 But in the end, it comes down to who's using them. Is it the ego using them to reinforce guilt or something? Or is it the Holy Spirit? Because this is the thing that came up with Gary Bernard's book. He said he had two Ascended Masters, commonness and his big debate within the course community of whether it actually happened or not, whether he was making it all up. There was a woman years ago named Marla Morgan who wrote a book called Mutant Message Down Under seemingly with her being invited to Australia. She thought to accept an award and she went down there and she was at her hotel and this man came, picked her up and takes her out to the bush among the Aborigines and they basically say take off all your clothes, give us all your jewelry, your watch, purse, shoes, everything. She's pretty surprised, she gives it to him and the last scene she sees is this woman with a stack of all of her clothes and jewelry and wallet purse and everything smiling and throwing it into the fire. And then she's led on a walkabout with these telepathic Aborigines. Well, Marla Morgan came back and she started going around to Unity Churches because she belonged to Unity Church but in telling her story which became a book, Mutant Message Down Under and then a huge controversy arose. Did she make the whole thing up or did that actually happen? It was an amazing teaching device like Gary Bernard, Gary has always said no, they actually did come and I've done whole talks with him we're just showing that it's all fiction basically so we can't draw a line between the fact and fiction we just have to look at does it open your heart up? Does it bring you peace? It's beating around the bush when you try to do that with politicians, that goes on and on did they do this, did they not do this? People are always trying to slam the politicians or bring them down, it's a win and lose kind of thing and then there was another friend of mine he was the one who had the music for the Hula Hoopers Jimmy Twyman, he had this book the silent brotherhood Celestine the silent brotherhood but there was a name of his book Emissary of Light So this book Emissary of Light came over where he allegedly went over to around Kosovo area in Europe and met this group of men that were in silence called the silent brotherhood who were praying for all mankind and very mystical encounter and everything came back, wrote his book he went around, the same thing happened with Jimmy did it actually happen or did he make this whole thing up? So I used those three kind of striking examples to say that it's of course on the level of the surface you want to be truthful but even that, like in the court of law you promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth everything in perception is a projection so we could say that there seems to be a relative truth like something that seemed to happen or didn't seem to happen but then when you go much deeper you start to realize that cracked perception or distorted perception is the problem that everything seen through the body's eyes through the egoic filter in the mind is distorted and that's why Jesus has the whole course in mind training to take us back to what he calls true perception or the real world just purified perception seeing the world with the Holy Spirit with Jesus instead of through the egoic filter so, you know, those are the kind of things that are the big snags when people start to get when two people get into an argument it's usually, you know, there's a pretty gross difference in the perception of what happened and so one person will see it through their filter and say, no, this is actually it, quit lying this is actually what happened and another person may say, no, that's not it this is what happened actually or 12 eyewitnesses to an automobile accident and then you get 12 different accounts of what actually happened because that's how variable perception works so it takes a lot of mind training but that's what all the great philosophers and spiritual seekers throughout the ages have always tried to do the course is like from an awakened mind so it just gives you like a head start boost instead of kind of wading through the mud and the muck, you've got this huge boost of having Jesus Christ give you a very direct pathway to forgiveness or ill perception I'm with you and AC came through the Mormon tradition I was watching again on my I don't know if it's one of my clips I'm going to show but I might be, they were interviewing Joel Osteen and it was back when Mitt Romney was running for president which brought Mormonism into the public spotlight and so here the interviewer is like saying so so do you do you believe Mitt Romney kind of like when he's talking about his faith do you actually believe him as Mormonism Christian and so that was it was it and there's Joel who's got the largest church in the United States in terms of one space one building but he was like he's like yeah we've you know he talked about Jesus he tried to bring it back to it's the same Jesus but then the questioner came in with but Joseph Smith do you know said so he started to bring in specific Joseph Smith things about this is the only church and you should you shall not go to any other church you know and so because Joel tends to take more of you know Joel's whole story you know anything about him I know just a little bit he was a behind the scenes cameraman filming his father and he had a very successful church and his father died and so the whole congregation looked to him to be the very shy of the camera work behind the camera very very shy and so he over a period of time I guess he agreed to do it but what Joel always did was he goes out and reads and brings pieces of stories or a story into a sermon so he always pre-wrote the sermons and he would get up there basically from memory because of his shyness and nervousness and do it well then they bet who was the Houston basketball team Houston Rockets the Rockets I think that they bought their old Coliseum and you see 70,000 people and so it's a hell of a story but he'll never do good on an interview because see he just preaches from his writings and memorizes them and actually keeps them in front of him and just he's a great orator he's a great speaker but he'll never do good he doesn't really have any strict beliefs because he was just kind of forced into a you know somewhat forced into a position of doing that which has been very successful I think a lot of his money comes from his books and you know it's a stepping stone spiritual allies it's a very stepping stone if you hang around that's kind of all in there including Victoria his wife and then it's a family the brothers and sisters they're older too it's a great family and it's a very basic you know stepping stone spirituality if you're just coming into it it's a great message to hear but you know I don't know how long you can sit and listen to it and not want to go past it but you know that's America they just want to hear what they want to hear he tries to stay very positive and the thing about it was even in this panel discussion he would kind of come back and he said I'm just I just really want to lift people up I just want to lift people up you know you could see that that was coming out of his heart as they started getting into the issues and he's like well I don't talk about these issues in my sermons very seldom we'll even quote a verse very seldom it's more of a he's more of a Zieg Ziegler than anything if anybody ever heard of it but I think that's what's there I love the Zieg Ziegler and it's good to watch these just for discernment because you know we are to have the inspiration of the Lord and the Spirit pour through us and we're not ultimately trying to persuade others or win souls we learn from the Course it's all just part of our own healing and conversion but it's also good for discernment because you know it's like if you find yourself locked in or attracted to certain ways and reacting against certain things those all things those have to come up for healing because if you're attracted or repulsed so it's good to I always think we always liked having a nice broad swath and we haven't really had anything here where we had Joel and Benny Hinn and Deepak just sat there the whole time he didn't open his mouth one he was like he was like right he was just praying like probably for his publics Deepak so you're going to want to be sitting right there I think I feel like I've come the other way where I've had a bit of resistance towards any Christian kind of teachings and even the feeling that someone could have actually had a deep experience I just watched those thoughts in my mind but I was listening to Kim Walker last night and heard such a deep experience and I loved listening to her I was just mesmerised because you could really feel where it was coming from she always comes from the heart and also she kind of always says it's beyond the words in a book it's about the experience she's a big singer Jesus culture amazingly powerful voice but also she's had these vision kind of experiences with Jesus but you can really just feel the heart behind it all she was just on this thing I got a number of months ago I just got told of this thing that was happening this summer it couldn't have happened in August but then it happened actually in July earlier this month or last month but it was called Awakening Europe because I've used the phrase Awakening Mind Europe for so many things I've built a website, I had an online group and I've been over to Europe many, many times doing Awakening Mind Europe and now that I said, what's this? Awakening Europe, the only thing I was missing was the mind in the middle to go to Germany and fill a stadium with Christians of this this giant stadium that Hitler built so they're just going to repurpose the stadium Hitler built it and now they're going to fill it up with a bunch of believers and have a big, you know like a revival and so they got Kim Walker to come up and it was live streamed and so there was a couple of days and I was like, okay, what do we got? and they were doing testimonies and Kim Walker's singing and they were doing the wave the Christians were going around they were just having a playful time in this stadium that Hitler built to make a joyful noise for the Lord like the Bible but it was really good because how it happened how they were inspired to do it a lot of huge enthusiasm and then the healings couldn't walk, they could walk and so on and so forth it tends to happen there's a strong synergy of all that energy and everybody's just into the glory and praising so they would go for the past days even after it they were showing testimonies of people talking about their healings when they came there but it was awakening Europe that's the way they see it there's still certain people that places need to be awakened but it was that love energy vibe that forgetting of yourself that's just that kind of involuntary nature and I was just reading something during the week where it was saying that it was a riches ceremony but it was part of it that they actually have a natural party first doesn't seem very spiritual or even ceremonious but it's to just raise the vibration but really just to allow the relaxation like just I don't know, I guess it's love I always feel new, it's just that yeah, very open welcoming it's good I did my lesson today and read from the text and did my little commentary but then afterwards I was guided to ACIM Inspirations, our friend Gary Aslow who uses all words from the course was that James yeah with all these images and everything so I watched the one today Obstacles to Peace which is good because it's very graphic and so forth but it's got all these beautiful those four obstacles are amazing in the depth so yeah I think it's good we're just kind of on the cusp of the great awakening, riding the big wave and we did go to see Mission Impossible which I said it's probably not for general consumption it needs a lot of discernment but a lot of commentary but that'll be something we'll work our way around to this because it has a lot of deep teachings about getting past the idea of planning and just getting to the flow which the main character has to be because everything just turns and changes like that now you see me in a movie where everything you think he's got it? No it's nothing like you think, think of this? No it's nothing, that's what Mission Impossible was all the way through and then this female character he's kind of paired up with like Bond occasionally but these two were really kind of it was a very interesting relationship of equals and both fantastic skills and this and this but there were subtle deceptions and things going on underneath as with all interpersonal relationships there's things under the surface that have to be brought up and then at the end though, near the end she actually got to a point where she said remember that part where she said his three options and she gave the first option and Nathan it was a hunt he paid attention to the first one yeah it was like two options we were like okay we can do it this way we can catch this guy this way we can do it this way and then she goes on the third option you can walk away with me now which I just walk away from it all and it was like well that's the holy instant it was like right in the middle of Mission Impossible come with me just came out a couple days ago so that was like so there's all kinds of things all around us even some of the newer movies but that was a nice moment we were all like ooh come with me and walk away it's like the mind is so it's kind of like such a strong reflection of where the mind's at it's like there's mind training and it's like we can't unwind your mind unwind unwind like layers even in the movies there's a layer there's another one and then there's this moment where the mind gets upon that place where it can actually hear you can walk away now or like you can really walk away like nothing ever gets solved it's like you know it's just kind of like spirit has to bring you to that place it's like whether or not you even choose it you know it's not even the point but it's like at least there's that awareness it's like yes you can walk away now you can stop it it's like because otherwise it's like what is it for you know like I do it and I do it it's like or yeah you can walk away it's like matrix it's like okay there's this this or you know you walk into eternity or you can save trinity and it's like you know you can walk away from all of it now all drama all conflict and it's deep and it's like it's like holy instant it's kind of like quantum moment and I was like yeah quantum moment it's like quantum it's almost like there's this mystery with quantum almost like it feels so big and it's like quantum you know it's like it's just a holy instant it's just an imitation into a holy instant and it's just like oh and you don't know when that happens either it just comes in when the mind's ready it's like yeah you can walk away like or like or other words I keep or stay with me now like forever like you can just stay with me and it's so cool and we came back and I was like and I was like what from the movie and I was like what just happened and I was like and then it just hit me I'm like because I was sharing with Suzanne and she was like how was the movie and I was like deep so deep it's just so so deep just beyond and and I'm like so she was asking what was it about I said something so she said will you recommend it and I was like and I'm like and it just hits me I'm like wait the whole outing was like a holy instant that I'm like wait wait and I'm like the movie was part of it so I can say like I'll recommend specifically the movie was like the experience like the movie was part of it and everything was part of it it was like and and the message of the movie like like walk away with me now stay with me and I'm like what was the experience like that was the experience it was a holy instant and again you don't know how it happens and just like you it's like you go you just go go go follow show up it's like there's a movie and I was like going I think you know I'm going yeah like this it's this way in the morning I even hesitated just before just before we're leaving but then I made an agreement with David if you go I'll go so that was kind of like brought to my attention and then yeah and then boom it happens it's like and it's you know it takes away this mystery from the quantum like in Ant-Man it's like of all the things it's no mystery at all actually I mean but it's just amazing so I mean I'll recommend the whole thing the whole experience of the movie the whole thing I mean it's not a part that it's like highly recommended it's like it's like those who are going to be cold I mean like made all of it be used in such a way all of it like all of it like it gave a sense to it but the higher orchestration of things because you know even with all the we do and living miracles and the different things it's still if you try to conceptualize it on the timeline and make something out of it a meaning it's still far short of what it is but what I liked about this movie was from the very beginning in the movie it became apparent that Tom Cruise you know Ethan Hunt and his team they were being disbanded so everything disbanded disbanded and so they were scattered all over the the planet and the team was scattered and then I guess we're called IMF it was completely dismantled at the congressional level CIA had dismantled and then there's something going on that needs to seemingly needs to be solved and one by one they're kind of drawn back in except not in any cohesive kind of way you know they're just out of the love they're all operating on their own but not cohesively at all so it's not like a team movie you know where the team all the football team all comes together and overcomes their obstacles no this was like they were disbanded from the beginning there was one moment in the movie where it's a chasing and two of them are in one car and they're chasing being chased and there's motorcycles involved and other vehicles and they come to this corner like street corner in Morocco and I guess it's near Casablanca or something and they come to the street corner and the two cars come together from different angles so they can't see each other because of the building and then they just look at each other and it's just like one of those inception moments like what are you doing here now they just had just the precious looks on all their faces like they've been brought together by spirits and in that moment they're just like and then they go right back into the chase scene but it's just one of those precious moments like inception when they're on the plane and they're coming back and they all have that look of recognition like thank you for everything it was just moments like that was just one moment there's a few moments like adorable moments like I'm just like what are you doing what is this like the woman that comes and helps save him tortured the beginning of the movie and she's there in the room but he doesn't see any way out and then she's kind of got this presence and it's like you can see the making eye contact and she's going to actually help him but as soon as these bodies go flying and he starts to escape he just looks through and he goes who are you it just has no box in his mind it's just a moment of the spirit who are you Tom Cruise is like looking right at her eye who are you and then it would come around a number of times too one time when he was chasing her on a motorcycle and she's just kind of standing there and he just like totally wipes out it's got all kinds of subtle little moments there but they're all these quantum moments like it's all one experience that we can't figure it out it's why people try to study and they try to do it through rituals and all the things that human human mind will try to reach it and it's like this big let go of everything that's what happened with the chair services morning I get Ricky and person are flowing on this book I'm married a mystic and it's been flowing but then it hit this this this snag where it just the flow just got seemingly they just were thrown out of it and I was using a lot of different things on the phone for the for the hour that you guys were having church in there to try to come back I haven't come back more and more but it's more of this surrender moment of letting go of everything absolutely everything you can't pull a scrap of perception from the world and think that that's going to age you and coming to true understanding it's more about just let it all go I like the looks on the characters when they have even a moment in the movie they're just kind of looking at each other like what or when they were asking Tom Cruise about the what's next and then all of the opinions you can see he was like praying he's just like not calling it that in this movie but he was just in a moment tuning in the most amazing thing about this movie is that they came together in love it was just love that brought them back together one by one they couldn't help just love what are you going to do even trying to save themselves wouldn't work and it's like you have to do it and then at some point it's like towards the end actually they were joining so to speak and he was praying they were kind of questioning him a little bit you just want to get that guy because your ego is proved because he keeps beating you you just want to beat the guy who constantly beats you and that's why you're so off trade and he's like is this what you think it's all about is this what you think it was like so open too really I was like please share your thoughts I was like please share this because we have to go further if this is what you think the purpose of this mission is we can't possibly go like further did they know at the beginning in this situation arose that they were each going to be did they know when they all started to try to tackle the situation they said they all came together to solve some problem they were dismantled from the beginning and so the spirit kind of orchestrates the whole thing it's almost like they're not even conscious of what's happening until they find each other in the midst of attempting to solve that and even when they find each other that doesn't help them at all when the bodies come together they're just still like what is going on do we trust this can we trust this I think even more so when they come together they're aware that they're more clueless that you'd think when they come together they could just talk it out that's the way the whole movie was going and then that one I think that was just for us when she said just come with me and leave it all that was just Holy Spirit just zipping in the answer here I'll just tuck this one right in the middle here but it's amazing this is where you can't deny the experience of the dream or of the dream because it's like this is so dreamy so it's just like you're kidding and digitally we'll probably do a big deep session and put it on Movie Watchers Guide to Enlightenment and it's our gift to the whole we have to like this is so deep I mean it's just I actually I wonder if the rest are actually going to see that scene I wouldn't be surprised if if I'd hear like no there was no such a scene you know it's just it's that dream it's like what do you want to hear it's like you'll hear what you want to hear and so it just becomes this is where the mind's at it's starting to hear it's come upon that point where it actually it knows there's that option it knows it it's constantly there but yeah it's forgiveness true forgiveness it's like active it's like last week I can't remember I'm watching all sorts of talks now they're so helpful and you use the phrase digital protection and that morning I had been on a hike or a walk through this neighborhood I called it a hike to San because it was up and down so I'm drawing to certain things and there was a sign like for sale sign I'm like oh great house and then I look again the sign like well that doesn't mean anything underneath it was a sign for the alarm system because the house was unoccupied they had moved down already which was and it had the name of it and then I was drawn to the words digital protection when I heard you say it later I'm like okay I trust you you have my back he said it, the sign said it I've been looking for that assurance I can't see it but it's here that was so amazing with your talks so often I'm embarrassed like Ricky said something about the what did you call it, receptionaholic I mean I literally felt that in my head and she said you do the same as I thought and then I heard you say it like a day later I'm gonna talk about speaking through you people I mean for now I know why the DH I should hear before I ever heard of David Hoppmeister all these things is such a a guide that I I could just walk in and have one or two moments of I am what I used to call them not really divine intervention but serendipitous events that they happen here too often and they think I'm not even surprised anymore we just want to say it to people I seriously I'm not even thinking why aren't you what I'm watching how is it about a hold of my laptop that is Christ central I love that through central casting so thank you all for being connected to the same Christ central that I'm going to J.C. Central J.C. Central feeling we should just get a recorder instead of up there yeah it's getting good going