 All right, it is four o'clock and we have our quorum, so we will call the February 22 architecture review board meeting to order. Steve, if I could have you please do the roll call. Sure. Joe Clark. Present. Boulder person, Savaglio. Marcus. Jerry Jones was not going to be able to attend today. Richard Lindy. Present. Pam Langen. Present. Robert Hymerl. Present. And Charlie Wake. Present. Excellent. If we could please all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Mark Son. And so Marcus has joined us. Hello, Marcus. So under item, thank you. Under item 1.3, if any board members could identify potential conflicts of interest for our items today. Hearing nothing, I assume there are none and we'll move to item 2.1 approval of the minutes from the February 8th meeting. Move to approve. We have a motion and a second, two seconds. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Minutes are approved. Thank you very much. Which brings us to item 3.1, proposed construction of a new deck addition and seasonal structure at Parker Johns at 705 Riverfront Drive. If that team could come to the podium and introduce yourselves and then kind of walk us through what you're proposing, please. And we do have the drawings we can pull up on the screen. It's good because I didn't bring any with me. Aaron Sloan with Parker Johns looking to enhance our outdoor seating to better service guests in the two months of summer that we have on Sheboygan's Riverfront. That was a joke. What we faced the last two years was just the water coming up on the boardwalk and pretty much washing out that lower patio multiple times. So we at least land from the city, I think back in 2017, 2018 with the expectation that eventually we would like to add on to that lower patio area and raise it up. So if water continues to be an issue, we're covered from a guest standpoint. People aren't washing out trying to figure out where they're going to eat when we have a full dining room and no place to put them. But they're underneath, you know, three, four inches of water on the lower patio. So that's the plan. That's the intention. The little addition onto the building is a server station. So a place for them to access soda and ice bin, a POS station that's out of the elements rather than having to go inside. And get those items. Thank you. I guess one clarification item. Your very nice renderings seem to be showing a latticework underneath the new deck. Whereas the elevation drawings, I wasn't finding that indicated. Is there an intention to have that latticework? It's lattice, yeah. And I believe Quash has said it's not going to be the prefab stuff. They're going to actually construct it in one by twos. And I know that the city is wanting to make sure that it just stays in keeping with the shanty guidelines. Steve, any other concerns on that? No, we ended up talking to the applicant architect a couple of different times. There were some different renderings. I think in the end it was something to the effect of, hey, let's kind of match what's there. And there was a little bit of discussion on the lattice and what the applicant just kind of indicates is, let's see, the 2 by 12 treated deck choice. So it's directly on the 2 by 6. Decks will not have treated, poles go into the ground. Lattice will be cedar tone treated made on site with 2 by 2 material and will simulate standard lattice but stronger. So lattice will not be diamond shaped. We'll run horizontal and verticals to make squares. So other than that, no, staff was okay with the design as presented. Anything, the only other question I had. I'm sure your architect's on top of it, but egress from the deck. Couldn't tell if there were enough egress points or if it was back through the building. Are there gates to the deck or is it fully enclosed? I think the intention is to put exit off the back as well. And then on the right in front of that server station, there's actually going to be access to the door to the left of that door, which is basically our kitchen door. There will be access there as well. Other questions or comments from the board? Will there be access to the new deck from the walkway? No, they'd have to come through the restaurant. Okay, thank you. Anything else? Otherwise I think it's nice to see the riverfront getting some use. I'd certainly entertain a motion if someone were so inclined. So motion from Pam. Second by Dick. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those actually let's do a roll call vote. Joe Clark. Aye. Marcus Savaglio. Richard Lindy. Aye. Pam Langen. Aye. Robert Heimerl. Aye. And Charlie Wigg. Opposed? I guess we don't need to pose. Never mind. No. Perfect. That passes. Congratulations. Thank you very much. What is your schedule for when that's likely to get built? As soon as they possibly can. I know you plan on starting to move snow next week if you could. So we're hoping, we are hoping. All right. Okay. Thank you. Item 3.2 is the proposed construction of new building additions and two silos at Old World Creamery at 1606 Erie Avenue. If you guys could introduce yourselves please and tell us what you're proposing. My name is Steve Knouse, one of the members of Old World Creamery. I should say the operating member. I'm Jason Ehrens with Distinctive Design Studio, the architecture firm. And little about what you're proposing. Well, the Old World Creamery would like to add a couple of silos to the southwest corner of the building. They want to place them there so they're closer to a new production line that they want to install in the room that's located at the southwest corner of the building. They also want to do a small salt storage addition so they can store salt away from the equipment, which would, salt is corrosive, so it cut down on maintenance and repair costs. Tell us a little bit about the materials and stuff, Jason, what they're doing. So the intent is to make the additions match with the existing building. So both of the additions would have cream-colored brick exterior with tan flashing and copings. The silos would be stainless steel tanks, 30,000 gallon cream tanks. And you had mentioned a couple of tanks. It is the four silos that are proposed, right? Yes, eventually it would be four silos. But right now, at the present time, we are looking at the two silos on the south side of the corridor addition. And eventually two additional silos will be added on the north side. My first reaction when I flipped through the set was, wow, that's going to take some getting used to, but then Steve actually pointed out the silos that were there previously. I guess I'd never really noticed. That said, there was a lot more on the corner, I think, cluttering it up and it cleared that out now so that there's the sign there. But since there were similar items there before, and it's a nice distinctive part of what you do, it seemed to me to be a nice addition there. It sort of becomes signage for the building without being signage, which made me wonder if you would use it for signage at all? Is there any thought to do anything on those silos? I haven't discussed it, but somebody will come up with, they want to put a name or they want to do something. Naming rights. Yep. Can I ask one question? Steve. For the location of the tanks, is it something from a process perspective that's taken place in that area as to why the location over there? That room in that southwest corner, that used to be their blow molding room where they made bottles. We redid that whole room. Now we took the floors out. We put all new floors in there, a new ceiling. So that whole room is going into a new production line. It's out in the market already. We're marketing it already. We're putting butter in a tub. Nobody has butter in a tub. They got butter with oils in the tub. They got butter with canola oil and olive oil and everything. We're going to have a natural butter in a tub. And my kids are in the business with me and son Prairie. And my kids are the ones that came up with the idea. They said the new generation doesn't want to open paper butter no more. We're done with that. We want to put it on the table. They'd scoop it out, put a lid on it, put it back in. So we invested in a whole production line in there. One thing you got to remember, and it's a little secret, but it's known, cream is like a little baby. You get it in them silos and then you got to crystallize it. And you want to pump it as very short distance before you make butter with it. Otherwise the molecules bust open and your yields go down. So you want to be as close to them silos because that's where we age our cream. We'll age our cream in there for amount of time and we take it from there through the butter churn. And unless you work that butter, your yields are much better. So that's why we've got to be close to the room that is going to be put into the churn. And we're going to be within 35 feet from the churn. So it's a close distance. And our other churn sits right above the silos on the roof. So we come down from the roof right down into the other churn. That will be our second butter churn that will be churning butter in that plant. So once we get production done, we'll be about 190,000 pounds of butter a day. Not a week a day will be a good day for us. But we think the next generation is coming out with the top butter is what we need. So that's where I'm at. Jan, we're working on it. Next one over. Next one over. Thank you. So I just want to state that you'll recall that the dean's food plant went vacant. And then we had some good successes with Steve and his group on the Old World Creamery. And we're excited to see their expansion. And I just have a follow-up question to the butter that goes in the tub. So is the butter soft? It can be soft at room temperature. But we're not stating that it's going to come out of the refrigerator soft. Okay. Okay. That's a statement that we won't take. Sounds good. Thank you. We will say it's going to be spreadable, not out of the refrigerator. Good luck with your expansions. Yeah. Any other questions or comments? Dick. I love cheese and butter so much. Oh, Wisconsin. So it isn't going to bother me seeing those towers or silos personally. I think it's great. And Dick had a comment. I moved for approval as presented. Dick moved for approval and Pam seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Steve, if you can run us through. Joe Clark. Aye. Older person, Savagliel. Richard Lindy. Aye. Pam Langen. Aye. Robert Heimerl. Aye. And Charlie Wigg. That is unanimous. We all like butter. Yes. I'm working on that too. Speaking of that, where is like the store in terms of the site? When you're walking, it's right to the right. It used to be the conference room right there. Okay. So when you, which street are you walking in? The front door. Erie Avenue. Yep. How many Erie Avenue? That's on the right side. Little sign. Yeah. Not much. Sounds good. With COVID-19, we took it slow. We didn't want to make a big thing out of it. We just, we wanted a store. And my dad don't like conference rooms. So the conference room. Sounds good. See you guys tomorrow. Thank you. Good luck with the project. All right. That brings us to the item 3.3 proposed construction of a new building additions at Johnsonville Sausage at 3402 Crocker Avenue. Good afternoon. Thank you very much for your time today. My name is Mike Ames. I'm the director of engineering for Johnsonville Sausage. With me, I've got two other gentlemen. Behind me is Brian Jacoby, our senior project engineer that will lead the project. And I've also got Mike Sampson from Excel Engineering. So between the three of us, we'll be able to answer your questions. So first and foremost, I wanted to share with you that Johnsonville is very excited about working with the city. We look at this as a unique opportunity for all of us. Kind of some of the things that are in our intent in this process. You know, we want to maintain our reputation as a business and also as our brand. So that's very important for us. And I wanted to share that. We also want to increase our manufacturing capability in the county. And then lastly, we'd like to strategically grow within this location, you know, phase one being about 20% of the 193, 200,000 square foot that's available that we have multiple faces. I'm sorry. Okay. So kind of what we'll do, this is the intriguing part. We're going to convert a socks facility to produce sausage. You'll, I'm not always sure that that's a great idea. I'll share that with you. However, it's a great piece of real estate. And we feel that it best matches our intent. So it's very much a light duty manufacturing site. We'll convert that to a refrigerated food sausage meat manufacturing process. We'll ultimately start with one line and then kind of develop over time. There is high growth potential that we can talk about at a later point. Ultimately, I think it could be a great opportunity for both the city and for Johnsonville. And then for that, I'll turn it over to any questions. I think our biggest concerns probably have to do with the sight line issues to your mechanical equipment. Generally we're looking for screen. I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. The screening of mechanical equipment and sight lines. Sure. Just making sure those are addressed. Typically we've been pushing for screening on all that equipment. And in your submittal package, it looks as if there was on one of the elevations of wall height being raised to address that. Could I put in one second? Good. Hey, Mike, let me just mention one second. If you wouldn't mind, why don't you just kind of indicate what the addition is, where it's going. And then maybe we could talk about some of the mechanicals and the screening and things like that. Thanks, Steve. That little piece right there at the back end of the building is the addition. So it's 1,000 square feet added to 193,000 square feet building. So we were aware of the screening requirements. And the first thing we did is we took a look at and tried to figure out how to generate screening for this building, not only for the first go around, but as we move forward and tried to anticipate what will happen at this building. And so our first go at looking at screening and the sight lines, we presented a sight line drawing here. Currently all the units are going to be on the north side of the building away from the street. And we felt that the best way to provide screening for those units would be to add some shrubbery. So we're proposing something like 21 trees on the southeast corner of the building where we have a sight line where we could see those units. The idea being that we can screen the mechanical units and do it in a pleasant way. We also did prepare just for discussion what a mechanical screen would look like that would screen both units now and in the future. And to be perfectly honest, we didn't like how that looked. The screening wall would be almost as tall as the building. So the top of the screening wall would be almost at the city limit of 40 feet or 50 feet. And it just, it looked like we were going to show it. Yeah, that's that screening wrong. Yeah. And it's taking and putting a big sale on top of the building. And we came up with that. We sat around with all our friends at Johnsonville and everybody said, eh. So with due consideration, we decided that we could get the same effect by planting two rows of trees right along Crocker Avenue, which is what you see in the rendering right there. And the trees can grow over time. Right now the 14 foot trees would completely screen all the units that are part of this first phase. Those are all evergreens. Yes. Yeah. And they're from the city's approved list. Generally we've tried to have a policy to encourage the screening rather than using landscaping for that. But I do agree that the screening solution here is rather unattractive. Probably a bit of an engineering nightmare too. Yes, it was. And I think for this initial phase, since the equipment is so far to the north, you know, the sight lines are going to be pretty reasonable, but I would have concerns for those future phases and what is the tree height and the density? Are we getting good screening in the future? So I guess probably from the city's perspective wanting to make sure that this isn't understood as a business going to cover it for all the other additions or each of those, I think the city would want to take a look at just to make sure that each of those was being addressed at the time. And it may be that these trees are enough once they're there. Depends on how the timing works out. Yeah. There may be enough time for the trees to grow into the screening solution. And otherwise the building modifications were pretty minor. There was nothing that I saw there as problematic. So any other comments or concerns or questions from the rest of the board? Chad or Steve, any additional city comments? No, I think we've been talking for some time, Johnsonville, you know, just like you're talking about the city is obviously excited to have you guys come in and, you know, and it's starting our partnership and getting you guys in the city. So we're happy to work with you that way. We've had some discussions with the architect and representatives from Johnsonville making them aware of this. This they thought was their best initial response. We can see that. And it was more of what you were talking about. That should there be some things down the road. We might have to take a look at something at that point in time. But at this point in time, we thought this was a reasonable way of addressing the addition that they've been, they're adding and then Chad. So like Steve said, I just want to mention that we have worked with Johnsonville prior to this. We actually gave them a $200,000 deferred loan to help with getting operational based on the job creation. We're excited that they were able to find a building. I know we were working with site selectors and you guys were originally honing in on other areas. And then this came available and taking a sock factory, I guess work. So we're appreciative of that. And we look forward to continued growth at this location. Thank you. So with that, I would entertain a motion from the board. We have a motion. Do I hear a second? Bob seconded that. Any further discussion for the phones? Hearing nothing. Steve, if you can run us through the roll call please. Joe Clark. Aye. Marcus Savaglio. Richard Lindy. Aye. Pam Langen. Aye. Robert Heimerl. Aye. And Charlie Wake. Aye. Excellent. Thank you all very much. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Palast. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Sounds great. Same place. Anything else from the board? Other items to discuss? Only one thing, and I know every now and then I have to be a pain to everyone. But if there's any way, if we make sure we got everyone's contact information and emails, if people can just get back to us as soon as they're available, we would really appreciate your help in that. So thank you for that. That's it. And we are potentially scheduled for meeting again March 8th. Right. Tentatively. Super. So with that, if there's nothing else, do we have a motion to adjourn? And a second. All in favor. Signify by saying aye. We are adjourned. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, guys.