 Howard Wigg, Think Tech Hawaii, Cold Green. Welcome to another beautiful Hawaiian winter day. Background. We worked for the Hawaii State Energy Office, and Hawaii was the leading state in declaring the goal of 100% clean energy by the year 2045. Many states have since emulated us and we're on track so far, but we've gone through the low hanging fruit. Now we need to get really, really serious about following the latest in energy efficient technology in order to achieve that goal. And of all the citizens in the state of Hawaii, possibly the person in the lead of the lead of pioneering high efficiency technology and bringing it to the fore, not just for Hawaii, but for the entire world is Mr. Nick Dizon, president of Dizon Energy. Welcome again, Nick. Been a while. Time since we've seen you because you have spent more time in the UAE and the Philippines than you have in Hawaii. I was concerned about your family, but your wife is attending grandchildren, so that works out to an equitably equitable family situation. So you have been since last we met up to some very exciting pilot programs in the UAE and the Philippines. So take it away, Nick, and wow, describe what is breakthroughing here. Yeah, well, you know, the policies of Hawaii with the objective of it's now law about clean energy or 100% renewable by 2045. Other countries have taken an even more aggressive stance. So in the Philippines, for example, before COVID, they passed the law for energy efficiency. It required a 30% reduction in draw or for large power users, or you face penalties because of COVID that was delayed by a year or two. But starting today, or January one in the Philippines, large power users who have been forced to report their energy usage are now having to have to meet that 30% energy efficiency reduction target, or they face penalties. So that's in action in the Philippines right now, with day one being January one. United Arab Emirates, along with the other oil producing countries there, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, they've also adopted very stringent energy efficiency laws and regulations, which go into effect also from now. These are driving customers to find energy efficient solutions. And to reduce your energy load by 30%, there's only one place to look that's at heating and cooling. And the only solution that meets that and is advertised for meeting that target, at least in relations to heating and cooling, is SunTrack. So as you know, on previous episodes of Think Tech, I presented SunTrack and how it works and all that good stuff. I also presented how Carrier Hawaii has validated that SunTrack works. And they've endorsed it to the point where we co-market SunTrack and Carrier equipment together. And we've actually seen where customers in Hawaii, commercial customers in Hawaii, have seen over 60% reduction of energy drop by the air conditioner that the SunTrack's hooked up to, be it a four or five ton split or a 30 or 40 ton commercial split, or a 30 or 45 ton air-cooled chiller. We'll be doing our first 150 ton chillers, several of them this year, all in Hawaii. We're looking to do, we're already doing a variable refrigerant flow over in India with SunTrack, over in the Philippines with SunTrack. We'll be starting that on splits and variable refrigerant flow in Israel and throughout the Gulf countries and the Gulf in the Middle East. So by the end of this year, we'll actually have a greater pace of installation of SunTrack overseas than we will in the United States. That's also because two major fast food chains that I don't want to say their names, but they're very, very well known, have committed to switching all their air conditioning to SunTrack in the Philippines. That's over 17,000 panels that'll be going in to the Metro Manila area on just those two fast food chains. And that's going to be the equivalent of several replacing several coal-fired power generating plants. That's how powerful SunTrack is. All without, you know, so we're reducing the carbon footprint, we're reducing the amount of coal or any fossil fuel, natural gas that needs to be burned. And because we work 24 hours a day, that actually enables wind, solar in particular, to be most effective during the day, towards further reducing energy draw from commercial air conditioning in the Philippines, the US, and the Middle East. So that is underway at this time. So the big breakthrough is SunTrack is becoming pretty much accepted worldwide that it actually works, the technology works. Another thing that happens on the sustainability side of SunTrack is not only do we increase the life of the compressor by order of magnitude of more, we've also addressed a problem that we didn't know, we didn't under, we didn't appreciate how bad this problem was. And that's corrosion on condenser coils. Here in Hawaii, it's well known, salt air will destroy condenser coils. I mean, some of the biggest reasons why we were able to put SunTrack on commercial installations here in Hawaii was the salt air was causing the condenser coils to leak so badly that it only made sense to replace the entire unit. Well, lo and behold, it's worse in the Philippines because they don't have the EPA's Clean Air Act, they don't have the Clean Air Act, they have acid rain. And acid rain is from all the soot from all the cars that don't have catalytic converters, all the diesel, they don't have filters over there or scrubbers. So all that black soot collects, gets sucked by the fans onto the condensers. And when it rains, the fans sucks the water on there, turns that soot into solution and the acid will destroy the condenser in less than two years. So leaking condensers across the Philippines is a fairly common problem. So what does SunTrack do to prevent this corrosion? Yeah, so earlier you had the background, you had the video of the website, the Need on Clean Energy website, and it shows the headquarters for the Philippine Department of Energy in downtown Manila. Well, there's that SunTrack there is mounted to a four ton dyke. That dyke has been running for about two years at around one and a half to two amps, year round, which is unbelievably low. It's supposed to run anywhere from 12th to 15 amps, and we have it running at under two amps. But just as importantly, apparently, is the fan on the condenser never turns on. In fact, they had two teams, engineering and science teams, from the Department of Energy Philippines test the system. And both teams said that they never ever saw the fan coil fan for the condenser go on. If that fan never turns on, it's because the refrigerant coming from the compressor has changed state from gas to liquid and is already at about ambient temperature. Therefore, there's no heat rejection or dissipation that needs to occur at the condenser. The SunTrack has done all that on its own. So the fan never pulls the soot in. So the condenser coil, if you see pictures of it two years later, it's pristine. You can run your finger across it, and no black soot comes out of your hand. So at the military bases here in Hawaii, when they found out that the condenser coils at joint base or marine core base, which wrought out usually within two to three years, that this won't happen because the salt air won't be pulled in because the fans don't turn on, that's got military, commercial facility people across the state of Hawaii pretty excited about this, which is why we'll be doing our first 150 ton air-cooled chillers this year. We expect to have at least one or two major projects a month throughout this year, and that may double or triple in 2024. I expect by third quarter 2023 that we'll see that number double, and it's going to start increasing to the limit at which we have crews able to install. So that's happening in Hawaii. That's going to be happening across the western US, especially in California. We're starting with great guns all obviously in the Philippines, and right now it's winter in the United Arab Emirates. It's actually down in like the upper 60s, lower 70s there, so they're kind of on hold. Things will start heating up rapidly in March. When we installed the first soundtrack in the United Arab Emirates, it was 105 degrees Fahrenheit, 80% humidity on a brand new carrier 4 ton split. That 4 ton split was running at around two and a half to three amps at 105 degrees Fahrenheit, 80% humidity. That's crazy good. And what is the normal amperage under those conditions? Oh yeah, that 4 ton is going to be running full bore, full on. Earlier in the summer, we didn't have it up running when it was 115 degrees Fahrenheit. So we probably would have seen maybe another amp or so on top of that 4 ton carrier, but carrier and dyken I would have to say make the most efficient machines in the world, efficient air conditioning machines. Of course, Hyundai, LG, Samsung, train others are up there, but we've installed on their gear and I personally and my team have seen the best results with carrier and dyken equipment. It works on Panasonic, Mitsubishi, train, ream, Goodman. It works out everything, but it looks like the algorithms and the machine learning in the the carrier and dyken equipment are maybe a cut above everybody else. I'm sure everybody else is trying to catch up, but the firmware software sensor controls and dyken and care makes a lot of the other offerings of software to add on to make those more efficient. I really don't see the a good business model where there's a good return on investment on those software. SunTrack with carrier and SunTrack is absolutely the best. When you're able to drill a 4 ton unit down to two and a half to three amps on 105 degree Fahrenheit, 80% humidity, there's no add-on software. There's no other piece of equipment out there that can get remotely near that. And what is the normal average drop for a 4 ton unit? Yeah, on like an LG or other brands, it's probably going to be between 13 and 15 amps. The carrier dyken might get as low as 11 to 13 amps, a little bit lower, but you throw a SunTrack on the carrier or the dyken or the Mitsubishi or the Fujitsu, you're going to really drill it down. But I've seen a one to two plus amp drop advantage with carrier and dyken in particular. That Philippine unit, I flew into the Philippines last year, April 26, 2022. While I was approaching the airport, dyken had sent a team to the Philippine Department of Energy to analyze that machine themselves and the engineers were flabbergasted. They were like, this is unbelievable that this unit is running so well. In fact, to make sure it was working, they went into the space that was cooled and they changed the thermostat. It was at like 24C, 23C, and they lowered it to 16. That's upper middle, upper 60s Fahrenheit. And so when they did that, the compressor went full blast. The fan started to turn because there was no way it was going to bring the space down to that set point. So they verified, oh, the machine works properly. So they put it back to 23, 24C and the fan probably shut off and the girls in the room were getting frozen to death when they said it to 16, 17C. So it took a while to stabilize back to the temperature, to a comfortable temperature. But yeah, so we had three teams check out that project on the Philippines and we even did a presentation to Moralco and Emser. Moralco is the largest utility in the Philippines and they are under pressure right now because there's almost no spinning reserve left for all of Metro Manila. And during the summer, they go into yellow and red alerts where rolling blackouts have to occur because the ACs are all pumping and they don't have reserve. They've made the commitment not to build anymore coal-fired power plants, but it's expensive to add more LNG and there's resistance to putting more LNG. So they're trying to add more wind and solar, but approvals for that size of wind and solar take time. And even those that are approved are not going to make up the difference, especially in the early morning, late afternoon, evening, when the heat is at its highest and it's sustained and yet solar energy is dropping off like dropping off a cliff. So really the answer to that issue, the affordable immediate answer, is SunTrack. In fact, worldwide, be it the duck curve in California or Texas or Hawaii or anywhere in the Sun Belt where there's extensive solar and wind, SunTrack is the only solution that can address that immediately. Now, Nick, you mentioned the dyken several times and we see that unique looking panel. Please refresh us as to what role, very important role, the dyken unit contributes. Yeah, so they're the largest air conditioning OEM in the world. They're in a battle for first place all the time with Carrier. And dyken also bought McQuaid. I think you remember the McQuaid brand. So Goodman, Amana, American brands, McQuaid, all bought by dyken. And the third largest factory in the United States is a dyken factory over in Houston, Texas. It's only a few years old. They make 400,000 air conditioners a month. I mean, wrap your mind around that. For the US market, 400,000 Amana Goodman dykens are made a month and they sell out. I've been in that factory, took a tour, and then I had a meeting with a senior executive there for about two hours. So dyken also believes that the SunTrack product works. The difference, though, is while they agree that SunTrack works, they haven't validated it to not voiding their warranty to the degree that Carrier has. So the other largest exclusive distributor of Carrier in the world is in the Western United States called Sigler. Sigler is beginning from today across their Western US network. They will be marketing SunTrack along with Carrier equipment across the Western US. That was all initiated by us guys in Hawaii. We set that all up. We set the Carrier while rolling with Carrier Hawaii. Thankfully, Carrier Hawaii has the owner of Carrier Hawaii, longtime Hawaii guy, John Arizumi. He is a strong Hawaii pro-carrier advocate. When he saw for himself that SunTrack works back in 2018, he personally stuck his neck out with Carrier corporate and said, Carrier Hawaii is going to work with SunTrack so that as long as a SunTrack certified installer puts it on Carrier equipment, it will not void the Carrier warranty on brand new variable refrigerant flows, splits, commercial splits, air cooled chillers. That's unheard of. Daiken knows this and they are aware of this, but Daiken being a Japanese company run out of Osaka, it's going to have to be an executive consensus decision out of Osaka that makes that happen. In the meantime, they're watching Carrier get installed with SunTrack. Frankly, the projects that we've been doing, brands other than Carrier are not even invited to propose right now. The only equipment spec is Carrier SunTrack. Wow. Remind us, Nick, what SunTrack does, because I regard that as a secret sauce that brings your amperage down by a factor of seven or so. Yes. SunTrack is a device that's a solar thermal collector, heat collector that goes between the compressor there on the far left and the condenser on the far right. You can see the SunTrack panel inserted in the circuit in between. It essentially does the job of both the compressor and the condenser. You'll actually see the hot gases coming out of the compressor going into the SunTrack and changing state to a liquid. The SunTrack increases the pressure on the gas to such an extent that around halfway, as it flows through the SunTrack panel, it changes state from gas to liquid. When it changes to liquid, it dumps heat at a rapid rate. On a commercial, on that 30 ton chiller, we saw the exit temperature from the SunTrack being around 131 degrees Fahrenheit. The entry, and this is in the height of summer here in Hawaii, where we're in the low 90s. The entry temperature of the liquid, now the liquid refrigerant as it entered the condenser was 91 degrees. We saw a near 40 degree drop in temperature in around 15 feet of pipe. Our MEP was flabbergasted. He measured that again and again and again, but the temperature drop was further verified by the fact that the thermal-controlled bands on the condenser didn't turn on. They didn't need to pull air through there to cool anything because as soon as that 91 degree ambient liquid hit the condenser fins, whatever heat it had left to dump, it dumped instantly. On a 30 ton chiller, the size of the condenser coil, it's like a wall. It's like a U-shaped wall. It's pretty big. You can put your hand on it and the entire surface is cooler than ambient. The other thing is, it's right next to the water. It's Honolulu Harbor. The anti-corrosion coating, which is this green coating that they spray on, normally within a year or two, it's gone. It's pristine. That green coating is as good as it was in the first month of installation. That condenser coil, it's now been there since late 2018, early 2019. We're talking at least three years of nothing degrading that condenser coil, the coating. This is why carrier engineers, they swear by it though. In Hawaii, carrier engineers are working side by side with us to sell SunTrack. Nick, we've just got a few minutes left. I see the rapid, rapid expansion of this technology in Hawaii, which is going to help not just with our amperage, but I think this carries through to the peak evening hours also. Yes, it's the best answer for the evening peak. As solar drops off, the SunTrack, which is working through the day, will work through the night. Later on, if you have a chance, Howard, you can look at the e-gages and you'll see that as night comes, there is not a surge in amp draw. In fact, it stays low through the night. It'll rise again during the day because of the heat of the day. It will rise a bit, but the range of change is very small. We also reduce demand charge. There's no motor inrush current, no lock rotor spikes, none of that stuff. We save money on the demand charge side, as well as the KWR side. I know there's only a minute or two left. If you could put that last website up, I'm actually going to be pivoting my personal time away from SunTrack by end of first quarter of 2023 to focus on what you see there, which is sky sales and need on wind power. I didn't want to create any new companies, but I did in this case because it was impossible to ignore. This is a far superior way to get renewable energy at a low cost, at a low footprint. They are coming out with a 1 megawatt kite. Instead of 1 megawatt of solar panels or a wind turbine, you get this kite flying in there. This kite is considered firm energy like a generator Howard. 24 hours a day, except for a 10-second flight return time, this thing is giving a megawatt all day. We'll put enough of a battery system in so that during that 10-second flyback, there's no reduction of output to the grid. If we have three or four of these flying with synchronization, we'll have four megawatts to the grid, 24 hours a day, firm power for a fraction of the cost of wind turbines or solar farms. Of course, we have a 24-hour production time on these. This company has been around for around 10 years. They started out making a device to help reduce fuel burn on ships. Then they converted it to generating electricity. Most of 2023, I'll be focusing on that. I hope to bring a pilot system to the big island by third quarter of this year. Wow. On that very, very positive note, Nick, we must bid fond adieu, but I'm making a note. Contact Nick Dizon in September and see what in the heck is going on. Maybe if you're up and piloting, we can have a whole new show on that. So on that very cheery note, thank you so much, Nick Dizon, and from Howard Wigg, Green, Think Tech Hawaii. See you next time.