 Var installerade och fyra klockor som registrerar, allt han gör och han håller sig alltså ständigt uppkopplad. Ja, har träffat honom. Welcome Chris Dancy to this morning, Shay. I just have to start with something a bit disturbing that you call me and like everyone else who is a bit addictive to their phones, a cyborg. You have to explain that, but first what is a cyborg? A cyborg is first off, it's not bio-robotic. So when people hear cyborg, they sometimes think like a machine human hybrid. A cyborg is an organism and that just means anyone living that is assisted through a piece of technology and depends on feedback. So glasses make you a cyborg, but they're missing the piece that depends on feedback. So they're not vibrating or telling you some things right or wrong. Because of everyone's use of technology, they've become cybernetic. And what we're seeing right now is the rise of the cyborg. So if we just rewind a bit, you are called the most connected man on earth often. How and why? Good algorithms. In 2008 I started paying attention to what the computers, my computers knew about me. I noticed a lot of, like a lot of people I was being served advertisements. And I thought to myself, I'm not very healthy right now. I just turned 40. That was 10 years ago. I wonder if these ads could tell me positive things about my life. So I started thinking about how I interacted with my laptop, my computer, my phone, my DVR. And I slowly started building a system that would take anything I did and show it back to me and suggest to me what I should be doing. So if I'd been at the computer for too long, maybe I would say, did I have to go for a walk? Or if I didn't email or call my mom, it would say you probably should talk to your mom. So in the beginning it was something very, very private. Shortly thereafter I was at a conference and someone saw what I was doing and it was a reporter. And the first story came out about 2011, 2012. And I was called the world's most surveilled man. Shortly after that I became the world's most connected man by mistake the BBC made. –And now I'm making it again. –Well, it's fine. It's better than, like my grandmother would say, at least you call me. –But so it helped you gain your health back, right? –Yes, ma'am. So yeah, when I was 40 in 2008 I was about 300 pounds. I smoked two packs of cigarettes a day. I was on medicine for blood pressure, anxiety and depression. And I'd been on anxiety and depression medicine my entire life. So 22 years, I started when I was 18. I was really, really unhealthy. And the idea was the computers I was using were still perfect. And I just wanted to reverse that a little bit. I find today it's ironic that our phones are charged up. They're covered, they're protected and they're the latest. But we're tired, cold and hungry. So I just turned it around and started taking care of myself as well as I took care of my devices. –But if your device is like telling you to go for a walk and call your mom or something like that, do you ever think by yourself? –Yes, ma'am. The problem is we live in a world where our computers help us find places, find people, find things and we forget how to think for ourselves. So once you get so far into technology to your point where you've forgotten to do simple things, you need the help to get back to do them. Just as someone who maybe had been in an accident needs rehabilitation, can you walk by yourself? Not yet, but I will. I was at a point where in 2008 I had used so much technology for so many years that I needed to teach myself to be more human. –I'm also thinking that for me and for some people, using the mobile phones and devices all the time makes you a bit stressed. You might have to put them away to be mindful like to jogga or whatever. But you use them to be more mindful for yourself and mindful. –I call myself a mindful cyborg, you know. Well, again, I believe that it's, first off, it's very important. If you feel you need to put your phone away to be more mindful, please do. The problem and why I advocate not to do that is because we live in a world where we've weaponized the use of technology. If I see you on your phone, the first thing I think is why can't you pay attention to me, right? I don't consider that that might be your spouse, that might be your work, you might be checking your blood sugar, right? We make the assumption that people are being narcissistic when they use their devices, not the assumption that they're talking to other people. So for me, I understand the need for people to avoid technology. The reality is we live in a world where you can't. –From what I understand, you also use notifications to be kind to other people. Like walking into a grocery store and reminding yourself to be kind to the people who work there. –Yeah, I've noticed a disturbing trend in the world in the last three years. Our apps have allowed us to order ahead and just walk in and pick up things and leave. Our apps have also made payments very easy, so we just pay with our phones. And I think what I noticed to myself was the more I avoided people with technology, the more I was hostile. And what I found was using technology to remind me to engage with people, actually was the antidote. So now when I walk in stores, I get messages, specifically the grocery store, telling me to talk to everyone there. –What do you think will happen next in the relationship with technology in the world? –We're merging. I mean, this is kind of the message of my book, Don't Unplug. The reality is we have merged with technology. We're no longer separate. Many people can't, as you said to me earlier, can't go without their phone. There are clinics for people who are addicted. First off, no one's addicted to their phone. Can we stop saying that? It's dangerous to say that. And secondly, as we move forward through the next ten years, there won't be phones to look at. There are no iPhones in ten years. We played this interview in 2028. No one's holding a phone looking at it. It's on their body. It's in their body. Or it's literally in their body. As we move further forward, we need to find the best ways to save or back up humanity and bring that into the systems we're merging with. –Does it scare you sometimes? –Absolutely. There are days where I'm horrified. When I look at the youth, my husband is a schoolteacher. And I look at their ability to what I would call think, or their ability to communicate. They seem distracted. They seem lost. They seem utterly confused by everything that I would consider to be normal human behavior. And that scares me. The reality is, if I'm more patient, I notice they have new ways of doing things that I don't understand. –You travel around quite a bit and talk about these things. –Yes, ma'am. –Is it like the same things we're talking about, the same problems with technologies that we have around the world, you see? –Yes. No matter where I go in the world, it's become the same. –I think the most provocative thing I've noticed is, if you think about it, all seven billion people, for the most part, have been looking at the same screen for five years. So what we're doing is all over the world we're seeing similar problems, governments, politics. It's not that something is spreading, it's just that our ability to be human is being constrained by the interface, the interface being the screen. So for example, up until three years ago, we only had two emotions on Facebook. Now we have five, right? So as technology companies start to give humanity more access to feelings, we'll start to see this. But right now it's a very dark time. It doesn't matter if I'm in Singapore, Tokyo, Stockholm, Oslo, or South America. The problems are the same. People are reacting identically. Culturally, we're losing our kind of heritage. And we're creating a new emergent heritage, a global heritage. It's very fascinating and exciting and scary sometimes. –Thank you so much. –Thank you.