 We only have like 13 minutes left in this session, and I'm told that I need to be on time I'm only going to ask one question I've been preparing this for some time as you might imagine So I have lots of questions here, but I'm only going to put one question to the panel And we don't need answers from everyone But maybe someone who wishes to jump in on this Before I open the floor and that is the question so what next the we've talked about the Possibly indeed creating conditions that would allow the pursuit of a Solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict which would have great great value folk up out has suggested Steps that could be done in that process, but the question is under the auspices of whom? Who how would that process be started? How would it be organized? Who would take the lead on that? Would it be the United Nations the United States the EU? Has offered to host a peace conference. We've seen Egypt host a peace conference very early on that didn't get too far but where you know, how do we begin to Work on a solution under what construct any ideas from any of you What would be most promising? May I say that any solution should start in Israel and in Palestine? Which means we now need a good will capital from Israel saying I am in for a two-state solution because unless that is clear Any effort we're doing is going to be momentarily the willingness of course would need to be there on both sides That's clear, but I'm just wondering under whose auspices Okay, that's one of things the auspices is a is an easy one You can have it under the auspices of the United Nations But the question is who leads the conference and I think if you don't have the heavy weights in It will not lead to anything. I mean remember 1991 if at that time the US Hadn't been there together with the Soviet Union, which was on its last breath It wouldn't have gone forward So it's very clear that the US has to be at the head table and leading it and putting all its weight behind And then you have to ask who are the main associates which the United States needs in the current geopolitical and regional situation And here would say China has to be at the head table There's no I mean you can add others but China has to be there And yet then you have to have the Arab states who already have peace with Israel at the head table We don't have to make peace between Israel and the Emirates or between Israel and Jordan or Israel in Egypt or Israel in Morocco But these states have to be there as key mediators when you say the main players in That would they need to be at the head of the table and dealing with this What about the elephant in the room? What about Iran? Well, the elephant has to be at the table But not at the head table So so Iran does need to be part of this and that that would imply direct talks with Iran Which would be an interesting prospect in itself I Saw there is you wanted to intervene quickly or not just quickly and then I'm gonna open the floor. Yes very quickly It's impossible to take a step deal with the Gaza If you don't also link it to where you're going after gas Arabs will not create a force or be responsible for Gaza After all the devastation that occurred on the ground Unless they can argue. This is a step towards the two-state solution And so there has to be not only a statement also a linkage to where we're going towards the end of this And let me just make again one of my last point You should not be surprised Why the Arabs are looking at the West as being biased you are biased But the the what what surprised people in the Arab world isn't your bias It is how far that bias is when you stand up against a ceasefire against Even the humanitarian ceasefires When you attend a war cabinet, then you can only blame yourself for the perception you leave Okay, that was a Reference to Joe Biden's Visit to to Israel. Okay, we are going to open up the floor now We I see many questions on on both sides We'll start from we'll go one in the middle then to the right and then to the left. So sir I'm Stan Stan Cosmo from Capgemini one observation and a question Observation is that to my knowledge the last time there was a serious attempt at a two-state solution was 23 years ago Big Linton it would barrack and I say a half out Try to translate that today clearly it can be Netanyahu and Hamba So it has to be a change in governance on both sides to make this happen with the support of this conference that you have been talking about Now my question is assuming fast-forwarding to let's say March next year Assuming that this conference takes place would intend to have a two-state solution blessed by this community We mentioned before What would that look like it can't be Gazapresti Jordania doesn't make sense. So what could be the water between two states under this? scheme Thank you very much. I just comment before we pick up one more There was going to the lady here and then to the gentleman in the third row and then sir will come to you But not not quite yet. We'll come to you in a moment So the lady I just want to point out that in the year 2000 during Camp David when a who had Barack and Yasser Arafat met In in the United States. I was working for CNN at the time And it was one of the most poignant moments of my life when we got Saib Erika on the phone walking out of the White House and I put the question to him Why are you walking away from this deal which seems so close to it to a taste two-state solution? And he told me The right of return of refugees. This is I mean there are multiple issues But this is something that also I'm sure would have to be addressed along with the future of Jerusalem and the West Bank. Yes, ma'am Thank you, sir I Enjoyed the remarks that it a marra been of each set which is let's talk now about the day after I Have followed lately the the comments of a a What he calls himself Next leader of the Palestinian Authority once mr. Abbas Passes away, which is I don't think would be very far. So he believes that there is no such thing as A two-state solution that not an Yahoo has killed it. So now we have to talk about The one-state solution That's what he says and he thinks that the beginning of this is to get mr. Natanya who out I think that mr.. Abinovich says exactly the same thing because they can have a new government With a new government it will probably be the people who are now Demonstrating against Natanya who will form this new government and who will be much more amenable to Speak about the solution of the Palestinian question. Okay, please ask your question because we only have five minutes left Please ask your question if you have a question Yes, if you have a question or if you have one one quick comment in there because we do want to allow Okay, okay, quickly this Lives here. He's called Muhammad Dahlan. He has excellent Connections with Israel with Egypt with with the ruler here And I think that he should be put at the table and discuss what could happen because he has supporters inside Raza Thank you very much. Yeah, he's been giving some interesting interviews that providing some insights So now to the gentleman who has his hand up if we could get the microphone there And then we're going to get some responses from the panel. Thank you very much hero Akita Nikkei from Tokyo Just two quick question about the long-term geopolitical landscape question one What is the prospect of Abraham a gold paradigm it may it seems to make sense to achieve You know Abraham a gold paradigm and seems to make sense before October 7 but now Abraham a gold paradigm will get suspended Unless two states solution will get realized what it can go parallel and second question is if Abraham a gold will be suspended Abraham a good trend will be suspended for maybe how in in the meantime, how will Gulf state coexist with Iran? Thank you. Thank you very much all all relevant points and questions We're going to just take these three first get a response and if we still have time, sir, we'll be we'll get to you so Anyone on the panel like to take any of those points that were made we've got a couple of things on the table Very very well, please join us Yeah, okay, so The key is to bring the Palestinian Authority back into the picture First if there is an interim arrangement in Gaza be It has to be temporary and the Palestinian Authority that was expelled from Gaza violently by Hamas Should return to Gaza and administer it They should invigorate the Palestinian Authority and make it again a viable partner for Israel to discuss the long range of State solution put it on the agenda again, this would enable other Arab states or the Arab states To join it. We don't have too much time. Remember, it's an election year in the United States and We don't have too many too many months to To wait until that that happens. So action should begin quite immediately Thank you very much Yes, sir, there was a question about what kind of two-state solution if you if I take you back not only to the Camp David negotiations between Israelis and And the Palestinians and ultimately the Clinton parameters But I even take you back to what you said earlier the Taba talks All of the details of every single item are dealt with there There was no formal approval of these items for different political reasons So my point really is it's not about That somebody have to come up with a new formula for the border it's 67 possibly with some minor exchanges or refugees that's in the The the Arab peace initiative which talks about the return of an agreement on return of refugees And so on and so forth Including East Jerusalem. It's about the lack of political will So what I was trying to say at the beginning is let's put the essence And as much detail as we can of what the package would look like to resolve this once and for all if it results In a change of leadership on one side or on both sides Ultimately, that's not my concern. My concern is the change moving towards peace between Arabs and Israelis particularly the Palestinians rather than moving towards a New cycle of violence. There is no permanent security if the conflict continues great Thank you Then we will take one more question from the gentleman here in the second row and That will be our last question for today, then we're out of time Bon il me semble que tout le monde est d'accord pour une démarche diplomatique qui about here et à mettre les parties sur une même table et négocier Mais n'oublions pas que il y a eu des gens plusieurs conférences plusieurs réunions pour nos cités que comme David Madrid Oslo qui n'ont pas about a solution de paix tel que réclamé par les palestiniens pour avoir leur droit c'est à dire un état palestinien avec Jérusalem est comme capitale et cela c'est processus à échouer à cause de de de la gouvernance du gouvernement israelien qui n'a pas suivi maintenant ma question à monsieur brahimovic est-ce que les la crise de gaza va faire prendre une prise de conscience en israël pour aboutir un pouvoir politique qui accepterait le droit palestinien merci I can answer that Yeah, I can answer that a public opinion polls in Israel show that 80% of the Israeli public lost their faith in the government and There is a debate whether you go through a change of government in the middle of the war We went you want to wait to the end of the Fighting this could happen either through a new election or through other Mechanism that the Israeli constitution Constitutional arrangements I'm sure that sooner or later there'll be a different government in Israel For fine other side Thank you. Thank you very much We I'm afraid we are out of time when I've been told not to go over and I also know that some people have to catch a plane So we're going to leave it here. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for being with us Thanks to our panel warm round of applause for a great discussion