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I Believe we have one planning commissioner who's attending by zoom tonight There are several ways for the public to watch and participate Information on how to join the meeting via zoom and make public comments during the meeting is available on our website City of Capitola dot org on the meet and it's also on the meeting agenda the public Can also live stream the meeting on the city's website or on YouTube as always this meeting is cable cast live on spectrum communications cable TV channel eight and AT&T Uverse channel 99 and is being recorded to be re-broadcast on the following Mondays and Fridays at 1 o'clock on spectrum channel 71 and spectrum channel 25 a Recording of the meeting will also be available on the city's website after the meeting Our technician tonight is Brian Johnson and as a reminder Please turn off your cell phones during the meeting Commissioner SD here Commissioner Jensen here Commissioner Wilk here vice chair Christiansen here and chair Westman Now we're going to move on to oral communications. Are there any additions or deletions to our agenda tonight? Yeah, you have two items that were added to agenda item 4b 206 Hollister One was a color and materials Sheet and the other was a landscape sheet with a little more detail Than what was originally in the packet Those are at the dais and at the back table So now is the time for public comment And This public comment period is for short communications From the public concerning matters that are not on tonight's agenda All speakers are asked to print their name on the sign-in sheet located on the podium So we can accurately record your name in the minutes If you would like to speak on an item not on the agenda, you're welcome to do that and you can have three minutes Or anybody in the public who would like to speak we have gentlemen here. Hi My name is Gordon Klapec. I've worked security here one time for Zeldas many years ago We have a problem here in Capitola when you go up to the McDonald's area Where I daily Buy my diet coke There is a pollution across the CVS store a lot of people drop their garbage and they walk out of the McDonald's on the pathway there and I think it's not the Responsibility of the state or the government To clean up the mess then I think you have to write citations or something to make the people aware that you cannot drop Stuff on the ground or if McDonald's or another company is Overwhelmed with their duties to provide Advocate garbage bins then they have to put additional Containers there so that people can drop it inside there. I'm not on the floor of The city of Capitola. Thank you very much for listening. Have a great day And I ask you a question just so I make certain I understand exactly where you're talking about You're talking about CVS Yeah, then and then there's the pump station the sewer sanitation district station across from that And then the park that goes up with the bridge The 41st Avenue 41st Avenue I make the on-stair sorry then the people consume or Dive coke or whatever they buy in it there they go outside the store and if there's not enough space In the garbage container to throw the way they go across on the CVS Premises and they drop it drop it on the floor there And I don't agree that then the public works or whoever is responsible for it should be held accountable To remove this because I don't think it's the tax payers Do it to get rid of that Okay, no, no, I'm clear about where you're talking about so we can Look into the issue. Okay. Thank you very much. Have a great evening. Is there anyone else who would like to address us? Seeing no one are there any commission comments tonight? Yeah, I'd like to make a quick comment The art and cultural commission Approved sculpture it's in work right now. So The artist's name is Anthony may he's currently working in the lower parking lot making a fabulous sculpture If you want to stop by and take a look, I certainly don't disturb him But I just want to give him a shout out because he's very very talented The tree stump, yeah His goal is to finish by Sunday Comment just it was nice to see Walking through the village that it looks like one of our first outdoor dining Units that for the sausage work. I think we made some modifications. So it's nice that to see One of those kind of full action and it's like it's almost ready. Almost completed. It's nice. This is good There any staff comment No other comments So we will move on to the approval of the minutes for the June 20th 2023 planning Commission meeting We have a motion to approve a second and a second all those in favor Okay, now we're going to move on to our consent calendar All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered by the planning Commission to be routine and will be enacted in one motion In the form listed on the agenda There will be no separate discussion on these items prior to the time the planning Commission votes on the action Unless members of the public or the planning Commission specifically request the item be pulled and discussed separately and What we have on our consent agenda tonight is 1500 Warf Road number seven. It's a historical alteration permit For one of the Venetian condominium units and then we have 206 Hollister Avenue And it's a design permit to demolish an existing cottage and detached garage and build a new two-story single-family residents in a detached single-story ADU unit on the property So is there any one of the commissioners that would like to pull either one of those items? I'd like to make at least a comment on item B I can discuss You would like to discuss it. Okay, so we will move item B 2006 Hollister Avenue to be our first public hearing item So it'll become a one so Is there a motion on the 1500 Or a on the consent calendar I'll second. Hey, we have a motion and a second. We want to do a roll call vote Commissioner SD I Commissioner Jensen I Commissioner will I vice chair Christensen I and chair Westman I All right, so now we will move on to our public hearings And the first item on our public hearings is going to be the item from the consent calendar 206 Hollister Avenue It is a design permit to demolish an existing cottage and detached garage and build a new two-story single-family Resonance and can we have a staff report, please? Yeah, but I've got the staff report here But before I get going I just wanted to offer a reminder to really trying to talk into these these mics are very directional, so Just a reminder to the commissioners So 206 Hollister the proposal is for a new residents and an ADU Project requires a design permit and a coastal development permit I've got the aerial view here property is 40 feet wide by 100 feet deep and And this is some context photos from the street view For existing conditions the property is currently developed with a detached garage at the just about the front property line And there's an existing cottage. That's about 600 square feet behind This property along with 204 Hollister were both listed on the city's 2005 historic resources list And these were listed as potential resources just a bit of background the prior owner Commissioned through the city a historic evaluation and the determination was that these were not eligible So we didn't need didn't need to go further with this application And then again for reference the properties were were developed as one property But have since been subdivided so that gate with the arch The center line there of that gate is is the property line on the right right-hand side So the site plan layout of the proposal before you is a two-story Primary residents with a single car garage attached on the left-hand side the tandem parking space behind the property requires one covered one uncovered parking space and there's a limited standards ADU Detached a single-story 750 square feet in the rear yard the red circle is one of the items that Staff was not able to fully support in the recommendation to remove. This is a 30 inch palm tree It just about straddles the property line and the reason we ultimately did not support removal of that tree was just because it Ultimately doesn't directly impact the development or limited the development on the of this project or the property and The community tree and forest Chapter in the municode is pretty clear on its goals To preserve trees and so without a strong reason or a limitation on development We ultimately just didn't support this With all that being said the Commission has full discretion To allow removal so moving on to the elevations this is a stone and stucco exterior with a ranch style design two-story white vinyl windows and The ADU just about follows the same pattern, but just a little bit more subdued and is in the rear yard This is your one of your additional Materials that you were provided. So this is the color and materials samples Just showing the color of the stucco white vinyl windows comp shingle roof, which is a small change from the staff report I think the intent has changed in the last week to go with comp shingle rather than a metal seam and Showing a little blue pop at the door and the stone clad columns at the front And then this is your other additional material So the code requires us to look at some details for front yard landscaping and so the applicant provided more detail on what the ground cover would actually be and There's two proposed wax myrtle trees and so the the canopy coverage complies at maturity would comply with The city standard actually with or without the palm tree So aside from the palm tree project just meets all development standards and we're recommending approval I had a question regarding Have we had any comments additional commentary in the neighbors regarding like window Locations or viewing issues or anything like that. No no neighbors came in to ask questions or view plans And so as they're there've been any ever any comments regarding any neighbors about viewing stuff like that I think there may have been a real estate agent actually that came in to look at plans But no no comments since the notice went out a question So the palm tree that's it looks like that is actually straddling though the line So does the neighbor they ever comment on that or was there any discussion with the neighbor about removing that tree? I think the neighbor tried to remove that tree within the last year and went through the process of voluntary removal and Ultimately the city wasn't able to make findings through that process which has a bit of a higher bar Development so ultimately it would need to be a joint effort between both property owners, but Again, the discretion would be with the commission we can sort out getting in a If if the commission goes in the direction to allow removal, we would make sure that both property owners for Aren't I know they both neighbors want to remove that tree within the last year that's There have been moves made to remove the tree was also Some discussion about second story will pick windows. Did you point those out on the? I'll go back to the Elevation views and so these are the side elevations on the left side there's a raised sill or semi-clear story window here These windows are offset from the property line by 11 feet So there's no treatment here, but I believe this is a bathroom window And it is a clear story and then on the right side This is at This is at Six feet so this one is opaque these are clear story and then these windows here are at four feet and are proposed as opaque and Those opaque windows are were they a condition or that's just a discussion. I can't remember that's actually condition of Yeah, so the history with this project is it came in in January 2023 and Had an ADU on the second floor which by code does require Treatment of windows And so some of the the recommendations that we gave the applicant in the first round review reflected that They since modified and detached the ADU As well as in the last several months I think the planning Commission has made some decisions to be a little more flexible on the wind upper-floor windows and so this This project didn't get the benefit of that Current advice from staff. So well, so what you're saying is that that when it was an ADU They put in the opaque windows or sell a story is that how you pronounce it? And but and then when they came in with a revision they just left them Okay, thank you. So I guess I have a couple of comments about this palm tree I'm assuming y'all can hear me Yes Two things that concern me about it one palm trees are don't have a tap root and they survive on lateral roots which are Two to three feet underneath the ground and I was concerned about That's pretty close to the prop the actual physical building and the foundation etc. And would the construction by its nature Damage those roots and therefore Somehow You know resulted damage to the tree My other comment is palm trees are not native to Northern California at all So I don't really have a lot of sympathy for a palm tree itself And the third comment is if I if they if we grant them a the ability to remove this tree This the city order the Sydney goal is use me not ordinance The goal is a 15% coverage by trees on an individual property If we remove it They still will have about 18% of the property covered by tree canopy after they plant the The two trees that are talking about Planting to replace the one palm tree. They're picking out per our rules of a two-to-one replacement So I'm I'm not and I the fact is the neighbor next door Wants to remove it. So these two property owners are kind of in agreement. I'm not opposed to Letting them remove this tree. Hi, I'm karma Heitzman and I own the property next to this at 208 Hollister And actually I did come into the planning office and look at the plans With my real estate agent. So that's probably what he's recalling. So One question I have is I've heard two different reports that there's been a survey of the property line And I saw the most recent survey and where the flags were that apparently my fence is In 18 inches that there's actually 18 inches on the other side of where my fence is that's part of my property I don't need to not interested in moving my fence I just want to make sure that the construction and whatever they're doing is Beyond that extra 18 inches and then whatever setback because right now the existing property is like right on The fence. I mean it's old. I realized that so I don't know if there wasn't a clear path for Getting making sure that that we're on the same page with that but clearly that's something that's important 18 inches is 18 inches around here Okay, because it looked like there were already this little survey flags there and I just want to make sure that's what they're basing it on because they were 18 inches into that property. So, okay, and then in terms of the ADU in the back From my back bedroom on the second story, I do have an ocean view It sounds like because the ADU is the one story that'll be okay But I would love to make sure I'm preserving my tiny little ocean view from up there so I don't know if there's a way to You know Have more information about the height line of that roof or something like that because it's it would be in the back And then final thing I just want to understand my husband Work from home what the construction hours are are if there's rules in Capitola about when construction can happen Remember many more off the top of my head. I believe it starts at 8 in the morning or 7 730 p.m. And They can work on Saturdays, but I don't think on Sundays But staff could look that up for you. It is in the city regulations There is an ordinance that determines when construction can take place Okay, that would be helpful and then is there anyone I can speak with once construction starts to make sure about the property line and Where that's starting and all that kind of thing to the building inspector because they will inspect the foundation to make certain when it's dug that it conforms to the setback based on the property line and How would I get a hold of that person? They're upstairs here in City Hall So you could call them and ask them to let you know when they're going to come out to inspect the foundation and do we know when construction is starting? Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak is the applicant here because we might have a couple questions Or the applicant Yeah, okay We should check zoom because I think the designer was going to be joining on zoom Kurt if Kurt there is a attendant on Seeing no one we'll close the public portion and bring it back to the commission discussion Commissioner Estee would like to add anything else from the comments that you made earlier Now, I'm sorry about that I spoke a little bit out of turn, but no nothing Nothing additional. Thank you. I would I would recommend that we remove the condition of preserving the palm tree and allow them to remove that palm tree And I would also Be curious to know I don't know if I really want to get into this discussion, but we talked about this opaque windows and how we were a Little bit more relaxed on that and then perhaps staff wasn't and as Brian pointed out This application came in before that discussion So if the if the applicant was interested in making those clear I'd be willing to have that discussion, but I don't want to bring it up unless So he wants to change I Agree with Peter. I like that if if there's support to remove the tree So it seems like the one issue we have is the palm tree and I don't have any difficulty and it looks like so things like whoever wants to make a motion on this should include the removal of the palm tree And We can ask the applicant how they feel about the window situation if You would like to address that So let me ask a question then it's the is this is that a can the opaque windows is that a condition? In the approval it's not written in it's just on the plan What I was going to suggest is that they can work with staff and any neighbors who those windows you know are close to their house and We can give staff the authority to make the decision about whether or not You know the windows should be opaque or clear with the direction if there's not a problem And you know we see no reason why they shouldn't be clear. I agree with that recommendation Hopefully you're gonna include that in a motion. Do we need to include that or to recommend a I mean if we're just We're just directing staff that that is our opinion that me you can please work with since it's not a condition That you guys can just work with that and I think they've been given direction Unless someone all or Jerry Disagrees and you have that direction. No, my only concern would be um, I definitely on the side of like with the opaque window having that requirement release but I would think that I want that neighbors to be notified of that so we could hear them come forward Or go to the city staff if there was a concern So I wouldn't want to remove that condition are fairly kind want this neighbors or anyway, and that's around the area No, that's basically what you said, right, right? So they'll work with staff It's like you have direction there so I'll make a motion not to interrupt But we do have current lines raising his hand and I can just speak on zoom if I could allow him So we've already closed the public Portion of the meeting is he the designer? Yeah, he's the designer Okay, we'll hear what he has to say. Thank you Kurt, please unmute yourself and you can speak Okay, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes, we can go ahead Kurt I'm sorry. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Okay. Good. Well, thanks commissioners for reviewing our project our proposed project about the windows It was a requirement when the ADU was part of the initial design of the main residence We had the ADU on the second level and it was a city Ordinance that those windows were required to be opaque since then we've removed the ADU we've put it as a detached structure in the rear yard and I I did not know that I could remove the opaque requirement to the upper windows of the main residence We would definitely like to remove that The other neighbors around the the property do not have opaque windows that look on to this proposed project So we would like to also have the same conditions the The the floor level on the second upper level is mainly all bedrooms and bathrooms so the small windows you see in there are Ventilation for bathrooms and the larger windows are Just cross ventilation windows for the bedrooms We would be willing I think to talk to people about the size of those windows if it became an issue with the council or any of the neighbors but I Think there's like an aesthetic value to having the windows at the size as they are and We tried to design this modern contemporary home to match other Homes and the quality of homes in the area so We would like to keep it as designed and remove the opaque requirement I think I'm actually going to interrupt you because we've actually Discussed this and we've already given direction to the staff that they can work with you and the owners and the neighbors to decide If any of the windows will have an impact on the neighbors next door And if not you can work with the staff about most of those windows not being opaque just for clarification by my Mr. Lentz probably doesn't realize that this this topic has come up with other applicants and We generally have agreed that as long as You have a second-story window and it doesn't you know, it isn't blatant It doesn't face directly into someone else's property that clear windows are okay And we generally look around the neighborhoods and like you say look at precedent if there are lots of other second-story windows and they're not too oppressive and You know, we generally have Allow those three to go clear basically so So that's why we feel confident that you could work with staff and come up with a with an agreement Specifically okay great. We're more than happy to work with staff Just take care of that issue Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Okay, so So do what what is the consent? What a what item is the condition that talks about the country? It's just in the recommendation I I move that we approve staff recommendation or 206 Hollister Avenue with the exception of We are allowing the palm tree to be removed All second that We have a motion and a second and we have a roll call vote, please Commissioner Estee aye Commissioner Jensen aye commissioner will aye vice chair Christensen aye chair Westman So now we'll move on to the next item under our public hearings Which is 836 Bay Avenue It's for design permit to replace an existing gas station canopy structure and a sign permit with variants Requested for a new wall sign located in the community a commercial zoning Yes, thank you and good evening The application for you is a replacement of an existing gas station canopy with a new 1900 square foot Anapy in its stead project requires approval of a design permit sign permit and two variants requests related to that sign permit This project is located in the community commercial zoning district This is the site as it appeared several months ago while they were still under construction with the car wash it can be seen to the left The station and the site as a whole is located on the Bay Avenue commercial corridor Surrounded by non-residential uses to the east west and south Highway one and the northern city limit on boundary arc to the north Sorry Sean, we don't see the presentation on zoom You see it now Yep, that's it. Thank you the site was recently improved as said before with a new car wash that has been since finaled Jason the convenience store. This is a photo of the the existing canopy more recent photo and You can see on there and a number of strike impacts from tall vehicles This is a continuing issue for the owners there and is one of the prime reasons They are now looking to replace it. It is Substandard in terms of clearance for the kind of vehicles they receive This is the proposed site plan the area in blue indicates the Both existing and proposed location of the canopy the new canopy is going on Approximately the same location centered wise. It's slightly larger, but it otherwise covers the existing gas island pump stations Which aren't being replaced The new sign is indicated on the front of that canopy face along Bay Avenue where the red air is pointing and this is This represents two different elevations the site relations they're both symmetrical the pitched canopy on the existing canopy is being replaced in favor of a flat frame for uniform clearance the new structure is 19 feet tall with a Vertical clearance of 16 feet Fash pace Excuse me the fascia paint panels are constructed from blue and white painted aluminum composite material So that's a coated aluminum surface And this is the front and rear elevation the only difference between those two are the absence of that New sign on the rear elevation facing the convenience store. So this would be looking at the street from the street sign permit itself is Exclusively for the new chevron hallmark logo that goes on the canopy. It's approximately four square feet in size internally illuminated the site already maintains a 39 square foot monument sign as well as a 26 square foot food mart sign on the convenience store This site and zone are permitted to have up to a one wall sign and a total of Total cumulative sign area of 50 square feet Because the addition of this new sign would exceed both the cumulative area as well as the number of allowed wall signs a Variance is required for both standards In relation to the variance request staff was able to make finding supportive granting a variance for both variance requests findings a through f are captured on two slides the first of three are shown here of note Three findings a c and e which I'll cover briefly here the prime one a are that there are unique circumstances relating specifically to the business itself rather than the lot characteristics In that it operates three distinct commercial uses Out of three separate commercial structures including convenience store gas station and car wash when compared to other properties Multiple businesses located on the same lot would generally be entitled to their own signage allotments based on their own shop frontage An example would be the novel hill shopping center, which is a Solidate a lot and each business has and is entitled to its own signage Finding see the variance enables the subject property to have similar signage to previous approvals for gas stations elsewhere in the same zone Such as the subject property. There are two such examples on the following slide This is the intersection of Capitol Road and 41st Avenue. There are two Two gas stations there a another Chevron station as well as a shell station both of which have convenience stores and gas stations the Shell station on the left also has its own automated car wash and In both of these cases, they have signage that would exceed current standards They have the Chevron station has monument sign to canopy wall signs and to wall signs on the convenience store Whereas the shell station has a monument sign to canopy wall signs a car wash sign as well as Convenience store wall sign respect to finding e It also relates to the examples just shown on the previous slide and That it would not constitute a granting of special privilege Therefore staff is in support of these primary and the rest of the findings for variances and would support the Exceeding the number of wall signs as well as the cumulative sign area with that staff recommends approval of the project as conditioned as well as the supporting findings Under Undergrounding of the utility lines Is that already that's a condition is that was that already done? We were looking at that one moment Yeah, so the question is it's a condition now and I'm just wondering if it was already implemented Yeah, it looks like it would have already been done. So They would not need to do any further action Compliant with that condition, okay, right Questions for staff will open the public hearing. Is there anybody here from the public who would like to speak to it? Good evening commissioners. My name is Kurt Wagon act. I'm with K-12 architects The architect on this project and the car wash project Just like to say that The the owner couldn't be here direct tonight, but he's Approved all the conditions of the project that you've Got so All right, thank you very much Anyone else You know, I will close the public hearing we'll bring it back to the Commission We'll start with Commissioner Estee so we don't forget him since he's on zoom yet. No additional comments. Thank you Mr. Jensen I Would just like to say that that's it's a really nice I'll really enjoy all the improvements that you guys have made to that gas station. It's one of the nicest in Capitola And I just wanted to add I would make a motion to approve Staff recommendation Second we have a motion and a second and we have a roll call vote Missioner Estee I Missioner Jensen I Commissioner Wilk I vice chair Christensen I and chair Westman I See if we have a director's report. Is there anything? Yeah Filling in for Katie on this but we have a little bit more content to share this evening So first item to share is we are in the late stages of reviewing a minor design permit and tenant improvement for luckies at 1475-41st and new leaf is going to be moving into that space and is proposed a Pretty robust facade upgrade and so this project not adding any floor area It does qualify for a minor design permit, which is under review of the community development director And so the procedure goes that we're going to send out a 10-day notice of pending action And if we receive comment then we schedule a formal public hearing but receiving no comment the director can't approve this project So it is a bit of a higher profile location So just wanted to bring that to the commission's attention RM helped us with the review and It's a pretty nice upgrade. So if we if we do get Some kind of public comment or request for a hearing it will be coming to the commission and The the follow-up to that is that at the new leaf space grocery outlet is looking at that space That's interesting grocery outlet is looking at the new leafs existing new leaf space So that one I don't have an update for you. They're a little farther out And as was mentioned earlier, my second item is the dining decks and so we do have our first prototype example that is at about an 85 percent level Also wanted to give you an update on for art and wine. We're we're tracking three That will be operational by that time So the English ale sausage works and and the wine bar next door to We were really happy to have an example. I think it helped everybody and I Think the the flexibility that the Commission considered in June, you know And approved out that we have one now In in reality, I think that prototype was kind of stalled out for some of the owners So, thank you Two other updates is just the housing element. So Just getting an update on the timeline. So on July 29th, we received the formal comments from HCD HCD has extended a line of communication through Katie to Catch comments in in the midst of their formal review Basically short-circuiting the process and and the city's consultant is also involved in that So they've been able to to get a quick rebound on some of these comments And the initial 90-day period isn't even up until October. So it's allowed us to not only stay on schedule, but Hopefully ahead of schedule With the upcoming forecast of having an October 19th special meeting at the planning Commission Are there any showstoppers in there anything that looks particularly difficult to overcome? I Have not heard of any so the Katie noted. Let me know that most of them were the The AFF H comments Affirmatively what is the acronym affirmatively? Furthering fair housing. There you go But I'm not close enough to it to where I can speak specifically on that This is the outline we're ahead of schedule and the target would be if we get this all back to HCD We would avoid the builders remedy risk and then lastly we've had some Pretty in-depth pre-application meetings with mid-pen housing for this site at 1098 38th Avenue Which was formerly a skilled nursing facility that was demolished about a year ago What we're seeing in their concept plans is a hundred percent affordable project 52 units They're not totally settled on parking, but they are Around a mid-60s parking count with a target of one and a half spaces for their multi-bedroom units and one-to-one for their single-bedroom units and They've kind of minimized the concessions across the board from the The other project that we reviewed earlier this year at 401 Capitola Road So they learned some lessons from that project also have a bigger site to work with that project is It's on schedule for submittal in September. That's it for the report Are there any commission comments at this time I just had a question When we were going through, you know the housing element, I think we picked out a site that there's going to be some Conceptual drawings done. Do you have an update on that or what wouldn't where we are with that? That can look like Yeah, I don't have an update, but I remember that discussion. I will follow up Yeah, I just wondering if there's an update one we might see that I think you're all aware that in Capitola the draining storm drain system for our city is not the city Operated by zone 5, which is the county agency and there are Several neighborhoods in Capitola that don't have any storm drains One of them is the Riverview Terrace neighborhood the Depot Hill neighborhood and One of the things that's it's happening. I'm a resident of the Riverview Terrace neighborhood is that All of the drainage from that neighborhood now comes down to Riverview Drive and Has to flow down the street To get to the first storm drains which are sort of at the corner of Riverview Drive and Riverview Avenue there And it's becoming a problem for a lot of the homeowners on The river side of Riverview Avenue because we're flooding now if there's a Significant storm doesn't have to be major major, but if there's a lot of rain our properties now but and Sort of been thinking about it and one of the things that I think is adding to this is there's a lot of impervious Surface being created in that neighborhood is more people Hey, they're front yards and you know use them as patios and We don't require any permits for people to do that kind of work in their yard But it is beginning to have an impact. So my request is to for staff to you know, at least Contact zone five and sort of give us an update Do they have any plans to do any improvements in these neighborhoods in Capitola that don't have any storm drains? I think the thing I'm not I'm not certain, but I think it's true in the 40s up in Jewel box area. I don't think there's storm drains in that area, but it is becoming a problem Storm drains or something the city's ultimately going to have to look into to Solve the problem particularly as we add density, you know, just like the project we saw in Hollister tonight, you know There's two buildings now with people adding AD use and so My second one is if you could just check on the gentleman's complaint about the garbage behind Yes, I wasn't Be honest completely clear about it But maybe somebody could check out that area and find out what's going on Good night CVS and Walkway between the two We can send