 to my left is Justin Lawrence, my left is Bo Smith, my right is John Quinn, I'm Brad Town, this also is Tom Bassi, our acting administrator, and our treasurer, Diane Pizzabella. The additions or changes to the agenda talk. None, Mr. Chair. And public comment. Is there any public comment? Hearing none. Hearing none. We'll move on to treasurer report later. Okay. I have something to be designed for it. This is the third installment for the paint turn type north. It's been approved by the contractor, the engineer, and the USDA. And it is for 322,8755. And this is the third installment, just paperwork. And I'll get you to sign that so that way it can hit. Have a motion to allow me to sign this thing. 200,000, 300,000 on my own. So moved. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. Thank you. That's all I got. Okay. Thank you, Diane. Oh. Carla, who are you calling? Hello, Carla. Hi. Ready to play, Nancy? Okay. So I think that you've received something in your packet. As far as the different banks. I guess the choice really, two of the banks had 2.05% interest. But each one of them did the loan a little bit differently. One has the same payments every single time. And the other one is the payment plus interest. So the one with the payment plus interest, which is Community Bank NA, was the savings of 846 dollars over the 10-year loan. And either one of those banks would be fine to me. We have to leave the one of them. We have loans with both of them at this point. Community National and Community Bank NA. So I guess I would suggest maybe the Community Bank NA, just because it's the last night. We'll approve the Community Bank NA financing further later. I second the motion. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? All right. Motion carries. Ryan, can you quickly just remind me, what was the financing through? Cat, was it 3%? I didn't even take that in consideration, because they don't have, they do not really gear it towards municipalities, where the banks gear it, right? Directly to municipalities. Okay. I knew it was more than... It was more anyways. Yeah. Directly to municipalities. Yeah. So Brad, we have Jason Morrell here. He's asked for working in the town right away. A permit? Jason? Yeah. One of Jason. Going up and talking about the project. Can I sit here? Sure. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. Loud. Loud, yeah. I was approved for building permit, zoning permit a few years ago, and for some buildings down at the Wyman property. And one of the stipulations was that I changed the entrance on Dog River Road away from Route 12, because currently it's right next to Route 12. So we're planning on moving the drive across from Morse's auto entrance, which is about 200 feet away from the Route 12 intersection. That's pretty much the gist of it. We're talking about the green building, right? Blue. Like blue. Yeah. Morse is across the road. Motaventure is in it. Is that it? It's where all the UL trucks are parked? Yeah. Yep. What was the size of your culvert basin? There's an existing culvert there now, which I believe is 24-inch, and we're just going to reuse the existing culvert. Yeah. It's going to be long enough for you? Yeah, it's about 40 feet, so we have our now. I knew that was a huge, huge habit, so you could use it. The culvert was that long. Yeah. It's about 40 feet. The curb, I believe, is only 24 feet, so it should be more than adequate. How long will the work take? Approximately a day. Okay. So you're not trying to shut down the road or anything like that? No. There's no... You can dig that from your side of the... Correct. Everything will be dug for my property. Nothing in the road itself. Okay. Again, that was the condition of the DRB permit when that new building was... two years ago, I think, was out there. Yeah. 1821, I see on here, it says September 1st completion date. Obviously, that's changed. Well, yeah. So... Okay. Case out. Okay. St. Davis went down, and he added that down there as well. A motion? A motion to approve J&H properties to work in the town right away. Any further discussion? I just have another question. Sure. What are you guys doing right above there? There's going to be storage units being built up top there. Oh, thanks. Yeah. That's it. Stay nosy. Who made the motion? Could you include permit number 2056? In the motion. It's not amended. Any other discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. All right. Motion carries. There you go. What's the timeframe? Good to go. I'll get to it. I'll get to it tomorrow. Okay. Perfect. Probably as soon as I sign it. Awesome. Thanks so much. Sir Blaston in the morning. Have a great night. Thank you. Enjoy your evening. Thanks. Mr. Robert Colbert? Robert Clark. He is not here tonight. So I'm going to fill the select board in. You may recall the last meeting you guys proved getting a section of the proposed sleeve and testing it in a culvert to see if it would fit. We checked it out about 10 days ago now, and it did not fit. So the recommendation from the contact of sleeve manufacturer in facture was to look at a size of sleeve about two sizes down. I don't know what this was. Two sizes down. So Otter Creek ran the hydraulic capacity of that, and that hydraulic capacity failed the state requirements. So we asked them about actually holding on a section on the floor because the balance of the culvert is good. And they stated that the bottom is so deteriorated that that could not work. So we are here to plan D now. We're going to talk to the agency natural resources about allowing us to concrete the floor of that. And then that concrete has a life of about 25 years. My sense is that they're likely not to grant that. And so we do not know what planning is right now. It may even be having to be the dreaded open cut that we've all been trying to avoid. But that's where we stand on that project right now. So are we still waiting for some more answers? Still waiting for plan D to be flooded and see if that's going to work. So basically what's happening is the weight of the car is going over the top, it's crushing the bottom, and it's oblong. It's elliptical now rather than round. And again, to drop it to the size that would fit would cut your floor down too much. Correct. And you can't put a half culvert on the bottom alone because they don't think that'll hold. Contact said that there's not enough material there to bolt. So I don't have any good answers for you today. How thick is the concrete going to be? Now far up the sizes it goes. I don't know, Brad. It'll be, if you remember the photograph, it's probably two feet, three feet on the other side of it. Imagine they would cut the worn piece of existing culvert out and form it in and make it a, so it has a little bit of free-born on it. I'm speculating it best. There's issues with concrete. High pH is not good in streams. So there's no good news to report on that. No, I had a question about it. I had spoken with what their logic was for the state. I don't know if you know him at all. He's also on the board with that. He's on the fire department. But he works with D-trans. And he said D-trans has hydraulic section that could be a water flow assessment. We've already obviously not known that, but I don't know if they'd be a resource. But what side, they'd verify the culvert size that we needed for the man. They would verify the sleeve acceptability, but they would also advise that a concrete-based slide would be sufficient for the repair. I don't know if that would save the town any money. I might have any D-trans look at that. We've already done the first piece of that. Right. I'm thinking, well, the second piece of this, which is, we're trying to reach out to the state and see... They're saying it doesn't cost anything. Let's give another opinion on it. That's what I was talking about. I'm not a favor of that. They said they're about six months out, but I mean, I said we're only six months out at this point. Right. I think we're pretty much dead for the winter at the time. They actually didn't get emergency order. Again, the D-trans has allowed working past their recommended time frame. I understand about... I'm sort of hesitant on changing horses right when we're trying to... We're in the middle of a culvert. Yeah, we're really in the middle of a culvert in an issue. I really don't want to try to go and re-educate people all the way from day one. I think we should find out in as timely manner as we can. They're six months out. It just doesn't make any sense trade changing horses in the middle of this rodeo. If that culvert fails, do we have a greater chance of emergency aid from the state? Well, I was kind of looking at that from that perspective, too. I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time, I'm thinking since we're probably not going to be able to do anything for six months and they're six months out, if we get their opinion, there might also be the possibility of some teamwork in there or financing. It's something that's been on my mind. I haven't approached it. I'm glad that you spoke with me because I think the state could be beneficial I don't view it as changing gears. I view it as getting bad news from the doctor and getting a second clinic to make sure you're going down the right path. I'm not involved in any type of V-trans decisions whatsoever, but I see some of the press releases and things like that that come out where they're giving money for failed bridges and roads. It just makes me wonder what the criteria is and that they count on that road as well. Maybe they'd look at Richardson Road as well. I'm pretty sure Richardson Road will be on us. The thing that starts me about that is is that Fisher Road, that's access to the hospital. Why would they not take it and try to fund it? Well, yeah. And they're a psych hospital, too. Funding is a separate question from the viability of repair. You go seek the funding after you've got a solution, right? We're so insolution-seeking. We are insolution-seeking. That's what they're doing. I would encourage or I think we should reach out and that's just the way I feel about it. Have you seen one of these sleeves they put in? I'm just curious about that. The fold? Yes, yes. They sent, when they contacted us, they both had a picture of it. It's just a big tube. It's a big tube. It comes in sections. You have to build it in sections. The road is subtle enough so that the culvert is political. Correct. That's why the test section is written. Slide through it. Slide all the way through. Well, I guess the concrete is the plan D. I guess you need to find out from the state. That's the conversation we're having. Let us find out if it works. Well, how long are we going to take for them to decide on that? I did not bring my crystal ball here. So I don't really have a good idea. You talked in a month? Two weeks? Three weeks? My sense is we're meeting going to meet tomorrow to talk about it. Get all of the Berlin team together and hopefully talk to the state about it. And short over here, but before they have a week and try to get a temperature reading from them. Again, my gut's telling me is that it's likely not going to be approved. But there is an emergency situation. Well, you can send us e-mails if you find out. Anything else on this? Brandy Saxon and Karla Gleesel. Brandy, are you here? No, she's not here. I sent you guys, or in your packet, four pages of the schedule. Where we are at today. So that's just where we said the last time we met, we're going to give this to the select board here on a regular basis. Just review it and have any questions. Get a hold of me and we'll get them addressed. We're working on now are the water and sewer allocation requirements of Newtown Center. You'll be seeing a draft ordinance outlining what the town needs to adopt with respect to allocating water and sewer to that project. I believe you're going to see that at the next meeting and so you'll get a chance to review it. It's an ordinance. I think you have to have two hearings on an ordinance. I think that you have to have two hearings on an ordinance. So if you're looking for the three guys to adopt at some time, probably end of October. It will soon be done with the language that we have written for you. Karla, are you there? I'm here. So I also, Karla, I'm just going to share what you and I talked about today. This is what you have in your pack. The two pages is a draft letter of support. The planning commission tomorrow is going to be talking about looking at a municipal planning grant from the state. So Karla, you want to talk about what the planning commission is talking about tomorrow? For me? Yes. Hello everyone and I wish I could be there but I do have a call sometimes while I'm being responsible on staying home. The planning commission discussed the idea of applying for a municipal planning grant to assess the municipal utility needs. It was to work in conjunction with the town center application. As you know, it requires municipal facility and since we thought this would be a good opportunity to apply for some funding to take a look at the needs of the town and in terms of the facility needs so that we could assess options for possibly locating it in the new town center but also just generally getting that assessment for the town for future needs. And I think one of the needs is a meeting space so that we don't have to do this in times like this. But I cannot hear anything that's going on here on, just so you know. So that's pretty much it. It was probably the biggest, what the slide board would have to commit to would be a matching portion but the grant would, you know, the most that would be is 10% of the proposed budget and so I think the maximum grant amount is in the $20,000 range so it would probably be $1,000 to $2,000 that we'd be looking for a commitment from the slide board. So it's a minimal investment and hopefully we would get something that would identify ways moving forward to satisfy all the needs of the town in terms of facilities. I think it also works with the capital budget requirement at Kutom, right? Because it would have some idea of how the budget funding for facilities. That's correct, yeah. So I don't know, I think that's about it. Tom? No, I know the planning mission is going to bring this up tomorrow. This has to be submitted by the end of this month to the agency so that's why we're a couple days ahead of the planning mission on this thing. Just so you guys have a chance to review it and ask any questions. We'll get it, we'll get it. Because we have the proposal, we'll share it so that you can review it. Yeah, the budget, yeah. And again, they're taking it up tomorrow. Randy, I see you joined. I've gone through your stuff. I don't think we're, I think we're good. You're ahead of schedule. Yeah, you like to be. Thank you, Karlo. Okay, is that all that? Yes. Any questions for Karlo? Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Karlo. Feel better. You're cold. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay, so Weston Mobile Home. So with us is Linda Thurston with the Western Mobile Home Co-Op. Yes. I shared with the flight board their letter to you. They're looking for a potential support for an application for speed reduction on Route 12 near the, from Weston's to the City of Montpeyre line. And, and Linda's here to talk about what they're thinking. Right. From the Montpeyre Berlin town line down to at least past the Dog River firm. The speed limit's 50. I mean, you leave Montpeyre is 25, 30, 35 and you hit that hill and they're sailing right down through toward the farm. And if we stop, you know, to turn into Weston's, we're in fear of getting rear-ended or our kids getting hit. You've got the school buses stopping there. You've got businesses. And there's 83 homes in the park going in and out every day. And the traffic comes down through there so fast that, you know, it needs to be slowed down. And if you could submit a letter to the state asking them to lower the speed limit. I know Linda, we talked that, you know, I think it would be good that if there was a resolution from your board and if you can get your residents down there to sign a petition to talk about that. I think that would carry more weight. But just as a side note, lowering the speed limit doesn't, it's not going to slow people down. No, but I understand that. And that is a state highway. It's not a town of Berlin highway. That's why we had time to you to go to the state. But the policing of that is the state police. We should then, I think, get them involved in this discussion early on as well and try to guard their support as well. Because you were talking about across the road from them. There's a field there that, you know, people go over to the field. The kids go over there to play. And, you know, you've got people crossing the road. You also talked about maybe doing some community events down there. Like a fair, you know, farmers market or different things in the field. You know, it won't happen this year, but maybe next year as soon as we get permits for different things that we need to do. What is the speed limit 40 through there at one time? It's been 50 for as long as I can remember. Jeff, why don't we patrol it? Why doesn't our police department patrol it? Oh, I thought you said the state police did. It's the state highway. Yes. Yeah, but the state highway does their north field. I mean, north field does their part. Well, we can. But, you know, it's just that they come off. If you put 40 on the hill coming out of Mount Pinger, they're going to go by through 50. Now it's 50. And then if they hit that sign that says 50, they're sailing. So maybe if it was 40, some of them would slow down a little more. Well, while you're working on the petition and the resolution from your board, would it be helpful to have the police department bring the speed sign down there? That's actually a pretty good deterrent to slow people down. Right. You know, if there's a sign that says this, instead of 50, it's 40. Well, we have a sign that... No, the one that tells you how fast you're going. That's probably going to get people to slow you down a little bit. That might help. Yeah, that might help. Because, you know, when they're coming from north field this way, you know, you've got more of a chance of stopping before you see somebody's going to turn. But when you're coming off that hill, you know, they come right up on you, quick. They did that in Woodbury because there's just a lack of police department in that area where they put those signs on each side of Woodbury Lake to slow people down. And it certainly does. People see those signs all up and they slow right down to the speed limit. So that might be a... Are they permanent signs, John? They are permanent signs, yeah. So maybe we really want to think about doing something on more permanency. Yeah. Well, I would just say have the police take their signboard down as the... Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was originally talking about. Yeah, yeah. Until we get something permanent. You know, because down at the farm, they're going back and forth across that road all the time. People, equipment, the workers. I'm also wondering about a sign, something like show the farm ahead. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Who would... You know, something to slow people down. To make them more aware of what's going on. Linda, what's your phone number? I'll give you a call and we'll work on it. Okay, 802-613-3191. Okay. Okay, so I'll get a petition going around the neighborhood then. Great. Okay, thank you. Thank you. And start with your board. I know you're on the board. Yes. So start with the board first. That's what I would do. And so then you could go to your residence and say, this has board support. Okay. Can you back it up? Very good. Thank you. Good evening. Okay, anything else on this? The next item is police chief recruitment. My draft? Yeah, I sent... Two weeks ago I gave you a draft. Put in your packet. What's black is what you saw already. What's red is new. And this talks the timeframe of reviewing applications, shortlisting, making offers, and ideally when the candidate can begin. The end game here under this scenario would be December 20, 2020, when employment would begin. The... We closed Friday on... Yeah, Friday we closed on receiving applications for the chief of police position. So we really need to at least start the black ones in black right away. And so I don't know what the board's desire is on this schedule. I was hoping it would be sooner than that, but talking to folks who know more about this, they thought this was a fairly reasonable schedule. The background checkbook takes quite a while, especially right now. Absolutely. I have another question. You can ask about this schedule more about the committee. Now I mentioned, I talked with the state's attorney and they had an interest in being on the board. Is that something the board wanted to have happened or not? Rory, Givo, at the last meeting I discussed the state's attorney. I'm fine with that. I think they have to work closely together. To me that was a huge thing. Well, I don't know why we wouldn't want any more of that resource. I mean, there's one individual out of... One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight or more. Is he a Burling? No, he's the Washington County state's attorney that the police would be working very closely with. No, I understand who he is. I didn't know he was a Burling, right there. I don't think so. I don't believe so. I penciled in here, Ted Long, I was trying to get Bruce McDonnell here. He just never got back to me, so Ted Long, his professional engineer, lives in town. He said he would serve if you guys wanted him to. I'm just trying to think, is Bruce Richardson living in town? I think he does. I believe so. He's an emergency management. That's his thing. I wonder if he would be a better choice. Emergency management for who? Because our town plan, we don't have more. The only thing I'm concerned about, we get too big a pool. How many applicants do we have so far? Seven or eight. I'm just worried we have, it's like, you know, any board gets over 11 members, all of a sudden they lose efficiency. Too much, too many different opinions. I would think from my opinion, maybe the replacement of the very city police chief in town and the state's attorney might be a better solution if you're worried about the size of the board. Wait, I'm just looking at this. We have the very city police chief, but not the Montpelier. No, they have a brand new chief. They do. Okay. And to be honest with you, I don't know him. We work with them. Yeah. And Tim said yes. Well, I mean, if you want Tom, you can reach out to T-Bowl in the city. You can also run it by Trevor Wimble and get his thoughts as well. Since he's, you know, coming in as a consultant through the process to assist us, he might have some good feedback in terms of everything we've discussed. Tim, give Trevor a call and see what he thinks. Is it okay if he picks it? Because I'd like to get... Are we going to get started by the 11th? I'd like to, well, that's when they're due. So I think probably they'll go out that weekend with folks. Yeah. Because they have to the 29th to the short list and then start interviewing and complete the interviews by October 15th. And how many athletes do we have? Seven or eight now. With a few days left to apply? I can talk to them. I just don't want to protract this. Yeah, I know. And you'll talk to Trevor to see what he thinks. I mean, I don't know if the state's attorney has been on any hiring committees or any of the localities. Yeah, right now. So, again, you let Trevor decide the last or any one? Yeah. I think that would be wise. I'll say three candidates, Bruce Richardson, Ted Long, and Bruce Richardson. Ted Long and the state's attorney. Yeah. Rory? Right. Rory's attorney. So I will give Trevor a call and let him know that you guys know that. Okay, anything else on this? We didn't have a lot of notice on the retirement. And I realize that it's probably not the best time. But I always like to think about these things. And it was brought up before by someone else that, you know, have we given any consideration to talking with Barry City about potentially merging our police departments with him given the close proximity of the two? At one time, we did take a venture out into having shared services dispatched. Dispatch, fire, police, ambulance, emergency services in general. And the very first blush of the budget, we'd increase ours by over 40%. But that was everything by our process. Yes. But what I'm saying is, is that our budget for our police is only considerably less than Barry or Montpelier. It's more in tune with Barry Town. But I mean, Barry Town had a separate police force. They did? Yes. I think so. That could be almost all better than they did. Because I mean, Barry City, look at their police budget. I mean, more than our whole budget. Well, I kind of looked at the model like, you know, and it's not to, this is only, you know, talking out loud. I don't want to scare any police officers full-time or part-time that we have. But it's not the intent. It's, you know, if we, if we, you know, essentially had Barry City run our police department and charge us back for the service, we need as many people as we have because of the close proximity between the two or can there people that are on duty cover some of the area and we could get by with lesser of a bill because it'd be less people overall. I don't know if it would or not. But it, you know, I got a question on whether, you know, because there's a lot of overlap and you see it when you drive around. You know, you see the, you know, the Barry people of Berlin and the Berlin people of Barry and just makes me wonder if there's no problem to drive down at cost. A lot of the neighboring police cars are coming up to the hospital for whatever reason. Berlin, they're burying a lot because of the courthouse. As far as actual patrol, you know, on a per hour basis, they're doing, if they're doing a 1,000 man hour patrol in Barry every week and we're doing a 50, it's still a 1,050, no matter how you do it. If you're going to keep the level of service the same. If you want to drop the level of service, well then, yes, I can see that. I think the fixed costs that we have and fixed costs that Barry City have are pretty much stolen. I'm just not sure that we have any metrics on what our performance level is. Like what's our service level? Like what, how do we, how would we... It'd be patrol hours. It'd just be patrol hours. Because someone's sitting in the front, someone in the front. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how else you could possibly do it. Just no man hours per day. It's a good question. Yeah, it's just, you know... But again, if that's the roof or even contemplating it, we, you know, the whole chief of police should be, you know, put on the hold. And I'm not saying that. I just, I feel like I've got to bring it up. You know, it was brought on us pretty quick that, you know, our chief was leaving so we didn't have a lot of time to talk about, you know, what's the next 10 years for him? And I think what we did, we baked into the job description that this was a working chief. Yes. Rather than an administrative position. So there's that added benefit, I guess you want to call it, to the town, to the townside. Why don't you let me ask President Wei on that? Let's see if, you know, we can't be the only municipality that has asked that question. True. And I'll talk to him. And he's, you know, a pretty smart individual with respect to this. Absolutely. I think he can weigh in and give a good argument one way or the other. Right. But, but again, I wouldn't want that to take away from the chief. I agree. There's parallel tracks. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there. Understood. Any else on the recruitment? No, are you guys all okay with it? Besides, besides that, the last individual community member. Yeah. Okay. The Snowmort crew has been awarded. No. I just got to make one note for myself. Yeah. So I, we opened, I think on the 31st, I think I sent you guys a note the next day saying we were over budget. The folks from regional planning commission went back to the funding source and got a verbal commitment to fund the about not quite 13k shortfall that would put the project into 2021. I asked, I asked them to memorialize that, that verbal agreement. And so they said they would. So what, what you have here is just the, what would be the recommendation would be the Gail Percy was the low bidder for the 2021 piece of the project. Assuming that, that I get a letter from regional planning commission that satisfies my, you know, angst over is the money real. You'll likely have next meeting a sign of notification to pursue that, that they will, that they will be awarded the contract. So if you have any questions on this document, let me know. The transition returned to work program policy. Oh, we may recall our conversation at the last meeting, but the full last full meeting was talked about that there was the town had really no language in either. It's hourly non unionized personnel policy, nor in their collective bargaining agreement for folks who get injured on the, on the workplace. How did they return to work? So I said I researched and talked with some draft language or the board's consideration. So what you have here is to buy into the first one is basically would be your, your policy is the town of Orlando, Vermont transitional return to work program. This was a template from the city of town. So I, you know, turned it into Berlin where appropriate. I added on the very, the second page, page two of two there, under the list of tasks that was blank the first time I sent it to you guys. So now I populated with some, some thoughts that can be, in effect, light duty tasks. This is not an exhaustive list. You can add to it at any time, but it's a flavor to this document of what the town would look at. So I know you're just really getting this for the first time. And along with this policy would be the transitional duty agreement. And it's really between the employee, their supervisor, and the town on expectations. So I don't know what the board's pleasure is on, on these documents. But again, I think it's something that's needed in both of those. It would be relatively easy to, for you folks to adopt and put in the non-unionized hourly workroom employee handbook. I know, I believe, the, like the bargaining agreement is coming up for soon. So I would suggest that the town consider, as part of negotiations, similar language in that CBA. I have a few questions, but they're primarily to do with you speaking with our council about it. And I don't know if it's appropriate to do so now or to do so in executive session. Maybe you could just talk about it in general. In general, I mean, it was broadly city council. They have in-house council, it was vetted by them. Right. And, but it was not vetted by Berlin council. I just took it and filled out the template. Okay. So, if we can put this on the next agenda, we can take and review this, then we'll come to this. Come back with any comments that you have. Yeah. Did you give a copy to Rob just to have him proves it? I can. I'd really like to get your comments first before we change the document before we get Rob to pay attorney for place. Again, you could email me directly with your comments and I could, it's a Word document. You know, we could easily see what folks are saying and I could type it up and you could have it. You know, you guys get it several days before your next meeting and we could see what the other comments that folks are having are. I do like the language, the first full paragraph at the top of page 2 of 2. If any employee at any time now or in the future were to ever refuse an agreement such as this, I like that language that's included because you just never know if an employee is going to agree to it or not, being willing to sign, et cetera. I think that's worded well. I would like to say it can take credit for it, but I cannot. Well, you did a nice job filling out the tender and putting in the list of the tax. You did a nice job. I don't have anything on page 2 of 2 except for this, except for the signature block and this one line. This is the page I'm looking at, page 2 of 2. I don't have it. This is page 2 of 2. There's one that I'm in trouble. This is the paragraph that I was thinking. You're missing it. It's right after the minutes of Dale Percy. I was going to write this in here. There you go. Thank you. The other 2 of 2. Is that much clearer now? Much clearer. Let's see here. That's the pleasure. We'll take it and get back to you over the next 2 weeks. Again, the easy piece is the non-union employee handle. Private road, waterworks way? Yes. You guys have something that looks like this. The large farm road is all the lost. After sitting out for a long time, they've been sold. There have been 4 zoning permits issued for single-family homes up there. You can see where the little red squiggly lines are on. At the very top of that page at 225, that's the town of Berlin's water tank. You can see where Dodge Farm Road is. That whole line from the D-in road up to the water tank is basically our driveway off of Dodge Farm Road. The more address there at the water tank now is 225 Dodge Farm Road. Because of these other developments, and there's 3 circles in red, those are 3 houses that have been permitted, there would be now 4 E-911 addresses off of that town of Berlin driveway or lack of reserve. E-911 requires that when you have 3 or more addresses off of a spur, you need to name the road. It's just because 225 our water tank is measured from that point right here. Everything off of that just doesn't jive. I'm suggesting that this spur being named Water Works Way, I've spoke to the folks from E-911 that there's no conflict with that name in central Vermont. But the sled board needs to approve naming that road. Is there still a gate at the wood line? It is, yes. To the water tank. So it's gated, yes. Motion on this? I make the motion to name the private road as described by Tom Benowski, Water Works Way. Second. Any further discussion? They have a question. I don't know. So it's private road. Who's doing their own thing? What are you doing now? So I spoke to the three in the red. It's one owner and I spoke to that owner today and we had that conversation and I'm going to give them a shared maintenance agreement. And I told them, look, the town... When we plow the road, isn't it? When we plow the road, it's really only to get our water. And so we don't go up there every day to do water. We may go up there once a week or every other week. So I explained to the owner and they were agreeable to putting in the deeds to each of those requirements for a maintenance agreement. So those have been permitted through our zoning with curb cuts off the private road that the town owns? I don't think that's what you just said. There's permits to prove building lots off. And those curb cuts have been approved off that private road? There are no curb cuts on a private road. Okay. Well, they've been approved to have dryways off our private road. It's a right of way, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Those roads have... The rudimentary roads have been in there for some time. Yeah. We improved the one up to the water tank simply for access for the cement trucks and whatnot. They're craning. Those other roads are at best like gravel. One fellow bought all three lots? Are they taken to disperse them? One person bought all three lots. But I think there were four other lots outside of these that had sold. And one just got a permit today closer down to Scott Hill Road. The next lot up off of Scott Hill Road. Really? Interesting. So real estate selling? Right time. Very much so. It is. So it will be just like New York City? Well, yeah. Thank you, Tom. Did you vote on that? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed? We now have a road called Water Works Play. Thank you very much. There you go. Local government is an expensive reimbursement grant. So I sent you a note. I became aware that the federal government made... federal government through the... the state of Milwaukee, the federal government had a grant program out there that Berlin eligible for about $70,000 of COVID improvements. And so I applied COVID expenses and improvements. So I applied for the whole nearly $70,000. Staff is put together. I think you may, you all may have seen some of that. Some of the ideas. The caveat here is that the money needs to be spent before January 1st. So there is a longer list of ideas. I'm going to ask the select board for two considerations. The first one is, before that, any input that you guys have, I thought some sort of audio system so we don't have to deal with this. We have these kind of meetings here so people can actually hear us. It's the biggest complaint. David's here. David complains that he can't hear. So some sort of audio visual enhancement to me may make sense here. I know Diane would like to get a banker's night deposit box so she can have payments inside the building rather than how we do it now. Corinne mentioned we have this temporary window-ish thing over here to make that more of a permanent structure. I thought that was a good idea. So we've been throwing things around like that. So what I'd like the select board to do is to appoint two people that when we have an idea about doing something, yes, no. So that's the first thing. And the second thing I think that's going to be required to be able to get this done because you have to spend the money before the end of the year is that we're really going to have to bypass our bidding process. And we're just not going to have enough time to put specs together, put bids out, you know, 15. We're just not going to have enough time to get the work done. And so I would like for you guys to consider wading the bidding process for this grant, for this grant. Well, I mean, since it is a grant, it's not going to come out of the town coffers. True. So I don't think you'd call me that. Most of the stuff will be on our employees, but anyway. I'm sorry? Most of the items on it will be under the $5,000. I mean, an audio video system would be a lot more than that. So there are potential items that would be higher, greater than that. We've just done teleconferences. There are a lot of systems there. We don't know exactly how much we're going to get though, right? No. So we can't really start. The latest word to know is September 15th. I sure hope they let us know sooner than that. No, it's only a week now. That's true. Yeah. Every week counts. Yeah. So I'm hoping we know sooner than that. But I think what we can do in that interim period is vet the ideas and at least get going on it. The ideas now are just for the window in Diane's Dropbox. Yeah, some sort of audio visual enhancement here. Laptops for all of the highway folks to use so they can do their safety training so they don't have to, they can do it online. Diane had an idea of the keyless entry for the buildings that You have the police department now, but we can extend it into this part of the building. Any air filtration or anything like that? Could be. Again, I've... Are there restrictions on how you spend the money? It has to be for COVID expenses, COVID relief. And any idea that we would say, yeah, thumbs up to, I'm going to call to these guys and say, this is what we're looking to do. Good with us. Right. We deal with that a lot of work going through the criteria of what is a COVID expense and what is COVID really, you know, what's going to help get us through the crisis. I would float it by someone here at the department to get their final thumbs up on it. I mean, even though it is $69,000, I mean, we don't spend it all, it's no loss. Correct. But it would be nice to get that so the town clerk has a window. Yeah. And we talked about a bulletin board outside, a freestanding bulletin board double-sided. You know, that was about $5,000, $3,000, $4,000, something like that. Like a kiosk over there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was an idea. Kudos for applying for it. I hope they do get back to you soon. I do too. Excellent. That's totally the 15th at 430. I would volunteer to be one of those slack board members that looks over stuff just because of the COVID experience. That's excellent. Did he also miss Tom? I'd like to have two people I think. I think it makes sense for two slack board members. Unless they think one is enough money. That's fine. I don't care. Well, I mean, you and a slack board member, she said. I think that would work real well. Yeah. Okay. Good. You need a motion to that effect? I wouldn't think. All right. We will when we come to spend the money. Right. About the bidding piece of it. Waving that requirement. Yeah, we'll have to have a motion on that one. Is it $3,000 or $5,000 or $5,000? So I entertain a motion for waiving the Berlin bidding process of over $5,000. To suspend it for this grant only. I make a motion to suspend the local bid policy for the purposes of spending the local government expense reimbursement grant. Close enough? Yeah. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Thank you. It is the Christmas season. Oh, oh, oh. That's the approval of 12 more minutes for July 22nd in August. I make the motion to approve the select board minutes for Wednesday, July 22nd, 2020. Good night, Diane. Good night. Good night. For July 22nd, you said? Yes. I'll second that. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. I also make the motion to approve the town of Berlin select board minutes for Monday, August 3rd, 2020. You're second. I'll second it. Any discussion? I don't believe Angelina was at that meeting. It's an August meeting. She was gone the full month of August. She's listed as attending. I will rate that for the record. I'll second on that. All those in favor of the discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Are you good with that? Okay. Do you want to do the warrants? Yeah. Approve the licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 21-05 for payroll from August 16th, 2020 to August 29th, 2020. Payable paid on September 2nd of this year in the amount of $39,057.13. Also payroll warrant 21-05 with check 24-82 to 25-25 in the amount of $98,804.60. Payable warrant for FY17 truck payment to community bank NA in the amount of $16,348.78. Any further discussion? I had some questions, but I think Diane was probably the best person to ask on most of them. What was it? We pay $240 a month for a fax line. For what? For a fax line. We handle fax. Yeah. It just seems super expensive. I think that's the rent on the machine, though, isn't it? Oh, maybe, and that's why I said, yeah, I wasn't sure. And then we bought another $6,500 in screen sand. I thought we had already taken our sand delivery this year. Screen sand isn't road sand. Okay. Because, I mean, there's no point in screening roads. Okay. And then $5,400 for roadside mowing. Was that for the entire year? Or was that just the last payment? That was the best. And that was it, I think. Okay, all in favor? Hi. Hi. All ready to carry? Fax signing. And round table drawing. I don't have. Oh. I wanted to bring to the attention of everyone. Justin's already aware, but there was a person got hurt up off from the hiking. the hiking trail off from Brookfield Road on Irish Health Loop. It took the fire department and ambulance four and a half hours to get the person out. Because in my view, partially because you can't get over that bridge with an ATV to go up and get them. Yeah. I texted Joe Stobb and the contractor would get up there for him if they needed anything. Honestly, I can't do this tomorrow. It was only dislocated, thank goodness. But I think it's something that we should push on to. I thought we had asked to have that on the agenda for this meeting, and asked to have the conservation board in for this meeting as I recall. I don't remember that, but I know we were supposed to be talking with the conservation board about this. They were supposed to be talking with the snow wheel people in the ATVs. They're not going to reach out to them unless we put some real pressure on them. I just thought that they were there a long time trying to get someone out, and it was just to spring me or just dislocated me, excuse me. But it would have gone hours faster if the bridge had been wide enough to be able to get something up there. How recent did this occur? I'll tell you the exact date. A week or two ago? Yeah. Yeah. Very recently. Yeah. That's all that I had. I just wanted to make everyone aware of it. It's right on my road. I know the conservation committee is soon to meet, because I was talking to them about this stormwater bit about getting on there again. I want to talk about that, but it was fun they came through. I think they're going to invite me to that meeting to talk about some other things. So when I get it, I'll bring this up. Do we know what size the bridge should be? Should be. I would say at least eight. Eight foot bridge would take a snowpack. Right. Well, Matt even goes with mountain bikers out there in the winter time. Maybe they close the trails with water hiking. We went up there last Sunday, and the bridge is in very poor condition. Even after the repairs, the repairs definitely make it walkable, but it definitely needs to be perfect. So we should do it right. Assuming they're going to invite me, I'll talk to them about it. So it was on August 26th. And I just wanted to add about that piece of it too. I mean, we had a discussion that Darling Road is still a class 4 trail. And if you look at the signs, the signs say, you know, open ATV, travel, and everything, you know. So I know they didn't really seem in favor of a bridge that wide, but since it is a town trail outside of that, I would think that we would be able, because all the outdoor recreation, I would be able to just. Yep. I know the guys from Waterbury Rescue, they do a lot of backcountry stuff on families humping stuff like that. I'll see if they, what their recommendation, they're, I mean, they're a voice of authority too. I mean, they do lots of this kind of stuff. And they've got, I know they bought special equipment up and down. Well, Bass bought Northfield a four-wheeler with tracks with the toboggan behind it. The same thing that Waterbury has. Yeah. And the only other thing I've mentioned, the tree tapping on the town forest, Justin and I were up in that area, and we didn't walk the entire thing, but on the, I guess it'd be on the north side of the property using the GPS and the phone, which isn't exact, it looked like they were on Northfield property. Like right on the line, I mean, it came when you show the app, it shows you where your blue dot is, and they were on the Northfield property, on that side, we don't know about up over, we didn't go up there, but we did look at that when we were up there. I'm worried about what they were doing in the Berlin site. Well, this was Berlin town for us, Northfield town for us, so Berlin's here, Northfield's here. They were right up to that Northfield line. But we didn't go, basically, we were on the Northfield side of the... There's the 350 acres there, we were on the other side of the hill. We didn't have enough gas. Okay, do you think we're out of here with Justin? No, I lost all of it. No, the only thing I was going to touch on was the rest of Mobile Home Park, but Tom was good to get that on the agenda for tonight, so I'm good. And executive session? Yes. Your motion for agreeing to executive session? Was it over now? And on track. All for the highlight. Move down to your executive session for legal personal contact. I second the motion. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Here in the executive session.