 Welcome back to the next cast. I'm your host Matt and I'm Tyler. Alright, so you're gonna have to forgive me I didn't went really high-pitched in my voice right before that we started recording and now there's like something in my throat like I It's really bad. I think I damaged my vocal cords. It's okay. Um, this isn't a chashulee in the in the chat Come on, man. You were Oh You're hilarious. Anyways, yes, you're right. This is not emacs stream. This is not emacs podcast if you're looking for that You'll have to look elsewhere Because Vim is the tool of gods Facts just gonna put that out there. All right. Anyways, so this is the Linux cast we talk about Linux-y things usually and That's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna talk about Linux-y things now Tyler You my friend have had an adventure. So before you get into your adventure Let's talk about the operating system. You're using so yes last week on the podcast. We had a discussion where I showed my absolute, I Had no faith in you my friend. I'm so sorry. I Had no faith because I was So sure that you there is no chance of you being on Gen 2 At this time, you know this week like you made it a whole week and you are still on Gen 2. Yeah Yep 100% on Gen 2 Now I laughed my ass off When because during a stream during one of the streams Maybe it was during the gaming stream that we did last Sunday I don't even remember it was one of the times but someone talked to you into trying LFS I was like, oh, he's not gonna make it a week because he's gonna try LFS I guess so I guess so happy cuz then I would have won our bet which I lost which makes me, you know sad So Tyler's still on Gen 2. You're still having a good time on Gen 2 Yeah, no, it's actually really nice. I Mean other than compiling takes time other than that. Yeah, everything's good. I Actually have had a better gaming experience here on chin tooth and a half on March, which is very weird I'm shocked that you're still there and so for those of you who don't know we have a couple bets going so We just agreed to a new one every week that he's on Gen 2. I have to remove Linear amount of money from my Gen 2 goal on patreon So next week will be 20 then the next week after that be 30 and so on so forth and tell the point where actually, you know Have been still Gen 2 We also have something kind of corollary to that where if he's still on in two months, which will take us to April, right? I Have been still Gen 2 then in two months I can't speed that up by going to his patreon page And now I know Matt would never show for himself. So I'll do it here for him Please go check out the link in the description at least load up his patreon page Keep it open in your web browser and just consider it. Okay. He's a great guy He could use the support anyway and it goes to a great cause to it's causing him immense amounts of stress There are also perks by the way you get like two or three videos a week early, you know before everybody else Matt's someone who actually properly rewards his patrons, you know I also do blog posts and polls and I'm supposed to do AMAs Like patreon chats, but I don't do those I should do those Because there's like I got a couple like high tier guys that really deserve that But I just have not done it So today and Devon both of you guys who've been around for ages Especially Devon Devon was my first patron by the way. He's still here and he hardly gets any of the perks I got I'm so I mean he's a he's a mod and discord as well So thanks. Thanks everybody who's the patron and you don't have to support me if you want to see me I'm sure Tyler's going to be here two months just using gen two. I'm sure that's gonna happen. Sure sure Yeah, but I mean we all know there are people out there who would much much enjoy the process of seeing you squirm as In the dollar amount increases and you get closer and closer and close There was there was before Christmas before the Christmas law came on everybody kind of chilled out on their their contributions Which I mean happens every year But before that it was like up to a hundred and seventy dollars like oh my god, we're gonna get there Now I'm not so worried. It's okay. Now now it takes all all it takes is just one guy getting a super fat paycheck And being like, you know what that really has been stressed out and working hard He deserves a little bit more stress in his life All right, so let's talk to me about your LFS experience Yes so Ben Who's a fantastic guy? Offered to he's the one who helped me? install gen two as well as Scott and I mean I had I definitely had more people give in but in hell, but He's the main one who stuck with me for the entire gen to install And he also convinced me to try installing LFS because it would be a great learning experience and it was However, after installing it for 36 hours still having the kernel panic is not fun Now granted it was definitely something I was doing I was doing it a little complicated I didn't want to install it on a whole separate drive So I was doing some complicated shit there with grove and everything but it still should have worked and it didn't But I did learn a lot over it I would never recommend doing anything like I probably won't do it again. You won't do it again Okay, so that's why I was gonna ask would you ever try again? And before before I make comments on that ram just ram in the comments Maybe Matt can solve his green flash and gen two answer that question is no that doesn't fix it because Tyler has the same problem He actually has to have two webcams in order to actually get this to work Like just to prove to you guys there's there's the Brio right there It does it does not work on Gen 2. It doesn't well and in discord on Gen 2 is the problem, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah It's this is this is not a Brio problem because I had the same problem like this happens with other webcams too, but this is a discord problem Discord sucks this court it we were going to try something different this week remember, but we forgot it doesn't matter We're going. Oh, that's right. We'll try again next week if we remember Maybe next week. I won't be dealing with this whole. Hey, I just hop distros things. So Talk about let's let me talk about this. Okay so Back when we did I decided I was gonna switch to men jar. I decided I was going to take a tour through the other big arch based distros and I spent a whole month with men jar and it was an okay experience. I made a video about you guys should You know should check that out It was a good experience. I got gaming to work where I was not working on Arco. It was fine Not really my cup of tea. I like things. I like the way Arch itself does updates more than men jar does even though There's apparently a way to enable like a non-stable version of men jar world will give you the updates right away I didn't even know that but anyway, so my next one was endeavor now My experience with the operating system itself has not been bad It things are working fine that I installed the Qtile version the install was really fucking slow, but Whatever I once I got installed everything seems to be working fine the you know, the mirrors are fine and everything My biggest problem has been is that yesterday? I made a video about websites and how horrible websites are on Linux and there's a lot of really good examples And one of the examples that I used was that on the endeavor website You have to kick click three times in order to get to actually downloading the damn ISO It's not a good experience and I don't think that anybody should really disagree with that but every time Tyler every time I mention endeavor OS in a video whether it's This website one or those like I fucking put them in the top five arch-based distros And I got lambasted in their forums like hundreds of comments about how much of an idiot I was because I put them at number four Yeah, like you're in the top five. Okay, you've made the fucking list. You don't it's not a bad thing Okay, I could say something like endeavor OS is the best arch-based distro in the world And there'd still be that fucking asshole in the comments. This is hey, you should say something even better than that I don't know They're the most passionate people I've ever met about their distro And I don't like I'm trying this thing and I'm trying to understand it like I'm trying to understand why there is There are people out there who love this thing so damn much and so far now granted. It's only been two days. I Don't get it like I don't get it. I mean, it's fine. It's it works fine I haven't any problems, but It's not anything special Yeah, it's all too similar to almost every other arch-based. It's an arch-based There's not much here that makes it stand out to me and and there has to be something other than it makes sense that say Oh my god, this is the best thing ever Stop poo-pooing on our website, which by the way, you still have to click three times. You're so stupid It's okay. I just want a bitch about websites here for a minute You go to the endeavor OS website and you want to download it There's not a download button on the front page at all. Now, there's a download menu Like in there in their menu bar you click on that you think well You want that they'll take me the download page, right? No, no, of course It's another it takes you to another page Which then you have to click on another link in order to actually get to those release notes And you do you think that the download link would be right at the top of that third page, right? Nay, nay, you actually have to scroll all the way down to the point where you actually get to a list of the mirrors Now that's fine Whatever if that's really the way you want to do things, but I'm gonna tell you right now You're gonna drive some people away who are either too lazy or too disinterested, you know to actually search that thing out But here's the stupid thing. They have a list of the mirrors on the front page All at the bottom, but they don't have links. They're just text So you can't click on the damn things in order to download It's infuriating and I made this comment or I made I made this video about it and the comments on that video were like How dare you say this about endeavor West? They're doing this so that you have to read all the stuff on the website before you use it Don't you know that are you too lazy to up to read things like first of all? Yes Like that should be what you expect of a new user Especially if you're making arch-based distro like you're kind of trying to tailor to new to arch people. I Gave both of us have given Debbie and shit for the like last year Because their website is horrible trying to find the non frig Debbie and this ISO is a painful experience This is almost as bad I mean, it's not as obfuscated as Debian like they don't have nearly as many ISOs They just have one. Thank the Lord They just have one, but it's hidden so it it's a Not a good experience and the thing is like every time I say something I get comments and like Comments that are like I'm worried that they're going to threaten the lives of my family because I've said something bad about their precious OS And I said I've been using it for two days. It's fine, but I still haven't come across it is anything special. It's just fine. Okay So that I mean the funny aspect is people will most likely continue to do that because I don't We are just such a weird community. The latest community is the only community where the per bait Like it's a it's a very pervasive mindset of like look if it's difficult That's not necessarily a bad thing like if in most other platforms like Mac Windows you don't try and make things harder, which it like that's their whole community is like the people who use those Platforms will argue that they should make it easier to use on Linux. We are No, like I mean if you're lazy like Linux people do not like that. No, no, no do not be lazy So Arco is my distro The thing is like Arco is my thing and I'm biased towards Arco and everybody knows that I'm very very honest about the fact that I love Arco and It's just you know, it's a thing that's out there But I'll also be perfectly honest Arco's website. It's God-awful like it is so bad So and I was honest about that in the video too So I like I didn't just pick on endeavor like I could this is a thing that exists like the art even the arch Linux Arch Linux website Not all that you user-friendly just distro watch Which is probably like the website that most people associate with everything Linux looks like it was developed in the 1980s like It's not it's also not user-friendly. So Yeah, so I Had an experience yesterday and got pissed off at people in the comments Luckily, I did not engage very often like I a couple times I couldn't help myself had to do a couple times, but for the most part I stayed out of it You endeavor guys. I love you guys. You're very very passionate But it's just a fucking Linux distro calm the fuck down. It's okay. It's it's alright Yes, I think you're what you guys's website suck your operating system is fine But it's not something to literally die on a hill over. Yeah Ram Ram just Ram you can Go to the highest Patreon level and then when you click the the that tier you can type in a custom amount if you want to But I don't I mean Just as long as you know that that it charges you once you hit submit, okay There are no refunds. We also we also have to make this very clear You don't refund it and you become a legend. Okay Legend here you do get your name on the the end screen for a whole year whether you support for a whole year or not at those levels so If that's something that's important to you But it would be a constant reminder for an entire year that this person here wanted me to suffer And I and I say like should should you actually do that Matt has to give you like a little personal video. You're like, you know, the first time he's booting out the system with Jen to install. He's gonna do a little personal video. Like thank you for this experience. It's been great promising things I Have said that I will live stream the install so if that ever happens We're in just room make it happen make it happen captain. Let's do it save your money for something better You just wait until payday, I'm all right Okay, we'll be keeping an eye out so That was a really weird beginning to a It's not as weird as the the beginning of the live stream where we're talking about Kim Kardashian and her ass. Yeah, yeah I don't think we were talking. Yeah, I don't think we ever talked about us. We did talk about our sex tape Which is again, it's very weird that we're talking about this in the actual recorded podcast much less the live stream But it was a great beginning If you would like if you would like to catch similar conversations because I guarantee you that's not the weirdest thing We've ever talked about it in the free show. We record this live usually every Thursday around three o'clock now We're recording a day late this week. If that happens. I usually announced that on the community page So make sure you subscribe in order to catch that as well. So Moving on to the contact information in this week's contact information is the last time I'm going to be doing the contact information in this way I'm just going to point that out and there's a good reason why because now If you want to I mean you can go to the Linux cast at org and find all of our contact information there And the reason why you can do that is because there's a fucking website there Boys, he's fucking made it. I dropped the mic. It's there. It's up for everyone to see. It's Beautiful, I mean it is absolutely luxurious it has Taken entirely too long But it is there and actually you want to I will go through and Show this Before you show it. We should just go ahead and tell them it's it's soy deved out. It's got so much JavaScript on it It's the best it's sick. It has zero JavaScript Tyler. Take this. There's literally hundreds of megabytes of It's awesome No, there's when they see the website, they'll be so confused Wait, where's all the job? I'm going to show this now if I can Which I apparently can't where's the main main no camera. I can't I don't actually have that scene because of course I don't Again actually show you so there's no proof What happens if you add a scene while you're streaming I'm just Well, it'll show up as black until you start adding stuff to it and they can see you build the scene from scratch Which is not a problem main Okay, I'm actually do this thing That's a screen capture Me and do Okay, this is this is this really really good Of course, you can't actually nobody can actually hear me right now because there's no audio But that's just there. I just want to show you this. All right. I'm going back. All right, so it did appear. Sorry Nobody in the livestream could actually hear that Because the new scene doesn't have the audio inputs on it. So there's there was no audio input there at all Oh It did appear they do see the website like it did appear on screen for like two seconds But I didn't want everybody to think that was though the stream is broken. So Go to links cast or it's there. There's a website And on there you'll see links to all of our latest episodes right now links to the contact information I will have an actual contacts contact page next week Now that websites up it's really easy to do that kind of stuff I I've surpassed the hurdle of the hard part Anyways, I should actually just because I'm very proud of this Org in the in the in the chat All right, anyways Okay, it would I would have loved it actually seen your face, but I sent you the link in So did you hear that light back in the noise That's very all right, this is a horrible podcast we should start over Anyways contact information if you want to get in contact with us you can do so at the Linux cast on twitter You can subscribe to all of our stuff at the Linux cast at org those links are there along with The actual episodes if you want to see them You can also email us at email at the next cast at org patreon is patreon.com slash linux cast You can support zany by going to his youtube channel youtube.com slash zany og He's also an odyssey link in the video description discord and telegram links are also there in the video description You can I almost made it all the way through a fuck You can subscribe to the uh, the linux cast on youtube at youtube.com slash linux cast Whoo I think that was good. There was some redeeming qualities there. So every week tyler and I get together And we scour the internet Usually by going to omg ubuntu or nine to five mac or nine to five linux. Um Usually that's what that's how hard we have to work. It's usually we whatever the top new story on those is That's what we choose. But I'm just saying this is really hard work. You guys should um You know, I really don't like you telling them my secret Anyways, the news that's what i'm talking about I'm not the one that's smoking weed right now. I'm just Just Neither am I right now Just give me a little bit though. Anyways, we have news Tyler, what is your news this week? I don't have the browser. So by the way, so tyler tell us what your news is Don't worry. I'll explain it great valve boys. They've released proton 7.0 Which is a big improvement um like big So the initial support for eac with a couple games is Um there And completely working then there's uh, they've added support for like local decoding of h264 videos Uh, we've got a new wine at the xvk versions. It's based off of it's improved game performance in Many games and made Many more actually playable such as forza horizon 5 Which I know many people care about that one As well as monster hunter rise Which is pretty cool. And so there's there's uh, a lot more games that it actually does like it has added support Beyond uh the article that I've linked, but um, yeah, it's it's it's a big improvement And hopefully to god valve can just keep dropping new gets like this until we get our uh, our uh steam decks That'd be great Yeah, I'm The more I hear about the steam deck more people actually have it in their hands The more excited I am about it actually Now I'm not as excited about it as uh garner brian is But I don't think that's possible. He uh has made many many videos about the steam deck He's pretty stoked. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm getting really excited about I'm really excited to have that actually in my hands Unfortunately, I'm assuming that's gonna be like late this year Because I did not join right away So that's sad for me, but I am but but on the plus side by the time I do get it. This should be way more games True way more games. So Moving on to my news item of the week. So Let's talk about facebook. Shall we I mean we have to we have to um Facebook and mazilla are two favorite companies in the world Are working together to come up with something that they're calling privacy respecting attribution And basically what this means it would give advertisers excuse me It will give advertisers the ability to check insights while making the advertising privacy friendly So this is an attempt Somehow if you've been understood any of those words I Excuse me It's that when I went really high earlier. It really it really messed with my throat. Uh anyways, um Whatever those words mean they're trying to go through and try to make it so the advertising It's somehow more private And That there's not a lot of details here, but it says how would it work Uh, it would use a multi-party computation to prevent a single entity browser Advertisers or websites to learn about the user behavior, whatever that means Uh, instead of individual results linking to track profile users To attract profile users IPA, which is what they're calling it is a Uh, aggregated system that does not link back anything to the individual users now Correct me if I'm wrong But doesn't this not sound exactly like what google tried a few months ago with the Federated cohort of whatever the thing was Yeah, it sounds exactly like that to me. Oh, yeah, that's precisely the same sort of goal I think they're doing something different, but Yeah, also I'm just going to put this out there the abbreviation IPA just makes me thirsty it doesn't It it doesn't make me think of privacy respecting ads it makes me think of beer, you know And also like I don't know I'm like Mozilla and Facebook are two companies that have both of them like yeah, we're not opposed to censoring shit Like we're not completely opposed to it So I don't know these are not companies and I'm like Yeah, you go fight for privacy Like I don't I don't really really see that but who knows Maybe attempt by Facebook to like repair their image Impossible it would be a death. I mean it would be a desperate attempt like I mean the article references them as a meta And neither ones have it either one of us reference them as a meta because they're fuck They're just not it's it's facebook Screw talking about the news for a minute. Let's just talk a minute about the fucking metaverse Shall we I mean we haven't talked about this yet, but god damn it. We have to Because you can't talk about facebook Metta without actually talking about the metaverse And can I just say that I don't want to be a part of the internet where the metaverse actually exists because this Here's the best example Look up a picture of facebook's metaverse And honest to god if you want to spend more than eight hours of your day in that environment You are clinically insane There are padded rooms that look very similar to that environment that they would be happy to stick you in Like like like it was designed by someone who was actually living in a padded room Exactly I've seen the I've seen the video and it has like a like an avatar version of mark zuckerberg looking around on a on like a Like a video game But not a very like a It's a low poly like a high like a super low poly and it's like right above minecraft in terms of actual like visuals Like you always expect me to get out like a like a cardboard store and start beating on trees, you know It is So bad like and there's a there's a news story yesterday where the like whatever they're trying has like 300 000 users like There are 300 000 people out there who signed up for this nonsense Dude, there's like there's like more like there's probably more than eight million people out there dawg There's got to be at least 300 million of them that are stupid Like got to be makes me so sad for those people. I know how do they walk and talk at the same time to me the The best the funniest example of the metaverse was buying virtual real estate for for your metaverse because to me like I understand like maybe you buy some virtual real estate in some metaverse because you really like playing in it You buy for like 20 bucks I totally understand that because that's like buying dlc for a game that you really really like I totally understand that when you're talking spending the same amount of money that you had spent on a car Or an actual piece of land on virtual land You're insane like you're Absolutely fundamentally insane because it's not an investment. It's I don't care that you can take your dlc to other games like that doesn't matter It's still just it no one it's a stupid investment. It's It's the same thing as csgo skins, man Like sure you might own them, but you don't consider them like investments Mooda Mooda har a couple of months ago talked about earth 2 or whatever. It's that It's like a game developed in unity. It's not that's not actual game But people actually like buy like actual property Well, it's property represented inside the game that correlates to real property on earth, right? And uh, they're doing it like as an investment Like it's all through of course bitcoin and or bitcoin cryptocurrency and NFTs and all this nonsense And that's gonna be the whole thing like that's the whole web 3 promises metaverse and cryptocurrency like, you know We've said a lot about cryptocurrency last week But the one thing that we can both agree on with cryptocurrency is at least the idea there is good You know like even if it has been bow guarded by scammers and you know horrible evil people For the most part um The idea behind a decentralized currency is good. There is no redeeming quality of the metaverse like no And same with NFTs because like I don't think a lot of people understand like NFTs Like the only reason that people will tell you that that they're valuable Is because of the whole idea of the metaverse, which is stupid like What if I like let's say this debit card that I have here. This is my debit card Let's say I have this card and I and I so I tell you that this is a piece of dlc But then I take the dlc And then I tie it to some arbitrary Like amount of money that I spent at some point. I take the receipt I tie it to this dlc and also make it to where the dlc can be used in other places Other than just the game it was made for Is it now Any more of an investment than the dlc was at the beginning Because the money that was used to give it the receipt value for being an nft You don't own You never bought so it's not tied to this thing that money's not the people can use it. It doesn't matter Like so there's no inherent value gain And the only other thing is that you can take it and use it in other games So what like Who cares The problem isn't people spending money on nfts to do things like that like buying a gun skin be able to use in two different shooters That's an okay thing like as long as you know, that's what you're doing is you're spending money It's basically the same thing is buying Coins in a game on your phone or whatever Whatever as long as you know that it's just buying something and throwing you that money away It's basically just for and it's for entertainment purposes, right? It's to make the game fun As long as you're doing it for that purpose only it's fine. It's when it gets turned into hey, this is a grand investment You're gonna become a millionaire. We're going to the moon That's when it's a severe problem, you know, like I hate it at that point It's just it does not make sense, right? So we don't need to get into current cryptocurrency, but The metaverse, um I think the metaverse It just proves that mark zuckberg is a clear and present danger to sanity everywhere Like the man has obviously decided he's going to try to take over the world But he decided that actually taking over the real world is too hard Um, so he decided to create his own world where he could then be the benevolent dictator And you know because you got to buy the hardware to do to actually get there You have to then you know wear the hardware you had to enter his world You know, he creates you have to use his platform his currency You know, you have to go through and uh, he you know, he builds all the stuff inside the world Yeah, he can ban you at any point like if you say something wrong on facebook just Instantly gone not just ban you but put you in like time out like can you imagine? Can you imagine like he says you can still use it but in order to use it you have to be in a certain place which is like, uh Like a really horrible place to look again, like it's like lime green or And everybody's all you hear in your in your earphones is vomiting sounds for the entire time you're in the in the room Like or like, I mean here's another thing like Like do we really want to live in a world where 10 years from now? We're having a bullshit argument of a virtual poverty How someone's virtually Like you know, like they might have good money in the real world, but they're virtually poor as shit Like in a metavert like do do we honestly? Honestly want to live in this world. It's just I don't I don't I don't think I don't understand. I don't Maybe maybe it's just that I'm too old for this shit. Maybe it's that's just it Maybe I'm just too old for and I don't understand. Maybe it's all for young people But I've talked to I mean you're a young people I mean you're at least 10 years younger than I am and you don't understand it either I know I know I know the people older than me don't understand it. So who is this actually for? Well, it's for the very like wealthy people like again if you can like For one NFTs if you if you research them, they are a fantastic way of avoiding taxes Like an incredible method of avoiding taxes completely And then there's also the whole problem of most of the very wealthy people who are talking about the metaverse And crypto not necessarily cryptocurrency, but NFTs and this whole space and virtual real estate most of them are heavily invested in it and Like if you know anything about crypto like Logan Paul is a good example of this So is even Elon Musk like Elon Musk buys a shitload of dogecoin. He knows that All crypto and all all of these different markets virtual like all of this stuff It's all speculative markets like it's all speculation anyway So if a very famous person comes out and says I've invested in this and I think it's funny. We should all do it Ha ha Everyone else is going to spread it around. It's going to get popular And even if a small minority of people start buying dogecoin, which if you know plenty of People a lot of people bought dogecoin even knowing it was stupid because Elon Musk said it they bought it And all then all he has to do is just take the money He spent dump it and he's made a shitload of money and the market will instantly start to crash back down Because he was the only major investor Yeah Yeah, so it's all pump and dump scams always and then we decided to take it into a I'm an imaginary imaginary world Exactly. Yeah What is wrong with us and And whatever it doesn't matter. Okay, moving on to the main topic, which is source-based distros will they ever become popular? Tyler This is your topic. So take us off Since i'm actually using gen 2. I I did kind of want to talk about this I as someone who's having a really good time with gen 2 and really liking Like I really like portage. I really do enjoy the system I still What would say pretty vehemently? I don't think source-based distros will ever become popular gen 2 and Pretty much every single source-based distro even the ones based off of gen 2 that try to make it easier for new users it's Not necessarily easy. It takes a lot more Um I don't know not necessarily dedication But it takes a lot more know-how to get to the point where you can manage your system All of the dependencies use flags how you want to build what support you want packages built with um, I mean most people aren't even fully Don't fully understand packages and the way programs work and what are dependencies I don't think these types of source-based distros will ever take off I can be super popular But I do think that there's a place for a really really solid you like new Use new to source-based distros like linux distro to come out Um, because I've tried some and they're not great Um, so I would be very I think there's definitely a conversation we had over a good source-based distro that aims To be new user friendly Okay, so I'm gonna say never and In no way Like there's no way ever a source-based or to become mainstream like and when I talk about mainstream I'm not like talking like overtake windows mainstream But become become a distribution that everybody considers to be like mainstream in the linux space And the reason why I say that is because the vast majority of people who use computers and use linux even are doing So on the laptop and Using a source-based distro on a desktop Like you're using on a very powerful computer That has you know many cores and many threads and a high-speed graphics card Doing that on a think pad that is 10 years old Is impossible It's not impossible, but it does take so much longer three weeks to compile the kernel. Okay. I'm just It would take you a long time and then the fact that you have to do that for every program every time You have to update is just not feasible for the vast majority of people also It You're you're absolutely right and that people don't know about it and they don't know the complexities in how to do it Um, like a lot of the stuff that you give me a ur has to be compiled Like that's what day you are helpers do right? So a lot of that stuff is stuff that you are actually building from source Even though it still feels like you're just using a packet manager, right? And every time I come across something that doesn't have a binary in the actual just stock standard a ur it Confuses me because like why isn't there binary but also it Goes through and like this thing takes forever. I'm like on my machine like trying to compile on google chromium Takes 45 minutes Right, and there's no binary like there's a binary in the chaotic a ur. I know this and everybody's going to correct me Like I know that but I don't use the chaotic chaotic a ur I just don't so People are going to go across that situation where they don't know What a package build even is they're not going to know Why it just doesn't install in a matter of a matter of a few seconds You know, I think I think the really good points you made there is laptops are super popular Like most people are using laptops And that's good Now brandon's comment is kind of uh highlighting it the problem like yeah So he said it's not three weeks on the kernel on a thing fat. It's only 48 hours, which Only further like fruze matt's Like that thing over there doesn't really it doesn't really cost a million dollars. It only costs a hundred thousand dollars Like still out of the reach of most people, okay Most people won't accept their computer being down for 48 hours Yeah, I mean, okay, that's why it's an enthusiast thing because the When you you do an enthusiast thing It's okay that it takes an investment in time because people who are enthusiast expect it to You don't you don't go into gen 2 thinking that you're going to be able to do it in a half an hour I mean, yeah, I'm assuming that there probably is someone out there who could do it in a half an hour If they have like a really super fast computer or whatever and they've done it many many times before and they don't have to consult anything And it's you know, you know, they have super fast internet Maybe that's possible But for the best majority of people, I mean even in this less successful time Tyler How how long did it take you to get from Downloading the ISO to actually having a workable System desktop everything. Yeah, everything. That was an eight hours eight hours. Yeah Most people aren't going to take eight hours to install a distra. It's just no And and I would go so far as To say the best majority people Are never going to go that It's just never ever ever going to happen and even if they found it away Because like You gotta remember I've only installed gen 2 that one time and it was a failure But there are binaries of certain things right that you can download I Install right so the guys there's binaries of firefox. There's binaries of the kernel Even then But Not even then but If if you just use the binaries that are provided then What would be the point of using gen 2 right the point of using gen 2 is then to control your your Use flags and be able to compile the kernel without bluetooth support if you want it to you know, that's the that's the entire point so And I mean I I'd agree there too. I mean if I was primarily using just binaries here on gen 2 I probably don't know that I'd stay because I don't know that I'd see any point in it. Well, you're I mean you're an enthusiast So you find the fact that you can compile things cool Like cool. Look at me. I'm a nerd. I know how to do this and you don't nana nana booboo you know, I mean You know and and that's a perfectly fine way of Looking at it. I mean One of the reasons why we are nerds Is simply because we know how to do cool things that other people don't know how to do And we can then lord that over them when we happen to encounter them on the internet I mean, that's true. That's entirely the point of doing this stuff There's a reason why The state the the phrase exists. I use arts by the way, right? That's the The reason why that exists is because every time you talk to somebody and if you happen to use arts You have to point that out. It's legally required that you do so because it's a point of pride for those people like it's become It's become cliche now, but when it first started like The reason why people said I use arts by the way is because like oh you use arts. That's really cool I'm stuck on gent or I'm stuck on a boon to you know, that's really awesome that you you spent five minutes You know installing arch You tell him buddy Yeah, I think he just woke up from a nap Like ooh podcast. I'm missing it So I don't know Like you mentioned the the distros that are based on dentu like Calculate and What it's like What's one of the other ones? Calculate is the one that I know that's really popular. I tried that one I did not have any luck with it Um, there's another one that I try if I can't remember its name It's not sabion. No, because I don't think sabion's based on dentu I don't know Scott said record, but I haven't heard of that one. Oh, well, there's also uh, what fun too. Is that is that Is that another oh, yeah fun too. That's it. Yes. I did try fun, too um But even those like they make the installation easier They I don't know that they make it faster. I've never tried any of them So they they make it faster and if they if they do make it faster if they do Remove the whole let's compile everything under the sun thing. Again. I question the reason why you use them right I don't know I would agree So I guess the the the question the answer is no Like it's always going to be an enthusiast thing but Most things that are hard in the Linux space are enthusiast things like Even arch is still I mean arch is only popular amongst a lot of people because of the the meme of using it No Right you You don't necessarily install arch because it's like the best distro or whatever you install it because At least that first time you install arch because it's it's a badge that you get to put on your Your vest or whatever, right? You're like, I finally done it. I got I did it It's great. And that's the reason like I've installed arch probably six times in the last four years the vanilla arch And it's fine but Frankly, I like arch based distros better because I'm lazy person and I enjoy having all that stuff done for me It's just it's easier, right You just take care of it for you Yeah Okay, so that is a very it was a very short main topic, but That's the way it works sometimes. I think we more than made up for it in the beginning And this and we did talk about the metaverse for quite a while. So we did we have we are actually at 50 minutes already So, uh, there was that point right there around the contact information where I lost all the words So the it sounded really bad. I'm sure I'm sure we lost about half of the people that were normally listening to this at that point um But if you're still listening and you're still watching congratulations, you've made it through Uh, the Linux cache to the point where we get to the thingy of the week Now this seems to be the name that I've adopted for this is the thingy of the week So tyler You're thingy of the week I've gotten back into using ranger boys. It's so nice. I don't know why ever left like Oh ranger is such a good file manager. It's so good. I I'll never understand the people that argue about it being python, but Whoever like it doesn't matter people are gonna be crazy There are those people out there who if it's written in python They just won't like it's the same people who don't like electron You know what I mean? Yeah, but at least with the electron thing like you can actually point to that An application that's written in electrons to hey that kind of sucks. Hello discord. I'm looking at you You know, yeah, yeah that thing's written in electron. It's horrible Like we can all say that but python doesn't have the same problem Like yes python is slower than other languages, but most of that is in compile time Like and you're not compiling stuff if you've you're used for the most part. This is you're on gen two Yeah, and then I guess the case that python might be a little slower for you, but for most part I've never understood the ranger thing either like you go to ranger Then you skipped on to nnn and apparently nnn was too slow for you So you decided to go to fff, you know and then you go to the lf which lf isn't actually a file manager. It's just I mean it is but you have to go through and compile you have to go through and add in It's like the suckless version of what hold on a second. Why didn't the suckless guys actually make a suckless file manager? Hold on they might I don't know. I haven't checked I might make one like that was a weird like Trail into that thought right? Yeah But yeah ranger is really good like it has all the features like you think you don't have to go through and Build in any features and you don't have to use weird Environment variables like you do with nnn in order to actually add features. No, it's it's perfect I will I love it's been a joy getting back in and using rain. Yeah, it's so good. I see It's so good that I will I Occasionally enter it out when I don't need to use crusader the crusader is my baby. It's so good But I still use ranger For four or five times a day still just because it's you know, I can set wall papers there easily Usually that's what I use it for but there are other things Okay, so my thinking of the week is a game which I know what you're thinking matt a game Like matt never never happens never does games like first of all I played zero ad with you guys last sunday for like two hours Maybe even longer than that. It was good. I sucked and That's not I actually did good for your first time around you guys went really fucking easy on me Like I'm not so clueless as to think oh, I'm really good at this. I came in second place both times You know because of skill Like no, it's because you never attacked me until the end Exactly But for a beginner you're civil you're sieve by the time we attacked was not I mean dude I'm telling you man. I'm seeing somewhere like they just they don't they don't have anything like we got like 10 guys You did pretty well. Well, I haven't played anymore This week, but I Have plans too. I was too busy doing a website by the way by the way linuxcast.org There's a website there. I just I'm gonna I'm gonna keep doing that for a while because that was an accomplishment I should be very proud Before we move on too much further. I do just want to go ahead This is sadly a little bit of self-promotion But I'm gonna do it anyway just because we might be able to peer pressure matt here We're going to be streaming zero ad later on And play so you might want to peer pressure send matt a few comments messages hit him up on the discord You know just slightly annoy him just a little bit for your freshman playing games with us Maybe maybe this weekend Maybe during the weekend I will I will I will deign you peasants with my with my uh with my presence and Kick your ass in zero ad All he needs is dinner and that he's ready to go the best part about that And I like I I know I'm I haven't got to my thingy of the week yet But the best part about the time we were playing is dt made a second account and came and tried to troll us all And like come on man. It's so not it's not on We we so knew it was him. Oh, it was definitely we knew it was him by the time Because he was kicking all of our ass and the only reason why he he lost was because jeff is like god dear Well, I think it's all because we started paking on it. Like we're all like, okay. We all got to take out dt We got to get rid of him before he kills us all He has the strategy like if you ever play everybody out there if you've ever played zero ad He has dt has a strategy where he'll attack you and then stop the attack immediately and then draw your ass away So that's You're away from all of your defenses and all of your people and then murder all those people and then he does He just leaves like he's he's literally the biggest troll in zero ad I've ever met and like I've only played two games and I can realize this already Yeah, he he will just call your population. He'll just take your people down and then just leave and you're like, uh, hello You know I'm weaker now. You could attack. Yeah. Anyway, it's there. So my thing of the week is Spyro Now Spyro is a like a dragon game. It's You go through I'm only in like the first level or two and you go through and you hunt for dragons that were frozen by You're the bad guy And it's a really big world. Now. I'm not going to call it open world because it's definitely not an open world Each level is highly contained but It's very well designed and it was It's very fun Like you go through and you collect gems and stuff like that and you find the dragons and you attack Some of the monsters and stuff. It's it's very fun Uh, I will say two things about it. First of all the camera controls are terrible in this game Like they're really really bad. Like you control the distance between the camera and your character Based on your where your mouse is on your mouse pad Like it's really weird. So like in order to get your mouse to come actually come back Like the camera to come back so you can actually see Because sometimes you'll get the camera like it's right over the dragon's head Spyro's head And in order to get that you actually have to pull the the mouse back in order to get the camera to Actually go so you can actually see things. It's annoying The other thing I will say is that it does not love this computer at all Every time I run it like it runs fine. Like the the the graphics are really good. I'm getting like 45 50 frames per second, which is fine Um, but the the fans in my computer sound like they're gonna blow up Like it's not it's not great. It's gonna play it all that much But it it was actually really fun and it it's uh, usually comes with the whole trilogy for pretty cheap Hmm does the patreon link on the links cast website work Uh Let me see Yeah, it worked for me Yes, it worked for me. Yeah, so it should work. It did just take a brief second to load, but no Yeah, it worked. All right. Anyway, so that is it for uh this week coming up next week. I actually Don't know what we're going to do next week next week. We should do Oh, let's see should let's talk about rust next week should everything be in rust So we're gonna get really nerdy next week That it should be really fun We'll talk a little bit about python. I'm sure uh because those are kind of like the competing meme languages it seems so That is it for this week before I go. I should take a moment to thank my current patrons If I can actually do this because dwm hates me Um, anyways, uh, sit a dev on patrick l marcus maklin jackson f tool steve A separate island is garrick michael archter and karm day jeremy shon odin martin e merrick camp drashley j dog peter a Crucible dark vented six laddie and primus uh for whatever reason every time I do this on the podcast I can see those names straight through without any problems every time I record a video It takes me 12 times to actually do because I usually stutter on jackson f and tool And then I have to start all over again Well before we end the recording, I do just want to go ahead and say thank you matt I will be very excited to play zero ad with you here in a bit Scott said he's excited to this weekend boys this weekend. So some of us you know Have other things to do wives, you know, I don't actually have a wife But if I had one it'd be a good excuse not to play zero ad with you Today's friday, it's the weekend I know but man, I got work to do because I spent all day yesterday fucking around with a goddamn website You should be zero ad zero ad definitely ranks above work a hundred percent That is not Okay, so maybe it is true, but I will spend some time tomorrow watching some youtubers play so that I can actually get some Tuition here. Okay sounds good. And then sunday sunday night the practice you get this afternoon will be great I I'm not gonna let up because I'm just hoping I'm just hoping you'll just pop in and play with us. I will hang up on you I don't do well with peer pressure. Okay, because I just don't it's all right All right, so that is it for us this week. Yeah, tyler's apparently gonna force me to play zero ad this weekend. Um Um So, uh, we will be back next week if you want to watch this live, uh, I promise you That usually I'm much more put together than this, uh, which Blightingly untrue, but usually I've tried to be anyways You can so you can watch us live every thursday at 3 p.m. Eastern time 2 p.m. Central 1 p.m. Colorado time Uh for those of you there and if you want other times on digits get through that out yourself. So anyways, we'll see you next week