 Well hi hello and a warm welcome to Art Biz Tv. My name's Sophie Meheir and my guest today is the super-tal empath Jodi MacKee. Jodi has worked for many years as a spiritual and shamanic teacher. She's an experienced clairvoyant and channel as well as being an author and professional artist. Bringing her authentic presence and psychic awareness to her work, she has facilitated courses, sessions and lectures internationally. Llywodraeth rwy'r llwyafolau a llawdau ychydigol, neu'r llwyddoedd ymddiolol, mae'n ddweud i'ch gael y rhanol o'r llwyddoedd, sy'n ddim yn gweithio'r llwyddoedd, ymddiol, ymddiol a'r llwyddoedd. Yn ymddiol, mae'n ddysgrifwyr o'r llwyddoedd o'r llwyddoedd. Joti wedi ymddiol, mae'n ddysgrifwyr o'r llwyddoedd, o'r Llywodraeth, o'r Llywodraeth, o'r Llywodraeth, a'r angen o gyfoesol ar gyfer'r hyn, i'r hyn o'ch cyffredig o'r hyn o'r ddim yn ei fath i gael ychydig unig ddweud ymlaen nhw, ychydig i'r gwahodd creadol. A fyddwn ni'n gwybod i'r awdurdod, rydyn ni'n meddwl ymlaen i'r hyn o'r hyn. Wel, yna ychydig i'r hyn o'r gwahodd rwy'r hyn, Yn ymdweud yw'r wneud, mae yw'r gwahodd ar ôl yn ddweud y pethau ffyrdd ar gyfer. Fur amdano'r ydw'r gwahodd josi. Dwy'n ddweud, Sophie. Yn ymdweud yn ymdweud. Fy fyddaeth yw'n fwy fydda'r ffyrdd am yw, ac mae'n meddwl am yw'r ymdweud yw'r tifon yw. Yn ymdweud yn ymdweud yw ymdweud, yma'r ymdweud yw ymdweud yw'r ymdweud. morning. So you have a totally unique set of skills and experience, can you tell us a little bit about how that came to be. Yeah, when it started in childhood I mean, and this is looking back later, I had psychic experiences I could see a ghost of my grandmother and things that I realised other people couldn't see. So what I did with that was I always I always loved drawing so I draw what I saw and that sort of helped kind of keep me feeling oh this is okay it's quite stable I spoke to my mum once about it she said please don't tell anybody keep quiet no this is this is back a long while ago and you know people could be a bit funny so I did and instead drew what I saw and so that was lovely you know it just sort of kept going then by the time I reached my 20s because I still kept quiet about it even though was having some quite strong experiences sometimes when I was at Cambridge you know and because all those old buildings oh god anyway so by my late 20s with my boyfriend we went to stay the night with a couple of ladies who and this is just like the 1970s early 1970s where one was a kinesiologis back then and one was a something else I think it was with theosophy people I only just let them met them I thought they were wonderful stayed tonight and they had oh that night they had five dogs all running around wild as anything and one fat cat who stopped about the fire so in the morning I woke up a bit late and I thought oh god better get down for breakfast and I'm going down the stairs from my room went on the on this window sill was this big fluffy white cat and I thought oh great I've got another cat you know so I dashed in the kitchen saying sorry I'm late for breakfast and I said that's all right and I said oh I love your other cat and she kept on stirring the porridge away what she was doing and she said what other cat and I said really you know your big white fluffy one she said oh that's great my dear that cat died about 10 years ago it was here you know so I was a bit shocked and and sat down and she said you've got to use this you know this scale this is a gift and I thought oh okay so yeah but combine that and it made perfect sense and it was a way of keeping you know balanced and a lot of artists have this don't we that we are sort of outside the usual way people operate we're the onlooker so it was incredible what a great story what a great story now you mentioned Cambridge and of course obviously as a fellow Brit I'm like yeah I can visualise walking down the streets in Cambridge so other people might be thinking well where's Cambridge about your background and you know what brought you to where you are today I guess including that journey through Cambridge okay well I went to this lovely college at Cambridge I had to struggle to get there because I come from working class background in Nottingham which is in Midlands in England and it only doesn't it's okay we're going to go when UK yeah and of course mostly back then we went to work in a factory or a shop and I didn't want to do that so I got myself a further education against my parents' wishes not their fault they didn't realise and then I went to this college in Cambridge maybe because I had a boyfriend who was applying for Cambridge applied to this beautiful college called Hormerton I went for the interview and met this wonderful Dr Heddon Morris her name was she was the head of the literature department and she said oh we must have you you know I was spouting poetry to just because I love reading you know I've read your life and I showed her my arch said oh yes yes you've got a great art department so I went to Hormerton College and there of course you know pursued both plus theatre because Cambridge has got quite a good theatre so I was in plays design the costumes and the makeup I had a ball wow so you were straight into a little bit of everything right in those early days yeah yeah yeah yeah so so that's how that began and then because my boyfriend's Scottish and because I've been to Edinburgh and loved it I moved to Edinburgh and you know was working full time as a teacher right which is when I had I had a near death experience I had a car crusher head on car collision here and I went on holiday and another car hit his head on wow so I thought after that oh wait a minute you know could have been dead so how do I want to live yeah isn't that that's just that's phenomenal that is literally a waking up moment I suppose I decided to quit my full-time job and be an artist oh love it I do this date but you know I did go and ask a couple of artists a bit grumpy to work quite frankly at the Edinburgh Festival and they said well well you know just get book a place and put your paintings up so actually that's what I did first year at the Edinburgh Festival booked a room big old building there's been a bank and very successful sold lots of paintings one painting I'd done at the first of fourth which is this beautiful estuary near Edinburgh and I'd done it very abstract in her lines and things and this bloke came in he was in you know like a biker's uniform with his he said he was a diver you know into the estuary and when he came up out of the water that was the view he saw magical just the way he knew it to be so he bought that painting which was great he was great so straight out of the job this experience straight into the next step yeah yeah and then the next year I had a again a sell-out exhibition on the Royal Mile which is just down from the castle in a beautiful building called the Saltire Society and of course you've got 10,000 more people at the Edinburgh Festival bigger to to partake of all the goodies so that was really good and just roughly give us a ballpark where what what era are we talking what what years are you yeah that's that's the 70s it's more yeah late late 1970s yeah plus you know to supplement that I was also teaching art yeah yeah so lovely combination okay so what happened then what were the steps between Edinburgh and Perth Australia well because of my my spiritual side of my nature my wanting to know who am I what's what's this world about how come I could see things you know differently yeah I am I found meditation uh through a group of people and yeah as a lot of us did back then and found a wonderful guru quite a controversial one of adults I'm seeing if I use here I just thought oh well this is I didn't know the word of the gurus I just I didn't know anything about that mainly because of church not Christ but anyway um so I went to India and um yeah so uh while I was in India uh I went twice the first first time was wonderful I had a great time and yeah came back and um it was an exhibition not of the paintings then but of paintings when I got back and again they sold fine and then the second time I went for almost a year um that was 1981 by then and the paint watercolours of India yeah cool again because that's my view you know and my sister was part of a um in Nottingham part of the festival of India of Indian people live in Nottingham uh for that year so she arranged for me to have an exhibition of these paintings which again was wonderful it was lovely because it was in a building with Indian Indian women dancing and music yeah surrounded by all that the music the colours the smells of the food no doubt oh i'm really wonderful yeah so what happened after India what was the next step from India we're a little bit closer to Australia now the next step was meeting a man who I married ah that would do it it all sort of changed and um he and I decided that we moved to London uh to do he wanted to do this therapist training he'd been in academia for a long while he was kind of bored with that quite a wild Scottish man uh so um which Scotsman often are uh so we moved to London and uh I joined in the festival of Myswell uh it was great you know it's very it was wonderful group stuff and learning a lot about yourself uh so while in London so this is what mid 1980s uh I started to have these dreams uh and in the dreams I was first dream was a a wizened grandmother with green hair and I had a pain to hurt you was so exciting and then the next night another grandmother said what's going on and getting visited by all the grandmothers. I was painting them at night because by then I got a job teaching children with physical handicaps they were gorgeous and then within about a week I thought I think this is a tarot pack and I said to her from during and they said yes you're doing a tarot pack so that was the healing earth then that's when that started that was what was right back then I don't know why I somehow thought that that was quite a more recent thing okay this is part of the journey it knows seven years later I completed what is in Australia you have to persevere this on times folks definitely 100 percent yeah so they're all watercolors there's 108 of them yeah and and I'll never forget one day so we have this little flat and cottage slope here in WA and my husband came and he said oh he said it's just dawned on you hasn't it you've got to write a book to go with the images I said yeah which I did and we sent it off to a few publishers and the fourth publisher took it in the US and sold out 10 and a half thousand copies wow congratulations that's amazing isn't it but there we are again will you tell us how did you get then from London like you know what was the decision that brought you to WA oh yes well um so we're getting near the end of this therapist training and quite a number of friends you see Chernobyl had happened uh and that's why we moved to London partly because of the radioactive cloud yeah and quite a number of friends were emigrated to Australia and he said oh why not emigrate to Australia you know if you do if you do and um so we tried we tried to get my um husband's daughter he'd been married before to come with us but she wasn't quite ready and we couldn't quite get enough you have to have points to emigrate yes that's right points back in those days points made prizes no just below and we thought oh what are we going to do and then uh David my husband um a friend told him that there was two jobs going that he could apply for right in Brisbane with the university and was in Perth I mean we didn't know Brisbane or Perth there's no internet then uh we looked at photos of them and they're known as Cyclopedia oh my goodness me I love that which one which one yeah and I said oh I like Perth it looks really nice and he said well I'll I'll apply for the job so he did that and um he got both jobs yeah great anyway um and he's a bit sort of what would you call him uh pushy uh so uh yeah so he said well let's go for Perth because you like it so we went for Perth isn't that incredible I love it what a what an incredible journey so how long have you been here now then we arrived uh in January 1988 yeah okay so a fair time a fair time that's incredible what what a fantastic journey so I mean well we were going to ask you this question how long have you been doing what you're doing today but it seems like oh yeah well I yeah I thought well forever uh like from childhood childhood in terms of it you know combining um the psychic visionary side spiritual side with with the creativity I'd say 35 years yeah yeah so it you know a main chunk of your life really so you know how does that let's let's talk about the art we can see a beautiful piece right behind you yes you want to just yeah I was going to say yeah do you want to tell us first off a little bit about that piece and then I want to find out how the art integrates in with what you do okay this arrive this one's called running with stars yeah um it came actually while I was meditating one day came as in I get the vision probably a lot of other artists do too you like get your painting for me or almost all except that envision is actually alive as well whereas you know paintings flap something but anyway it's quite challenging with painting a horse I imagine he is I've painted a lot of horses so I do know their anatomy and um you know I have spent a lot of time drawing because I've I believe that's the way you know you go look at something and really see it yes um in the vision though interesting was that the horse to me looked rather ethereal when I started to draw him yeah came out very strong yes I think that's quite a powerful horse yes not in danger sort of no no no it's a very powerful it's very present it's got huge energy behind it yeah yeah so um I mean the tricky bit was and some of it I painted with it lying on the floor uh you know all these movement of stars and the sort of galactic type of energy that had to be done wet yep and just sploshing the paint on with a big fat brush uh which I thoroughly enjoyed and and you know it just came so you know to me it's a vision of of of well as you can see like the freedom that we will because horses to me are free animals and they've helped us by we can get on their backs and ride them but you know they've got this tremendous freedom and beauty about them absolutely so all your paintings arrive in vision so you know how does it all play I wish they did they don't all okay tell us a little bit more well some are are sheer experiments if I'm not doing you know like say of course if I'm doing the spirit guides or the animal well the animal shields are an interesting one because I have to arrange say a person's got five six seven animals and they may be very different animals you might get a stingray with an elephant so you've got to arrange them into into a painting that's beautiful that but someone will enjoy having so that takes of course design skill and composition yes okay and drawing and drawing um with other paintings no so if I experiment I put some colour on and see what will happen I let it run down the page I sit back and have a look and think I think I'll add that to it you know I mean I do have years of of knowing what colours go with what and and I'm happy to experiment and times for it to be a mess oh that's such a key thing isn't it it's so easy to avoid the mess and just go with playing safe and I love that you embrace the mess by the sounds yeah chaos comes to be part of creativity I think it's very much you know often I don't know about you but in a painting I'll reach this point where I'm not sure if it's going to work or not and I mean even after all this time and I call it wrestling with the angel yeah because you feel as if yeah it's almost there it's sort of and will it or won't it or yes it's going to go yeah will it or won't it so how do you how do you ride out that bit how do you get it through that that phase I think it's a fine balance between trusting the passion in your heart you know that and the sort of intuition and also the patience to sit back for a while and just sort of gaze at it and maybe have a cup of tea I know did you try to get a cup of tea so have a cup of tea and just sit and look at it and go hmm and and not have any clue although you might use your mind and mine might come in and say what if you put a little bit of pink over there yeah what would happen yeah a waiting as well with acrylics which are better than oils in that respect that's right so much more immediate right right yeah waiting for it to dry so yeah so sort of combination for those magical wow okay so you're on this incredible journey that you've had what what challenges would you say that you've encountered when you were starting out or just along this fabulous creative journey that you've had or having well that first of course initial leap into the void without a job I soon discovered idealistic me I thought oh I haven't got any money so yeah money really you have finances how to make money because when you know life of course what popped up fairly quickly was I met this wonderful man who's passed on a marvellous artist who was a watercolour artist and then uh yeah did it was a Scottish colourist his name was Hugh and he said well um you know I'm I'm teaching art for adults adult education classes they are looking for another teacher how about joining me so I did that yeah yeah actually how I managed sort of thing um the first challenge you'd say kind of just you took the leap and it's like oh my god okay where's the income coming from but that that that led to the teaching job what are the challenges did you encounter not really having a clue as to how to plan you know I didn't never thought well art is actually a business as well yeah clue what to do about that other than you know I'd gone and asked a few artists and yeah depending on how they felt you know they told me and I had some exhibitions but I didn't really tell you about how to run the business then no no idea of how to run it as a business you know and that would have helped a lot I think a young woman just having a go you know um so how did you you know how did you get past that you know so quite two those are probably two major challenges right they're probably the biggest challenges not having an income taking a leap and then not understanding that actually if I want to do this how do I how do I do it as a business how did you overcome that well I'd say two ways for income in terms of one was as I said that teaching yeah and then later on I got a part-time job um in the social work department yeah which was very lucky to do I think um and uh exhibitions yeah actually my I mean of course you know you're in Edinburgh capital Scotland which has a lot of galleries and the galleries are my arts people seem to like it uh so you know my art was selling and people liked it and then I went to Glasgow I sketched the Scottish ballet and I did a series of watercolours of them and they also sold at a gallery yeah so I think it's well I think we mentioned that earlier is it listening to what people want as well yeah that was going to be the so the the next the next question was was um around you know if if if somebody's listening and they're thinking oh my god okay you know what advice would you give them like if you were starting again what advice would you give them I know that when we we chatted a bit before you had some fantastic tip so can you share those with everyone yeah well uh well that was that was on my list but listening to others without of course you know um compromising what you want to create I mean I remember my dear mom used to say and funny aha just thinking that she used to say why don't you do nice paintings like horses galloping on a beach oh and I think oh and this is when I was a teenager I think no you know I wanted to really start you know yeah I want to do my art yeah yeah I want to do what you know stirring me and so uh you know luckily I I love beauty and I love creating something that's beautiful for others to look at well I hope it's beautiful and uh you know that they go oh I'd like to have that but it seems to me that art should touch people's hearts as well yes I totally agree I totally agree so along with listening so I live talking about listening for opportunities listening you told a story listening to even just one person asking you something what was can you just tell what what that was about yes well yes that you know uh and that's not not just in my art but in what it's my art but it's also in my my courses that I run um but yes I've I've learned to pay attention when somebody like going back to the women's power shields I was running courses for women and they said jody or I think it's one woman and uh maybe said could you paint something that reflects back to me my own power this is something a lot of women certainly used to struggle with is is being in your own power without being you know overly masculine or or you know aggressive or anything like that yep and I said oh yeah okay so I started painting reflections for women most of the art had a goddess in that that woman in particular tended to resonate with again that went by intuition not by saying now which goddess would you like me to paint yeah absolutely way around you know so listening to what people are saying who would love more of that yeah beautiful like my horses people love the horses and um and I love horses so they go it's win-win sort of thing yeah so that's it so then then you go ahead and work with that okay what else what other what other advice you had I think some p words i did you share your p words my p words are yeah severance and that you know and I've learned to persevere I didn't first but I learned to persevere don't give up on something even if it doesn't work first time around you know it might work second time around I think we talked about a bit about that didn't we about it do you want to share that little story that's just such a magical story about your workshop yeah I ran when I first came here to WA in 1988 I got invited by the centre to run some workshops on the medicine wheel but Native American medicine wheel and I painted all the images and there are a lot of images in the medicine wheel and you can do sort of meditations and exercises with them so I ran a course on that I had about 50 people a night for it we're all crammed in there it was great and then I decided to run it again same centre but run it at a different time a lot of four people what happened you know oh did it felt sort of bit down about it first thinking like well obviously I just made the timing wrong but out of that group of four was a quiet big gentle man who invited me to go and oh no sorry who told his parents who ran a centre a beautiful meditation centre in the northern suburbs his dad came another session with me and they became fantastic friends for about 20 years isn't that incredible because yeah sometimes it's really easy to see oh I've had this successful workshop now I've run it again at a different time and oh I've only got four but actually presumably you've run it again or something similar you continued yeah didn't put you off very tight no no I mean at first I was downholtered quite fresh but then you know picked myself up and thought well just give it another go maybe the timing's wrong you know I think that's such a big theme you know listening to your story it's like let's just try that give that a go keep going all right so perseverance you've got listening perseverance what other what other of those advice give us another p patience yes which is a quality I've had to learn yeah because uh yeah I want it now and I want to do it absolutely I want it right now all these ideas and yeah so patience yeah being patient with yourself and with the growth of your artist business yeah it'll grow yeah yeah like like you can't pull the plant up by its by its leaves it's not going to grow if you do that you've got to water it and take care of it yeah absolutely passion was the other one oh yes you need some passion and sometimes you don't feel like we're very passionate that uh yeah it's there passion might be cooking away quietly somewhere like a pot of soup or something but it's still there so what would you say to somebody who for example let's take the the horses yeah is is wanting desperately to make money from their art they know they're good at horses it's not really their passion but they just they're like okay well I'll paint some horses what advice would you give them at that point do you think well find you know if you really want to paint horses and you know you're good at it and you can make some money from it uh get passionate about the money for a star but that's going to help you with um with whatever else you want to do if you want to paint you know spiders hanging from closets or something that's fine as well but it's a great example out of the blue well actually I was just thinking of me when I was younger here in my my surrealist days I would oh absolutely yeah so um you know say to yourself well I'm going to paint this horse really well you know get passionate about I can do this really well I'm developing my skills because painting a horse is not easy yeah absolutely absolutely I would I would agree so I love that actually because I we do obviously come across people who are feeling like oh I want to make money so I'll just do this and then I think they have that negative emotion attached to what you're saying is actually find a reason to get in touch with the passion so that yeah that project really fly yeah yeah that's what you're going to do and you if you like envision them all the money you're going to make from you or and what you can then do with that yeah yes what you can do with it yeah you can fund yourself for other things can't you love it and so yeah you've got your passion it's just where you want to focus it totally totally so we okay well I loving loving that there's some great advice in there um now you mentioned this lovely metaphor the tree metaphor and I think this is a really good time to talk about that can you can you tell us a little bit about about that because I really love how you describe that and I think that's pertinent for everybody who wants to develop themselves develop develop develop their art and also just pull all those things that they're doing perhaps together so tell us a little bit about that well I feel that you know as an artist you you grow like a great tree not a little skin piece that's sapling or something you've got to go really strong you know a big oak or what have we got here a modern bay fig or something you know the first thing is that seed of your passion to be an artist and to create but there it is you've got your seed and you know like an oak tree as a tiny seed doesn't it just an acorn but boy watch out you know um and so get your seed and then first of all start from the bottom up because that's what trees do so grow your roots and the roots are your foundations so build your foundations be uh earthy and practical about it you know like if you if you need to learn how to paint a horse learn how to paint a horse if you need skills to be able to put paint on well go and learn how to put colours together go and learn how to have your canvases you know in the right shape et cetera et cetera build your foundations first your your earthiness as it were put down your roots and of course the main route being that route of your deep commitment your passion that you're you're going to make a go of this you know this is your life you're going to do it and and then you build it you know your trunk grows naturally out of that and your trunk is is that part of you that's that's every day that's just every day the trunk is building its its bark and it's and its system and everything this is what you're doing you're building your systems uh you know if you need to learn well you know like how to make it a good business then you do that as well don't you you know but it's a trunk on a big tree you don't see straightaway it might be little flimsy thing but you know if it's got good roots it'll stay there and then finally you know your branches you're branching out your maybe experimenting trying different things different avenues all your branches are growing more directions and and the leaves and of course then there's the fruit of that your fruit of your labours as they say you know and and uh there was a great tree you could shelter others under your under oh i like that that's great yeah oh that's beautiful that's my metaphor yeah i love that i think it's you know a lot again of listening to you it's it's it's the patience thing but it's it's also actually your inner self that your inner strength i am the artist and i will try this i'll have a go at that i'm not just going to give up because something didn't happen this is the passion this is the life this is where this is what i'm doing and you've taken chances and you've gone with things and i think a lot of people will resonate with that because i think we sit in this world of oh will it look good on instagram well you know it's irrelevant you agree your business like i do did before thank goodness before that world existed yes it's not about that actually it's really about what you're doing and your message and in your case my case too as well how we pull all these threads together oh absolutely yeah yeah make that work yeah that's just super now you've mentioned of course that you're teaching and you've mentioned this this deck so i think that people might be a little bit intrigued so tell us a little about what all the things that you offer at the moment like what do you offer at the moment give us a little bit of a product spray what have you got okay this is my canopy canopy canopy um what do i offer well uh there is my healing earth book and deck you can buy that uh you can buy it from my website i have a beautiful new website designed by i think you might hear gorgeous we'll put below so we've got okay so we've got um yeah what else have we got what makes your canopy i offer your readings with the healing earth book and deck i've been doing these readings for 30 odd years okay and you can get a reading on your life direction or any particular thing that you're concerned about that you need focus with uh i am clare voyand which does not necessarily mean that i can tell you exactly what's going to happen in the future because that's up to you but i can point you in good directions to get where you want to go and clare voyand means being able to see clearly um i also have another deck called the teager deck i did all the 33 designs for that that is the breath work and movement and alignment and uh i did all these images to show you exactly what energies you're aligning in your physical body in your energy field and that's done with our deb subert from colorado uh your friend of mine uh i'm going to be in the chasm exhibition coming up in october so i've got paintings as part of your canopy obviously original artwork yep i'm also going to um have i think early next year uh an artist studio um i yeah i think that would be a great thing basically anybody who wants to know and wants to find out more about that i'm going to put all the links to how you can follow uh joti below this video right and finally manage all of this together so this is going to be the key question everybody wants to know you're doing all these different things they seem to weave beautifully together but let's just give us a practical breakdown like okay this morning you've got up and you're doing this interview with me but that's not a normal day i presume no just through an average week how do you manage all the things together i get my diary yeah and i have a plan um i'm seeing clients i make sure i book them in so i've got because i'm not getting any younger i i have time to recover from doing one hour session with them yeah um i um have time for writing because i'd like to write and i'm writing a memoir just now um which is about 30 000 pages in the words in uh that's a good film and we're all relieved it's not 30 000 pages yeah me too yeah i i might slot out a day to paint yep um and i paint fast so probably helped i don't know um but i get exhausted by the end of the day yeah okay so you you find that you get in the studio and you paint it's just it's you're all in you don't do kind of a half an air here half an air there you're all in no no no i could do that with uh you know popping up things on instagram and facebook thanks to sophie suggesting a few wonderful things that i'm doing so with instagram facebook i can you know do a little video or yeah a reel of things or that sort of thing and they can they don't sort of really i mean of course they take time but not not like painting you know you've got to really get in there and say i'm not answering any calls i'm just doing this yeah okay so you switch everything off your painting you're all in all the all the tech all the yeah i love it i love it yeah no disruptions no so you know i've got quite good at planning it's seeing ahead where i want to go so far mornings i wake up very early five six clock i usually like to sit and meditate and i also write i've been writing a journal for years and that sort of reflects back to me where i'm up to yeah i draw in the journal as well yes so um yeah that's about it really that's my day i do take days off and love to see good friends go and have lunch and go out place you've got a lovely balance as well i mean it sounds like you are living the dream life there jaycey feels like it yeah you know i've enjoyed myself and it's all just come together really really nicely so i suppose if you could if you could i'm throwing this question out at you now so okay if you could leave our listeners with i don't know maybe one jam so that they're sitting there and they're thinking oh my goodness me you know i'm just at the beginning of my journey um what's the one thing you want to tell them well i think first of all most um follow your love do what you love special and this time of the world you know don't get into fear it's a waste of time yeah if you dig yourself out quick you know go and paint a nice picture or dance or do something creative get out of fear um what else use both use both your your love you know from your heart and you should mind your intelligence you know if you need to focus and think that is what the mind is very good at yes things through so it's a nice balance i call it like two wings you know you've got the wings of wing of love and you've got the wing of of wisdom you know and wisdom is just simply experiences that you've learned from absolutely yes you know use both of those you've got two wings you could fly oh do you know what that that's amazing you're such an inspiration i could i could talk to you for hours and hours and i i feel like we're going to need to do a revisit in another interview i think down the road because you i feel like you have so much to share with us you know in terms of just just like really going with it stepping into who you are as a creative and then just going on that journey like you say not allowing fear to get in but just like that moment comes in you shake it off you do something that changes your emotional state gets yourself back in in the the way that you want to go yeah all right so where can people find out more about you give us your website one more time i'm going to put everything down below right because i know i forgot to mention that i've talked about perseverance i've been creating this online course for a few years yes called the mystery of the tarot how to use the tarot to deeply enrich your life it is very beautiful even though i say so myself but i have had a lot of wonderful support with creative this course and i'm about to start launching it okay check out for that so can people get on a waiting list for that yes they can yes okay so we're going to put all of the links your website the waiting list for the course where they can purchase the card decks where they can watch your art all of it and your social media links as well because you're you're very good on the socials as well i have to say i like it i rather and i love see what everybody else is doing my goodness me this and you're an artist you're sitting fabulous stuff i think wow you know that i'm liking the inspiration moments isn't it yeah so yeah so my website is is um www.jotimikkihq.com awesome thank you listen thank you so much for the time today i'm so so thrilled to have spoken with you and um i wish you every success and i'm sure we'll catch up locally oh great that's awesome don't forget to follow jayty on on the on the old socials as well i say we'll put put all the links below thank you so much and thank you everybody for watching thank you see us again on the next video take care jayty bye bye everybody