 How and where is everybody else? You want to just check in briefly? Bill Surviving at the house Yesterday Multnomah County the county were in Portland Declared phase one reopening starts shortly. So yeah, even as Oregon is spiking so Don't know. I do see that in Texas where the governor made a rule that the cities can't make any rules about you know, wearing masks It's just completely nuts Completely nuts Shay, how are you today? Good morning. I'm okay. It's still a bit groggy waking up But here in fall spring still we finally have gotten over a Period of what has been known as Junuary It's just been pouring rain. So really excited now to have some Sunshine Had a weird spring. Yeah, we've been like it's been all rain. Yeah on the West Coast. I think all of BC had just Downpour and I was asking my dad who lives in the interior when does cherry season start and he said well It's late this year because we've had so much wetness. So we're looking forward to the harvest, you know, awesome It's gonna be beautiful. Just a quick question. Are we gonna be here for an hour or two hours today? I have to make another phone call at some point So just I had set us for an hour and I'm happy to hang out after and we can switch to my zoom if we want but I've set it for an hour so we can sort of catch up and figure out what we'd like to do And if anybody wants to spill over I'm I'm here. So, okay, great. Thank you. Well, thanks for the question Charles, how's everything? It's good. I'm trying to get some coffee together and get get in front of my map in a minute, but Mostly good Yeah, plenty of turbulence sort of all around but mostly super amazing awesome exciting project development stuff and I'm here in Zurich, Switzerland by the way for those who don't know me. I think it's great to meet those of you I've been met and It's weird. It's it's it's back to normal mostly which is you know a fallacy and a forest and a fantasy and I do see a few masks out and about Including mine and especially when I'm going inside someplace, but Yeah, yeah, I don't know I don't want to To go into that now, but I have deep mixed feelings about all that and I've been bunkered down largely I came out of the cave sort of last week a bit and Yeah, yeah, but yeah keeping keeping busy and inspired for sure glad to be here I think maybe ambivalence is the word of the month It's like yeah, opening but closing but opening the closing and six months from now We'll know whether whether and how you know that worked and what the effects were but Well, yeah, those that those that are more in the know that I'm listening to are Really seeing the second wave like shadowing this one or dwarfing it rather and a quick quick technical admin question about the The form and the Google group. I feel that from twice actually I wrote you But I'm just curious about the Google group because I haven't seen it and been able to find it I will go check because I think I'm not getting alerts when anybody fills out the form Which is bad form on my form or something like that Yeah, I wanted to make sure I'm in there exactly. I had me too me too. So I you have just reminded me good check Ken house house things in your in your lovely backyard Things are lovely in my will be back here. Thanks for asking I'm here in centerfelling out here in my garden as you can see the Sun is starting to peek over the house here Although it'll be a couple hours for it. It's the peaks for all being in the shade I just completed working for the US Census that wound down yesterday And I get paid for three weeks to go walk around in Point Reyes and Inverness Park and Stints in Beach and the lead. Wow, it's really wonderful to be out in West Marin We kept social distance. I didn't come within 10 feet of anybody, you know, I just was not interviewing people as basically updating the addresses and leaving questionnaires I'm pretty distressed by what I'm seeing here in California people were not wearing masks The restaurants on 4th Street and Centerfeller opening and people were sitting outside and congregating without masks and without proper distancing I read yesterday the Montgomery, Alabama City Council Despite several doctors saying, you know, our beds are full our ICUs are 96% 90% of those people are black people Please wear a mask past this ordinance the council voted to not pass an ordinance to wear masks with one of the Council members saying just because there's a pandemic doesn't mean we surrender our constitutional rights So, you know, and Alabama just recorded like 400 new cases in one day. So it's there's a craziness here It's an it's a sorority, you know, it's like, yeah I For the last three months, I've been walking around with a mask on every time I got in public looking at all these people with masks going This is a Philip K. Dick novel and now people are like, I'm taking the mask off I don't care whether the covid's done or not. So I Guess it's natural selection and action and and I really don't feel good in wishing harm on people I don't want people to get sick and die and yet if they don't want to wear masks, that's what's gonna happen So I don't know I'm in a one of those weird places of how to be with this in a compassionate way without getting too angry Because people are putting everyone else at risk. It's it's a big conundrum for me You don't know when you're interacting with somebody who did something stupid yesterday So right my wife's office has been starting to go back and then they found out that one of the women that she works with Who had been in the office for the previous couple days? You know it was connected have been out to a bar with somebody who was then you know Diagnosed and so, you know, all of a sudden everybody in the office is worrying about whether they're a you know Third-level contact or something and you know, so you don't know that people are being that stupid, you know When you're sitting near them someplace You should do just an LL airlines anybody ever flown on LL But at the airport when you check in you're basically grilled When you're standing in line You're basically grilled by somebody who knows knows better and and they walk through the whole story of what your travels are And what's going on who you know, what's up to make sure it all kind of pieces together They're not they're not doing anything intrusive and they're not waterboarding you But boy are they trying hard to make sure that you're that you've got a really excellent reason to be boarding that flight And so here it's like maybe coming back to work. We should do that to everybody You know like to discover if they're just just being clumsy and stupid Because how do you tell otherwise? Just just to just to throw in a number that flew by my screen yesterday I don't know what the source but apparently in state of California the the mortality rate is still now I guess from COVID. I think that was the point is around 72 or 3 a day So people dying yeah, yeah, and yeah, it's it's messy Hamilton you want to check in? Yeah Oh, Ken, did you have something else to say? Just one last point that I know thing I read there's a congressman I didn't read the article so I don't know who was who said the good news is that that COVID may only kill 3.4% of the population the US 321 million people is 11 million people at 3.4 Yeah, and we only got 1.55 of percent 1.55 million of Americans killed in all wars since American Revolution So this is a big win for us to only lose 11 million people. I'm tell me what planet I am living on Yeah, no, we're just from Philip K. Dick to some other more dystopian. Yeah, exactly planet. No fact planet. No facts Let me let me just let me just add as a background note that one of the reasons that the open global mind project Exists is to see that the post fact post truth era is not is is only like a four-year digression not a 200 year era because because it's bless you because it's very possible It's very possible that this lasts a really long time. This is being engineered architected It's being driven and you're seeing the effects. You're just, you know It's overcoming logic and and we're in planet. No fact. Sorry Hamilton. You're gonna check in Hi, everybody So not to be an upper here I'll self it It's so I turned 50 yesterday And yes, thank you. Thank you since I couldn't have a party I'm just gonna tell everybody that and make you to say happy birthday to me. So thank you for that And I'm sort of peeking. I really have to say like I think about this year. I met Jerry I met you in this year Hank. I met you in this year, you know, Peter I've had a year's worth of amazing conversations with you picking up on our friendship and like My work is really interesting. Like I just I don't know I'd like I'm having a reconnaissance here as I said to my wife the other day And I'm loving it. So I'm so happy to be here and it's I'm not it's not lost on me I'm not blindly walking out the world with like it's like it's against this backdrop It's brought into great relief where you fit where the world is falling apart around us and we live on Planet no fact, right? It's like Are we what is what that what is that world out there? I mean, it's just it's like and how do you like tell you? What are your kids and your what? I mean, how do you tell them to make sense of this? It's really interesting. It's like It's I'm like peaking and everything I believe is being challenged in a way that it's never been before So I like feel very I don't know. I feel very alive right now, which is interesting. So I'm very glad to get to share Share this moment with you guys as well Because you're contributing to it. Yeah, absolutely. That's awesome I mean the world is melting but when it melts it gets to reform. Yeah somewhere, right? Yeah, and And it could reform in better ways one of the one of the big questions in the back of my head right now It's are we might we tip into much better systems for how to run the world because of this And I'm trying to finish writing a piece about exactly that Hank yeah, I mean, I think I I share a lot of the same sentiments as as you guys You know, it was funny today specifically talking about the Virus stuff I got two separate notifications one of them was like New York City is on track to continue opening and then the second one was like We need to shut down again, and I'm like, okay, right one second. I'm here and another second I'm here, but so I had that moment of frustration, but Anyway, otherwise, you know, I think Yeah, I It has been interesting to see some glimpses of like true conversation come out of a lot of this which has been great And see like just people kind of opening their eyes to test some other how we're actually having conversations about, you know Whether it be the virus whether it be any of the the racial stuff that came up and actually What was it this whole planet? No facts thing somebody I was in a breakout session yesterday, and I'll respect the confidentiality of the session, but One of the guys made an interesting comment that races of the act of like Propagating racism has become an art And it made me think of I mean, yeah sure we can we can look at like racism and say that too, but we can also look at just new maybe not new spin, but information spin in general, right becoming an art and I don't know I've just I've been chewing on that for the past 12 hours and I was talking about kind of this whole spin cycle and who's doing what and who's yelling what and saying certain things a certain way to See who agrees or disagrees or whatever is is anyway just interesting. So so that's my Semi-distorted thoughts for the morning. Thanks. Thanks. And Bill just posted about shit-posting, which is like becoming a becoming a fine arc Peter van has how's life in Belgium? Doing great. I think I'm more or less in the Same high skies as a ham. It's not my birthday, but still I Have been for the last couple of weeks really immersing myself in the work of Anne Pendleton Which is highly inspirational I had a chat with a very quick chat with Anne Before the call she was going to try to join but not sure So And I got her okay to make a proposal well proposal is not the right word to suggest to this group That we do something with something that Anne said in the previous call that we may have a little bit missed And that was about A Your brain and the open global mind is a very good way for visualizing and seeing What is and what has been? But as long as we are not Finding a way how to see what's coming or what what could emerge So seeing in the future Then we miss an opportunity of having of taking agency agency in the sense of having Acting with impacting the world So I'm highly inspired by her work and so our proposal is that we offer to do something around Helping GM creating a system of action Which is one of the meta tools that is described in one of the books Which means getting clarity on vision Vehicle concept mechanism and network of partners Which will help define not only what Is but also seeing what what could emerge from this and how we can design for it Not only have responses That are like heuristic responses to You're getting used to it and it's becoming a tacit form of collection I know you can do better than that you can design for specific outcomes and I would like that We start in something like that around OGM how can we design for specific outcomes and not only Looking at what the history tells us And the links that are in the brain which are all about What was and is Peter Heidi Heidi Inspired alive kicking yeah writing making music making artwork writing drawing I'm building my trying to build in the online museum Because I tried to have in my first art exhibition somewhere and may but for obvious reasons could not take place So I'm playing around with online museum software Where you can create a Virtual space and you can put your paintings and your videos and your sculptures in that space and It's fun I'm having fun Peter. Can I can I take this opportunity to talk about so Peter? and I've been talking about some of this and Peter came up with this idea of We've been talking about this workshop idea Yeah, and and we didn't love the word and he and the Peter as you always do you like it was right in front of us all along this idea of a studio And I was telling Hank and Jerry about this idea of an OGM studio session with Anne or with with anyone really right but these of You know this place of study this place of study and around all the stuff that you just talked about so I don't know I've been saying that a lot. I'm very excited. There is another I discovered in since we've last talked There is another piece of great writing by Anne which is called four plus one studio And she's describing four types of studio Where the first type is the sort of studio that is Directed really by the architect who has a certain vision and trace all his students to adhere to that vision up to the plus one studio Which is about what we have been discussing here seeing and seeing what comes and seeing designing for emergence through gameplay Strategic gameplay strategic game design. So it's so rich I would like to do something with That's That sounds really awesome. It sounds like a great OGM project and And Let's jump into that as we sort of jump into the conversation Um, how are you Jerry of that? I'm in Portland where Similar to shake as we're in the same climate zone June up until Yeah, the day before yesterday was like a rainy mass just foggy cloudy rainy wet the whole time Which is unusual Exactly And and it's turned really beautiful the next week is supposed to be gorgeous and I think we might actually be in summer And unfortunately in a couple days and three days is to me the saddest day of the year Which is the longest day of the year because I love I love the run-up to the longest day. I love the days getting longer And then and then it reverses. I'm like, ah darn it. So that's coming up, but but in a really good place Um, yeah, we April April's giving a virtual speech soon and on monday We recorded it in a studio on a green screen and stuff like that with people who know better than we do like cameras and all that stuff So so that's done and kind of in the bag and there's still pieces of it that have to happen But that felt like a great a great thing to pull off. So Uh, so suddenly april doesn't have to like rehearse a speech twice a day for a while And she was sort of feeling liberated and looking around going wait a minute. What does this mean? um So so stuff like that and then and then the texture of what we're talking about here really feels fruitful and timely and Exciting so i'm i'm kind of him like like you i'm in a place where It feels like so many so many threads of life are coming together in a really interesting way At a great moment with great humans Like you all so so that make make me feel good Thank you. Um, and the place I wanted to take us into the call lightly in the sense of Floating some ideas for things that we could assemble around right now to do together That would make sense for ogm and peter van just put a new and really interesting one In in the pond which I which I love And sort of what two other ones that i'll just mention right now And then i'd love to just hear what what everybody also feels like one of them is I'd like to design for the website and for our process This sorting hat analogy the idea of how to how do we make how do we create a really nice path? So that somebody coming in as a newbie to ogm at some point goes Oh Here are the kinds of sort of roles people play in this community of practice How do I find my way into being that and then how do I how is the rest of this thing? sort of gently organized so that they can find their way to The place where they're working on something that they're really interested in Whether it be a sort of this the sense making project That peter just described the system of action whether it be something else, you know one of these other sub projects So what what does a sorting hat look like? Which involves also Picking up and defining better what what are the kind of initial roles that we want to describe here? And how do they fit together? And then the second thing was something that I think would just illustrate a little bit of of what ogm is about I'd love to have a a couple hour kind of visualization Jam session where I show up with my brain because that's the thing I've been nourishing for so long But several people show up with other tools And we talk about the same exact topic and either we've prepped for it And everybody's had a chance to go do something around the topic or we live Sort of sheer screens back and forth and then we compare notes at the end of it And I you know, I've got three or four tools in mind I would love to invite everybody in because I think that we'll learn a lot ourselves just from the contrast and the similarities between the different tools and partly what I'm trying to do is get us to step back and think about How does discourse change when you can see and manifest and record and share The thing you're talking about what what are the effects and and so far ogm is fueled by my amateur Personal beliefs about this like like I'm on fire that that we don't have a shared memory in that and and I believe that That we're making stupider decisions as humans like walking out without masks Because we have no shared backboard no shared, uh, you know chalkboard no shared place where we can go. Hey look These couple studies, you know Who knows what happens 10 years from now and how we look back on this But these couple studies say that if everybody everybody everybody wears masks the replication just draw just plummets The artifact or you know are not plunges And so can we just all maybe agree to do that? And if not, can we figure out playful interesting ways To convince other people to do that. So not just the decision making but the change making Right. Um, so may in bogota. Mayor antanas mokos who got pretty famous is a real strange dude. Um, he basically, uh unemployed most of the traffic police because there were traffic jams all over bogota And then he re-employed some of them as mimes And he basically had troops of mimes who would go stand in traffic And and they would if there were jaywalkers who were making a mess of things They would they would walk behind the jaywalkers kind of making fun of them But they were trying to draw attention in a humorous way to how poor labeled with uh citizens were driving and walking and Sort of using uh the technology of moving around in vehicles And it worked like like people started thinking more about being more mindful about how they Moved around traffic got better Then they did a whole bunch of other really innovative things like the cclobias Which is they installed a whole bunch of bike paths through ever throughout and and transform the city but But i'm really interested in in sort of hacking the system not through mere logic and god wasn't just a great idea But rather um social hacks, uh fun projects Letting people have a sense of agency again kind of what what peter was describing about and pendleton julian's approach, which is Like we're we're kind of dumb consumers at the end of a stick now with very little sense of agency and large thorny wicked problems like pandemics plus social unrest That is basically poking open this festering wound That has been in at least american society forever Um, we need creative solutions for for how to get through all this So so i think that's a really nice match with what open global mind is meant to be And i'd love to hear what any of those things mean to any of you which parts of this are interesting to you And then riff on this because let's let's put a couple other things on the table that sound You know if some part of this conversation has resonated with something you've wanted to do for a really long time and feel strongly about Well, let's throw it in the mix because I bet we can find some other people to come join us and And and just as a brief uh sort of process note It looks like this 7 a.m. Call time will work. Okay. Che you didn't mind too much getting up really early ken Like it was okay So what i'd like to do is hold this time and repeat the you know replicate this this call time out And then I will be better about getting advanced notice out. I was terrible about it for this call. I apologize But I will and then and then the other thing I'd love us to do is to start bringing people into the conversation who Exactly Who would love to be part of this thing and go from there. So let me let me go quiet for a second and see anybody's thoughts on any part of that what has what has energy or Or juice for people around this I guess to the the mapping jam sessions I'm into that It's a little a little advanced notice so we can plan and go longer if we can That sounds great. Any thoughts about how to organize it or what tools to invite in or whatever I think um, well my default as somebody, you know, is x-mind which is a mind mapping tool It's not specifically collaborative. Um, I am sort of at the doorway of using Miro. I have some Close friends of ours that are really into Miro these days. So that's probably a natural one with a lot of fun affordances and Collab features. So There's a couple that come to mind I'm a kumu wannabe. So I don't know that's something else we can get into potentially But I haven't done it myself. Yeah Uh like me I'd be interested in showing up at the beginning and doing some brain warm-ups some somatic experiential stuff that would you know, you don't go out for a run by starting, you know With a sprint right out your door you do a little bit of warm-ups, right? And I find people diving into conversations like hey, you know, let's just talk about this really big thing without taking time to put themselves in a space of Of flow and creativity. So I'd be happy to contribute that That sounds awesome. And and I'd like to bake more of the somatic kinds of exercises that you've Done uh can into ogm process into what we do and how we do it. That'd be that'd be awesome. Um as well as Respecting where we are and who we are and you know, if you've ever attended a meeting in australia, new zealand They always start by saying, you know, we we are on the territory on the lands of These peoples and sort of honor them. Uh tomorrow is juneteenth Uh, which I would love to have as a holiday instead of columbus day, for example Um, but just uh noting Being mindful of our place and space in time in different ways Um, and we can we can kind of figure out how that goes as we go But but sometimes sometimes small things make larger differences over time Go ahead Ken One other tool that comes to mind. Um, charles, you may know about this. Um Um Lucas choppy from the national coalition for dialogue duration has a tool called kiko chat Which actually if you do the work up front lets you set up Breakout rooms and people can choose them a break out room So you can run a virtual open space or virtual world cafe Without the host having to specifically put people in rooms and people can leave and go to other rooms So if we had a large group and that was something that wanted to happen I don't happen to have a kiko chat Account, but I'm sure we could work that out. So I'll just put that out as a possible tool for some potential Day that we get together And lucas is a friend and I've had several conversations with him about this kiko chat Enables the law of two feet in zoom, for example Law of two feet comes from open space process Where anybody can move to any breakout room and you can't do that in zoom breakouts So he's created a way to basically attach a document to every breakout room And then allow people to move themselves between the rooms So it facilitates that and there's a bunch of videos online now He's been recording and sharing different groups using kiko chat to have different kinds of meetings It's a it's a lovely thing. So I think it's a it's a fabulous idea to have an One or more many ogm meetings Hosted with kiko chat that'd be great Just so I know that's a sort of spiritual partner of kiko lab Which is a different spelling, but we sort of resonate with the the name, but we didn't check it out yet Very cool other thoughts other other Shea, what's going through your brain? I'm curious I I can see I can see you working the Constellations of things that have gone through that you're interested in that like I feel like i'm watching that process In the little tiny window here If I if I may ask yeah, no, no, thank you Jerry Um, I I was hesitant to say anything because it's slightly off the topic, but it was something that was triggered Um a little bit earlier on and then you just said it again you know small things can make a big difference and you know we're having this conversation globally and we had touched on it a bit last time around diversity and um I think that um, I think it's amazing to talk about visual visualization and um, you know how to tease out these ideas And thoughts and things and I and I also think and I'm I don't have the answer but if someone knows processes or Structures or frameworks for us to use to tease out each other's diversity because um, you know even in the conversation about Covid you know that we were just having having People have different opinions and ideas and there are different things like I live in a country And let alone a little island that's been barely affected by this right and so I see a lot of paranoia and trauma and things but that's also because Um of the the history that people have, you know, they're diverse history with different things in this case Right, my dad was working in a hospital during SARS So I also have a different perspective on that that's you know, diverse from some other people Right and so coming back to you know, the actual definition of diversity In the way that we've been talking about it lately How do we start to tease out each other's diversity such that we are more understanding in our conversations? you know, um And then, you know, we're here and of course, I'm the only woman and you're all white men You know, we I don't think I need to say that right but we're aware of that, you know and um We're so how are we bringing that in you know and and getting more voices into as we're trying to sense make In a visual way or in a you know way where people can break out and have multiple conversations. That's just what's going through my head It's not really a fully formed thought But you know, that's that's kind of where I was at with it And I don't think that's tangential at all. I think that's top dead center for for what we're up to Absolutely No doubt in my mind And so I let's let's correct for that in in part in part part of the invitation to the first call Was uh was said that hey if you're if you're in the same demographic as me um part of the pale patriarchal penis people I I asked that you invite somebody or think about who else you would invite that doesn't doesn't fit that description And we haven't done that very well So I would so I would love to to to do that more and I also would like to exactly the four piece And I would love to Invite in groups and serve be of service to groups that are doing some of the diversity work And right now since black lives matters is really hot and also It's not just black lives matters But indigenous ways and a whole bunch of communities who've been marginalized for so long Their agenda is now top dead center One of the things I'd love to do is to use our nascent barely flourishing powers to tell their stories Because right this minute if you're a personal of color or indigenous You have no particularly good reason to come into a discussion about um technical aspects of memory and how to do discourse and whatever There's there's really urgent things to do on you know on the ground And so if we can be of help in this moment on those things I think it focuses our efforts Really nicely around something that matters a ton in the world And it creates a reason and an opening to invite people collaborators in From communities that have big concerns right now So if anybody wants to elaborate on that or offer suggestions for how to go about that Oh, Mr. Cotter. Mr. Cotter, um, please Arnold No, I um I I just love that and I just um I guess I in our conversations and and jerry hank and I have been having this longer I I am increasingly just moving away from what the tool is and to like just the applications of this and Like one of the things that really like this the studio sessions with ann is this amazing, right? And I think we could You could either find problems that need to be solved and then find the expertise to attack that problem Or you can just find an expertise and just push it out into the world and help people apply it to their lives Right, so that's amazing And I think we could do that right now like we don't need a tool to do that, right? I also think about The ogm religion for lack of a better word and sorry if that's a third real word But like this is my mindset there's like belief of thinking better being critical thinkers of of of having agency right of all of that and And diversity shea and and all of that and like Like we can start impacting that now, right? I don't think we need technology I mean just the fact that we're on this call talking about we have all this expertise like we could just get this out into the world And I think about this idea of a foundation And if I could share a quick example, so my sister is an art teacher in Kansas City And she was like she's feeling this very much so because she works with poor kids and all of this That's going on and she's like I want to do something. I know art. I'm going to go do something So she applied for this grant and she's teaching a virtual class on portraits in history Where she's teaching people to draw portraits of people that they You know famous people that they role model, right? And why and how they could be by and so it's but using art as a as a vocabulary to express themselves and Create hope whatever so so we could do that, right? I mean ken you could go into We could through technology reach out to People who need it and talk about somatic exercises talk about how to use your brain Right, we could teach people how to be critical thinkers Um, Peter you could talk. I mean, you know design is design is inquiry all that and stuff like we have so much where I think like we don't really need a technology. We need a purpose behind it and just like, you know Finding ways and just trying stuff. So I get on my soapbox about that and then I think the technology um, I mean could it could it be the ones do we need to build anything like Uh, Miro and Kiko and Jerry your brain and google docs You know, like what is the the minimum thread we need to pull this all together so that we can go out and just start impacting things um So I guess blah blah blah i'm much more interested in looking for applications of impact because I think it will just It will make the other stuff make sense behind the scenes because it already exists. It's all there You know, it's all there. It's all there's not very connected. It's not very linked and useful in ways that that it could be But it's a lot of this exists Um, the all that linking would make it so much easier. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, I I really like where we are just to add a slightly tongue-in-cheek, but slightly serious digression Um, I I I have two little baby websites and I own the that remains foobarism.com and up keto.com Let me explain them. Um, does everybody know what foobar is? So, um foobar dates back apparently to world war one ish and it's you know, how's the situation? Oh, it's foobar. What's foobar? It's fucked up beyond all recognition So so that that came out, but then foo.bar Became a programmer's shorthand for a temporary file name So if you're busy writing a program, you want, you know Say well, we need a file here where you call it like something like foo.bar Picking up on it's sort of an homage to the first foobar. So I had this idea What what what would a placeholder religion look like? If we had to create our own spiritual system, whatever you want to call it and you know, I think everybody knows Scientology was invented as a bar bet L. Ron Hubbard like one a bar bet that he could start a religion and he wrote Dianetics and all that and like there are people who believe in this thing Not not the most high functional religion in the world But but but what if we could create a belief system? What would be in it? So these exist and could be a side project if we felt like doing it and It's intentionally tongue-in-cheek because you can't do something like this seriously But I think it's a serious conversation to have And then separately at a slightly different timing My sport is iKeto and so I coined up keto Which is uses the the ideas of iKeto, which is blending with seeing what energies are in the environment blending with them In order to create peace is sort of the intention of iKeto and up is from upward spiral or uplift and Years ago arthur brach sent me a video about a guy who was walking around the hillsides of northern california with a Trowel just a hand trowel and he was repairing the hillsides paul craful or cruffle I think is his name And he was repairing the hillsides and he took pictures that were separated by like a decade and he showed The same little hillside that at one point had a crevasse and was kind of brown And then he comes back and it's green and there's a verdant valley below it And he was using these principles of up what he called it upward spiral Which is tiny gestures over time That that really improved the neighborhood and then later I ran into a documentary about the the lo's plateau in china Which is an area the size of belgium that was this that was basically a dust bowl Because they had they had overgrazed they had destroyed the fertility of the place and over a couple decades using villagers at a much larger scale They repaired that whole area and turned it into a green a green and really useful part of china again So re-greening and to me those two stories are the same story just the different scales and it's all about uplift So long story shorter Up keto is meant to be what would a martial art or a practice look like Where its intention is that everything that everybody touches is made better by their presence Right, how do we create uplift in all of our small gestures? How do we think toward abundance? This is shea. This is abundance mentality like how do we incorporate all those things into a belief system? And what does that practice look like? Right. I know what I keto practice looks like you go into a dojo You the teacher teaches shows you something you pair up and you do the exercise It's a form of practice and there's some ritual around it, which is really lovely Um and some warm-ups and some you know other sorts of things. So what does that look like from an ogm perspective? And there's an audio tool called fubar Awesome And I love the chat. Thank you. Totally cool stuff Um I had um put in the chat Kiko that motto is minimum viral upwards spiral Go ahead. That's great. Love that. Go ahead Shay Um To Jared, I love that it literally was making my eyes water. Um as you can imagine So that's wonderful and it and it triggered another thought for me as well That seems like to be sort of a common thread for me I think there's a lot of uh trauma that people are experiencing right now around covid around connection masks Surfaces, whatever it is. Um, and then we've got Black lives matter and Trans lives matter and all of these things that are coming up, right? And so I think that there's a A collective healing that needs to happen And so I think if we are talking about open global mind, um, it's I think it's a great thing to be going into Solutions and ham you are talking about, um, you know We we have a tool, you know, we just we want to you know, we the tool doesn't really matter It's more about just applying it to to getting to the solution, right and The impact yeah exactly right and that is so important and you know, that's where everybody falls down Is actually making the change, right? Everyone's got lots of ideas and there's way too many tools and everyone's inundated, right? But we need to think about also where are people really at right now such that they can receive that impact that change that Progress, you know, if we want to call it progress and believe that it is I think that there's there's maybe something and maybe this is the feminine coming out in me, but Thinking about there's there's a healing that needs to happen and a and a recognition of the trauma that we are collectively experiencing right now um, so just also taking that in recognizing like where people are at at the moment Yeah I just I love that I have been I'm just gonna talk about me for a second I've been in every conversation that I have around all of this stuff That has just been something that I feel like I keep on trying to bring people back to is Thinking about this through that lens, right? And um, it is actually it's got me thinking a lot about OGM to and and I don't think I articulated it necessarily as well as you just did now Shea. So so thank you for that um But I mean it is it is part of it, right? Like you can only I was reading something this week. I think it was something in Like Khalil Khalil Jibran's the prophet, right? And it was like, um, you don't You can only learn something that is already half sown in your own mind and you think about like that what You know, you can unpack that a lot of different ways But one of the ways that I took it is just like you have to kind of be taking steps to To get there before you can really see What do you need to see right and how can we, you know, create a container in which those kind of interactions Can can happen, right and also help people take those steps to even start sowing those seeds themselves Um, you know, which is I mean, you know trauma is a huge part of that Healing's a huge part of that right like how can you how can you see Something from what it is if you've always seen it one way, right? Or even just recognize that it could be something else Which is which is great. So so thanks Love that. Um, two tiny things One is that one of my beliefs is that one of the greatest change agents on the planet Is when someone takes someone else by the hand to try something new I mean, I I came to love Quaker meeting because I lived in Southport, Connecticut And I was working in a little company there and had just broken up with a girlfriend and one of my buddies said, hey You seem kind of glum. Uh, the family and I have been attending this friends meeting in wilton Would you'd like to join us and I had never ever heard of quakers or knew nothing? I heard the name, but I knew nothing about them And went from that to being a regular attendee and it's really really affecting how I see the world and all those sorts of things Um, so so taking people by the hand, which is not about technology. It's not about anything It's about trust and relationships and trying stuff and then um, second, I'd love to read a short poem Which feels like it's very much of the moment I'll put the link in the chat. The poem is called home to roost by k ryan And it's short. Uh, it just seems like it's of the moment It goes like this The chickens are circling and blotting out the day the sun is bright, but the chickens are in the way Yes, the sky is dark with chickens dense with them They turn and then they turn again. These are the chickens you let loose One at a time and small various breeds now they have come home to roost All the same kind at the same speed And I love the birdsong at the end right after thank you Audio by can yeah, exactly audio audio soundscapes my soul escapes um So I think we have a bunch of things in front of us that we're that we're excited about And including inviting more people in so this can be a more diverse conversation But I think we have to become more relevant to more diverse people in order to do that Otherwise we're just a salon discussion And and we don't need to code a lot of stuff to have a magical new thing to offer value someplace. We actually I think that there's enough tools. We have enough stuff around that That there's very There's there's a lot we can do just as we are where we are. So let's figure out how to organize that go ahead Charles in terms of tools or other approaches, um I mean you're recording and I had a suggestion Which is what something we do at the at the kiko lab for example to run everything through order to get the transcript and I mean whether whether we sort of get to that level of of collaboration and and um sense making In terms of let's just say creating a to-do list or sort of extracting actionable items From your brain for example, I mean Who's doing that or how are we going to do that together or who's got their eye on those kind of balls? So part of the reason We've invited you all is that you all seem like great architects of all these kinds of things and thinkers about how to go about these processes So we have nascent ideas and we have a little website. We have a google group. We have I've created A channel on medium if we wanted to write essays and post them We have a long-standing channel on on youtube that we can use. We have a linkedin group already formed for ogm So so and these are you know We could easily create and we could propagate hashtags of different kinds or or do whatever else so these are conventional tools But there's no reason not to use them and we could pair up and say hey Let's write an article about this and post it and then the rest of us could could go you know go about Making it making it spread making it work So I think that's kind of up to us to set up rhythms and patterns and methods and to create and and peter I'd love to hear a little more about sort of this this end penalty julians approach toward This uh, what does she call it culture of work? No Systems of action systems of action. I'd love to know more about that in fact I'd love to invite ann to sort of lead a conversation about what she means by systems of act I think that's a that's a to-do list item, right? Let's uh Let's let's all learn what systems of action mean And where it goes and then peter think you have to leave at the top of the art Also, do you want to add anything to this conversation before you have to bounce? It was a very small thing to your question. What kind of tools I think I'm on the same wavelength as him that we don't need more tools, but What I have tried out recently with the josie in australia. We have regular call Is uh before people enter the call I'm playing music from in this particular case It's a very soft music from Robert Fripp Yeah, so when you so when you enter the room when you enter this space It invites you to become More silent Contact with yourself and not just bang Writing so it's probably along the same lines as ken was mentioning before And uh inspired also by the work of robert point on wrote the book about paul's Maybe inject a couple of uh one minute pauses in our calls Where we are obliged to be silent for a minute And then come back to the topic and see how that has Changed our mind or not That was to the tool Love that and any of those of you who've attended any of my retreats know that I use the quaker Silence um every now and then during during those those events And oblique strategies is awesome. Um Anybody who'd like to add something to the to the wrap of this call, please do so right now Because it feels like several people are like yeah, I'll just say It was great to I mean I just like I'm just super excited to Ham jerry and matt Love talking to you guys two times a week, but it's so nice to like just explore these ideas with other people and and see how you know We're like not really passing batons, but we've like got all these torches lit everywhere And some people are like grabbing it and running to other places and just sharing ideas. It's just cool, man So thanks guys. That's all I want to say and love the mindfulness stuff It's been uh, it's been in my head a lot for the past month I use somatics as a way to get people out of their heads and into a mindful space without thinking about it Because mindfulness is not what you think right Kenny familiar with the work of patrick crowden I don't know patrick I will I will ping you with some stuff about him in a little bit Fantastic. Thank you. I'm just Just There's a little bit of shape that's taken place here that we were sort of striving for jerry We don't have the sorting hat or every but like and not to presume anyone's intentions here But like there's a little bit of charles like it seems of some of the interest in the tech and the space and some fluency there and jerry just referenced that so like that's a little Node that's being you know that's starting to take shape. We knew it needed to there's this whole thing around It's way of being can you ask about competencies show you talked about mindfulness and pause like Like what does it mean to to be or have ogm that and The fubar and the beliefs of that and like I think there's interest and that's a little node that's taking shape And then I think there's this impact node that sort of has a little tiny In you know and and or what we're talking about with the bonnie workshop peter or just you know even the work that's happening Corporately at fidelity, which you know you guys we could say is matt's sort of Trying to get this idea into a corporate environment and bring some of this technology beliefs way of impact into that so I don't know even though this was a very nice free flowing conversation This guy this feels like structures really starting to take place here and I'm just really I'm jazzed by that And I love the diversity that the diversity of this group is what's causing this structure to take place I'm jazzed by that I'm gonna have to go like really shortly, but I want to also be jazzy with my heart and everything else And maybe it's just what I thought of just before in terms of like Jerry your brain, you know having a lot of action items to be harvested that that is a huge thing in itself And we might really not need to go further You know sort of how to frame that and and make that into an action in itself or a process and Yeah, I don't know I just offering that because that's plenty we might not even have to say another word if we just Go in there and and brain it at the same time so a couple a couple thoughts I I would love to do something with what I've built for 22 years because I've been curating something that I think is valuable I'm also extremely frustrated that when I show up and run conversations using the brain I'm the only person in the room who has an artifact Like that and I feel like Each of us should have an artifact like that not that we've built the whole thing But that we found one we like and we use it a lot in conversation And that's part of the reason why ogm exists is like Man if we had tools like this together that would be great Um, I'd be thrilled and until now basically I've been feeding my brain and I've been holding it in a lot I'm trying to think of how to maybe Super reproduce it like like just you know, what if I put it into a github repository? And github has this really nice model called fork and pole Github is a is a code where coders share share open source code and fork and pole means anybody can fork your repo Which means they copy your whole repository Which means in the sense of my brain if we did if I did this They could copy my whole working brain and go off and use it to seed their own and then pole means They when they improve something they would send me a pole request Which would then mean I would add what their improvements to my brain or I could choose not to And that's so fork and pole is a method for community improvement of some work some thing And I don't know if that would even work with the brain. I don't know like there's a there's a couple big question architectural questions around it but How might we make use of what I've done charles the way you just just suggested and then I've thought about this a Little bit in a couple different directions. I would love to have that conversation more broadly because it's it's clearly an asset that matters Yeah, thanks. I have um, I have to jump first. I just put in the chat this alliance for a conscious internet Which would be interesting to everyone. Um, I have to go make sure how to go to guys But just just to say um, that sounds cool and great as far as getting, you know, your brain and to github that sounds like It may be another place to just swim around and and find stuff But but why not just sort of in real time Doing the more human sense making kind of it's more efficient and maybe more exponential to kind of Literally just through maybe smaller breakouts or I don't know. I'm just, you know, riffing on a potential process or approach to the process is It's just to be more human about it and kind of really be able to zoom in as you do and you're the most fluid In terms of knowing what's there and how to get around and and then just sort of I mean still recording everything and and doing everything else that we do But but actually just focusing on action items And and and and making them structure sort of initial structure as we go in real time That sounds great. That was my idea So I know you have to bounce let's pick this up on the mailing list and talk about it between next next week Um, but I love the idea And thank you everybody Other account is available. We have a pro account. So I know that Lauren and you know, we'll be glad to So let's figure out if we can if we let's figure out maybe we can find a way to automate the I can send the audio file some place. I think you can actually just integrate it with the zoom As we go so that'd be fabulous. Okay, for sure. Okay. See you Thank you everybody Take care. Thanks Jerry. This was great. Nice to see you buddy. Thanks for reaching out. Appreciate that Of course, of course. We should chat soon by the way We we shall I have a little more time on my schedule. I'm not working 50 hours a week anymore. So Jerry, I'm stealing your friends, man Awesome It's a little library It is totally All right. Be well everybody. Take care