 Well, I would say the fundamental thing for me that is at stake is our ability to say what we want to say. I mean, it's really, really basic. That increasingly the view is that there are certain things that should not be said because they are problematic or offensive for the listener. And I'm not going to say it's a move from objectivism to subjectivism because the speaker also has a subjective point of view, but it's a move from a subjectivism that gives privileges to someone of a positive sort, namely expression, and instead cedes the privilege to a different kind of subjectivity which is that that can shut things down. And for me, those are really, really high stakes. I think it's a wonderful point, but I do think, as I said in the beginning, we are living in an expanding world. We saw in this morning's discussion with art history, you talk about Western civilization, but there are many other histories. There are many different perspectives and clearly, and also in the academic world, not all of them have been heard before. And so there are levels of inequality. So the question is, how can we indeed expand without shutting voices down? Because I think it's all about hearing more voices, having a wider discussion, have more diversity in our discussions. But I think we should also be cognizant of the emotions of those who were not heard before. So there's this very delicate balance, I think, that you have to strike where you... This is a funny way where you have to be really tolerant, but do you want to be tolerant of intolerance? Probably not, and I think that's where it becomes tricky. I agree completely with both of you, but I think something strange has happened, and it's to do with the way in which media and movements travel. And America has a very, very important voice, particularly in the Anglo world and all this. And in a sense, I don't feel what I'm talking to students that I'm being shut up when I say something which might come from a prior generation. I ran a campaign called Free Expression is No Offence when I was President of Ben. So I know about all these insults and Salman Rushdie and all the other phenomena. But I think what's happened now is that the culture wars and the people who are doing the shutting up are not only the new Puritans, but they are the far right. And they have co-opted what in some instances are people who really don't have a say and who should have a say into being the opposition to Free Expression. Whereas, in fact, it is the far right, the alt-right, who are the opposers of Free Expression and only want the kind of expression that's owned by very rich media to be theirs. And I think we have to play this carefully. I don't think it's culture wars between two sides. I think there's a side with a lot of power, and then there are many other small others. I'd like to jump on in on this, yes. I heard this morning and at the beginning of this conversation and in fact in the essay a kind of a binary argument. You're with tradition or you're not. It's one tradition. And I think what we're all seeing here also is not only there are more of those traditions, there are more points of view. But we in the cultural sector are in a very important position to embrace the grey area. In between these two. And what's happening is we're seeing the grey area shrinking and that platform is less and less available to people. Well, that is so incredibly important to find some way to recognize these certain traditions and to find a way to learn from them and to expand our minds. And I think that's maybe the most worrying thing to me anyway. That's why it's important to actually lie these forces with the force of the puritanical far right. But I must say that if you have this point of widening and having more perspective it's not necessary will be very comfortable. And I would even add to it, it really undermines the central premise of education is that you're being shaped by ideas, opinions that are new. They might be uncomfortable. So it's not that everything you learn about the world makes you feel comfortable. But I typically feel like for instance universities should be in some sense the most uncomfortable place because that's where young minds are shaped. And I feel this is a certain tendency. Sometimes parents of young children they tape foam in all the corners of the table so that their children won't bump their heads. And I think that's definitely not what a university should be. For you the culture war is a fiction. You don't know how it's going in the daily life. I know. I know. I came from a country which is where it's a freedom and free speech and to articulating your interests. And the whole society is frozen. And I know what this means. How killing the souls, how the people are, maybe you know how the people are, they don't have courage anymore. It's a nightmare. And for you it's a fiction. But to do and to show up and the way of the resistance. You know it's getting more and more difficult. And of course you don't have any other chance. Just resist. But the other hand you know you pay a horrible price.