 Okay, thanks for staying with us. So last year the World Bank described the level of quality of infrastructure in Nigeria as low despite the federal government's claim of borrowing to finance infrastructure. Now the government the report rather stated that the country ranked 132 out of 137 countries for infrastructure in the 2018 global competitive index. Nigeria's physical infrastructure gap is estimated to reach three trillion US dollars over the next 30 years and at the current rate of expenditure allocation it will take 300 years to close the country's current infrastructural gap. It goes without saying that the poor state of infrastructure in Nigeria has a severe effect on the life of the citizens and the state of the economy of course the economic activities. Now from the incessant electricity issues, housing problem lack of proper water and sanitation infrastructure it is clear why we need to address the existing maintenance culture in Nigeria. So today we are asking what the impact of this zero maintenance culture on Nigeria infrastructure what is the impact. Now please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or what at the rate one 803-4663 you can also tweet at us at Weishu Afqa on the hashtag Weishu. Jennifer you are going to follow up on the story for the flooding. Yeah so if I remember correctly I don't know if they fixed that area but growing up because I grew up around that area right and I remember that they always have there was this the gutters they were really wide and big and deep so there was no there was there was nothing that protects you sometimes if you have to go to Abathur you probably have to jump over the gutter or there's always this tiny plank that they put around that area and I don't know if that's still the situation right now because thinking about it and that is what this happened so it's like once there is that flood there is nothing right it pushes everything down to that gutter so if anyone falls in there how do you save somebody like that and it's really really sad because I don't know I don't know it's tiring very tiring so maintenance culture is not something that is you know strange to to us like knowing that we have zero maintenance culture is not a strange thing but I want to ask why has it lingered you know why are we not seen so I mean you put a beautiful road for instance you put the media the medians and all of that you wake up as soon as the government is leaving the next thing you're seeing that somebody is coming to pull up all those things nobody is holding them accountable nobody's arrested anybody nobody has gone to jail for vandalizing public infrastructure right so if we really want to count the cost of what this zero maintenance culture is on Nigerian's infrastructure like really we literally cannot even put a cost to it there's a there's an audio that is going viral on tiktok seven days i know go front i know go back i i i day for supple road you know that was a driver lamenting that he's been stuck in a particular spot he's not going forward he's not going back but they've used it to turn music i did for supple roads i know go front i know go back and all of that you know i know i i know fit to go front i know fit to go back you understand that was the the the summary longer short of it right we've not even put a cost to how much we have lost in terms of revenue right with this poor or poorly maintained infrastructure we've not put a cost to why we are not able to expand our infrastructures you know why every government that comes in will first of all go back and say oh this hospital that was built they are renovating you see them spending millions of naira and millions of dollars on maintenance on on renovation on on renovation on renovation with in my opinion i believe that if there was a proper structure to ensure that there was maintenance of those properties we don't need to go back and revisit instead we are building newer infrastructures and then maintaining them we don't need to because those ones are well maintained so i don't even know how to measure what we have lost or what we are losing as a result of zero maintenance culture but let me come to you nj so when it comes to maintenance we can see it's clearly in every area or the sense of it which would include from the airports when you go to the airports they tell you you know we just have a newly built airport and then you get there and then within two weeks or a month of its opening or its unveiling you find out that the lift isn't working there's no light at some at some points the escalators are not working some doors are not opening and things like that and when you even come to maintenance they're even different types of maintenance what we do most of the time in in in nigeria is corrective so we always because the jobs are substandard and not done properly every that's why every year when a new every time when a new government comes in they have to correct what the previous government has maybe the damage they have they also correct it poorly stated there because yes somebody has to come again because actually there's supposed to be preventive maintenance and then before even the corrective so there are different levels of maintenance but we always find ourselves doing corrective maintenance most of the time because even at the beginning we don't use the right materials we're always using substandard materials and things like that and we always like you say they give the costing and the costing runs in billions and trillions and what have you and every dispensation has a budget for this same thing every time every four years we have a new every time we have a budget we have a budget for infrastructure for the development of infrastructure and for the maintenance of infrastructure so you always wonder why the money attributed to the maintenance is not used for maintenance and the money you're not seeing new structures being put up and it's it's a major this thing has become a major problem because it affects every area of our lives when you talk about transport when the transport system is not good we end up most of us when the roads are not good we end up at the mechanic every month because you have the whole first of all the whole bottom of your car everything is gone and then you have you know potholes have damaged the tires have damaged different parts of your car so it this thing boils down when we have bad housing when we don't have you know adequate housing or adequate water it affects as a family you see cholera you see different you know illnesses you see flies you see so it it has we have to understand that we all these things have a ripple effect and it all i always say starts with us we as Nigerians we don't that's why i keep saying we we're not even ready for the kind of change we want because we as Nigerians we throw out things trash the trash that we throw out on the road and on the streets of Lagos is what gets into the gutter and clubs it when i know that is the the responsibility of the government of the state government to and the institutions and the agencies to make sure that these things are taken care of and well maintained but guess what we run a population of 200 million they're about i'm counting and if 200 people are littering the whole streets of Lagos how would the men how many people would you require in order to maintain the gods to that standard that we're looking do you let me come to you i would always come back to the fact that Nigerians whether we like to accept it or not we're just wicked and we're selfish people it's simple as that and it starts from the commissioner or the governor or the local government chairman or the agency director or pansek who says okay you know what rather than give the the construction of a road to a company that has been building roads with a track record of you know solid roads and all that you give it to your friend your friend gives it to a shoddy company that is just trying to find their feet or a company that they just knocked together nobody is doing any money and evaluation no quality control nothing the most important thing is money comes out of the government coffers taxpayers are paying for it and it's assist you know what you get whatever we give to you and keep your mouth shut again because citizens we do not understand the power that we have we do not understand the fact that at some level we can actually sue certain people and until we understand that that we can take people to court we can demand accountability Nigeria will keep being a free fall or i mean it's a free fall nobody cares and then guess what these people they probably fly jeeps and all that okay maybe a jeep can probably navigate through you know when there is flood and all that or they can fly in their helicopters and all that if you're traveling out of Lagos it's even worse like you will be literally scared to move out of Lagos to go and do anything ordinary or go state if it rains from itoike to in fact itoike is almost like halfway between Lagos and Ogun state Ogun state is supposed to be gateway states now you are supposed to expect that a lot of food coming into Lagos come through that road so it begs the question if the roads are not accessible how do we transport food how do manufacturers factories goods and services how do they come into Lagos but guess what i can bet you if the governor of Lagos state is moving from Lagos time the government is moving from Lagos to Ogun state and guess what we don't hold anybody accountable so until we get to that point where we i mean where we take into cognizance everything that's enough is enough is trying to put out there in terms of politracy and understand our responsibilities and our rights we won't see any change it will still be the same we will keep on being the casualties of this senselessness that's all i can say and then of course as citizens we do the most a newly constructed road at least i have witnessed that a newly constructed road you find people selling garland traffic and all that they know that if there is free flow of traffic they can hook their wares so they go in the night under the cover of darkness they dig new roads of course nobody cares if anybody says anything they say please mind your business which we want to again there is no enforcement of law there is absolutely nigeria is almost as if nigeria is just you know we'll just take as much as you can and every other person face front if you want to talk you to take your own and let me just be so it's a sad place really it is okay i know you've raised a very very valid point around digging of holes but i remember that there was a time a governor in this state said street hawking street hawking was banned right whatever happened to those laws because the truth is if there are no traffic you will not see people selling in traffic they will go and find alternate source of income that's why you see when you travel abroad there are millions of malls shopping malls for you to go in drive in and even if it is one one pack of a sausage you want to buy you must go pack buy it and so you understand like the sanity that people have abroad i mean i was in my sister's apartment like in in their estate and i saw where they are bathing dogs where they bathe their dogs it is it is so clean you know that you can actually bathe a newborn baby there and i when i saw it i shook my head i said to myself where human beings they bathe for nigeria you can't even like literally you can't i literally will have to hold myself do you understand in their estate they see the swimming pool you will think you are in a five star hotel the swimming pool that it's within their estate not even something that is like you know it you think you're in a five star hotel they are they are lobby they are far away if you don't want people to come into your house you can entertain your guests in a in a common area you will think you are somewhere else right these are people that understand value for human life let me tell you something that i think with maintenance culture if we as people start to set up standards he go hard for me to look this thing say i won't go spoiler journalism i'm saying yeah like if i've seen the way the standard of this thing is relaxing this thing do you understand so when i'm getting up i would arrange the this if you need to have seen me in that they are lobby i was helping them to arrange the trope those were because when i came in everything was intact it was put together right so i wanted to live it better than i met it have we will talk to our public toilets this one generally it's not even only a government building generally it's like we have a a phobia for clean toilets in this country because if you go to even the the the top organizations say that you go that's why most of them want to enter your organization yeah no your toilet i'll go check first to know who you be because when you even go to those toilets you will be wondering like are you human beings in this building it's like it is a crime for you to have a very decent toilet so most of us when we went abroad the first time because of the way the white the toilets were pristine they were white we used to sit on it we don't not say toilet disease did you even don't say the thing cleanly white because that was how you know when you have you've been bubbly your your mind has been bubbly programmed to believe that it is only when a toilet looks looks brownish and whatever that's what makes it a dirty toilet do you understand so when you travel that brother he's so clean toilet you just sit down on it until you started having you know toilets the toilet was called the things that come with infections infections and all of that they not realize that it's not because the toilet looked both you could see right so when it comes to these maintainers standards first have to be set you understand and i think that standard comes from whatever we first of all we we we develop so once we set a standard you understand if they bone you away go and vandalize it or understand once you set those standards and people see it the reason that they can take a whatever to go and hammer a road and dig up a hole is because the road in itself too is not there's a road you need to literally use a digger or whatever what the name of that thing to dig out the hole you need to you need to deploy machinery to come and dig it up but we don't have all of those so if we're talking about the cost every government that you see now they spend so much money do you want to renovate national assembly with billions of naira i'm wondering how did we get to that stage do you understand do you know how much we're losing with all this so-called renovation renovation renovation where would have been using it to to to create a mostly called newer infrastructures but let's take a break right i want to open the phone lines hopefully we can get a few calls in stay with us we'll be right she'll be coming down right it's actually becoming down i'm just upset all right so if you just turned in we're discussing the the impact of this zero maintenance culture on our infrastructure please let's hear what you have to remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or what's up to the rate one 8034663 you can also tweet at us at we show africa one with the hashtag we show now our phone line is now open you know the rules turn off the volume of whatever device it is that you're watching us from the number to call is zero seven zero two five zero zero seven seven four nine that's the number to call angie you are going to come in yes i was going to say that there was the recent story i think it happened earlier on i think late yesterday three a.m. in the morning yesterday you know motorists called in to inform the police of a vandal that was tearing apart the ebutemata a row division bridge that you know towards the end of ebutemata and and he was caught at 3 a.m. in the morning so these are the issues so just like you were saying these are the issues that we keep having and that's why for me i keep coming to we as a people because it starts with us if we do not create and you know cultivate the culture of maintaining even within our immediate environment this is how we go so they built a bridge and because you do not own a car or because you think that you will not be affected you go and you vandalize the bridge what of have you ever stopped to think if you're if you have a family member on the bridge today collapses let me take our first caller this way or books from ikorodu i believe or bots from ikorodu you're alive good evening good evening honestly i like your mood this evening i really like your mood yeah good evening most of us are in that mood but we don't we can't talk out because for and let let let not want not be arrested your mood this evening is very very on that you know because what we are going oh wow so sorry sorry try to call back my sister if they want to rest maybe i rest now we didn't even finish you understand like i am i'm not tired i don't know how how to pretend anymore i don't like what's your child no on a serious note would you watch your child suffer like that would you watch your child die like that come on let's start to start to think about other people other than ourselves it is so it is so wicked and selfish it's not like these things let me tell you something everything that happens in nigeria right it's not something that is new to us it's something that has been happening we used to do something about love after madhya your life my best friend in the house good evening ever say my mind and say and it is true that i am not active in anybody if you want to arrest a red spare your pleasing please spare yourself i'll be ready to know it now let me don't tell you zero maintenance culture has made it now who are who are those representing us who are those taking they doing that i settle with the responsibility of this tremor on all this you don't see them doing the whole thing so it's quite unfortunate that this zero maintenance i'm telling you my message for in avya said now this railway in avya said they called the rail line because they were not able to maintain it they are now removed from the rail line in avya said no more you act why is it so so if this president administration will as the way they are going if they will do the needful let them make sure that they will get to have zero maintenance culture and make sure that they must do their work and they brought the agency please help me tell the government let them return back our rail line that they remove we don't have rail line again in avya you know why thank you thank you very much thank you you know i i saw i saw a video i watched the video about um the dilapidated state of obu du karto ranch right and that place looks like a ghost town you know obu du karto ranch was once celebrated people went there for vacation people wanted to be able to attraction site right and it's like people keep saying oh why do people why do nigerians keep leaving nigeria to other places because we have nothing here right and the things that we have are not being maintained properly and the person who made the video showed us the the cable cars when they made the cable lines and the cars people were very excited about it and that was one of the reasons why people wanted to go all the way to cross river to see it and to experience it but it is as good as dead there is nothing there anymore the entire place was just ghostly you're even speaking back this is back i had an experience because i've been there i visited and this was 2000 and you know mid 2000 and even the cable car wasn't working as at then so i'm not very surprised that is the way it is and even like loma said this he cut it whenever i've been on the road away past that is where i'm from so i understand his pain because they took me to nj's village since i was in my mouth since i was little in short over the years i think some people have you know tried to maintain it but since i was little it's been like that going to going back home was let me take a boner from potacot a boner your life yeah good evening good evening yes i'm so sorry so sorry that you won't have to feel this bad about our roads and not that for social and not and maintain in this country the truth is the government officials and they are i don't know how to read how do you avoid the good contrast to someone that you do not bother about adding another i don't know how to put it where they can be able to continue to maintain that project or that the other road for another five years or ten years that can be done because you don't just have one contract and they do the road and then everybody gets away but because the people that constructed it and every person leaves the road it will go bad you should be added in the contract that this road you are going to maintain it for another five years you the contractor that is constructing this road the same thing goes to the building include there where someone can continue that the the constructors or the contractors whoever they are will continue to maintain such road for another two years or three years or five years that way that infrastructure will last thank you what you said or what you said it's all abroad that is what they do they add it to the to the the contract language or whatever they call it where they will continue to maintain that that road or that building or whatever it is or the bridge for the last five years or ten years absolutely and the government is is or is editing to fund it i i like that that's where it should go okay thank you bon i like where you're going with the conversation and i want you a lot to comment but the truth is again the people would argue and uti if you are watching she's the one that will argue with me that leki eqs press way that because of the toll right i mean that's why it is the revenue from the toll and i beg to disagree right this road is too small of a road for you to toll it in the way you're tolling it right see there is revenue that is being generated from commercial buses from commercial like so for instance now if there are trucks like commercial users of these routes are the ones that supposed to be tax not right bait what's called car owners so once you are able to properly collect those taxes and suppose what they are having all these touts on the road right you'll be able to have revenue to maintain those roads enough revenue right it doesn't have to be on the citizens we're already paying taxes anyway right so if you are able to take the the commercial what's it called users of these routes both the trucks and all of those things and tax them appropriately not the one that they are collecting money on the streets and we don't know where the money is going to let me take somebody else they don't want me to talk again let's say you let's say thank you for calling let's say you're alive let's say you there did we lose her oh sorry try to call back i mean so i want you to comment right um how do we how do we prefer a solution if we went to because i don't want to leave this conversation all doom and doom like the culture of excellence individually before we can now before it becomes a national movement if i at ziola as an individual can put excellence in everything i do i'm on the road you know with the culture of excellence i know that i can't drop anything on the road i know that i can't do this i know that i can't do that and then you know from there it becomes a a situation where everybody knows that this is the right way that is the right way let me just give me a minute i think essay is back essay you're alive sorry jola i'll come back to you all right essay you're alive hello hello yes go ahead quickly essay we can hear you go ahead hello go ahead essay we can hear you oh i think the network is but so sorry you can try to call back again jola please wrap up your thoughts on that so the second thing i would say is enforcement i mean there must be punishment it must be a criminal offense you know if you don't if you if you provide some standard work where you are a government contractor it should be you should be penalized i mean this is not even a case of pay a fine of you should actually go to jail you know from the person who i wanted the contract to the department that didn't ensure that there was proper monitoring and evaluation to the all the contractor they should go to jail and there should be a court that will not be biased that will try that case i mean when we begin to see examples of absolutely thank you so much jola for that let me take daniel i believe from leki you're alive daniel go ahead we're having problems with the phone lines daniel apologies i think we're having issues with the line you know um i would say that if we have i like within jola they talk she she they sweet me for body because you see all these things where they talk nice it doesn't really concern me my father has turned down a federal government road job because of the shadiness of the job asking him to just go and pour sand on the ruka was a kasa kawai you understand my father says so so somebody will drive on that road and die i will not put the blood on my head i'll rather leave the job right if those if we begin to even arrest all those contractors that do shabby jobs right we will get it we'll get somewhere well you see they cannot arrest them because they collected bribe from them too they collected kickbacks let me take daniel or who's back again you're alive go ahead yeah good evening good evening yes well i am actually enjoying your discussions with the other ladies but i think the point should be what exactly are we going with the culture of maintenance in our country i think it starts from the home i remember when we used to be younger back in school our teachers teachers starting uh regulations of business from home even on the streets by picking up pieces of paper or whatever deaths you have on the floor even in schools but recently or presently how many schools do they anymore how many of them tell young uh students or pupils from army schools how to be clean how to be patriotic to their country because it starts from the home thank you daniel thank you as you grow as you grow that culture then comes it grows with us absolutely i agree with you let's wrap of this conversation ladies because i don't get anything what i want to do when you say he goes with quickly so for me i agree completely with what daniel is saying i also agree with your last well there needs to be penalty for this i mean if we even look at how we live sometimes you live where you're you're currently staying in your building or your apartment and you're moving to another place or maybe the agents have shown you like 10 houses nine of them are really bad and terrible and you can see that the landlord who lives there yeah who you you see you see tenants you see they are room looking terrible the toilets and you'll be asking yourself how can you live in this state right and you can't even move in there because you know that the landlord will leave it for you to take care of and it just doesn't make any sense so i think we all need to do our part right but i think i think that the the the major part of the work is on the government right just lay structures there needs to be proper structures there needs to be proper standards absolutely and let us follow through that yeah okay jala do you have one more thing to say a second excellent excellent excellent we must do better as the people we must have a higher standard of ourselves absolutely we must tell ourselves that cleanliness is next is is the is the very best of what we can i mean from cleanliness it speaks to our values as a people if we don't have values as a people there's absolutely nothing that can be done we will just keep thinking that we can just live life anyhow nobody would arrest or nobody would there are no repercussions more like more like in two seconds yeah for me i'll just say we're responsible for our environment and it is our responsibility to keep ourselves healthy by keeping our environment healthy and it starts with us yeah so i don't think i have i have what i want to say should come out of my mouth but let me leave it there the truth is um let's let's first of all set up set a precedent let's set a standard right and everybody will fall in line there has to be penalties there has to be penalties this maintenance culture is definitely not over as you can see that my blood is still hot who will definitely bring it back but thank you so much for watching and apologies to those that we couldn't take your messages and calls you know today the lines were really jammed thank you for watching now please remember you can join us across all our social media handle like share invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation right and if you missed our quote for today here it is again it says another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do the maintenance right so i mean this is important we're hoping that we will move from this we will start to see a better you know culture in nigeria we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m as we bring another great conversation to your screen