 I'd like to call the 10th regular meeting of the 2016 2017 Common Council to order with the clerk Please read the quote for the day. Thank you, ma'am The other person's greatest emotional need is to feel appreciated Thank you very much with a clerk. Please call the roll And all their men Jose is not excused And next we'll move on to the Pledge of Allegiance. Please stand and join me Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next we'll move on to the approval of the minutes from our last meeting all the person down here Thank you, mayor. I move to approve Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on those minutes? Seeing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes There's no resignations tonight or no new appointments. So we'll move on to confirmation of mayor's appointments city attorney I don't have that document This is an appointment from the mayor submitting the following appointments for your confirmation to the mayor's Neighborhood leadership cabinet penny webber president of shabuagan neighborhood pride for a term to expire april 30 2017 All the person down here. Thank you, mayor. I move to confirm Second, thank you for that motion in second All those who are what will take a roll call then for confirmation of the appointment city clerk 15 eyes motion passes Uh next item is moving on to our program the city of shabuagan's urban forest and emerald ash borer management program Like to call up david bevel director of public works and joe kerlin our park superintendent Good evening Um real quickly. We're just going to give the council a quick update on the city of shabuagan's forestry urban forest basically we're Going to talk about the street trees those trees between the sidewalk and the curb that we're all familiar with And with me tonight is our superintendent of parks and forestry joe kerlin. He's pretty much going to run through the majority of of the presentation um, I just want to inter inter introduce you to the topic because Shabuagan's been tree city Usa for 39 years and next year will be our 40th. We're the longest running community in the state of wisconsin And you'll see with the presentation tonight The importance Of an urban forest to a community and its quality of life So with that we're going to get right into it Joe still my notes here. Thank you. Thank you david so in july The city went through marina parks and forestry went through the public works and then it came back to the council in july 5th The council passed the city's first ever Urban forestry management plan Tonight we're going to basically update you on a portion of that plan the eab portion of that plan emerald ash borer And then we're going to propose some budgets of what we're looking at To deal with the eab the urban forest Of shabuagan provides a multitude of aesthetic Economic economical and environmental benefits to the citizens businesses and visitors alike The city of shabuagan has a total of 22 154 street trees like david said anything between the road and the sidewalks There are 5 139 Ash trees amongst those so 23 a high percent of of trees only thing higher than ash trees is is maple at about 35 percent Although we have that 22 000 street trees the city has Approximately 3700 available planting sites at this time too So we we have a deficiency of planting sites and we'll kind of show you why in just a little bit The forestry division is averaging about 500 to 600 tree removals a year since 2013 And that's not including anything to do with emerald ash borer at this time. So that will only increase our burden The city needs to begin an aggressive planning program to restore our urban forest and our street tree canopy First of all a goal. That's part of our plan Eliminate high-risk situations. So first and foremost It's always about safety to our citizens to our residents to our visitors. So removing high-risk trees is The top thing that we need to keep doing prune high-risk branches Deadwood in the tree Hangers things like that. So anything that's a hazard again. Those are our first priorities get out remove those Determine if the tree is bad or just the branches And then start working on removal of eab ash trees because pretty soon they will just be dead trees Our second secondary goal in our management plan establish a routine comprehensive urban forest program promoting a healthy forest That would be The second goal is something we do not have at this time. We have a management plan Now we need to start using it at this time. It's more of a reaction Not being proactive. So we need to be proactive in this management plan And that's the second goal perform merely tree inspections Really every tree 23,000 trees should be looked at twice by someone in my department Evaluate a risk management program perform training prunes Something once we start planting trees after three years of planting a new tree You should get out there and you should do a training pruning If you can touch a tree Three to five times in the first 10 years that has been planted Then you really don't have to do anything with that tree in the future to any great degree We to perform routine pruning and removals of non ash tree plant high quality trees with low maintenance Here we go urban the eab That little bug can fit on a head of a penny. So it's that small and that's the adult What you see below it is what's killing the tree and that's they're doing that in its larva state So they exit the tree as an adult But they're eating and it's disrupting the uptake of water and nutrients to the tree and that's what's killing our trees At this time We are probably within about year four or five. We suspect of having the emerald ash borer And I've kind of preached this first eight years is kind of slow moving But from year eight to 12 They're all going and they're going fast This is a picture of from june 16th I mean june 2006. So three years And that's what i'm talking about that fast Those trees just went So that's probably in that last four-year stage and this You don't have a plan. You don't start replacing. This is what your your streets are going to look like Benefits of trees shambuigans public street trees provide annually stormwater runoff production reduction Which helps us with our with a dnr 931,298 a year annually carbon dioxide reduction 115,812 dollars energy savings by cooling 840,000 Property values increase in the city 1.1 million air quality improvements 143,585 All these benefits have been the total is 3.1 million dollars This is used from a software called iTree analysis and it's what the us da forestry program uses So there's a definite worth to the trees we have Ash trees If we were to remove all of them right now, we'd be losing 631,000 dollars worth of benefits So in the management plan When we ran that through the committees You know and it was accepted It's still we we still had to figure out what what's scenario. What are we going to handle this? So we had three scenarios we came up with scenario number one Remove everything all matte ash trees right away as fast as we can Okay, because if you don't they're going to die no matter what Pros costs are definite and finite. You know what it's going to be you can put a time period on it And you can get it done. It's going to be expensive, but you can get it done No long-term chemical treatment costs. We're not saving any. We're just going to get rid of them And we're losing And after that after you do that you can plant the diverse Amount of trees so you can diversify you can put a plant other trees. You have that opportunity Cons high initial cost probably about 3.6 million dollars if we were just to get it done Unique species is lost in your forest. We're losing the ash tree Which is a hardy roadside tree. That's why everybody planted all cities did And you know public wouldn't be too happy losing all those trees along the roadside scenario two Save all the ash trees through the use of chemical treatment You know probably something we're not going to do But it would be about a 200 000 a year And what would happen is you'd have to keep spending that money until you start letting those trees die so What we'd like to do the scenario three and that's a combination of both of them Approximately save half of them approximately remove half of them. So what we would do right away any tree 12 inches um at diameter at breast height so About this high in a tree Would go would be picked to leave right away why Smaller trees provide less benefit Larger trees take up more ground water provide bigger benefit After that We'd have to we'd have to grade all the ash trees And we'd have to decide which ones are staying which ones are leaving What year they would leave over the course of the next three years Ash pearls for this ash trees would remain a component of the forest And we'd reduce the high initial removal amount Only trees in good condition would be retained So you'd be getting rid of all the bad ash trees out there. You'd be just keeping the good ones Cons long-term treatment costs may incur. Okay. Now we're going to have to pay extra for treating In public disapproval still of what tree stays what tree goes We're going to get back to the the budget costs on the scenario three But annual um annual forestry program activities The first row here is there's full we have four full-time employees basically just working on City trees parks and and street trees So this is ongoing We remove again about 500 plus trees a year We had not been planting since 2005 2005 2010 i'm sorry 2010 We probably trim up we call it elevating because we're really not doing any training or pruning or elevating About 1200 trees a year And then we are filling in the stumps of the trees removing the stumps of the trees and filling them in That we remove that keeps our crew busy pretty much year-round Within that High priorities again our safety if there's a safety factor we we'd go to that first We're going to wear construction sites road construction is going to be for the next year and We're trying to elevate trees so we meet our own ordinance for road and sidewalk heights Uh a big one too in the past years have been storm damage The second row is eab program. So this would be anything needed additional again. We're not going to increase Employees we have four They're pretty much set and they can vary a little bit But anything we do above and beyond now And if we don't hire more employees, which is what we're looking at is contracted services This was what needs to be done Tree removals and we're going to try to do this over the next three years Uh tree removal 750 a year Tree treatments 930 a year tree plantings 500 I'm going to stop right there We're not even making up for what we're removing Okay, not even half Because we're removing half 5500 on our own We're removing 750 per emerald ash borer our 3700 Deficit is getting bigger. Okay Tree planting. We're just going to continue planting 500 trees continuously We're going to eventually make it up. But that's the plan Stump removals again every tree to remove remove the stump annual forestry program goals So we put everything together with staff and contracted services Tree removals 1,250 trees a year over the next three years tree treatments I mean a year Tree treatments 930 per year stump removals 1250 tree planting 500 Tree pruning and get back to a management plan and actually being proactive And the city this size we should be touching every tree once every eight years Elevating pruning what not every eight years. We're not getting close to that Forestry up forestry program costs We're going back to scenario three now. Okay Ash tree removal. This is for three years this top Just top column ash tree removal total costs. So we're talking 2,250 trees of removal 924,000 Tree planting total costs. We're going to be planting only 1500 trees 450,000 Basically, we're averaging 300 dollars a tree to plant Treating tree trees total cost. So we're treating 2,790 trees 297,700 So a three year total 1,671,700 dollars Okay, blow is just break that down annually Even with that we're not done with scenario three, which we believe is the best scenario because we're retaining some kind of tree Canopy along our streets We still have to deal then with the remaining half of ash trees eventually We can take our time with that. We need to keep treating Once you start treating an ash tree with the chemical that we're using you treat it every three years Until you decide we're just going to let it go and our lash bore is not going away We stop treating that ash tree is going to get it eventually So there's still a maintenance plan after that. We still need to one Keep planting trees and two keep treating trees It's it's it's an expensive program. We realize that But again, it's it's a very important part of our community And I guess this this last slide is really going to summarize it In terms of we look at some of those figures and it talks about the value trees add to a community and How can how can they add 3.1 million? How can they add property value? Well, I just take a look at this slide of a neighborhood and I ask All of you which which neighborhood would you like to live in? that one with the trees Are this neighborhood and talk about the property values after all those trees are gone and It's it's going to be it's it's not going to the difficulty with this is it's not going to be Jurassic and overnight such as I say it's a tornado comes through and wipes out all the trees in shabuaga You'll see it right away. This is going to be a slow painful process But we're trying with this plan to get ahead of it and maintain the forest and hopefully Reestablish a more diverse forest moving forward for future generations. So again It's part of the part of the overall quality of life of our community Just wanted to bring it to your attention and talk about the importance of this moving forward One last comment. This is really For information, but it's also for Hopefully for you to act on starting next year. So budget talking. I know we're doing the budget now we're really asking that The budget reflects for 2017 to start this program. Thank you Thank you very much gentlemen Next we'll move on to public forum city clerk This evening. We have one person mike brunette mike. Can I have your home address again? 1925 so 26th street Okay, and you will have five minutes. All right I'll start out with a quickie. It would be a lot easier for you guys to spend 20 25 bucks and get a chrome cast plug into the back of the tv And anybody's phone computer laptop or whatever shoot right up there at the press of the button Help me out too, but we'll have to do what you just did Continuing on that front It was mentioned to me that I am a new sense for shooting as I am And my reply is I would not have to shoot anything period If things were put online in a timely manner in an open format where it was usable Not at somebody's leisure people are getting paid good money to do this I mean I worked as a journalist forever. I didn't get paid to go take the pictures I got paid to get that stuff online within minutes by the time a packer game was over when we were at green bay We're the national feed for the whole crap And it's like we had a report up there of a hundred pictures there within five minutes of that game being over And that's not an exaggeration. That's what pros do. That's why you get paid Um, and it's one of those that my other bug would it be Open format you're spending a fortune Doing it where you're doing it later. Why can't it just be streamed automatically to youtube? I could do it from my phone right now and it would be in totally hd quality It would be perfect It would be better than what you're what we're seeing and we don't see that until a week or so later Unless somebody asked them to do it that they like and it's up there right away but moving on to a different area and it's like The wheel tax Whatever you want to call it garbage garbage fee is always come and go in and um, somebody mentioned to me That council doesn't have to deal with now because they took care of in committee as far as I know taking care of a committee Didn't take care of anything It's still has to come in front of the council for a vote and it's coming And one way or another and it's like There is an article uh column in the press by jason is going away thing And it's basically, you know, they need to take take care of this kind of thing And it's like Really the the citizens Need to speak up more and give better input to the councilman the councilman can only ask act on what people tell them or ask them And the information right now 99 of the information comes from From department heads and from within city hall You get a little bit of information you get your packets You can't be expected to research every single issue and spend your whole life doing it It's like I think people do an okay job some better than others But that's life. That's how it always is and I couldn't even tell you which ones are doing better than others Um, and when you come to the point where they're saying what in jason's where I really meant to go It's like oh all you guys offer is well, we should make some cuts and sell a taxing And it's kind of like you should I mean they invented the computer in the private sector Billions of people that's way wrong but millions of people got laid off in a lot of professions because The computer takes care of that from secretaries to parsing data to gathering the information everything the computers are awesome But yet in the public sector It's very rare for anybody to get shed for something like that and I understand how it goes But sometimes people need to buck up and move in those directions And when you're doing it peer data Other than things you're looking at a couple of studies again tonight and quite frankly I think they're for the most part ridiculous you do them again and again But it's like people are always going to drown in whatever bad thing Nobody's pro drowning, but as much as you spend it's going to happen and spending money on continued studies Is not really going to help and the more you put in to pretending you're giving them safety The more liability you're assuming when they do drown because if you're telling them we made the peer safe and they drown You're increasing your liability as it is now you don't really have any liability on the peer because it's you're not your peer And when you do do your data in your studies peer straight data Needs to be there not conjecture not numbers like I know the fire department's Putting forth a bunch of data. I won't see the data But it's like I guarantee you they have numbers and studies and whatever it needs to be done And it's like I think things need to be done like that and Pretty much that's all that's all I got now Just in closing I really hope the bucks thing happens like everybody else does And quite frankly the best thing we got going for us is being close and having a couple of really great big men That can take care of the new kids when they come That's all I got. Bye Thank you, Mike That's it for public farm Thank you. Next we'll go on to mayor's announcements Well as we near the end of summer it's beginning to slip away fast Remember to attend some of our upcoming concerts This coming wednesday the quaskum band will be performing at fountain park at 6 30 This coming thursday the levitt amp Last concert will be taking place at six o'clock a band called electric color is on stage and at seven o'clock Fun funka desi is on stage And then on the following week on wednesday Be the last performance of the shabuigan pop series of plain at fountain park and again They'll start at 6 30 and I'd also like to ask you to save the date the mayor's international committee is hosting a fundraiser It'll be called estling infest that'll be on september 18th from 11 to 4 and that'll be at the three sheeps tap room Next we'll go on to the consent agenda That'll include items 2.2 through 2.13 All the person down here. Thank you, mayor I would move to accept and file all reports of officers accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all resolutions Second thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on any of the items in the consent agenda? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll for passage 16 eyes motion passes Under reports of officers item 3.1 is an RO by the board of marina parks and forestry Submitting as a matter of record the list of members of the newly formed shabuigan lakefront waterfront Task group along with the mission for the group all the person lee windelski I'd like to make a motion at this be approved Second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye opposed motion passes Items 3.2 through 3.6 will be referred to various committees On resolutions item 4.1 is a resolution by alderman wolf authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 2016 budget to establish an appropriation for sidewalks and south pier alderman wolf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to suspend and pass resolution First of all on the motion to suspend is there a second to that? Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed Make a motion to pass resolution Thank you for that motion in support any discussion on the motion on 4.1 Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 16 ayes Motion passes Item 4.2 is the resolution by alderman bellinger authorizing enter into an agreement with clunk masonry For the installation of sidewalks and south pier between the former sea rice building and the city owned fish cleaning station alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I would like to suspend and the reason for suspension is that this is an area on the south pier Where there currently is no sidewalk and it's causing some ADA problems as well as There is an existing contract with clunk masonry and the financing for this stretch of sidewalk Would be coming out of tid 6 I believe and that expires at the end of the year and they want to hurry up and get this done before that expires Hence the suspension Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed alderman bellinger. Thank you. I move to pass the resolution Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 16 ayes Motion passes Item 4.4 is a resolution by alderman bellinger bidders born damro donahue Drawn heidemann herman hosé lasard liwandowski robbie Schneider thiel trester and wolf commemorating the distinguished service of past alderman john gordon white to the city of shabuigan I'd like to ask the clerk to please read that resolution I'm sorry. We'll go back to 4.3 in a second. Okay The resolution commemorating the distinguished service of john gordon white to the city of shabuigan Whereas john gordon white served the citizens of the city of shabuigan as all the person from the fourth ward for two years from 1972 to 1974 And whereas during his tenure as all the person mr. White served as a valuable member Of numerous council committees including public protection and safety public works health and welfare committee Judiciary and legislative committee board of health and finance committee And whereas john gordon white passed away on tuesday july 26 2016 And whereas mr. White served his constituents in the city of shabuigan faithfully and honorably being a man of outstanding ability and integrity And whereas mr. White was a valuable member of the shabuigan city council always legislating with an open mind And putting honesty and charity before all else he will always be remembered as exemplifying the best qualities of leadership In public service to the city Now therefore be it resolved that the common council hereby commemorates the distinguished service rendered by mr John gordon white to the city of shabuigan throughout his two years of service Expresses its sorrow in his passing and offers to his children john michael and caron and his entire family Its deepest sympathy Thank you very much and entertain a motion to approve second I'll make that resolution. Thank you Okay, we have a motion and a second on the floor All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes. Thank you very much Next we'll go back to item 4.3 Which is a resolution by alderman donahue authorizing the execution of an ingress egress easements with bank mutual parcel number five nine two eight one dash 107 to five two eight five And tom colbeck parcel number five two nine Five nine two eight one dash 107 270 the properties as it relates to parking lot 14 Alderman donahue. Thank you mayor. It's an initial matter Suspension is requested As I understand it the parties to an agreement Um regarding use of the property need to have Approval of this ingress and egress agreement in order to have the the agreement the overall agreement Be done in a timely manner accordingly. I would move to suspend the rules second Is there any objection to suspension? Seeing none, please proceed Thank you, and then I would move to put the resolution upon his passage second Um, thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk, please call the roll 16 Motion passes items 4.5 through 4.8 will be referred to various committees Uh item under reports of officers Item 5.1 is an rc by public protection and safety to whom is referred our own number 87 of 16 17 by the city clerk Submitting a communication from the shabuigan firefighters local 483 regarding the 2016 fill the boot drive to benefit mda and recommends that the documents Be accepted and placed on file Alderman thiel Thank you, mayor. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Item 5.2 is an rc by law and licensing Reporting at its meeting on august 9th the committee voted to conditionally recommend that the common council not renew beverage operators license Number 0664 held by nathan gotsucker alderman lasard Thank you. I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted Second, thank you for that motion and support. Please proceed Is nathan Gotsucker here He was invited to our committee on two occasions and did not show up at either one So the committee um decided uniformly that we were going to deny his license Thank you very much for that explanation Is there any other discussion on this? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll for passage 16 a's Motion passes moving on items 5.3 is an rc by law and licensing to whom is referred our own number 69 of 16 17 by the city clerk Submitting various license application recommends denying beverage operators license 0302 based on his in an eligibility for an opera beverage operators license His record of violations related to their licensed activity as Record as a repeat law offender and his failure to cooperate with the committee alderman person lasard Thank you. I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Is um Jonathan mines here He's not here We had come to find that he was ineligible to have a license and the total committee Denied his license as well Thank you. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 a's Motion passes 5.4 is an rc by law and licensing who was referred our own number 69 of 16 17 by the city clerk Various license applications recommends that Denying beverage operators license 1099 based upon her failure to accurate review all relevant convictions on her application or record of violations Related to the licensed activity and her failure to cooperate with the committee alderman person lasard Thank you. I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion. Yes. I'm wondering if arena cozy is here Not being here. She did not show up for her Different appearances upon request and the committee in its entirety denied this license Thank you. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll for passage 16 a's Motion passes Item 5.5 is an rc by law and licensing to whom is referred our own number 69 of 16 17 by the city clerk's office Submitting various license application recommends denying beverage operator license 5 3 1 4 based upon her failure to accurate review all relevant convictions on her application or record of violations Related to the licensed activity her record as a repeat law offender and failure to cooperate with the committee Other person lasard. Thank you. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second Thank you for that motion and support under discussion Is victoria bowmont here? Not being here. She did not appear at either of the two requests to our committee And it was an entire committee denied Her license Thank you. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 a's Motion passes Item 5.6 is an rc by law and licensing to whom is referred our own number 75 of 16 17 by the city clerk Various license application recommends denying beverage operators license application 9 4 1 0 based upon her failure to accurate reveal her relevant convictions on her application or record of violations to the related Licensed activity and her record as a repeat law offender all the person lasard. Thank you I received a phone call from daver pinski It appears that synthia chris christman Who did make application to our committee and and was denied and with the police referral to not Allow is with him in colorado and has asked if we would hold this so that she could make her appearance before the committee um in two weeks Okay, you have a motion to hold is there a second second Okay, that we have a motion on the floor to hold. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll Okay, we can do all eyes all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Item 5.7 is an rc by public protection and safety to whom is referred Resolution number 72 of 1617 by alderman bellinger directing the purchasing agent to prepare a request for proposal for An operational and departmental structure study of the shabuigan fire department and recommends passing the resolution Alderman feel Thank you, mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. Um, I put this together And prior to doing so, uh, I met with the The head of the union chase long miller as well as the fire chief And got both of their supports. They were supportive of this gathering further information That the study that was done by the union was Rather narrow in its scope in base. This is a broader study This does not bind the council To do anything all this is and it's not costing anything other than Bernie's time to put it together and put it out for an rfp There is no financial consequence at this point to the city My intent is to find out What the cost would be and what the time frame would be to turn around this information In the goal would be to get a five to ten year long range plan for the fire department that would include Where the station should be located? How they should be maned? What apparatus should be where? In the staffing structure, so It's it's got support From from all the different areas What I want to do as well as have a independent Third party look at this is because I want to take the the politics from the union out of it The politics from the management of the fire department out of it as well as the politics from the council here out of it And get an objective A body to look at this provide us with some information and see what comes back and again This is just an rfp. There's no cost associated with it. And I would just like to see what comes back Um from the rfp process and then we can debate as a council Um the scope of work that would be included the time frame that we could get a result back and the cost associated with it Indeed, chairman if we want to move forward at that time. Thank you. Thank you for those comments alderman lasard Thank you I'm not in favor of getting another study done We have a study done by the police union, which is pretty in-depth But we also have department heads and I think that we should hold them accountable to be giving us some of the information That we're requiring for a plan for the next four to five years um The way I see it is it's another year will be tied up and we're trying to prepare for budgets And I'm just not comfortable with not moving forward. I'd rather spend Any money that we're going to be spending on a police fire department report On fixing the fire department So I am not in favor of this and I think that We we order plenty of studies. That's for certainty and I would like to see Our department heads who we pay a salary for to give us these types of information Be accountable and make a request Within a timely manner to get this information that we're asking for. Thank you. Thank you for those comments alderman person down to you Thank you, mayor. I'm going to vote in favor of this Based on and with the understanding as alderman bellinger said that this is just a request for proposals Excuse me. So we're not committing any city money at this time. However, it would be my hope that When those proposals come back and following what alder person lasard was saying It does appear to me that we can reasonably expect the fire chief to prepare Answers to each of these particular bullet points based on his experience Overall as a firefighter and in fire administration and to on his tenure here at shabuigan Because I am sure that he has Information and opinions and analysis on each and every one of these issues Um, I think if we have the fire chief's response to each and every one of these bullet points And can evaluate that response along with what the proposals come back I think we'll be able to make a better decision as to exactly what it is that we need So while i'm not asking that the motion at this point be amended It is going to be very difficult for me in the end to support any additional money for a study unless the chief's responses Are provided at the same time Thank you for those comments. Is there any other discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll I'm sorry 13 i's and three no's motion passes Next move on to 5.8, which is an rc by public works to whom is referred resolution number 76 of 16 17 Direct referral by alderman bellinger extending the special charge for residential garbage and refuse disposal services provided By the city and recommends that the resolution be passed alderman bellinger Thank you, mayor. I moved to accept and pass the resolution Thank you for that motion and support under discussion I would uh, I would immediately like to amend the uh resolution So it would be instead of five dollars two dollars and fifty cents And that it would sunset in three years I'm sorry, who's seconded it? Okay, we have an amendment on the floor. Is there any discussion on the amendment? Seeing no discussion on the amendment will take a vote on the amendment. This amendment would change the parameters of the resolution then to two dollars and fifty cents for three years Okay, we're voting on the amendment only Okay, the clerk's calling the roll 11 i's five no's motion passes The motion then before us as amended is to extend the garbage fee for three years at two dollars and fifty cents Is there any discussion on the main motion as amended? Administrator hoffman As you all know, this has been discussed several times. I'm sure it was Discussed at length when it was originally approved in 2012 and then amended in 2013 As you know, it must be reviewed every two years as it currently stands The concern I have as the city administrator is Is the use the previous use of the money and what your expectations are as far as What cuts or what programs won't be continued into the future? I know In the last couple months You received a comprehensive presentation at the community whole from your director public works And I know that higher in your priority are transportation related Challenges in the community street improvement programs In the past this has been a major source At least for the non borrowed portion of those programs And to cut this to two thousand and fifty cents significantly impacts that program So unless you're going to be played unless you're going to be open to considering replacing this these funds $5 down to two fifty ultimately it may result in In additional borrowed funds if you want to sustain The program that has outlined by your director public works That's that's my main concern as you also know due to state law changes If this is dropped from five dollars to two fifty You cannot go back to five dollars unless you have a corresponding cut in the property tax levy So you are making a decision that is permanent in nature as far as the fiscal financial impact to the community Thank you for those comments. They're further discussion alderman bellinger Thank you mayor The garbage fee represents one point one million dollars. We cut it in half. That's going to be five hundred fifty thousand We're getting this fantastically generous contribution from the county of four hundred and eleven thousand dollars We've got a difference of a hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars. So that's that's what we have We're not going to have this tremendous hole or anything that we need to fix. It's a matter of a hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars Thank you for those comments alderman. Let's start Yes, thank you. I'm not in favor of this. I'm in favor of the original proposal you made alderman bellinger at five dollars for three years Oh, is it two years? Um, I'm just not going to be supporting this Thank you for those comments all the person down to you um, thank you. I um I know we've all thought about this and I've spoken about it a number of times I just don't think that our budget should necessarily be punished based on what the county did now. We're all Unified on this council opposing the county sales tax at least in the in terms of the parsimonious kind of percentage that we're getting from it The plain fact is That our roads are in bad shape Director biebel told us that I think it was Three or four years ago The number of roads in fair to poor condition was about 6.7 percent. It's now at 16.7 percent We are going down a road that is full of potholes, but it is a road of delayed maintenance It's like having a house and deciding, you know, the roof is leaking, but I'm just not going to repair it this year The windows are rattling. It's costing a lot of money to you know pay the gas bill, but we're not going to we're just going to put it up It's like I know the paint is chipped and falling off, but who cares, you know, we'll get to it sooner or later When you finally get to it. It is very expensive Director biebel's report also told us just how expensive Delaying these kind of projects is so if we think that we are saving Citizens two dollars and fifty cents a month We are not unless they move away Because sooner or later we're going to have to pay more money To repair roads that are in much worse condition because somehow we felt that saving people two dollars and fifty cents a month was that important I understand that we're all upset about what the county did I am as upset. Well, I'm not sure I'm quite as upset as attorney as a alderman bellinger But I'm still really disturbed by what the county did They did it It's here, but we should not punish our own taxpayers We shouldn't say, you know, we saved you two dollars and fifty cents a month on on that garbage fee now I know that you know your tires are out of alignment because of the fact that you hit a few bumps in the road and so forth And that's going to cost you seven hundred dollars, but remember I saved you two dollars and fifty cents a month So I'm just going to say I think that this is bad public policy And I would just urge us not to once it's gone. It's gone forever and I would urge us just To keep this in place It it has become something that our taxpayers are used to paying Frankly, I got very few complaints when it was first Initiated but I've gotten zero complaints since then and I'm not saying that two dollars and fifty cents a month For some of our residents is not a substantial amount of money But traveling on these roads the economic impact to our community because Who wants to come to sheboygan where you have to be really careful, you know when you drive down 6th street that sort of thing so I'm going to vote against this. I want us to keep I want us to keep the five dollar garbage fee I don't think we should futz and duts with it anything anymore I don't want this sunset thing, but I'm willing to live with that as long as we keep the five dollars in place It's five hundred and fifty thousand dollars Thank you for those comments Alderman feel Thank you, mayor I'm obviously in favor of the keeping it to five dollars as the way I voted I look at as we can't just make it about roads We got to look at the big picture of everything we need in the city Obviously alderman all the person don he was making about roads. I'm looking at services. I'm looking at fire. I'm looking at police I think about this past weekend I think about what happened to the south are we equipped to do something like what's going on down there What happens that happens in our neighborhood? Do we have the police enough to do that? Do we have enough fire department to help those police? um And I really think of those type of things when I see a scenario like that what would happen in our community We're still worried about cutting services We need them to cut more. We need public works to cut more. We need all this. I think they've cut pretty much They've done a great job of cutting. It's time to make sure we have enough for this community And I think we need to look at that big picture Granted it was only Six hundred and ninety seven people who did take the survey and I thank those people out there who did take the survey And if you looked at question 17 about the cost of providing city services The highest percentage one was using a combination The lowest one was cutting services And I'm not about cutting any services Um, that's why I want to keep this at the five dollars. I'm not in favor of the 250 Anybody who voted To go against the five dollars on the 250. I'll let you guys to speak and tell the citizens Where you want the cuts to happen? If you have an idea you don't want to vote for it Speak out. Let the public know. Thank you Thank you for those comments alderman hose Thank you, mr. Mayor Um, I kind of have a two-part question And I think let either the city attorney or the city administrator answer it The first is um Why did we pass the wheel tax? Did we need money? Is that why we passed the wheel tax that we need money for the streets? Is that correct? Yes Second part is what by what legal mechanism were we able to pass the wheel tax? That's a legal question. So I'll answer it. There is a state statute that provides the ability to Pass a wheel tax So there is an ability to raise money if we lower this you say we can never Get this two dollars and fifty cents a back There are other legal mechanisms where we can raise We raise fees To get money back or more money. Isn't that true? No, that is not correct So how to still how we're able to do the wheel tax because the wheel tax is provided for specifically in state law Specifically in state law. It also provides that the city cannot provide other fees Unless they course unless there is a corresponding cut in the tax levy So it's all based on state law So when the wheels say are you suggesting that we take the other action in the future to increase the wheel tax Is that what you're you're trying to get across what I'm suggesting is that I think That the comma council is trying to be scared into not Supporting this reduction to 250 because there can never be they can never get this money any other way And I just don't believe it. We can raise the wheel tax it down down the road somewhere if it's absolutely necessary Well, I know we can by referendum we can go to the citizens and we can raise money that way By referendum we can get around act 10. So there are our legal mechanisms by which If absolutely necessary this money can be gotten back again But I believe that this is a scare tactic to scare members that are supporting the reduction to 250 They're trying to scare them into not supporting the resolution as amended Thank you for those comments all their personless side Thank you. I just have a question if in fact We reduced This to 250 I totally just lost my It can never go back to five Why oh I hear here comes Can we approve? Can we approve something? redone Or At five and then if we find out next year that god has blessed us with this enormous amount of funds Can we sunset it early? Does it have to be a mandatory two years? Can we have it? Five dollars for one more year Or two more years and then go back a year if we in a year's time boy, this is around the block If in fact next year at this time we find That god has blessed us with these funds and we don't need this any longer Can we sunset it early or does it have to be mandatory? The period of time that it stays city attorney You can so if if for example if this were to get Voted down and at and there would be a vote in favor of a five dollar Feet garbage fee for two years and then a year from now you decide to cut it You could cut it you couldn't bring it back up after that, but you could cut it in a year Thank you Is there any other discussion? Hold on my wolf. I'm sorry Thank you, mayor. I just wanted to kind of bring up a few things Some of the concerns that I guess I want to point out are Over the course of time from budgeting and common council meetings and presentations We talk about our great city. We talk about how our roads our trees Our infrastructure our capital improvements are all of these multiple things That we don't have enough money. We don't have enough money coming in We've been cutting things. We've done a great job reducing budget reducing Um our services to the best of our ability over the the past what 12 plus years We look at our at our roads as an example and I'm just using that as an example As because we have 200 miles and we all travel them every day, whether it's a fire truck an ambulance a police car Or our our constituents driving to work to play Throughout our city We all have issues with them I have not had That many people I've had one person call me And complain about the actual Um garbage fee the person that called me complained about the garbage fee because we call it a garbage fee Not that they were paying the five dollars But that we call it a garbage fee when we talked about it They actually said I don't have a problem paying it We keep talking about our budgets. We keep talking about how where are we going to come up with the extra money? We want more police. We want more fire firemen. We want, you know, new police cars our capital improvements budgets are ridiculously been held at three million for forever cost of you know, the cost of living cost of Doing things has gone up over the years, but yet we keep talking about reducing and reducing and reducing I understand the county tax We're going to get a a magnificent $411,000. Thank you so much We should be looking that as a bonus versus Something to compensate and reduce things our constituents myself included We don't like paying the extra fees But we're our hands are tied. It's not a scare tactic. Let's keep it the way it is five dollars for now If we have to let's keep it for two years and or three years Let's try to get ahead. Let's try to get caught up and fix some of the things that our constituents are We're all tired of having That's what I have to say Thank you for those comments anyone else Alderman field Thank you, mayor. I'm not using it as a scare tactic either when I talk about what I'm saying Um, I truly believe we're about two years away from maybe even just getting rid of it all But I think we need to keep it out of five dollars for a couple years We have some really good things going on in the city some great development some great things going on that's going to add To our journal fund down the road I just really think we need to keep that five dollars for two dollars to get the services we need I also have not received one single phone call About the garbage fee at all I talked to a lot of people at work. There's a lot of people that I work with When we're in a break room, that's what we're talking about because they know what I do And they're all in favor of it. They've talked about it with me already Um, I don't think it's as big as a deal as as we're making it to be honest with you They'd rather have services than to cut two dollars and fifty cents. Thank you Thank you for those comments any other discussion for amendments Alderman boring Thank you, mayor. Uh, you may notice on the screen up there. Jim born voted I Uh, I can't remember for sure four years ago if I voted for the original garbage fee I may have with the idea that it was supposed to go away as I spoke Spoked about before But I'm not going to go through all of that tonight. I think this is a reasonable compromise It gives some relief to our to our taxpayers and it also Makes us take a hard look at our budget as we go into 2017 So I think this is a reasonable compromise I have had a couple of emails over over the weekend regarding this and I basically said I wanted to see how the discussion went tonight and I decided By thinking about this over the weekend. I think this is a reasonable compromise and that's why I'm supporting the 250 in three years Thank you Thank you for those comments Alderman Lewandowski Yes, two weeks ago. I voted to get rid of the garbage fee altogether And I had people that thank me for that saying thanks for looking out for the taxpayers But I would be willing to go along with the 250 as a compromise for now With the provision that it does we do get rid of it in a few years So I will be voting in favor of the two dollar and 50 Cent fee for now Thank you very much. Alderman Lewandowski alderman wolf. Thank you, mayor I guess I would like to make a comment again um We talk about How this is so important and how we're going to relieve our our constituents going from five dollars to 250 which i'm against but I I would like to Ask our council to to kind of internalize and think about this We are 40 000 plus constituents here How many people are calling you is it 50 percent? Are we all getting you know 20 some thousand phone calls emails? if we're getting two Or 20 I mean are we talking? I'm personally thinking that all of us together were less than a percent Of people that are actually concerned about it We need the money. We need to keep it the way it is And I would like to make a motion to keep it at the the original five percent I would said I would make the motion that it would be a two-year sunset Thank you Okay, so the motion is is five dollars or not five percent correct five dollars for two years rather than three years Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Is there a second to that amendment? I'll second that but can he do that because he voted nay on the on the last we went through this last meeting City This is an amendment so it's not it's not something that's already been passed and now is a change This is an amendment to the motion on the floor The chair can determine or the you know the mayor can determine whether it's a germane motion But it's a it's a motion. It's an amendment to the motion on the floor and that's permissible Okay, I'm I accepted as a motion So this is an emotion to To go to to five dollars for two years And we have a second So any discussion on this amendment? Alderman osa Thank you, mr. Mayor You know what? I had several people come up to me at broad days And they thanked me for the way I voted at the last common council meeting When I when I voted in favor of reducing it to 250 and extend having it sunset in three years So maybe some of you haven't had a lot of people Complaining about the fee, but I had several people come up to me at broad days and thank me for trying to lower it Thank you for sharing that Alderman donahue I'm just procedurally just wanting to make sure that we're all on the same page So the amendment To change the garbage fee from five to 250 past And now we have an amendment to Change the 250 to five Right with it with a two-year sunset. All right. And so if we vote in favor of this motion To amend we will be in favor of the five-dollar garbage fee with the two-year sunset, right? Can I just get a clarification on who did the second alderman wolfe and Thank you Alderman heidelman Thank you, mayor The amendment to bring it to 250 Pardon me Wouldn't we have to vote on the amendment to make it to 50 from the five first before we go back to the five? No, there's a second amendment that's come in Amending the main motion. So we have to deal with this amendment before we can vote on the over the the main motion as amended Originally Any other discussion Okay, then we're voting on the amendment to go to five dollars for two years So an aye vote is in favor of five dollars. Correct Thank you For two years Clerk please call the roll I just want to get the right one here Okay, eight no's Chair votes aye motion passes Okay, next item is 5.9 on the agenda that'll be referred to the committee of the whole Oh, I'm sorry. We have to vote on the amended motion Any discussion on the motion as amended Alderman hosay Yeah, because now it's going to be five dollars and extended for two years. I'm going to vote no Thank you for those comments Any other discussion Seeing none. Oh Alderman heiteman. Thank you, mayor Again, a number of alderman were not present when we initially Brought the fee in and at that time Don Hammond gave us an example of how we can get past the hole in the budget by having a seven dollar fee Then we turned it down. Then we brought it down to five dollars Again What we're doing here now is oh, we'll never go to five with two years Okay, say the council changes and they're just going to continue to extend us forever I was promised or I promised my constituents that the fee would go away I was voting in favor of knowing that it was going to sunset and go away Now this is typical government Where you go? Well, we got a fee when much will keep it around and not only do and I was ready To compromise and go for the 250 Instead of getting rid of it all together But again now we're voting on extending it for two years and then it's never going to sunset It'll be two more years after that and two more years after that So I just want to make sure that my constituents understand that I went along with the official Thought that and a promise that I had that I wasn't going to keep this fee around forever Thank you for those comments. Alderman bellinger Thank you mayor, um this turn of events is uh, you know It's you know, it's really kind of makes me sad, but anyway, we've got We just passed a wheel tax We've got You know taken advantage of by the county on the sales tax We've got this and I think it's a good compromise to go down to 250 in three years And see where we're at financially with all the new net new construction that would be coming on board in the coming years We've got a school board that wants to get in our pockets for 29 million dollars with a referendum coming up this fall And we've got the capital commission that originally had a 7.3 million dollar borrowing that they wanted to do That got knocked down to 6.3 million and that's coming before the plan commission. When does it end? It's got to stop. You know, we've got enough going on right now We can I think it's a fair compromise to take it down to 250 and have it for three years You know just going back and back and forth and gouging the taxpayer You know because we've got this crisis of roads We've we it's not going to matter, you know, if we have 25 dollars for a garbage fee We can't keep catch up with our roads in a short period of time It's going to take a concerted effort and some strategy and some, you know Some other creative things with this council to achieve the goal that we need to do it But keep going into the taxpayer for this, you know, it just really disturbs me and I'm disappointed in the whole thing Thank you for your comments alderman wolf Thank you, mayor I just wanted to kind of touch base on a couple of things. Um, granted. I wasn't here when it was originally put into play And unfortunately, I Don't know the exact financials back then but when we look at how things are going as in present state We need we're not digging into the constituents pockets We're talking about 30 a year for our constituents to help the city continue to fix and repair and and Keep the services that we have we i'm not going to talk about the roads Let's talk about all of the other things like alderman bellinger talked about The the request for 7.3 million We we had 126 million dollars on the table for five years of cost How are we ever going to do that at three million dollars a year? The city has done a great job trying to reduce cost reducing budgets keeping things in check But we also like like alderman donahue had said we haven't been fixing The the infrastructure and the the the the ownership of the city the things that we own as Constituents as taxpayers. We haven't been taking care of the house. So I understand and I I appreciate um The the issue where we would love to get rid of it and take it away But what i'm asking is that let's keep it for Five dollars and let's keep it for The two years that's on the table right now and let's get our house in order Let's take care of the fire police the infrastructure that we have The the roads that we have issues with our trees that we just saw that are deteriorating Let's maintain and fix the city the way our constituents want it and need it. Thank you Thank you for those comments all the person donahue Thank you just very briefly Just so that People who are listening to Our meeting or we'll read about it or listen in the paper listen to it on the radio tomorrow I just do want to point out And director beable again was very good at pointing out to us that the City the actual levy the dollar levy From 2005 through 2016 has actually decreased in terms of real dollars in terms of inflationary dollars We have reduced the budget night I know that our sheboygan press reporter calculated that I remembered it about 26 percent So we have been extremely good stewards of the public dollar And the fact that we have managed to keep our budget in actual dollars flat And in real inflationary dollars. We've actually had a substantial drop. I think really indicates that we have not Been gouging the taxpayers We are running a really nice city and it costs the money to do that Thank you for those comments alderman hosay um Mr. City attorney, am I correct in assuming that if if we just vote the resolution down like we did two weeks ago The effect would be that it would just sunset at the end of the year the rich tax, right? Unless somebody brings it up again again in the future, right? Right Okay, so you know other discussion A clerk will call the roll on the motion as amended To keep the garbage fee at five dollars for the next two years Nine eyes seven nose Motion passes And then we'll go on to five point nine which will be referred to the committee of the whole Matters laid over six point one is resolution number 66 of 16 17 by alderman donahue Adopting an additional benefit as part of the city's medical benefit and dental plan effective for calendar year 2016 coverage Alderperson donahue Uh, thank you. I would move to put the resolution upon its passage second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 15 eyes one no Motion passes item 6.2 is resolution number 67 of 16 17 by alderman donahue adopting certain changes to the city's medical benefit plan effective for calendar year 2017 coverage And establishing the monthly premium equivalent rates effective for january of 2017 coverage and thereafter Alderperson donahue. Uh, thank you. I would move to put the resolution upon its passage Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the resolution? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 15 eyes one no Motion passes Item 6.3 is resolution number 68 of 16 17 by alderman wilf borne bellinger donahue and schneider Authorized in the city of shabuigan to purchase software and hardware equipment for the information technology department alderman wilf Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to put put upon its passage Second thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none will the clerk please call the roll 16 eyes Motion passes Item 6.4 is resolution number 69 of 16 17 by alderman wilf borne bellinger donahue and schneider Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2016 budget to establish appropriation for information Technology equipment Alderman wilf. Thank you, mayor. I move to uh That the resolution be put out put upon its passage Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, please call the roll 16 eyes Motion passes moving on to other matters city attorney 7.1 is an ro by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending december 31 2016 june 30 2017 and june 30 2018 That'll go to the law and licensing committee Uh next is a contemplated closed session Person donahue Thank you, mayor. I would move to convene in closed session under the exemption provided under section 1985 sub 1 sub e was stats For the purpose of discussion and formulation of negotiating strategies relative to the natural resource damage assessment process Where bargaining reasons require a closed session second. Thank you for that motion in support with a clerk Please call the roll for closed session 15 eyes one no Motion passes. I'd like to let our viewers tonight know that will be adjourning in closed session Uh, we'll take a three-minute adjournment till 25 after the hour