 Hai, selamat datang kembali, nama saya DeJoyz dan saya akan berjumpa bersama saya. Saya ada Sydney! Yay! Jika ada banyak pertanyaan, tolong beritahu saya dan berharap ini boleh menjadi perkara yang berinteraktif. Kamu ingin berinteraktif? Ya, tentu saja. Jika kamu mahu beritahu saya, jika kamu ada pertanyaan, kamu boleh beritahu saya dan beritahu kami. Jadi, kamu akan mencari lebih banyak tentang kedua-duanya dan kemudian kamu boleh pergi ke sggall.com. Dan saya akan menjelaskan dari sggall.com. Yay, Michael! Saya akan menjelaskan dari sgall.com. Jika kamu ada banyak pertanyaan, kamu boleh beritahu saya dan beritahu saya. Saya akan menjelaskan dari sgall.com. Jika kamu ada banyak pertanyaan, kamu boleh beritahu saya dan beritahu saya dan beritahu saya. Okey, jadi Sydney! Sydney akan beritahu banyak tentang pengalaman yang dia berlaku dengan komuniti yang dibuat. Dan tidak hanya dengan komuniti yang dibuat, dan ada banyak perkara yang berlaku dengan KMA, dan perkara yang mitä. Kepadamanya? Ya, dan kakak akan bermula-mula kerana jika dia akan menenang serta langsung ke MSU. Itulah yang saya mula-mula menyerahkan. Ya. Jika kau nampakannya, ya! Jadi terima kasih. Saya perlu berterima kasih kepada Joy kerana kami bercakap beberapa bulan lari kepada kafe. dan saya sedang menulis sesuatu tentang projek ini yang saya lakukan dan dia telah berjaya dalam perjalanan masa dan tempatan dalam RDA LAPS jadi terima kasih juga kepada RDA LAPS Saya minta maaf untuk menjelaskannya Ya, pembinaan sangat penting Jadi, terima kasih kerana orang yang datang ke sini hari ini betul-betul adalah pembinaan casual saya tidak melakukannya seperti pembinaan pembinaan aset untuk membuat gambar dan meletakkan mereka jika ini adalah pembinaan pembinaan Jadi, pembinaan pembinaan yang akan saya fokuskan adalah pembinaan, pembinaan dan ibu ibu-ibu adalah ibu jadi ibu adalah ibu ibu-ibu adalah banyak pembinaan jadi, hanya untuk menjelaskan kerana semalam, pembinaan saya tanya Jadi, apa ibu-ibu? saya kata, kenapa kamu ada dua ibu? ibu-ibu adalah pembinaan pembinaan pembinaan pembinaan pembinaan di Bahasa Indonesia dan Melayu jadi, ibu-ibu adalah pembinaan pembinaan tetapi, ibu tidak perlu mempunyai terlalu banyak ibu adalah pembinaan yang berlaku dalam pembinaan pembinaan jadi, sebelum saya bercakap, saya perlu mengelakukannya apa yang saya lakukannya atau siapa yang saya lakukannya jadi, ibu masih seorang pelajar yang saya belajar sepatutnya dan saya akan melakukan pembinaan pembinaan pembinaan di Universiti Michigan di Anaba dan fokuskan pada pembinaan pembinaan dan pembinaan sekarang, sebab pembinaan pembinaan lebih recent, ia dianggap sebagai pembinaan pembinaan pembinaan ia mungkin berubah dalam masa 10 tahun dan saya perlu menjaga bahagian pembinaan pembinaan dan mengambilkan jadi, pembinaan pembinaan dan pembinaan adalah pembinaan saya tapi, pembinaan pembinaan di Suruh Asia dan lebih banyak sebab di Indonesia jadi, ibu akan melihat banyak contoh tentang Indonesia sekejap di sebuah pembinaan, seperti ini jadi, pembinaan saya rasa saya menggunakan perkara yang salah ibu tidak menggunakan pembinaan ini lebih tentang pembinaan jadi, hanya apabila saya menggunakan pembinaan keadaan saya akan kelakar apa-apa willa jadi, perkara pertama yang mula di Indonesia pada tahun 2020 adalah mempeluangkan mem Ashe jadi, sayaWasS Platform taller dan sebagian ramai mereka ter Bockaaaa untuk selama tepuk aleh tapi kami dulu membuat penerbangan yang memperlukan berkuasa maorder bersama salah satu orang kami erasa Crazy dan takiej perkara yang clerk bahawa anda berkahwin dengan orang Indonesia supaya anda dapat menerima tempat-tahun di tempat-tahun seperti Jogjakarta kerana anda tidak mempunyai kontrak, ia berdasarkan percayakan tetapi saya tidak mempunyai kontrak untuk rumah yang saya menerima selama tahun jadi saya menerima bahawa saya berkahwin dengan teman saya yang nanti menjadi pekerjaan saya dalam projek ini jadi ia sebenarnya disebabkan sebuah makanan sekarang kami menerima tempat-tahun dengan teman-tahun kerana saya akan menjadi keadaan di U.S. jadi ia sedikit susah untuk mengandalkan tempat-tahun bahawa saya berada di jauh sejauh daripada itu dan ia sebenarnya berdasarkan kerana kami menerima tempat-tahun kami berkata, ok, ada tempat-tahun di sini ada keadaan di sini, seperti apa yang kami akan lakukan kami akan membuat makanan, ok jadi bersama dengan 3 teman-tahun Lintan, Agus, yang sedang menerima tempat-tahun Krishna, yang sebenarnya mempunyai tempat-tahun di Jogjakarta kami berkata, ok, mari kita melakukan perkara ini disebabkan sebuah makanan jadi sebenarnya pada awal, ia nampak seperti itu mempunyai tempat-tahun teruk tetapi saya juga terpaksa menjadi sebuah unit keadaan di tempat yang saya sangat-sangat yang dipanggil sejauh sejauh kerana terlebih dahulu saya terkenal apabila saya melakukan pengubahan dan bekerja di Indonesia saya sangat berminat dengan grafiti seperti, saya rasa yang terbaik di Singapura adalah kerana kami tidak mempunyai grafiti di sini hanya di beberapa tempat-tahun dan inisiatif ini terpaksa Gengeng Street Art Project Gengeng Street Art Project dan mereka mempunyai artis ke tempat-tahun yang berbeza untuk melakukan grafiti untuk rumah yang terkenal di Jogjakarta saya tidak berminat dengan Jogjakarta atau Kampung di jalan-jalan ini hanya cara yang mereka panggil mereka jadi saya tidak berminat dengan mengatakan bahawa mereka mempunyai grafiti yang terkenal jadi saya sangat berminat dengan grafiti saya kata, saya perlu mempunyai rumah di sini jadi saya, dengan sedikit dukungan saya, mempunyai tempat-tahun dan kami mempunyai ok, mari kita membuat ini ke dalam tempat-tahun dan inisiatif saya mempunyai propiti medan tetapi ia tidak lebih menjadi tempat-tahun mungkin tidak begitu unik, saya rasa tapi kebanyakan tempat-tahun juga mempunyai tempat-tahun medan jadi pada awal, ia semua terlihat sangat menakutkan pada awal ini, tempat-tahun tidak ada apa-apa seperti itu jadi ia mempunyai tempat-tahun ke depan-tahun kerana tempat-tahun kita tidak mahu membuatnya kembali jadi mereka seperti hibu-hibu jadi kita perlu membuat semuanya kembali dan membuat kita membuat tempat-tahun lebih banyak teman-tahun saya membuat tempat-tahun dan saya selalu mempunyai tempat-tahun jadi tempat-tahun juga mempunyai tempat-tahun yang saya tidak ingat apa sebenarnya adalah sebuah tempat-tahun yang ada tapi saya memang ingat tidak, tidak mengapa, tolong menghubungi tetapi, saya hanya menghubungi seperti 2 minit untuknya ya, tempat-tahun juga jadi saya mempunyai tempat-tahun yang pertama adalah hibu-hibu dan mempunyai tempat-tahun yang saya mempunyai di Jukjakarta dan apa yang terjadi sekarang jadi kita mempunyai tempat-tahun dan nanti saya mengingat bahawa banyak tempat-tahun yang kita mempunyai di atas mempunyai tempat-tahun tidak tidak, tidak tidak sebab sebab water quality tidak seperti itu jadi, apabila kita mempunyai tempat-tahun yang ini saya tidak tahu sebuah tempat-tahun yang ini saya rasa mungkin Adam boleh beritahu saya lebih banyak tentang tempat-tahun tapi sebenarnya ini mempunyai tempat-tahun tidak, tidak sebab dan ia mempunyai mempunyai tempat-tahun kepada tempat-tahun yang berbeza dan tiba-tiba ia adalah sesuatu yang digunakan di atas saya tidak tahu sebuah tempat-tahun tapi ini yang saya teman-tahun menerima jadi semua tempat-tahun yang kita mempunyai tidak ada apa-apa tapi kita mempunyai tempat-tahun lagi dan ada 5 tempat-tahun yang masih hidup jadi terakhir 5 tempat-tahun jadi kita mempunyai semua perkara ini di atas tempat-tahun tempat-tahun saya sangat gembira dengan mereka dan saya akan menyebabkan kenapa tempat-tahun yang ini sangat penting pada sebuah tempat-tahun jok jikada di Indonesia jok jikada di jalan jawa, di mana sultan masih masih itu sangat cepat jadi itu perkara yang menarik kerana kita tinggal di sebuah tempat-tahun seluruh tempat yang berlebihan tapi terdapat banyak tempat-tahun yang berlebihan dan sebuah tempat-tahun kerana kadang-kadang penerima mereka melupakan dan mereka hanya menyebabkan sedikit kita tidak terang, saya perlu mengucapkan kenapa saya juga suka sebuah tempat-tahun kerana tempat ini berlebihan dengan penerima saya sangat berminat dalam tempat-tahun jadi sebahaya sebahaya sebahaya pengalaman sebut untuk mengusahkan tempat-tahun dan cuba mengingatkan apa yang mereka katakan, bagaimana kita boleh membantu seorang aktivista. Tetapi juga kerana keadaan transnational adalah bahawa saya berada di Singapura hanya beberapa bulan di Indonesia. Bukan banyak keadaan ethnografi yang anda boleh lakukan jika anda tidak berada di sana untuk masa yang lama. Jadi, terutamanya hanya menjadi sebuah teman saya yang menggunakan spesial kami untuk menghubungi rancangan mereka dan sebagainya. Saya akan tunjukkan beberapa gambar untuk anda. Ini adalah penat. Banyak penat sangat bagus. Tetapi beberapa bahagia adalah lebih teruk daripada sebagainya kerana beberapa bahagia terdengar dari kemikiran dan sebagainya. Jadi, sedikit tentang joktakara. Joktakara adalah di Central Java jika anda berada di Indonesia. Dan itu adalah di mana mereka mempunyai banyak universiti. Dan banyak pelajar dan artis yang tinggal di Joktakara kerana ia masih bergantung. Anda akan melihat banyak bahagian besar di Joktakara dan anda akan melihat di Singapura. Saya pasti boleh berkata itu kerana saya percaya itu benar-benar. Saya juga ada seorang pelajar yang tidak terlalu menarik, saya rasa. Kemudian, lagi-lalu, bahagian-banana juga kita ada. Negara kami hanya beri kita bahagian-banana 3. Kerana ia sangat berkembang bahagian yang berkomunikasi dengan anda. Biar saya membuat logo teman kami yang berada di SA1 juga. Membuat logo untuk kami. Saya perlu berkata sedikit tentang Izzra kerana dia juga membuat perkara lain untuk kami. Saya suka perkara Joktakara adalah bahawa selalu ada sebuah sistem dekat yang anda boleh tanya seseorang untuk... Saya tidak akan cuba mengalami perkara ini. Saya rasa ini yang saya mengalami. Jadi, tidak ada apa-apa tentang akademik dan tidak ada apa-apa untuk menjadi kritis. Saya rasa ini adalah cara saya rasa seseorang beri saya sesuatu dan setelah masa lama, saya akan beri mereka sesuatu. Jadi, ia seperti bahagian yang menikmati bahagian yang berlaku. Kemudian, kami mempunyai lebih banyak perempuan. Mereka bergerak lebih banyak. Setiap kali saya kembali tiga bulan lalu, ia menjadi lebih banyak perempuan. Ia menjadi sangat susah untuk mengawal beberapa perkara bambu yang kami melakukan juga. Lebih banyak. Dan ada sebuah perempuan yang keluar dari nowhere. Saya tidak tahu kenapa ia berakhir di sana. Pertanyaan yang menarik adalah kerana kami bekerja dengan beberapa orang permainan permainan. Perempuan bekerja dengan permainan permainan. Mereka selalu datang ke tempat kami. Dia kata, di mana perempuan? Kemudian, kenapa perempuan anda seperti itu? Saya tidak fikir perempuan anda bergerak dengan sebuah perempuan. Jadi, kami mempunyai banyak konsultasi dan orang-orang berjalan-jalan. Saya rasa anda melakukannya. Saya rasa anda melakukannya. Jadi, ia sangat menarik bagaimana kami berada di mana kerana ada banyak artis dan orang yang berjalan-jalan dengan permainan permainan. Kami mempunyai perempuan kami sendiri. Perempuan perempuan. Jadi, saya bermakna, ia sedia untuk mencari perkara ini di Indonesia. Paling kurang di Jakarta. Anda boleh berjalan-jalan saja. Anda akan mencari sebuah perempuan yang berlaku. Anda boleh membuat perempuan itu. Anda hanya mengambil mereka balik. Itu tidak berlaku. Sebenarnya, lebih keras daripada membeli perempuan yang sudah dibuat. Jadi, Jadi, anda membuat perempuan untuk membuat perempuan itu? Ya, kami membuat perempuan sendiri. Jadi, kami hanya membuat perempuan. Dan kami membuat perempuan sendiri. Kami membuat perempuan. Tapi, beberapa perempuan sudah membuat yang tidak lebih seronok di beberapa perjalanan. Kami juga membuat perempuan. Dan, saya kata, kami tidak membuat perempuan lagi kerana melihat kicapur yang menarik. Tidak ada apa-apa. Tidak ada apa-apa yang menarik. Di sini, anda akan melihat sesuatu yang terkenal di Indonesia, namanya Anggumera. Dan, ini akan berlaku pada masanya nanti apabila saya bercakap tentang sebuah kacau dan alcoh yang membuat di Indonesia. Saya rasa beberapa kawan kita dari Indonesia akan tahu itu lebih baik daripada saya. Jadi, Ya. Jadi, perempuan itu seperti ini apabila anda mempunyai bahagian yang panjang dan semuanya saja berlaku. Maksud saya, saya hanya cuba menunjukkan perempuan yang terkenal di sekitar rumah kita. Jadi, kita ada kawan, kawan-kawan yang menarik, kerana kadang-kadang saya menarik. Kemudian, kita ada kawan-kawan yang menarik untuk keadaan, dan saya hanya menolak mereka untuk keadaan kita. Kita boleh menarik keadaan yang berlaku. Ini ibu kawan saya. Ibu kawan-kawan saya. Ibu kata, sebenarnya, bersama sebuah kawan-kawan yang lain. Dan, Ya. Ibu kawan-kawan yang lain. Ibu bantu saya dengan semuanya. Semuanya yang saya lakukan, Ibu bantu saya. Dan, Ya, yang ini, bukan yang ini. Yang ini. Ya, kawan-kawan yang lain. Saya bermaksud, dia ibu kawan-kawan saya. Tapi, saya hanya dapat melihat kawan-kawan yang terkenal. Sangat bagus. Saya akan menunjukkan dia. Ya, saya bukan gambar yang terbaik untuk dia. Sudah tentu tidak. Neil adalah kawan saya. Dia datang ke tempat saya, kerana, dia ingin tahu, bagaimana anda menerima perkara ini dan bagaimana anda menerima perkara ini. Ini yang kita lakukan kerana saya pergi. Saya seorang. Walaupun jika saya bercakap dengan Bahasa Asia, saya belajar bagaimana saya bercakap dengan Bahasa Asia. Sebenarnya, saya tidak tahu kenapa. Atau mungkin bahasa Rumah berjaya dengan cepat. Di sebuah area yang saya tinggalkan. Semua orang tahu bahawa saya adalah kawan-kawan. Jadi, mereka selalu datang ke tempat kita dan melihat apa yang kita lakukan. Dan berkata, oh ya, kita lakukan perkara ini. Seperti sebuah makanan. Seperti sebuah laborat, apa yang anda lakukan? Jadi, banyak orang datang ke tempat ini dan melihat atau, mungkin mereka meletakkan sesuatu. Sebab itu, kita mempunyai sesuatu. Jadi, saya tidak tahu. Jadi, orang kawan-kawan, mereka mempunyai bahasa Rumah berjaya di depan kita. Jadi, mereka selalu datang dan memperkenalkan bahasa Rumah di depan tempat kita. Banyak-banyak. Dan anda tidak tanya untuk memperkenalkan, anda hanya tidak tanya. Sebenarnya, orang-orang dan pribadi, ia sedikit lebih berlainan, saya rasa, di Jakarta. Dan tentu saja, bahasa Rumah datang ke elektronik. Sebenarnya, ini adalah bahasa inisial. Kita hanya mempunyai sebuah tabar. Dan, kami bermain dengan, kami bermain banyak, dengan sebuah elektronik, saya rasa, dalam beberapa jalan. Dan, membuang elektronik di Indonesia, tentu saja, adalah sebuah fantasy gigi, kerana ia sangat berlainan. Dan, mungkin tidak terlalu berlainan, tetapi lebih berlainan di Jakarta. Jadi, anda tidak dapat semua bahagian, tetapi, LED, untuk kala-LED, hanya berlainan, mungkin $0.10. $0.10 atau $0.20? Ya, jadi, sangat berlainan. Jadi, tentu saja, saya sangat gembira ketika saya ada di sana. Dan tentu saja, saya juga compil dan saya juga mempunyai beberapa buah ekshibiti saya akan menunjukkan nanti. Kemudian itu, ok, perempuan itu perlu pergi. Perempuan itu perlu pergi. Jadi kita menghubungkannya. Kemudian kita membuat perjalanan kita sendiri. Dan kemudian perempuan berhenti datang. Jadi apabila kita membuat perjalanan kita, tiada apa-apa pun yang perempuan tidak datang lagi. Mereka nampak sebagai indikasi kita cuba menjaga perjalanan kita. Jadi perempuan saya, dua perempuan saya, dua anak-anak yang selalu membantu saya berhenti datang. Kerana mereka berfikir kita tidak akan datang lagi. Mereka masih terbuka. Jadi salah satu perempuan kita telah menghubungkan pada tahun lalu adalah Pasar Tonggol, maksudnya sebuah perempuan. Mereka ada banyak perempuan di sekitar Jukjuka. Mereka akan mempunyai perempuan perempuan atau perempuan perempuan. Seperti perempuan popular di Singapura, perempuan yang luar biasa, perempuan organik, etc. Di Indonesia, perempuan yang sangat berguna, perempuan yang sangat berguna, pada kekal di Jukjuka. Saya tidak boleh kata untuk Surabaya atau Jakarta, tetapi di Jakarta, perempuan yang sangat berguna, kerana mereka selalu mempunyai perempuan perempuan yang selalu berguna, semua perempuan mereka akan menggunakan salah satu rumah untuk membuat ke dalam perempuan perempuan yang mempunyai perempuan perempuan. Jadi kami mula membuat yang sama. Sebenarnya, saya rasa, perempuan perempuan saya berguna, dan kami juga mempunyai perempuan yang baik. Kami juga membuat perempuan perempuan, yang sebenarnya adalah perempuan besar. Jika saya ingat tidak salah, perempuan perempuan hanya $25. Dan kami menggunakan cara perempuan yang membuat perempuan di Indonesia, adalah perempuan yang dipunyai RT atau RW. Dan kami perlu tanya, bagaimana perempuan yang membuat RT? Berapa banyak? 30? Ya. Ya, saya ingat, RT adalah sekitar 10 perempuan. Kami mempunyai sekitar 4-5 perempuan, yang bermakna 50 perempuan. Jadi kami perlu tanya perempuan RT, yang mengambil kata-kata kita untuk memiliki kata-kata ini. Kami mempunyai perempuan yang membuat perempuan yang membuat kata-kata ini. Kami tak pernah membuat kata-kata ini. Dan ini salah satu kawan kita, yang membuat perempuan yang membuat perempuan di Indonesia. Pertama-tama perempuan di Indonesia adalah sempurna. Maksud saya, saya membuat perempuan yang membuat perempuan di Indonesia. Ia dipanggil Ragi. Saya menemukan Ragi. Perempuan yang mempunyai perempuan yang membuat perempuan yang membuat perempuan ini sebelum mereka mempunyai kata-kata ini lagi. Sebenarnya, anda dapat menggunakan kata-kata ini untuk memasukkan kata-kata ini. Dan kemudian, kami mempunyai sekeliling kek 3-4 dan tidak keberahat. Seorang ini membuat kata-kata yang berbeda, dia mempunyai kata-kata ini yang membuat perempuan yang membuat perempuan ini dengan tepung dan memasukkan mereka di dalam bahagia. Saif alcohol sangat penting dalam wquote-wquote-wquote kerana ada banyak keadaan dari bahagia matamat yang tidak pahas dari bahagia matamat dan yang ingin menangkakan kata-kata itu Also the rice wine is something that is a snack actually in Indonesia. So the irony of most people will always be thinking like oh, Indonesians drink alcohol? Does it really drink alcohol? But you have to remember that Indonesia, Islam is very particular and it's not like the common stereotype would say Islam is radical or streamies or like conservative which is completely if you don't mind me saying bush it to me. So one of the example is the ragi tapai and they have like sweet snacks with a bit of like alcohol. They won't call it alcohol. If you ask any of the woman there, is it alcohol? They'll be like, no, no, it's not alcohol. Okay, okay. Yeah. So our friends came over and they're a lot of fun. Just hanging around my house. We have a lot of burgers as well. And then we had another event, Hectoria Lab. This is not by Seron Food Lab but it's by a friend who is doing Hectoria.org. So Hectoria is a, well it's a online platform where basically people uploaded like how do you do DIY by yourself. So do it yourself, biology is a very hard concept for me to explain in detail. But I would say that Basie is like having a lab outside of a lab. So having a lab in your house or having a lab in your garage and doing simple experiment, scientific experiments with low cost tools and doing it by yourself with open source recipes as well. So for example the open PCR is one, for example there's more high tech I guess. But also fermentation is a way to look at the, do it yourself, biology. So Hectoria had the Hectoria Lab in Yogyakarta last year where they had about like people from 42 countries or 42 people from different countries. Definitely from each continent. So there are people from Europe, people from America, people from Asia. All coming together, artists, scientists, designers, researchers, enthusiasts, all coming together to work on three projects that were already happening in Indonesia. So one of which was forest, another is river and another one is volcano. So what I did there, because we had to do workshops that was the spirit of Hectoria. I made lubricants. So sexual lubricants with some of the members from Sewong Food Lab. Why I do that was interesting because I was working, I was working at Transgender Sex Workers Rights in Singapore and one of the accessibility problems is lubricants. So they always have to buy their own lubricants and stuff like that. I thought the same thing happened in Indonesia as well. I was wrong. So I surveyed some of the sex workers' areas there and lubricant is easier to access there. It's quite okay. A lot of the governments are actually helping the jujur cardan sex workers to have access to contraceptives. So it's not a problem. But the problem was in convenience stores sometimes the contraceptives are behind the counter. And the only sexual lubricant that I can find there was a DX1, it was like 100,000 rupiah. That's about $10. And with $10 in Singapore, in Indonesia you can buy like 10 mils which does not make any sense at all to me. So I just like, okay, why not just make your own sexual lubricant? Anyway, this is open source. You can probably find it online as well like homemade vegan or like homemade organic lubricant and there are a lot of people who are already doing it. So when I did this, it was interesting. In Hectoria, I thought that nobody would come from my workshop. But then the generalisation that Indonesia Indonesia is not very receptive towards topics about sex or like topics of sexuality was completely dismantled because different people from all different walks of life coming to my sexual lubricant workshop and learning how to make sexual lubricants asking all different kinds of questions. Oh, so how long would this last? Oh, so how should I use it? Where do I put it at? It was pretty much like completely baffled me but when I did it in Singapore which I'll show pictures there on I think the questions asked in Indonesia were much more if I could say open and comfortable than say in Singapore. So yeah, we did that and the problem was that we could not find flex seats. Flex seats are low in sugar and very good for making natural lubricants. We replaced that with cassava and corn. But what we forgot was that these two things can create yeast infection because they are high in sugar. So yes, that was the problem they don't realise. And only when I was in Singapore my friends like, I think that in my increased yeast infection I was like, oh yeah, you're right. But I remember in Jogjakab we didn't say that there were other alternatives and that was just because it was just trying to be resourceful in Indonesia. And in Singapore we did that as well for Squat and Grow. It was a collaboration between DIY Bio and Edlin & Sarah. She was also one of the organisers. DIY Bio, our collective called Chicky Clan and Hacker Space Singapore and Edible Gardens. So we did a series of public workshops earlier this year on fermentation, food certification, what is safe food, what are the forms of food that are coming out with advanced technology like soilant. And how can we make this how can we make Singaporeans that gets more aware about this. And I also did the lubricant but this time it's like skis and chai seeds. So we are very safe this time. This within Hacker Space Singapore and as you know Hacker Space Singapore has a lot of meal presence. Not that it's anything very good, come on. I'm not trying to be that way. Luther was very open to it. Luther is one of the co-founder. He is very open towards the whole idea and they did not, I mean it was not anything problematic as well. I said that it was not as interesting the questions being asked in Singapore than elsewhere. So our friends are here we are doing the lubricant workshop. So the next team is SNILs. So in SNILs came in Indonesia, France, Czech Republic, Singapore. I don't have time to talk about Czech Republic. Not so interesting I guess anyway. Indonesia I was interested in SNIL pool. I was this is literally a joke. So when I was in Indonesia again from my research and exchange I was always interested in SNILs like I like SNILs a lot and I brought some SNILs back to my my hostel in Indonesia and then one day I realized that most of my papers were being eaten away like they were like holes everywhere and all that. And the corporate was actually SNIL because in paper there are cellulose so SNILs consume paper just because of the plant substances inside as well. And so I thought okay why not let's see what kind of because the pool that were being produced when they ate my white paper was so white. So I said okay why not let SNILs eat coloured paper and then the pool will also be coloured. And again my friendly neighbour help me my helper Niel brought back all the SNILs from his grandmother's place and I did this project again for Hectorial and we had this sculptures you know making SNIL food. Yes So this is their pool where it's coloured. Yes I mean but but I realised I was not the only one halfway doing this SNIL pool project I realised the Dutch designer has already done it. She's much more elaborate than I have ever. She did this. She did Taal's mail out of SNIL pool. So this is quite interesting. I mean her name you can check it in a decent magazine but her name is L-I-E-S-K I haven't spoke to her yet because I stopped doing the project which is I thought to some degree I couldn't really confirm whether my SNILs help for being affected by consuming paper coloured paper which is manufactured with chemicals so I stopped doing that. But I guess the next step that I did with the SNILs was also not very ethical I don't know. I was interested in invasive alien species because of my stay in Seawam Food Lab in Jogjakala So invasive alien species are like species if I can just define it simply. Species that do not they are not native citizen habitat invasive because they overwhelm or they overcrowd the native population and basically take over their presence in the habitat and I was interested in invasive alien species because I feel like this cause surrounding invasive alien species always sort of remind me of xenophobic incarnations that certain people have or the governance have so like the idea of alien foreign was also still used for non-humans as well as humans so if you read any scientific discourse or even like say and parks for probably have the same discourse surrounding around invasive alien species we have to make sure that our native populations are protected we have to make sure that the invasive alien species will not overwhelm the native species so that kind of thinking about invasive alien species kind of is aligned towards my interest for say margen identities or like people who stay here and who are always frame as the non-native as versus to us perhaps native people of Singapore and I did this exhibition together at Say Won Food Lab at CCA at Game & Barracks and it was actually under post pop-up and again is raw helper so I interviewed a lot of farmers as well as anthropians working with plants in Singapore to find out what they think about invasive alien species whether consuming invasive alien species was a way to manage invasive alien species also like how do they how do they think about foreign plants in their perhaps their farms or like one of the people interviewed was Bollywood Veggies but this was by a man who was I think it was a man yeah it was a man who was actually guiding the educational tools at Bollywood Veggies and he said this literally at plants can escape we got a close watch on it and it really reminds me of like beings as well like prisoners or like exiles or like migrants who are trying to cross illegal borders so throughout the whole exhibition I was trying to hint at that some people got it some of it don't I try not to make it explicit because it was more subtle than purposeful so we made a synthesizer and I elaborate what was this synthesizer use for later we also had some non-native plants in the exhibition this contraption so we had again the African African landscape the African landscape is not native to most places in Asia it's quite invasive and how the circuit works is that when the slime of the snail passes through the circuit with the copper tip here it closes the circuit and the sound is produced so if you know the circuit has to have a lot electricity flowing so if you have an open circuit it means that you have to have that connects the circuit so slime of the snail is used because it's moist and it's a good conductive material so I said hey, I really want to make snails talk I want to make invasive alien species talk so how can they talk and I was like okay, why not do this and then maybe like they will talk or something at that or you can make them play music or something so like a snail disco but what happened later on was that it did not really work out as I wanted it to be fun again basically it was because we really make the synthesizer connect to ground okay, speaking technical terms now so that not enough electricity will pass through the circuit for so when the snail passes by so they will not be electrocuted but one thing we forgot about snails and copper is that copper is actually a past management device past management material it's not scientifically proven I have to say so and none of the snails wanted to pass by it so they just stayed in between and a lot of people came there like and I always say you know this is funny because it did not really work out as the way that we planned it but still people were paying more attention to snails than ever was because usually you just have on them so bad and they walk away so it was still good that it was effective in some way we also fomented some why so I forgot to say that one of my friends in Indonesia make his own when you do fermentation you have to allow carbon dioxide to be produced so he make this he custom made this device so it's basically so that air will not coming but air can escape so it's especially important for fermentation you can custom made it in Indonesia but buying it I'm not so sure I mean this is normal laboratory equipment you can I don't know where to buy it so he custom made it because it was for exhibition that he did later on he did in Germany and of course it's more effective than using straws because usually you use straws to allow some CO2 to escape but if this it definitely prevents the air from going in and spawning the fomented wine so yeah so this was yeah basically and then the snails just don't no it wasn't working so we had some workshops as well on why again why making what are native plants what are non-native plants in Singapore blah blah blah and we also later on we tried again at Neon Polytechnic we also had an exhibition say one full lab and I said like okay this time the snails are not going to be tortured I'm very very persistent on this and I don't think they were this time in fact we decided to do something much more simpler which is using contact mites because I again want to hear the snails and allow the non-humans to speak and have this contact mites underneath leaves so that when the snails were biting on it there was sound that were being produced so this was it and it was just an amplification of their eating habits nothing much but it wasn't really to the aesthetic quality that I wanted it was not a nice sound anyway so it was just interesting and last two sections of my presentation actually everyone explorations was what I did this year in Paris by myself not we say one full lab and I was again interested in snails of course the whole teams about snails and in front of course and you would think that snails are very common there and it's not it's maybe it's not okay it's not at all so urban explorations was started up by media lab in Laussel and they started in 2012 in Singapore so the main purpose of urban explorations was for different people from different disciplines to come together and conceptualize and make a tool to collect data from the environment so it could be collecting a tool to collect smells making a tool to collect the pH of soil making a tool to collect sounds or record sounds from urban landscapes and since I was interested in snails this micro snails was so difficult to find in France trust me I took like five hours to find the snails these are micro snails so three snails that are focused on France it's the Helix Formacea which is the famous as cargo the Roman snail the Helix experts was also was also was also eaten by French people but less sir than the Roman snail and the Helix Locorium so these are the three Helix that I focused on some of the snails so adorable they are not the African land snails though interestingly in in Paris it's also shaped like the snail so in Paris how they are being urbanized is that they they are called adonisman so they go they well they sort of appropriate territories around surrounding Paris and well called Paris so there's going to be a 21 soon and Montcoy which is also where I collected and find some snails and it's interesting because I picked certain locations because I wanted to find out if my basic research for urban expositions trying to find out if snail squid egg is a bio indicator for the health of certain habitats in urban Paris mainly because Paris is urbanizing so much yes they are famous for gardens but I would say that most of the gardens in the expensive areas like 1, 2, 6, 7 you cannot find any snails only outside of Paris you find a lot of snails or in the outskirts where there are two forests called Belong and Vincent so you cannot find any snails at all so one or two that I made was trying to find the pH of the soil that snails will found at so easy way to do that is using red cabbage boil it and then making it pH paper on either like non-acidic paper or coffee filters and I make a tool which is a stencil like that and when snails glide across if it turns blue like that is alkaline and that means that the soil is healthy and that means it's healthy also for the snails when soil is too acidic snails will not survive there so you can basically tell how acidic or alkaline the soil is and also like whether the snail is healthy in that area or what why I say that snails are not easy to find in France is because there was an official record of like there being over hunting I have no idea whether this is true or not but also a lot of French people do not eat snails anymore it's a common stereotype it's a tourist stereotype and only in the Uggskirt say in southern France you'll find people still eat snails but it's not common at all and they usually import their snails from Poland and Czech Republic because it's cheaper so this definitely makes the research more interesting because where can you find these snails anymore so I make the stage of the microscope is actually made by Lifepatch I'll elaborate again what Lifepatch does later on which is my collaborator in Indonesia I just used their stage and you can dismantle a PS2 a PS2 webcam to make a microscope this is my two kid that I brought around with me to different thrills to collect some snails on my trolley doing stupid things in the middle of forest what I didn't realize this is an interesting episode in Boulogh which is an outskirt of Paris and it's a park it's not a natural reserve actually it's a park and I wanted to collect some snails this area is known for its red light area so I did not know I forgot I really forgot and my friend Isabel from here told me hey you have to go to belong because that's where you can find a lot of snails I brought my Arduino to collect some temperature data and all that I brought my computer because I wanted to use the webcam USB microscope with the computer but what I didn't realize is that the red light area I always see this man around us just staring at us why just person doing like why is she waiting for me and it's like both to my friends dragging this kind of trolley just look very very very strange and like picking out our samples and like putting it into ziploc and it's like what's happening right here and when I finished collecting and finally found the snails after 5 hours of searching for them that's when I realized I was in the red light area and also at that moment I was like rushing and rushing and I was like oh my god we have to go because suddenly a lot of the men were calling us like hey hey what are you doing and then the woman were like I think the woman were like oh who are these people because they look new because they probably have their own territories and they've been working there for a long time so we saw like strange things happening and then I remember that I got a shock when I saw like so many condom rappers I was like what the fuck I was like where I went crazy so it was just a strange experience so like we brought all these bulky things and all that and we definitely learned not to bring so many things at all anymore so the snail again this is at Vincent's so I did an infographic collecting the width and height of snails as well as the pH temperature the elevation and some simple conclusions that I can make I would say that this is not a proper or valid scientific experiment because I don't have any control test I did not keep my basically it's not it was just me trying to fiddle around with data and like collecting things or where the snails live in and I found that a lot of the young snails the baby snails were living in very unusual environments firstly they were living on like tourney tourney plant list and I always thought that tourney things always keep snails away because if they happen to glide across it's going to be very painful and also that's one of the past management devices and also found them in very hot areas so this is definitely interesting for me because I thought like okay why will you find snails in very hot areas especially for the hill eggs because they need like and I said that there was a certain feature that I was focused more on also another strange thing was I found strange snails like that only with an eye and this is a very unusual is I think it's either a mixed breed or it has some genetic deficiency because it definitely is not a normal shell the shell should be of this or this color yeah but it look like that so that was the ending part so it was interesting and I also found in a very hot environment so I was intrigued like what kind of addictive function can these snails have that allow them to stay in hot environments in tall areas so this is what I was interested in the amphigram so I might sound a bit strange right now from this point on I was interested in how they could reduce water loss and this particular function is actually the dried mucus so when you have snails sometimes they create this dried mucus around their room here and it basically prevents them from losing their moisture and that particular picture makes me very interested in snails even more and it looks something like that so during hibernation in summer it's even better it looks like that because there's calcium into the epigram itself and they do this so that no water can be lost and so they can hibernate for a period of time and I thought like okay what will happen if say so okay before I go on that I also decided to make some videos of what the epigram looks like I pasted the epigram like I make the snails rest there they make all this epigram on the microscope slides and they look like that I was interested in the structure as well how crystalline they were and I say that okay in Singapore or like in another place in honor of why did we stop having water what we have to find a way to adapt ourselves and I thought that one way to connect the snail even more than the previous contraptions of like putting them with synthesizers or like putting them in tortures environment like making them eat colored paper and more subtle way is to think about adaptation and human being so I did some kind of speculative like design fiction I guess so I truly printed this thing so like human epigram and make my friend model it so I was thinking creating this post apocalyptic situation okay human beings no longer have water anymore but we have our own epigram as well so I designed a few things like that and the overall output was basically this laboratory setting light exhibition with other friends as well so all our things were being shown there in Paris oops and yeah it was come interesting because in France as actually this was in a finance place so it was not so common for them to have such a setting for art exhibition so yeah they were pretty much intrigued by what we were doing this is one of my friends who 3D printed all these parts and he was recording all the soundscapes urban landscapes of Paris and then using them and you can't really see here but using the data from the sound of different parts of Paris making them into balls so like shapes where it's like spiky there are projections where sound is extremely loud and intense at the area so I'm fortunate I can't show it here but it's by a very famous artist in Singapore it's called Ong Giang Pain and I'm sorry I cannot show here there's mosses as well some of them were just mosses and making like handy this guy here Dia he make it's going to be shown here anyway this exhibition in National Design Centre this October so you can probably see it again he make his own lens so lens that you'll find in microscope he we got a friend in well he's not a friend in Paris there was this start up where he was focused on microfluidics and he gave us some of this what's it BSM or PSM that is used to make microscope lens and my friend make some of this lens by himself so this is a material you cannot usually get in Singapore it's a restricted material but we got it anyway in Paris and some of friends were more interested in pigeons and the reason one that we did with Adalyn as well because right now Adalyn is doing something but she's trying to basically raise awareness about maybe you can tell us a bit about it the printed circuit boards or you mean that oh so we're just asking for innovative ways to raise awareness on wildlife trafficking and to engage customer demand and I I need of course a life pack have a tiger crispy and it's just a simple so you just hold it and I thought it's a really good it's it's just a very way of doing awareness because people will come to it and you'll need to come to learn then you can then you use the veins that needs to be and to design and then you can bring wildlife but so we were at the portal and we need high quality sails yeah together with with this together with this man here Linton Raditya who's a very good synthesiser maker and he really wants to make a synthesiser can ask him he will definitely customise one for you and he make one it's really cute so if you know how synthesiser look like this is the circuit board itself and all this parts well they are conductive still but then still you can make designs around the circuit board and I did the Flutter Stoma Flutter Stoma which is a kind of sea snail that is currently in danger in Southeast Asia because of mining and because I'm interested in conflict materials or more materials that are being used for electronics and the kind of civil conflicts or civil wars that go around this materials I decided to focus on this that was endangered by mining okay so last section before I read those off this is the project that I did and I guess this is the one that I wrote as well for Geek Girls it's called Nanak Project and because my area of research is about hacking and making in Southeast Asia and I was interested to explain why hacking and making in Southeast Asia is different from say perhaps America and I focus not on I focus on a Pacific demographic not only women but elderly women so what did elderly women between the ages were born between 1934 to 1954 in Indonesia did think and perceive science and technology as so Stephanie Wischers who is also an artist geek and researcher from Austria Life Patch which is an Indonesian lap that does a lot of this DIY bio bio hacking also like teaching people how to make save wine or teaching people how to make synthesizers also collaborated with us on this Nanak project Nanak is grandmother by the way what is interesting is that this Nanak that we interviewed are the mothers of the Life Patch members so if you know who Life Patch is there are a bunch of eight boys and one girl so the eight boys definitely have their own ways of doing science and technology so it was kind of they were a bit intimate it was like Cindy are you really sure you want to interview our moms like we feel a bit like you know awkward and all that but it was interesting because they did not ever knew that their moms also perhaps did science and technology so they had to follow us to all these interviews their mothers asking them what they think about hacking what hacking is explaining what they were doing so some of these mothers that we interviewed were singers some were religious teachers so I will not explain the context is fine so I will just introduce the mothers this is Sumini Suprapto I want to say whose mom because it might be sensitive for them so I will just say this is Sumini Suprapto she is a Kronchong singer if you know Kronchong is a popular genre in Indonesia and it sounds the voice always sounds a bit haunting it is actually quite a genre that it is still quite popular among Indonesians but not so much I guess among the youth so it's a bit like perhaps I would say Oayang here I said more poppish this is Amrita Areyati and she she's a religious teacher but she does do this amazing thing so I guess we'll call her maybe the biohacker now which is but she's actually so basically she has an emphasis on not using processed materials so none of the cakes that she made has to be from processed ingredients she source out every single one of these ingredients by herself and she's very fixated on the idea that a lot of youth these days are eating a lot of processed foods and we should learn how to eat in a proper way and we should make things in a low cost manner so it's interesting that in our contact we call her like oh maybe she's some kind of organic enthusiast or like lifestyle so that was interesting for me because I'm coming from say in Singapore we're trying to find raw ingredients to make certain things it's very difficult you won't find a chicken around that you can just take eggs from it's just not so possible I guess I should call prof Waiyuni so even Waiyuni is she's a computer science lecturer and one of the most significant things that she said to me before or all of us was that she said this it might be an insult for you so she said this in precise way she said coding is for undergat rates it's for it's for people who don't know their things and systems is the way so just for us it's just like whoa this woman is already thinking about meta meta data already so we're just like okay this is an insult for those people who are doing coding and don't really know coding at first it's interesting that a woman at an age is still they do science and technology and she was the only engineer in when she was in her younger years and one thing she said to me that really struck me was that you know it's not about me being a woman it's just me wanting to do science and tech it's really not so much about me being a woman and being discriminated so that's one thing that we have to understand about gender in Indonesia again Rani Ibu Rani she's she has three smartphones so more smartphones than I can ever have and she used them for different things one of them is to check her son's Facebook the other was to take pictures and stuff like that so technological production so one thing about technology but technological consumption in Southeast Asia is interesting for me say for example the amount of apps that Indonesians use is crazy and mind blowing so that's one thing that we're also interested in that project Ibu Shamsui she is I think our oldest interviewee and I mean she's from a certain era where it was difficult for her to pursue what she wanted to do in her earlier years and so she became a religious teacher but actually what she was really interested in was fashion design so she also told us she was more conscious about technological consumption like Facebook usage among younger people so she was giving perspective like this kind of things are not so good for Islamic teachings and all that so we had like very perceptions of what Islam is among all these women as well Ibu Teriza she uses recycled wood to do slow cooking she's from Sumatra so in Sumatra culture or at least batak culture one important thing is slow cooking so basically slow cooking for a whole day like curry maybe Chinese people as well do the same thing and Ibu Ruki Ati she's actually 71 years old now you can't really see it from here and she says that you know and she actually used life hack I don't know why probably got it from Facebook or something like that she's like you know the way for me to do hacking is like being productive in life so she has she used to be she's an engineer by the way she's a marine engineer I won't say whose mom this is maybe later on and her son was doing a lot of river project in Jogjakarta and he never consulted her or cause he never asked her mom hey mom what kind of science and tech are you doing so it was interesting when he when we finally interviewed her and mom the son was like okay I think mama I have to consult you now of what I supposed to do for my river project so like that was interesting for us as well and she keeps this excel sheet I don't have a picture here but it's like humongous where she keeps the accounts profits so she owns like a small mama shop in the front of her house and she keeps this crazy accounts list of like whatever things are being like so and what is popular in demand and all that kind of thing she still hold a job in the civil service sometimes so that was interesting so these are different phases of the research buying in analysis examination prototyping and documentation and finally the exhibition so we really go through this so that we can start to discuss or if you don't want to discuss and just want to relax so fine so we had an exhibition in the end to display the kind of things that we did during this Nanak project and there was this Chongkak as well that we made a kinetic thing so basically the Chongkak is a traditional Indonesian game in Singapore so we play it and basically we had the Chongkak shape that the bigger holes for where the mothers were from and the Chongkak is definitely totally different from what it look like here so we're using the balls so that people could play with the Chongkak itself and try to understand where this mothers coming from and the because it's interesting the Chongkak has like Ibu holes and Anak holes Ibu is mother holes Anak is children holes so we're trying to make this analogy between the Nanak project and the kinetic installation we also had a documentary too bad I can't show it here but more interestingly I think this is one of the things that I worked on which was collecting words that mean hacking and making in Indonesia because one thing I'm critical about is the idea of hacking and making has become somewhat of like a popular discourse maybe in Singapore it's okay because we use English but elsewhere in Indonesia or Thailand they have ways of making and hacking that already exist in their own language so I was interested in that and I took the interviews as well as some literature as well as from life hatch members what does hacking and making mean so Otar Arthik is tinkering in Indonesia and they also have thing called OPRAC which is basically a hack and yeah so we created all this glossary of terms and of course most of the Indonesians there who already knew perhaps about hacking or make a culture is interested to also know that they already have one in Indonesia so yeah we also make an application where we uploaded the hacks that the mothers have so like how to make quick way from ingredients so the application is actually online you can check it here and this is the end of my long talk so if for more information you can like just go to all this website this is my email my website and all the other things like my friends' names and all that so thank you for staying all the while thank you so much I'm really tired probably every is exhausted don't worry just send an email if you want to or just look at the websites look at life hatch website or maybe for the Nenek project as well because we recently had our exhibition in Basel as well so Basel the people in Basel were having a different perspective of what is hacking and making in Indonesia so yeah you can probably just check out the links yourself otherwise please just relax and if you want to go home just go home so worry about it thanks for coming all the way here no question question yes yeah how do they breed how do they breed how do they breed how do they breed hey, that's an interesting question I've never thought about it before I think they have some their skin has some skin I remember some feature that allows their skin is the one that has certain enterings or like holes or something that allow them to breed I've never thought about that before there's the next feature that I might focus on what do you do with the snails that you put like the like in Paris release them back in the same place because that's the only way that you can do science ethically, I guess yes, it's my assistant in many many projects he's my assistant for building the house he's my assistant that comes for our market any events he's always there I mean in Indonesia starting a collaboration that really much depends on trust and if you have a space like that the neighbors are the most important so as a foreigner I felt a lot of the process or time that was being spent to make this lab was buying in the trust from my neighbors themselves so yeah oh, crunchy it's crunching noise because if you feed them harder leaves and vegetables it's like yeah you can try at home you can just put the snail inside a bottle and then have some cabbage and you can just put it in your ear it's very loud the circuit for the conductive thing I tried to in jujukada again it did not work well these snails just no, it's just not working I couldn't find a conductive material that was not matter all matters repel snails sorry the carbon yeah, I tried to rub pencils on the masking tape then the conductivity was not high enough and if you increase the voltage your snails will electrocute and die so that that particular thing is something that I hope to work on but it's it took time consuming I guess not so I guess I don't know yes, you should actually nobody has started it yet here, interestingly actually that that Dutch designer is definitely somebody too she not even make that house she make like other things as well I don't know what other things so the snail pool is interesting but you have to be careful because some paper they don't really eat I think because of the lack of cellulose in the paper itself so yeah it works yes you can yes yes, it will be the best snail pool because well, I mean some people snail activists from I don't know where will probably start asking like if their food colouring won't harm the snails but I would think that that's a safer choice than feeding them coloured paper so yeah coffee filter because it's not a sea day as well so yeah no not at all sorry yes, fresh but it dries later on so it makes a terrific material for making hard concrete materials actually one thing that most people can try is also like drying out your bread and then you can make furniture out of it so one of our friends from Seowon Fulau so he wanted to do something like that because he bakes a lot the bread you leave it out it becomes very hard like baguette baguette is one thing and you can make like furniture like a chair there are few artists that did that as well I think before so yeah so if there are no more questions yes, I'm sorry yes it's now no I cannot run the space anymore because I felt like I wasn't there so like my friends will so very busy with their own things so we no longer have a space but the collectors still exist except in non-spatial non-spatially yeah there's no space anymore the place now is rented to our friend yeah sadly still there everything is still there the papaya the nuts the yam the potato everything is there anyway if you want to know the place I rented and because I'm foreigner it was one and a half years for $900 sing $900 sing it can go cheaper but I think one important thing to realize that when you do this kind of initiative you have to realize that you might also accidentally gentrify the area itself so that's one thing that's happening a lot in Indonesia gentrification because well if you have some kind of like cultural identity that's happening in a certain area naturally some other things will happen and the whole place might suddenly become the next sexy start-up valley and the whole place will become expensive and it's not good for the farmers who are staying there so I think maybe it's time for us to not say that as well but anyway there's another initiative that I hope to start soon in Indonesia and Edwin unfortunately has just left but we plan to make a lab in this place called Onosari which is in the outskirts of Indonesia and it's rumored that that piece of land is still a primary rainforest and because Edwin is a scientist she's interested in taxonomising and also trying to collect all his trees of villagers who are staying around there to see what kind of medicinal properties certain plants have that has not been archived so yeah that's one of the things that we plan to do unfortunately no snails at the moment because I'm a bit like trying to keep some distance from them So yeah Yes So did you find that it was that it was also the same in Indonesia and they can become an hesitate amount of things to your own section will return for example in Singapore you mean the section in Indonesia an hesitate amount that's what we plan so people don't need that place Ya no it's quite common for someone in Jogjakarta for people to do their own things like tinkering okay I only can say this for like the people I know tinkering for them it's like a common thing they have like tired with pyremen everywhere and it's not like something like that and normally but if you're talking about software based hacking or like some kind of more highly advanced technology like data mining and stuff like not so common in Indonesia but more hardware based working yes completely common in Indonesia I would say so a lot of people that are very good with hardware based things so ya biology not so but if you want to ask them about plants they definitely know more than I think Singaporeans do so ya okay do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do and do you diy recently well some of the members even though I'm leaving to michigan other members are active using the open but experiment outside so it finding out the gene mà coding or finding out the genes of certain food to know whether sushi atau sesuatu sehingga itu. Also fermenting wine and stuff like that. So I did not put DIY bio here, I'm so sorry but you can just check DIY Bio Singapore and you can find it on Facebook. DIY Bio Spacing SG. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Thank you so much. Yes. So I should stop this.