 So everything we're all set. Good to go. Okay. Thank you. Good morning. This is a convening of the Massachusetts Gaming Commission. We are holding this meeting virtually. So I will take a phone call. Good morning, Chris or Brian. I'm unmuted. Good morning. I'm here. Okay. Good morning, Commissioner Hill. Good morning. I'm here. Great. Commissioner Skinner. Good morning. Good morning, Chair. Thank you, Commissioner Maynard. Good morning. Good morning. Okay. Today is February 7th and it's public meeting 162 of our agenda setting meetings. We're going to get started with our minutes. We have two sets. Commissioner Maynard. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I'm going to take these in turn seeing as I was not here for the January 10th meeting, but I did check with Council and it's okay for me to present them. Madam Chair, I move that we approve the minutes from the December 20th, 2023 agenda setting meeting that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for topographical errors or other non-material matters. Second. Thanks. Any edits, emissions, changes? Okay. Okay. Commissioner Over. Aye. Commissioner Hill. Aye. Commissioner Skinner. Aye. And Commissioner Maynard. Aye. Madam Chair, I move that we approve the minutes from the January 10th, 2024 agenda setting meeting that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for topographical errors or other non-material matters. Second. Okay. Any edits? Okay. Any questions? Commissioner O'Brien. Aye. Commissioner Hill. Aye. Commissioner Skinner. Aye. Commissioner Maynard. Aye. I abstain. Okay. And I vote yes for ayes in one abstention. Thank you. Okay. So we're going to turn, we have on the meeting schedule. We have a lot of general public meetings, but we do have some sort of one off meetings. One will start, but we are going to convene this afternoon, although actually this morning, 1130, Angela will be coming back on a matter that we didn't quite complete at our last public meeting. And then we'll go to executive sessions for our operators where they'll share captain's regarding proxy wagering and guarding against breaches of KDC. And KDC, KYC, my apologies, acronyms in my head. And then we have an adjudicatory hearing on the 14th. I put that in there just so that we are reminded. And then on the 16th, we do have the review of the licensing decisions. And Justin is coordinating that. Justin, do you want to say anything about that meeting? Um, it'll be in the notice that it'll be, it's essentially, it's going to be a review of the draft decisions of a number of the sports wagering licensees. So it's a method of officially getting through a large number of licensing decisions that are, that are drafted and draft form, just to have everyone available to, to comment and make any necessary edits and sort of go piece of the discussion. Yeah. It makes sense to have a set of sign meeting for that. And then the 21st and the 22nd, we have crystals, operators reports, networked out in the past, do two sessions for those. Any questions on the calendar? Any date that looks hard for any of you? Okay. All right. So we're going to start with February 15th. Todd, I know we have one item and, and we will be thinking about time. I need to have everyone give me your their estimates of timing because our last meeting was a little bit overloaded and hard to manage. So maybe one administrative item is good for that meeting. I think that would be fine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're speaking of the non-disclosure agreement discussion. I believe madam chair and they'll be happy to do that. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Can I just add madam chair. One other issue real quick. Before we go through everything, just a reminder, we need to be able to get all of our materials in for the packet by either tomorrow or Friday. If it's going to be on the agenda or. Another item to be delivered. We need to be able to do that. So there will be a lot of people when we think they will. So just put that front of mind for everyone as we go through the 15th. Thank you for that. Okay. Then we have our minute meetings. Is that an accurate for those accurate dates, commissioner mayor? Those are accurate dates and they've been approved as of this morning. Thanks. Legislative update, Commissioner Hill. With everything going on, Madam Chair, I would like to keep that on the agenda, please. Okay. And then the only thing Commissioner Hill as we approach the posting time, which is that Tuesday, if there's something in particular, I'd like to include that in the agenda. So we'll just stay in communication. Yep. Excellent. Thank you. Thanks. Regulations. Yeah, for, and I know 2.57, Gary, Nina needs some good amount of time for that, correct? Yeah, for the whole set, I would estimate maybe an hour and a half. I'll just note that the 2.38 and 2.27 may be a typo, but those last two aren't, they're not going to be reg red lines. What it's going to be is a discussion of line moving safeguards and identifying areas in the regs that already address the issue and pointing out ways that we might strengthen them. So not necessarily actual regs coming to you, but a discussion of the topic. Oh, okay. I don't think I've probably understood that fully. Carrie, so maybe you can just send me some language to explain that. We want to make it kind of like, okay. But the others, 2.56.04 does include some language, plus a good discussion, right? Yes, exactly. And then 2.57 as well. Okay, thanks. Number five, good morning, Director Bannon. Yes, I believe we're going to put this on hold to the next meeting, because we haven't gotten all the materials from Vanduul yet. Oh, okay. And that is Vanduul. Yes. Vanduul's request. And so should we roll it over to the 29th? Yes. At least that's the goal now. Okay. All right. Turning to, thank you, Bruce. Anything else for sports wagering? For you, Crystal? Not at this time, no. Okay. Then we have our quarterly reports. Michael? Yes, we should be all set with those. I have asked to get that documentation from our licensees by noon on Friday. So I will get that over to Trudy as soon as I get it. I will send the CapEx stuff under separate cover since that's under the NDA, then we'll be subject to the executive session. Yeah. Oh, and I'm guessing, you know, usually the presentations are about 20 minutes for each of the licensees, but of course with the CapEx discussion. So I think, I mean, each one will probably take at least a half hour. So I think an hour for the two of them would probably suffice. Thanks. Okay. Now turning to, I'm going to turn to Caitlin. I'm going to say Director Monahan. I think this might be, is she here? Hi. Hi. There you are, Caitlin. A lot of boxes. I needed you just to flash here and yell like, so I think this is the first time we're seeing Caitlin at least a while or better to congratulate her on her appointment as our new director of the IEB. We thank you, Caitlin, for your application. I've repeated that many times, but you can't say it enough. And congratulations from all of us. So if we were in person, we'd be applauded too though. Thank you. I am honored and excited. Great. And I like that you used the word excited. So for the possible adoption of an Inter-Service Agreement with the AGO, I have been working on that, but I think Todd will take the lead in his capacity as GEC on that. I'll obviously be there for the conversation, but that will be ready to go on the 15th. Okay, Todd, and I know that I need to coordinate that timing for noon to 1.30. I think that's what the AG's office asked for. I guess, Todd, how much time do you think we'll need for this discussion? And I know Derek will probably, there he is. Good morning, Derek. What do you think? I would say at least a half an hour. It could certainly be longer. There is some language in there that I think the commissioners will want to review, carefully will be prepared to do that, just to understand the scope of the agreement and what the plan is exactly. So I would certainly set aside a half an hour, maybe a little more. So can I ask also, is there a rollover from last executive session? Well, yes, I'm about to get to that. Okay. Okay. So, but we are going to have the ISA discussion and they're all set for that. The next item is the quarterly budget update. And Derek, I'm trying to remember if you prefer to go before the ISA discussion or after. So I would prefer to go on February 29th. I will not be ready with all my documents for this. And this is not a bad thing. It's just I'm pulled in a few different directions at this moment. So the numbers look good. If you look at everything on our website, we are underspending where we are currently with our time of the year. It's just I won't be able to get these documents in for Thursday or Friday. And, you know, there will be some shifting in the assessments for the gaming side, just because gaming positions have changed from January one. I'm from July, July one. So I want to be able to have two by twos with the commissioners and get all the documents to you ahead of time. But it's not a bad sign that I don't have this. It's just too much going on. And the ISA will just inform that in any case, right? So, all right. And that's part of that discussion is, you know, don't even really have solid numbers. They have a request, but what, you know, it's as needed. And we will have balance sitting there. Okay. But you'll be available to ask any questions about that on Thursday. Yes, I will. And I've already done analysis. I just won't have it ready for the package. That's okay. Todd, you'll have, you know, Derek there for the financial piece. Okay. So we'll pass on to 229 for number eight. Then we have what we did roll over Commissioner O'Brien, Commissioner Maynard. Mission statement, which should be all set. Yeah. I can't imagine that's going to be very long, but we were living it live. So I leave it to the three of you if you think it's going to be more than 10 or 15 minutes. Well, the length of the discussion does not indicate the unit of work, of the work. No. It's just more the status of the document and the vote. Yeah. So, okay. Thank you. Then we have, and again, I want to just state my apologies to our research and responsible gaming team. I felt very bad the other day when our meeting was long and incredibly disappointed with my management for our game sense advisors. So I think I mentioned this to Long and to you, Mark, and I hope that you've extended my apologies to the game sense advisors who waited all day to get in front of us in time, just ran out our meeting went long and I certainly didn't want to shortchange them. So we will do better this time around and I will be thinking about the order Mark and Long can get in touch with me about if there's any particular window that's good for the game sense advisors. Yeah. For you, Mark and our team, I feel bad and I want to accommodate you, but we really want to prioritize the game sense advisors, okay? Great. And I did communicate that on behalf of myself of the whole commission that we felt bad about that. So they were, and they were understanding. Yeah, they were phenomenal. They greeted us in the morning, right there present and I was so happy to see them. And then I just watched time tick by I figured their shift was actually ending. So it was time for them to at least consider going home. So thank you. So those three will be all set, I presume. Yes. I feel like I skipped something. I think it was casino security or a screening security update. Yes. Yeah, my apologies, that's supposed to be on there. But I, and then, so I'll circle to two executive sessions that we're planning and that's on the casino. I think I might have, I'm somehow accidentally deleted it. Casino security, and we should be all set for that. Caitlyn, we've got GE unit. And we anticipate that being entirely an executive session. That would be in addition to those associated with Joe's executive session. Joe will have to think about how we coordinate that and maybe that your executive sessions are in the middle of the meeting and we return to the public session in order to accommodate the properties. You and I can talk about their schedules. Okay. Yeah, I think in the past, we had two separate executive sessions for each of the licensees. And we, it was, it was, it was a bit of, it took a bit of tap dancing to get it on board. A little bit of dance, yeah. And then the next one, Commissioner O'Brien's reference to as I was able to confirm that the attorney general's office this morning that they will be all set at this point. They anticipate being all set to have that, the continuation of our discussion on the executive session on the illegal market and their work. And I know that they are coordinating or plan to coordinate with the legal department. Todd, if you haven't already heard, you will be hearing from them. Okay. Okay. Anything else for February 15th? I'm just running about time estimates, Madam Chair. And I see there's a couple more things on the list here. At least I'm seeing there's the player risk identification response and then the responsible gaming cashless gaming item. Is it on my list or is it, did I just, I'm wondering why it's been quite right. My apologies. I'm going to go into the, let me go back to the calendar because I've created and I'm wondering what the heck I created. My apologies. Because I, sometimes I feel like it's in my head. Cathy, this was the document that was attached to the meeting invitation that has that other information. I'm not sure. I don't have anything else in my invitation. Here, I can, it's not attached in the embedded in the invite. If you click on the calendar. Let me look on in the calendar now, I have notice of meeting. I don't see any other document. If you scan down on notice of me, the one that was in my calendar is pulling up the other items that are being referenced on the 15th. Yeah, just emailed it to you again, Cathy. Mine only has the 13. I don't know why. I've wanted to have the most recent version of the treaty. Okay, everybody, just one moment. Please, my apologies. This makes me feel better because I, I hope I hadn't dropped some, okay. Well, Cathy, I think you just said yours, your version only has the 13 items. That's all that's on here. So I'm wondering if your discussion with Mark included all three items with the prioritization for gain sense. That was my understanding. That's how I understood that dialogue. Well, good morning, everyone. I'm having a hard time keeping up here. Trudy, I think you're sending me the ones for the later part of today. And Cathy, I just emailed you a copy of the agenda as well. If you got any note from me. Thanks, everyone. It's just taking a little bit of time to get to me. It must be this thing, the internet thing that we have. Refresh. I haven't got your, okay. Todd, thank you. Yeah, so we only have the 13 items. And I guess I'm wondering about the attachment that Commissioner O'Brien was alluding to. It's not an attachment. It was just the, we didn't get the time estimates on some of what we talked about, like the RG topics. And then Todd had mentioned the cash is wagering, which we hadn't gone through in terms of time estimates yet. But otherwise I want to make sure, is there any other item, we can go back to timing. Is there any other item, other than the two executive sessions that I just mentioned for February 15th? The captain can address this, but we do have some non-compliance events that if you're ready to go, I recognize this agenda maybe a little bit long so those can easily roll to the 29, we just wanted to raise that. And what were the items Caitlin, I'm sorry? Non-compliance related items. So three new non-compliance related items. The only thing with non-compliance is that they want to be timely on those commissioners. We probably should have, we should probably hear about the non-compliance with every agreement in terms of the priorities of hearing things, where there's times, we want to hear everything, where it's time sensitive amount of priorities we need to prioritize those. Non-compliance, I feel like rises to that. I'm also wondering if we should do like a 930 start on this meeting, because I know we have a sort of the AG's office we've got in the middle kind of at a hold zone. So it might be that we need to start a little earlier to get it sold out. The people that are available, I appreciate that. 930? Okay. And then, and I may swing around and just think about our timing as I time it out. So. Well, Madam Chair, again, not to diminish the importance of it, but the mission statement, short though it is, if you need to claw back time is something- That's right, that's right, no problem. And then also, if we didn't do the non-disclosure agreement it might be okay. You know, let me just take a look, Todd and see where we are. Yeah, I was just going to say, that's exactly right. Although ironically the ADA will come up as part of the CAPEX discussion, but you know, but I agree. We'll talk, we'll talk about it. All right. May I just check in on one other thing, apologies. So the group one sports vision protocol could also be ready to go on the 15th, but understand if that would, that could easily roll to the 29th as well. Yeah, I had, that was on my list to Caitlyn. It might be okay to roll that over and then maybe have the draft of the one and two, right? At the next time, combine them maybe. And Paul said to catch what you said there. Have them, have the CAP3 ready for sort of approval. Oh, the group one, the group one and two. Does that make sense? I'll just repeat it back. So I'm sure we're on the same page. We would have the policy for the group one sports waging issues, so sort of the more minor sports waging issues. Thank you, I was just holding on the 29th. Okay, and I am going to thank everybody who's pardoned that I keep on switching the one, two and three. We can call it something else. However, I also think it might be really helpful for us to change the language all together because of category that we come up with a whole new nomenclature for that. I don't mind the one, two and three, that's in my head, but the category throws me as well. So let's think about that, Kay. And I think we've mentioned it in a couple, maybe at least one commissioner or a staff member has mentioned it to me too. So thanks. But maybe we'll put that on the 29th then. All right. Anything else? How many non-compliance Kathleen and Caitlin? I like Kathleen's. For the next meeting for the 15th, we could do it's three. One of them has like a two part where it was two separate events but involving the same type of non-compliance. So I think we could be ready on three in total and just one of them kind of having a two part. Okay. Thanks, Kathleen and Caitlin. All right. Is that it for February 15th? We didn't scare anybody away. Okay, then let's go into February 20th. And Todd will decide about the NDA. Do you have something else for that, for the administrative update? Nothing at the moment. Okay. And then meeting minutes. Do you have dates yet or no? I don't have dates but I would keep it. We have a few more sets coming. Okay, excellent. And then legislative date right now, we'll just keep that on. Commissioner Hill? Why don't we take it off for that one, please? Okay. And then regulations. Carrie, good morning. Good morning again. Yes, we do anticipate having one regulation on the 29th. That would be 238.12 amendments regarding the letter of credit. All right. So what's we're doing? We're going to roll over the other ones for the 29th, number five. But do you think anything else that you can anticipate, Bruce? Bruce, you're muted. Bruce. Hi, Bruce, you're just muted. So we'll have to repeat everything. I mean, Bruce, we really can't hear you. You need to hear me. There we go. I was going to say we might also have an additional house rule update from one of the other ones, but I don't have it at this time. All right. Bruce, we're essentially from Caesars, chairs. It's a house rules update from Caesars for the 29th. Okay, and you will be set for that, Andrew. Yes. Okay, excellent. Great. Thank you. Anything for you, Crystal? You're all set. You don't have to undo with me. Okay, thank you. And then we have the MGM Springfield quarterly report. Yep, that should be all set. All right. And then my request, and I appreciate it, Derek, is something you and I've been talking about is the procurement overview. So all of us are on board with that. You'll be all set with that and the budget. That training is already drafted. John's already pulled that together. So that'll just be an update, and then the budget will be ready by then, the quarterly update. Quarterly update, number eight, oh, two, 15. Then we've got some executive session minutes that, I think falls on your plate, Mr. Hill. Yes, and we've just went through them yesterday and this morning, they'll be all set. How many do we have? Lots and lots. Two sets. Okay, good. So we won't be too long on executive session. No. And those actually, Todd, are those in executive session? Yes, we'd want to improve those in executive session. Okay. Anything else? Madam Chair. Oh, sorry, Alex. Alex has her hand raised. Good morning, Dr. Lightdown. Good morning. I was wondering if we could get a request for consideration for capital improvement funds and a request for consideration for promo funds for Plain Ridge on the 29th meeting. That time. Okay. Thank you. And you're also, otherwise? Yep, that's up for the 29th. I'll have more later. Request and consideration, right? And you'll send me that language, thanks so much. Okay, and now, Mark. Thank you. We have the follow-up general population survey report. That is set and ready to go now. I would like to get that, add that to the agenda if there's time. My only hesitation is that I do think that this will take some time to kind of get through. It's a significant piece of work that the team has built. And so, if we have time on the 29th, I prefer to put it there. Is this Rachel? Yes. And just as a reminder, the follow-up general population survey was fielded in 2021 and 2022. And it's a follow-up from the baseline general population report that was fielded before the first casinos opened in 2013 and 2014. And so, it really takes a look at how gambling behaviors changed, how then specifically focusing on attitudes, risky gambling behavior and problem gambling behavior. Bonnie and Mark, I'm wondering if maybe we do, we try to find a set-of-side time for this presentation. Commissioner, what do you think? If we can somehow manage it in our schedule so that we can focus just on that and not feel sandwiched between our regular public meeting. Madam Chair. Yes, Commissioner Hill. I think that's a very good idea. Okay. Anybody disagreeing with that? Okay, we'll look for time on that. Thank you, I agree with that too. Thanks. And we'll try to find, we'll work with Rachel and her team on that. Yeah, we probably won't have only a few dates, so. Okay. All right, so. Does this include my earlier request to assess to the impact of sports wagering on illegal market? Is that in a different research project? Bonnie, if I recall, this does include sort of an assessment. I mean, it does assess sports wagering behavior. And so, and since this was fielded before, there was a legal market in Massachusetts that in essence talks about the illegal market. I think that's how we were looking at it. We did talk to Rachel and her team about whether this captures the illegal market. And she said that there is a way that they're addressing it. So yes, it is within this report. Right, maybe you won't actually get to, maybe too soon anyway, but if there's any way that she's discerning how the regulated market has impacted the illegal market, that was my request. I'm hearing you say that they may describe that the illegal market existed, but just a question. Okay. It sounds like the report's done. It is done, yes. Yeah, okay. Thanks, I'll be interested in hearing that. All right, anything else for February 29th, Leap Year? Madam Chair, we, licensing would request to, for the commission to consider the request for temporary renewal for the category three operators anticipating that's probably a fairly short item, but, you know, and not in any rush, but we want to make sure that that gets done. So Karen, can you just explain a little bit what we would be doing during that? Sure, so the, all of the anticipated operators that need to renew their temporary, they have filed their requests for renewals. The commission needs to essentially vote to renew those licenses. Okay, so that is our vote. Okay, thank you. Anything else for the 29th? Chair, we would have, I think, two non-compliance matters to bring to the commission that day. Sports week during that, obviously. Okay, then we'll do the cat one, whatever we call it, and then a cat two and three policy. Caitlin, on the 29th, okay. That's good. Thank you. All right, and I will note, if the 29th starts becoming a longer meeting, the item that Karen just talked about, the temp license approval could be moved onto a solo meeting or it could be moved out. It's not time sensitive. Sounds like that that's an important piece of business to get done. Sure, yeah, just, there's just flexibility. Yeah, I appreciate that, though. I think, let's just say we've seen more on our agenda than that one, but it's looking with, especially with the general population taking out that survey that should work out 29th. Okay, then we have the, we go right to March 14th. And then straight up update. I don't have anything specific for that. Okay, and then we'll have our minutes and you'll get the dates, Commissioner Maynard. Right. Legislative update, Brad, we took it off the other one. Do you want me to take it off for now or keep it on? That one I would put back on, because we should get some news at that time about what's going on with the budget. Good, it's so good that you have that calendar in your head. And then regulations, Carrie and Todd? Yes, we will have 221, the license fee regulation coming back for final approval on the 14th. Okay, final approval. Anything else that you know right now? That's all I have to write now. There may be additions based on how the next, the meeting before that go if there are any requested amendments. Thank you. All right, and then sports wagering. We'll probably have something, but we don't have it right at this time. We'll keep it on. Anything else that you're anticipating, team? Up there, you are, Mark. Kind of where or if you would want this on an agenda, but the GRIT Act, the federal funding through the excise tax, the federal level for treatment and research is there's a lot of talk about it, whether it goes anywhere, I don't know, but the commission may benefit from just an update on what it is and what it would affect. Are you working with legal on that? I mean, federal legislation, right? It is federal legislation, so. It would be helpful to have on that also be coordinated with legal if they're gonna report on it. Okay. A lot of discussion. Who knows if there's much legs on it? Okay. I'm happy to put that on, Mark, now. Okay, and then Dr. Lightman. Speaking with Judy, she thinks that she'll be ready to bring forward the escrowing of the resource development fund to a meeting in March. So that's under review right now, number six. And taking number six and putting it up. That sounds like the plan. I'd like to remove that from that list. Okay. Thanks, Alex. Anything else? Thank you to Judy. All right, anything else? Madam chair, just go back to your question about the illegal market. Bonnie just forwarded me. Thank you, Bonnie. It shows up in an online panel survey where we do ask people about placing a bet within the legal land-based market and sports book within Massachusetts or the illegal or underground market. So we do have that. It's not in the general population survey it's in the online panel that we're doing. So it won't be addressed in the sun? Yeah, no, I don't think it'll be addressed. I mean, we measure participation of sports gambling within the general population survey, but I don't believe it's so clearly delineated as in this online panel. Thanks, Bonnie. So that will be a separate report coming out. Okay. And then at some point, I think the commission should be interested in thinking of some of our other researchers in terms of if there's any way to figure out the actual economic impact like real revenue dollars. Not just participation, but what drives the illegal market is, of course, money. So can the legal market begin up on the disruptor from a market point of view? So. We are just, Bonnie and I had our first meeting and pulled together a FY25 research agenda yesterday and I think that's a very good question and we're investigating if the commission would like us to add that, we certainly can. Yeah, I think our common sense dictates one thing and it probably is a disruptor, but it would be really good, a good research project. So, okay, thanks. Anything else, and thanks Bonnie for that. Anything else? Okay, commissioners, anything that you want to add? All right, we're going under review. Yeah, I left process. Yeah, that's still under review. Okay, compliance committee under review. Commissioner, do I agree? Yeah. Yep. And the HDA compliance. Yeah, that works still ongoing. Okay. And then we've got our back restriction. Still under review. Okay. Well, we've taken one thing off. Again, congratulations to Caitlin, our executive director screening committee. How's that proceeding, Commissioner O'Brien? It is proceeding. We've had some scheduling challenges. I think we meet again the 14th of February. So hopefully by the 15th, there's some updating that can be done. The 16th? We have a meeting the next, so we're meeting on the 14th. That's our next scheduled meeting. And then we have a public meeting the next day on the 15th. That's the one that's... Oh, we said 15th. Okay. 16th, okay. Yes. Happy Valentine's Day, having those interviews on the 14th of your meeting. So there you go. All right, that'll be good. So we'll have that. I'll put that on for an update on the 15th. Thank you. Then we've moved on to number six to the 29th, right? Or is it the March 14th? Okay. Happy Valentine's Day. It is always so nice to see you. And I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your organization. There we go. Okay, EVH? Yeah, still under review on that. We are starting the section 61 process on that since the MEPA process has ended. In fact, we have a meeting on Friday to kind of kick that thing off with us and A&K. And that, you know, once that is, once those are drafted, then that will have to come back to the commission. And there's a few decisions the commission needs to make on that with respect to public input and so on. And, you know, so we'll be coming to the commission at some point relatively soon to talk about some of those things. Great. Okay. We had a few regs that Commissioner O'Brien and I were interested in following up on a potential new regs or amending. I'd like to bring those forward if that's additional work for you, Carrie and Justin and Todd. So we need to think about your timing and your calendar, but one, Commissioner O'Brien, we want to go over the number eight. So this one had to do with Ohio proposing a regulation about not offering any kind of unrelated rewards or products. It was most particularly my memory is to fanatics, but it was a discussion of what their reg exactly was and what it was proposing. That was my ask on this. I don't know what other reg we're thinking of as well, Madam Chair. It sounds like there's more than one. So this one was a little bit in terms of, perhaps it's a discussion whether we have, we want to even pursue it, right? Does that make sense? Yes, yes. So maybe we should. Getting the background first, I think. Yeah, Carrie, I don't know. You and I could probably have another gender-studying meeting anyway, but maybe we can incorporate this into a meeting where it's discussion as to the policy and then see if the commission has a follow-on wants to move on that. Sure. Yeah. Does that make sense? Okay. I think you're nodding your head. So we're good on that. Okay, so we'll just figure out which day for discussion to begin with, not have everybody working on reg language. Okay, but we'll have Ohio's language to work from. So the one I'm interested in and commissioners, you may recall this, the multi-factorial that I kept on getting caught on that language, authentication. We recall during, I believe it really was as we were evaluating and assessing each application, we wanted that multi-factorial authentication. It was left as a matter of discretion because I think some consumers really don't want to deal with that. I believe in Ohio as an example, again, they sort of decided to override consumers' frustration with multiple authentications and require it. And given, we are gonna have some information today on KYC barriers that may be breached or not. And I'm not so sure it's really so much on the, I guess it would be also on the proxy wagering issue as well. Whether we might want to impose a mandate rather than leaving it discretionary. I'm not sure really where I stand. So I'm interested in everybody's discussion on this. And perhaps even, so it would be a discussion first to see if we want to impose a sports wagering should maybe think about that as well. Bruce, I don't know if you're thinking about it already. I see you've turned off your mic. Yes. Something to explore. Now you've done- You just muted yourself. You just muted yourself, Bruce. There I go. Yeah, it is something I think would be worthwhile discussing and I think that can stop a lot of fraud. Yeah. And maybe that might even, who knows if that ends up coming up in our discussion today. But it's again, let's tee it up for a discussion and then see if we want to move to a similar mandate. And then on 10, we did, and I think Bruce, you joined me. This was on the voiding reg and it came up during the draftings. We pressed on the void. And I think a lot of my analysis and ultimately my decision was based on how I read the regulation. And I felt like the regulation dictated my ultimate decision. And I thought, maybe we should revisit. I think Bruce, you joined saying that might be a reg we need to revisit. Yes. Because we have different views, I think, on that reg. Right. And we had talked to, I think I mentioned this, Commissioner Maynard went over the minutes and reminded me what I had said at the time. And I do think it's probably worth the five of us going back now that we've had an example. And looking at what that says and what did we intend. And what it means. And then if the intent, if I was reading it one way that you weren't, once we had. We have another conversation. Maybe we need to have another conversation or a clarifier. Yeah. Okay. All right. I think that that should probably come sooner than later, Cary. If we could pull that one up. Or, I don't know if we could even get to February 29th or otherwise March 14th. Or if we have this as a separate, the three, so to separate. But I suspect getting clarity on those three regs is important. Or, I mean, on that reg, clarity on that reg and then the other two is an important discussion. Where we end up on a policy, it's anyone's guess. Okay. And then the finalizing, I think we've got that now, okay, for number 11 or February 29th. Yep, I have that for the 29th. Okay. And that's Michelle Bryan, that seal of approval. How can we move that forward to help? Because that's a great idea. Yeah. So I think, and Justin, I think is the one that communicated with me. I know it's not subjectively on today, but legal might be able to give a brief interpretation of our regs as to whether we even need a reg change or whether this is really a question of going forward with a more particularized requirement. Yeah. Commissioner Bryan, I'm happy to work with you to put together a memo and sort of set it up for the five of you to discuss whenever you want to put on for meeting. And then as we discussed, yes, I do believe it doesn't need a separate reg. It would be more of a, probably an explanatory sort of memorandum to the industry about how we're interpreting our current regs and we'll now be requiring the use of whatever seal we ultimately decide on, but we can tee that up for discussion certainly whenever you feel appropriate. I don't think it'll be a huge lift to put a memo together on something like that. I'm happy to use it. Thanks, Justin. Thanks, I mean, so, and I wonder if this is appropriate commissioners at this juncture, if we can kind of have a green light today, Suza to work with, I think our vendor could help on that design. I think we're revolved in agreement on this publicly and I see Tom is not in his head. So that could come together nicely and there's a great project and days will be a great partner on that. Right, Tom? He absolutely. Okay, and everything's good with that? I like that idea, yeah. Okay, all right. I see no objections. And then the DPH report on their equity program, I put that out to our partners at DPH and I think it's just a matter of their scheduling now. So we'll keep it under review. Our sports majoring quarterly reports. Crystal will keep it under review, but we're scheduled for this quarter. But that will just be a reminder going forward or do you want it for right now? I think it's good as a reminder, but yes, we are scheduled for this coming quarter. And I'll get you the confirmed operators as soon as I can. Okay, excellent. And then the general population survey, we're gonna try to get a separate date so that can come up. And then the evaluation of the game sense program we're long off. It's still under review. We have certain pieces of it that are done in wrapping up the final two of the four components are still under review. Okay. All right, anything else for under review commissioners? There is something I want to explore. I don't know if it's proper for under review or just to let the team know that I'm interested. Last week, the president of the NCAA sent a letter to the Ohio Casino Control Commission about prop bets on college athletes. Obviously 23N takes care of some of that for the Commonwealth. That said, Mills and I went through and looked and there are some prop bets still offered in the Commonwealth that deal with team prop bets. I just, I'm trying to get a little more information on what exactly is Ohio doing? What is the proposal from the NCAA? And, you know, is it something that we should perhaps look at even on the team aspect that we have approved already, right? And I don't know if that would require a reg change or if anyone even has the stomach to do it. It's just a matter of I would like more information on that and I figured the entire commission would like that same information. Sounds good. We'll take a look at that. Good, yeah. Because you're saying team bets on Massachusetts teams or? For example, a prop that Massachusetts, it's interpreted to allow right now is the first to 25, right? The team that gets the first to 25. My question is, is that something we want to look at? Do we want to look at the prop bets that are offered on college and are allowed and perhaps make alterations based on what Ohio is doing too? Just a question. If they're not necessarily limited to Massachusetts teams. Exactly. They are allowing it for teams outside of the state. OK, good. I just want to make sure. All right, thank you. Yeah, if you didn't see that, I know I forwarded that to somebody knows we can make sure everybody saw that announcement. And I can say that Massachusetts should be really proud about that prohibition because I've even seen some maybe you all seen the same articles where there's some industry advocates who are saying, hey, industry, we might actually want to consider banning prop bets on student athletes. So, you know, Massachusetts Legislature was a leader in this and and we're fortunate that. You know, we're not looking for legislative change on this. Really good. Thanks for bringing that up, commissioner. All right, anything else? All right. So we have a doctor like them. Yes, sorry for under review. Could we put the racing official approval for Plain Ridge? Probably aim for the March 27th meeting just because their first day of race is April 15th. So to get it done in time for that. I was just going to ask one's first day for racing. So that's on our calendars, calendars, everyone, April 15th. And then racing official. Approval. You want that at the last day. March, March 27th. Yeah. You know, to Natasha, Dean and I have already been meeting about hiring everybody for the seasonal positions and they posted them yesterday. And I already got text from some people that applied. So the staff is eager to come back. Excellent. You do you have a number of that of those I know. You can give us a report. And right before the launch, you know, who you have on behalf of the numbers and everything so that we can acknowledge them. And that will be an exciting announcement. So sounds good. Report will be under review. Okay. Anything else for under review? All right. All right. I'm going to look for a motion to adjourn, but just one note. We are we are coming back in a separate public meeting at 1130. We anticipate in the hope to start on our with our executive sessions at noon because the operators have each a half an hour to present to us and answer our questions. So I'm really trying to keep everything on time. So we have a half an hour. Everybody can have a really, really, really solid. Early lunch or, you know, snacks, whatever that will get us through then. The five. Anticipated. Presentations. Does that work for everyone? I'll keep going, but, you know, I might go off camera to get a snack somewhere in there. I didn't understand. But thanks for the heads up so we can try to stay off getting angry. He can eat. No one's going to be all offended by that. But it is an effort to keep their schedules. Very appreciative of them coming to us. And also to be mindful of our schedules as well. Okay. So I need a motion to adjourn. Thank you everyone for this session and look forward to the 1130 start. We'll move to adjourn. Second. Hi. Hi. Mr. Skinner. Hi. Mr. Mainer. Hi. And I vote yes. Five zero. Thanks everyone.