sheet and like, you know, in white people, Canadian town, but yeah, it's nice. Yep. Got to get that Middle Eastern root. Shake. Yeah. Yeah, bro. Super excited for this. I'm also really grateful for Nargis for introducing us, making it happen. Although we were aware of each other. She really like bumped it to make it happen, which was great. Put us in a thread. Got us. Yeah. Yeah. It's the, the web is connecting really strongly now. More than ever before this past year, I've noticed, you know, like people who've been kind of in the scene for a while now it's like the webs are just like really coming together. It reminds me of that like idea of, you know, you're only like one person apart or two people apart or something like that. I don't know the quote, but like everybody's connected. You're seven links away from anyone on the planet. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm seeing that so much now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this also rack Rizam who is also on our show. About six months ago or so for maybe the. Third or fourth episode together. I love his vibe. He called it the Samadhi mesh network coming online. I just, I love that, or he's also called it. Galactivation. And I just, I love all of the ways to describe it. And it can even be simplified to like, if you like NFTs, and you want to find other people that like NFTs, it's so easy for you to just join like discord channels and watch YouTube videos and find people on Twitter. But all the way to awakening and waking up and the people that are waking up finding each other. And I think another good one from Rex energy is a find the others. There are no others. Nice. T shirt. That's a T shirt. Yeah. So, bro, what is up with everything behind you? You are. Yeah. Give us, give us the scoop on, on all that's behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just started doing more videos like in this corner. I used to do it in my other corner. And it's so funny because I was really contemplating this today, like in just as I was reflecting on this interview or this talk over and have. And we are having, and it was like the, the paradox of like the ultimate simplicity, you know, particular teachings that we come to that are like, timeless, you know, the, like the golden rule, let's say, or, you know, some loud zoo quote or something like this. And it just kind of like, or Zen cone, it just kind of like stops the mind. And, you know, it's, it's, it's, or even just on Instagram, like be yourself, you know, like it's such an entry level idea, but it's actually like the supreme, you know. And so I have this other poster over there that's like, live your dream, create your happiness, like a typical, like, you know, get out of Walmart or something like that. All the like real basic level quotes on this cute little thing. So I usually do there. And then I was reflecting on the idea of just like the ultimate simplicity. And then like on the other end, maybe like the ultimate complexity, which is a lot of what this work is, which comes from the K-Lonics Science Freedom Teaching work, which is some of the original or more expanded law of one teachings. And, you know, I know you guys are into the law of one, channelings and things. And, you know, they give a lot of really beautiful components to, you know, I guess we could say that maybe the teachings of all time or, you know, the teachings of the cosmos. And then when you get into K-Lonics and freedom teachings, this is like, you know, it's kind of like law of one steroids in my view. Like it's like all the mechanics. It's all the advanced light body, you know, systems and the, the real deep like quantum science, behind ascension and behind incension and behind our biogenesis, which is our healing process, you know. So it's just funny because, yeah, like I'm, like, you know, you go through the path of non-duality or Yana, and it brings you to such a supreme simplicity that you essentially become that simplicity. But the funny thing in the paradox is you become that simplicity, but that's actually the doorway to then live this like, like, you know, just while the, the wildest complexity you could ever, you know, you can't even conceive, right? And that's a lot of what a lot of this is. And, you know, post realization, at least from what people typically say, you know, about a Yana awakening or something like this. I, I, that's when I really got into more of the more complexity and advanced elements, while still running through the path of non-duality. And then I really got into more of the more complexity and advanced elements while still rested in a lot of that, you know, these kind of like simple pieces because to me, that's really what life is. It can be really simple, you know, and it's best that way I find because you're, you know, so overwhelmed versus previous times in my life when I got into a lot of this, you know, it was just so overwhelming. It was like reading the most advanced like quantum physics textbook that I had. No, like, I'm like, I can't do this. You know, so, you know, so it's been many years that I've been involved in this and it's, it's basically just like in the simplest way put it, it's basically looking at like a very high level or advanced level of Buddhist teachings, like light body Buddhist teachings. We could say like Tibetan dojin or Vajrayana, you know, getting into all the different forms of light bodies because there's many different forms. And really just the eternal, you know, because much of my path, especially in the Yana, the Yana path and, you know, coming into a realization this, my questions were often like, well, what's after enlightenment? Like it's, I'm not going to just like end, like live in a blob of nothing, you know what I mean? Like what's, like what's after it? That's constantly what was coming. And so I found like realization was really just the doorway to eternity. It was like the opening to the eternal and now getting into all this kind of stuff. It's, yeah, it's just, it's tumbling. I feel like that's probably the best term to describe it. Yeah. I like how you share on both of those sides of the spectrum where you can have a mainstream simplicity, like the Delphic maxim of know thyself or even the other ones like surety brings ruin or nothing in excess, which are like very common Delphic maxims, maybe even the most prominent or salient ones, the ones that were written at the top of the temple of Apollo at Delphi. And those like really resonate with mainstream. And you could spend a lot of time like inquiring into those, but at the same time you can really relate to the simplicity of them or even, yeah, the direct path pointings of Lao Tzu or of Buddha or of some of the Sufi metaphysic. There's so many like direct ones. I and my father are one also in the Abrahamics. And, and that those can like really like hit and be like quite like simple, but then you have the mathematics behind you that also of course, quantum mechanically represents such complexity. And we really feel that in this like emergence theory of how sentience sort of arises in this universal creation and then sort of like wakes up to itself and then, and then does the dance and explores infinite potential. But at the same time, when we look at it, we can say actually it's so simple, like the complexity behind you also boils down to simplicity. And there's like, that's the simultaneity of having something that is both simple and complex at the same time. And you can sort of play with it in any of those expressions across across that spectrum. So I like that share. And then I feel like asking you also, this is being become one of my favorite questions to tune into on the show is when we talk about waking up or awakening or abiding awakening. So when it's a moment to moment direct experience, what do you say that is. What was coming to me today when I was just like sitting on a cell who was like just being with everything, you know, or first it was being with everything, then it was being everything more directly, you know, because if everything is it already, then it's never not been it because of everything. If it's always been it or if it is it, then it's never not been it. It always will be it, you know, when we're speaking of like the absolute nature, God source, which is often the term I use. The true reality, natural reality. If everything's it already, everything's not even a manifestation of it, it's just everything is it directly as it, then we can only we only could have ever been that. And of course it's just the ideas that we've held the conditioning, the traumas, you know, the many distortions to our DNA over the multi-billion year, you know, angelic human history. It was very long, you know, the working through all that we could say is the quote unquote path. I know a lot of non-duals will say, well, there's no path, you know, of course, right? There's no, there's no path, there's no practice, whatever. But in truth, they're both, they're both real. They're both like when we look at the teachings, like say the golden rule, the golden rule to me, like treating another as a desire to be treated. That is the most entry-level spiritual teaching of them all in my view, right? And it's also the most supreme. Like it's the highest teaching and it's the most, it's like non-duality in perfect form. So that teaching and, you know, an amalgamation of others, I find are. Maybe just briefly, briefly, because this is getting fantastic. I would just like to briefly check in on the golden rule itself, because treating others the way you would like to be treated. I've also heard it sort of shifted into something more like just treating all with love or, you know, that type of, right? Because if one wants to be treated in a, you know, and then you're treating people in the way that you want to be treated, that's of a, like, you actually don't mind it when people are mad or upset or physically, you know, that type of thing. So how do you feel about that rephrasing and then continue onward with what you were saying? Yeah, well, there was so many combinations. It's like you see that golden rule, like dial with all the religions, and then it's like it was shared in different ways through all of them. And there's different ones that resonate more, but I do like that because I feel like it is just a representation of divine love, you know, and true compassion, God's compassion. And I feel like the only way, but that's the funny part, right? Is the only way that you can come to know that compassion is if you've come to realize the true nature where there is no other, you know, there is no separate self, you know, because then you see, well, yeah, of course, it's only this love, you know. And so coming back to the idea of being everything, I feel it's this, it's that simultaneity of both being everything and being nothing at the same time, like a typical like neti neti, you know, neti neti, not this, not that. And then also I am this, I am that, you know, the divine love one side. So to me, like if we're going to put it the simplest way, I feel like it's both of those happening simultaneously all the time. Like that's, yeah, you had a full brother. Yes. Yeah, keep going. I'm loving it. And then I'll hit a ball back. No, that's, I mean, because there's so many ways to describe it and and I mean, I've described it in different ways, you know, I've written about the absolute source, you know, it's not this is not that, but yet it's everything, you know, it's, it's not God. It's not compassion. It's not universe. It's not all these things that can't even be named. There's nothing you can really say to it. It's still known and it can be known through the simplest of moments and the most complex of, you know, grand experiences, but in truth, it's, it's this simultaneous knowing that. Yeah, there's a complete emptiness, complete absolute empty that cannot be conceived by any, any mind no word can touch it. And yet that is also simultaneously so full, you know, with like the depth of love and compassion and, you know, often we found that in the previous traditions where some being would, you know, realize, it would be like an integration process and after that integration would often be communicated as a dropping in the heart or dropping into the passion. Right. And if that didn't occur, if that complete awakening didn't occur, that's often why you found rivers finding themselves in sticky situations because the compassion wasn't being what the movement into the body the movement into the integration of all the chakras of all the aspects of self, so that that gentle, simple compassion, golden rule or divine love is then realized and manifested, you know, within the walking reality in the simplest of moments right. And so, so that's been much of, you know, what's what it's been for me, you know, over the past few years is just being humbled again and again and again to this, this compassion, this love. And maybe, you know, it's different for a female body to I don't know, but I know for as a male body that it was kind of a different it was like this, you know, empty nothing as you know these like the kind of, I wouldn't say hierarchical but it was a bit of a different ride before compared to now where it's like, yeah, again, just endless humility, endless compassion, endless gentleness like moving deeper into that purity and that innocence. So, so yeah, so that's my best way of describing it and I feel like maybe in a couple years to be different but I feel like you know, keep it as simple as possible. Yeah, and I love the coin analogy, one side being nothing and the other side being everything. And then the, you could even say the superposition or the entanglement of those two and also being something at the same time, where there is the appearance of the Corey and the Atlas Expressions having a conversation but underneath it is truth source. Yes, yes, because you know, often I guess in non dual tradition there's a lot of speaking to the idea like oh there's nobody here there's no do or there's a thinker. And yet, but if we get more direct more more specific. If everything is the absolute reality then there is also a do or anything. It can be both right like it's just that the integration of a higher identity is more accurate in my experience right where I have felt progressively post realization that there's been a higher identity that has now. You could say almost come into the body, you know, like, it's like that's what speaks that's what acts that's what moves that everything is that and sure we could say yes that is the God self. I feel this individualized expression. So I always laugh when people get a bit too attached to that teaching because it's true, but then the opposite is also true if everything's absolutely it then it's both, you know. So yeah, this is funny. And actually when we approach it from a simultaneity, I feel like it's most direct path. So, even for mainstream to be able to as an entry point recognize how like two sides of the same coin of like the political left and the political right in like the United States are in several of the developed countries, and there's a conservative in a liberal that those are so entangled or intertwined or simultaneous they're dependent they're codependently arising on each other. It can be a good entry point for also consciousness and physicalism has another one for the simultaneity of that that there is the appearance of the phone, but the phone itself is dependent on perception that the unconsciousness or awareness on that arising just like when you take the screen itself and the screen is just like consciousness just like awareness and then there is this apparent modulation of it where you go Oh, there's an arising of Neo, and then boop. A passing of that thought or sensation or experience, whatever and it doesn't have to tie to a sense of self image. And that's what gets deconditioned or deconstructed where every single sensation or experience gets tied to a self image. And then there's always this seeking energy that wants to extracts peace and happiness from the external. And there's a total deconditioning of that and then the nature is seen as inherent peace and happiness as inherent empty fullness also. And then it's a lived experience I think this point is so so so overlooked and so important. But it's like Frank Yang, again, one of my close friends as well as one of arguably one of the greatest inquirers into the nature and communicators of it. And he talks about it like a contemplative fitness AI that's constantly running in the background, and that there's nothing left but to continue as a recognition. And then it life become saturated you also call the divine love this divine love is present. And it's felt in every breath it's felt in every sip of water bite of food. Every eye contact. And, and then that's emanated like the sun and that's enlightenment, the emanation of that and then it, it creates catalysts, like the one creates catalysts on itself when emanates like that. And so that's that's still fullness. That's still flame that's still light can generate a lot of powerful ripples and more so really than, than than anything else. Yet, it's so important to not become boring. And notice that that's that's the case so deeply that there's like a pacification of the spiritual athlete or warrior or Olympic of consciousness that there's just a there's like a forgetting of the empowerment side or forgetting of the paintbrush basically like like go all out go all out express yourself fully as the one and like do cool shit be fucking interesting be gangster as fuck. At the same time that you know that none of this is real, and yet it's also appearing as it is. So you can do both at the same time and so never ever lose that also the simultaneous to things like one eye, all the way back, Nirvana, and the other I constantly creating constantly paint brushing. And out of a selfless place out of a pure place. And that's the divine creator hood, because that's what that's what keep rice to the entire creation is that frequency. And so like to toss that is like just boringness. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the PC said about like the way I've defined it is kind of like, yeah, the no self ideas kind is more so that you that like there's nothing there to take ownership over everything. And another way that I've experienced it, or it's happened is like the breaks are off. That's kind of a good way of describing you know, there's no, you know, there's no breaks anymore and that's been. You know, it's like that's four or five years like no breaks no break so it's, that's, that's the integration you know it's like it's all the traumas although all the inner workings of the being are kind of like reformulating and because there's no breaks. It's inevitable that you start to balance that for me it's been kind of like very much the monk path, and then on the other side, you know the yeah entrepreneur and out there and creative and doing all the stuff right. The apparent dichotomy or difference between the two continues to just it should be shown that that is also of course not separate. And it's taken time from you know today I feel it's an integration process and maybe very different for everybody. Like, for my journey because I've been more on the, you know, celibate monk fasting minimalism, you know that type of like lifestyle for so long that the integration into the creative component was was sparking the whole time you know past like 10 1214 years. But again when those breaks are often it's like inevitable that you just, you can't not you can not move in that creative way. And the good example that was doing that dry fast last week. I couldn't stay still, like if I stayed still for too long, like my, my, my everything would cramp I would get kind of grumpy like my whole body was just not feeling it you know and so even though I have you know I'm not eating and drinking whatever 10 days were. It's like, I still have to move I'm still going on like five 10 kilometer walks I'm still creating I'm so do because it just kind of it was like the most beautiful reminder that in the natural state, which is always there but in the dry fast it's just like a more of a kick in the ass. You can't stop moving like the universe constant change constant constant movement, you know so if you get into that space where it's like, yeah like the you know typical stuff you're talking about like whatever the nothingness, you know, attachment to nothingness or something. It's just not possible, like you just, it just won't, it won't happen, you know, for that long at least. So, so I definitely feel you on that for sure. And I think that's what's, that's, I appreciate that a lot about the female, a lot of the female teachers around a lot more because a lot of them maybe haven't had a meditative path or they haven't explored that that other side of things as much not always but it's common you know especially in our G maybe. And it's just, it's fascinating to me, because I feel that within myself but it wasn't necessarily my my path but post integration. It's so certainly been that and it's just, it's yeah it's amazing. Yeah, I love that. I love how you share the two sides of the coin in this example where you have the clear cessation of linking sensation sensation and experience to a sense of self self image. And then there's the other side of the coin which I love how you described which is the foot is fully on the gas pedal. And I love that. And it resonates so so deeply. I feel like the matrix or the mainstream, which we could just simply define as just people that are in the patterns of governments and economies and the mass media and the money supply and not inquiring into the only question that matters which is what is I. And one of the first big shifts out of that is what you could say is the embodiment of more of the divine creator hood. Like when when somebody gets the urge to like be empowered and go on a hero's journey or pursue entrepreneurship, that type of stuff. And so they do usually put their foot on the gas pretty fucking hard and like go at that. And then there's usually like a question about like well, what's happiness though, like what is peace. And then there's the inquiry process that usually comes up, which is the what is I, which can be very logical it can also be very meditative in its experiences of Samadhi in that very deep absorption into unity in the disattachment of of attaching sensation and experience to to self. And so I love that I love that because then that's where more and more of the emptiness the nothingness shunyata, the no selfness. That's where more and more of that can blossom which is, in many cases, a I've found to be a later stage of awakening. And not only with Frank but with several others in in sort of stages or steps of awakening. There's the simultaneity of this already being it with itself, and that being impossible to have any levels or, or stages because it is already with itself in a conversation here. And that is what we're talking about source with itself, just playing with itself here in a universe. As these conscious agents talking to itself like, there's just no, there's no, it's just front and back of hand, and then yet simultaneously there is the apparent levels or or stages where as we experience we can only talk retroactively, which is also so interesting. Like, we without a doubt couldn't talk about this 10 years ago, no chance, because we were still baked into separation. And we're still baked into selfhood, selfing. And I've, I found that a lot of the stage, and I'm really curious if this is similar for you, but I found that a lot of the I found a lot of spirituality does seem to end at awareness or consciousness. I feel is, in many ways, super helpful, like those pointings, of course, because I feel like it goes to the first stage, which is shifting out of ego to consciousness to awareness and being like what the fuck. Like, is this really consciousness talking to itself, and then there's like the transpersonalization or the impersonalization, the universalization into like an infinite consciousness which then appears as like, Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to transcend the duality even between consciousness and object. And then that's the merging of consciousness and physicalism to capitalist self or God, everything being that very oceanic. And then, then this is sort of where I feel like many people for sure like that one is already higher level. And I say this next one is the investigation into no self basically, it's the investigation into the nature of sensation and experience and attaching that into self image. And it's more like a, it's more like an Olympic athletes approach to it. It's, it's like someone that's basically turned on the nature of sensation experience, and it's how it automatically creates a sense of self and how you can obliterate or dissolve that by inquiry. And then that's sort of what I found to be what creates the natural, natural state, which feels a lot more spontaneous, free, and clearly like awake to all those levels and yet transcending them at the same time and that's been triangulated now for almost a year now by several people that I've been talking to that are some of the most awake people that I know as well as now myself more and more via direct experience and so how do you feel about the stages. How do you feel about the levels, and it's obviously it's clear that we both feel the simultaneity of there being none and yet also the appearance of there being some so how do you feel about that as some sort of like a staged or a systematized way for us to recognize how the one wakes up to itself. Yeah, well thanks for sharing that. Yeah, I mean, I do resonate with the gist of that, that that expression and I've heard it often, you know, from a lot of these other teachers to my previous teacher Ramajoo I received a transmission from had a similar kind of concept of moving through note self was a bit different it was more initially no self then it was God self then it was kind of back to no self a little bit again almost. And then there's this absolute kind of simultaneity that emerges and that's pretty accurate to how I kind of journaled and, you know, reflected on my own process through that system. And then kind of like what I alluded to before because, you know, when I, when I, when I tune to the nature of just was not tuned it's just like it's always here. And there's a there's always this here in this of this simultaneity and it's so simple it's so easy it's like unmovable, you know there's a clear unmovable nature that previous in my experience I was not aware of at least we could say you know. So there's that unmovable mountain like knowing that is there. And yet at the same time, especially coming into the calonic work where they're presenting, you know this eternal life perspective you know this eternal, essentially this eternal ascension where what we've come to know as enlightenment on this path, in my view is is kind of like the beginning of eternity you know it's like it's like this doorway into it's almost like we were so we're so like baby like in childlike that we thought we thought enlightenment was like this big thing and then we come to realize enlightenment and then we realize oh wait a minute. Like now it's just like, here we go, you know, and that's that's more and more where the humbling for me has been because coming into these studies. So, you know I was coming from this place of this clear knowing that like like Frank says like, yeah, there's it's like, there's no more you can go like you, you, there's what distance you know like where where you to head what more are you to realize from this knowing and yet, even while being so accurate, there's still this clarity that well now yeah we're exploring that the the eternal space of creation which certainly does have many more levels, many, many more levels in regards to dimensional frequency accretion in regards to frequency flows like for instance, what people typically term as 20 would on a 15 dimensional scale would go from dimensions one to nine. Then we have Maharada frequency which is the Christ frequency which is from 10 to 12. Then we have key rush a right 13 to 15 and you have kundere which is beyond that. So, these frequencies are each different, you know, so even though I, you know, I went through the whole kundalini thing then you have this way game and there's this abidance. There's still all these flavors that I came to know and it's very accurate and depicted in Buddhist culture where Buddha was saying one thing about light bodies and then other other masters are saying another thing about rainbow body and other light bodies golden lotus but like, there was all these different flavors to how the exploration can still evolve. And, and so, so, so that's where I come at it from where, yeah, like, and I, I kind of view it like, after there was kind of an abidance, it was almost like a honeymoon I felt like I didn't have any practices I didn't care about anything I didn't do anything I for months I would I was going back to the clubs I was going out and eat all this stuff I hadn't eaten a while I was watching movies for the first time, you know, because I was such like a monk for so long. Yeah. You know, or so devoted to my my business so it was just like monk life business and just like, you know, so I had this like honeymoon but then after that honeymoon it was kind of like, oh yeah like now it's it's this eternal space to explore. Right. And, like, even this diagram here this is a breakdown of the 12th dimensional time makeshift right so we have Earth, which is right here. Right. A higher version of Earth is called Tara dimension five is actually dimension eight. Right. Leera dimension 12 right. So for instance if we were to look at that from the standpoint of okay. We have attained this realization here on this dimension, but there is a reason why our bodies are not in these different other ranges. Right simultaneously we could say well there is a reason why that's that's the case and I feel like that's the further unfoldment and evolution that actually just naturally happens almost you could say spontaneously even. Like to me, of course not everyone needs to get into all this stuff to me it's just fascinating people could have these activations and awareness, just on their own, you know just naturally like the people who just wake up and then all of a sudden they're waking up to themselves in some other dimension I feel like it's just it can be just the spontaneous thing. But yeah, I'm quite clear in this kind of, I just love the simultaneity of that because I feel like it actually is, it's the true, to me it's been the humility. Right. It's like yeah sure I feel like there's this clarity of abidance and you know and a non-dual awakening and all these kind of terms and yet at the same time it's like this, I don't know how to describe the humility it's like you can't even put words to it. You know how how eternal everything is in every direction. You know, like even some, you know, spiritually young folks I'll start talking about like billionaire angelic human human history, because calonic science, in particular, they have the ascension mechanics on one side and then the other side they have the, like, the most mind blowing history of the universe you can probably find on planet right now. And you know, a lot of the young people are not not interested, you know, saying they don't want to hear some of that stuff right. And it's fine. It's just funny to me but but my perspective is like well, if you if you are saying that everything's eternal and you realize the infinite then it means infinite in every direction. Everything is infinite every every angle is infinite the histories the conspiracies the entrepreneurial path, you know, everything in every direction so if you still have these ideas like, well, Yana is this, you know, Nirvana is this but then there's still kind of, no I'm not that's not it, you know, like uncompromising non-duality which I love. And to me it's like, well, it's it's eternal in every direction so like let's let's play with it all, you know, so it's just, um, yeah just laugh it's just it's been funny to me to observe and, and in myself because I, I, I was very much like this you know I didn't wasn't open to a lot of things at times and even even after abidance you know there was still like, you know, or whatever but it's an endless humbling. I think that's what true that's what a way kidding is you just get humbled. So, so, so many times. Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. Happy January 11th 11 at 1111pm. Oh, well, it was amazing. Yeah, it's a beautiful beginning of our brotherhood. Yeah. Yeah, it feels really good and I would love to also play on ascension mechanics that was cool. I also would like to play a little bit more together on on fasting, as we've both very interested in that you're like an Olympic athlete though in it which is very cool. So, let's, let's play on ascension mechanics for now. So, there's obviously a way that this dance unfolds with itself, and it appears to be like sentience or consciousness waking up to its unity after falling asleep to separation. And I would love to hear more about how you understand the ascension mechanics, because to me it feels very much like a with the one waking up to itself, and through the illusion of separation through the. I would say the vales valer gaitless gate, which, as we talked about which is that we are always already source and yet we've also apparently forgotten ourselves as that and then remembered. So when you'd say ascension mechanics do you mean that or what are you talking about specifically. I mean, the, like, as a brief history that the essence of the calonic science freedom teachings transmissions were basically a group of teachings that would be translated at particular times in our history. Within generally an ascension cycle, or, you know, a starfire cycle. So this this cycle cell or activation cycle that we're in right now is from 2000 2017. So what tends to happen is there will be particular speakers, their individuals who get the contracts to come and scribe in these teachings so they're basically teachings that are held on holographic discs called this coistered door tour plates. And these are like the teachings of all times every tradition on the planet basically has come from these teachings and when you get into them you see the crossovers everywhere. So mind blowing. Yes. So mind blowing those crossovers between the traditions insane. Yes. Yes. Uh huh. That's it. So. So yeah, so the original path of ascension was generally where we would go through stargates. There's 12 on the planet. They're in different places in the on the on the planet and usually the path of ascension is you'd go through those stargates and you would go up into some of these higher worlds. But because of the histories and the very dark history actually of this planet, that plan was changed. And we basically we're basically more in in this path of ascension, which is actually I feel like a lot of people tune in naturally like this idea that we're moving almost like inward within ourselves and the whole universe is within ourselves and we can essentially create our own stargate to go wherever we'd like to go or go home you know because we may have a home outside of this time matrix outside of this universe in a different star or some other place. But we're basically re re accessing and remembering the divine blueprint or the template, which is another term for, we could say the anatomy of God, because we could say like when we get into mathematics or like geometries sound frequencies we can see that everything has a divine blueprint and structure. And that's why we naturally want to love then kill that's why we naturally want to like, you know, like all the things we just like things grow you know we walk forward rather than backwards like there's this natural blueprint and structure that, like, again when the self that no self is there then we just follow that natural blueprint, most of the time, you know just kind of now all naturally happens very very beautifully. The remembrance of the divine blueprint is essentially the re integration of our expanded in this case 15 dimensional self, and it's really eternal but if we just start there. Into this present moment awareness. Right, so the typical yana teaching of the awakening to God self I mean, generally when someone's there like the amount of epiphanies and insights and visions and all the things that are happening every day it's like you're you know within a day you know because you're perpetually remembering everything all the time, like, you know, a lot of the blocks are kind of dissolving. And so that's that's very accurately actually how I've experienced this because, even though for me like, I don't always see quantum physics stuff or all the science you stuff or I have no interest maybe you know it's not, it doesn't feel like it's irrelevant at a particular time, but sometimes even just seeing these codes you know recognizing like this code is a part of our anatomy. You know, like this is actually me, just like this the spirit body you know this is the light body mechanic. Right. So when you look at some of these codes, you're actually seeing yourself again and it and it and it sparks that. So, initially it may just be like a code you're looking at at the wall, but then over time all of a sudden it just activates and you literally feel it like you literally feel this this structure, this this living organic breathing structure. That's the most like beautiful, like, you know, beautiful beautiful. It's described like it's just every it's everything you could imagine about, you know, you know you only second electric trips and you have all these images and so imagine now like you know you're sober and you're here and you're connected to self and now you've actually can feel this living structure. That's that's the integration of what these mechanics have been for me because it's just been a further remembrance, you know, and, and then when we're, you know, often in all traditions there will be three main important elements right there'll be generally the geometries the mathematics, the sound frequencies, and the energy intention right like the commandments the virtues you know like acting with right action you know like these kind of core components to our conduct. And all three in combination have been for me that the remembrance of my own divine blueprint like when I if I'm chanting particular tones. You know, because if we look at it from a post realization perspective pre pre realization everything is for seeking you know I'm going to do this mantra and I'm going to get there I'm going to get there you know. But if we look at it from from more practical like okay, if I chant this tone, it's going to activate this particular thing right like just like if I want to sign a piece of paper I use a pencil or a pen you know like I signed the paper. It becomes just very like what it is like very practical not. You know I'm doing this mantra and I got to get some you know that's the core shift that I felt, you know, because I love still chanting and working with a lot of these style, you know, son or geometries because it activates certain currents of frequency. And that helps me further remember myself, you know, and, and, and, you know, Frank's talk about this to a lot of people have you know you start activating various cities or start having recall past lives or you're able to see or as all these things kind of happen not because they need to, but because that's just you remembering and see starting to see through the fog. And like particularly past lives you know it's taking me a long time but now starting to actually see them and, you know, go and remember myself like you know sitting in meditation and an ashram or something like and actually viscerally like experiencing it. Like man that's like fun stuff right like what else is there to do you know that's how I look at it right. So, so yeah, and this one you can't really see like I really like this one because this is the called the virtues the 12 virtues and, you know, basic stuff love compassion, you know integrity communication you know these basic principles, but this diagram is actually the structure is actually held as a structure within our anatomy can really see it but it's literally like the actual structure of our anatomy. So, you want to stop it off the wall and show it to us. Yeah, be cool. This is called the, the wheel of the virtues or the mandalic mandalic shield. Right. It's, it's also called it's also from the shield of Kalei. So this comes from a certain council of beings called the mashayana. And the mashayana is also a similar term to messiah, which, which is the term for messiah, but messiah was a different spelling and mashayana is a bit of a different spelling obviously. But they're the elemental, they're the elemental kingdom the elemental benders earth crystal, which is together air fire water ether. And so, this mandalic shield, and the funny thing, you know, like obviously in Buddhism, you have mandalas this is about man DHA LIC so it's very similar, but, you know, began the crossovers. But that that's been such a powerful tool for me because post realization I was really focused, and I was endlessly being humbled to just like the basic qualities of my human experience, you know, like acting with more integrity and more respect, more compassion. You know, I don't know being on time for things like community, like just all the stuff like basic stuff of human life that was naturally like revealing. And then when, when you know I came into stuff like this or was going back into old Buddhist stuff after I was recognizing as you know these aspects of like my actual anatomy, like just like my finger is a part of my anatomy. And the point of energy that I've assimilated of compassion or integrity or these things is actually like part of my anatomy that I'm remembering. And in, in the times where the Stargate passages would would be open. Depending on where you're going you actually had to have a certain quotient of these virtues cultivated within your anatomy within your, your frequency within your being for you to be able to even pass through a certain Stargate. So, so I find that for a lot of people post realization this stuff happens anyways, you know, it's just it's natural, but for me, I'm pretty intellectual in this regard so I, I, it's fascinating to me you know to understand stuff and again like what else, what else am I going to do with my time. But, yeah, so. Whoa. So, yeah. Okay, I want to pull on the thread of what you said was the, the holographic disk. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. So a, which we could maybe also call what some spirituality calls the Akashic records. Different, different. These disks are actually physical plates that can be materialized and I believe some of them are here on planet but they're, they're nowhere to be found you know and I can find it. But generally they are multi dimensional so the main speaker Ashayana Dean is now called Asia. She was speaker one. She was the one who was the main scribe for this teachings and there was two others speakers originally there's always three that will incarnate and you know and of course I'm just a messenger for these teachings like you know this, all that stuff is for other research if you want to get deeper but what I can't speak to when it comes to the holographic this is yeah they can take physical form. But often they're in a holographic form and the speaker generally will be trained from a very young age as Ashayana was, and she'll be trained by the higher guardian councils that assist in the translation of those holographic disks. But the training consists of her being able to go and actually read the disks like you would like a textbook. But the core of the CDD plates were responsible for what we call the Maharat attacks, which is the same term or very similar term to the Mahabharata texts in the Hindu tradition. But the Maharat attacks were the original I think 512 books textbooks, and those were yeah the original teachings of the law of one. And, and yeah so they basically in many ways they build off the higher levels of Vajrayana Buddhist, but they add many different layers to what that presented. And Ashayana is a reincarnate of a fairly well known master I forget the name but I mean there's so many of them, and there's a couple other beings, there's quite a few beings actually in the community and I'm always hesitant going into that too much but it's pretty interesting I mean I've been very humbled by that group of that body of work. And if we can get a little bit more clear is the channeling or access to the holographic disk in this case, and this is sort of access to the, the essence of source and how it expresses itself. Essentially yeah and that the channeling was more accurately it was more, more so data streaming as they like to call they're actually not advocates in the system of channeling, because it can be very damaging to the template, you know, basically possession channeling is just a fancier term for possession right. And I've done I've done that and I had a lot of spontaneous experiences of that when I was working with psychedelics and many years ago. And I had to do a lot of healing from that you know so they're pretty they're more specific on data streaming which is different in the sense that you're streaming from basically a higher version of self, you know, a higher dimensional version of yourself, versus allowing someone else to come into the body, you know which is, yeah, can be kind of kind of risky, I guess you could say, especially, especially in this planet, because this planet. Interesting one. I like the way you describe that which is that it's so deeply just tuned into one's nature which is already here which is, we could say the essence of source expressing itself or even just higher self which is really that and coming from that place now so instead of coming from conditioning and the separation and the lack beliefs instead coming from a place of total sourcefulness and total emptiness of self interest and self image and total service to creation and beginning. That's so deeply resonant. And it feels. It feels like having access to myself, capital S, so true, like so much, like, I love that and it's just like, it is like just such high alignment. And just what's present there is this this indescribable freedom and this indescribable love. Yeah. Yeah, even, yeah, even more, more words just end up, you know, because that those like those, whoa, even just the feeling and like the of that, you know, we want the feeling of it. You know, Bantino Massaro talks about it so much like you want the feeling you want the frequency or the vibration the moment moment experience of freedom and love not the concept of it. And to like radiate that it's so so good to radiate out just emptiness of self and emptiness of self image in pure service for creation awakening to itself. And like feeling it feeling that. And that does feel like the highest when when a do tune in like that's, that's really it. And the shift to that on a moment to moment experience and then surrounding ourselves like in the triple gem. Surrounding ourselves a spiritual community surrounding ourselves with other awake expression so that we can get reflected when we're like getting a bit into lack or separation or whatever it is self image. It's been so important. And that's why we're building no limit society. And it's such a joy to see how fractal like it is really it's so deeply fractal like because you know exactly where I was a year ago. I'm just, you know, talking to my other selves that are there now. It's so deeply fractal like and then in a year then they'll be talking to their other selves that are where they are at now. It's, yeah. And it's such an inner job really it's such an inner job to come from that vibration come from that frequency from that purity from that emptiness of self and self image, and of that energy of stewardship shepherding service. And, and just feeling the love and the freedom. It's such an inner job to have that moment to moment and to basically basically be like someone is with a gun, just following you around all the time, ready to pull the trigger on the back of your head when you forget to come from that. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. And then, and it's, and it's like, yeah, I mean, in every moment, you know, like the simplest of moments like smiling at the stranger, you know, like, I don't know petting the dog like loving the dog make a nice meal for a friend or something you know, just the simplest of moments where, again, if you're feeling the embodiment within like every cell of your body essentially you know like, then, yeah, and everything can everything is extravagant already. So, like, everything is redeemed, you know, like everything is redeemed from whatever we originally thought it was whether it's boring or mundane or this or that, you know, because I feel like if we start there. It's not even we start it's going to happen there anyways, then all like the bigger things that we think we're going to accomplish or create or manifest just, I mean, it becomes so much more for us, you know, 100%. And how much better is it when we come from the emptiness of self and self image and how much more better is it when we come from the purity of already being free already being love with itself and creating from that whole place. It's so good. It's because then everything that is created is created from a sense of the whole and from a sense of service and from love and that's so much different than the vibration that's polluted, even even slightly, but most of the time it's with a lot of lack of separation of self image. Mm-hmm. Because then it doesn't become about the, the nothing and everything it becomes about what can I in my body get. And that's just so like you guys, you can't get more direct than this, like, we just can't like this is it. This is as direct as it's going to get it's going to keep evolving and waking up to itself and getting more and more precise. But this is really the peak of what's available right now it's basically the synthesis of all of the wisdom traditions and the distillation of them like as accurately as possible and the merging of that with science and with entrepreneurship and with shifting the mainstream into awakening, like, there's just nothing more precise right now and so tune into this like above everything else, tune into this. And then this has Shri Aurobindo and Mother Mira Fossa call it the well of honey under the rock. It's always there. This freedom and this, and this love are always there. And the rock is separation the rock is is lack. And the rock is the sense of lowercase self and tying everything to that. And this is it guys like this is the most direct that you can get because it's the simultaneity of their always already being the honey, but at the same time the well of honey but also at the same time noticing how to dissolve the layers that have built up which are the rock. Yeah, the brakes are off you know the brakes are off the brakes are off. Be with every be everything be everything be everything. It's a welcoming synonymous welcoming. You know I'm constantly reminded of when we speak to this divine blueprint it's no different than say like the yogic divine blueprint of Buddha's divine you know, like yoga you have devotion and yana and bhakti and, you know, karma, the yoga create a good country ago all these different forms but it's like they're all like they're all just the fractal of the self and they all manifest in their own way at their own time. You know, and when the brakes are off, then you you, it's like that's that's what's then always happening it's like this beautiful balance. That's not like a perfect static balance like, you know, like all the yogas are perfectly balanced enough, but it's like this. It's like this beautiful wave, you know, for each person and that's what's so beautiful about your podcast right is all these different individuals sharing all these different like from all these different angles of the waiver I've always I've often seen it as this like spiral flame. You know, like of this fractal where we're all like, we're all like dancing together through the spiral. And, and that's the fractal of the whole spiritual personal development industry we can call it that or the coaching industry or the fitness industry the nutrition industry like they're all these fractals of the same one flame, you know, where everyone is kind of just like learning knowledge passing it down learning knowledge passing it down experiencing passing it on. And yeah, it's a, it's a nice image to experience not just like conceptualize but to be in. Yes, to participate in. Yes. I love that and every time that I tune into the essence of source and how it expresses itself and dances with itself plays with itself in this generation of universes and then these earths orbiting stars where sentience wakes from its illusion of separation and lack and sense of separate self that every time when I tune into that highest sense of the essence of source that the spiral, as has been said in evolutionary psychology as well as the mystics that there is this spiral dynamical play. And I love how you talk about it like also a flame, and also the direct experience of it above everything. And you can so clearly see that because we came from a place that was feeling like it was feeling separation and it was seeking freedom it was seeking happiness seeking peace, seeking love. And it shifted through these different programs or through these different stages, where there was the entrepreneurial script that was running and then there was the script of, I will meditate and then there was the script of, of I will understand what non duality is. And then there's finally there's just this liberation of the seeking itself because there is a moment to moment, deepest experience of what nature is. And then it's so clear because there's no more need to even run the spirituality script or the non duality script. No need to run the teacher script either which is super important and heavily forgotten. And then there's a, there's such an effortlessness of the freedom expressing itself like serving the spiral, wherever it's at. And, and that's just like that's the bounciness and that's the freedom and the love and never for the amplification of self image the proliferation of that. And it's always for other self and always for that hall of mirrors style experience that fractal like dance, and always for the other self always for their awakening which is you appearing like another self. And, and that's, I've out of everything that I've been able to call freedom. And it's really that, like more than anything, the simultaneity of it all and then also the ability to, to serve myself, waking up to myself. Yeah, there's, it's just so it's so rich. It's so, because that's the teach learn learn teach of the one. Arguably is the entire intention of creation. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, just this endless sharing and in the sharing in all ways, like verbally energetically artistically, you know, there's so many ways to share and I feel that, like, you know what you were mentioning before about the balancing out like you know basic needs and has moved beyond these lack based the original lack, you know, they've they've uprooted that original lack, and then upgrading that original lack. Like what else is there to do but their but but creativity but like a creative flow of of artistry and expression and connection and play and you know like that's there isn't really much else and then you know within that there's service but the service is of very much this pure innocent and I've noticed this a lot too in this kind of paradigm of the world we're in right now where, you know, there's a lot of changes happening and people have all these ideas about where the world's going to head and you know splitting or these different things and if you're realizing yourself as the space between everything, then there isn't like this set way that the world is going to end up because of course what's the world for one but specifically like you're already that wherever you are so whether you're like in some awkward community or whether you're in the depth of the city or you know you're it's it's it's you're the space in between it all and but and and with that, that's the kind of new frequency range we could say that we're all kind of tuning to that it's the other aspects of lack that perpetuate all the density within around that space, kind of just almost doesn't become perceivable anymore. You know, and I've noticed this a lot, even just entertaining things like gift economy energies for being nomadic kind of like you guys are you know like just like the combinations of these different ways to engage the physical world and especially the summer I was spending with community and in these different like community pockets people have land or out of the city in the city. And it's just like everywhere you go you're just met with the same frequency it doesn't matter where you are it doesn't matter you're in depth the city or outside you're just always met with the same frequency and the creative beauty that just emerges within all it's just endless there's no there's literally no end you know, and, and that's that's that's what I feel we're all continually a climatizing to you and funny enough, like you're saying the importance of community I think it's, it's, yeah so vital, because so much of the community is spent alone or in solitude or in the inner workings and, and yet it's truly within this plane of this human body the truth is we are just simply seeking intimacy, you know the intimacy with self source with other perceived other and, and kind of dancing with that intimacy, which you know we could say is creative energy or, you know, whatever it was. It's just that in dry fasting states to like, yeah I can I can drive a while. I was just about to head into this topic so yeah. I love how we are both so passionate about fasting. So I'm already fasted for a day right now, which is a constant process for me, at least once every couple of weeks to at least fast for a day, sometimes up to three days, usually water is what I'm fasting with. And then one longer fast, usually every maybe six months or a year of like up to five days water have not done no water yet. And the vibrancy of everything that we're talking about being embodied is amplified when we fast. And just most simply speaking it's because you're not your bodily energy your metabolism is not focused on the digestion of food, but rather it's focused on whatever energetically the imagination the focus is dedicated to the attention is dedicated to. And so that's where it's easier to be in somebody. It's easier to be in no self. It's easier to be relaxed and it's easier to not get caught by a sensation and then driven into a sense of self image. And I feel really good about this subject together and I feel like we may even do a fast together, perhaps even a dry fast and then document it, where we talk maybe on the first day at the end and then maybe at the end of the third day and at the fourth day or something like that. And tune into that experience together and podcast about it as we do it and I feel like that could be also really instrumental as a catalyst for many of you, because it can sometimes be a big. Oh no I don't know about not eating. And we would like to just really demystify that and to make it really practical and really relatable. And also at the same time to mystify in terms of mysticism it for you, which is your feeling of God within. So how, how, tell us about the history of your fasting, your cadence or your rhythm with it. What arises for you, and also the segue that you were also on. Yeah, well, yeah, that's a great way of describing it. I mean, I like the flow that you have, you know, the balanced approach to not doing it, you know, too much. Exactly like there can be times where it becomes another mechanism of we could say like bliss chasing, you know I often speak to that about a lot of practices like intense breath work, fasting psychedelic work. And that can be kind of this chasing of a rainbow and often a chasing of higher frequency or movement into higher chakras, particularly, and that can be actually quite dangerous you know I remember times in my initial periods where that was like a constant focus stemming from that you know that deep intense seeking energy that wants to like get to someplace get to someplace and it's almost like this. The image I get is almost like a, like a graph like some sort of like fractal graph that's like, it's like shooting and then collapsing and shooting because it's the foundation isn't there, you know. So it's really important that, you know, with with people who are embarking on what really any practice but particularly fasting is there is that balance and there is an approach where nothing needs to be too much of a push. I feel, I mean, it's why Buddha was always so big on the middle way and so many other teachers because they went to the extremes and they realized that didn't have anything for you there, you know. So that's my approach with communicating with with with the fasting and it's still an experimentation for me but you know this journey has been almost 10 years now where like in conjunction with my initial awakenings at 16, when I started like trying to eat better eat like healthy chicken salads or something some fitness diet, you know, everything in my journey of upgrades and in terms of frequency or in terms of some sort of assimilation of our consciousness. There's this simultaneous lightning in the body that was occurring. Right. And, and this is not just the physical aspect but all layers of self because there's a beautiful quote and I've kind of expanded on it but there's a beautiful quote by one of my old mentors thanks Arnold Eric and his quote was all disease is constipation and that has stuck so much with me and I view it more as physical constipation physical toxicity, rigid mental patterns, you know, stuck emotions on process shadow on process emotional energy and energetic buildup or miasmic buildup we call it. And so all layers of that are responsible for all forms of disease and suffering in my view you know like coming from that original lack because, because we have that constipation and as we believe there's something wrong with us and then going about our seeking and I'm going about our, our running towards some, some moments some promised land that never really gives what what we, you know, thought we were going to get. So, each of this, you know, over the period of time where I went, you know to vegetarian and I went to vegan and I went raw vegan and I went through Terry and, and in this time starting to do you know small little juice cleanses or, you know, colon cleanses or fast and things and, and every time starting to notice like, holy crap like I'm doing these juice cleanses and all the stuff is coming out of me like where's this coming from you know like this stank ass like crap you know like really not not stuff that should be anywhere in the body. And so that was a big eye opener just on the physical level because I had dealt with so many physical issues in my life, you know, like I was a really sick kid I was always a doctor you know it was always complications and. And so, you know, the process of awakening for me is just like that the full spectrum approach, you know and the body is so vital like we the clean the cleanliness of the temple is, is, is certainly going to support us in being able to be in more of a balance and we could say maybe is more important as a preparation for realization on some level. Because of course when you start to tap into that true compassion and love you know you can transmit a lot of things and there's a lot of great masters in the past who didn't really give a shit about their body that much you know so I do understand that that that that side of things you know like smoking cigarettes all day or eating like whatever. And because you're in such a, you know, peaceful space it's almost like the frequencies kind of like dissolving a lot of these elements. But you know some of these masters still died of cancer and things like this to. So for me I'm like well, that doesn't really feel resonant for me like I feel like I can take my body much farther than you know that type of approach to things right and so we're in a different time now. And that's where the fasting really has has given me unity to heal, you know, really heal like specifically just like if we're looking at physical like all the elements I've faced with the acne or the back issues or the the mental brain all kinds of brain stuff and you know everything like just so many things you know like there's so many lists of things that I've been through and so fasting was the doorway to that and in conjunction. And I guess the way I approach it the way I teach it is, you know dry fasting. Yes, certainly for most is quite the stretch. But in my view it's like the most representative of the natural state. And because I always had an intuition that you know consumption, maybe, maybe the chewing of the apple that maybe it's a figurative story but in the garden of Eden maybe that was actually way more literal in regards to the fall grace. Right and so when we look at like calonic teachings you know they're they're quite clear on the fact that you know many many many many years ago we were originally breatharian beings. And we were self sustained from within us, because we had the correct alignment within our friend within our DNA to be able to sustain ourselves. But that's very much changed and I certainly don't recommend to go breatharian or anything that, but I do not only do I see it as a possibility but I see it as potentially a natural progression maybe not in this lifetime for some but you know it's even just small little bits of a taste of like a 36 hour dry fast where nothing is coming in you know not even a drop of water not in brushing your teeth. And you're starting to now feel this, you know you may go through a little initial. Okay, the emotions start to come up or the mind starts freaking or you know, but after a bit of practice with that all of a sudden you start to feel this natural like emanation you know like this this this this very subtle peacefulness and it's like the cells all the cells just kind of calm down you know like you start to tune into the natural compassion. That's like inherently built in with you because because when you're fast it's like you're naturally more gentle, you speak more gently you know like it's just, it's there. Right, so, so my flow, you know, I went through many phases I was really into the fruitarian thing for a while where it's going on extended for diets and that was a big change because in my experience even if someone doesn't get in any fasting. If the whole world changed about 60 to 70% high water, high water containing fruits and vegetables in primarily raw form. I view like a good portion of the disease in the planet would be eradicated, you know just from that simple shift alone. That's generally where I start with you I'm just like literally just start with that 60% your diet, high, high water fruits you know like then eat whatever else you want you want to eat meat you want to do that like do whatever you want but if you just start to open up that you start to hydrate in a new way. That can be a huge set, right. And then I got into juice fast I did a 39 and a half day juice fast I did many 10 days you know I did all kinds of little fast in between the just make sure everybody just to make sure everybody heard you clearly 39 and a half day 39.5 day juice fast. Yeah, yeah and that one, that one was so after this actually because I had prepped for so long I was I was already you know in a natural kind of for tearing in type of what space. I guess I don't really label myself as any form of beating but if there was one that feels most resonant it's called, it comes from the scene tradition is esoteric teachings of Jesus. It's called a compassionate for tearing ism, which is essentially it's for tearing ism but it extends into nuts seeds sprouted grains and also even animal products because it's just like a raw milk raw milk raw cheese, because all of these things are just provided for without you to kill an animal or even a plant. Right because you can still like kill kill a carrot. And you know they actually have faces sometimes you can tune into that so the compassionate for tearing ism was this model that was that was you know essentially one of the core approaches in that time that was not you're not killing anything, but it was it's beyond what we typically view as for tearing ism you know which is just like fruit I guess. That's that's probably most accurate but I don't exclusively stay there you know I when I went in that juice cleanse I cleared out so much plaque. So plaque is like a buildup of old fecal matter that could be in there for 1020 30 years right, whatever age. So that's like a tar that starts to come out of you so I had multiple feet of that coming out of me over that that period of time, mixed with all kinds of other things. And so it was a big eye opener because you know, I don't know like if you just leave food in your fridge for a month. You know what I mean. We usually have to take it out after a month now think about your, your body being a 38 degree sauna where you have old food in your body. And it's been there for 20 years like if the idea that people you know we're so confused as to the origin of all these diseases we have all these separate diagnosis and specialists for the left toe and the right finger and this and that like, but really it's all coming from the same main core and that's a lot of it meaning we haven't eliminated properly the stuff we've consumed, because we've been so addicted to consumption in all forms. Right. And I view that primarily being the connection of food and emotion or food and love, because the moment we come out of the womb. And my old breath, this old chronic breatharian teacher taught me this she was speaking about the idea of her name split Lana and she was speaking about how the moment you come out of the womb, what do you get you get the breast, any, any noise you're making you get the breast, when you're a good boy or a good girl, you get you get the breast you get the food. You know when you're bad maybe you get a not so tasty food you know every emotion essentially is tied to the consumption of food right social gatherings you know family gatherings and all of it. So, so it's a beautiful thing and I love eating people and I love know what I'm eating. I absolutely love eating. I'm like, I just adore it. I've been more I've become more of a foodie, since I've been in this right. Yeah. But when I'm fasting, I absolutely I love the fasting and I think that's the biggest most important principle to remember is it's not about just becoming a breatharian or you know, you know, shining food. It's just back to that divine love that devotional. Yes, exactly. Hardcore remembering moment to moment. Yeah. That's it. I feel like it's one of the most accessible also mainstream gateways to waking up is fasting, along with the breath and self inquiry. But fasting is like a simple way to just say it would be like, bitch you think you you think you can you think you're going to die from not eating for a day. You think you think that you think that you're going to go an entire 80 year life without spending one day completely fasted. Like, are you bitch, like you can't do that. Like, really? Or you can't go two days without eating you think you're going to die. Like, so I felt a similar energy. Six years ago when I did my first 10 day of a posh meditation retreat, like a lot of the energy was just like, I can sit down for 10 straight days and shut the fuck up. I don't have to talk for 10 straight days. I would love to see what happens when I shut up for 10 straight days and what happens like I would love to the same things truth fasting. You know, just be excited or exhilarated or thrilled by what will happen when you break your chain of addiction to eating for a day. And so that's one of my favorite approaches to it and I see it as a huge gateway for for mainstream waking up. And then also another thing that you said that I think it's just so potent and so scientifically on point because for the longest time we've been talking about now, the gut, the gastrointestinal tract, having so much being like a second brain. And there's so much age, also billion year intelligence that's located there, because we're talking about all of these bacteria, and so many other parts to the biological kingdoms that are billions of years old that we're in a symbiotic relationship that are housed here in our on our gut. And this, as you describe in this 40 day juice cleanse that to me, it appears like where in the GI tract. What you're going to have, especially like in the, in the small intestine. You're going to have a, you have these villi. And they're they're basically these nutrient absorbers that line the gut like this, and there's tons and tons and tons of them. And so as as the, as the food moves through after it's already been significantly broken down by the stomach acid that there's an absorption that happens by these villi into your into your body. And I feel like what you're talking about is that over time, especially with zero cleanses that there's a sludgeiness that builds up in those in those villi like in these pockets and around them. And what the water or the juice cleanses do is that they provide a deslogification, whereas the hard food, they further and further add and add and yeah some of it can slide out but then more of it gets stuck and some of it slides out and then there's some that stuck from five years ago or 10 years ago that's just been built up. Is that also how you see it also from that scientific side of the coin. Yeah, yeah, that's a great way of describing you know there's a sometimes as well to like the intestinal tract like you know it's like a tube and then sometimes that stuff builds up and actually creates like a secondary pocket. Right, where, because that's a lot of like doctors you know they put cameras up there and they're like oh well there's no plaque where is it I'm like, think about it you know these the GI tracks almost 30 feet long it's like a two story house. Of course there's going to be stuff all in there and all the different crevices right and. That's a really good way of describing it and you know so we have you know you quite plaque you have what's called biofilm, which is like yeah sludgy like film, you can see type membrane that starts to come out. There's parasites worms there's all kinds of worms and shit I've seen come out of people myself some of you need to sneeze it out it's coming out of your brain, because the GI tract is the first avenue, right, including of the liver and then kind of like the kidneys we also have the lymphatic system and in the western medical system, the obsession is with blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood kind of just clogged, right? So that's really the core of where we're going to find the original issue. It's like if you didn't flush your toilet for 20 years, I mean, your whole house would get destroyed, you know? So, you know, the juice fast and sometimes the water fast, that helps a lot with clearing up the colon. And it's really important. And my programs, at least that I put out, like they focus on that because that's for most people, that's you have to start there, you know? Because if you start detoxing everything else, then you start re-toxifying yourself, you know, because everything's blocked up, including your GI tract. So it all starts to, right? So that's the first step before you get into dry fasting. But dry fasting is like exponentially more of an efficient healer. Because in dry fasting, you basically turn your body into an internal inferno, right? Your body starts going through its glycogen stores first. And then once it gets through glycogen stores, it goes into autophagy. And that's where the lysosomes in your cells, which are like the furnaces, they start eating all the dead, sick or the unhealthy, sick, cancerous, and the fat cells. And they start breaking them down, removing that waste, and then rehydrating yourself with that living water that's within those cells. So it's funny enough, you actually don't feel that dehydrated. Oh my gosh, that's how the functionality works. So autophagy as diseased cells are destroyed, the body will then nourish itself with the water from the diseased cells. That's so interesting. I was always wondering how the body would have like a hydrative component during that time. Because the burning of glucose for energy and then burning of fat for energy is so common, people recognize ketosis when they drop into that. But in terms of maintaining a stable sense of being hydrated and not thirsty for even a period of what it's the mantra that we've been programmed with is three minutes without air, three days without water, three weeks without food, it's a mantra. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah, and it's become like Aubrey de Grey, who we've had on the show several times, talks about aging like a trance. Like it's a pro aging trance, like that it's totally normal to get cancer and die. And that we should just be totally normalized that. But that's just the trance that we've tranced ourselves with rather than feeling into, well, actually, bitch, I'm going to live until I'm 120 or 150. And the way that I'm going to do that is by tuning into the way that cells become diseased and eradicating any diseased components within cells as they arise. And one of the greatest ways to do that through all of the natural past that we've studied is through fasting. It's so good. So, okay, so keep hitting us with where you were at on the how the body continues hydrating itself. So, so interesting during water fasting. Yeah. Well, the dry. Yeah. So the dry fasting. Yeah. It's called lie fasting. Yep. Okay. Yeah. No, no food, no water. And, you know, I've learned from individuals that are more breatharian based. So they're not even using the term fasting. They just, they just say living in the natural state or the chronic state, right? Where they're, they're focused on how to just continue it as a lifestyle, which I think, you know, for 99% of people it's not going to be so that's totally fine. But even just a, you know, extended dry, when there's a preparation for it, that literally could be like years worth of healing. You know, I'm actually starting to create like a calculation of comparison between dry to water to fruit to juice. It's kind of difficult to do, but it's a bit exponential. So what I understand is like a seven day dry could equal to amount 40 days water, maybe 50 days juice, 60 days juice, you know, 12 day dry, that's going to be like some like 67 days water, 100, 120 days juice, you know. So like it's like exponential, the speed. Okay, so for every day of let's say dry fasting is let's say, maybe correct me if I'm wrong, maybe two or three days of water fasting, which one day of dry fasting is equivalent to maybe four or five days of juice fasting, something along those lines. I'd say a bit more even like five to six days, five to seven days water, and then you know, eight to nine, maybe a juice. I'm still kind of feeling into this one. One day of dry. Yeah. Yeah. Is equivalent to almost a week of of water fasting or juice fasting? I think it'll be more prevalent once you get over the autophagy threshold, right? Because around 3648 hours, sometimes three days it may take. So when you're speaking under three days, the effects are going to be beautiful, but but not like, yeah, you know, they're interesting. So you really have to you really have to get over the autophagy threshold, especially in dry fast to really begin seeing what you're talking about. So once you get over three days or so of dry fasting, then you'll feel these like compounding benefits that will feel like you've been juice fasting for two weeks or something. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's how I've experienced it. I mean, like on this last protocol that I did, I didn't make it the whole way, but it's essentially 11 days. So I did about 10. And you know, that comes from a doctor named Dr. Filonov, Sergey Filonov from Russia. They're big on the dry fasting and chronic living and stuff. So he has a clinic where he runs people through this 11, 12 day protocol. And he's kind of got it down to like a real specific science. And you know, they've had the most remarkable healings happen from everything you pretty much think of. And there's basically two main acid crises or releases that happen. The first one is from day around four to six. And the second one is from eight to 10 ish. And I experienced both of those and they're quite something. I mean, I was pretty prepared, but even still, you know, and, you know, so, so you can really because because the vision I had with the dry is just this idea that almost it's like all the sludge from every crevice of your body, you know, like your joints, your muscles, your brain, like that's what's being pulled out. It's not just the GI tract anymore. And that's basically what I felt like I experienced because, you know, I'm about four days after the breaking, I'm still on liquids and men, I'm still purging all kinds of stuff. And it's not so much solid without getting too much detail, but just acid waste, that's the best way I could describe it, you know, and for me, I feel like that's just coming from everywhere, like every crevice of my body where that has potentially been stored. I don't know really, you know, I'm still uncovering it. So I still feel like a baby in it all. But but yeah, so, you know, the dry, it's no joke. I mean, but it's definitely, it's very efficient. And, and, you know, if people, you know, use for me to go just doing intermittent that intermittent dry fasting was the biggest, one of the biggest noticeable shifts on my path with when it comes to this type of healing, right? Like, you know, we dry fast every night, people say they don't dry fast, you dry fast every night, that's what sleeping is, it's dry fasting. So if you just extend that, you know, 12 to 20 hours daily intermittent dry fasting, and then you have, you have that open window for to 12 hours of eating, you know, for me, it was like a lot of fruits and quinoa and some veggies or something different phases, right? That in itself could just be a huge step, you know, and then you get used to that, maybe that's a year for you, maybe that's a while, and then you maybe do like a 36 hour or 20, you know, a 48 hour or something like this, and you keep kind of building up. And that's how, that's how I view it now. Like, it's better to just keep building over time. There's no, unless you're in a real chronic state, right, where there's a real serious situation, and we won't get into that too much. But I mean, that's, that's generally where you don't really have much time to waste, you know, but it doesn't have to be dry, you know, you could do other forms and things that are a bit more of a useful graceful, you know, step, I guess. So yeah. I love how you described it like a pulling out of all sludge. And yeah, of all toxicity. That was great. And then another point that I wanted to share with especially mainstream is that leveraging this as a gateway is also very powerful for you saving a fuckload of time, which is also fascinating. You have no idea how many hours you spend on the acquiring of food, the eating of food, the cleaning up of food, the money that's spent on food, and the energy fluctuation also is huge. So imagine like you're in a, you're in a work sprint on something from nine until noon, and then at noon to one, you go and you get lunch. But it's never just, you know, spending 20 bucks and getting food and then eating it. But it's also the fact that then that food creates a spike in your glucose. And then you have a, your body, your metabolism, it has to forcibly generate insulin to be able to deliver that glucose to it the cells. So you're forcing your body into metabolic processes to deal with your spike of glucose. And that's why people feel what's called that like afternoon siesta. You know, and what a great way to train oneself, but then to not have a one to two to three o'clock like murpiness to your energy, but rather from 12 to one to two to three, all of that time, you're still rolling, you're still fueled, whether you're out, whether you're out in nature or you're in a workflow or you're reading a book or you're talking to a friend or you're jumping between different meetings or whatever it is. Like there's so much power in the amount of time and energy that's saved also and where we can reallocate that. And I feel like that's another really crucial point for mainstream. And also the element that because of most, most, most individual's ideas that well, you know, my energy comes from food and liquids, right? But if we really break that down, food and liquid is only one avenue to where we, we sustain our energy, right? Like what happens when you're inside for too long and then you go outside and you get in the sun and you feel like the exuberance and the energy that fuels you up from the sun, you know, or you go, you go on a run or a walk or you work out and you're moving the breath or you're doing some breath work. Again, all this energy from the breath, bare feet on the soil, you know, rolling around in the grass, like being in the green once again, more energy, you know, intimate connections, like social connections, like creative movement. If you're in like a truly creative, like pure, like communication, you'll feel energized after not drained, you know, so there's so many more ways that we, we are fueled by energy, like let alone just the source of God itself, like just the nature of, of who we actually are is perpetuating like the sun, you know, like it's just like this sunlight radiance from within. So when you, when you go into a dry or something like this, you may have to go through these initial layers of purification and withdrawal and low energy. And so there's a trusting in the body that happens there, you know, sleep when you're tired, you know, all that kind of stuff. But in truth, you start to really see actually how much energy you have, you know, like I, in the summer, I was driving all the time, I was still doing 30 k bike rides, I was driving all around, you know, connecting with people and the energy is just there. And then when I want to eat, I want to eat and then I eat. And it's, and it doesn't have to be any sort of dogmatic approach with it. And also, like I'll reiterate the importance of the emotional work, the, the, you know, I call it shadow work or trauma work, because again, the, the bliss chasing is what is generally caused by a lack of integration of shadow in my view, you know, it's like a, it's like a running to somewhere without integrating the, you know, the darkest, shittiest, whatever aspects of you that you have to take a look at. And I feel like those two in particular in conjunction is really what brings a true sense of grounding, because I don't, I don't define grounding as feeling dense. I feel I view grounding as an embodiment of our, you know, fullest self in this present moment awareness, you know? And so, so because people bring that up a lot, like, oh, you know, you're going to feel lofty and, and yeah, I went through a lot of phases where I was fasting, I felt very lofty in that. But nowadays, I mean, I feel more grounded than ever. And, you know, it's because it's, we've talked about so many topics today, and I feel like that's the point. It's like, it's not just one thing, you know, it's, it's this full spectrum approach. And we'll always be kind of like brought back into balance if we go too far in one direction or get attached to one idea or something, you know? So yeah. And another important scientific way to understand it is that there's a higher ATP or adenosine triphosphate density in fat than there is in glucose. So you're feeling more energy. So in the citric acid cycle or the Krebs cycle, you're actually feeling more energy when you're burning fat than you are when you're burning glucose. Glucose is a horrible source of energy in comparison to fat. Fat is an incredible, powerful, longer burning, much more cleaner burning source of energy. And this is exactly what people talk about when they eat avocado or whatever, rather than like eating a greasy burger or whatever it is, that you can feel. Why can you feel a difference between when you eat an avocado and how much, like, how like light, like that feels and how like slow burning and like nice that feels for like even four hours you can get by on an avocado versus when you eat that at that burger and that bread, like you're you're just like and like it just feels so draining on your energy levels. And so it's another really good thing to tune into ketosis and to tune into what will happen when I get over the ghrelin, which is the hormone that's secreted for hunger. When I get over those little ghrelin spikes that I've been conditioned and trained to be secreted every however many four to six hours, when I get over those little ghrelin secretions, then what happens is I'm in ketosis and I feel more and more of that steady higher energy burn in that less and less of the immediacy of needing to respond to just the ghrelin and and then there's another thing which is the sovereignty. There's so much sovereignty and so much will and so much choice that's that's unfrozen from conditioning and from patterns and is able to sort of like take its divine creator hood more precisely and you can just drive your attention and your focus your imagination your creativity will to whatever so much more frictionlessly and yeah so all of those things together are you know just a a little bit. I'm so happy that we talked about it on on the show but this is even just like it's concept still for many of you that haven't went a day without eating get the direct experience of it more than anything is go one day without eating are you a little bitch or can you do it because you can do it I know you can I'm talking to I'm talking to myself right now because this is exactly the same energy that you know a couple years ago was my my feeling of like ah I can do it I can I can do that and so I know that there are other selves that are feeling that same way and so overcome any limiting beliefs you have and be able to get the direct experience of what we're talking about and what it feels like and then it's like a muscle and you want to train it and so who knows maybe Corey and I will do a dry fast even together and do some podcasts about it so to be super cool bro yeah yeah yeah that would be cool yeah I mean it's yeah it's a pretty remarkable and like you said it's such an easy practice for people to access you know it's not yeah it's like 24 hours three days you know it's not really the end of the world but you can't and I think that's what we we uproot like how crazy the mind is you know like like you know it's just it's a funny thing but um but yeah that'd be really cool that'd be really cool yeah bro mind is always craving always craving and like uh we get great insight into that craving process also from um slowing down and fasting because um I remember one time I didn't eat refined sugar for like almost a whole year um it was while I was dating one of my ex-girlfriends for almost three years and I remember her her anger because she was like why don't you eat desserts with me and then I remember like being in an elevator with someone that was bringing freshly baked cookies to some sort of event that we were hosting and I had never smelled refined sugar before up until that point like I just remember when only from fasting from refined sugar from such a long time did I realize like the addictive craving-ness like the true addictive craving-ness to it and then it's and then you know you collapse the duality as well and you enjoy some cookies and a brownie and whatever the fucking want too yep yeah yeah exactly exactly man I mean I remember I had this uh event we did a convention or something at in Montreal and uh I was basically driving past the whole weekend and I had coconut water that that evening but other than that you know we're doing 12-hour days and just you know all out very social and then at the end I wanted to treat the whole team to a meal and we went to this vegan spot and they have this amazing like you know Indian it's like an Indian family that runs it and man like I had never eaten something with such like I was crying in the meal like I was eating as it was like everything was alive you know like every rice was alive like it was like speaking to me it was I'll never forget it I'll never forget it and it was just a perfect example of you know like just when you're in when there's a natural like fluidity with the experience of whether you're eating whether you're fasting or doing this and not the dogmas of things then it's god it's it's it yeah no I would love to hear from you guys also about if you would enjoy or like to see us do a dry fast together and document it and how often you would like to see us do the episodes right now we're feeling like maybe at the end of day one at the end of day three at the end of day five so a rhythm like that so let us know what you feel and also I'm feeling really good even about rapping now I feel like we've covered so much bro do you feel good you feel content like complete yeah cool yeah it's been great man it's been really great I mean it was just yeah spontaneity you know just let it flow and yeah it's beautiful I really appreciate you and this platform you've developed and everyone watching you know it's nice yeah bro I I appreciate you tremendously I appreciate our brotherhood a lot I feel a lot of power together I feel like this is only the I'm noticing less and less people come on the show and because I'm obviously self selecting and that the quality of the people that are coming on the show is so much higher now in terms of resonance with the nature and with brotherhood like long-term creating potential and it feels so good that that's the case and so I feel like we could even not only do do that cool dry podcast dry podcasting oh my god dry fasting podcasting but I also feel like we can even just like revisit every like three months or whatever into conversation together and just see where each other are keep keep it rolling powerfully and yeah and also so where is it best for people to fall besides Instagram Instagram Corey's prolific on there posting all the time writing great posts I'm sharing great content on there where else would be another good place for people and we'll link all this in the bio yeah well I have a 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