 Hi folks, I am Mike and I hope you're well and welcome to Creative Studio Live again. I am joined by my co-host Pete Johns who I'll introduce in a moment but we are very excited about today's topic. In fact, it's one dear to our hearts and one that we think we could help some people out with. We're talking about coping with other people's opinions about you and your work. Now I just want to say right up front, if you happen to be watching this stream or the replay and you're not a musician or music producer, fear not because I think this topic will be general enough that you can find some help within the topic. Now if you are in the live chat and I can see a couple of people there already, then please do take part in this because we'd love to hear your input about this very important topic. Now I am going to welcome my co-host Pete Johns from Studio Live today. Hi Pete, how are you doing and how's your week been? Mike, I am doing exceptionally well mate and my week has been exceptionally good. So yeah, lots of things happening in the world of Studio Live today. Daily videos coming out and yeah, we've had some new releases and new iMovie came out and I did a video about that. Lots of stuff going on mate and I'm absolutely stoked to talk about opinions and what has been happening in Creative Source in the last week too? You've been getting some videos out there mate? I have been busy making some videos and I got a nice one out about some sort of cinematic sounds called Aurora from Fluffy Audio. I enjoyed that. But I've been desk building, I've been getting my hands dirty in the garage and today I'm actually painting my desk so it's certainly been a labour of love. Now let's get stuck into this topic because I am very excited to talk about this because I think this is something that people find quite challenging. So I will apologise in advance if we get a little bit more serious than we normally do and I just want to sort of say right up front that if you are sort of suffering or feeling very very down because of people's opinions about you then don't suffer alone. Find people to talk with about it. We can all help each other out and I'm going to go straight over to Pete first off. I'm going to have you start the ball rolling Pete so to speak and tell us how you feel or how you deal with people's opinions about you and your work. It is a tough one and I do want to echo Mike's thoughts there that we will have some fun on this and we will talk about some silly things because that's what we do on this stream. We're not going to do the debate format that we normally do here where we take different sides because I think this is a topic that is near and dear to both of our hearts and something that we want to talk about with a little bit more robust discussion. The first thing I'm going to start with is I like to get inside people's heads and think about why. So when Mike said to me, Pete, we're talking about other people's opinions. The first thing I thought is why do people share their opinions? What is the actual reason behind that? I broke it down into sort of five categories of sharing. Number one is that they want to help people. So they want to actually provide help and assistance. And this is my favorite one and this is what I try to do and what I know a lot of folks out there. The reason that they have opinions on your music or on how you produce your music or on how you create anything whether it's videos or whatever it is in life is that they want to actually help you. Number two is that they want to support and encourage you. So they want to be nice to you. They want to show their appreciation for the stuff that you do. We then sort of move into some of the more murky waters which is perhaps some people provide their opinion to validate their own beliefs, perhaps. So they have a particular view on something and they want to validate that belief. So they have an opinion on what you do because they have maybe a varying opinion and that's going to help them out. We then move into a bit of like insecurity. So that's sort of again we're getting sort of more into the negative side. So maybe some people provide their opinions because they're not as secure about the way that they're doing something and they want again. It's sort of similar to the validating beliefs. And then I can't think of a nice word because we like to keep things a little bit family-friendly here, Mike. But some people are just not nice people. So they will provide their opinions to be a troublemaker, to make people feel bad. These are the ones that we'll probably get to. We can call them trolls. We can call them whatever you want. But there is that component. So that was sort of the first thing I thought about is in terms of that, you probably need to categorize in first. And the reason I say all these things is that understanding the intention that people have when they are providing their opinion on things is really important. And I know we'll probably get to that and talk about that more. But that was my, the first thing when you said this, that's what first came into my mind about it. That's very, very interesting. I like the way that you've broken that down. And I suspect it's the last group of people that are probably going to be what we're talking about tonight in some ways because it's those very, very negative opinions that you can sometimes receive. And a lot of those opinions are going to come online nowadays because we do so much of what we do online. And it's sort of reminded me of something there. I think we use this blanket term, trolls. And, and you know, I think you were hesitating to call them assholes. But I was going to say dicks. I think that's in some ways, not the whole story. And I'm going to be, you've already inspired me to say something that's not on my, on my notes completely tonight. So I just want to quickly get out there that I'm over 50. And something I've been doing since I was around about 10 years old is busking. I get on the streets to people's honest opinions. There's something I learned or thought about, I suppose, many, many years ago was I cannot control who is on the street. I get a true cross section of people on the street. I'm not sure what's happened on a live stream. We may have disappeared for a moment. So I get a true cross section of the public on the street and I can't control who they are. There's going to be some educated people, some musical people. There's going to be some elderly people. There's going to be some children. There's all walks of life pass in front of me. And one of the walks of life who pass in front of me are people who are mentally ill or have some, you know, mental illness or disposition, I suppose is a nice and people who are suffering temporarily, they may be suffering from grief. They may be going through a marriage breakup. They marriage that there's all kinds of reasons why some people can be quite aggressive and untowards in their way. Now on the internet, we're just going to identify them as a troll. But it's useful, I think, to understand that you are exposing yourself as an artist to all walks of life just in the same way I am when I'm busking. And you can't control that and there will be all kinds of people. Some people perhaps weren't broad upright and haven't learned how to express their opinion in a constructive way. Or maybe they're just having a bad day. Maybe their dog died yesterday and they just hate the universe and they're taking it out on you. The important thing for you to understand is it's not really about you. It's about them. It's what they're going through and it's not related to who you are or what you do. That's my first sort of point inspired by your last night with their people. I love it, mate. And it's something that I had in a future point. And this one is going to be a little bit more of a fluid kind of conversation because we're probably going to bounce these sort of ideas off each other. But that's something that I had in one of my notes here is that before you take drastic actions, so you talked about busking and all of what many of us have performed live in front of people or we've put music out there and got opinions and things back. And one of the important things that I think about people's opinions is that before you take drastic action, and this is not just music. This is not just producing music. This is everything in life. Before you take drastic actions based on especially one person's opinions, but even many people's opinions, you do have to actually put them through that filter. And I call this like the rational filter. So is this something? So when you get feedback, when you get someone's opinion, you need to ask yourself, is this something a rational human being would actually say to another human being if they actually thought about all the consequences and all the impact of their opinion and what they were saying. So if I break that down for you, if you get some feedback from someone and we've had it on YouTube channels because we decide to put ourselves on YouTube and that's basically like saying, hello world, please just tell us exactly what you think of us all the time. So when you get that feedback, the same if you share music on SoundCloud or on Spotify or wherever you're going to do that, wherever you're getting feedback, people are going to give you that opinion. And if they're giving you something like your music suck, you suck, everything's terrible, just think about if you're walking down the street and someone said that to you, how much heed would you take to that? If someone attacked you verbally as you're walking along the street, you're whistling a tune, you're like, you are the worst whistler in the world. And I think you should never whistle again. Would you actually take that as something? Oh, well, okay, this person clearly has a lot to say. So I'm going to listen to what they say. So I think that is something that I resonate with that you have to think about, where is this coming from? What is this person telling you? And how much heed should you take of the advice that you're getting from? A, a stranger, B, someone that's being hostile for no apparent reason. And I forgot my three, but I'm sure it was amazing point. So think about the context and who is actually providing that feedback because it's a big project for you, Pete. You know, try and remember your points, you know, it is, it is tough. I was getting so passionate. You know, that thing where you're passionate, you forget. Now, I just want to take a quick one minute break just to say hi to the folks in the chat there. Well, one of my favorite subscribers, Pat Jackman, is in the chat. So hi, Pat. Nice to see you, mate. And Vachi from Recording Studio nine is on nine. G'day, Vachi. We hope you're going well. And I, for one, am missing seeing your videos. I really hope you get back to making some soon. And, and, and Sunray has had lots to say in the chat. I'll just quickly summarize. He's saying you can do it. Pete and Mike are awesome. Okay, that wasn't the one. Keep creating that authentic audio. Express yourself, love yourself. Great. Don't suffer in silence. Important. You know, I can say, for example, that myself and Pete are friends and we don't suffer in silence. If we have a particularly nasty troll, we tend to privately make fun of that person behind the back. We do indeed. We may even talk about some of those a bit later, Mike. There's a teaser that we have for later. I've already put from Sunray there. He's saying, Busking is awesome as a busy public transport hub, especially at Rush House. Yes, I love Mel Busking. That's for another video. Very passionate about Busking. But yes, now getting a bit more into the nitty gritty, because I know that if you've ever, if as an artist, perhaps you've put a video on YouTube or you've put a song out and told people about it on SoundCloud or you've released the song, or you're at a gig, if you ever found yourself in the situation where a hundred or 200 people have said you're great, and then one person has really got stuck into you and said, your music is rubbish. You're an embarrassment. You're a joke, blah, blah, blah. And all you can do all day is think about that one person, not the other 100. Then I can say, you need to start to find solutions and plan for that situation and think about this topic. And I'm glad you're watching this video. Not only that, but I'd like to say we've all been there. There's some people you meet who really it's like, wore off a duck's back. But honestly, I've been there. I know you've been there, Pete, where it can just get under your skin a little bit, despite all of the wisdom. And I wanted to touch on that a little bit about why that might be. And I suspect it's because you'll hear musicians especially often say, oh, music is my life, you know, music, what do that music, so on and so forth. Musicians by nature and producers are very, very connected to their work, and they see their work as a part of themselves. When someone says didn't like that song, the subtitle for us can be don't like you, you're not good as a musician. Suddenly, rather than our song being under threat, our whole person is under threat. You know, our whole identity is under threat. I know I'm getting a little psycho badly here in a bit. This is just the way I feel about the topic. So I think it's important to kind of disassociate your value of yourself from your music and your output. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's maybe easier said than done. And if you can catch me on a bad day when someone's really got stuck into me, which they do occasionally from my channel. But honestly, you know, I've got a couple of kids and a lovely partner out there, and I care what they think about me. Yeah, ultimately. And everyone else likes my work so far. Are you Mr. Johnson? I say, I say here here. And yeah, like, I think it's interesting because I'm going to talk about a couple of things here. And I'm going to get a little bit weird and sideways ranty here because, funnily enough, a lot of us musicians and a lot of us creators and creative types are quite sensitive. Many of us are introverted. Many of us are shy and reserved, which is weird. We can get on a stage and we can sing a song. We can put out videos. We can write songs with very in-depth, meaningful lyrics. Yet often we, yeah, we have not struggles, but I think many of us have, myself included, have had struggles with these sort of things where you get stuck on what people say. And your point is very valid because I can, I can put out a video and you know what it's like, Mike, you put out videos as well and you'll get, you know, 50 people will thumbs up and one will thumbs down. You'll get 20 positive comments and one person will says, oh, scroll through two or three minutes where it actually starts talking about what's really going on in this video. And they can bug the crap out of you because it's like, hang on. So you don't want, you're someone that doesn't listen to the intro or the verse. You don't want the chorus. It's like, just start singing the chorus. Is that what we're talking about with you? Anyway, I'm getting off track here, but yeah, totally right. And the thing is why it can be damaging. So this is my next point and what I wanted to talk about here is that why people's opinions can be damaging and why people, if you are, and I don't think anyone in your channel or my channel, any of our subscribers, anyone watching this video, are these people. But just in case you know someone who is, right, why it can actually be damaging to give your unfiltered opinion. And the thing is a lot of folks will say, well, I tell it like it is, Mike. What you see is what you get with me. You will never, you'll never die wondering what I'm thinking about. Well, that's fine. But what you're not considering is that not everyone is you. Not everyone is like you. Not everyone has the same feelings as you. And by just pushing yourself out there in your unfiltered, raw form all the time without any consideration for other people's feelings, you're actually creating damage because there's going to be 10% of people that'll be just like you. You will say, hey, that sucked. And they'll be like, yeah, well, you suck. And that'll be did. That'll be it done. Or they'll say, hey, you suck. And they'll be like, oh, okay. Yeah, probably do. Neither of those are great. So in terms of that, why it can be damaging. So people won't actually start things because they're worried. So when you start a YouTube channel, you've started a YouTube channel, Mike, as have I, it is, it is daunting. You go out there and you're saying, I'm putting myself out there into the public and putting myself on the line. And a lot of people don't do what we do right now because they're like, that guy's got no hair and he's a 40 year old guy that's like kind of kind of tubby. That guy's 50 and he's got gray hair. Why would these two guys be on YouTube? And we think, well, because why not? Like we're going, well, we know we're going to get some haters that will say some things. What are you going to do? So some people won't start. Other people will start and then they're going to stop because of what one, two, three people say. There might be 50 people saying, giving them their opinion that, hey, this is really good, but they're going to stop doing what they're doing because of the opinion of some people. So if that is you, you're creating music, if you're producing music, if you're doing anything in life and you make a decision to stop doing it because of the opinions of other people, take, as Mike said before, take a long, hard look at who's providing that opinion before you make such a big decision. And don't believe, the third sort of category of that, why it can be damaging is that people will believe in the BS. So they'll listen to the opinions and they'll take on board that one negative and like you said, the bunch of positive one negative and then they'll change what they do. So I've seen this a bunch of times. I've seen people that have completely changed up the way they produce music, the type of music they produce, the type of content they produce, things that they do because they've listened to the wrong people. And don't remember, the majority are silent, the minority are loud. If you're listening to the loud minority then and making changes based on that loud minority, you are ignoring the 95% of people that probably aren't telling you that you're doing a great job, but are thinking that you're doing a great job. So there you go. That's my point. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, now I just, again, I want to go to the comments, but you know, thanks for that. I think it's very interesting. It touches a little bit on a live stream I watched with someone who's in the comments. I'll just be outright and say this that I know that Vachi was finding that people were criticizing him and he's not the only one. I've received the same criticism and you have well peaked for people saying your video, you know, you've taken too long to get into the bread and butter. And I know with Vachi's videos that he takes the time to explain the background to what he's doing and the kind of build up to the solution. And I think it would be a mistake to change that style based upon the odd person who, like you say, makes that comment. Oh, the video doesn't really start three minutes in. Just, you know, those people can't learn because they haven't got the patience to listen. So you can't really help them. You know, so, so I, you know, again, directing this has actually, you know, I hope he does make his videos again, because I really enjoy them. I like his style and I like the, I really enjoy the detail that he goes into. Now, I just wanted to touch upon something that Pat Jackman was saying. And this is a funny one. I've really been here with this. He says, what about people who ask for an opinion? I try to be honest, but kind. It's a hard industry. And I think it's more important to be honest with someone whilst also being encouraging. Yes. At the end of the day, how can we put it? It is a tough industry, right? Because, you know, if you put it in sort of blunt terms, people judge you with their wallet at the end of the day. Are they going to buy your songs or they're not? And it doesn't matter. Your grandmother told you a million times and your favorite auntie how awesome you are. People don't give a toss about that. So there are some tough, there are some tough realities to the music business. You do actually have to be good in some way to really cut through now. But how do you deliver that? Years ago, I was involved in a local TV show called Wax Lyrical with the Australian Songwriters Association. And I produced a series with them. And I was the host of the live show. We had many, many people coming through hoping to appear on television. And we would film, I guess, about 15 people a night and only televised three or four of them. And people often, you're often required to give your opinions to people, not necessarily on screen, but behind, you know, backstage or what have you. And it was very difficult at times, I have to say, because some people were truly dreadful, very, very enthusiastic, really wanted to be successful in music. But in just some very basic terms, they're playing or they're singing was not good. Now, to be fair, there's lots of us who start out pretty bad, you know, and sounding great. And it is possible to move forward. What I used to do, Pat, when giving people, I developed a way of finding something good in everything that people did. So maybe they were playing their guitar and they were playing the chords, not great. And maybe they're singing wasn't that great. Maybe if nothing else, what they did have was, how can I put it, an enthusiasm. And you might say, hey, I really enjoyed the enthusiasm in your performance, you know. Now, sometimes, as Pat is saying, you know, it is important to be important. I think that you've got to sometimes build relationships with people before you can deliver some hard and truthful sort of facts, you know. And that's just a part of life, I guess, it's pretty hard. It's pretty hard people to be receptive if you're just going to go straight in and say, didn't like that song very much. And you don't know them. So generally with people, I'm saying it's just a bit of a communication score. I reckon to sort of go, hey, you know, you did well with your presentation. It was great. And that second song, I really liked that one lyric in there. That was great. But you know, perhaps you could just work a little bit on that guitar sound or perhaps that mic technique, and then just find some avenue in to give them some balanced view. And I just want to do a shout out on that point to my very, very good friend, Brian Henderson Ward, who has the YouTube name of Jack Dog Dude, because he was the president of the Australian Songwriters Association at the time that we made that particular series. And he was my sort of partner in crime with that. So hi to Brian. And yeah, so I hope that sort of helps you, Pat, and thanks for asking that question. Pete, what are you about sort of giving opinions as well? Yeah, yeah. So that I was following along with that and nodding. You couldn't see me because it was all on Mike's camera. But yes, I was nodding on that and giving opinions is interesting because I come from the corporate world. Not surprisingly, I have a day job because I haven't always been a YouTuber and I haven't always been a Brian. You're a real YouTuber. I know, right? I don't do this full time, you know, the cat's out of the bag. But from the corporate world, it's funny because we have something in feedback that was called, back in the day, it was called the, I'm going to say turd sandwich. It was called a different word, but you can use your imagination. I won't, I'll try not to be too graphic. But yeah, it basically meant that, and I didn't really like this because it basically meant you had to make up something good and then you said the bad bit and then you had to make up something good at the end. So you started, you basically sugarcoated the bad thing with two good things. Now, I don't necessarily agree with that in terms of providing your opinion or giving feedback. I think that if everything's genuinely bad, I think to Mike's point, you find one good thing and you can actually sort of point that out. And I'm involved in a lot of groups on Facebook and Reddit and a bunch of other places and people will share a lot of music and some of it's great, some of it's good, some of it's average, some of it's less than stellar. And the ones that are less than stellar, it can be difficult to actually find something. But again, I always will. And the thing is what I find is that if you can build someone up, and this is my thing about your opinion. And this is getting, again, you said you were going to get a bit philosophical and get a little bit deeper, meaningful with all this stuff. And this is the way that I look at opinions. And it's different from what other people will say. Like I said, there are other people that are like, I am what I am, what you see is what you get. And I can't change because this is the way I am. What I actually think is that it's important to consider the other person and how they respond. So if you know the other person well, you can actually position your feedback in a way that's going to help them. Some people will need the softly, softly approach. We need to be ultra sensitive. You might need to say eight good things and one bad thing. And even then they'll get a little bit emotional about that. Other people are going to be able to take it straight up. So people, you know that you're just going to say, oh my God, your base was out of tune in that one. Your drums were off the beat and you just needed to like redo everything. And they'll go, hey, cool. I'm going to go back in the studio tomorrow and do all that. So it's about your audience. So I think that's the thing that the reason that I get frustrated with people's opinions is that they don't consider the audience. They don't consider who they're giving their opinions to. They consider themselves and the way that they want to express themselves without actually thinking about the person receiving the opinion. And opinions are a two-way thing. They're not just you putting it out to the world. And I actually wrote a song. I'm going to be a complete wanker here and talk about my own music. But I wrote a song called Your Opinion, which is all about this exact topic, which is why it's so poignant to me. And in that I talked about the fact that everyone's got their opinions. They're all just pushing it out to the world. But the key thing about an opinion is, and I'm going to take it back to free speech. I'm going to say that, yes, you have the right to say whatever you want, to feel whatever you want to be, whatever you want. You do you, be your own self, be who you want to be. But don't think that there are no consequences to that. Don't think that that's not going to have an impact on someone else. Don't think that you can say and get away with saying and doing whatever you want. Whenever you want, there's always going to be one of my favourite subjects. Well, I'm going to hand it over to you then, Mike. And we all know those people who say, well, I call a spade a spade. Yeah, you get offended. You know, it's not my fault. Well, I'm sorry to say, I think it is your fault because you're too lazy to actually put things in a constructive manner because you don't possess the skills and you're using that as an excuse. That's just baloney. I generally find with those types of people that if they're given a taste of the same medicine, they don't take it well. Anyway, I digress a little bit. Now, it's interesting, you know, this whole subject. And I realize we're sort of running out of time and there's a couple of things I wanted to touch. There's still some things I want to get to in the in the conversation here. The chat's very interesting indeed. But there's something that I raised in our sort of pre-show chat a little bit and I wanted to get to it. And that is this idea to remember that sometimes when people criticize your work and they say negative things about your work, it's because your work isn't very good. Try to get used to the idea that you will sometimes write songs that just don't make it. Sometimes your performance will not be great. Oh yeah. Sometimes I'm a vocalist and I've had to accept the fact occasionally when I've heard a playback. Oh, I'm a bit pitchy. Sometimes your writing won't be its best. Sometimes if you're like a producer like we are, your videos won't be at their best. It's okay. We all produce bad work. Sometimes we all produce work that we'd sooner forget about. Don't think that everything has to be fantastic. We are human and a part of the process of learning a craft is to make mistakes and to go down Sarong Avenue. So in a way I'm saying don't be so precious about it. You know, live with the fact that you not every day will be your best day. You know that you'll produce garbage sometimes and people will be warranted in saying, hey mate, that's terrible. Yeah, that's a very wise comment and I'm only butting in because I'm going to agree with you which I know you don't mind me doing because yeah when I agree with you that's a good thing. But no, it's funny. I read a book a while back called Hug Your Haters and it's funny because I mentioned earlier my brand. I went on a rant about people that say, hey, you took too long to get to the point. At three minutes forty he actually starts doing the thing. So at first I got super offended by those because I'm like what are you talking about? I craft my videos with perfection. I give you an amazing intro. I do all of these things. I've been doing this for three years. Why can't you tell me what to do? Then I started reading the comments and then I watched back to some of the videos and I had to come to the realization that there was a heap of truth in those comments. If you're interested in this, yeah, J-Bear, Hug Your Haters, it's an amazing book. I mentioned this because I was watching some of your early videos the other day and they were flashed. They're all good. No, no, no, no. It's a hundred percent true and the thing is though that like none exactly what you just said, none of us are perfect and you are going to make some absolute gas and you are going to make some things that you think are great at the time. We were talking about this pre-show. There's some things that you make but you think this is the best thing ever. This is stellar. This is going to be great and you put it out there in crickets and same with your music, with your videos, with whatever you're doing in life and there's other things that you're like, I'm just going to schlep this together, throw it out there and see if it sticks to the wall and people are like, Pete, that was the best thing you've ever made. I'm like, oh my god, I got a little bit of a stand. It's clearly but yeah, my point here was that I had some of those videos where they're like, Pete, get to the point. It takes till this time and then I watched the video and I'm like, oh my god, that's absolutely valid. I took way too long to get into that and again, to my earlier point, doesn't mean that I need to start my next video going, here's how you start doing a thing and then I just start doing the thing but it's valid to say that maybe you do need to think about that and maybe you don't always create the best things and maybe there's some truth in that. There's very few. This kind of brings me back to my original point but in a different way that you will get valid criticism sometimes and you sort of have to eat a bit of humble pie but don't connect it to who you are, you know, realise that just because you made a bad song or made a bad recording doesn't mean you're a terrible person and should be ashamed of yourself. It's a part of the process but here's another side to which I just want to warn the young kids about as an older fella. We tend to be focusing on opinions which are negative. Be careful of the positive opinions as well. They can also get you into some trouble, particularly if you have a bit of a run of success with your music or your productions and even, you know, whether that's out in the real world or on social media, if you start to identify too strongly with that and you start to take that on board, oh what a great person I produced this fantastic music. Everyone says so. I'm getting lots of bookings, you know, all the clubs, the landlords all want to book me and I great. Even my aunt Mabel says I'm great and she's never taken interest in me before and then of course inevitably you get that bad opinion and suddenly your whole self is under threat. So I say as much as I would advise people to take the negative opinions with a pinch of salt. I'll say the same about the positive opinions as well. Take them with a bit of a pinch of salt as well. Don't get too carried away with those. It's a bit of an old fella thing to say but not to pee on anyone's bonfire. I mean, you know, enjoy. Who doesn't like a compliment? Certainly enjoy it but think about how great that other person is to show you that kindness rather than focus on yourself. I was about to say clearly that the man with the gray hair is the wisest one. My greys are coming in and I've grown the beard out a bit so I'm looking as gray and as wise as you are right now but I know we're really short on time so I'm gonna I'm gonna probably say my final piece here and then throw it back to you as the host to give us the final words here but there's a lot of good songs that actually express this and I'm a big Ben Folds 5 fan and here's a song called There's Always Someone Cooler and this is this is a humbling thought and something that I kind of want to leave us on here tonight from my point of view which is the start of this song says smile like you've got nothing to prove no matter what you might do there's always someone out there cooler than you and goes on to say that it's hard to believe but there are people that you meet that are into something that is too big to be expressed in their clothes and they'll put up with all your poses that you throw so the point of this is that yeah don't don't get too far up your own self as you were just saying to not realize that some people are going to criticize you some people will provide their opinions and their feedback and that's okay you need to listen to some of that stuff but to your last point as well I want to reinforce that and that is that you are not your work you are you and your work are separate think of them as separate legal entities that you as a person are your own person and you can do what you want to do and you can be what you want to be yeah but your work is separate from that and if people are criticizing the work that you do you need to be really careful about how much you attach your own personal self-worth to the work that you're doing either in the office environment in your day job in your night job in your music in your videos wherever it is so a very wise man told me about 20 minutes ago exactly this point I'm going to reiterate that and finalize that by saying that here now so what do you what say you Mike what's it what's your closing I think it's a very very fine last point that you made and to those watching we're on my channel of course today and I do encourage you to subscribe to Pete's channel which is in the description because we do alternate this show from one channel to the other so next week's show will be there I do want to say a huge thank you to some of the people in the comments I'll get to some of the comments in a moment but before I do run out of time thank you to Pat Jackman thank you to battery from recording studio and sunray who's had lots and lots to say in the comments there tonight thank you so much for joining us and also of course Darren Bryant he's made a point which I just kind of want to get to in a moment very quickly and my great friend Brian Henderson Ward who goes in the name of Jack Dodd Jack Dodd dude should be able to say that by now is in their Mimo Japan thank you Mimo you're a regular on my channel thank you so much Martin Cena and also a full medal the full medal chef that's that's a cool name all those names I just wanted to touch quickly Darren Brian he said I have a channel but I've not posted anything yet I am blind and afraid of looking ridiculous so I guess he's meaning he's literally got a visual impairment there honestly I see so many inspirational stories on youtube about people who have some sort of disability or mental health issues or and and are great successes you know of course we all do have to deal with some travels at times but honestly don't think about it just go ahead and do it think about what you can offer other people that's the most important thing in creating a youtube channel in my opinion is how can you add value to people's lives and yes I agree with that I wasn't going to butt in here my but I am going to because yeah I've chatted to Darren before and yeah what I wanted to say there is that yes folks that that are visually impaired especially have a soft spot for me because there's a radical blind site who's one of my subscribers and has his own youtube channel and he is legally blind and he absolutely just rocks it like he has an outstanding youtube channel in fact I will I will send a link to Mike and he can put that in description because I think we need to we need to we need to acknowledge this and you know for me going into doing youtube again I wasn't going to mention this but because it's come up because Darren's here yeah look I'm half blind I have one functioning eye and that's something that I don't talk about a lot but coming on to youtube and putting myself out there yeah I get comments and I get comments regularly not regularly that's that's a bad thing to say but 99% of the time people are like Pete's putting out good content and he's doing this thing and whatever there are going to be people that are going to that are going to pick on you for something but you know what if I didn't have one eye I'd have something else I'd have I'd have a big head or I'd have okay I got that too I'd have no hair okay I got that too um I'm more focused upon the fact that you've got no hair I was going to say people that's why I've stopped wearing the hats I'm just like maybe maybe if I expose the shiny melon that will become less of an issue but my point being is that yeah get out there Darren do your thing and and do what you want to do because uh yeah you don't you don't need to let other people tell you what to do and uh it is it's going to be it can be daunting and it can be it can be scary and it can like whatever you do it can be but um yeah just do your thing sorry Mike I'll just one uh a couple of just things you know Vachi mentioned earlier um as a music producer recording engineer it's part of the job to comment and give you opinions with constructive criticism and that's a very very good point and something I think we may well do um a show upon upon a show on at some point is the skills involved in um recording which are not technical skills um some of the personal skills you may need to develop and last of all again um from uh jack dog dude um he's saying uh great shows uh how about featuring a live artist's point and give feedback put your communication skills to the live test of volunteer this is actually something that I've uh chatted about in the past with Brian time has gone on and I haven't got into it but I do think it's um very soon I'll have a chat to uh jack dog dude off air about this but I think that's a great idea that we can incorporate into the very show at some point um myself and Pete we're kind of new to this aren't we we're what seven episodes in something like that so um we're learning a lot in this process and and so we thought we'd just get settled before we get into that stuff but very good idea and something we're definitely going to do and I think that's going to be it for this week so thank you so much to everyone in uh in the chat there for joining us and um making yourself known and to everyone else who is watching live and uh I'm going to say to the people who are watching the replay please do leave your comments uh down below and myself and Pete will be very sure to uh get back remember if you make comments you may and you have some useful sort of advice to give you may be helping out that silent majority who don't comment and are too scared to ask a question so it's very very useful indeed to um give your tips in the comments I've got to say I didn't get to say half of what I had planned like the topic and I know you didn't as well so um we may even return to again perhaps in a few months time or something like that um but for now I'm going to say au revoir and yourself Pete I'm going to also say au revoir because we're both French there's something we didn't know