 Good morning, everyone. My name is Akal Aguengong and I'm the president of our community in the U.S. I take this opportunity to thank Channel 17 for giving our guests this opportunity to present his message to the audience here in Burma and around the U.S. Joining us in the studio here is Dr. Wright-Rebren, Dr. Abram, Young Mayoma Yung. Young Mayoma Yung is a lost boy like us. He left Sudan back in 1987, went to Ethiopia with us, we returned to Sudan, then Sudan, in 1991 and found ourselves at Kakuma refugee camp in Kenya in the early 1990s. Young Mayoma Yung did not join us here in the U.S. He did not resettle, but he was a lost boy. Dr. Yu has been trained in theological studies with a diploma in theology. A bachelor's degree in theology, a master's degree also in theological studies, and two doctorate also in theological studies and post-doctorate degree as well. Abram Yu is a clergy by profession as a ordained pastor and now a bishop. He also cut his teeth in humanitarian work, having worked for United Nations Development Program. He has also served as a public servant at the office of the president of the Republic of South Sudan as a general secretary for religious affairs. Then he took a teaching job as a professor at the University of Cuba and also as a professor at John Graham Memorial University in Boer. He has been called by his people to serve as a decision bishop and he left that profession and became a bishop for the diocese of Malik. The Malik is, these are the past missionaries back in 1905, 1906. Malik is the past missionary site in the whole Sudan and so bishop became the past diocesan bishop of Malik. He has been a bishop for how many years now? I've been a bishop since 2014. 2014 and he has been in the U.S. trying to reach his people and also visiting and he came to Bremen yesterday to be with us for a family visit. Next to bishop is Mauna Yorriak. Mauna Yorriak is the chairman of our community, Guala community here in the U.S. He was also the board community chairman in Syracuse and he has a profession also in the healthcare industry. He dropped with the bishop yesterday to be with us here and as a chairman of Guala community is also the executive director of Guala community vision for development. The nonprofit organization that we created many years ago in order to channel development resources back home to do development projects. So he is here in the studio with us. And next to Mahut is Guala Doriak, our chairman here, the chairman of Sudanese community in Bremen and also the executive director of Sudanese foundation of Bremen also our nonprofit organization that is supporting us here. So this show for all Bremen is for the bishop to present his decision strategic plan to Bremen test and to people who would be interested in supporting his diocese. So without further ado I will give this opportunity to the bishop to present his decision strategic plan that I have seen a few months ago in Boston very interesting very very interesting program that could actually enable the diocese to be self-sufficient. So the floor is yours right, Dr. Abram, to present your decision strategic plan. We will have a follow-up question after that. So take it over. Thank you so much for your presentation. I want to take this opportunity to greet you all over there who are watching this channel one. It is a great privilege for me to be in this studio with my brothers here and the team the crew team who are covering the events. So here as you have heard my name I'm Bishop Peter the Diocese and Bishop of Episcopal diocese on my leg in southern Sudan. Let me just take a brief moment before I mention into the strategic plan of the diocese. Let me just try to give you a flashback on the formation of missionary society in southern Sudan. Diocese on my leg came as a result of effort from the House of Bishop of Episcopal Church of southern Sudan to restore back the historical historical foundation of the Episcopal Church of southern Sudan. My leg missionary was formed by Hajj Bolshoh. A team of Hajj Bolshoh was sent from UK CMS by then that was 1905, 1905, 1906. These were the two years of initial plan but that was not the end of the mission. The mission goes until today. The mission is still continuous but these were the people who find near 1905 to 1906 were the hardest time for the foreign mission to live in southern Sudan. By the way these men called Hajj Bolshoh and the team behind me here that you have seen on the screen they live in that place for 16 years or 10 years without winning one person to Christ and because of that that is steadiness because of the heart of the people they stick on and as a result of that Diocese on my leg currently has produced a lot of intellectual I mean my leg mission to society has produced a lot of intellectual in southern Sudan and especially the first vice president which I could refer back Abel Aliyar which is one of the prominent in the Sudan by then was a former student in Malik and many other intellectual in southern Sudan now the educators he lived this time were the student from Malik Mission Society and the Diocese of Malik came to came into existence when we came in as a Diocese of Malik we did not start in a vacuum we start from where the missionary ended where the Hajj Bolshoh ended that's where we started and develop our strategic plan and here are the points that I want to present to you first of all we have here with us the vision of the diocese what is the vision because the bible says that without vision people perish without vision people grow carelessly without vision there will be no direction and therefore we thought in our meeting in the in the diocese to have a driving post vision and our vision in the diocese Malik is building transforming a renewing families through the word of God our emphasis is to build the families our belief is families are the basic unit of any society a strong family produce a strong nation a strong nation consists of strong families a strong church consists of strong families so if we have a tattered families we shall have tattered nation if we have started families we shall have tattered church so the basic strength of any old society is family because we come from and from the family if we bring up our families we will have a strong so our vision is to transform families our intention is to transform families nowadays I don't know about us globally the families are under attack of satanic as family chris and families and we thought that it is important for for us to groom up the families what is the vision of the diocese Malik the vision is to prepare the board of Christ for the second coming of Christ now as a body which is so my in greek is that our existence is to make sure that we influence we influence the system we influence the structure whether government system or any societal system the church should have an influence and our base is in messiah chapter 5 13 that say that we are the soul and we are the light of the world it means that we should be a great influence without light you cannot see if you don't have soul in your food the food will not give a good test we have a strategic plan that have been approved by the diocese and synod we see to it that we have a discipleship program in the diocese now for you are outside there the war in south sudan is not about religious war it is only christian are fighting themselves and what convinced my heart is that that conflict came as a result of the lack of discipleship if we have strong disciples who have the love of crying the heart we will not really assain ourselves into that so a priority number one in the diocese is to make the disciple because the lord as commanded has to make the disciple for all nation in regard to the conflict even in south sudan most of our conflict in south sudan has been exacerbated by the illiterate because majority of people are illiterate and therefore we have a plan in place called literacy and evangelism we want to reach people we have illiteracy and evangelism where we are trying to let our people learn our mother tongue anyway by the way being educated is not to speak in greek write in greek not to write even in english or to speak in english being educated is to know and write in any language that you know so if we will make sure that our people write in our language then here they are educated and that is what we are doing now we are trying to do that in south sudan and that is none then literacy and evangelism program personal training in the diocese we are only three trained pastors only trained trained pastors and the diocese is about four to one thousand look three trained pastors with a number with that very huge number it is very hard what we have done is really to to have a program on personal training this is in service training if you could know in service training is a skillful training that to chaff and somebody to help you in the service so we have a plan to have in service training that is three weeks because we are not developing academic now developing academicians is a hardest program you take time you take money and the environment ourselves cannot allow that another number four uh number four point in our strategic plan is fees are reconciliation as you know in south sudan has been in a crisis since uh since the beginning we did not enjoy fees and it is the work of the church to reconcile it is the work of the church to preach fees and as a result of that in the early days of conflict in south sudan i had initiated a program called dinga and where pastors peace initiative and this program uh was i i came out of that program because earlier early on in 2013 2014 what happened international media or local media who are trying to graduate the conflict in south sudan into tribal war and i see that uh that is statement of saying that this war it is between nuir and dinga it was like a mobilizing sort of a statement to to repeat the communities so here's a pastor by then i have to call up other nuir pastors come together try to reach nuir try to reach dingas for them to know that the the conflict uh that has happened it is it has nothing to do with our tribal and because of that we are able to reach some places we went to jungle which was a hardest place we went to malakal we went to bantu and because of that thirsty of seeing our community unite without fees it is very difficult by the way fees as a fees uh a fees study uh a fees scholar what i know fees is not is not a silent of gun it's not that if gun is silent then there is peace no fees if there is no food if there is no security you cannot really there's no uh freedom of speech then you cannot say there is there is there is peace and our intention uh is to make fees if you want to know more about that try to go go to uh uncle can new service you will get my article on uh the uh on the impact of corruption in south sudan try to google on uh uncle can new service you will be able to get that i will see how uh we are trying to look into that silencing gun is not the only one there is another gun which is corruption and the church should really speak up about that we have educational program when we look up education program want to encourage basic school and high school that is a plan that we have uh in the diocese because of the situation in south sudan we introduce psychosocial program when we talk of psychosocial program for those who who are involved in drug addicts they need rehabilitation they need to be restored back we introduce psychosocial to let people realize if you have a piece of reconciliation without psychosocial then it is very difficult really uh to unite the communities so we have psychosocial program in the diocese that trying to to to bring the communities together we have health program uh by then uh the team of highball show they had a health program we are trying to revive those program in terms of planning and and also programming we have also family program family program where we the families normally come together their husband and wife come together and share the issues because we you know family and families are one thing all together and we the major plan we have a program on construction of a cathedral it is long-term planning that we are having in the diocese uh we have lef lefrency program in malek malek is known in most of part of south sudan as a as a colinian leprosy center we have 146 persons affected uh by this disease and they are so stigmatized so we are trying to read people giving them health public education or health education for people to know that uh this leprosy it is a contingent disease it is not hereditary it is not something that you get it from your father through vast but it is a program it is something that you can contract it somewhere or based on if you do not have a good gene so we have that program and the diocese is trying to mobilize plan to help them to help them we have been trying that we are doing that on our level at the diocese the diocese also has a women program which is live now which is running on we have a chicken uh projects uh chicken project is uh is on on the five line it's already we have initiated it we are trying to focus on women because we came to realize that women are are are genuinely within the men because if a woman have some money that woman will not go and eat in the hotel and the children remains living so we are trying to give women uh chance and these are the area that we want to empower women five areas one we have got tailoring program which is uh number two dress making you can either have dye tie and dye that's dress making we have also food processing you know in america year it's not american who like uh ice cream so we also like also that if we have no we like it also so we want to output processing and then we have pollutive program we are planning also to chase motors motorbike motorboat that will help us to ferry uh fish fresh fish to juba uh those are the challenges that those are the the plan that we have in the dies we have about 11 we have 11 program that we want to run and some of the challenges that facing us in the dies in number one is insecurity the ongoing conflict has left a lot of scare a lot of challenges in the in the minds of people so and uh because of connection we don't have uh safety on the road from juba and here and there so those are the those are the challenges that that is the only challenge number one that we have other challenges are minute if we have security safety everybody will be okay to see and assess otherwise uh these are few summary is the book is big it's about uh it's about 60 something pages elaborate but i try to summarize into five pages at least for hearts to confront so these are these are the these are the few uh summary of the blueprint i call it of the dies is on the lake for us to share with you and uh it will be better or will be good anybody want to have a question here among the final he is free thank you god bless you thank you thank you uh bishop uh dr joe uh i have two personal question for you but i will ask uh mawood uh one quick question you uh for the last few years you have uh been working with bishop you have been supporting bishop in some of these initiatives uh he came in 2016 and you and your leadership have been supportive of what he was trying to do and he came again uh last year uh and then and also you try to to mobilize people to support bishop in uh in in in in all of the program that he's running through uh decision strategic plan and he just came for a training and now he's just visiting people so my question to you you just drop uh from syracuse new york to bruman yesterday uh what are you doing as a leader as our leader with people who have resources here in the what are you trying to do to support the bishop uh in some of the initiatives that he is uh pursuing obviously because he's running a diocese in which people are not the resources have been destroyed by war and you have people who can actually have resources uh that can support uh the bishop in some of the resources you're doing what what are you doing yes uh thank you thank you uh a color group for uh for hosting us here in boeman uh i'm very particular um grateful uh for this uh today event uh in the regard to the question of what we have what have we done or what we haven't done yet to the diocese of malik um what we we haven't done anything that much helping the diocese we when the bishop was ordained during that time two years ago um we the members of the diocese of malik we put the um the fun together it was the the members of diocese of of malik here in the u.s it wasn't me by by uh alone uh there was a leader from uh cheik here by then uh there was a leader of uh adult by then uh there was a leader of abang these are the the co um colleagues colleague whom i work with them by them one of them was gildon doi uh and um dinner my younger which and uh actually the denkour by then so we put the risk this small resource together and we send them back home for the for um enthronement enthronement of the bishop during that time this is one of the steps that uh i did as a a leader uh bishop peter came back uh this year we didn't do that much but we collect uh little resources that time um um so we have the members of the diocese here in in america particular i should say um we support but we didn't do what we didn't do enough so um we have challenges challenges that we need to to do more and bishop peter is the man that we have really for myself uh bishop is a gift to us bishop peter is a gift to us um why do i say that he's a educated educated person as we know but he didn't um say that i i will serve the community in other area that he won he wanted but he choose to follow or to accept the will of the community of kolnyang particular to say that i will serve this diocese it was a call from the community and it also it was a call from the from the god so we know bishop is a very um is aware of lack of resources is aware of that so to me always you understand if we are not unable to to do this this time he knows what are the challenges but to answer your question fully uh we haven't done that much we have done the little we can um so but uh we still we are praying that we will we will try to to put our resources together in the near future or tomorrow so that we can be able to to help the diocese of my leg diocese of my leg have achieved a lot of things for us and this is the man this is the man that one this is the man uh whom i have learned today that i'm pointing at who came to my leg that is the haji haji haji haji haji haji who came to my leg that time so this is the it is now the first time i see the picture of our missionary who who came to my leg so we are happy in this studio i'm very grateful that uh i have seen the person we have been talking about for many many many many years so so daniel um a colleague uh we will try to help my leg in in whatever the way we can and thank you thank you so much uh uh chairman mawood uh just out of just to mention two things i did not talk about the education of the of the two panelists here uh mauna yuriak is a graduate of syracuse university uh so he's a syracuse university alum uh shul doriak is a graduate of the university of brahmins as i am so we we i left that out so i thought i should i should mention that uh going to shul uh the leader of our community here my question basically is uh you have been working with the diocese trying to introduce bishop uh to to the diocese of brahmins and also you are also you have been appointed by the mayor of the city to serve on some boards so the bishop is here uh either are you going to introduce him to to more people i'm trying to introduce him to the people that i know uh shul is the chairman of our community back as a board community is also the chairman of his own community i do more so and thank you so much for reaching out to the the cathedral reaching out to the diocese of brahmins but i was i thought i would ask you uh about uh about the kind the kind of you know bishop will be here on on tomorrow and maybe on monday too and then he's going to fly back on the 30th so take it over first of all i'm very excited and thrilled that bishop has finally arrived to brahmins before we you had a plan of coming to our state and it was not possible and we completely understand um why did not happen but i am proud that you are here in our state um our community is excited that you are here thank you um we have hosted many uh religious leaders uh as you know an ethanial bishop ethanio was here the first one and we have a number of uh religious leaders who came here and i'm always proud of our community every time we have spiritual leaders we do our best to welcome them uh support them in the best way we can't in my capacity as a state leader as a community leader i have done my best to uh to acknowledge your intent and plan to come here to visit us and uh the cathedral church of st paul is ready uh to receive you tomorrow there's a lot of event uh your visitor was a short visit and uh but i'm excited about the plans uh some of the activities that you'll be it'll be involved tomorrow um at the church and i know there are no many Sudanese here in the room but later in the afternoon you meet everybody so i'm excited about that uh in term of connecting you to other state leaders given the times and the commitments and many things and election happening it's very unlikely that uh you will meet um state leaders but you know we leave in this age where if you have anything written down you can you can leave a message uh you can leave a message and still be connected i am happy about the the program that you laid it out um um and i think the diocese of Malik is very lucky uh you are a visionary leader uh you're very educated and you know exactly where you're going and i think that's very uh very important so once you leave those kind of programs with uh the religious leaders here in the state i think it would be it'll give us a good understanding i am proud of the work you're doing i am happy that um you're making connection you're visiting us and uh and that's important so i'm grateful that you're in the studio and this is a really uh wonderful resources that we have in our state uh we tried to record something that can be shared with other people who are not likely to be with us in the studio so thank you uh finally i want to thank a call for in for arranging this um it was a short period of time and the fact that we were able to arrange this time to do this show is amazing so i'm grateful to our call for coordinating this show today thank you so much so let me let me go to now the the two personal questions one you as i said earlier you are a lost boy like us three of us came to the us you did not come what happened thank thank you so much uh what happened was uh when as you know when we were in itubia we were driven out from uh senyindu we we we went to to sudan back to sudan or to southern sudan currently we spent a lot of time in fechara particularly in gulkur where life was hard for us and uh during the during the conflict if you could remember there was a time that the camp was attacked yes yes so then what happened uh i ran different direction you know you went to that side of of capoeira and i went to that side of the sudan which is toward uh the bore i went to bore stay there all those years then again i came back to kakuma back to kakuma in nineteen uh 1990 1998 in which if you could remember when we were in when we were in in sudan we met with you and you took me to narus and then to narus to kakuma our test for education coming to kakuma i got an opportunity to come down kenya for studies so a time the time that you guys were planning for a settlement here to the us here i was already in the seminary i was in babel school and some of you even left without even me knowing so when i came i found that people have gone processes already started so i become disadvantaged so but some god is not disadvantaged baby god wanted me uh to remain there to stick around there to learn the situation there educated there and also to learn there and to become a bishop otherwise maybe if i were here i may have not made it to become a bishop maybe it was god will for me really uh to to to remain behind in san sudan after all now you are here and i'm still coming here it makes no difference thank you the second question and and this is very personal but very also very professional is uh you you you you are a very highly educated uh person probably six degrees uh and you had a good job you you work in the humanitarian field with the un dp and then you work in the office of the president then you became an academic and then your community called you and said come and be a bishop there is no car there is no house there is no salary and you said yes and you left your profession your teaching profession how do you how do you manage it i mean do you regret sometime that it was a mistake well i am not regretting for making the decision for a reason that uh even when i was in the office of reason i was not comfortable because i became like a routine critiques well one thing to be done in a way that i feel like as a christian and then i found myself that uh i'm in a wrong place i yes in san that in humanly speaking i was in right place in a highly office on us working in the office of president trump i think it is one of the one of the best and glorious uh just to be in the presidency or to be in the white house so uh given our status what is the name of your white house of course you know j1 okay you know when you talk of j1 here you know what happened so i am not regretting because uh personally i was trained as an academia teacher just to function in the class and also function in the church those were the the areas of my survival i was trained as uh just to survive in the class teaching in the class or house if i'm not in the class i should be in the church then i found myself in an office where i become i want to convert everybody to become a christian so i found myself in a wrong place even try to convert or talking about jesus in the in the office which is supposed to be the case so i'm not regretting uh actually i am very happy because uh i'm trying to help people our people are so needy and to let me you know that the church is the only institution that i believe that can speak up for the needy of the people church is is is an open arm although it is seen as a institution that does not have anything church has been given that mandate to reconcile the communities so with this i am happy to work on this not highly profiled job so i am i'm happy with that i i'm not regretting i'm not regretting actually yeah thank you i will let my wooden shoulder weigh in if they have anything to add uh but but my final question would be uh there is a peace being signed now and it looked like in a few days uh there will be a big celebration in yuba about the peace being signed between the president the government and the rebels and the hope is the peace finally the war is dying down and people will come back together and reveal their lives uh what is the role are you going to play as the church people it's not you now yes in the church as a whole what are you going to do to sort of help uh these two parties who might have reconciled now to actually move forward uh in building the nation as people who we speak for the the the boys of god uh the role the role of the church or the role of the church leaders is to to be neutral but when we talk of neutrality is not to condone as when you are neutral you talk fairly so you will not be seen as if you are siding with one other side so our role at the church we want to make sure that our leaders account for all whatever they say if they say that peace is signed they have to leave up to standard they have to make sure that we have faith this time so it is a hope uh for the church to see the uh political leaders political parties should really unite around the vision to unite the church i mean unite the the nation we have not been served for long just look at my age i voted once in life i voted once since i was born i have never voted and what defy me was war look at my age and i voted in 2010 for the president all along i have never voted because of war so war is not good and it will not solve any situation so it is our hope or my hope as a church leader to make sure that our leaders should be leaders of integrity uh when peace was signed i wrote my article as uh as i was repairing you and my article article was direct to the church leaders and also to the government leaders to make sure that yes we signed peace uh in papers but we have to make sure that we have to deal with the corruption because corruption is another war to fight it's not only a cocking of gun so we have to be credible and the church has to work hard to encourage government civil leaders really to to account account for the little that we have and also a code service to our people so that is that's what i'm wishing that i want to see and the church also should show that they are light and the salt yeah so because if the politician see the church a strong church then they will see it they will know that church will take the the lead and church will try to outshine them so they have to make sure that we we live to the standard of our promise yeah thank thank you so much i will let mawut and she'll take over yeah bishop peter with the regard to to the peace uh you have said the church can mediate the communities to come together especially uh dinga and where these are the major uh big tribe who have the war has been uh portray as between dinga and uh and where now i'm talking about uh the peace within our neighbors of jungle state what is the role of the church at the moment what the church is doing in order to make peace with our neighbors such as murley such as nuer what are other counterpart your other bishop what is what are they doing about the peace with our neighboring state of jungle state because in jungle state itself we have a cattle cattle um stealing of cattle or whatever now and then especially with our brothers from uh from murley tribe and i think the church also can spirit bring the peace even though the government is uh doing their part so what the church is what the church is actually what often uh the recent conflict has uh has done a lot of damage to the political arena and to the church also and to the social public what often in san sudan is uh uh the war has pitted many people into their tribal cocoon so that is a challenge that we are trying to battle at the church our people regard tribes as an identity then nationhood so you find that many other people so clings to the tribal uh application then political being so so so that is what is happening number two based on the finding that i i came across doing my dissertation on the role of the church in healing the broken nation doing a case study on the afan isle and i came to realize that uh the communities in afan isle are most of them are very are very are very brutal and uh the most of them are warriors minded and if there will be no peace in great afan isle i'm assuring you you will not have peace in the whole of san sudan because from what i have come across most of conflicts in sudan and in san sudan mostly are caused by this at this tribe and since san sudan became a nation the communities in great afan isle have never had an association and because of political differences you find that uh people from barak azal they have an association by then uh in 2010 20 let's say 2006 789 1011 there have been an association of equatorian where the equatorian discordia issues equal and then barak azal association council of elders they they met together equatorian council they they all those things were there but you find that the great afan i they have never had uh an association a unified association to discard their common agendas and because they do not have forum they become explosive so i in my in my research i recommend that uh we have to focus on unifying great afan isle once we see unity of great afan isle then we will see the unity of san sudan but i know most of the politician will not be happy because some of the politicians are benefiting through a crisis so that is the issue and then what we have to see to it with that what we are doing we we have jungle is bordering many tribes my relationship with my counterpart in mundari that is bichu paul modi it's fine if there is any problem between dingabur on site of juba other side we we coordinate we coordinate with him and we share the ideas together with him likewise my colleague daniel dingabut who is bordering nuir uh is making an outreach trying to reach them so we are out there at the church to to make sure that we don't sound like a tribal church we don't sound like uh an ethnicity an ethnic church we are globally we are if i'm here i'm the bishop of episcopal church i'm within the anglican communion i i i don't see to be just locally only that i cannot have episcopal duties here in the united state but i remain at the bishop of within the anglican communion so uh given the the challenge given the mission for the church is still the challenges that are facing us many most of people they try for become one of the identity in a state of uh trying to see the nation nationality nation so you cannot see there is there's like there's nothing common that unite the nation the national in sound Sudan that connive them so you find that people are so suffered you find that you are you cling to your tribe cling to my tribe so that is a problem and that is affecting the the the the choice it's like the current political parties are set up on a tribal line and so it is very difficult really to give the service they are categorized as a tribal political parties so and and and more or less the church is like being seen going to toward the direction so once you come you want to preach and then people will try to interpret in that way but in in in actual sense we are trying as the church leaders to to see to it that we we we become relevant in any situation thank you so yeah so I for one do not underestimate the work the church have been doing in south Sudan I think if there is any strong influence the church should be one of the people that should be counted and I think we should continue so back to your mission in the United States I know you have a very short period of time in the state what are your top challenges facing the diocese now and how can the the American church leaders and churches organization can be involved to help in the diocese of Malik what are your five top challenges that you may need some collaboration some working together with friends one of the one of the one of the top hobbies or challenges that we are facing in south Sudan and especially diocese Malik is is partnership and when I talk of partnership uh if we have a partner the partners to come and see before we we talk of what facing us so coming and see come and see by yourself and see what I'm talking see by yourself the challenges that we are facing see by yourself to see what you can do but we have outlined the strategic plan as a guideline to show to you that whatever priority that you have then you can go through however as I have mentioned this week this week some of our team members still find found that leprosy still exists because two cases were discovered in Bohr and this has been confirmed by well health organization two two cases of leprosy and you find that the number of lepers may be increasing instead of decreasing it was my hope is and my hope that we have to make sure that we cut the the existing of leprosy such that people will be not be stigmatized health issue is a problem in the whole of south Sudan and Malik being the worst because it is far from far from town educational system is it's a problem because most of few people that remain there in in the diocese we have not run away we do not have a sufficient education system if the of course when we talk of educational where class education I'm not dreaming on that because there are some area that we cannot dream of well class well of well class education it may not be judgment of one day in south Sudan but at least basic service basic education and then security one of the top the charge cannot do anything on the security matters it is the duty of the state uh then join hand with us and especially if if if american empower women if they empower women on the five item that I spoke about it training women on try to improve on on a literacy program and then we have also uh food processing training women and food processing dress dress making tailoring training this will make them to be self-sufficient and polluting program I choose polluting program you guys as you know uh chickens are the most despised animal no we are cattle keepers nobody will steal chicken there are no cattle there are no chicken raiders there are no chicken raiders in south sudan but but there are cattle raiders so nobody will and if you run around try to run up around our chickens you will not get them they will run to their own direction so that is the reason why we choose chicken projects because people like eggs they like eating white meat and this will give them a really uh income so if if anybody interested in that if can help women empower women the reason why we say that empower women is that uh in south sudan women are the majority and even the churches here in the united states the churches that I've gone through most of people who attend the churches are women so we mean maybe women will be men in heaven if if people will go to heaven because of going to the church then they will be the majority so if you can try to help women yeah it will be quite helpful because if you have a healthy mind woman you will have the food at the end of the day okay and how how can people who are interested in partnering with the work that you do and how can they reach you uh if if they can reach they can reach me through you guys okay you are here yeah if they they cannot trace me they can trace back to the city here and they can trace you here in boeman or anywhere else has any south sudanese where can i get bishop peter and uh we have so many ways of reaching us uh we have telephone contact we have got email but for the easy correspondent somebody wanted to contact you here then you will know where where i am yeah and then you will be able to direct him or her to the diocese perfect we'll make sure you have we have your emails and exactly so people can reach you yeah thank you thank you so much thank you so much so with us so we should uh wrap it up uh now uh my uh the one of the question that I had is already asked by shul which is how do people get to reach you uh for our bro man audience who are watching uh this show uh if you want the bishop will be here tomorrow and also on monday so if you would like to reach the bishop just contact us contextual contact myself and we will give you the opportunity to uh to talk to the bishops we hope that some of you will be interested in supporting him especially his strategic plan for the diocese which is which has sustainable development and humanitarian aspect of it my last question is about leprosy growing up in malek we know that in the entire bore area if somebody is a leper that person is taken to malek and abandoned there and so we knew then that malek was was was was was was was was the center the center the center for the lepers and and and i already did not know who support them how are they supported and they they they people some people year around the world don't even believe leprosy still exists today so with the stigma attached to it and with the responsibility of supporting these people falling on the diocese uh you already mentioned that there is a program how do you support them and i actually challenge any bro man uh uh viewer who is out there especially if you if you if you can support uh the the leprosy aspect of it the humanitarian work that the diocese done to support the leper then this is the opportunity to do that how do you support them mean you don't have resources these people may have lost limbs and hands and they cannot produce for themselves how do you support them uh when i came here i got some money from you guys as you know so we went and buy food and store the food for them that can last for a while and uh we've been trying in our level versus the diocese and we support them also through the chicken project that the chicken project was men is mainly men for women and also for them so when we collected some money through the sale of uh of eggs and then we we we turn in and buy food uh that's what we have been uh been doing and also when i came and tried to look into my lake leprosy i came to realize and i have i'm happy that i had that the the bishop of wells is around here and i'm going to meet him on sunday i had that it's like sometime the way backward before him i think it is before him it's like they were supported by wells is it best best and well it's very good best and well when he will show establish that program that program was supported by the church of best and well it's like was it best by then bad that is b a th best and well so that's why i say it's good that i i will one will also meet with the diocese bishop i mean the retired bishop of uh of of the dies of wells to see to it is he aware about this mission center because uh the mission center was was established there what happened earlier on and what prompted uh hajbul show to do that was anybody uh found with leprosy was like b us an outcast in the society and people can even kill that person because of this stigma they think that this it is a redditary so hajbul show created a center to bring all these lefes into so it was created way what way backward and it is still exist from that time so and when i came they told me that uh they have never get a support when you came out of the bishop they never get a support few except during when the arab were in bore the sudan army forces but when peace agreement was signed they did not receive any support from social welfare department of social welfare uh in the state and because maybe they were forgotten i think so there are other organizations that have been trying to help them but uh they never shown up again so the main way to support them is through the sale of eggs through the project for the women and the money that the food that we bought when i went so those are those are the way that to try to help them so when i came in in our statement was to make sure that before i retired we have to make sure that was my hope that we love no any other case and other new cases and we've been trying to have a vaccine but it become very difficult getting the vaccine for for leprosy to vaccine the young one so that it will but i realized it is a bit offensive and uh you know vaccine institution are closing down like even in india they are closing down because the but i mean the the leprosy is getting out it's being read it out it's being controlled so eradicated so now it is it is no longer an issue now especially in the west here it's not it's not an issue but in south sudan it exists it exists and our my hope was to make sure that we make a general vaccine but it became and realistic because getting that drug is offensive it will cause a lot of money so the best thing to do is encouraging health hygiene education that's what the only and also to clean the wound so that the the open wound will be healed because when the open wound are still there the possibility for somebody to contract that condition the disease are very high so so those are the those are the way the challenges that we are facing there yeah all right so we are wrapping up now thank you so much for watching this show i take this opportunity to thank the channel 17 and especially kevins for coming and and and recording this show for the bishop this was not an interview it was a panel discussion and presentation by by the bishop i'm not a journalist i'm not young deletion go or my dean more i'm just we were just a panelist so thank you so much for watching us if you want to contact bishop he's with us today and tomorrow and he will leave on Monday because he's flying back to south sudan on the 30th one correction as i was just as i'm just looking at the screen there is i did tell kevin to enter the bishop name as abram yeah that's correct is that correct yeah it's okay uh yeah so but he we know him as a cousin at young mayoma juong so i put abram there so if uh if you want to to if i want to correct that then that's it but other than that can be corrected uh then he will be corrected later on but thank you so much for watching us i thank the bishop for being here i thank the wood and show for being here and i thank kevins uh for recording this uh we this is the end of the show and it will be shared on the facebook it's already being streamed live on the youtube and we will make it available to people uh who want it here especially year around the state of brahmine uh so thank you so much and this is the end of our show thank you thank you thank you so much god bless you thank you