 with Benjamin Azulet, and he's talking about something that sounds like witchcraft here. It's LIFI, L-I-F-I, like Wi-Fi only with light. Tell us about what you've got going on here, Benjamin. This is a technology that was created by a professor in France, which is called, we called Suat Topsu, who started to make the LED blinks so fast that it can communicate. This technology is very interesting because it is an extremely fast communication, almost at light speed. Maybe the speed of light. Exactly. It is radio wave free, so no potential harm for the body, and at the same time highly secure connectivity. Okay, but I would expect there to be a lot of loss using light. I mean, how do you create a collimated beam of light in LIFI? So it is working with a visible light, but it's also working with invisible light. And we did our market research, and people told us, but I don't want to switch on the light to communicate to the internet. And this is why with this product, it is the first product that is accessible to the consumers that is using this technology with invisible light. Okay, so for those only listening, we have what looks to be a table lamp. It's kind of a cool, space-age looking lamp with a red tube that comes up and a tube that comes out of the end of the light, but I'm guessing the tube is the real thing or no? Is that just for show? At all. This is a lamp which is designed by a French designer called Pierre Garnere, who just wanted to demonstrate that the internet cable, giving the data, is prolongated with this stuff. But you can remove it. It has no... But it looks cool. Exactly. It's a little red rod that comes out of it, like that's really it. But you're saying... In reality, where is it? It is here. Together with what we call... this is called a dongle, a USB dongle, that communicates. Okay, so on the table, he's got a 12-inch MacBook. He's got a little dongle here with a USB port, and he's got a small round disk, maybe two inches in diameter. He's got three green lights on it. And you're telling me this is communicating internet to this laptop? Exactly. Very fast, at 23 megabits per second. Full duplex. Very secure, and this is very appreciated. What is the problem we are trying to solve at the office is radio wave free and highly secure connectivity. This signal doesn't cross the walls like the lifeline. That's why people very appreciated that in professional environments. And at home, we have a concept which is called a digital detox, because the hyperconnectivity, especially of children, is a real social problem. So this is a sort of green wireless connectivity of the future. So I would still think there'd be a lot of loss from light, correct? I mean, maybe not as much loss as Wi-Fi or more? No, there is no loss at all on the contrary. This is by making the LED blinks, because the LED is a technology that provides a very fast switch in and switch off. Because it is a semiconductor, so there is absolutely no loss on the contrary. I guess something about the light coming down. A lot of the light is not actually hitting this puck. But I guess that's true with Wi-Fi too, right? You got Wi-Fi all over the place. It is absolutely correct, and it will bring less mobility than the Wi-Fi. But we assume that. We want people, we provide people with a new way to connect, not intrusive, connecting in a sort of cocoon for the family. That's almost a peaceful way. Exactly. Okay, I'm going to test you here. I'm going to turn the MacBook around. He's got Wi-Fi turned off. For sure. He's got Wi-Fi turned off. I'm looking right at it. He's pointing light at this little puck, and he's going to go to his own website here. Actually, we should check. We should make him go to my website. Actually get the light in the right. Oh, there it goes. Now it's happy. Here. Now he's happy. But he tells you. You can tell. Okay, so look at the speed. Okay, we're going to have to test this. We're going to have to go to my website here. I'm going to go to podfeed.com. And whoops, got to spell it right. Oh, this is not an English keyboard. There's the M. I'm sorry. Okay, there we go. Hit enter. There we go. Sorry, it was not a query queue. Oh, here we go. Wait, we've got to bring it up on screen, or it doesn't count. So through light, we have managed to go to podfeed.com. This is fantastic. Hang on, the guy I'm interviewing just walked away. Benjamin, Benjamin, Benjamin, come say goodbye to the interview here. Goodbye, and thank you very much. How do people find this product? On Indiegogo, it is available for pre-orders since this morning. It is $840 each, including the dongle and including the PUE injector. Okay, and how would people find it? OLED.com, C-O-M-M. Exactly, OLED.com, C-O-M-M.com. And on the first page you can pre-order it. Very good. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.