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This brother here. I seen him on stage live on stage man Piper the comedians in the building What's going on? Hey, man, I'm what's going on. I'm here Thank you for having me brother man love the comedians man and some about this platform and the comedians I didn't even expect to be doing a bunch of comedians when I started this and all of a sudden God said no You doing comedian and that's the way it went. I was doing rappers at first. No, it's too much commotion Comedy is good for your soul, brother. You got to do the comedy man stick to it. Yeah That's what happened Say man the rap thing man It was different man because which all man, you know, you know, y'all getting y'alls up front on every show man These guys right here. They have to build it up and it's a lot to go with it Y'all, you know, they at least get y'all $50 when y'all first I hear Steve Harvey say I got $50 to drive over there Right. Okay. Let's get to it. Yes, sir So you are born and raised in Louisiana Baden Rouge, Louisiana. That's right. I don't hear that deep deep Accent that the New Orleans baden Rouge people have because I've been gone for so long I left baden Rouge in 1989. How old were you then? I was 18 Okay, so I left baden Rouge You're still grown enough to hold on to that Couldn't I tried to you tried to tell you know the girls love that I could turn it on and off you know being from down there. Yeah, but anyway, y'all left baden Rouge went to the United States Navy Okay, so were you um? Living with your parents when you were living in Baden Rouge absolutely mom and dad mom and dad. Yeah, I want living on the bridge You know the statistics is always like a single parent parent household and stuff like that. So you were blessed It's very blessed and I don't take it for granted. So that's good. That's good siblings. I have a brother older younger Twin no, you are not a twin fraternal twin. I don't know for real. Yes, I'm a twin. Oh, wow And I have a older brother that passed away, but it was three of us. Oh, okay I've it's three of us three boys and all of us had one girl. So my mom got all Oh boy Wow, so that's that's crazy. So how was it? Growing up with all boys y'all were just rough fighting all the time I know I can't compare to nothing else. So that's all I know. I mean growing up my brothers You don't cause me to fight, but that's just you know, typical upbringing, you know I think you're my first twin on here. I don't think we've ever had an interview somebody that was a twin Yeah, you just never know, you know, it's a lot about me. Don't know, but we're gonna get to it How was it like growing up being a twin? Boy you the boy you the because they always have cuz I have twins in my family A bad one and a good one I'm the good one cuz I'm here with y'all Well, yeah, actually, uh, and I'm uh, I'm the oldest I was Doing my thing and he came along. I'm like, hey, man, come on. I'm gonna show you the ropes So but I don't have none, you know, nothing to compare it to when they come to how was it grown up at the twin? All I know is y'all can You know Not really not really but I can feel when he's not feeling good. Oh, you can yes I can know when he getting in trouble. I'm kind of know and I guess I don't know I just that coming being a twin as well even if you're a far apart like even right now He's still Louisiana. I'm here and you can feel it. I can feel it And I feel all he's been locked up or whatever so I'm kind of feel was you can feel so that's true I've always heard something like that, but I just didn't know if that was for real. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, that's that's real Okay Wow, man, you know you Man, you you you got extraordinary story, man. I mean just talking a little bit beforehand We I mean you when you how when did you know you was gonna go into the military to the Navy? Well, my dad was a Pioneer man. He was actually in the jet magazine as man of the year He was help engineer your free on and academician for duration So he had his own business for 55 years. So my dad always been old my whole life So he waited late to have kids and we his only kids. Well, how old was he when he something when he had y'all Yes, he was so when he died in 08. He was 90. So my daddy been old my whole life Wow, you know what I mean Yeah, so he was an army and Of course that before I was born he used to tell me different stories So he told me the only two things you can do go to college with military. I knew I want to school I want to dummy, but I just want the guy like to study Mm-hmm music with my first passion. I had a scholarship to go to Jackson State Southern Gremlin Baylor School of Music Southern didn't know how good I was didn't really happen about it really pushed me and When you sing it or playing trumpet here, that was my music Yeah, so I read I was reading music play a little keyboard, but I love music love the way it's arranged I could listen to harmony melody Alto sax army. I love anything dealing with music. I love saxophone piano trombone tube. I do it all That's my thing. I'm a background. You still do it now. Not really, but I just love music, you know, but Moving forward I said well not gonna do the school thing. I'm gonna go ahead and go to military. Mm-hmm and Here I am. Wow So but if he told y'all that I mean he told your twin that did you twinkle the military before I did oh He wouldn't a name he didn't do the buddy program because I don't know at that time It was something going on with They couldn't let us in at the same time because the testing or something anyway, but he went in maybe a month before I did Okay, so he went to the same boot camp. He's a right me back then You know you're writing letters. Mm-hmm. He said you gonna you know, you're gonna be all right But the first couple weeks you gonna be wondering what the hell you got yourself He kind of told me kind of, you know Right to get in shade do the push-up. No, that's up. So when I went I was I was halfway there already mentally So I hadn't you know a slight advantage of knowing the ins and outs and know what was you know, what's ahead of me So he went in for a little while. He was an aviation electrician. My brother was so smart. He was still smart and So I went in as what they call it mess manage me special with basically cook Still go to college school to teach all them things and at that age you think now Now I think it I just appreciate Opportunity that I had that the Navy gave me trained me to do what I do and I end up using that for my job later Is the cook that's the easiest job. No, no. No, why you say it like that? It's not easy Why is you I was on aircraft carrier? Mm-hmm. 5,500 people So no it nothing easy about that because now I'm doing mass production when it come to preparing food So now I'm cooking for 5,500 people. We had like seven kitchens on board So now we up you had two shifts and when you out of sea, you don't have days off. It's 12 on 12 off So you you you work in 12 hours. You are 12 hours. Now if you're not hitting the port And you had a seat for 70 days, then you're working for 70 days And a lot of people don't know that over time. It's just what it is But it taught you endurance it taught you that dedication and that you have to be you know You is is all mental, you know, so if you're not mentally there may the drive you crazy So I did a tour of the Mediterranean back in 1990 91 Eight months gone left our station in Mayport, Florida when the boot camp San Diego For one coach to know never heard of Jacksonville, Florida. That's right Right there on the coast, you know, right down the coast of Florida northeast Man, I get them. I want the hell am I getting myself into but I still Thank the Lord every day for that experience that I went through thank the Navy for sending me through such rigorous Training and It helped mold you as a man because the military can make you or can break you And it made me eight years later. I got out and doing a beautiful thing So wow we had a I remember the minister that we had on old bullet His dad it was a serial rapist and he was in the Navy. Wow. He was hiding it Hmm Years ago, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had and today finally couldn't get it and finally caught up to it Yeah, and because they do Just like the police you always hear that they do defend their own Right. Yeah, that blue. Oh, that's Yes, and that and that's what it is at the end of the day. He definitely You know, he needed help, you know and he ended up ended up bumping his head One of the new cities they went to but his son never got over. He's still as a minister I know in Atlanta when we interviewed him it was tough, you know, because he still go through it behind that Wow, it's fear. He got let it go though. I got told Yeah, he's still living I don't know if his dad still live it. I know, you know, but I know he was locked up You know Man, you know, so you went in did you expect to retire? Yes, and I ended up medically returned out of the military. Okay. How long was you in eight years eight years? Yes, why medically because I developed asthma while I was in Anything that happened to you while you in and it's gone service connected then they're gonna make sure that you're good Yeah, right Wow, and so now you when you get out you end up Still working for the state the government the government Yes, and what's the beauty about it that if you work for most government entities, they'll let you Combine the service. Yeah, so I had the eight years Navy and with this job that I got with the you know with the federal law enforcement I can buy those years. That's awesome. I did 25 with the law enforcement tack on that eight You pay for it. It wasn't much but So now it's 33 years. Wow, and that's what I ended up with retire retire man. That's crazy When did you know that you was like funny well All my life I was always been the clown, you know always been You know, and I gotta thank my mom. She's the one that has a sense of humor. My dad was always serious My mama was at balancing. Yeah one that's going you talk to her right now I mean she had y'all on don't even know y'all and just start telling you different stories It's just funny, you know, yeah, the person now she was younger sense of humor. Yes, of course my mom was 22 she had me so Oh, and that was good. He twice her age got you know got some of that chocolate and just you know Here I am, you know so um I guess man, I just I just had the personality to make people laugh, you know people say I can feel your spirit You always just funny. I always outgoing always positive but knowing that When did I know I can just be funny? I don't I can't say a time or date or just Period of my life when I just know that I've always been that guy that just Move the crowd So when people finally saw me doing this for a profession that's it man I knew he was always funny and that's always I was here when I was Guys from the Navy always, you know find out was crazy I was in Virginia Beach with nephew Tommy and the guy was in the audience. I was stationed with in Pensacola, Florida He said man, I knew he was gonna make it. I knew he was always funny And I get that all the time I go different places. I might see a guy I was stationed with Or somebody I know if my own time or whatever that man We never knew that you was actually doing it, but we knew you were always funny. Wow. So Since a human comes from my my family But we always wouldn't you think about it like you had to have that moment where you went on stage and that's another They booed the heck out of you. That's another story. Let's talk about that when they when they uh, that didn't happen Bum when he bombed that didn't happen. That's my first time But when I got a miraculous story that let's talk about 1995 Maybe 96 stationed in Pensacola Bernie Mack had just started his I ain't scared of you too. That's when the death chance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. So At the time I knew he was coming. So I was a fan. I always been a fan of comedy, but I had never been on stage I listened to the Richard Pryor as a real foster big college is growing up back then it was record players You know, we were listening mom didn't listen. They didn't laugh and she's a fan of comedy So she's about the records and my brother we back there listening and he popped on and act like, you know, it was our party, but I knew growing up that there's something that I really just really like So Bernie Mack was coming in town I had about tickets. Now he had just started popping He hadn't did nothing major just yet, but Def Jam put him on another level. So he had to start his own tour. It's called. I ain't scared of you Didn't without his first little first comedy bit his tagline so Back then it wasn't Of course cell phones and where you promote was was feet on the ground Putting the flyers on the windshield And they're going to different clubs and put them on your doors and I met the guy who's promoting the show Name was Cheyenne Godham, New York Brooklyn, New York to be exact. He was in town promoting burning show the show was the next day So he was coming day before show had sold out 4 to 800 people. Hmm, right? He putting the flyers on the car and he put one on mine. I'm leaving the club. I'm by myself. I'm just leaving the club So me him just got to talk and he's had to be fake man Me and his guy just started talking. I said, man, I said, why you putting that fly on my car? Man, I don't even know you so I'm joking with him. He said, man, my bad man I'm trying to promote the show man. You know And introduce yourself. You know, I'm shy man. Hey, man, I'm doing this show tomorrow with Bernie I said, man, I bought tickets to the show man. He said, yeah, man. It's gonna be fun So now I got him laughing for some reason on why he just me him to start at joking Me him just started going back and forth. So my head asked me To ask him Who you got opening up tomorrow? Yes, sir. I just I'm telling you just true story Who you gonna open up for you tomorrow? He was like, I ain't got nobody just ready your personality. We're gonna bring him out And I said, man, I opened up He said for real. I said, yeah, he said, well, I'm telling you right now. I got the money I said, are you up on the money? Just let me give you an opportunity He said, write your number down with my number down He said, I'm gonna call you in the morning. I mean, I'm thinking he's playing. He said, no, I'm calling you. It's all right Next morning phone ringer. He gonna call me on the 835. I said, remember, look at that door At the clock, I said, damn, he's calling me. I answered the phone with no call ID Hey, what's up, brother Cheyenne? I said, well, I took my foot in my mouth. He said, man, you ready? I said, ready for what? Come on, man, don't play. You know, you want to open up I said, man, okay. I guess. So now I'm thinking to myself, I'm taking my foot in my mouth I got to follow through. I'm nervous. You got to find some jokes. Everything. I got the material You were nervous. What are you? I'm nervous in R. Kelly and Court, man. I was nervous What was you going by? I wasn't piping the comedian in. It was just Piper Because Bill Cheyenne could go by your last name. Yeah You know, so Piper was my name and it's a catchy name. Yeah, it is Man, he called me. So I told him, I said, okay, let's do it. He said, I'm gonna pick you up By 12 o'clock, Bernie Fleiss gets in about 12 30 Pick him up from the airport. We all go eat lunch, get something to eat, and then I'll meet you at the venue later on. He's just kind of giving me a tenor right for the day. I said, cool, come give me Come pick me up, man. I was just in the van like this, just looking at the space like whatever I got myself into. What am I going to do? So We get Bernie from the airport. Come closer to the mic. Oh, so we get Bernie from the airport First thing Bernie do is get in the car. He's looking at me and looking at the promoter. Like, who this, you know, who this dude? Who this motherfucker? That's how you talk. That's how he is. And I'm looking at him like, all right, I'm Piper. How you doing, brother? You're like, I'm doing all right. I don't even let you know. Don't see him, my mother hooking jokes. Like that. That's how he was talking to me. So I'm like, man, so now I'm talking to you back to him. Man, that's how me and him going back and forth. Yeah, real cool dude. He said, I'm sick of him. I'm trying to see my jokes. Do your own motherfucking joke. I said, man, you don't even know me. I know him. I ain't trying to know you. He said, I'm the fuck with you, man. All right, man, you had me. He said, no, man, we're going to have a good time tonight. He said, I already know you. So we asked the guy who was and we introduced each other and we talked and everything was cool. We go eat. I can't really eat. I'm just sitting like still nervous. They're looking at him, star struggle. I'm like, wow, this dude was on TV. Well, he a comedian, whatever. Get back, man, to the, take him back to the house. At that time, I tell my wife, I say, look, you ain't going to believe this. And I hadn't told her nothing. She said, you ain't going to believe this. I said, I'm going to be opening up the show. Them two tickets that we bought, give them to one of your girl. She was like, what? You lying? I said, I'm going to be on stage tonight. So check out your boy. That's what I do. How you pull that out to worry about it? Get out my business. What I need you to do, get that ticket away and just give it to your home, you know, when you're hungry. She worked at a hair shop. So she is never running up. Oh, you're going to be on the stage tonight. It's about five o'clock. Oh, you're going to be on the stage tonight. Y'all need to come check on my, man. I bought the show started by eight, eight, 30. So I told him be there by seven. I pull up the line around the corner. Now I'm really, I'm tight cheek. Now I'm like, Oh, should I even go in and what I don't know what? So I'm kept telling me, keep going. Just keep going. Don't stop. And you still didn't write any jokes down. Not one. Moving forward. I get in the dressing room. First, when I got to the door, my name was on the door. My name on the piece of paper. So now it's real. This is, this is real. It's going down. It's my first time on stage, bro. I'm never been shy. And opening for Bernie Macavalli. Who can tell the story? Like, who can say they first time on stage with somebody that, like that famous, you know what I mean? Nothing had to be his faith, man, that I'm here today to be doing comedy. This side started. The lady coming in, who's hosting the show. She asked me a question. Now she's speaking Spanish with me because I don't know none of this lingo. She's speaking English, but she's speaking Spanish because I don't understand what you're saying about what you've been on. Give me your credit. So I'm like, credit my credit. All right. I got 17. I mean, she said, no, just tell me what you've been on. I want to hear like nothing resume what I've been on. She paroled. I don't know. So I'm joking with her. She's like, no, silly. Tell me, I say, well, you can just say I'm a local guy, military at the time. I was a Navy. And she's like, okay, I just, I'll make up. I said, all right, just, you know, I said, tell them something. You know, I'm kind of nervous. Yeah. I'm like, Bernie Macavalli player club. What'd you tell them? What'd you tell them? What's how is something transpired? So man, I'm back there. I'm going and I'm, I'm in a chair just like this. Don't twist. I'm going to say what I'm going to say, what I'm going to say. Now I can hear the people. I can hear the crowd. They got a music plan, DJ getting everything. It's getting ready. It's getting ready. I'm the first guy. Yeah. It had like a little curtain where you can kind of look because I left. Yeah. Oh, I remember. It's going to make you more nervous. Here's the story. Call my name. Come to the stage. Because nobody knew what was, but they still gave me life. Like he, yeah, he here. When I hit that stage boss talk, all the nurses went away. The jokes came to me like that. First time. First joke. I still remember. I said, y'all give it up for Cheyenne production. God can't wave New York, the green brand of Mac down here in this little country at a time. Right. Y'all don't get that much black entertainment stop. Y'all trying to act bougie. Y'all, the last black dude y'all had down here with Charlie pride. I don't do that. And they, and I had them. I grabbed them. You grabbed them quick. Talking about stealing food off the buffet, talking about when you get a whooping, how when you be in the bed, you be crying. You just go in here. All this came to my head. And my set might have been 10 to 15 minutes. Because you're talking about life. You're talking about the experience. And one girl tried. No, I got stuck. I kind of ran out and I was kind of mumbling. And I didn't know which way to go. And the girl tried to heck on me. That was my savior. I said, I got him. So she said, she stood up. You ain't funny. Get your head off the stage. Now, mine, you, I'm in this big ass stage, the spotlight. So I couldn't see it. She was sort of back. I could hear if I couldn't see it. And I just something came to my head. I said, sit your fat ass down. I said, the only reason why you probably hear this show because it's close to the first of the month. When I said that, they rule your way of having ass. I'm out of here. And that was it. That was it. That was it. That's when I started on that stage. Second show. Wait a minute. I want to go back. What did Bernie Max say about you? You did a great job. I still got the little five by eight, but he wrote. You're doing a great job. His picture came back then. You kept it. I got it. Of course. What did your wife say? It's X, Y. This was his first one. I know that. At the time, oh my God, you know, you've all been fine. I never knew. And she didn't know. Nobody knew because I didn't tell them about I was doing it. Right. Yes. You know, impromptu. And all that came to him. And all that came to him. Second, what happened? How long were you on stage for, though? 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Maybe, of course, I don't. It seemed long gone. Because when you up there, it seems forever. Yes. And I guess for my first time, that experience was like, I'm thinking that I've made it now. Not made it, but now I'm a comedian. You know, you can't, you know, I'm answering the phone different. You know, hello. Baby, get this call. I can't really talk to nobody today. You're my manager now. What? My secretary. 10 minutes, now I'm a comedian. So basically, I had to change one time. Now I'm a mechanic. No, that ain't how it works. You got to really study this craft. A guy came up to me. That's what really made me think. I had a manager. Yeah. I had a manager. I had a manager. After my first 10 minutes of fighting, I had a whole manager. A guy came to me and said, I want to manage you. I'm going to put you on some shows. And bro, we going to places. I ain't just saying yes. And I'm saying, yeah, of course. I'm like, okay, whatever. I'm the guy. What you think? What do you mean, right? You say you're right. I'm going to tell me shit. I need you to pay me. Yeah, yeah. You know, now he didn't put me on this, this nicely club. He didn't put them flyers. Now I'm new to all the media stuff with the flyers. He put not all of them. He promoted. By the way, he got posters on them, on the light poles. And bro, don't put all, man. I'm all over the city. Principal episode B. Yeah, yeah. Man, I go to the grocery store. You the guy who burned a mat. You the guy who burned a mat. You what's up? Take a picture. I bang it on. What? You killer. Man, you can't touch me. You take football. What? I'm that dude, man. What? Food with me. You cool with me. Come on with it. Come on now. Oh, what happened next? Next show. Because I know something coming up. Oh, it's coming. He put me at this club. Packed it out. They coming to see Piper. All my Navy buddies coming. The time my wife was having people from the shop. She had posters in there. They coming to see Piper. They coming to see Piper. They got to come see Piper. They got to come see me. Now, mine still ain't wrote an a-joke down. I was just wondering this shit. I ain't prepared myself for this. I am bug naked. I don't have nothing. And are you going to do a 10 minute? This time I'm doing longer. No, I was a hit. This is 30 seconds. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. I need to open up. Oh, shoot. Oh, shoot. Oh, shoot. Ha, ha, ha. People calling me making an open for you. Let me see. Let me get some video or something. Show me something. I don't know what you got. I don't even know you. I don't know you got to do comedy. Are you a real comedian? I'm screening folks. Showing out. I need to resume. I need to see your resume. Tell me something. What's your credits? Right. What's your credits? What you been on? Other than getting on my nerves. So, man, that's the second show. I might have had two people come in and do five minutes sit, right? So I'm backstage. They coming back down. They didn't got my little ward. They got a whole yard. He got to sit up. How can I help, man? Could you close the door, please? I don't want to talk to nobody right now. I'm not doing interviews right now. After the show, maybe I'll take a picture. It's going to cost you. Man, that second show, I bomb so bad. Alcatra looking for me, man. What? That's terrible. Did you bomb? Oh, my God. I thought I was in Kuwait. It was bad. So what do you want to do? What gunpowder rather do everywhere? Get out of the stage. Bombing with a suspicious package. There are no fly lids. Nothing. Get out of the stage. Bro, terrible. Didn't have no material. You ran out of stuff to say. Ran out? I didn't even ran out. I ain't had nothing to start with. How you going to do something? You know what I mean? What's a little bit? I was just rambling. Just, again, I didn't prepare. Wow. I didn't prepare. And that's, I think, what you got nowadays. These people don't prepare. And they see other people do it and look easy. Comedy's not easy. How did you, who did you look to help you to understand how to even write? My guy named Ray Ray out of Mobile Alabama. Shout out Ray Ray. Shout out Ray Ray. How did you find him? Bless his soul. He found me. How long after that, the time you bombed, till that time? But just stop saying bomb. It's kind of hitting my mind. Because you say I'm not after you bomb. No, don't say it so with so much of a beat. Bomb, no. I stumbled. But all seriousness, some kind of wow. I can't remember how I met him, but he was a radio personality. I'm 93B Alex, Mobile Alabama. Now, him and Ricky Smiley was Ray Ray. Ray Ray, yeah. And he ended up passing away. He ended up, all right, Peter Ray Ray. He actually was. You remember that guy named Jermakas Russell, played Alex? That was his nephew. Wow. So he helped manage him. Open Raiders Drafted him. Yeah. Ray Ray was a comedian, but that was his nephew. Dang. He was from Jermakas Russell. It was from Mobile. Mobile. And that's where he was from. But you. But Prince of Colomobile is right there. They're not far. So I ended up meeting Ray Ray. And Ray Ray pulled me under his wing and showed me, hey man, you got to start. Because he saw me on the show and I was okay. Oh, he was there? Yeah, he saw me. Not on that show. But he saw me. No, he wasn't there. He probably wouldn't have caught me in there. I probably wouldn't have met him. But you got away. You just kept going though. I just kept doing it. And they kept booking me. Because they saw the potential. But they knew that I wasn't a real comedian. And you kept headlining? No. No. What am I going to say? I'm ready for that. You didn't even headlight no more after that. No, no more respect for the craft after that. I kept my head out of the line. I didn't want to do that again. Respect for the craft. So I kept doing it. And I finally met Ray Ray. He told me, man, look, man, you got to start writing stuff down. Start, you know, you can be funny, but you got to know how to set the joke up, get your punchline, facial expression, stage presence, know how to work your life, know your crowd. Because your set can't work for every crowd. You got to, but all is going to come in time. You're not going to learn that overnight. That's with anything. If you don't study the craft, I'm sure you got to take this overnight for you got to build this platform that you have. This boss talk didn't happen overnight. It comes with support. It comes with hard work and dedication. And they do pay off. Now look at what you have. Look at what you do. But when you first started, it wasn't that easy. Same with comedy. Same with anything you put your mind to, put heart and your soul into it. It's going to take some time with anything. Wow. You got to understand, man, when you got in there, man, and you knew, when did you know that I killed it and I wrote it and it was good? Maybe three years in. Three years in. That long. Three years in when I kind of like, okay, I got something. I did it. I did it. The hard part out the way, getting on stage. I couldn't be anybody getting on stage, bombing or not. You on that stage and you trying to work them and you, I give you credit. It's going to come. Now, sometimes people just saying, fine, okay, how long you doing? You just, that just ain't you going to change it. You can do it for 10 years. You still suck. That just ain't you calling. I get it. But mostly people that's dedicated to the craft and you studied and you go and do these open mics and you really put the time in, it's going to pay off. Wow. So three years in, pretty much I kind of knew, okay, I got to keep it going. Then I stopped for a little while. Why? I just stopped because life was happening, going through things with my ex-wife. She wasn't supportive. And it just, and little do people know, men and women know, if you have a spouse, the support means everything. You know, you don't care how good you are. If you, you know, care for somebody, you love somebody and that second half is not doing their part as far as supporting. Really, it can diminish your confidence. It can diminish you moving forward. You don't really have the effort to, you know, the confidence to do it. So I kind of shied away from it. Still was doing it here and there, but not like I really wanted to. But when you were chasing your dreams at that point, were you, did you have another job or you were doing? I was doing military. So it wasn't like that's all I'm doing. Okay, so you're still making money. So it's not like money wasn't coming in. I got to keep, you know, no, no. So that was my way of, you know, of getting out of it. Like I didn't really have to be in it. It was something I loved doing, but it wasn't the pressure of, I have to do it. You know, so got out to military and started working with the U.S. Department of Justice, you know, federal prison system. And when I was working there, I really wanted to do it. But I was in Kentucky, so that I wouldn't know where I could really do it. I moved to Texas in 2000, November of 2000, right? Shout out to my boy Ray Ray, Joel Reynolds. He was doing the open mic. 2003 or four, I want to say. He'd open mic over here, just placed off of, off of camp wisdom, I want to say, right across. That ain't what Steve Harvon in with that one. No, it was further down. Further down. Yeah, I forget. It was a little spot right behind that chicken place. Hall of Chicken. And it was a little club right behind that. Okay. He was going to open mic because he was going to K-14, but then that and all them. Yeah, and then it and uh. And Joombo. Yeah, Joombo. That's my guy. Yeah, Joel, shout out. So he had open mic, but I was listening to it on the radio. I said, I'm going to go. And something just hit me. Just go try it. I think I called K-14, called somebody. They said, well, yeah, you got to be up at a certain time and put your name on the list. And you can, I said, okay. Mind you, I'm still not knowing how this, this kind of thing work in this area. I said, I'm just going to try it and see what up. I went up there one night. And again, I had wrote a few things down. A few jokes I was writing. I still was kind of, and I went up there and I killed. Killed. Oh, I killed. This is my first time almost, you know, getting back into this kind of, I killed. So I said, well, okay, I'm still uncomfortable. I said, let me see if I'm really in front of a different crowd. So they got into another club at open mic. I killed. I said, okay. Now I'm going to just go ahead first and see what it do. Junebug said, hey, man, they didn't leave doing that. In fact, Tuesday over the improv. I ain't know what the improv was. I ain't know, you know, he was like, yeah, man, she doing it. I'm going to get you on. I'm going to get you know, have you do a set. So he told about me. I went up there. Killed. Killed. And she was doing every other two. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. I remember that. Every comedian in the city, one of the eight people from all over the city for that. Yeah. Yeah. She had to see the pop. Yeah, going down. All man in the pop. I remember that. Shout to Nenette Lee. She was giving me, you know, she was giving me, man, always giving me props on the radio. And I started doing that every other week. She was doing it. Every other week. And I made sure I was there. I was leaving work. Flying up 635 trying to get to the tenant. And I was building a fan base at the time. Building a fan base. On my name. Yeah. Now I'm knowing all the different comedians, Ronnie. Shout out to my boy Sid, man. And, you know, with Black Run, all the different guys. Well, Black Run wasn't back then. He was, yeah, he was young to me. He wasn't doing it back then. But these are all the comedians that I ended up meeting when I was here. Did you run into Steve Harvey? Because he was here? I wasn't here. No, he went in 2000. Oh, he had left already. Yeah, he had left already. Yeah, he had left already. Yeah, he had left already. That's when him and Chucky Duckie quag quag. Quag quag. Shout out to Chucky Duckie. That's my guy. Shout out to all these guys, man, local. He's a lot of talent right here in Dallas, man. Yeah, he's been on here for Chucky Duckie. Oh, yeah. Lot of talent right here in Dallas, man. Absolutely. I got a question. So after, okay, Bernie Mac, that started out great. Yes. So, and you've been working. Who was the next big artist or comedian that you actually featured for after all of that? Well, to be honest, I have opened for a lot of people. Cedric and Tayna, D.L. Hughley, at the time, T.P. Hearns, Poppin. It's so many that I just opened up for them and never developed a relationship with any of them guys. That's what I was wondering. Just being on the stage and getting opportunity in time. People know how funny, but never really built a relationship with nobody that's real famous. Is it hard to do that? Not really. You just got to be in the right place at the right time. And then, you know, nowadays, you got social media. You're going to know where they're going to be at. You can kind of figure your way through. If you know somebody, introduce your tomb or whatever. But I never really just got close to anybody. Did you ever see Bernie Mac again, ever? Never. Let me ask you this. Bernie Mac was joking with you, but there's a lot of guys that come on here since I'm in the comedian world now that tells me the story of how some of the comedians are telling them before they go out there, hey man, don't use these jokes or that joke. Has that happened to you before? Never. Never. I've gone wood. That's never. I've heard the stories. Really? Never. Never had that. But yours is different too, though. You different, man. Yeah. And I thank you. I hear that a lot that I am different. Nobody can do what you do for the way you do it. Yes, and the delivery. Of course, and the delivery, but the way that Bernie Mac impression is on five, man. Yeah, and I've done it before, man. It's a couple of my skits. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I get it. I do it sometime, most of the time, but. But starting out, did you ever have to, I'm not going to say still, but use somebody else's jokes in the beginning? No. Because I know a lot of people do that. Yeah, I think they do it, don't know no better. But I never had the urge to, well, let me try to. Because I know people in the herd, if I'm doing a joke and I know that I'm stealing it from somebody that's big, people that's coming to comedy shows or comedy fans, obviously, so you're going to hear that. But I never had the urge to steal no jokes to try to get laugh. Have anybody ever stole your jokes? Yes. I'm like, I'm at the show, I can hear you. At least wait till I go to the bathroom. Oh, they do it at your same show? They've done it before, and I've said it a whole lot of times, but yeah, it happened. Did you ever have to address anybody on it? You do. Yes, respectfully so. Because I think sometime when people do that, giving them credit, they probably stole it and had it for so long, they forgot they stole it, and probably forgot where they heard it from. You might not even see me on stage or somebody else, probably stole it and you got it and pulled it, and that happened. You didn't got the jokes so long till you don't even know where you got it from. So I give people credit on that. I don't know. But yeah, you address it, amen. Because when I went to the person, say, man, you know, I mean, he did it verbatim. So there wasn't no switching it up. You had to hear that from me. There's no way you wrote that. What did he say? He just said, man, nothing. I'm working on me. What can you say? So I had to actually sit in footage and say, hey, this is YouTube. Like, bro, this is, I was in Houston then, probably. This is the same joke. And it had stated time and everything. He said, oh, OK, well, my bad. I'll take it out my, oh, you don't say. You don't take it out my, I appreciate that. You know? Say, man, that's crazy. Yeah. I want to ask you about like, you know, today's time, you came in up in a time when you had to hit it, boots on the ground, flowers. You just explained all that. And it was a different time than today. In today's society, you have the Dezzie Banks, the funny Marcos, the Chee Nass Myrons in the country, Wayne's just that they come up off of the internet. A whole different way. OK. And but they graduate into doing on stage comedy. Yes. But they start off doing skits. Like when you look at those two worlds, like how do you look at their comedy versus the way that you guys started out doing it? To me, comedy is comedy. No matter how you start off. If you can deliver on that stage and you can put out, you know, some good quality work and people like your content, they like what you're doing, you know, it is what it is. Certain comedians have issues with it because how they went about it. It's a tool that we all can use. They just took advantage of it and maximize the opportunity. Now, from what I heard, a few of them had, you know, stumbled with the transition from doing skits to the stage. Oh, they do. They do. Yes. And they'll tell you. They do. And they have to respect the craft. I didn't come up doing the skits and straight on the stage. That's all I know. But with these guys, they maximize the opportunity to gain a fan base, which is smart. Now I'm going to transition to the stage. I'm going to eventually get it. Y'all going to be patient with me. I'm going to get it. And a lot of these guys got it now. So I look at it like, hey, I'll knock it hustle. Just respect the craft and know that it's just not easy. When we talked to Alex Thomas, he said that he was, he understood that they do their skits, but being funny for five minutes is not being funny for a whole set. Right. And comedian Alex, you know, Alex Thomas. Yeah. I just did a show with him at the impromptu. Yeah. And he was just, he said that, but it wasn't, it wasn't in no demeanor way. He was just saying, if you're going to do it, you're going to have to bring it. And you got to work at it. Yeah. You got to work at it. This is something new to you too. You coming from skits. Yeah. I'm going to transition to the stage. And a few of them had some issues with not, hey man, I got to respect this damn stage. Oh, no, no. They, they came in. They said, hey man, man, this is, but they got it. Yeah. You know, like you talk about the cause, you want to look at Netflix and he got it. I mean. Yeah. Well, the Netflix special, did you watch it? Yeah, why should I mean it's comedy, but it's, it's subjective. Why, why do I have to say he was okay on Netflix or he was okay on the stage? Why, why do matter where you was at? If you liked his comedy, you liked it. Don't you don't? Everybody ain't going to like me. It's just what it is that come with doing comedy. So us as comedians want to be in his position as the Netflix or the, you know, these show times, all these different specials. You want to be where he's at to say, if you like this comedy or not, that's your opinion. I went to his show in Houston and he, he fills that room up. Them people come in and see it. He has a fan base. It was like 36. Asses in the seats. 3600 seats feel. Copy and Bible. They, this is a business. Yeah. Asses in the seats. That's what it's about. People saying that, you know, he ain't funny. He ain't about to funny when it comes to this. It's about the money. So he funny enough to get the money. He got them right. And you can't not, I can't knock the hustle. Me being as a comedian, he's a, he's a brother of frat. We consider fraternity in this. We together, I'm going to uplift you. However you got there. You there. Yeah. Yeah. When you took 20 or 30 or 635, you got to the same destination. You didn't know where we all trying to get there. Trying to get there. Have you ever done any skits? No. Do you think you would ever get into that lane? Maybe. Yeah. I don't, I don't close the door. No. You see what I'm saying? Because that's a lane that's open to you just like it is to him. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just over different minds there. I really ain't got time to do it. Not trying to make excuses, but that's, and that's work. It is work. I'm just kidding. It is work. No, it is work. So I commend them guys for doing that. Because you got to keep that content going. They can make a lot of money from it. Absolutely right. First of all, ain't nobody built on like Country Wayne built him the way he's a mastermind when it comes to building them skits. Got to give him that man. The only thing I've been saying lately is I wish he would do Buddy on his stand-up, Buddy and Drillp, the people who they see. Oh, the characters, yes. That's right. Yeah. Because he don't build on that. No, he don't, no. He don't build on that. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that's the breakthrough. Because when I had Carlos Miller on here, he was like, why would I go and do what they do when I do what I do? Hey, I'm just going to go up there and do my skits or whatever I do and go on because that's what they come to see. That's exactly. It makes sense. That's exactly. So Carlos, but Carlos, I've seen Carlos do stand-up. I've seen him do both. Yeah. But I know the skit thing. I see him go up there with him, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean. Oh, that's his little 85s. And they all just, yeah, they do what they do. They hang off each other. And they don't even do it like nobody else that you seen. But that's why I say everybody has their own lane. 85 South boys doing their thing. They doing their thing. But comedy has changed, I think, because especially since the internet era came in, people doing comedy are totally different when compared to the traditional comedians. That goes with anything that we're doing in life now. Music has changed. How it used to be. People playing actual instruments. Now, people actually singing, not using voice. So music, everything is evolving to a whole different. You got artificial intelligence now making music. You got all kinds of, everything's changing. Everything's going to change. When I interviewed Phazon, Phazon told me about the fact of what he said makes sense too, though. He said he was on the stage with Bernie Mac. He was on the stage with Jamie Foxx. You had to bring it. Yes. Like it's not the same level as what they do in comedy as right now. He says when you look at, he named, fluffing them, filling up arenas. He ain't talking about filling up no dang regular set. I saw an interview. Yeah, that's on Boss Talk. Yeah. He talked about this. You got to bring it. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Levels. He said Dave Chappelle level is not the same as any other, you know, these. Yes. So Kevin Hart and all of them. Yeah, Kevin Hart, everybody got they, you know, doing their thing. So it's enough for everybody. What Piper doing what I'm doing. Yeah. But Phazon, I'm doing what he doing. Everybody doing what they do. You maximize your opportunity. Now, skits come along. I'm more than happy to do it, but I know it's work. It's creative content. They ain't no. Right. You got people. All this stuff to be successful. Yeah. If you're going to do it, do it right. Now, I'm going to tell you, country Wayne, just use one icon. I get it. But you got it. That's it. He just do another chase. I promise you got a team. Just chase. Chase a bad bunch. I'm sure you got a team now. Oh, it's a bunch of them. But Chase is the one with that damn man. And I get it. I'm not saying all of this. I was just saying just you got to have it together. You got to know what you're doing. You got to know what you're doing. To make it right. To make it right. And he been doing it right. And I had Jesse McDonald in here the other day. Jesse was just here and he was saying, I remember we did a skit in here and he say, make sure whoever's talking put it out. He knew. He already knew what need to be done. He telling us at the time how it had to be done. He's, they practice it so much. It's actual art to it. That's right. And he knows that art. You got to know what you're doing. He's like, when that person talk, go to that person. Don't go. He's like, don't stay on me. Always go to the one who's talking. I ain't know nothing about what he was saying. I'm like, what the hell is he talking about? If you look at a skit, that's exactly what he's talking. And you, of course you know what he's doing. He done it. He's done it a lot of times. He's done it before. He's done it before. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be like, man, what are you doing? But that's not the Jesse, man. That's my guy, man. Oh yeah, Jesse McDonnell. Yeah, my guy. You know what I'm saying? Do a stand-up. I work with him. The bar can do it. Oh, he good. No, I'm not trusting, man. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. I'm not trusting them. I'm not trusting them. Don't look at them. Don't look at them. She got the weapons, but leave that boy alone, man. So give me three comedians of all time, dead or alive. Dead or alive. You're top three. My top three. Richard Prowley. Number one, storyteller, actor. Paved away. All just exactly. Richard Prowley, man. Number two. And he's done in particular order, too. Greatest of all time. I'm going to say burning because I couldn't do three. I do at least four. No, you can't do three. I can't do three. We shouldn't have done this. And I didn't have enough of burning. You know what I mean? Burning that gave you a whole. He gave you what he gave. You don't give me wrong. Boy, he killed the king of comedy. He gave, but burning never really had a special. Never really had, you know. You see his content now. He's coming to it because he put it out, but he never just gave you a whole bunch of, kind of like a lot of these comedians do. So I'll say Richard, Bernie, and a genius of George Carlin. Okay. He was so smart, just intelligent, the way he, his words and how he delivered them jokes. It's almost like you just having a conversation, but he hitting you in your gut at the same time. He telling you, hey, it's a bit about having stuff. Everybody got a lot of stuff. And you got to take this stuff to move it over here, just because you can go buy more stuff. He was always just this guy that just make you think about what he's saying and it's reality. George Carlin, man, that's. Wow. Man, you ever, you have, you ever have. There's so many. I didn't want to narrate down to you. There's so many. It's a bunch, man. They're pale and sad. Man, the boy's different, man. Yes, man. The boy's different. Sad, sad a beast, man. I ain't gonna lie. For me, the king of comedy, it was sad and burning max. Yeah, yeah. The sad and burning max show. That's what they, man. But everybody got their opinion though. It's subjective. You like what you like. Know what I'm, my analogy I use when I say that? I hate liver. Can't stand it, but they're still selling it. I don't like it either. Me and you on the same. I love it. You made my point. Yeah, I don't like it. They're still selling it every day. Children, they make, they make it every day. I don't like that. But they, I bet you go around in the fiesta. I bet it's in that red bucket. It's going, they buying them. God didn't write they buying them. Man, what you like. Man. So, I mean, you, you, you've come so far, man, and did so many things, man. Like when, what is, what is the ultimate goal for you? What would you like to see like in, in your walk, you know, the way you've been doing this? How, how, how I move and what keep my mental state when it comes to this game. I'm not, I don't have a goal. It's wherever it takes me. You know what I mean? So it's like, I'm just going to get in this car and I'm just going to drive. I ain't got no destination. But if I end up somewhere where I don't expect to be, it's going to, it's a blessing. And that's what I pray. Just put me in position. What city showed you the most love? Birmingham, Alabama. They like you down there. I love Birmingham. Do you go to that green chicken over there, that chicken? I ain't never heard of it. What? Green acres. Green acres? Green, no, never heard of it. Man, you got to go to Green. I've been to Birmingham that many times. But just to say, like the city, it's a lot of city. That's where, that's where Ricky Smiley from, man. Yeah, even Birmingham. Yeah. Yeah. I ever tried to Ricky Smiley, you know? Yeah. I interviewed down there. Yes. I interviewed down downtown where the foot soldiers be at. Okay. The Stardome. Yeah. That's the, that, that comedy club is not. They showed you love. They, bro, I haven't been there twice. When I tell you, bro, it is. Shout out to my man, Beanie Mac, right there in Birmingham, doing this thing, man. The Stardome is the epitome of comedy. So you know when you go, you feel good. I love it, bro. It just makes you, the way it's set up. It's like a stadium, you go in there, man. And the people come for comedy. They didn't know me, but they filled it up. They ain't, I don't think they repeat it on the names. Yeah, down there, they not appear on the names. And who, they come to support comedy. They come it. The boat, the first time I was there with Bubba Dub. Shout out to my boy, Bubba Dub. What? That's my boy, man. That's right. He was the first guy to. You like what? Man, I gotta ask you about Bubba Dub, man. Bubba's first take, man. Bubba Dub, first take doing this thing. Cutting up. Man, he humble, bro. Very humble. He's the most humblest young man, bro. Very humble. Shout out to my boy, Bubba Dub. We just did the improv and Houston sold it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Too nice. We did a Sunday, man. I came in from doing the show with, with nephew Tommy Virginia. I literally was on the plane flying in. I ain't get to Houston just, to seven o'clock had to change in the car. Bubba Dub called me. I said, I'm coming, brother. I ain't gonna fail you. I'm coming. And shout out to my guy, man. He sold that thing out, man. Two shows on a Sunday night. And good dude, man. He's my little young brother in the game. Where'd he come from? He didn't even there. But he's a real comedian. That nigga bad, ain't it, man? Cold, man. I know him. I be trying to tell him. Don't put him with the guy. I told him. He do his kids. But he different. That nigga different on this stage. Oh, he different. And I told Faizan. I said, you got to go with Bubba Dub, brother. And guess what? I said, you got to meet Bubba Dub. He want me to feature for him. Because he know my energy. And he come right behind me. God damn it, slammer. He gonna come. He gonna come with it. Man, he come right with it. I'm not gonna stand. Like, go out and do your thing. And he ain't gonna want to do it. He said, man, do you. I'm just gonna come and do me. Ooh, that nigga gonna come. And that's his attitude. And he gonna come and kill it. He ain't never disappoint. That's my guy. Man, what's funny. And sometimes me ask, you know, for, you know. Faizan, what you think about this tonight? He don't ask much. But we ain't really talk much. You got him? No, he quiet. But do you go on the stage? I get him. You hold another person. Man, he learning his groove. Every time he getting better and better. Every time I see him, he getting better. Comfortable, he doing it. So he ain't doing the transition from the skits. This dude, got it. He got it. He got it. He can give you a 45 hour. He just special, ain't he? Straight through. No, he ain't gonna miss. It's some people just special. He got it. Not only do he got it, it's like he do it old school. I'm not gonna lie to him. And he comfortable. You remember what I just said? Yeah, he old school. This nigga come out down like he said. Oh, so, he, boy, what, he 18 something to you? I know you, man. That's my guy. You don't do it, man. But he got it, old soul. Just, you know, he got it. And some people have him. Some people don't. But he's one of the most. Have you seen anybody pick up on it like that, Faiz? Just come with it. Mm-mm, mm-mm. Not like that, because I just met him last year. Good guy. And I feel like I've been knowing him for years. But he's a real good dude. But he's one of the ones that just came along like, wow, man. Like came from nowhere. I never. But he been doing it for a while. Yeah. You don't know that. But I've done it like this for a minute. Yeah. At least five or six years, probably more. So he one of them guys, man. Just a special, you know, just special craft, man. Just do, got it. Wow. Man, I gotta ask you this question. I was announcing everything. Not just telling the girl, man. Humble, dude. Never humble, dude. And his status and his, and look. When he had, he could be out of the woods. He could just, oh, he could turn up. Yeah, he could be out of the woods. Man. But he ain't letting that get, you know. No, anytime I picked the phone up and called that man, he go like, uh, what you need, uh, whatever you need. Balance, stable. Yeah, man. He ain't all that. He just regular guy, man. We went to New Orleans together, me and him. Yeah. I just went down there because he was down there. That's right. Just that we hanging out. Absolutely, bro. Just go to support, man. I'm going to support my guy. But that's what I do, my big relationships. I'm not going to just be, you know, on a show and this. And if I see you a good guy, hey, man, what's that? I'm not going to call you and do a show. Hey, man, how you doing? Yeah, that's it. That's it. How you doing? Yeah. Well, the show is all that's going to come. Yeah. How are you? How you mental health? How you physical health? What a bad kid. Yeah, that's what I'm bad at. Don't you guys going to lay down on me? Come get something to eat, man. That's going to hang out. That's it. Man, that's just how I am, you know. That's it. That's it. That's real. Yeah. And a lot of promoters that I've met along my career, I don't just do shows with them just to, you know, just to say, okay, I got my money now, you're going to see me no more. I'll call them after the show. Hey, man, I appreciate you. That's all I want. I don't take this for granted. You could have had any other comedian. You called me. You called you. You got a list of people you can call. So I don't take that for granted. So I call them. Hey, man, I'm just going to thank you. So maybe a couple of months later, hey, man, how you doing? First thing they say, man, I ain't got no show. I didn't call you for no show. I see how you doing. Show going to come. I ain't calling you because I'm broke. I'm calling to see how you doing. Wow. Because if you good, then I'm good. Are you? What about the most actors are most comedians? I see get into the acting. Yes. Have you ever thought about doing that? Or have you been in any movie? Yeah. Give me the names of the movie. It's a movie that I filmed here called Paradise House. You can see it on Amazon. You can see it on different things. I'm going to say Prime Video. But I've done that. I've done my own special on Prime Video. How did you? How did you enjoy doing it? Like with the acting? It's hard. I ain't say hard, but it's work. It look easy, but you've got to really study and know your lines. And it's an art form, man. It's just like anything else. But it's fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. You see people like Kevin Hartnimm who killed it. And that's another special guy that kids get. I can watch his movie over and over and over again. My wife see me do it all the time. I can sit there and I will watch it and laugh at the same joke over and over and over again. And you like it? You like it standing up? I like the way. No, I like his movies better. But I like it standing up. Yes. I like your stand up. Absolutely. It's a difference from just being real. And that's real. I met Kevin. I don't know. You probably go and you can see it. He did what they call the heart of the city. You hear that? Yeah. He and Black Ron was on it. Yeah. He and Black Ron. That's my boy. And he kept lying on the spiller. Did you watch that show? Uh-uh. I'm going to go watch it now. We filmed it right there at the Black Academy, Austin Letters. And that music upstairs. How was it? Wonderful experience. Shout out to my boy Joey Wells. Joey Wells is Kevin Hartnimm right here, man. That's the guy that does all his hosting when he's on tour. Yeah. So, Joey Wells came up with this concept called heart of the city. Basically, it's going around all the different cities, getting the comedians that hadn't had the big limelight and had the big break. And I'm going to use you guys' opportunity to get a TV credit. And Comedy Central picked it up. And they had three seasons. And what they do is go to different cities and they audition you. And they audition maybe 55, 60 people right here in Dallas. They only picked three. Right? They picked three comedians out of 55, 60. Okay. And three nights of auditions, they had Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night. You picked a certain night, you auditioned. So, I'm thinking like, wow, they don't, out of 60 comedians, all these people come from all over. So, they only had like five different cities. I think they did Dallas, they did New Orleans, they did Baltimore, they think they did Sacramento, St. Louis. They don't only did like six cities, but three comedians out of each city. And they, I got the call. And, and, and he killed it. He, Black Run, and Kilana Spillers. Shout out to all of them. What did you, what did anything, what did Kevin Hart say to you that stuck with you? On that video, man, if you're watching the video, people was asking him, like advice, what kind of advice can you give a young comedian things that you have to do to be successful? He said, just stay at it. When you're on the stage, know how to hold your microphone. Little things, record yourself. Look at yourself on TV. Know how you look in position. He just give me these little perks. But when you interview me, I can tell you polish it. So, I'm giving a burning max door. He didn't get the, and if you can watch it right down. Wow. Right down. I won't go watch it. Yeah, you can watch it. So, he just move up, he's a good guy too. Just down the earth. He can be that. Hollywood, I'm sure he probably is sometimes, but for the most part, didn't feel no uneasy, didn't feel no, none of this. I'm listening, I'm not just, hey, man, y'all come in, y'all. Hey, man, because we had to film the show. He couldn't make the show. So, Joy Wells shot, my man, Joy Wells, filmed it here. And then what they did was made us put on the outfit that we had on the show and it flew us to Hollywood. Wow. To do the interview. Every city was in there and he had props for, like Texas had a big, everything do big in Texas. Then he had St. Louis or the stuff. And Baltimore, he had everybody props in this little big, big-eyed studio we was in. And he filmed it and we talked to him and then he kind of showed the show clips, stuff like that. It was great experience, bro. Wow. What a great experience. Man, man, that's crazy, man. But you've had, man, enjoyed this show, man, for real, man. Dope stories, man. How can people get a hold to you if they're trying to reach out? At Pipe of the Comedian, you can hit me on social media, that's Instagram, Pipe of the Comedian, Facebook, email me at Pipe of the Comedian at Yahoo. And that's where you contact me. Anytime. We talked about last weekend, didn't we? Talk about last weekend with Jolson. That wasn't last, that was a few nights ago. That wasn't a damn last weekend. That wasn't last weekend. That was a weekend this past. Two days ago when it was Saturday. Y'all, yeah, you still, you still, did you take out running? See, you know what? You know me the phone calls I got. You know what? I like to forgot that. Boy, thank you so much. I know you did. Because you was there that night. I was on the show. I literally was on the show. What city was it in again? Crockett, Texas. That's about two and a half miles away from here. Forty-five south going towards you. Madisonville, Centerville, yeah. And so you telling me that you was one that was out there, did you, was you into it? Was you fighting too? What, what, what I'm fighting about? I don't know. Everybody mad at me. I ain't, I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I wasn't, I didn't, you wasn't inside the venue. I was, I was in the, I was in, on the stage, or in where they was, I was in the library. What did you think of when you heard about it? What they said, get out of here. They, it's going out. No, it wasn't, it, to, to, to clear the air. It wasn't a whole bunch of people fighting and nobody, you know, nobody got hurt, no shooting. It was none of that. It wasn't more commotion than anything. People just, you know, trying to get to him on stage. So it wasn't just a whole bunch of fighting and no, it wasn't none of that. Have you seen that video? Have you, have you seen this kind of thing happen before? Never in my whole comedy career. That was your first time seeing it? Ever. Ever. But you did just that, right? Yes, right before we did this. How, how long into his set before this happened? Maybe 30 minutes. He was already on stage. He had been on there already. He had been after 30 minutes when this happened? 30 minutes before this happened. 30 minutes, at least 30, 30 minutes. At least. So I had left to set my merchandise when he got on stage. Because my wife was watching the show. I pulled her and said, come on, let's go. She was right there when it happened. I mean, I wouldn't have a right there where it happened. Where it happened. So when I pulled her and said, come on, let me tell these shirts. She said, okay, I'll go because he ain't really, I'm not really into the show. Come on, let's go. We get to the hall, I mean, to the lobby area. I'm setting up my shirts. Matter of fact, I'm right next to his booth. He had all this merchandise. I'm setting up everything. Then I hear, oh, they fighting. They fighting. I'm like, what the hell? So I peeked in there and I can see them trying to, I don't stay trying to go. I said, what the hell's going on? Never seen that before. So it kind of cleared out. It didn't, it just kind of went away. That whole thing happened maybe 30 seconds. And they shut the whole place down. Everybody was leaving. No, it was just like automatic shutdown. Just people just leaving because. It's over. Yeah. Because he was the last one performing. Right. We, you didn't see him no more. Who came? Got his merchandise. I don't know. You left. I love you. You packed. Literally our hotel was like right across from the, because we had a civic center. We had a nice little venue. Maybe 12, 30 on the people. It was sold out. But they're there to see him. I get it. There was, you know, but he to his office. He said he's not a comedian. But that's the way he, he said he's not a comedian. He says that right. I get it. Yeah. You're not a comedian, but respect the craft. You don't go out and cuss the man out. Okay. You do all that. But comedy is not. That's what he do on his, on his live. But if you're going to do, let's say you book him. Don't book him for comedy show. Well, what you're booking him for? Talking shit. They say I'm doing a talking shit too. And now people know what they're getting. Versus I'm putting them with, I'm putting them with all these different comedies. Now I got a comedy crowd. I'm waiting to be. So when they booked you, they didn't, they told you you're going to be with Charleston White. The promoter called me. I didn't, at that time he didn't have Charleston White when he booked me. Okay. He didn't have, he said I'm thinking about getting them or whatever. So again, that's him. And I was like, oh, okay. I didn't know that he did comedy. Comedy. So I'm still like, okay. But I heard he was trying to get into and doing it here and there. Well, he went with TK Kirk. Yeah, I was hearing it. But still I'm not really. He never seen his show. Not really. I didn't know. I'm just thinking, okay. He popular people know who he is. You know, he had on some points or whatever. You know, we be saying certain stuff or whatever. I get it. Yeah, I'm out there. This is what I did online. We do all that. I'm telling you what he does. Yeah, and I met him. I talked to him when I was down there. We talked shortly. Nothing long. We just, hey, what's up, dog? I'm all out. And I told him, I said, you know, forward if I live on all the time, I was like, we'll, you know, we'll get up, whatever. We never did. But yeah. So my thing is I ain't knocking the hustle. That's what you do. You're getting paid. You don't knock nobody else. I see that. I ain't never knock a hustle. Do what you do. But at the same time, me being a comedian as long as I've been doing comedy, I take this very serious. I don't think anybody can just come out here and do it. I made a post on Facebook saying, well, we make it look easy. But don't come to this craft because I'm supposed to be taking you away from your everyday hustle and bustle. Who's coming to see me? I'm delivering these jokes to entertain you. If I'm paid to see a good talk player, don't tell me you're not a good talk player. That's what I paid to see. And so he kept saying, I'm not a comedian. I'm not a comedian. Well, so that's part of his show. He keeps saying that. He's not a comedian. Yeah. And to his defense, he's not. He's saying that. Y'all coming to see me. Y'all coming to see this is what I do. So they got agitated with him. He cussed him out, hit him with. And that's that's what happened. But let me ask you this next show come up. You got a promoter. He called you. He booking you with Charleston White. Will you be performing in you? Absolutely not. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. Why? I want to be a part of a comedy show. Clowning in the neck of the fool is not. That's not comedy. Now, he, like I said, he's the best he'll say. Hey, I'm not. Right. So he's not bringing. Booking for dude. Book. Right. Talk to shit. Be sure to talk. So he's not so-called bringing down the craft because he's saying all right that. But you're in the crowd. But you're on my platform. I'm not a comedian. Doing what you doing, but you're not. It's almost like somebody saying I'm a come do comedy, but I'm out here juggling. I'm doing something totally different than what I'm out here telling jokes. This is what I do. But if you're doing something different, then do that. That's that's a talent show then. Now it's a talent show. It's not a comedy show. It's a variety show. That's fine. If you say it's a variety show, I'm good. We're going to have comedy. We're going to have shit talking. We're going to have people over here fighting. We're going to have, but if I'm going to the emperor, what you going to the emperor for? But yeah, but another thing, safety becomes an issue too. Your life is there. Absolutely. You don't know who come in and what they're coming for. It's just what you bring, the energy that you bring and what you're trying to do. Because I've been to a few comedy shows. They don't check you or nothing like that. No. Because that's not what it's, what are we here for? We're here to have fun. We're here to laugh. We're here to, and at the end of the day, we done. But a lot of people say that. If somebody heckling you and you just, and it gets to a point where get out of hand, that's different. But did you hear that he was being heckled or was it? They was booing him. He said, I don't care about no boo. Look at this video. I don't see in the video. They was booing him because they wasn't liking what he was saying. And they was like, we're not getting anything. What are we, they was booing him. Because a lot of them coming out to see coming. That's what I'm my point. So I'm serious about this crap. If you're going to do that, don't bring it to comedy. Do it over there. You can do y'all. Everybody got their own lane. That show hustle. So just do what they call a talk shit show. But if everybody's coming to so-called see comedy, but they're coming to see him, they know what he does. You've never seen him online doing any comedy. Exactly. So I understand your point. So why are they right? So why are they booing him for doing something that he always does? I guess they, they, the expectations of him were different. That standard, they was thinking they was going to get something that they didn't ever, they didn't ever got it. And then you also, you start to see a mixed crowd of people too, because some of those people probably just going for a comedy and get confused in the, in the midst of it. And probably, and it was not like I didn't know who we were. Yeah. Yeah, all the crowd didn't probably know who we were. Day and night and trying to get out. All of that. And it was, they was in there. That was a small town. They came dressed. It was supposed to be a Christmas party. Look at the fly. Comedy shows slash Christmas party. After party, anybody can party at night. DJ, the venue was nice. They had alcohol, they had food. It was a nice, great night of, you know, nice event. Got all messed up. Got it. Now I'm going to have to pack a mine, see I'm not wearing a shirt. Wow. Messed up the bag. Yeah, that's how it happened. Messed up the bag. And that's how it happened. That's how, anytime. That's how it happened. So I'm just moving forward knowing, hey man, you have to pick and choose what you do. But again, I got books for that show. Didn't know how it was going to go as far as, if you're going to get it. Once you heard Charleston was going to be there, I didn't even, I didn't back out and say, well, because that never happened. Because he didn't know. He never done nothing like that before. Even the little stuff he been going, he never done that before. Yeah, that never happened. He didn't ever make a lot of people, him talking shit, but not reputation of him trying to. Do you think, because I believe that everybody on the internet, that's a win for Charleston. Absolutely. On the internet, that's a win. But what do you think about his shows now? Do you think there'll be more people? People are going to be reluctant to book it. People are going to be more reluctant to even go. Like you say, your safety is at hand. I don't know what he's going to do next. We don't predict. Well, how do we know what's going to happen? And most comedians might not want to go. I know an audience. Because it looked like when the dude came up to the stage, he wasn't up on the stage yet. But before he could get up on the stage, he threw that thing at him. That was the plan I was telling him. I wondered, is that a salt? He could have said it wasn't. You see, because he didn't get up there until he was, till the thing got through it. Exactly. So what he expected me to do? What would you do? Me? You defending? That's not going to hit you. What you going to do? How do you expect that to turn out? Wow. I've never seen nothing like that. And to me neither. I seen it that night. It got sent to me earthquake. Yes. Trill talk. No pill talk. Send it to him. I was like, damn, what's going on? This is real. He was thinking that. Oh, he got, what? Ain't nothing. He didn't. No, I say it's real though. It ain't no fake. This is, they didn't say. No, no, no, no. That wasn't, no. But nothing happened to him. He was, you know, he was fine. He got his back in and he say, yeah. Yeah. He got his money. I mean, I can say knock the awesome. That's all he cares about. But I'm just, right. But I'm just, I'm more about comedy. My people, comedy. Let's have a good time. This is what I do. We're going to laugh. That's, you know, but all the other stuff now. Man, I, like I said, man, I, I'm just glad you okay. Man, everybody call me. I got so many phone calls. Papi, you okay? They ain't mad at me. Damn, I ain't got no enemies out here. I did my part. I came and delivered. Gave them what they wanted. I'm good. So I, I, I appreciate all the calls. I appreciate all the concern. But Papi was good. You got to be careful on the ride home. You got to be on that ride home. Coming from down in that country. Man, look, I left the next morning by 8.30. Got it early. I ain't even breathless. Not that he got a mouth. Let's go. You ain't that hungry. We fine something on 45. You can get out of here. But now all jokes aside, it was a great show. I hate that. That took away from the show. Because now people ain't remembering what, what their Bible did. Now that's all that's trending. Me and my boy, shout out to my boy Grossman down in Houston. He was a host, great host. That's my boy. And we, we took it to the house. I mean, we gave them what they came for. And then now that happened. Now that wife, who going to be talking about the show now? Saying, oh man, I got what's going up. No, they're going to, they're going to be talking, uh, uh, Charleston going to do about 30 more podcasts. And he's going to go live and run his numbers up. And you going to deal with them no more? No. Check it man. Hey man, thank you for coming on the show man. Appreciate you. Appreciate you man. Thank you for being in the building. I knew, I knew I was going to get them on there that night when I seen them on stage. You act like an African. Did you like that? I love it. You know what I'm saying? Your African imitation is on point. Yeah, I do that, I do that joke sometimes when people like it, but I don't put it on the stage all the time. Straight out of Louisiana and the Baton Rouge. I like raw fish too. Thank you so much. Hey man, you're welcome man. Boss talk man, one on one. One on one man. Thank you so much man. Appreciate you man. Boss talk on the one where the boss is talk. And we out.