 with Sana. Welcome back to Social Friday. My name is Joy Machache. Remember that if you guys are interested in what we are about to discuss and if you guys want to interact with our guests, do feel free to do so on our social media handles. But remember to put hashtag social Friday and hashtag white in the morning and then go to our social media handles Facebook and Twitter. That's Y254 channel and then tell us how you're feeling also on Instagram. That's Y254 underscore channel. I myself am a Twitter gal. You can find me on Joy underscore Machache just on Twitter. And today we're having a wonderful edition. It's interesting. I don't think we've ever had this one. It's called Lust and Money in the entertainment industry. Lust and Money in the entertainment industry. And we have two wonderful models who are with us on set today, a male and a female. The lady is called Caroline Muldoni and the man is called Able Steven. And they're both here to kind of shed some light on the entertainment industry and their journey and how things have been for them. And also to kind of teach the young and who are watching some of the ropes and how to join this industry if they are interested. Do meet our guests, Carrie Brunisana. Thank you so much. I'm so glad to have you on set. Yes, first of all, I want to start with Mr. Steven because you have so many titles. Aren't you say the titles for yourself? But so far you told me that you're a runway model. Yeah. And what else do you do? Okay, apart from runway model, I'm also a commercial model. Styling, fashion styling. Yes. Yeah. Okay. But you hold several titles. Yeah, I also have several titles. Yes. That's in competitive modeling. Okay. So I was Mr. Taken Conversy of Kenya 2017-2018. And I am the current Mr. Autism Kenya. Mr. Autism Kenya. Yeah. So I'm the ambassador of the autistic children. Amazing. Yeah. People facing autism in Kenya. Yes. Yes. Then Mr. Sphere Kenya, second runner up. Second runner up. Yeah. Mr. Sphere Kenya. Yeah. What's Mr. Sphere Kenya about before we go to Madame Caroline? Okay. About Mr. Sphere Kenya, we mostly concentrate on helping the community. Mm-hmm. And these mostly major on the girl child. Mm-hmm. So there are these girls that either got pregnant, like by the age of 16. So we usually go, they have a shelter. The shelter is called Nest. Nest shelter. Mm-hmm. We usually go there, like, once a month to visit them, to share them food and have fun with them. Ah. And encouraging them. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. Ah, Caroline. You have been seeing you shaking your head. Yeah. Like, you're also interested in what he's doing. Very interested. Yes. Yes. He's doing some good job. Ah. Can we get to know a little bit about yourself then? Yes. Yes. You are a, actually a commercial model. Yes. Yes, I'm a commercial. A video fixer. And what else do you do? I'm an actress. And I do skits online. Actress. And you also do skits online. Yes. Speaking of skits, I saw a fairly skit of yours. I chose on your Instagram page. Okay. Where you were, well, well, a skit is a pretend. It's a pretend. Yeah. And I loved your dress. That's the first thing I thought. The first thing I did was scream when I saw your dress. I was like, oh my God, look at that skater dress. It's so cute. And it was interesting how you, you were playing this guy, you know, and he was interested in you, but he just looked too cheap for your style. He looked too cheap. Until he started walking towards a Range Rover. Yes. And all of a sudden, now you're interested in him. I mean, this is life. That's what people are doing lately. You know? You have noticed there's no, like, live off, sorry to say. Like, many people want, they just want the money and everything, how you're looking, who you are, and that's it. Like, it's really hard to find, you know, some... That's true. Real life. Yes. And I'm glad you brought that up, because actually, you know, the addition today is less than money in the entertainment industry. And now that we're even talking about most people, they just want the money. Yes. And just how, the way you even acted like that girl for a second, you were not interested in that man. Yes, you were acting. Yes. But even as you were acting, you were not interested in that man for any reason at all. Not at all. Nothing, until you saw his car. Yes. Yes. And is this how the entertainment industry tends to work? Or is this what you need to learn to pass out or to pass out? We only follow money. Money, yes. I mean, this is what is really happening. It's really out there. It's happening. And that's why we even have the sponsor things, sponsor bananas. That's why it's really happening. I mean, yeah, that's true. Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? I mean, I've experienced it as a guy. Maybe you can even say it better. You know, as a real girl, I think you shouldn't go for a sponsor. Really? As a girl? Yeah, you should be a queen yourself. Yeah. Of course, you should be a queen. That's true. That's true. You should be a queen. Yeah. So you should rely on yourself as a queen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you find that sentiment? See, it's true. You should, yes. Like for me, I do rely on myself all the time. So, yes, I totally agree with him. Jew, maybe this guy, a certain guy like this, he's working hard. For example, a sponsor has them. How old are you? I mean, okay. Definitely old enough, but the sponsor is older. You'll get like the sponsor is even like 20 years older. Yes. So this guy in 20 years time, probably he'll be there. That's true. Yeah, so. She said that point. Can we talk about this sponsor? Because immediately she dropped the word. There was an immediate reaction. The reaction used? There was an immediate reaction. It's like it holds a place in your heart. What does it mean to you? Do you have a problem with females who are running to sponsors or females who are because, you know, they just want to see money? What are two-door older men? Okay, like for me, what I believe a real girl in a far-away, they might as well just take you anywhere. Like a square driven a door. Because, like, we're not putting pressure by them on the boy child side. We're not putting pressure on them. Pressure in a girl. Share this pressure. Because, like... Share this 12 months, remove the stress. Yeah, so they're like a queen, you know. I see a girl like a queen. Yes. In a far-away them. And she takes me like... They want to see her. They want to see her. In her life. Yeah. Yeah. So a square they want to see her. Like, an aphrodisiac. Yeah. I call them simple. Yeah. I call them simple. Yeah. Do you? Higher buzz. Do you think, first of all, before we talk about whether it's possible or not to be very simple in the entertainment industry, we first talk about you as an individual. Okay. Carol, maybe you can tell us, as a video vixen, what are some of the challenges you've experienced coming into the video vixen world? Is it something you've enjoyed? I'm sure you do enjoy it, which is why you do it. Yeah, that's why I do it. Yes, of course. It means you do enjoy it. Yeah. But maybe one... Especially when it comes to being a video vixen, because when we're talking about models, we'll talk about both of you. Yes. Yes, so video vixening. Being a video vixen, it's quite... It's interesting, yes, definitely, because you're doing something you love. It's such a flashy world. It is, man. But then it is a bit challenging. One, clothes, you know? Ah. Of course, you have to have quite a lot of wardrobe. Your wardrobe needs to be huge. And you have to go all out. You have to be everywhere. Like, you have African prints, you know? You have casual looks. You have official looks, because you never know what it is and tells. You never know what it asks you to. You know, this time you're doing this. Yeah. So, one. And then, secondly, the men out there. Oh, my God. Yes. Somebody wants to sleep with you, so you can be in a video, you know? It's just... And then, at times, we're not even... You know, you're not even paid, you know? Yes. The payment just goes... I hear it's a challenge in here. It's a challenge. It's a very big challenge, you know? You're expecting your payment, and then maybe just comes the half of it. The half of it, then you just go. And then after that, that's it. That's it. You call them. They're not even picking up. They just go. They just go quiet. They just go quiet. They just go here. And they go with their money. And they go with their money. Yes. And then they have the nerve on top of that to come and tell you if you want it. If you have slept with me. Such things. Such things are real happening. Such things are happening. They are happening out there. Wow. But, you know, I tell people, you just have to be yourself. Yes. You know, whatever you deserve will come. Yeah. You definitely come. You know, just as good for it. Yes. Tell him, you know what good? I can do this, but I'm really hoping I can do this. So, yes. Just wait. Just wait for your turn. Whatever is yours will be. Whatever is yours will come. If it's not yours, let it slide. Let it slide. Don't be sleeping with people for something. Exactly. For that it will come. Because it might not be yours. It might not even be yours. Or might not even do well. Yes. But when it comes from up there, definitely it goes well. Yeah. I do love your look today. Absolutely. From head to toe. From your beret to your sunnies. Oh my God. Every single thing that you want. Even your shoes. Oh my God. Absolutely. Everything. And you, your suit looks immaculate as well. Thank you. Now that we have come from video vixen in the world, you're not a video vixen. But at this moment you are holding several titles, especially the Mr. Technical Kenya one. Now both of you are models. Yeah. When it comes to modeling, is such a story similar in the modeling sphere? Yeah, like the story similar. For men? Yeah. No. Okay. I do support all the sides. Okay. The story similar. What I always say is that it's good to be you. You know. And to know what you want in the industry. Yes. Because like for me, it's passion that driven me to modeling. Yes. Since I was a kid, let's say something that we ate there. I could spend most of my time watching fashion TV and stuff. So when I do modeling, I do it like a passion. Yeah. Like I don't need someone to pay, like someone to pay me. Mm-hmm. You know that too? Because something that I like. Something you like doing. Yeah. So they are challenges for them. Mm-hmm. Like especially on the female models, they do face a lot in the industry. Mm-hmm. And it totally sad to me, like a girl, like an abandoned girl to accept what the manager, the organizer and the manager, do a particular job. Mm-hmm. So that's what I say, be yourself. Like come as you make, as you make. Mm-hmm. I could just, like, you put as your respect to gain something that it has an idea when to tell me at the end. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. And I'm glad you brought that up because you said you've, something interesting I feel like I need to let the public know. Mm-hmm. He has opened up something called The Enemy. It's a mental health club. Mental health club called The Enemy that focuses on helping the youth through guidance and counseling so that they can make it through various things like depression and hard times like trauma and PTSD and all other sorts of things. Yes. Yes. Okay. And, you know, now that you've talked about girls letting their value go down low like that, do you find that sometimes maybe, oh, you'd want a tough tapas asana to the point where when they don't get it, they literally get depressed? Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I feel like that's the problem. Yeah. But usually you get depressed because you have no money. Yeah. Like you feel like it's the end of your life. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes. It's true. It's true. Yeah, that's why we came up with the club, The Enemy. Enemy. Yeah. Okay. You know, most of the youths nowadays... Hold on. Why is it called The Enemy? The Enemy, like in a manisha, it opened up what's inside. Yeah. We see actually condoning like it's equal. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so that's why we came, we gave it the name, The Enemy to help the students, the youths. Mm-hmm. Because when it's a part of like most youths who are now one in campuses and stuff. So, like a model, my main aim was to serve the community through my title. Mm-hmm. So, we came up with The Enemy to help the students in guiding them, cancel them, help them with their problems. Like if a student has financial issues, we can talk like ambassadors of the universities and be able to raise something to to help him or her. Mm-hmm. And also to advise him or her on how to hustle and other stuff, so that it's going to depend on your parents. You know, when you depend on your parents, at times, it's true. And you have to survive. So, we came up with like a youth, like otherwise, we came up with a young girl. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so that's why we came up with The Club. Yeah. To help the youths. Yeah. So, sometimes I feel like, yeah, now this topic is so prevalent what we're talking about last time money in the entertainment industry. And you know, right now, it's like almost everyone wants to be in the entertainment industry. Yeah. Almost everybody, even the young, young people, especially socialites, they would like to, I don't know, I don't know why. Why did this thing even come from like this? But like, come to Anamka to one day and they decide that their dream in life has their dream. They have no other thing they're thinking about in Anamka. And sometimes there can be something very difficult to achieve. Yeah. And so, you know, they, of course, you have to come across sponsors so that they can introduce you to, you know, the politicians and after you've been introduced to politicians, now you become a socialite, you know. Yeah. So it's a shady road. It's a shady road. But maybe I can ask Caroline, how can we avoid, as ladies, how can we avoid this? Like when we are being, let's say, let's say I'm going for a job as a model and I'm told, you know, yeah, by the way, you're going to have to give something up a little bit, you know, for this to happen. Yeah. So this is what I always tell people. Yes. When you're going for that audition, just know there are two options. You can either get it or miss it. Okay. You know, be ready for that, be ready for that rejection. If you're ready for the job, wait for the next one and then you're going to get it. Instead of, you know, going there and thinking, you know, what the easy way out is, sleeping with this guy and then, I mean, I must get it. Because when you go with that idea, I must get it. Now that's when you have no option and you have to do it. But just accept, you know what, I might get it, I might not. So then that's it. Go back home, leave it off. And you're good. You don't have to make wrong decisions. Yes. You want it and trust me, you will get it. Yeah. Yeah, just be there. At your own time. You know, at your own time, you will get it. That's what I always tell people. That's what you tell people. All the time. And something I've really always wanted and wanted to know, do you feel like, and both of you can answer, you can start and then you can also give your, do you feel like the entertainment industry is built for everybody? Because like we said, literally everybody wants to be in it. But is everybody willing to feed all of us? Oh, it's a big one. Yeah, it's a big one though. It's a big industry, but it breaks some people. It ruins some people. It ruins some people. In Africa, someone becomes something else. Yeah, exactly. And they've removed one CD and we've never heard from them again. From them again. Yeah. Because of the pressure they couldn't handle. You spoke about pressure a little bit. Maybe we can discuss pressure or maybe we can just continue to discuss if really, if this is meant for you to chill, you don't go, you say. Okay, so about the entertainment industry, what I can say is that if you feel like you want to be there, then you should know what drive you to to get into the industry. And there's no shortcut by the entertainment industry. There's no shortcut. Yeah. As I told you yesterday, you work for what you want in the industry. Right. Yeah, there's no shortcut. There's no shortcut. No shortcut. This time, this time. But the next time there's a shortcut. Like after you by the time there's a shortcut let's say you're on a billboard as a commercial model, you now let's say on the girl part. So. You went and sleepy the organizer. Yeah. After that, you came to billboard. Yeah. project to you. The And there's no one to help you, but at the moment you are a lawyer. So you have just to know what you want in your life, in the industry mostly, so that you can work towards it. No matter how time it takes, but at the end it achieves. At the end it achieves. Yeah. Okay. It should come from deep within, you know. It should come from deep within. Yes. It's just something you just wake up in, you know, like that, you know. That's true. It should just come from deep within. Yeah. And also something like I should, because we don't have much time, we need to jump into our challenge because it's a social Friday. Even our viewers might be thinking, this is so serious. There's discussion today. But no, we're going to loosen up in just a few minutes. Do stay tuned in. Lakini, something important I feel like saying, I feel, if you do feel like you need to be in this industry, first of all, there is no shortcut. And if you feel like you want to use a shortcut, the industry is probably not for you because know that that shortcut will come and bite you. And we have come to land like, I'd rather start from the bottom and make it up to the top. Because sometimes in a shortcut, they're there, and people take them. Like just there, you know, you're chilling one day, watching the news, and out of nowhere, there's a new news anchor, you're like, I didn't see you reporting, I've not seen you doing anything in the field, like where are you and who are you? Well, no, no, there are shortcuts. Either you know somebody or you do something. So, yeah, Lakini here want to encourage our youths to stay on the right path and don't take shortcuts. Yes. Maybe if you can just, in those last three minutes, one by one, we'll start with you, Caroline. I want you to say something to our young people about if you are in this industry, interested in staying in this industry, don't do the shortcuts. The shortcuts do come to bite you in the back. Yeah, they do. So, yeah. Okay, so guys, this is what I always say. Please do not use it at all at all. Go for auditions, go for the first audition, you know, you have to go to so many. You'll find out that someone who is at the top of the ring, somebody will kick their dress. You'll find out maybe she has gone to so many auditions. You know, go to so many of them. One will come that is just meant for you, you know. The right time will come because, you know, if you just do something, maybe pay some money. Oh, something else. Never pay some money for a gig. Do not. People out here also con men. I was conned once. Yes, you were conned. I was conned. So, people out there con men, just be careful, don't give out your body. Oh my God, that is losing so much respect. Then you'll find out, and then our industry is very small. You have to sleep with somebody, get some role. Yes. And then you'll find somebody else you are wishing to work with in the same place. You get. Oh my God. So, it's very even hard. It's so awkward. It's so awkward and it's very hard to stand, you know. Now it's even very hard to approach the other one. Yes. It's very hard. So just don't use the shortcuts. Go for auditions. Auditions are all over. Associate yourself with the right people. You know, who can show you where the auditions are. Exactly because that's what I've done all the time. Associate yourself with people. With the right people. Join them. Network properly. Network, exactly. That's the word. I think the great way to make things is network properly. It's network, exactly. And don't accept that it will just come. It takes time. Like me too, I'm not even where I'm supposed to be. You know, I want to be at the top. I'm not yet there. So it takes time. Be patient. Be patient. You can just, it doesn't happen overnight. You just don't wake up and then you're up there. No, you have to come out from, you know, down here, going. Expecting there's no money actually. Until maybe you're a brand or something. Because yeah, it doesn't just come with the money. You have to be patient. Use your own money instead. Just follow the path. Just know what I'm supposed to do to get there. But sleeping with people, guys, it's not an option. Paying money, it's not an option. Exactly. I mean, that's all I have to say. That's amazing. And unfortunately, we do have to go on a break. After the break, I will allow Mr. Able to come in and give his maoni about this particular thing before we even start the challenge. Let's go on a break.