 I have to be with this, so I focus on the statement, think and feel your response. I am able to effectively respond to the stress in my life. I swipe and then I whip and I whip three times and then it processes the sensor data. No one's using it yet, so it's going to take a second for the signal, but if it'll show up in about a second or two, it's got to turn the servers on. There it is. Feeling stressed. I'm a little nervous when I do public speaking, so. Boom. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sockian. We are still on site at Consciousness Hacking's Awaken Future Summit. We are now going to be talking to Mike Danheim. Hello. How's it going? Thank you so much for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. Very excited to talk to you about Sensei. You're a co-founder? Founder? Ah, co-founder. Co-founder of Sensei, which is the easiest way to measure how you feel and identify sources of stress you might be unaware of with smartphone sensors. Yes. All right. So let's unpack this. Who are you? Who are you representing? That's a good question to start with. So Mike Danheim, I've been building tech startups for about 10 years now. I am a consciousness junkie. I had a concussion with Retrograde Amnesia 15 years ago where I had an out-of-body experience and just got obsessed with consciousness and how was that experience possible? Let's get to that experience. Tell us about that experience. Right into the habit. Yeah. I actually had two. I had one in high school from a sports injury, but then I had a second one in college from a car accident. And the car accident one was an out-of-body experience. The first one, it wasn't an out-of-body experience. But I got in this really bad car accident. It was a pile up in Philadelphia. There was a bunch of cars and my friend pulled me out of the car. I was unconscious. And as I got out of the car, I sort of came back into awareness. And the vantage point was from the back of the top of my head, but I was out of the body and I could see down. And when the police on this that were on the scene would speak to me, I would toggle back in. And then when they'd stop speaking, they would go out. And it was... Oh, and the most important part was when I was out, wherever I was or whatever the seat was that I was in was just, it was beautiful. And it was peaceful. And it was perfect. And there was so much chaos. But wherever I was in that moment, and even when I toggled in, it was still very still. But when I was there, it was just like... Whoa. And it left me very, very... I would do hell for the next year and a half after that accident in the recovery, but I was still left with a deep mark of like, what was that? And also how was the body operating? Because the body was operating without my involvement. And that left me deeply curious about this organism and how it's doing, whatever it's doing. Yeah. How was it that we somehow found ourselves outside of us? Right. And you said you were kind of going into the body to engage with the situation, the chaos, but then out. And when you were out, you said that it was this feeling of just... Just... Perfectness. Perfectness. Whoa. So perfect. Whoa. So perfect. And another curious thing that was really strange was that when I toggled in, there wasn't... Hearing was off for me for some reason. You ever see like those movies where a bomb goes off and someone's like talking to the guy who was nearer to the bomb and he can see what's going on, but he can't really hear it? Yeah. But there's a version of it that he's hearing. That was sort of what I was hearing was like when I toggled back in and then when I was out, it was... Perfect. Yeah, just perfect. Yeah. Well, how old are you? 20... 21. Damn. Yeah. Damn. And you had a year and half of crazy recovery. Yeah. I struggled really badly with memory recall, really badly. So who I was and my family and like those memories started coming back within 24 hours. I didn't know who I was for about 24 hours. But then everything else started coming back. The problem I had was that you would, for about eight months, was that you would speak to me and I couldn't remember what you just said. And the worst part about it was that there was two versions of me. There was the version of me that was in it, it was just kind of like... And then there was this other version of me that was sort of somewhat out of the body still and was aware that what was happening wasn't right and was like very ashamed. And so there was just like a ton of depression and anxiety and stress. It was dark. It was dark. It was dark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With people but not remember what they just said, to make social interactions miserable. Humiliate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Humiliate. Wow. And then finally after eight months it started coming to where somehow the brain maybe came back to the homeostasis, potentially. I met a hippie guy who taught me... We saw some neuroscientists and they thought that there was like some blood on the brain and they thought that I was going to be pretty much screwed for life. And then I met a hippie guy who taught me how to meditate and this was like, oh yeah, meditation. Six months, man. Six months and all of a sudden it was like, whoa, it better than it was before. Two months in or eight months in is when... So I met him. This is weird, right? Because I'm reflecting back now. So I met a guy on the timeframe off. I had to have been... So I had been four months in and then I met him and then it was his name's Martin and then after I worked with Martin it was about six months journey of meditation. Whoa. And then it started coming back. Yeah. Okay. What was he teaching you? The most simple technique. Just this very simple mindfulness meditation of being aware of my breath. And you know, he used some pretty simple tactics of like if thoughts come just use a little hook. That practice alone? Very simple. Very simple. That's so crazy. Oh, he first told me? Yeah. Yeah. A thousand year old, a thousand years old practice could potentially, yeah, rescue. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, it also probably helped that I stopped doing drugs and alcohol at the time too. I was self-medicating pretty heavily. Oh, yeah. That helped. I was doing that. Yeah. I wonder how much we weigh each variable in that scenario because probably a good amount is the stopping of the... Yeah. Getting that out of the way. When you can't socialize with people, the medication self-medicating is... Yeah. It was all, it was like my only shelter, you know, it's hard, man. Damn. But... This is like 22-ish then. 22. Yeah. It was, that accident happened about a month after I was 22. And then you're all then kind of like after 10 months, you're like, whoa, this is cool. I'm back in this... Then you kind of end up dedicating your life to... Oh, yeah. Well, it's so passionate, man. I mean, if you would look at my bookshelf, it's all just like consciousness, healing books, psychology books, awareness books, all of it. I'm very curious. So we can now resume post the 10-month period and you're getting it back and you've been curious, reading, and we take us to the, you said, 10 years of tech startups. Yeah. Okay. That led you to Sensei. Yeah. I started to apply in tech to the conchi space that's been in the last four years. But I started, I had a social media promotion platform back in 2010 and 11 and I rolled that into Groupon in the early days and I helped lead the international expansion for Groupon throughout Asia and the Middle East, which was really fun in India and that was awesome. And then after that one, I had, I was part of a Y Combinator startup called Grupper Social Club, which was really cool as well. I got a group thing going on, I don't know, but it was a high growth startup that was fun to be a part of and then I built, I was with a team, we helped build a biometric payment solution for one of the large cruise lines in Miami where you could transact to the blink of an eye. And that's notable because when I was working on that, I met my partner, Thomas Gerstin, who was the AI product lead for Xbox Connect. Damn. Yeah. And he was the one, what we were doing in our free time when we were working on that payment solution, we would always talk about spirituality and how spirituality had helped us so much in terms of our own healing and personal development. And a question that came up was why aren't more people interested in it? And language was sort of the answer that showed up in between us. And so we asked the next question, which was like, well, how can we create a direct experience with it, without there having to be language, so someone can actually experience some of these things that we're talking about with spiritual language, right? And that led us to muscle testing, which is what we're doing, which is how to adjust here. Yeah. Whoa. Okay, so I'm not going to use words anymore to dive into these spiritual experiences. I'm going to use muscle. Yeah. And an embodied experience. An embodied experience. And coming into my feelings. And I think a very sage mystic once said, Bob Marley is the mystic that I'm referring to. If I'm to quote him, I hope this is right. It was something in the lines of those who feel it know it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great one. Right? And like the feelings. It's a great way to put it. Bob nailed that one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What are we talking about? What are we feeling? Those who feel it know it. I know we're putting words on it. Is it this unity, the interconnectedness, the unbounded loveless that, yeah, yeah. I suppose so. Right? What I think that's, I like the way that you framed it as a question, because it does seem to be really personal. Right? And it's like, wait, what are you experiencing? Yeah. You know? Embracing that. Yeah. And it's okay if what you're experiencing is different than what I'm experiencing. Like that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I could just sit there for a couple of seconds, man. Yeah. Like, wow. Just being with that is, yeah. So how is it that we can deliver this through Sensei? Yeah. So, you know, it's so funny, it depends on like the audience I'm talking to, and which path I normally explain it, and I'm guessing this is a broader audience. Yes. Yeah. So there's a very scientific path, which we can go deep on, and then there's the original path, and what, we'll start with the original, and then we can go science at work. Yes, please. Chinese medicine for thousands of years has said that the body has wisdom, and you can consult the body to understand what's going on and be precise with healing modalities. Right? So acupuncture and chiropractor type work, they do that, they do these little muscle tests. Would it help to do an example for, so a traditional muscle test is, they extend, you can put this arm down, I put my hand here to ground me, and then the doctor, chiropractor acupuncture will press, and you have to resist up. Oh, I'm going to resist. Yeah, you should press up just a little bit, and it's a very light press like that. So what they're doing is they're looking at the recoil of the deltoid. And they ask questions. Oh, you should see the deltoid kind of flex? Exactly. If there's stress. So if there's stress, there's like a wiggle. And if there's no stress, it's firm. And then in this way, you're working with the energy of the body to tailor a diagnostic. And what do you want the deltoid to do? That's an interesting question, right, because I think it would be a mixed response in who you're talking to, but from the people who I work closest with, it tends to be you don't necessarily want it to do anything. You want to observe. You just want to observe what happens. But then is there an ideal that the body is in the healthy shape? That if the deltoid is doing something, it's healthy? Right, okay. I see where you're going. Yeah, so let's go back one step, because actually I missed something that was really important. Yes, please. Sorry about that. One of the things I love about muscle testing in an individual doing it is your question was really good, which was, what do you want it to do? And so much of our lives, we're trying to optimize and we're like, I want this outcome. And muscle testing really requires this like surrender and openness to what is. Yeah, that's good. And yeah, and I feel like that can help a lot, will help me a lot of just like letting go of my optimized outcomes. And then your next question, which is also a good one. And I think if I understood it correctly, are they in a healthy state? Yeah. Do they need to be? Yeah. And it would help. I don't know if it's necessary. I don't have enough research there to speak to that, but... These thousands of years of... Yeah. Okay. But in those thousands of years, what they say is that if it isn't a non-healthy state, we can still muscle test. We can use it to identify what is at the root of that. So if you're feeling anxiety or depressed, we can ask questions and identify the actual emotional stressor associated with the depressed feeling or anxious feeling. And then by identifying that, awareness in itself is a healing mechanism, but also with it we can take action that's very specific to what's been identified, right? Okay. Okay. So there could potentially be some other sorts of anxieties or other stuff that's buried in the body, and you can potentially tell by doing these body exercises that you can start unpacking what could be buried in some of the muscle. Right. Well, and it ties into that common statement of the body doesn't lie. Yeah. Everyone's... The body holds the score. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that's a really good book. I haven't read it yet. I heard it's really good. Yeah. The body holds the score. The body doesn't lie. You can relatively know and all kind of speak to you, but it's real. It's like, yeah, it's very real and you can apply that. So, yeah, so keep walking us down the story, you know, yes. Yeah. Well, so you can apply that and to help facilitate your own healing. I was just in the opening ceremony for this conference and Josh Field said, feeling is healing, and that couldn't be more appropriately true for our technology, which is like, yeah, we've got to embrace our feelings. Yes. And allow them to help us see the truth, you know, what's really going on. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. But then there's always the, we can get, we can dwell on feelings and then we can take ourselves potentially out of some of our most actualized states as well. So it's kind of a difficult, nuanced... Right. Yeah. Yeah. Conversation. Yeah. It really is. But it's a really good point. And I think it'd be more appropriate with a question, which is like, when we embrace something, do we obsess over it? Where does obsession occur? I don't know the answer to that, but I wonder, when we embrace and integrate something, do we continue to obsess or is it now a part of, right? Let's say the thought arises, a thought that may be one that makes us feel uncomfortable, and that we embrace that thought for a little bit, and then we see maybe where it goes for a little bit. But then we kind of want to return back to being in our, maybe our focused state of doing what we were doing before. Yeah. Yeah. But so that is cool, I think. Many people can get behind that. But then sometimes I think we can too often find ourselves going into, why did I just think that? I just, this is so hard. Right. Yeah. Right. This is such a good distinction. Yeah. Right. Right. And then in that, it's resistance. It's denial of what happened. It's rejection of what happened. It's like, why? I'm questioning and I'm regretting and shaming myself versus I did that. Fuck. Yeah. I love myself. Yeah. And I hope to be able to reflect on what I did and understand that I could potentially be a better citizen of the planet if I, for myself and for my family, for my community, for the whole society. Okay. But yes, keep walking us down the sensey path. Yeah. Well, this is the path. Okay. We'll go back to the sensey path. What you just hit on is like, so sage and that's it. Okay. That's the part that we really want to get to you, which is that how I treat myself is a reflection of how I'm going to treat my family and how I'm going to treat society and how I'm going to treat my environment and it starts right here with the connection to our heart and our feelings. So if I'm in rejection of my feelings and you show up and you're crying, I'm like, this guy, I don't have, I haven't given it to myself and I can't give to you what I haven't received. And so embracing my feelings and integrating them becomes this ability to now connect with you like this, right? And like be here together. Okay. Interesting. Okay. So, and so, sorry. So going back to sensey, we can put this in a way where- Yeah, this can tackle a lot of the issues that we face. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is, well, especially in San Francisco, we kind of have a serious amount of people that are on the streets and that when we can potentially reflect on what's going on, how can- this is very complicated, but there may be something that you're saying that could help us drive a little bit more empathy and love and compassion towards the stories of the situations, the stimuli that got people into the scenarios that they're in. And so- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's a big one. And if someone walks up to you and they're crying, or if someone's crying, or if someone, et cetera, and we haven't done a self-work practice where we are very comfortable with our own crying and our own where it will be harder for us to attend other people- Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And more people own- so to tie that into a sense, you go back to your point. More people own smartphones than health insurance, right? So like being able to administer the muscle test with a smartphone provides the capacity to help when a person back to start here. In the U.S. or in the world? Globally. Globally, more people own a smartphone? Oh, that question. Sorry. The initial data I had on that was in the U.S. In the U.S. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Okay. So then what are we using as sensors in the phone to be able to direct us back? Yeah. Okay. So going back to the test, so I did the muscle test. The way it works is we were talking about is the recoil in the deltoid. And the key part is the recoil. Okay. And so knowing that we asked the question, which is, okay, well, how do we replicate that recoil without a doctor being present? And so we created, I'm just going to grab my phone. Yeah, please, yes. So we created a unique whipping gesture, let me turn my screen off. A whipping gesture. So it's actually three whips, you go one, two, three, and we get three peaks of data from the gyroscope and accelerometer. And what we're measuring is the recoil of the hand. All throughout the wrist, the hand and the forearm are muscles. And what can you learn from just three whips? That's a, well, that's okay. So there's two parts of that. There's what we're detecting, which I think was what you're asking about, but then there's how can that be applied by a lot of different healing modalities. And the first one, what we're detecting is binary. It's either stress or no stress. Really? And that's what we can see. Down to a black and white level of... Binary. What? Okay, so what is it about this whip that you can determine a binary? Stress or no stress? Muscular tension. So, and are you asking about how we initially identified this signal? Okay, so is this like, when I'm holding it, I'm tense, I'm whipping it all tense, and then that's like, yo, this person's stressed. Yeah, and what's interesting about that is that you could be like, I'm tense, and you're trying to force it and you're not really tense. If you're not actually really tense, oh, sorry. That's fine. If you're not actually tense, we'll pick up and not actually being tense. So you literally have to be really tense. You can't fake it. You can't fake it. Yeah. Okay, so then, yeah, because even when I was trying to do that, I was loose, but I was faking things. Right, yeah, I saw that in your hand and I was like, yeah. And you can fake it to the point where you'll be able to evoke some tension, but there has to be, even if you fake it, there has to be the felt experience of tension. Versus if you're like light as a feather and you're just gentle. Right, you're just like trying to be like, I'm tense, but like you're super loose. It's the body, it's your body experience. So, since he's literally just asking me, hey, will you whip your phone three times right now? Yeah. And I'm like, okay, one, two, three. And I whip it. And then you guys are like, oh, you show a stress level of blank. That's no stress binary. But the one part that's important is it's specific to thought. So the way since it works, we can show a demo, but yeah, let's show a demo. Cool. Yeah, let's show a demo. So for context, we just, we haven't even announced this yet. This app just hit the App Store last week. So this is like. It hit the App Store last week. Great. Awesome. It's been, we've been doing research for three years. So we had a research platform. Three years of research. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it takes to get the good stuff. Yeah. So this is it. Should I show that again? Yeah, let's, let's, yeah, let's bring, let's bring it up. Yeah, let's bring it up to this one. That's the dashboard page. And the top two, the first button says, measure how you feel. Okay. So you just tap on that button and immediately you can check in on your current state. But it prompts you with a question it says, think and feel. I can, the stress in my life I can, I can helpfully manage. It has a specific statement that you have to think and feel. And then you whip. Manage stress, live better. Yeah. Practice mind and body skills are focused on improving specific areas of your life. How do you feel? So then you click on that to check in regularly and manage your health. Yeah. So you tap on this. Okay. How do you feel? And then there's the statement. I'm able to effectively respond to the stress in my life. And if you shake the phone a little bit, you'll see the sensor data moving. So you shake the phone a little bit, move it a little bit. Okay. Yeah. There you go. You can see the sensor moving. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's the gyroscope. That's the gyroscope. There's a gyroscope and accelerometer data, both. Yeah. Use both. Our primary signal came from the gyroscope. The primary comes from gyroscope. So yeah, there it is. So I will, I have to be with this. So I focus on the statement, think and feel the response. I'm able to effectively respond to the stress in my life. I swipe and then I whip. And I whip three times. And then it processes the sensor data. Whoa, okay. No one's using it yet, so it's going to take a second for the signal. Maybe it'll show up in about a second or two. It's got to turn the servers on. There it is. Feeling stressed. I'm a little nervous when I do public speaking, so. Whoa. So it's pretty accurate. And so it'll just show you just like that. And then you can agree, disagree. Yeah, so for this release. Or agree after reflecting. Yeah. And that's the non-conscious part. So the agree after reflecting is our sort of, that button is our measurement of starting to see how many people we're giving insights to into like something they weren't aware of. Oh, I see. Yeah. Okay. And I'll agree. Now the cool thing is, right, so now we've identified that I'm in somewhat of a stressed state. It says explore sources of stress. So now we can identify where it's coming from. Slow down, find a safe space, take a deep breath. So here's kind of some of the things that you can do afterward. Yeah. Interesting. And then it shows up green if I do that in the don't detect stress. Yeah, exactly. Okay. And so explore work is the first topic. And now I can explore if it's coming from work. What I'm going to do is just go back to our dashboard page. And these are all the topics. So you can explore all these topics to see where the stress is coming from. Oh, interesting. Okay. That was my check-in from yesterday. Okay. So the topic options. Okay. And then so then what you do is you can look at work, finance, well-being, self-esteem, joy, intimacy, family, flow, autonomy, random. So then when I, let's say I click on intimacy. Yeah. Does that mean I have to be in like an intimate moment or if I'm in work, I have to be at work and then I'm measuring it? No, that's a good question. So let's click on intimacy. So intimacy opens up and it tells you how to set contacts to be in a neutral state. You just have to think about that topic. Oh, so I think. My intimate relationships are healthy. Focus on the statement. Think and feel your response. And then you swipe and whip three times when ready. So each one of those cards has their own sentence that's like my work is healthy or my intimacy is healthy. And then depending on if that statement is true to you, focus on the statement. Think and feel your swipe and whip three times when ready. Okay. My intimate relationships are healthy. Okay. So I focus on it. Feel it. Okay. Okay. And then you whip. Swiped. Whip one, two, three. That's fitted to me, but let's see if this is accurate. Does that feel true? It's okay. It says stress not detected. I've been sacrificing a lot of what I've been working on with intimate relationships for what we're building with the show. But at the same time, I do have healthy intimate relationships. So also this is, you would want to do this on your own phone. That's true. This is on your phone. It's unique to me. It's unique to you. When you sign up, there's demographic information you give that help with the precision of our signal. Oh, interesting. So you might get a better insight. I would overall agree. Cool. Tap agree then. Oh, tap agree. You're getting feedback to it. Great job managing this part of your life. Interesting. Okay. Cool. Okay. So there's these topics. Okay. Interesting. What am I, this just gives me a more instantaneous response into feedback, a close feedback loop into how I'm managing my stress in each one of those topics of my life. And it should, a percentage of the time help you potentially identify an area you might not be aware of that's a source of stress. And I'm really glad you hit intimate relationships, because that was one in our early research that I hit on that was like an eye opener for me. So we had a baby. Love so much. Her name is Charlie. Congratulations, Charlie. Charlie. It's a girl. And she's the joy of my life. I think I saw on the lock screen. Yeah, that's her. It's like a couple of years old or like one and a half. One and a half. But the point is that, so about six months after she was born, I was exploring the protocol on intimate relationships. And I, you know, I did the statement. I did the gesture. It says stress not detected. And immediately my monkey brain was like, I'm sorry, it says stress detected. And if that's what I said, immediately my monkey brain was like, oh, that's not true. I want to shut it down. And then I stopped for a second. I was like, no, it totally is true. It's been like six months and I've totally neglected my wife since we've had the baby. And I was completely unaware of it. And like there was total stress building between her and I that like, I'm pretty sure if they kept going would turn into something gnarly. But in that moment I stopped and I went and talked to her. And I told her, I was like, look, I just saw stress detected on intimate relationships. Like how are you feeling? And she's like, yeah, I definitely feel stressed towards you. And I'm like, holy shit. And we had a conversation and it literally transformed our relationship in that moment. Because we also went and changed it, you know, and you know, got deep and intimate with each other. Yeah. Damn. And I wasn't aware. I really wasn't aware. And I'm confident it would have went on that path of like, you know. Oh, interesting. So there's a couple of things here. So first is that it doing doing our life trajectories can go so many different ways. And if we think sometimes that things may be going smoothly perfectly fine, but we don't necessarily know that the way that we actually are with one of our loved ones can be on a trajectory that might not be so healthy. So to be able to check in like this. Yeah. And push, put ourselves on to a healthier trajectory. Yeah. It's awesome. I think it's like so in like you, I love the way you just described that that was perfectly put. Because the way you describe that is fits so well to how fast life is moving. And as a function of the speed of our life, we stuff things down. And then we lie to it. I wish there was a better word for it, but we lie to ourselves. Yeah. I don't want us to say it. We lie to ourselves as a mechanism to help ourselves with efficiency. So it's like, yeah, my relationship is fine. Let's keep going. I don't have time for that right now, so let's keep going. And we believe that. Damn. The pace of life is creating potentially no time for feeling. Yeah, right. Yeah. Even though it's my wife. Yeah. That's literally what my monkey brain wanted to do. It was like, yeah, it's like stressed. Oh, I have to get back to work. Yeah. She's fine. That was an intimate moment there in six months. Like what? Yeah. You know, it was crazy. And it wasn't six months, but it was long. That's a good, yeah, that's a good check in. Yeah. System. And it's your body. And that's the point. The real technology is your body. And that's really what we're looking to do with Sensei is we're amplifying something that's already there, which is your feelings. You know, and that's what we're really looking to carry the flag on is like, look, we got to come back into this. You know, we got to come back into this and find a way to love it and embrace it so that we can integrate it and live healthy for a lot of reasons. Damn. Our emotions regulate our immune system being one of them, right? Like it's a whole nother conversation. But the more we get into our feelings and learning our emotions, the more we're able to manage our health more appropriately, right? More effectively, I should say. Potentially. Yeah. So this is a physical way to measure with using technology the current state of our relationship with work or with intimacy. How do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel? So the application you just saw wore those things and we're starting there. But then what we're doing is we're also working with different researchers and healers because there's a lot of really powerful healing techniques that use muscle testing that require a doctor to be present. And now we can take those techniques and meet a much larger audience at scale. So it's how you feel because they're using the felt experience to identify the root cause of the stressor. I can give examples on that. Yeah, do it. So there's a doctor. She's our scientific advisor now out of Oxford University. Her name is Dr. Ann Jensen. She did her whole PhD at Oxford on muscle testing. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. In a lot of ways she's amazing. She has like four masters, like two post grads, chiropractor. She's just an amazing woman. She's so smart. So she also has a program called HeartSpeak. And HeartSpeak uses muscle testing to identify if stress is present based on a certain topic. So for work, for example. And then identify what the emotional causes of that stressor. Is it anger? Is it fear? Is it sadness? There's like seven different emotions it goes through. And then once it's identified the emotion with the muscle test, she then uses a posture based exercise to evoke the stressful emotion. So let's say anger is identified with work. You come forward into a ball. You use the posture of anger. Your hands are in a fist. You're missing the face. And you start creating the emotion of anger. And what's interesting is you feel it burning off as you're evoking it. So you feel anger slowly burning off. And then once it's cleared, you sit up and you smile and you pivot to joy. Every stressful emotion has a different non-stressful emotion that it pivots to you. And when you're pivoting to joy, you're smiling. Your shoulders are rolling back. Your hands are open. You're rewriting the memory of work from anger to joy using the process of memory reconciliation. Which is how memory works. So that you can be at work and no longer feel stressed. Our technique is so powerful. It's changed my life. Would we also want to change work though too? Work that we are more passionate about doing? Right. That's a great question. And for sure. And I think another question that would follow is would you be more effective at making the decision with a clearer mind? Instead of making the decision out of reaction to anger. That's great. So then you can be clear. I'd be like, oh, this is shit. My boss is abusing me. I need to get out of here. So you can measure the state of the feeling of the body. So her work is measuring the state of the feeling of the body. She's identifying muscle tension. Muscle tension. In which part of the body? Well, so she does this test. In her manual work, she's currently doing this. And she's asking the question, is it anger? It's fear. Actually it says it. It's anger. It's fear. It's sadness. Oh, it went weak. Whatever the stress, you follow that and you clear that emotion. So sadness is identified. You come forward and you evoke sadness. And then we retest. You evoke sadness. If it's been identified as stress. And then, yeah. Okay. Or anger or whatever. Whatever emotion's been identified. And then you can go through a memory reconciliation process. That uses posture to evoke. That uses posture. Yeah. To clear a stressful emotion and then pivot it to a beneficial emotion. So sad, sad, sad. So for sadness, you actually forward your hands or your faces in your hands and your shoulders are rounding. Your whole body is sort of going limp. And the posture actually can trigger the feeling of sadness. And then so you reflect on that for a moment and then you transition to... Yeah. It's less about reflecting. We don't want to think about the emotion. We want to feel it. We want to feel it. So she uses the right brain, left brain. And we want the left brain to sort of the logical side, right side is the intuitive emotional feeling side. We really want to get into the felt experience and not be thinking about it. You want to try? Sure. Okay. Do you want to do one? Yeah, let's do one. I'm certified in our technique. Okay. So let's do it. So just cross your legs. Okay. Yeah. So we'll do the muscle test. Okay. Bring to mind something that's stressful in your life at the moment. Whatever it is, you don't have to talk to me about it or tell me about it. Okay. Just think about it. All right. When it's present and you feel the feelings of stress, let me know. I went right into it. We have to test something first. Say out loud, where do you live? San Francisco. Say I live in San Francisco. I live in San Francisco. Resist up into my hand. Okay. Resist up. Okay. Say I live in San Francisco. I live in San Francisco. Say I live in Tokyo. I live in Tokyo. Okay, good. It even feels silly, right? It's like, right, that's a felt experience. The body's like, no, no, I don't. Look, what's happening, right? This is a full embodied experience. See, this is just ridiculous. Yeah, this is great. So what did you feel when I, what did you feel when I was in Tokyo? There was a wiggle. So there's a, in your shoulder. Yeah. There's a slight recoil when you sit down in San Francisco. There wasn't. You're good to go. Oh, interesting. There's a recoil. Yeah. For Tokyo. There's a bounce. Like a little. And I'm using, you felt it. Same pressure on both. It's light. Whoa, it's light. Yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to. I felt a recoil too. Yeah. Yeah. And so now what I just did was I calibrated. So it's basically the body will hold the score and be like, I don't know why don't. What are you talking about? You're cool. You're not even laughing, which is just really cool to see. So I asked those two questions to calibrate. Calibrate. Because sometimes you can be in a state that it's flipped, which is interesting. Oh, you can be in a flipped state. Yeah. Yeah. So like, yeah. We don't know why, but it's just. What percentage of people are in that state? Somewhere between like 15 and 20, I would say. And you can also be sort of in a fried state. So if you're like dehydrated or super overtired, like, it's not going to work. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's why I calibrated. Okay. See if you're. Yeah. So that was the calibration. Yeah. Okay. So now put the, you want me to push back. Yeah. Just that light. Little bit. That's good. Now bring to mind whatever it is that's stressful in your life, whatever the topic might be. Okay. Stress is present. Is it? Let me know if it is. Little bit. Take your time. The topic is bring it to mind. Okay. All right. Yeah. It's present. All right. Stress present. Yeah. Good. Okay. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most severe, what would you rate it? Five. Five. Okay. Cool. The cause of stress is anger. The cause of stress is fear. The cause of stress is, we're going to go with fear. So we're going to do a heart speak light. So we can go through this quickly. Okay. So we're going to use fear. Okay. So for fear, it's a little bit ear comfort into a ball. Okay. You place your hands or your face in your hands. I want to make sure we're in the shot. Oh, yeah. Okay. So comfort into like that right there. I see the camera. You're in the shot. Okay. So but really put your face in your hand. Okay. So you can use your facial expression. Okay. I want you to feel comfortable so you can really evoke it. So. Okay. Yeah. Feeling it. Yes. Yes. So I'm going to guide you through it. So there's no need to know why you're afraid now. That's not important. It's the feeling that's important. Letting go of any thoughts about fear. Just allowing yourself to have the felt experience of fear. We use the posture of fear. So sort of burying your face into your hands, trying to hide almost. Allowing the shoulders to round, letting the body go weak. Allowing any sort of facial expression that might be natural for you to evoke the feeling of fear. Whatever your face might look like when you're afraid. Allow that facial expression to occur. Be brave. There's no need to know why we're afraid. That's not important now. It's just the feeling. Search every cell, tissue and organ of your body for the feeling of fear. Keep searching for it. Keep looking for it. The feelings of fear may come in waves as they start to subside. Take a breath and look again. Using the whole posture, the whole body of the face, or expression to evoke the feeling of fear. This is your time to clear it. Be with it. Allow it to be felt through the whole body. Keep evoking it. When you reach the point where you feel like fear has been cleared, take a breath and look one more time scanning the whole body for the cell, tissue, organ of the body. Keep looking for it. Once you feel like the feelings of fear are clear, you can sit up with your eyes closed, but really take your time to be with it. Nice. Stay with your eyes closed. We'll roll the shoulders back. Now instead of fear, reach inside and find the central column of knowing. It's always there inside. Reach in and find it. Enjoy it. Allow this feeling of knowing to permeate every cell, tissue and organ of your body. Feeling it from the top of your head, through your shoulders, your heart, solar plexus down through your stomach, into your hips, your thighs, your shins, your calf, your toes. Allow the feeling of knowing to wash all through your body and when you're good there, you can blink your eyes open. Yeah. Mmm. How was it? Mmm. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check that stuff. That was good. Good. So, scale of 1 to 10, what would you rate it now, whatever that topic was? Whatever that topic was, how do I rate it now in terms of what? How stressful it is. How stressful it is. Yeah, so go back to it and think about it. Oh, yeah. How stressful it is? Yeah, now. Yeah, just shoulder strong. What was it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, resist into my hand, press into my hand. Okay, resist okay. Yeah. And just think about the topic. Okay. Let me know when the felt experience is there, or when you have it present. Okay, it's present. Okay. Stress present? I mean, yeah. There was a little bit, but we could go again. But, yeah, it looked way firmer. Yeah. Yeah. The, I think probably one of the most interesting aspects to that is, yeah, come closer. Yeah. Sorry about that. I should turn my chair. Yeah, you're good there. Probably one of the most interesting aspects of that is the diving deep into the feeling in the body of whatever the thing was that we decided to explore in a moment, right? So, what is it Alan? What is that thing? And then the scanning of the body for where that thing is. And you're like, okay, feel it deeper. Okay, feel it deeper. Okay, feel it deeper. And then it's like, where is it? Yeah. Where? Right. Right. And then it's the process of like, it's nonexistent. Yeah. Yeah. So, kind of, you can go through maybe a process of identifying, okay, well, I had the thought, maybe I had the feeling, but then I'm scanning for it and where is it? Yeah. So, I think that that sort of central column of knowing was, in many ways, it's like, that's destiny in a sense, is that maybe that central column of knowing is that everything is perfect exactly the way it is. Yeah. And how wonderful is that? Yeah, how wonderful is that. So, what is this fear nonsense if everything is perfect the way that it is? And that you're meant to uncover that moment exactly when you're meant to uncover it with you and your wife. Yeah. Yeah, whatever it is. Right. And then so that technique that when doing manually, we can now do a sensei. And so to your point in our future release, that will be in there as a healing modality so that on your own, instead of having a doctor do a muscle test, you know, if you identify that intimacy is a place of stress, I can now identify the emotional cause, clear it. On the other side of that, maybe have the confidence or courage to go and speak to my wife about what's going on. Yeah. Right? Or whatever it is that's going on. But by clearing the emotional state, we then have this presence where we can do anything. Yeah. Right? Correct. Correct. You need this practice, well, not only of wanting to dive deeper into the current state that we're feeling, so it's our desire to actually open up sensei and go through that process, but also then of this clearing, the feeling of being cleared so that you can make these confident moves in the direction of doing something like healing. Yeah. Yeah. The whole process is a process of, it's a vulnerability, a process of, in many ways, confidence. You have to be vulnerable to go through this process. Then you have to be confident to take action on how you want to make that change. And then realizing that that feedback loop that you're going through is potentially unlocking new states of consciousness, new states of being for you, new fruits for you. Yeah. And it's great. Yeah. Good stuff. Thanks. Three years of research to lead into even the first developments of the application. Yeah. Well, we just did a lot of different, a lot of that research was understanding how muscle testing can be applied. So we did research with everything from employee surveys to food allergies to positive psychology and meditation techniques. And we did some work with Dr. Martin. Finder's course. Yeah, we love him. Yeah. He did. So what's the idea is that before my body was keeping the score and was like, no, you actually like feel quite a bit towards that thing. I was set five, right? Yeah. And then at afterward, the body was like maybe a tiny bit, but you're much more like, yeah. So you felt less of a. Yeah. I mean, the first one, there was a deep, it was a deep wiggle. And then the second one, there was a little wiggle. And so there's still something. So the muscle wiggles or recoils. Recoils. The muscle recoils when there's a lie. This is complex when we get into this level. So, but yeah. I love the weasel. When there's stress. When there's stress. When there's stress. This is well documented in physiology. You pick up a weight, the weight's too heavy. How did you know that weight was too heavy when you put it down? We don't ever stop and ask that question. We're just like, I knew it was too heavy, right? There's a tendon in your body that connects everywhere there's muscle fiber. There's Golgi tendons. That's the name of the tendon. Golgi tendons connect muscle fiber. The skeletal wall, it is a sensory organ. It's a tendon that's also a sensory organ. The Golgi tendon has something called the Golgi reflex. So when there's too much stress or tension on muscle fiber, the Golgi tendon recoils and that sends a neuromuscular signal to the brain saying too much stress and tension put down the physical weight. Now think about psychologically when you're stressed and tensed, right? The body is flexing and you're literally, or there's tension, right? When you're stressed and tensed, there's tension. And it's the body sending a signal to the brain saying, whatever you're doing, stop. We don't listen to it, right? We push through it, we get sick, we get ill, we get into fights, all kind of things, right? Well, if you slow down and listen to the body and when it whispers, we don't have to crumble when it's screaming, right? Which is sickness. Interesting. Right, so we learn to listen to the subtle feelings of our body. We can be guided by what might be optimal for us and our health is sort of the premise here. Whoa, okay, so the subtle signals of the body rather than the crumbling that happens when it's screaming. So listening to the whispers of when you have something psychologically or physically that is hard, that's stressful. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay, okay, so Sensey, where can people go to explore Sensey? Oh, thanks. The App Store. So we just go to the App Store, we're now on Android and we're on iOS. S-E-N-S-I-E. Sensey, just search Sensey. Just Sensey, it'll be the first thing it shows up. Okay, great, on iOS and Android. And what is, this is so much more to unpack, we'll have to do more conversation about this soon. Yeah, love that. And the domain also is Sensey. Oh, it's actually SenseyApp, SenseyApp.com. Okay, SenseyApp.com, S-E-N-S-I-E. App.com and search for Sensey in the App Stores. I want to ask you, do you think we're in a simulation? Oh, wow, that's a big question. It does feel that way, doesn't it? Wow, do we have another hour? I wonder that very often. I, it's a good question in one that I feel like there's smarter people in this conference that might be able to address that better than me, but I do really wonder that. What do you think is the most beautiful thing in the world? What's inside of us? What's, I'm only going to start to cry. What's in our hearts? What's here? I'm going to start crying. There is something here when we embrace our bodies that is so beautiful. So beautiful, man. These are tears of joy. It's just so beautiful. And I rejected my body for so long. And the sooner I started to embrace it, the more of this. And by the way, this feels so good. I might be crying, but it's like tears of joy and bliss. It's like whatever is here feels so good. Feels so good. Making a mess now. But yeah, that, yeah, yeah. Wow. You knew the right question to ask me. Wow. That was a good question. It's like, I want some of that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like tapping in like that. Yeah. Wow. I really like that question, by the way. Good. Start asking everyone that question. I love that one too. Stay on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. This has been such a pleasure. Likewise. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you. Huge pleasure. Wow. Joy, man. Thank you. Congrats on all the work. Thanks, man. Everyone, check out Sensei. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. We'll have the link to Sensei as well in the comments below. 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