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We are gonna kick it old school with just Eric and Nate It almost happened last week again on recording. You guys will never see But we're back and we're recording a little earlier in this week So I decided to mix the topics up just a little bit since we're gonna be about a day and a half or so behind our usual topics and this is also kind of a special week because the Friday Before you guys hear this doom came out on switch and then literally this Tuesday L.A. Noir comes out and I think on Friday Skyrim comes out also on Tuesdays Rocket League So it's kind of like a huge week. Yeah, this is From when our last podcast was to this one of third-party games and we actually have a topic on that's awesome So it's gonna be fun. Yeah before we get into that. It is the season of the holidays Yeah, how long days how long days is amazing now? I realize that this what we're about to talk about might only apply to the United States I don't really know what happens in other countries because I'm not from those countries, right? But as the holidays approach, I mean it's sale season and we have some black Friday deals Now these ones come from best buy now by the time you hear this podcast There could be some other deals that have come out. So keep your eyes peeled I might do a black Friday cyber Monday weekend roundup like the week of It coming out and because we've recorded the podcast usually a few days early before we publish it We I'm going to make that as a separate video from the podcast where I just kind of go over What I feel are some of the best deals on games for switch and 3ds Over and heck, maybe there's some deals on some of their mobile games And we even intend those gonna knock five bucks off Super Mario or something. We don't know We don't know nothing's been enough yet. So But we're gonna go over these black Friday deals because they're kind of interesting and it might have some some some conversations Maybe about game pricing. Maybe about Just some interesting stuff. So Eric, I'm gonna have you go over best buys switch list for the deal switch list Okay, we got Minecraft story mode complete adventure for 1499. It was or it is originally 3999 What the heck is this the soggy 5 the soggy 5 that works. I never actually seen that Before my life so yeah, I didn't either until it came to switch. Okay. It's at 1999 formally or normally at 59 99 RBI baseball 2017 1999 normally 2999 The Lego Ninjago Ninjago movie video game 1999 normally 5999 Raymond legends definitive edition 1999 normally 4999 Dragon Ball is universe 2 1999 normally 4999 Lego worlds 1999 normally 3999 Monopoly 1999 normally 3999 Various switch games for 2499 Super Bomberman are sonic forces one to switch Nice The binding of Isaac after birth is at 2999 normally 3999 Puyo Puyo Tetris is 2999 normally 3999 FIFA 18 2999 normally 5999 What I know I could just say 30 and 60. No, no, that's how I okay Well, just because I'm reading it. No, it's nothing to do. Okay, and then cars Cars three driven to win 2999 normally 4999. All right. So speak. We'll stop at switch and then we'll get to 30s Are there any of these 3ds deals that stand out to you in any sort of way even if it's not a game You're gonna buy just something that shocks you I Mean the one that I probably would buy or there's probably two that I would possibly think about buying RBI baseball and Lego worlds Even though I'm not a big fan of the whole Dropping things on to something to make it a playable character because then good god You have to spend on golly amounts of money But it does look like a decent game at least Lego worlds does So those two to me are the ones that I would definitely think of think about sure I can tell you guys right now There's two games on here that I'm probably going to end up purchasing if I can get out the best buy or if I just order It online because I think the deals are also good online That is first on Monopoly One because I love board games like we used to play board game games that back on the PC and stuff Monopoly life a lot And it's been a long time and I miss it and what got me interested in this game was actually when easy allies launched like two years ago They played this monopoly game I can't remember was on PlayStation 4 and Xbox one, but they played it And they were just having a blast and ever since then I've been wanting to play it but I've been resisting buying it on PC or any other platform because I Really put all my gaming budget right now into switch And before that I was kind of working at Zelda informer So I kind of backed off of buying it so all the games I want to buy Because I just didn't have time to play it was I it was other than I worked in another job So I just didn't have time. So now that my job is basically let's play as many switch games as possible Have last I get to actually expand myself and I want Monopoly and I want it bad and for half off I feel like it's gonna be worth it for a 40 bucks. I'm like, it's a little steep Yeah, it is for board game. Especially when it's this old. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it could be 60 But I mean we're talking about a game that's probably 20 bucks on all other platforms right now Oh, yeah, so for $20 worth it to me, especially if they get a patch out There was apparently some issues with it at launch But they're working on a patch by the time this this game is available for me to buy it for 20 bucks Should be patched. So with a patch I'm looking forward to playing that haven't played Monopoly Well, I played of the board game Monopoly like last year with my kids. Yeah, or with melody really didn't go so well Do you have a kid? Oh, yeah, didn't really go so well melody either. I win because I win attention spans but Don'ts don't even have any attention span to finish Monopoly. It's a game that I want to get together Maybe do a live stream or a video play of it They get you in on that Maybe if we can get some sitters like my parents that the kids will find me Maybe get Yulia and see if we can find one of the person to come around and make my sister or your sister Chris or someone find someone else who just wants to join in we do 2v2. Yeah, but might be some fun times Otherwise, I'll just go one-on-one classic. Oh, yeah, just trying to wreck each other buying all the properties up You can like make your own boards and stuff too apparently so I can make the Nintendo Prime board. Oh, yeah It'd be good times. So now I wonder if you can actually share those boards with friends. I don't know that be Cool, I don't I mean you guys out there this game's been offered a couple years. You guys know. Yeah, I don't I don't know I played it. So that's definitely one I want to pick up and the other one Believe it or not a sonic forces. I believe You guys are gonna quote me on this and I corrections believe it's $50 on switch right now So that's a half-off price And certain that game just came out Half off a few weeks later is not too bad of a deal and on top of that, I mean half off I Know it hasn't reviewed well. I'm well aware it hasn't reviewed but you know what made me get kind of sort of interested in it again Jim Sterling I bring him up sometimes because I really enjoy his viewpoints on things He liked the game He put up a video says I'm not saying it's better than Breath of the Wild but And Because he has been very critical of Breath of the Wild But he said that he had less frustrating moments with this game than he did in Breath of the Wild And of course, you know, he he's not trying to attack Breath of the Wild But he just knows how he prefaced it and entitled it that way because he knows that that's what people are gonna take it As is he's saying this game's better than Breath of the Wild sonic forces better than Breath of the Wild Jim Sterling You know, but that's not what he's saying He's making fun of people that are going to say that yes, but he's saying that he likes it as much as he liked generations Well, that question he says sonic generation to him is the best 3d Mario to date And that he likes it almost as much He's saying that the great moments in the game aren't as great as generations The low points in the game are not as low as a gotten generation. So Basically the sonic forces isn't as bad in certain review outlets are making it out to be In his opinion, that doesn't mean that it's not bad You know, he noted that there's a lot of things that people What the sonic fan base there's here's the games you're supposed to hate and if you don't hate it, you're wrong So he's like maybe I'm wrong, but I don't hate this game. So He also loves the fact that again, it's another game coming out in all micro transactions No day one DLC no massive day one patch None of the stuff that's kind of, you know, no loot boxes. None of the things that's kind of huh, you know Into stuff like an actual game then just like Mario Odyssey like yeah, not that the other games are an actual game But like they're being piecemeal. Yeah, right, right like an actual old-school game like where it's a game not Not a beta test when it comes out. Maybe they knew the reception would be great So they couldn't they just make it worse, right? But then again, you can argue off, you know sales are gonna be low You want a couple white whales anyways? Yeah, and there's like costumes and stuff You like they easily could have found a way to microphone. Oh, yeah easily, but they didn't So yeah, that's those are the two games that are probably interested me the most to purchase myself The one game here when I was laughing earlier thought I was laughing at you if a team It is I care to you. It's not half off on any other platform. This this black Friday. Yeah, it's a new release Oh, yeah, that's really true. I mean if it is off, it'll be like $10. So yeah switch version 50% off Yeah already This coming off of what wasn't it just last week that we talked about ea's abandoning the switch Basically, yeah, I was either last week or the week before One of the last three weeks because they said Well, I'm sorry, they said they have no new releases time research at this time And they will not commit any more new releases until a year out And yeah, and then there's like rumors out there like they had to release FIFA 18 on switch because their contractually required By FIFA to release a version of FIFA on every gaming platform that comes out So in theory, they might have not supported switch at all if they had a choice God yeah, so yeah, there's all of that I just I just find it funny that I mean instant discount Well, let's you know that if it was selling very very well, they would not be allowing these discounts to happen, right? But you know if it was an actual version of the game Even if it doesn't get a say in this because it's just the retailer cutting into their profits They can't get rid of the game. Yeah, so they're that was like, oh, we have all these copies of FIFA 18 Switch we can't sell them. So we have to put them in the discountment. Yeah But yeah, I love it's a lot of these other games. I Don't know I look at some of the deals and it feels more like just getting rid of the switch tax deal You know buying your minds after a plug knocking 10 bucks off that gets rid of the switch tax makes it Yeah, same as the other versions. Yeah, same a pui pui Tetris Which is fine That doesn't mean the bad deals and they get to advertise them You know when people advertise a sale even if it ends up being the same price as other systems People are still gonna buy it because it's a sale the whole coals effect. You have to have everything on sale. Yep So yeah, not not too bad. Also, you guys are gonna be interested in Dragon Balls, you know We're true to because I've seen some people ask us talk about it. I'm not interested in it That's why I haven't talked about it. You guys saw me play the demo for the saga 5 complete very very interesting game Very complex mechanics made in a very complex demo Fun though. It was fun But obviously I have no interest in buying a game right now. The thing is I've said it before and I've gone in record I want every single physical switch game period. I want to own them all so technically I want all of these soon a Pokemon I want all of these but my theory is a bunch of these games They're just gonna be even cheaper next year and the year after in the year So eventually I'll be able to get some of these physical versions for dirt cheap Oh, yeah, that's why I'm kind of waiting instead of being like, oh, look at all these deals I'm like, I only want to buy the games I'm going to for sure play and then later on unless you guys want to donate some copies I will be picking up some of this other stuff because I understand now all of these games are always gonna be in production either So prices might not change and if it's a Nintendo game like arms. It's not going anywhere. Yeah, it's gonna stay at the price It's a yeah, I gotta comment on that one. Yeah, the next little part of it here So next up is the 3ds games. You know what? I just thought further but why don't you go to the 3ds games as well? Okay Okay, let's see here. Okay, I'll actually switch to to 20 and then and 40 and okay It doesn't that I wasn't making fun. I know that but still Pokemon Omega Ruby 20 bucks normally 40 Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon 15 bucks normally 40 and we're crossing new leaf welcome amiibo For 15 bucks normally 20 Mario Kart 7. This is the one that I have the problem with how old is this? 20 bucks normally 30 new Super Mario Brothers 2 20 bucks normally 30 Fire Emblem Echoes Shadow of Valentia Valencia 30 bucks normally 40 and then Zelda occur at a time 2d bundle 2ds bundle 2ds bundle for Yeah, and that bundle is The big fat like 2ds not that's on the folds It's it's custom in that it's the ockner of time green with like yellow buttons, but there's no artwork on it It's really weird and then it includes a digital copy of Ockner time to 3d that's 2ds the 2d is 2ds with Ockner time 3d Not a bad not a bad price on that bundle per se is the only hardware bundle Obviously switch was probably not gonna get any discounts this holiday with how well it's selling What I find interesting about that hardware bundle is like you can get like the 2ds itself like 70 bucks So you're paying $10 extra for the game granted. I think our current time 3d still sells for $40. Yeah And that was one of the that was that wasn't a launch game but that game came out like three months or four months after launch it came out the very first e3 and The game itself and I believe the 3ds release in March So in June is when that game came out. So it's one of the older games out there And it's a remake on top. So What was the comment that you had Hold on. I know you're looking up a release day I guarantee you it was June cuz see I covered Zelda. So I know this release day for sure I don't know around what day, but it was in June Good god. No, you're not even close. What I could be time 3d came out. No, no, no, no No, I did yet that part. Yeah, one of the one that the Mario Kart 7 come up December 1st of 2011 Yeah, so you think that's bad It was it was June of 2011 argument time 3d came on to so-called 40 bucks and the game you're complaining about right now right many watch that 40 and Apparently it's only 30 now. So they actually did reduce the price of it. What oh the Mario Kart 7 Yeah, I have seen a price reduction. Good. It should be 20 not even 20 bucks to begin with. Oh Oh Yes game shouldn't even be 40 Not one no not not originally. I'm saying now It shouldn't be 30 bucks. It shouldn't even it should be barely 20 to be now Yeah, I mean Six years old plus we have had two outcomes of Mario Kart with Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe That's the same game Yes, but and they added for Deluxe. Yes, and they added stuff to it So it's still another separate kind of quote-unquote release of it, but even though it's technically the same game But come on six years down the road and a platform that's kind of going bye-bye He sees me sparking. He's like, I don't want to blast me. I'm like am I actually gonna blast you I think This is a common thing with Nintendo games Like, you know, if we continue the conversation, I don't I mean the best deal You know if we just before I get into that comment just talk about what games are like the best deals or interest me I don't have a 3ds right now because I'm all in on switch But if I did have a 3ds, I believe it or not never played Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon So a $15 price over 40. I will jump in on that if I had a 3ds I'm trying to figure out which one and I really want to play final echoes So I would maybe consider that at 30. That is actually a newer game In terms of well in comparison to every other game on the platform, I think it's the newest game Yeah, I had dark moon. Yeah, so and that would be both the only one that interests me on here, too So like I said, I thought of echoes. I'd be all up on that But again, I don't own a 3ds and that hit here's the thing That's the newest game on here. So to your point about game price and Nintendo does not reduce the price of their games You can find them cheaper. Yeah, especially if you're an Amazon Prime member You get like sometimes 15 to 20 percent off of brand new games even Nintendo games A new pre-order and then they also regularly discount like they'll knock down like I think you can get Pokemon Omega Ruby, which they're charging 20. I think you can get over almost 30 bucks on Amazon Because Amazon will like they'll have an extra stock. So they'll just start chopping down the price themselves But that doesn't mean, you know, when they need to order new copies They're not getting a discount on that Nintendo's still charging the normal price because they're suggested retail prices still 40 bucks Nintendo does not reduce the price of games I mean if you think about this new Super Mario Bros. 2 was one of the early games now to be fair It is 30 now instead of 40 My card 7 was one of the early games is 30 now instead of 40 So these are actually cases of rare cases where Nintendo has actually reduced the price since launch But then you have games. Yeah, new Super Mario's broke like to make a rule make a Ruby by the way This doesn't this isn't even Omega Sapphire or whatever. This is only the Ruby version. Yeah, that's a little weird and on top of that It's still $40 when ultra sun and ultra moons coming out at the same price when sunny moon just came out last year Yeah, so it's at least two generations behind by the time the sale happens. Yeah, and it's still 40 bucks Yeah, see this upsets me even more than say like Mario Kart 7. The Mario Kart 7 was the only Mario Kart came on the whole platform So it doesn't Mario Kart 8 can you go right for a 3S owner, right? But there's been two more Pokemon games for technically since Omega Ruby and they're still charging for generations Still charging for price and I know yeah, no, they're charging 20 I'm like, yeah, that's the sale goes back up the 40s And I realized Pokemon keeps selling and keeps selling and Nintendo's excuse to keep their game prices high is they don't feel their games devalue just because they're old and This is an argument that I I Agree with at some point because I know some people will say oh like a current time 3d was a good game No, it is a good. Oh, yeah It didn't stop me in a good game just because it came out in 2011, right? So I understand that argument in that gamers have a mentality that games are worthless the longer they've been on the shelf and a lot of that is because of I Wonder if this attitude would exist if the yearly releases weren't a thing, right? I because yeah this whole reducing game prices rapidly after release wasn't really a thing until the late in the Xbox 360 in PlayStation 3 life and it really was the games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty Yeah sports series games that came out every single year where obviously the values the closer you get to releasing the next game And you know when that next game is coming right versus like a breath of the wild We might not get another is all the game like that for three or four more years, right? So why would that reduce in value per se versus a game like Call of Duty when you get called to your World War 2? Just came out and they'll be a new Call of Duty next year So obviously, you know four months from now six months from now you're halfway to the next game Right be half off at least right. Yeah, that makes sense. I will agree that you know Well, that's that pricing though That's why other companies started doing it like Shadow of Ward It just came out the new the Lord of the Rings game that game is gonna be like 20 bucks in three months Yeah, because that's that these you know the release has started this trend And so now all third parties just do it with all their games kind of making people buy games launch suckers I know yeah, that's just kind of the way to your if you're a gamer on a budget You really should not be buying games at lunch, right unless it's on the Nintendo platform because they're not gonna get reduced No, we're that like the series games where they come out that is kind of more of my My beef is that they've we've had more games of that series since yeah That's why the wager Ruby price means sleeping 40. I'm like really. Yeah, that's listen That's not even down at 30 like and it's so 40 bucks brain right and and you know, so that's kind of where my Anger layers is more of the in these series games I understand like your point with breath the wild and like Odyssey and stuff like that We're kind of like Mark our seven is upset as you might be at that price technically That is very true Right, but it's just right and it just kind of feels like it's Six years old I think Nintendo I don't have a problem with their pricing like saying that their games don't lose value because well I mean great games are always there are there are NES games that are freaking worth a crazy ton of money great games are always worth money and always great The rest of the wild you know this holiday isn't worth any less now than it wasn't launch back in March I mean in my mind, it's not this is my favorite game all time a little bias there, but I feel like It's not so much that I think Nintendo needs to reduce their like reduce the price of their games You know as rapidly as other companies do And the thing is someone's gonna bring up what they do the Nintendo selects or like the best of Yes, they do they do have $20 games again We you 30 and they'll bet you have it on switch or they take some of their top-selling games from years past I make them 20 bucks and that's fine. I don't understand they do that, but it's so rare I would rather like see that breath of the wild this holiday sure it's 60 bucks Next holiday it should be 40 Mm-hmm Hey, you know even you can say even less you could say I don't know with with how big of a game If they pack in the DLC make right keep it at 60 with DLC right if it doesn't pack You know like Mario Odyssey it's probably gonna be 60 bucks a year from now That's fine, but the holiday after when we hit that two-year mark from release. I'm sorry It shouldn't be 60 anymore I'm not saying that because the game's not worth that in terms of it's how awesome the game is I'm saying that because one more games will have come out and to The sales of that game are probably gonna be boosted by reducing the price Right, and I feel like that's what Nintendo doesn't necessarily take advantage of is while their games are evergreen Odyssey Mario Kart Splatoon, you know Zelda these games are gonna be selling every single month for months and months and months for for the duration of switch You could still see a boost in sales if you would just reduce the price once in a while Right doesn't need to be right rapid fire once Every year and a half. Yeah. Yeah yearly game or or piece of Pokemon, right? Yeah, that that's but then again is that Nintendo's But is that Nintendo's doing or is that Nintendo makes a huge chunk of profits off it So I'm sure they get I'm sure they probably have a say on it. Yeah, because they yeah, they definitely have a say I mean the third platform to it comes on. So yeah, I think They're getting away with it But I feel like the Pokemon games especially because those aren't yearly, but they feel like they're every other year When a new generation hits the old generation should come down 10 bucks right at the very least Omega Ruby is out That's great. Sun and moon releases that should be 30 bucks Ultra Sun ultra moon that should be 20 bucks very easy way to reduce the price Oh for sure those games that release more rapid fire Yeah, Nintendo doesn't have a lot of games that do that, but the ones that do like Pokemon I'm gone gotta reduce that a little faster than that for Omega Ruby to still have an MSRP of 39 99 When ultra Sun moon is coming out at 39 is just yeah, it's ridiculous. Oh very much so ridiculous We know Pokemon switch is going to be 60. No, right, so it's like Sun and moon still gonna be selling a full price of 40 when Pokemon switch comes out you bam I'll believe it is. Yeah, and it's ready. That's why you can be retired by them. They're still gonna be selling it for 40 it's an Interesting situation and the thing is what would I actually find really interesting about this is despite the 3ds being out longer and having The bigger library games and the ability to reduce prices on more on like they can be selling 3ds Excels with bundles that could be selling 2ds excels with bundles You know that just came out and instead the switch list is almost more impressive than the 3ds list Oh for sure, and the switch isn't even been out a year So I wonder if even Best Buy is like hey our 3ds sales aren't that good anyways So we're gonna have a bunch of sales on switch games instead of three Right because 3ds is a huge library of games that could be having sales on or bundling them together Sure, and so they're like look we're gonna do the dr. Time 2ds bundle because I think that's being pushed by Nintendo themselves, right? Because that's a brand new announcement, and then yeah, they're pretty much like yeah Here's a cut. Here's a few games, but yeah, you should be buying switch You know how I keep saying that 3ds is cannibalizing switch or I'm sorry switches cannibalizing 3ds and people like no It's not you don't know what that means well Here's a prime example at least at the best buy sales where there's no reason there shouldn't be better better deals for 3ds games And so yeah getting like the best deal yeah By far and you can argue well There's no first-party games in there. You're right But switch hasn't even been out a year right got done talking about how they don't do sales and first-party right so I mean they still have decent games in there. We're talking about you know the sake of five complete a huge JRPG We're talking about you know even games like Bomberman and Sonic forces You know pooh you pooh you touch us FIFA 18 as much as I chastise it still FIFA 18 You know 30 bucks up and this is you know opposite some of the smaller games You know Minecraft story mode the complete adventure. I know that's pretty popular with some people We're talking about games that people actually might care about buying I mean Raymond legends definitive edition if I hadn't already beaten the game on we you I'd probably buy that too And I again I want to own all these physical games, but I don't know Let's move on to our next topic then we've talked a little bit about it already third parties We have some comments here from third-party companies And I have something to add on at the end so Eric. I'm gonna have you read through 2ks comments and Marvelous comments, and I'll read the rest. Okay So two case comments on NBA 2k 18 on the switch In addition to versions for Xbox PlayStation and PC 2k 18 is our debut offering or yeah, yep. Yeah, good god. I can't read today. I can't do anything today Yeah, right. Oh god. It was bad at the end of work there. I couldn't type or the squat So debut offering for the Nintendo switch so far We're very pleased with the titles performance on this new platform And we anticipate continued strong demand across all platforms heading into the holiday season Along with growth in sales the game sales are 2k NBA 2k series continues to benefit from increasing engagement in your current consumer spending again One thing I didn't know about this is 2k now like 50% of the revenue is now from Extra transactions on games 50% of all the revenue So when they talk about, you know increased engagement and recurring consumer spending That's what they're talking about my words as much as we might hate all the micro transaction PC stuff, especially in my career on NBA 2k 18 It's financially working. They're not gonna stop right. We spoke with our wallets folks Yeah, that's about how it works. All right, move on the marvelous Marvelous, okay. Oh, we know. I'm sorry the general comments. Yes. Sorry. My man I'm skipping ahead. Oh, you want me to take the general comments aside from 2k as well. Yeah, okay Take two chief executive officer Strauss Sure sure probably butchered it Has said that the switch install base is growing quite rapidly and they find it a positive or potentially exciting platform Sorry, okay, you only have to go through marvelous Marvelous Good god, okay marvelous confirm that they do not or they do have more switch support on the way including both ports In new titles no t-tails on these games were given to give you guys an example of some of the marvelous games I wrote down some here because at first when I said when I was putting on this quote and I'm like I don't even know what what games did they make? Yeah, why should I care? you know that they are making bunch of games for switch and Turns out they've made games like story of seasons monster hunter stories and no they don't control whether they get to make monster hunters So now that's up to Capcom Fate slash Xtella pretty big franchise the umbra star was the last one I made of a holla knights They are believed the publishers on Travis strikes again. No more heroes. So again, I know some people are anticipating that game They have you know some some backing in that and here's some games that some people might really care about harvest moon Yeah, they've made almost every harvest moon game nice and the rune factory games Which are kind of similar to harvest moon, but in different way and then we went to Some other this is some publishers you guys have probably heard of like Ubisoft Uh did a video on this earlier, but on 19 percent of their sales in quarter two came from Nintendo switch that's crazy in comparison to 20 percent they came from xbox one and 31 or 32 percent that came from PlayStation 4 and the rest came from like pc and Other random which I assume they mean mobile games or something. That's crazy. Yeah, that's really crazy considering the install base switch Considering that majority of those sales were probably marty plus ravins kingdom metal. Yeah, I mean obviously Otherwise just dance but just dance released in q3 Just dance 2017 was out, but I'm pretty sure that was released in q1 and I don't think that that's sold very well Right. I mean it was a late release of a game that only sells during the holidays, right? Square enix another big company they had a lot to say About switch and this and the by way all this reporting comes with these companies financial reports because it's the end of q2 Enter well, we're actually in q3 right now, but this is their quarter two meetings About what's happening and there is always really really big ones because these are the meetings that happened right before holiday So there's a lot of because I think something like a third Or half of the industry's revenue is made during the holidays so That doesn't doesn't spread so the q3 reports obviously going to be huge as well because that's going to be Hey, how do we do that during the holidays? um Ubi's website square enix, uh, they say that well project autopad traveler and dragon quest 11 On switch seem to be on track for next year or next fiscal year. That's important because that means after march in 2018 um Switch's momentum is strong and nintendo is doing great, uh, and it's good for square enix apparently even though I don't think they have a game out yet Uh switch is ideal for middle-range games says square enix Uh, and square enix is really good at making those kind of games like bravely default as an example would probably be one of their Games that released on 3ds. That would be middle-range So they're gonna work on games like that aggressively. What's not noticed here is they also said Um, when they're working on those middle-range games, they would probably make them multi-platform So while project autopad travelers is exclusive. We shouldn't get used to that. Um, right, which one? You know, the thing is I don't have a problem with that More people should be able to enjoy the games right and they're a third-party company So they really should be worried about exclusives. But yeah anyways, and I I mean like Just a small little incident, uh You know like if it's not like it's nintendo. It's not like it's sony. It's not like it's microsoft coming over the game Ubisoft we're making a mario combined with one of the right right right right. It's it's those I can understand being You know exclusive because they're that company's Thing but if it's you know third party more power to them to get it on them as many consoles as they can Yeah, I don't even know why project autopad travelers exclusive Nintendo might have paid pretty penny to But it's a middle-range game. I don't know why they would do that I don't know. I mean, it's not like they're an indie developer that needs some money So I'm sure you know, I don't know and dragon quest 11's been on all platforms. So that's you know, it's just a late part to switch um and then it says uh When they're considering games for switch and this is what makes the middle-range comment really weird When considering games for switch scare sweariness will not rule out any of their IPs This includes new IPs currently active ones and IPs that might not be active right now um So that comment I find very very interesting just because first they say middle-range games They think are the best for switch with them. They're like, yeah, but we're gonna consider every IP We have which gives people hope for the final fantasy 15 port that people want And all that stuff. So that's very interesting And we know that they want a port finalized 15 to switch and they were thinking about moving it to unreal engine But we haven't heard any updates since no guarantee. It's coming to the platform. It's just they're highly interested in bringing it to the platform um And there's some notes in here that are actually going to make that very interesting to talk about as well Uh, sweariness also said that new switch games may become multi-platform Um, so that might be an indication that project autobahn travelers Might be just a timed exclusive. Yeah, and then there's also that one um And then it says uh, but square enix promises to aggressively make games for switch aggressively That's awesome. They are not dismissing the switch at all Hey, ea take note and they go on to say this is an important note too because we've heard that some people say this We haven't heard a third-party company come out and say this switches core architecture is similar to playstation 4 and xbox one Some adjustment is necessary, but multi-platform games are not impossible um So yeah Remember when uh, some people were like, oh the switch is underpowered in this net. Yeah, it's underpowered But because of the architecture structure from nvidia It's not that hard to port games to it. You just have to adjust the games to work on the platform Example doom I But you know what I mean? Wolfenstein 2 the new class is like again these games could run on switch It's just you have to make some sacrifices and some adjustments. So again Unlike we you which was vastly different in architecture Kind of running out of excuses this generation to not bring games unless you're and this is always a valid excuse I will say that switch does not provide you enough power to present the game The way you wish it would be presented I can understand that because then you're saying look, we don't want our games at 720p We don't want them at 30 fps. We don't want them at the we want super super Like like we feel the giant draw distance and horizon zero dawn is important to the game Obviously, it's a playstation 4 exclusive But if that was multi-platform then they can see where they might not want them on switch But again, right, that's not what's being said if that was one of the excuses given it's a right Yeah, the switch it doesn't fit your vision for the game, but a lot of these games Come on switch can do And the last one I'd order this one in not because it's necessarily a big AAA developer But the devs behind system shock started a kick starter. I don't know if you guys remember system shock kind of a Excuse me. Wow. I have a popular game semi popular game Back during the 90s. There was system shock and system shock 2. I played them on pc I'm not sure if they ever came out on console. They started a kick starter Uh and on the kick starter surprisingly They want to remake system shock and it includes a switch version Nice So again, I'm not even sure if system check ever came to pc or came to consoles and if it did I don't remember it. I played it on pc. So That's very very interesting to me. So Lots and lots of good news from third party. Yeah, um Hey, take no game announcements, which you're not gonna game announcements out of financial brief, right, but Yeah, yeah What what's the thing that most excites you out of all the stuff that was said, I mean, um, these are major companies, right, right, right Um, the fact that that square enix said that they're gonna aggressively make games for the switch That's that's a commitment. That is awesome. Like 2k could talk positively about sales Uh, you know other companies, you know, you can mention things that are nice, but oh Yeah, aggressive. That's that's like, we're not just playing around. Yeah, we have a bunch of titles coming We just can't tell you and apparently ubi soft needs to make more games for the switch Because 19 percent of their their profit is sales coming in in from the switch. That's crazy Now I do worry That it only so because of mario. Let's just be real if it didn't have mario in the game people want about it, right Um, that doesn't change how good the game is. I don't know because we don't know what the game would have been like without mario but what I will say is Games like mario plus rabbits kingdom at all one, there better be a damn sequel Right. I'm sorry. It can be same generation of sequel. This isn't a game or a budding franchise that needs to be One for platform. This is a game that people play for the levels and for the bosses and the weapons You can just make more of the same make more of the same and Every heck maybe this time the mushroom kingdom invades the rabbit. Whoa Yozers, yeah, just just say it. Yeah, and all of a sudden all of a sudden you flip the script and you have Rabbids being taken over by goombas and crazy stuff going on. I mean this could be Insane how they could make that work. Yeah, and we know rabbits had to exist in the quote-unquote real world. Yeah So It would be very very interesting and I want to hear that mario can't do it because new long city is a thing Yeah, so shush it Besides the rabbits are in that world. So let's just Yeah, um, and he was like new long city is more realistic than anything the rabbits that I ever produced even in the cartoon Oh, yeah. Yeah for sure. Um, but the cartoon series. Yes. The cartoon series is amazing. It's my favorite part of rabbits Oh, yeah But I think While this doesn't prove that ubisoft games can sell on switch because again Heavily reliant on the mario ip I think what this can do is it reduces the risk for ubisoft to release games because while ubisoft abandoned switch Or switch not sorry we you even though they gave it a good, you know Two plus year run or a year and a half to your run of releasing quality games from watch dogs and assassin's creed two different assassin's creed games Um and all that stuff and zombie you it never really had that one game that besides just dance, of course Right that was a hit That could offset losses elsewhere Mario plus rabbit kingdom medal with it being as successful It is still successful made up almost 20 percent of their total business in the quarter And still not have holiday sales for the ad who knows how many people are gonna pick up odyssey and grab kingdom medal right along with it Because they're gonna be right next to each other in the story. Um When you see stuff like that happening It makes me realize that now is the time for ubisoft to dive in Because even if they have not gonna release assassin's creed origins, maybe they just can't But they bring their next assassin's creed. Uh, they're you know, they poured even like the division Which is using the snow drop engine, which is what we talked about this before a snow drop engine Is their current gen engine? That's what this game was built on mario plus rabbit kingdom medal That's what the vision was built on the vision was the first game to launch in that engine So you can see a division port you can see future assassin's creeds will probably built in snow drops So you can see a port of the next assassin's creed game Um, especially, you know, if the next assassin's creed game can even be you know remotely as good as origins Origins is reviewed very well um So what I would like to see then is that ubisoft says look We don't know if assassin's creed or the vision or any of these games you bring over are going to sell But we know that mario plus rabbit kingdom medal will so if we're working on a second game in there That's going to offset any potential losses We might get by taking our risk by putting assassin's creed out there because they have that successful ip They know it's going to sell plus, you know, just dance is obviously still selling it off to keep making it I think if you're going to release it this year on we still so Oh For what like pennies on the dollar? I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's not 60 bucks. I better not be I thought we just I thought we just talked about it. It's a brand new game. I thought we just talked about this It's a brand new game. Oh, yeah. Okay. It is. I just dance 2018. Yes I own just dance 2017 on switch I do. Yeah. Yeah. It was one of the first games I bought from the platform Yeah, I like a little I like getting a little crazy fat. You guys have seen me dance on live stream before I was doing where is it? It's not public Um, but I've danced. I've danced to just dance on live stream. Um, maybe here's the deal folks We get the 50k by e3 next year on our youtube channel. I'll I'll do some just dance 2018 for you guys live Oh boy in celebration There you go. All these people always request me to dance again We gotta do it get your friends get your friends get your friends are following the channel if you want to see a fat guy dance again I'm show off my moves Uh, the funny thing is I'm not actually that good. Well, I was really really good at just dance 2015 2017 I wasn't too. Yeah, it always depends on what songs they include If I really really like the song and then I care to actually get good at the dance Right, if I don't like the song then I'm like, whatever. I'm doing half flips and other stuff Yeah, yeah, right Okay, or I'm just gonna start to memorize it and memorize it and bring it on in the dance floor. Yeah Uh, so ubi soft, uh, I'm sorry square unix is the one you're excited about Um, yeah, is there any games from square unix you want to see in particular? Yeah, I'll be Not anything that I can think off the top of my head, but I can think of one one besides one fans 15, which are Yeah, yeah Secret amount of each day. Oh, yeah Not coming to switch for some reason, but they're aggressively pursuing Wait, what? No, it's not it's not enough for switch. They said they're not bringing to the switch Officially enough it's not coming to the turn to switch. I want to see them in 2018 turn on be like, we're sorry We made a mistake should have been like, so yeah, there's no way that game can't run a switch Basically the exact same settings as all the it's not that visually impressive that they were the remaster And I'm sorry it used to be my favorite game of all time It's gonna say in order to used to run on a freaking at that no platform Well, it's remastered. So it's not like the same visuals per se. Oh, right, but still but and now it's got full voice acting I think Which is fine. I don't like but still not on so when it was a nintendo platform exclusive game Right not coming back out on the nintendo platform, right? That's that's time That's a part confused the heck out of me. I understand how we you yeah at a time when nintendo has a highly popular Oh, yeah, for sure. They can run the game. Oh for sure And at a time when the original version just released again on this nest classic Yeah, right. So it's like Wait, what? It makes the most sense with nintendo fans of the ones most likely to buy this game for sure. Oh man. So yeah, they I'm assuming when they say aggressively pursuing they've also aggressively Uh, rethought their stance on switch with this game. They better have because it I'm not only just because it's one of my favorite games. It's just it makes too much sense. Why wouldn't you bring the switch? Yeah, it's just I was upset when they announced it. It's why I didn't report on it much I made one little mess like thing about it. I'm like, dude, how is this game not coming to switch Regardless of what I think of the visuals or anything else they're doing to the game Why is it not on switch? Right? That's what's most upsetting forget if the game's actually I mean, it's the secret of mine It's gotta still be good. Yeah, right, but I mean, oh so bad. So it makes me upset um Here's a hot take on secret of mana at least the original release When some people ask me, you know, why is secret of mana been one of my favorite games all time? And I'm gonna have to say this skin on a q&a later this week, but that's okay. You'll hear it before you hear this podcast um secret of mana to me Is the only video game I have ever played that If we're talking about perfection, I can't think of a single fault in that game And it's weird because I could think of faults on breath of the wild, but I still like breath of the wild more Um, and that goes to prove that you know, how you rank video games or how you get perfect tensile Doesn't necessarily mean that the game is flawless, but to me secret of mana was flawless Now when I play the remake I might have issues in the big oh, that was the issue with the original game I'm like, um Something they did in the remake made us stand out a hell of a lot more than back then so we'll see uh for me though man Obviously I talked about ubi so i'm pretty excited because there's a lot of ubi stuff games. I really really like um one idea I wanted to bring up was 2k now From the sounds of it, you know, they're basically saying that 2k 18, you know, it says they're very pleased with the title's performance on the new platform Meaning that it must have met Expectations and maybe even exceeded it a little bit not so much so they'd be like, oh my god It massively exceeded our expert But it it's sold to a point that they're pleased that they brought the game to the platform That means that's really good news to me because I love NBA 2k Despite the tissues and even though most of it's all patched now um, yeah And and and blood cells now on the box So I just had to find a way to bring that up as well. Did you check it? What did you check it? Oh, I didn't know if you because I know you saw the update for 2k 18. I didn't know if you I don't if he's not i'm gonna put him on the box with him because But um What what's interesting here is that obviously 2k 19? This is probably gonna happen next year on switch will be because they tried a 2k game on wii u didn't sell enough never saw it again So this to me sounds like the sales are good enough to justify 2k 19 The fact that they're really excited about the potential In switch because of how well it's selling meaning that they might even think they can sell you a more copies of 2k 19 This will be a bigger install base and they will have already had 2k 18 Which I always think helps with future sales on yearly releases If you're there year one and you keep ringing it out That's why I think if call of duty world war two would have been here this year The next call of duty next year will perform better than if they decided to ring call of duty next year Um, and again, we'll never have proof of that because we didn't get a call right right, um But that's just my belief that you could build an audience faster if you're there day one, um What excites me about this and this is something we briefly talked about before I want Nintendo to get on the phone with 2k and look you're really happy about this Really happy about that really happy about the potential to switch. Here's the potential for you We're bringing nfl 2k 5 back. We'll pay for it Well, not even 2k 5 but 2k 19 a new nfl game and we're just gonna because ea ea is jump shit All the tenders to say is bye. We're done with you ea. We're done We know you because the thing is the madden exclusivity license with nfl only exists if there's a madden game on the platform There's no madden game on switch. So another nfl game can come out on switch Using nfl logos and nfl all that stuff. Uh, so all the tenders to be like, look, we're gonna MLB the show this bad boy We're gonna We're playstation 4 basically destroyed the 2k baseball game right by releasing MLB the show and just having to be that much better So while this won't destroy madden because it's exclusive on switch They could end up bringing over a large chunk of the madden fan base and they found wait a second First off remastered you could start out just by remastered 2k 5 for next year And just met modern team modern rosters Yeah remastered 2k 5 and then be like hey, but we're bringing 2k 20 the next year full brand new nfl 2k game Nintendo and like what about madden? No, nintendo has already told the ea madden's never allowed on their platform You can bring other games if you want, but if this makes you not happy with us, whatever Like all the people saying oh, bye. Bye. We don't need ea I will agree with you if and if nintendo gives them the finger and partners with 2k. It's a sorry We know that this is a huge thing We can release a game at 40 bucks even it was 20 bucks back in the day make it 40 bucks instead of 60 And have it be switch exclusive and potentially like like that was the one thing they try 2k try competing against madden with all pro. Yeah Which was a great game what you use all the the legendary like it was it was a really good football game Problem is they're using all these legendary players because that's all you can use right and you can't use an nfl logo You don't get any of the nfl branding Or any of the current day like erin rogers or anything like any of the current day popular players Which meant that you're only only going to appeal to people who know who these like john lway is right You feel like who doesn't know john lway a lot of younger people that are watching football today I don't know who these people are really they might know john lway as oh, yeah, he's the guy that runs the Denver Broncos right Not as a quarterback Yeah, so it's they might not even know that depends on how in depth they know about more than just their own team right, right big nfl fans over here if you can't tell so That like I know that that's like major wishful thinking But it's one of those things that even if 2k sees this like I would like to see 2k reach out And then we'll be like well, we see ea is not too happy What would you think about just telling them they can't bring that game over but we will produce for you an nfl franchise Uh, you guys can publish it so it releases worldwide or whatever We'll make it we'll put some financial backing in it you put a little backing and all we really need for you Nintendo is to tell ea that can never release that Because we can use the nfl licensing now What happens if They wanted to release is that Based on just nintendo basically saying yes or no any game that comes on the platform It's their platform. They can block any game they want. Okay. Everything has to get approved by nintendo. There's never a proof okay Yeah, mr. Window I could have locked it by releasing even a crappy version of madden this year That would have blocked any possibility of an nfl 2k game, but Didn't happen Like FIFA or contracts says they have to release on every platform We don't know how strict that is if they would have been in trouble if they didn't release in switch or if they Maybe not they might have gotten a leeway for this year Just because of how but madden doesn't say they have to release on every platform And you know that because there hasn't been a madden on pc since 2007 right um Thanks. Yeah pc version was always awesome, but Being able to have that compete and pull nfl be the show and basically look We're not going to kill it, but we're going to create a whole brand new market and we're going to make a game That's quote-unquote better, but you probably will be or if it's not better. It'll at least be on par It'll be a good nfl game. Right. That's different. Um, you know, like I know I hate Sometimes hate it or something like that, but I kind of hated the fatigue I would get when you could just hold on to several buttons right yet. It's happened. Yeah Like I know some people like oh that sounds lame. I'm like But it's realistic as my thumb gets tired the player should be getting more right I'm mad and it's like oh, we have like this stamina bar and it's not until it gets to absolutely nothing that your guy slows down Right, and hey, if you have 99 stamina, it's just never gonna hit nothing Okay, come on. Even people with 99 stamina. They get tired. Yeah, let's just be real um But yeah, I think it's I like madden, but I think I like madden just because it's the only nfl game out there I think if there was a A game that could you know another nfl game. I would be all over that because 2k 5 Yeah back in the day Way better than other features in 2k 5 that I think most of them have been implemented now, but there's still some that are missing Yes being highlights. Yeah highlights are missing. That's saying, you know, you bring back the espm partnership into the more mix There's a lot of things they could do Although espm is kind of fall apart. You know Yeah They've had some rating drops, but so it's all cable tv. Yeah, true um What's interesting I think about that is if nintendo did that And they partnered with 2k and they somehow partnered with the nfl network Which is an official nfl branded thing for like their post game and pre game stuff because if that happens That could even tell ea that yeah, we might not be renewing This exclusivity contract. That'd be nice Because these guys are being innovative and doing something and that they wouldn't do it right away Right, but like if the first couple games blow up on switch, but uh, it's cheaper selling way better On a platform that doesn't have football games Right and it's taking away from your sales because people are migrating over to switch just to play and right 2k Um, yeah, anyways, I was just all wishful thinking. We don't it's probably not gonna happen. No, but 2k get on it I say that but who would have thought years ago that's so many of all people Would have came up with that won't be the show. No and took over an american sport like that Yeah in in in the baseball realm. So that's why I'm like, I'm not gonna say never they have a company here That's same positive things already released in one of their games. They say is a success They see a lot of potential So capitalize on that and bring out something that there's a lot of people out of the platforms That just wanted to exist at all right and they realize that it's not 2k's fault. They can't release it on other platforms They just want to exist, right? I don't know. That's why I'm excited because I just feel like It's not gonna happen, but it should happen Anyways, all right, so yeah, I'm just excited obviously about the potential 2k and obviously square unix I know they don't control Tomb Raider anymore because they don't control the studio anymore, but it's just Maybe they own the rights the of the two Tomb Raider games that came out so far So let them come on switch every night. I don't know. I'm just I've said this all along And this I think it's actually to do our next topic. Yeah, or no not quite No, that's actually well, no, we're gonna make topic for our next topic. It actually flows better into it. Um, got it this topic 4 talks about you know, how Nintendo's early 2018 slate only is curvy right right, or do you think that there is a plan? I think one part of that plan is third party support. I think it's blowing up in 2018 I know that some people can argue support for it so far hasn't been better than we you overall That's fine. You probably have a legit argument, right? I'm not gonna disagree I think I think the ports have been better, but again, you might have a legit argument that they're not better That's fine. I understand the arguments exist. I'm not gonna dispute that But in 2018, I think that's where the arguments are gonna cease to matter between we even switch for third parties Very clearly third parties are excited beyond EA for switch. So I think 2018 Yeah Telling you guys telling you Wolfenstein is not going to be it. There's gonna be more. Yeah, um, but Obviously that's third parties. Nintendo doesn't control them. Right. They can hope they can pray They can talk to them But they don't control whether or not they decided to raise these games So it is worth noting that for early 2018 They only right now have Kirby promised to release And we're talking early. We're talking winter slash early spring Maybe even the entire new spring to be fair. Um, should we be panicking about the fact that Only one game after xeno blade is slated to come out in like a five month slate. Um And One exclusive game because Wolfenstein might come out as well, but one exclusive game Um And do you think they have a plan because the one thing that's happened here in 2017 is there's basically like an exclusive game every other month Um, and now you might be looking at after december 1st It could be a while. Yeah Um, I I'm thinking I'm hoping that they're So to answer the question I think yes and no there should be some panic, but not All blowing out a proportions panic Um, the only reason why I say there should be some panic is because it is nintendo And nintendo could nintendo Meaning screw something up So Um that that does kind of seem some sort of raise a little bit of red flags But you know, I could see some of these ones some of these games that are coming out You know here recently, you know in the within the next month or so Carrying carrying at least for you know a little bit until they can find a another big game to come out Man, maybe there is some announcements that haven't even been made yet that are still slated to come out on in early 2018 I think that We have to remember when we're talking about this Is and I got this idea actually from a forum topic at reset era just like the xenoblade topics I asked you kind of came from there again. We still haven't got any fan topics You can submit your fan topics down in the comments below Um, or email them and if you want nathan and nintendo friend on that or tweet them at us I don't even care tweet at ninty prime Um, and I read everything that gets tweeted at us. So um Yeah, if your question is multiple ways to submit But here's the thing about about this is Before the nintendo switch event in january that they had the big live event where they announced want to switch And did that weird thing with us for two two God Yeah Before that event happened in january the only switch game we knew for sure was even calming was breath of the wild Right So heading into two months from launch. We technically only knew about one game Yeah, then that event happened and then we knew about a bunch of games Now granted we knew or had good feelings that skyrim was coming that nba was coming because that was in the reveal trailer But all companies are like, yeah, just because you saw that doesn't mean it's coming I remember that like what do you mean? So we saw that much skyrim but skyrim's not coming, right? Yeah, okay. Okay. It's just nintendo didn't want them to confirm anything Um Really weird. It's like why would you show it off? You don't want them to confirm it I don't say north of the talk about it. You at least say yeah, it's coming to switch But why would you why would you even show it if it's not even coming to switch then? I mean it's okay. Not coming to switch. Yeah, it's coming to switch. They're like, what could have been gonna be live doubtful But maybe because yeah, it doesn't like nintendo, right? Um but I think uh, that that's the one thing is that we could be seeing our nintendo direct in january So Even though curbie might be the only thing another maybe curbie's coming out in january once yoshi coming out Don't know tbd. Okay. I mean next year sometime, right, right? Even if they squeeze yoshi in there because it feels like yoshi and curbie are basically done Right at least because what we see and look like pretty complete game. Oh, yeah for sure So it's like all right those games are probably done and they're just holding on to release them whenever they feel like it Yeah, a little bit dead on curbie. We know for sure and now it's for early 2017 So that is going to be in early 2017 Unless it gets delayed again nintendo doesn't like things at times But those games I don't think I'm gonna get delayed I feel like They're gonna have that direct and that's when we're gonna find out. Okay. Here's our slate Here's when wolfenstein 2 is coming out here is when we are having fire because there's fire moment notes for next year Uh, they're probably not going to talk about pokemon yet. Not that that's something to wait for e3 if there's going to be pokemon next year um But I feel like that's when we're going to find out what other things that they have coming What more exclusives once octopath traveler coming out when when's these new games that we have announced Do we have a new mario party coming into the game the system? Do we have a new this? Do we have a new that? I don't know is there gonna be more dlc for zelda. This is the kind of stuff that gets announced then and then smash They update their release site for 2018 because right now they don't really have much They showed like a timeline at one point showing up. Oh, here's what we have coming in 2018. It was pretty sparse um And that's fine Because we're not at 2018 yet, but for sure. We also throw the game awards coming up On nintendo every year of the game awards so far has had some sort of major announcement at it Granite it's pretty much just all been zelda but It can't really be mario because that's already out. So if they have a major announcement this year Can't be zero by two because it's after that. So it's got to be Something smash I mean, I it would be pretty disappointing if after this whole year of we're advertising this to adults We're advertising switch to adults. They show up with uh with kirby. Yeah, okay Wrong audience for this tender. I love kirby man, but wrong audience at the game awards When you're handing out words or rising to a dawn call of duty, you got to have games that appeal to them That's yeah might be a good time I mean, I know it's probably way too early But then again, they showed off zelda back in 2014 and really still now they want to pull something like that again Could we see metro prime 4? Because that's the audience to show that game go yeah for sure Even if it's just like a 30 second thing where it's clearly not coming out anytime soon just like We're gonna show you a cutscene or we're gonna show you like a very early first play of fighting an enemy or something Uh, I know again You can argue it's too early But then if it's too early then it's too it's too early for us to know the game exists at all then Yes, we have a logo show us a little Just a tease a tease it could be two years away metro fans will just be happy to have a tease just a tip Just a tip Uh, if that's not the case, you know the smash obviously revealing a smash game that it would be I mean that would probably be the biggest thing they could do I know deluxe came out, but maybe even a new Mario Kart I mean it that's I don't I don't know what that means right all right Mario Kart feels everyone But I feel like their smash is deserved a more hardcore game right true So smash that would be good, especially if they can Include some some key characters even for franchises that maybe haven't released on switch yet Like what happens if they have the main character from final past 15 in it or they have uh You know even I mean sonic would probably be in it again because sonic forces sonic, uh, mania but Because I always feel like they include characters I mean I have one thing that would be interesting and this would have to be not necessarily Nintendo announcing it per se, but uh in partnership with square one thing we didn't talk about in the last topic is uh What if they announced that the resident seven resident evil not resident evil? Sorry final fantasy seven hd remakes coming to switch Because again, you could argue maybe that game doesn't even exist at this point because it's that Again screen exists just infamous for development issues with final fantasy for some reason It's just Issue after issue now. They're gonna release it in chapters like the telltale games, but then all that got delayed So no one it's coming. I mean another huge announcement gonna be kingdom hearts 3 Yeah coming I mean kingdom hearts has been on the central platforms before so kingdom hearts 3 coming to switch would just I know a lot of people would be happy even though obviously yes, it's not gonna be max resolution Yeah, we know doom is the worst version of doom on switch We know It's okay doesn't mean it's not fun. It's exactly we understand that like If they bought it through your phone, it's obviously the worst version of the game, but it's on your damn phone Right, that would be pretty impressive. I would love to see kingdom hearts 3 plus I don't think it would have to see a lot of like fps sacrifices. It'd be more like resolution Right, um, maybe so, you know the toy story world is not gonna exactly look like it does in the movie Um, or exceed the movie as it appears us to which is pretty impressive But maybe it will on handheld like if you watch toy story the movie Yeah, I think they put it on netflix and you watch it when netflix ever releases on the platform You watch netflix version of it then you play the game you might not notice the difference right on that screen right Uh Yeah, obviously that's like stuff that I hope is going to happen before You know at the game awards or even you know, I just think there's gonna be a director And I think it's going to ease a lot of this now. I didn't know before that Third-party games are gonna kind of carry the way right and I thought that could be a huge focus of the direction But look we don't have a lot of heavy hitters in the first half of 2018, but We have like two or three huge third-party games that in every month from now through summer Whether it's old ports or brand new games and that could very well carry the switch Based on the audience. It's already built up. Right. Um, so we'll see And again, this is gonna be I can't wait for the mpd report next month because this is a big month for switch This is the we need to prove third parties can sell on switch month Because when you have doom la noir skyrim and I understand skyrim is also getting another release We're getting the vr version now not on switch, but that's going on this month, too So we'll see how it could maybe perform better than the vr version Um, so you have those three games plus rocket league, which is relatively considered a big deal Yeah, um, by the way for all the people we don't want our microtransactions or our loot boxes. Have you played rocket league recently? Yeah So like everyone's like, oh, I don't want EA games because of microtransactions and loot boxes I'm like one we already have microtransactions on switch with certain games and two loot boxes are coming to so just Just let you know, it's got you you might not want it. That's fine. Don't buy the games I guess but you're also gonna Here's the thing I have like if you're going to be turned off from a game because of microtransactions and loot boxes It's fine But don't tell all the people don't have to buy it. Here's the thing I bought nba 2k 18 because I want nba 2k games on the switch So yes, it's got microtransactions. No, I don't agree with it. I don't I'll never spend a cent on it But I want the game So I want them I want to purchase the game to support the idea of bringing it back next year and the year after and the year after So it's like not just because I want to play it but also because I want this game to be here Um And You can not support the microtransactions just like I don't but I just won't purchase them The game is still great without them. All right. That's what I like about youtube It's still a great game without the microtransactions rocket league from what I hear still great Even if you never spend another extra cent, so And but that's you don't have to support like like it's kind of a gym sterling I brought up earlier. He doesn't he hates pre-order culture. So what he'll do Uh, so his pre-order doesn't count towards the numbers. They like to tout heading into release where the college He's like, this isn't a match pre-order calm duty game in the history of calm duty When it's like, oh, good god, you had like eight million in pre-orders That's awesome. And they'll announce that like a week before release just to only be like, yeah I'll still pre-order to pre install a digital version of the game or to like, you know Maybe get that exclusive dlc or something stupid. Yeah, but He'll do it like an hour before the game releases. So it doesn't actually count towards a few order numbers It just counts as a sale of the game. Like that's what it's like. Like you could still enjoy the game and not support the culture Um, yeah, that's the thing. If you don't support microtransaction culture, like I don't like channel or the loot boxes And there's a fine line though, too As long as you can play the game and have it be enjoyable Without having to purchase them That's where the balance has to come in. That's the thing. I feel like if you bought me a 2k18 from my career mode Sorry, that sucks because I might say and you can't do well on the game without Spending money, but it's heavily skewed to the fact that you're 90 probability You're not going to do well on the game without spending money Right. Um, if you just play it and want to progress your player, maybe you'll get to an 80 overall by the end I don't know, but you want to get to the road to 99 Good luck without spending money. Um, no matter how many seasons you play through it doesn't matter Uh, how many extra bonus curricular activity like I don't even do any of the bonus stuff because I'm not interested like this world They built. I'm sorry. I'm not interested in it. I just want to play the games Yeah, and make my star better practice playing practice playing. It's all I care about I don't care about the street games because guess what? If you are a player in the nba, you're not allowed to actually do any of this stuff in real life It's in your contract. You can't do this stuff because it risks injury Yeah, so while it's a game and it's not going to injure me. It's still like This is not even that fun for me as just someone playing it let alone as it actually allowed as an nba player. So Yeah And I don't know interest in doing this is an nba street I want to make a 99 nba player and nba is like, okay Deck out my pad buy some sick cars You should why is there not an ability to go car shopping and just drive around in that stupid three street area in a Sick car like why not, you know, it should basically be like A cribs You know that called my crib an animal crossing kind of like here's your big here's mansion design your own mansion Wasn't that part of 2k 5? I don't remember. I think so. I don't remember there was something in there about your crib Yeah, getting like trophies and stuff you put in it But oh, yeah, you could use to be the custom designer little man cave. Yeah, that with the packer lights is the yeah Something like that again 2k bring bring an nfo game to the Nintendo just tell him like we understand that he is gonna be mad Do you really need EA they pumped you up before switch came out and then this We don't really know. We're probably not gonna be there. Yeah, right If they don't want to support you I support them Exactly, especially if you can create a lot of good will right a lot of people if you're like, hey look We're gonna bring the exclusive You know nfo game back. Um I really don't want to do that I guess get get a hold of the people that make quarterback club or something 2k I think makes the most sense especially since they're actually happy with the performance of great um So you have a good working partnership is basically I'm saying you already have a good working relationship I I'm not worried though about 2018 yet. Now if we get to that nintendo direct or the nintendo rector doesn't even happen Yeah, so it's like one of these let's get back to this again, but in the january and be like, okay Yeah, Kirby's coming. Wolfenstein's coming and Nothing till e3 That is I think what a lot of people are worried about they blew their wad in 2017 and now It's gonna be a a six month wait or so before it kicks back into gear again I hope that's not the case right because I think a lot of us But correct me if I'm wrong We you and 3ds had huge long droughts. We you had a nine month drought like after launch I know lego city launched in there, uh, but again wasn't exclusive. Well, actually was exclusive at the time But it wasn't a nintendo game So we're talking even and even after that it was still like another five months before we saw another game Like an exclusive like a good quality exclusive game So and that ended up being pigment three so the huge drought there 3ds infamous for like its entire first year The best game was alternative time 3d, which is a remake right until mario kart 7 came out right and uh Super mario 3d land so like until those games came out there was like nothing So you have like six plus months and nothing on 3ds, um with pilot wings, which wasn't very good on 3ds and Occult time 3d, which was a remake. So you're like, okay, so you have these long droughts and the 3ds droughts got better after that I think part of the reason i'm excited for switch in why I sat down my 3ds Is the idea that it is a hybrid right like nintendo tells us the hybrid they say it's a home console first But it's a hybrid home console you can take on the go and as a hybrid i expect nintendo's 100 effort of all their games on one platform so That's what i expect nintendo's never told me that's gonna happen So to be fair nintendo never did ink bling no i get the feeling but nintendo has never outright said look We're making all of our games for gaming platforms for switch. They haven't said that so Maybe that's why I just assumed there would never be Never never be a drought Because why would there be if they're making all they've never ever in the history of nintendo made all their games for a single platform They've had game boy around since shortly after the nes launch So it's like they've always been supporting two platforms and they're still going to be because they're still making mobile phone games But in terms of their console games, they put them all on one system mobile phone games are kind of i don't The releasing two to three of them, but no no i know but that's not i don't see it taking away a ton of Causing a drought No, i don't think i think what they have is they have like one or two teams That make nothing but mobile games right and they're just going to keep this Whereas you know like an actual other platform like the 3ds that might cause a drought I think about it like mario kart you could argue that maybe there was two teams I know for sure there was two zelda teams one that made handheld games one that made console You just have them all work on one game at a time or make two games for the same platform, right? um, so i feel like there should be Less reason less excuse for there to ever be a drought of nintendo content Um, but again, we'll see we don't know i'm not worried yet because again If that i was worried then um, then i needed to be worried last january until the event happened and then boom all your worries were gone yeah, um, so After january, i will i think we're gonna be at this time be like, okay How's the 2018 looking right now after being a little worried heading into 2018 being like, okay The first half of 2018 doesn't look like it has much. So we'll see what happens then So we're gonna go to our final topic then and original topic three surprise surprise pokemon ultra sun and moon have leaked Kinda And i'm putting the kind of here because i don't believe there's a playable ramo yet By the time you listen to this podcast, there might be a playable ramo But again spoken at the time of recording pokemon ultra sun ultra moon doesn't come out for like a week and a half so There's that Um, and obviously we know pokemon i think we was pokemon moon leaked last year We don't intend to start cracking down after a really a real leak of a re-release remastering of like Mario plus bowser's kingdom something something saga luigi, so i don't know i don't remember it's a game I played a bunch on ds, but i honestly forget what it's called So that doesn't mean i don't like it. It just wasn't a game that stuck with me in my mind is something Amazing In fact, the other reason i even think about it now is because of nintendo's response to that game leaking right So it's a leaked kind of now This is where where we know that uh, so the full game has a leak Now i do note that as far as we're aware might be by the time you listen to this at the time We're not working under the assumption that's happened won't be surprised because again moon leaked but um From what we're able to tell from what i'm able to dissect out of all the research i've done On where all these leaks are coming from the leaks are coming from review copies of games rather than early The fell off the truck copies or whatever um The leaks themselves were by the way, we're not going to go over any spoilers Where we're going to have a conversation on game leaks um The leaks that they have so far include new pokemon Uh evolutions of some of those pokemon including like some ripped models um A little bit of information on the story again. I didn't read the stuff in the story I just saw some Some stuff about it like this is a post about some of the story um And blah blah and all this info is coming through forums and other avenues That are anonymous and while you might think that oh, maybe these leaks are fake like as an example Oh, if they release a 4chan, how do you know they're real? People in video game media that have copies of the game have said on twitter We hate to tell you guys this but those leaks are real So they're not leaking it, you know certain outlets aren't leaking themselves with the same They're confirming that they're saying the leaks are are a thing like someone out there one or two people with review copies are basically ruining it for everyone else um Again, we're not talking about a full game leak yet. Hopefully that doesn't happen Right And if it does happen like the day before release someone could have just gotten an early copy it happens Then you wouldn't really necessarily have to blame the media But here's my thing Since it appears these leaks are coming from someone in the media, whether it's a youtuber Or you know someone at a small site or maybe it's even someone who works at a big publication We don't know right because because of how the information is leaking It's very hard to track it down Because that might be why the game hasn't released yet itself because nintendo is able to track down Who leaked the game or at least what outlet leaked the game right because they were able to do that last time and yet They still punished everyone they punished everyone I'm sure the person themselves probably really got punished even extra in addition to like We're never talking to you again. You're blacklisted for everything I won't even be surprised that they're like, yeah, you leaked the game So like if you make youtube because it came from a youtuber Guess what any nintendo video you put up that's any sort of footage we're taking out Yeah, I won't even describe like nintendo needs to crack down hard They haven't announced that and that person probably can't say anything I'm probably sure that any sort of nintendo anything that they mentioned mario Well, the guy broke the law Yeah, right the guy broke the nda broke the law. Yeah, he's not going to be you can't argue against nintendo You can't even make a big oh nintendo will never let me dude you Illegally leaked a game. Guess what? Illegally. Guess what we we're not in jail. We as gamers don't feel sorry for you And I think it's I know some and here's For the people out there that were like, oh, but I wanted to play it early So I knew if I should buy it they had a demo for the game Yeah, this is one of the few nintendo games there was actually a demo for right Well, that's the worst time to throw up that excuse. They'll let you try the game All right granted. We didn't like it. But it's so that was us. They let you try the demo like And I do think nintendo needs to have more demos. That's the topic for another day Yes, um, because I actually was going through trying to figure out what games have had demos and what haven't And then have a have a longer in depth because I feel like with switch bringing in the audience to bring in I think demos or something to talk about but right This is bother you that were this happens with every game by the way It's isn't excuse the poem every game gets leaked some on some way Um, but the fact that we can kind of are kind of get the feeling that this is from the media again um You know, I I think if this was coming from my opinion on this would be different if it was someone who just like Copy fall off a truck or some place broke street date versus yeah An actual member of the media that is under like these agreements did not say anything What are your thoughts on this? No, god It because this is an ongoing conversation. That's just won't go away I know I said this earlier even before the podcast, but when the hell are people going to learn It this is not it. This isn't helping us. This is not helping gamers I you can make any argument. It's not It these are just going to cause Nintendo to crack down even harder Not even not even just a tender all gamer all game companies So this is not helping Gamers at all. This is hurting us terribly. It sucks This legit sucks Um, this is why Nintendo is cracked down like they have now the crackdown apparently has loosened a little bit It might have just been for a week or so But they're still holding down. I still haven't heard back Well from our representative on if we're going to get improved for the ambassador program now It's funny because last time we talked about this with wolf them was on He has now since heard back and the reason he got rejected from the ambassador program Because of his a specific tweet on Oh, excuse me a specific message you put up on instagram I didn't know Nintendo was going to dig that deep But it basically went through like his twitter and his instagram and we're like Or a little you have a couple of things are unbecoming of one of our ambassadors Which is basically like you have a swear word in one and in which I don't have anything like that So I'm not too worried about it. Um, maybe my personal twitter might from way back one And I hope they wouldn't hold that against me. Um, but whatever. Maybe they will it's Nintendo I don't know how deep they're gonna dig. I don't have a lot of tweets. So like yeah, I don't tweet very much So maybe I should I think I actually went through and deleted one tweet off nintendo primate three stuff I was like, hmm Yeah, uh, and the other one was uh some where he had like an image Of him like wearing the mario odyssey hat or whatever and given the finger And I like I get that it's not brand friendly to nintendo But it's like, yeah, but here's the thing. He's trying to advertise nintendo stuff to his fan base I don't know the problem is yeah, but whatever Is what it is nintendo doesn't want to associate with it It is like it when I heard that I was like, but you're not like pewdiepie Okay, like pewdiepie has done some bad things Or like, you know, some of these other big youtubers have some pretty nasty stuff. They've done right You gave a finger on social media That probably hurts your prospects more of getting hired by other companies than it's gonna Hurt your audience or hurt nintendo, right? Like just because you wore a mario hat. Oh, no, um, but anyways free advertising, right? um I think that the what sucks about all this is just I don't know if it's gonna have anything to do if we get rejected We have not been rejected yet. Last I heard was we're still under under consideration Um, which if they're going that in depth, I understand they're gonna go through every tweet I'm gonna go through every single post I've made on facebook on the nintendo prime facebook Um, they're gonna go through every video on my channel and I have a thousand plus videos So they're gonna go through a lot of stuff. So I get it Yeah, so It bothers me they are Here's the thing I like leaks as a just someone who who's a fan. I I understand what fans like leaks But there's a lot of talk about these pokemon and all the stuff. I get it I understand the desire we all want to know as much information as we can and if you don't want to know as much Information as we can avoid anything that talks about pokemon ultra sun ultra moon, right? So it comes out, right pretty simple Yeah, you see a video says oh my gosh story new story details. Don't watch it Yeah, right You don't have to go in the video dislike it and start complaining like just don't watch that video There's people who do want to see that stuff and I happen to be one of those I like like leaks result. I like seeing this stuff from a consumer perspective because I enjoy leaks right but As a member of the media And even as a consumer I have to sit back and say look When the leaks are coming from the media, it's a problem and it's been coming from the media forever. This isn't a new issue It's very very frustrating. Oh, yeah, I And I'm not just saying this because I'm part of the media obviously it affects me more directly because of that but It ruins I think What nintendo and other companies in this case game freak as well Are trying to build up hype for a certain game up to its release it As an example, what happens if zeno by the chronicles 2 gets the entire story league before it comes out They said that zeno by the chronicles 2, which we just talked about last week Well, how they need to do a story trailer. We got a story trailer. So that's great And not only do we have a story trailer. They said in an interview We want this game is story driven Nice, we did not go full open world because we have a story driven narrative and okay, okay Awesome. Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to hear right But here's the thing if that entire story gets leaked beforehand I have to sit there. We have one Because I need to play right but I'm like, but even as I'm like playing the game I'll be like, okay, what happens next? Well when I'm laying in bed tonight to look up the story Yeah, and it's like I don't want to like after the game comes out. That's gonna happen anyways, but it's It's That stuff can ruin things and when story details are coming out The new pokemon, I understand that that's a big deal in pokemon, but It's I don't really care about that. Then you could you can reveal all pokemon before release. I don't care about that but like story details and all stuff, it's just You're ruining it for some people Admittedly who do not want to see these story details not because we can't avoid them Sometimes we can but there are going to be youtubers and other people that are going to put headlines That has some of the details in that you're going to come across Or screenshots from the game that's going to come across that have details Like one of the big big issues of people have a game explained when they were doing all the super mario odyssey coverage And they didn't even break mda is that some of the images they used in their thumbnails Contained spoilers where there was like oh Look at this new kingdom and then they had a picture of the kingdom It's like you can't do that You like you could say new kingdom, but for people who don't want to see that stuff You can't put that kingdom in the thumbnail, right find a clever way To hide the kingdom in the thumbnail. I understand the thumbnail you want to be more attractive But you'll save that for after the game release is fine, right? But yeah, so it's It's just a lot of This just bothers me to no end just stop just just please just they're not going to I know but If you're going to leak as a media member what benefit is it through you if you're not using it to advance your outlet Like if I had a copy of ultra sun ultra moon I want to leak the entire story right now on nintendo prime. I could do that Nintendo's only just going to never send me a review copy again I'm going to see a huge boost because that video is going to get like a million views or more Put your name behind I'm going to get make a ton of money potentially offer that video as well And it'll be a one shot. No, nintendo won't touch it because I just won't show any gameplay I could just tell the story. Yeah So I can read the story Yeah, and I can make a whole bunch of money one shot lose lose access nintendo will never want to work Me again they'll never schedule e3 booth tours with me again They'll never want anything to do with me again But at least I had a big advantage of one. I made a pistol of money right and two um I potentially grew my channel a bunch and it was a polyp like I get that but when you're doing this like behind the scenes It's like why you're not even giving an advantage to yourself You're just hurting people right if you're gonna leak put your name behind it I mean I get why you're not why there's lawsuits or whatever But still it's like come on, but then if you're worried about if you're worried about that then don't do it It's there are very few people out there that get media copies of games now with nintendo cracking down Stop ruining it because there's going to be a day. It's going to happen. It's like Done don't know if it copies and everyone's going to be like well Should we mad at them because their review embargo doesn't go up to the day of release No, because they don't even let you get a game until the day of release right No copies. No anything. Yeah, that's going to do it for this week's podcast episode 39 a little shorter But just two of us. Yeah, hopefully you enjoyed it. I in the center of the dance from the center prime This is your eric moor. Hello, you could follow him In the center prime at nintendo prime on twitter follow myself at knee jams Check out our patreon patreon.com section to our prime where you could just for five dollars a month get this podcast early 20 dollars a month be on the podcast hour a month get extra early Q and a's and like three dollars a month. I think is the video log I don't know go check out the tears a whole bunch of stuff too much to go over right now It's been fun. It's been real time to go watch my kids before my Wifey gets all maddie. She's already mad. Oh, yeah. Have a good one. Peace out