 It's another week. Okay, I was listening for the audio. How? It's almost been three weeks Yeah, three weeks not one single audio. This is week five. No the first two together. Oh my goodness Okay, Brandon, how is your Really got dumped in front of him like 15 minutes ago. It's just it's a shocker. I'm still in one piece It's true. Oh my god. I was sitting here like He was listening to the whole phone call. I'm like getting dumped Anyways, I Was your week? I don't know if I can talk that we went to fantasy fair We did I was getting sort of clip. Oh my god. I'm trying to like I'm so fly. I'm red by the way if you can't tell Yeah, no alcohol today. Just Red Bull and Pash No, we went to fantasy fair that was a You know, I had a lot of fun. It was an interesting experience to say the least our car We were very concerned about our cars. Oh my god. Okay explain that. Okay, so we pulled up And I I clued into this one guy right away. Okay He was casing cars and the minute we started pulling up to park He was like locked with our car like he was checking out all the cars that were pulling in and all the cars that We're pulling out So I was already like I'm sorry. Yeah, like let's keep an eye on our cars So then I saw him like he was staring at us hardcore So I was like, okay, let's go in the mall, but hide behind a pillar and just watch So we did that for like 30 minutes And then he like took off or something I can't remember but yeah It was interesting. It's definitely Not not going back there. We weren't in Kansas anymore. Oh Man anything else, okay, he enjoyed himself we have a lot and that was fun. Yeah, we found the vlog What else did we do? I'm work. I got a car wash. Oh I think I had COVID and didn't realize We're negative. Yeah, but yeah I was having a lot of muscle pain and all that for the week And I thought it was because it was just over working at work But then the girl I was working with all five days ended up testing positive for COVID and We think that all my all my symptoms made sense now, but luckily it's less than a cold the symptoms that she's experiencing so Ah Every other than that was the typical week. We're back. What is this number five? This is number five and this is gonna be Tea so I guess like we had, you know, we had a fun meeting with Wonderland Oh, yeah, we can't talk about so we're not allowed to talk about anything. We'll just say with Wonderland and we have Yeah, we have It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great guys. So Grace is gonna be on the podcast Week seven right because then we say The 25th or 27th of November 25th 20. Yeah, that's Saturday the last Saturday in November. Yep So Grace will be on the podcast November 25th We say November Can you tell how I just got gas lit for But yeah I'm trying to figure out how we want to start this podcast because there's a lot by the way There are a lot your drinks get everything ready because we are here for a while. This is a good one I'm looking at all the slides and like what do we start with? What do you guys? Okay? What do you guys want to start with? We can't start with 2025 guys. We can't mind-bender because I want to start with Mind-bender. Let's start with mind-bender mind-bender. Bam. Whoa We're like a week and a half behind I Just want to say I just want to say You know Whoever got the opportunity to ride this ride. I think that is truly awesome a part of me is always wanted to ride this I've always heard that it's been so intense and you know, it has a great layout so I Understand why it killed people It's so great 1980 something has it killed four people Oh, man, the train came off the track. I would never be able to ride it, but that's my social that's not my social anxiety That's my what's that word? hypochondriac So I Don't have any like I don't I don't I'm like cool. It's getting removed It'll probably get replaced by something better Although the mall the company that owns that mall is now defaulting on their loans You see that right there is scary because that could imply the whole park just kind of goes away and gets shipped out Um In the in the east but yeah, so do you have anything else you want to say about mine bender? Yeah, so You know what and to be as respectful as possible because unfortunately people did, you know, there was a very tragic accident but I think You know with this kind of a ride because everyone who wrote it said it was so intense You know and some of those loops pulled over five G's and You know if they choose to replace it with something I don't personally think that replacement is going to be as intense It may be more reliable and maybe more people can ride it, but it's definitely not gonna be as intense Apparently it's being replaced by family rides You see though that is the thing the age of True intensity is over So like you know, I know everybody wants like a be including me I always talk about B&M, but you know, there's always that one class of coaster like. Oh my god What did I just ride? I feel like that's slowly dwindling away and this is another example now I know there were a few people talking about the person who bought fantasy island in In Buffalo and the person who owns Indiana Beach, you know, they're buying up old shorts coughs So maybe there's a chance that I don't think this ride is gonna be salvage But at least the trains or something can be salvage So that would be kind of cool That would be kind of like a positive light to it that you know Some of these parts can go towards making another shorts cough run and work properly That totally went into the mic So apparently it's being replaced by family rides I thought one of those mock or intimate little loop or things would have been a cool replacement Maybe you could still fit one in I like that's that's a letdown if they're removing one of their high intense rides I'm replacing it only by that's so Canadian that is that's very Canadian And you know, this had the record for the tallest indoor roller coaster in the world I believe it was like someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it was like 163 feet not a hundred percent sure So I'm probably wrong, but you know, so they have a lot of space they could play with so they really could have done You know, they could have done something really cool. I think with this with this area of the mall I'm shocked that we don't have an indoor mall With a theme park in the Toronto area like really shocked. Yeah, like a proper proper not not fantasy That's gonna be no more I think yeah Potentially we don't fully know, but I mean it doesn't look like it does well anyways. No But yeah, I think Toronto could really benefit with a proper, you know indoor water park or an indoor theme park Like imagine a galaxy land in Toronto open all year around that place would be huge Like now that would be busy like look how busy Wonderland is people would love something like that to do here Jasmine brought up is bringing up my original thing that was supposed to trigger you So another mall is closing for condos in the Toronto area. I forgot which one but I Have so many triggers I threw that one out You know what it is upsetting and I'm gonna really try and be calm because I care but It's sad because literally that just boils down to everything like look scooters and Mississauga You know potentially Dave and Buster's all of these plots lands and then you have these malls They're all dying to turn into condos and here's the problem a mall You know even like scooters those are more or less like public entertainment venues right where anyone can go and enjoy But you know what you build a condo complex not anyone can go there. That's private, right? So only residents can go there So you just took away from the public domain for something that won't benefit 99% of the people That's how the city is being ruined. Mm-hmm and it's scary because look what's being targeted It's like entertainment venues, you know malls movie theater stuff like that So what's there gonna be left to do in the city 15-minute cities y'all? No Okay, I'm triggered by I hate never mind. This is a podcast. Anyways, let's trigger Syria because I just triggered y'all Hey, Syria notice anything about the operating calendar between Cedar Point and Canada's Wonderland Look, they're the same weekend now They are One second, I actually didn't look at Cedar Point. Oh, does that say the fourth? Yep. No, no fifth. Oh, not sir. Five That's May, right Monday Look at that Cedar Point extended. Yep third fourth. It opens this set. It opens this Saturday. Yeah We open a day earlier than so the thing is we always used to open a Weekend before you know what? No, no, no, this is you know, there is no reason I'm gonna burp. We can't open the third weekend in April. I like Look at the temperature. Look what the temperatures has been next week is gonna be plus 13 on Wednesday Why can't we open the third weekend of April? They're losing out on business opportunities and I understand, you know what? I understand, you know, okay inclement weather April can be unpredictable But open with that premise say, you know what? We're gonna be opening however due to weather things may close unexpectedly I don't understand why we're always pushing our operating calendar back. Maybe 10 years ago It made sense a later opening but nowadays with especially with our attendance guys with our attendance We could have like we could have a whole weekend of season pass preview or something Imagine that that would even be a better way to push passes like hey, you know what? If you buy a gold pass you get an exclusive weekend to yourself or you get two whole weeks in April just for season pass holders that would be incredible and Like I don't I don't know. This is this is very I will get I will tell you this though I will tell you this the one positive is if you actually look at our calendar from our opening day After our opening day every single day of the operating season the park will be open until Labor Day Which is the first time that's ever happened. I believe so to me, you know, it's bittersweet, right? Because everybody we're all dying here. Let's be realistic. We're dying I'd go to Wonderland every day and stare at it because I wanted to open so why can't they just open it earlier? I don't I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure there's a reason I Don't sorry one second. Do you want anything from Starbucks? Yes My blood pressure is going up. I need to eat my candies I'm sorry, but in all seriousness though We should be opening earlier in my opinion with the market like Toronto With the market that Toronto has There is no reason why we couldn't open the third weekend in April and even if it was a flop You don't just try it out for a year open like I don't know what the calendar is for April But open on like the 18th or 19th or whatever that weekend is And just see you know see what the temperature is make things why they're permitting I guarantee you like you guys remember what it was like last year. You know what it's gonna be like this year It's gonna be a two-hour wait for everything just on the past preview Just on the past preview So bring those crowds in April let everybody come in April then if they're gonna be able to generate that many people That was just my thoughts What those are my thoughts And you guys have no idea how frustrating it is when you know, I see King's Island or carowinds open or Kings Well Kingsman is not open tomorrow, but it's so frustrating for me. I got I almost got jealous like why can't we be open? Obviously, we can't be open now, but we could be open in April If they start testing and whenever they start testing at the start of April There is no reason why people can't be on them like me for testing No, but they can run the rides. So just run the rides with the park open two weeks earlier. Oh My goodness Okay, that wasn't even the good one. I've calmed down. That wasn't even the good one Guys should we trigger him again, or should we move on to an actual topic? I have another trigger Like I'll let you guys vote. Do we go on to a topic or do I trigger Syria again and just let's kill my blood pressure More trigger, okay the people have spoken What's that? What have they done to top fill dragster? They remove the entire station. The only thing left now is that they even know what no, no, no They're good and you know what? Okay. It's very tragic what happened. I'm not saying that yeah Zamperla the Zamperla that Zamperla went from being a company that could barely get off 40 feet to the ground now They're gonna launch a train at 200 kilometers an hour, but you know what? Look at what they're doing to it They're gonna do all this retheming all this other Nonsense that to be honest nobody who goes to see your point even cares about Nobody cares about they just want the launch and they got rid of the cable launch So now we're gonna have we're gonna have this LSM that probably can't even do half the acceleration as a cable properly can It's not gonna feel the same look at the station. They completely re-gutted it. What are they doing re-gutted? Whatever they gutted it out. They took it all out. They took it all out even know what else is missing pay attention What else is missing the red green yellow light. Oh, it's gone Yeah, so they're gonna get rid of the dragster. No, no, no, there was something with what do what would they say? What do they say formula one? What was see your points teaser? Do you remember that new formula new formula of thrills? I think theme this to a formula one race car But say oh no the dragster theme is dead and outdated that light those lights like sitting there on the launch track Okay, you like countdown arms down arms down, you know And then the lights would go down and then you would launch that was half of the fun just that anticipation and they took all of it away King Decau doesn't have any blood as problems, but it's still it's still running So what's dragsters excuse? Oh? It's a pretty good Okay, I'm just saying full honest talk here. I'm not doubting Zamperla can do it I'm not saying anything bad about it But why Zamperla out of all the other companies out there why Zamperla? I'm convinced that Zamperla is like You know what? Yeah, we'll redo dragster for you, and you know what? We'll give you this wild mouse for free take it Take it. That's a hundred percent. What's going on here or or see your points just trolling everybody That's also a possibility, but why is emperor I wouldn't no disrespect to Zamperla great company I know they have so many amazing things coming out, but why them? Mock just a mock to do it or something else put another cable there. I'm a little upset with you right now We said but we would talk about 2025 at the appropriate time, and you just spoiled it with them as emperor spinning coaster Don't start with me Coming in 2025 guys Zamperla spinning coaster. It's a little smaller than the Cedar Point one It's being built on top of win-seeker. It's gonna be the tallest coaster in the world Be iconic. Oh Just look at it guys though. Just look at it. You know for you guys like You know if you've ever ridden dragster that there's just something about that ride like they put bleachers there To watch the trains go by like all of that is gone now. I Mean, yes, what happened was very terrible very very sad. Yes, but you know dragster. It was it was an icon for a generation I'm trying to figure out the next topic 2025 is gonna end it we're going through this a lot quicker Well, no, I think no cuz mountain will lead to 2025 because that's a whole topic in itself My blood pressure is still high. It's okay. You'll be okay Trigger number three Wonderland shortening its season they're discontinuing Halloween hog I swear to God if that ever happened, no, no, I would protest I would literally go there and prove I would tear down all that winterfest garbage All seasoned bass lean is discontinued for the 2023 season They're taking my money Moon they're moving Low-key though low-key I want to know how many developers have an eye on I bet you they get offers all the time in cedar fairs. Like you realize that we make that in a season there, right? Oh Man I the one thing I'm very confident in is that Wonderland is too profitable to ever be sold for profit 100% Especially with like their numbers. Okay guys these next three topics You need to pay attention. Okay It's Wonderland in here right now Maybe you're gonna see me switch up my language a lot. Okay, so you're gonna hear me say my official prediction I'm gonna make my official prediction today You're gonna hear me say take this with a grain of salt Rumblings birdie pay attention to those words if you hear Conspiracy theory and stuff like that that means it's it's a thought If you hear me say rumblings birdies Grain of salt is more so thought to yeah, yeah But if you hear official prediction that that official prediction take it seriously, that's all I can say So we're gonna start talking about Wonderland's future and over the next three to five years Wonderland's future is Impressive and very impressive very impressive And a part of that reasoning is I'm gonna mix up the sporting event So drag me in the comments. You can make fun of me for you just drag me There's a huge sporting event coming up in 2026 World Cup a World Cup and then there's another one after that I believe There's one that's about to be announced it's like the NFL I think oh the NHL the hockey game Something like that. You guys can comment in the thing so There's a huge draw for attendance potential and Cedar Fair has been known to invest in a park If there is a major sporting event in the area On top of that the reason you want to pay attention to Wonderland is they're saving like More than 50% on investments now or my is a vice versa is at 40% It's either almost 60% or 40% I'll have to go back and look at the math That's so embarrassing, but they're saving a huge chunk of money is what you need to look at when they're investing now on the flip side They are also losing a huge chunk of money when they make money at Wonderland So for every dollar a guest spends they are losing that but Wonderland season pass base is so significant to put it into perspective and these are estimates Okay, these are rumblings Cedar Fair is around 3.4 million season passes sold in the chain Wonderland is close to 800,000 gold passes for the 2023 season. That is an estimate It's pretty accurate estimate So when you take that into account 800,000 just gold passes of a 3.4 million total passes It's insane. So Wonderland could make up over a million of the 3.4 million passes of Their entire chain That's crazy. So there's a huge and Wonderland based off of the last stockholders call There's one coming up and I'm gonna pay significant attention to that Wonderland has one of the highest guest spending on upcharge attractions in the chain They were actually called out in the stockholders call that American parks were trending downwards for Spending on upcharge attractions whereas Canada's Wonderland was trending upwards Which is a sign of our economy, but we'll see how that turns We're all on the meal plan this year oatmeal for me sir Well, they're gonna put that on the dining table. It'll be oatmeal. You have to pay extra for the corn bread Does the audio keep going bad? Is anybody having guys is our audio bad? Let me test it. I'm gonna turn it. It's gonna be really annoying for a second I'm just gonna test this. Okay Nope, we're good. It might be your internet. No offense So what are we talking about? Oh the future. Why are we not on the screen? So we're gonna touch on a new trend So again, that was just me warning you on all my videos moving forward pay attention to my language I Guess to start off the conversation. I'm gonna be a little transparent. So When I first started this channel you have people reaching out to you left right and center This is back in the day when this guy thought I was an idiot And boy was he right? When you first start a channel and you become a channel that's known at your home park You get people reaching out to you and it was my first experience being in that thing So whenever someone reached out to me, I assumed that they knew that they were talking about so someone was like, oh I'm a supervisor at Wonderland and they're gonna get a B&M dive coaster. That's 300 feet tall. I'm like, oh, oh Yes, I vaguely remember that. I'm like my sources. I'm right my sources So I think I can air I I'll air this okay I think the park wouldn't mind this so back in the day when I predicted Yukon striker to be a giga coaster Even though I had the blueprints I Had the blueprints. I Was still predicting it to be a giga coaster because the the actual crane operator for building the ride was in my DMs telling me it was going to be 305 or 306 feet tall something something like that So or no, it was supposed to be like 288 feet tall, but with the tunnel it was supposed to be like 302 or something So I was like, oh that sounds really really real realistic I'm gonna tell my audience So that's how that whole thing happened Now Over the years you start meeting more and more people you start talking to other YouTube channels And you start learning who knows things and who doesn't know things What I'm about to say is not to be any shade at all to a Wonderland worker. I love them Wonderland workers do a lot, but they do not know anything When it comes to new attractions I can promise you that I know people in every department at Canada's Wonderland at every different level and I'm telling you that they do not know what's coming In fact a lot of them will say that they learn things from my channel now and he can vouch for that To continue that on you you learn more you develop more as a person develop more And you know who to pay attention to you know what to look for and that's a really key point because that's the one thing I'm like what we'll go into a park on opening day, and I already know the next area that something's gonna get built So I can already tell you based off of Drone footage. There's a new area of development that's starting. We're gonna talk about that But now that we got that out shall we talk about the theming? Ah, theming. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the theming. Look at those two old trains. So You know what? No, it's evident. It is evident that Wonderland is going down I don't want to say a completely different direction, but they are really Really emphasizing on the theming and the detail and like the artwork into a ride, you know, it's no more generic Behemoth or Leviathan colors. It's like they're putting more thought I think into their paint jobs into their detailing into their Landscaping, you know even just where they put the ride, you know, they're putting a lot more thought into it It's not like you know roller coaster tycoon I'm gonna put that that and that there and make it all green No, like they're they're putting a lot more detail into it and they're spending a lot more on it Like this this can't be cheap right like that paint job was expensive. Yeah, look at that It's beautiful, but it's gonna really work in their favor I think when it all comes together, you know, you have like the colors of Yukon you have the forest You have this beautiful paint job on tundra twister It's really gonna start developing into a frontier Canada into a proper area and it's gonna Not to sound cheesy, but I think they're trying to get into that rhythm Maybe not quite as like Disney or Universal, but they're trying to transport you right into a different Mindset like wow, I really just entered a different part of the park Like this is frontier Canada. This is nothing like Med Fair. This is incredible Look at all that little details there and there and look how it all comes together I feel like Wonderland's trying to go down that route now someone from ace reached out to me and Disgust a comment that was made at carowins is ace event about theming moving forward So take this with a grain of salt because I do not have an ability to confirm this comment So the Peter of carowins For those of you Peter is the head of construction design and planning at Canada's Wonderland So like the head the person over at carowins. That's kind of like that Said that Cedar Fair had sought out someone that worked with islands of adventure a couple of years ago and Have brought him on board to design all these new themed areas at their parks So the test was Kings Dominion's Jungle X jungle X and apparently it did phenomenal So Cedar Fair has now asked him to do it at carowins. So carowins got aeronautica I think that's how you say it. That's right. That's the name of it. Yeah, you're not a coal or So now that area so what's next? What parks next so apparently they were he's part of the spinning coaster and the new beach Restaurant at Cedar Point, okay. Yeah. Yeah, so that's pretty cool Again, I need to see that finish because I'm not that impressed With Cedar points. I've never been impressed by Cedar Point though except that new restaurant. It's amazing, but Kings Islands new area Kings. Oh Kings Islands new area not very farms new area. So what's Canada's Wonderland? It's that like it's coming World Expo. That's gonna be so exciting. So World Expo no matter how you want to look at it is coming up now when I say coming up I'm not talking 2024. I'm not talking 2025. It could be so again. I'm gonna be super transparent in today's video I don't know years when it comes to World Expo. I don't because what I do know is Frontier Canada is not finished It's not Let's let's talk about Frontier Canada. So Are we right? No, we'll talk about World Expo a little more and then we'll go into 2025 and then we're gonna go into the mountain Yeah, 2025 is more frontier. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll go 2025. We don't know that yet though because Winterfest We can talk. We'll talk. Yes. This is so when I was trying to talk about it earlier our future is So unpredictable right now, but it's predictable So our attractions that we're gonna get are all here, right? They're in this bubble and basically because of what just happened to Winterfest Everything just got juggled up which is scary because if something happens to this 2025 edition and The mountain project gets bumped up. I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry so hard Yeah, I would prefer what I would prefer the big thing for 2025, but the mountains to me actually seems kind of cool It does but I don't like it Because 2025 is like 35 million dollars that yeah, like 35 million dollar coaster We want we like we need we love and then the mountain is like a 10 million max For Winterfest So leading into that World Expo is a hundred percent gonna happen at Canada's Wonderland It's very predictable But take that with a grain of salt. That is not something I have laying in front of me on paper I do not have that so just to be transparent That's just something that I who has studied Wonderland like there is no tomorrow on their investments in their projects and their history and speaking to park people With the information they'll give us like for example at UCONN's media day when we were handed a whole ton of information And we didn't even realize it at the time Until things started happening. World Expo is gonna happen. The park has even said it themselves So in like little snippets at ace and stuff like that. It's coming It's something the park has always wanted to do and it's gonna To be honest, that's their most amount of land Oh, yeah that whole like it pretty much goes You know from extreme sky flyer all the way to Kingswood essentially if you follow the parking lot like You know that just Kingswood alone is probably you know ten acres of land like it's crazy. Yes. Yeah And it would make for a very nice out-and-back layout and just to erase action zone as if it was nothing I would like oh, oh wonderland take my money Charge me three hundred dollars for your season pass if you get rid of action, so I'll pay six hundred dollars Get some get some new paint in there Um, but what if that is why behemoth isn't getting a paint job I I really hope so, but I hope that also means I This comes like in two years I think behemoth's not getting a paint job for another reason Say it But honestly I I'm not ready to say goodbye to frontier canada yet I know I said in the last podcast I was because now I'm even more invested in frontier canada now that I know more So to put it into perspective I don't want to reveal too much and this isn't meant to sound shady because I'm learning to respect everyone that Does content on canada's wonderland, but it is really difficult sometimes When you have inside information, so for example, I will tease a podcast or I'll tease information And then I notice that other people and this isn't anyone in specific like it really isn't there's even people on tiktok now that are copying My rumors and speculation And it gets out there and then people don't credit And that's my biggest thing is sometimes people will be like, oh like this is thinking I'm like, I know that you got that from the podcast So I'm not going to reveal too much because there's I need to be there on wonderland opening day because we know There's a specific exact location that we need to look at again To learn What exactly is coming in 2025? It'll be it'll be so easy to tell So right now you're going to see it's between the mountain and 2025 is what we're calling this code name So Is that all you want to say about the theming? So by the way, I did see these trains are a replica They are a longer train From what I hear the train will only go around once so just to re-clarify that it won't do two cycles But that is a grain of salt take that with a grain of salt because that is not confirmed that is from birdies nature Actually, I have a question for you about the theming What do you think so with frontier canda, you know and these new investments looking like this like look how gorgeous That is the paint job the details on the trains and then you have some older attractions in the park that look well More like action zones. So can you see? Maybe other attractions like not necessarily even an action zone or necessarily for a complete overhaul But could you see other attractions slowly getting more modernized and theming? Like maybe like shockwave or something like that. We see that don't we at other parks I can't name any specifics right now because I didn't prepare that so good question. You caught me out guard We're gonna talk about that later um I can definitely see that like something's going on with clockworks right now. Yeah, it could be Clockworks has been running injured in winter fest. So it needs some tender loving care Um, but for example a ride will disappear in winter. It gets sent off overseas and then it'll come back with theming Um, you can see stuff like that happening. That's not me saying anything I know nothing about clockworks by the way, which is weird because I know about a secret little maintenance shed in thunder ride, but I don't know what's going on with clockworks. No one knows what's going on with clockworks so So because it's interesting, you know when you're talking about budget and stuff and saying like oh, you know their maintenance budget or whatever it is but You know, you might go back to the park one year and yeah They may only get one or two smaller attractions and you're like, oh, we didn't get that 30 million dollar ride But it's fair to say that they invest That they invest um Money in a lot of places that we might not necessarily be able to see right away Right like in the theming and just even park upgrades like if they redo interlocker even um um The light stands by lazy bear lodge. They took all those ones out and put nicer ones Like just doing small things like that. That's something that and everything adds up at these parks A lot of people don't know that running a business Ordering sometimes even just cups is so expensive and I wish I had it. I had mcdonald's today Don't judge me. Okay. I'm aware. I'm aware. I need to work on it by mcdonald's say I was given a wooden fork That's cool. So we went from killing turtles to killing trees Last time I checked the turtles don't provide air the trees too. So I don't know what's going on with that But okay, that's a whole another um, but I'm gonna get cancelled for that but nonetheless, um I know from the store. I run that those wooden things are a fortune And now we're forced as a company in canada around ontario to order that stuff So I know that sounds crazy But when you add up all those things the cost of business is rising. Yeah So and then you brought up interlock interlock is a huge expense to wonderlander constantly. Yeah You add in the landscaping you add in there is going to be paint jobs even though he doesn't think so there is He's right. It may not be behemoth in vortex. I still think it's gonna be one ten dollar bet. Don't worry. Um We're gonna get paper forks next. I saw that about uh tim hortons, but wonder. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah The wonderland already got those um new brown composition forks those composite forks Oh, yeah, I like those. Yeah, because it's like plastic, but I think that's our Yeah, the fiber forks um But yeah, uh, what did you ask? I I just I interrupted him. I'm sorry No, no, no the like the cost of business and how we don't necessarily see some of those costs In direct investments, but there's still money being put into the park. Yes And sometimes we won't even see it like entertainment shows just upgrading lighting in the theaters that you'll never notice Unless that's like your diehard thing about a theme park is the theaters There's like for example, if I didn't have the drone, none of us would have known they redid the air conditioning and heating units on top of The canterbury theater, even though I don't know why they had to bring in some sort of It didn't work But they spent a fortune on there or you know, you don't notice until you ride vortex that they Pave the entire or waterproof the entire top of the mountain We don't even know what they're doing inside the mountain because they are doing something Which you'll see soon um But yeah So there are a lot of other Hidden expenditures and stuff that we might not get to appreciate right away But they're definitely there and they make an impact on our satisfaction. Yeah, and wonderland is a mini city. It has Carpenters it has So it has a sign shop not a lot of parks have this But it has a really talented sign shop department that literally is redoing leviathan's sign to make it a more kid-friendly Oh If that thing isn't back there Oh And then you have the flight deck the all the sign you see all the signs you see in the park That's made on site by wonderland's team and a lot of people like they don't give enough attention to the people that work at wonderland There is really talented people and i'm so happy to see wonderland paying like a decent wage now a competitive wage so Yeah Shall we guys? okay ask questions because This information is new to us. I said we were going to start with 2025 and then go to mountain What do you think would be better both kind of? No, okay mountain there. I did it. Oh Oh Oh, this is the news. I didn't want to learn Okay, oh Okay, guys, um, so this is this is one of our new additions that will eventually come I'm hoping It's 2024 Yeah, so The thing is 2024 is supposed to be the flying theater. Okay full tea. That's my rumors. That's the birdies We're supposed to get a flying theater or a dark ride. I don't know that it's a flying theater exactly But that's my prediction my official prediction Is that we were going to get a flying theater in 2024 with a zimpurla flat ride? Um or a waterside one of the three or all three together wonderland does that a lot of the times That was my official prediction. That was like I was sold on that I've been talking about that for two years now flying theater flat ride blah blah blah Because a little birdie who has told me all my information in the last three years that has been pretty act your writ Um has ended up being right and action theater was supposed to be developed Sooner than later now action theaters infrastructure is turning out to be in not such great shape So there's another indoor location that can house many attractions a lot more than you think I wish I could show you a picture especially since this picture is from google But I'm going to assume that we cannot share this picture But it shows you the wonder mountain inside that isn't developed and it's literally like an amazon factory It's huge. It's huge Like surprisingly huge um Now what i'm afraid of Is winterfest So the elephant in the room is winterfest had its worst season. It's ever seen I know that's hard to say because it's only had three two and a half seasons, but it had a really bad season um And I can confirm that winterfest is here to stay which is a good sign The bad news is when you're a business And you see your numbers doing this for winterfest. It's more like this It was it was like this and then now it's like you gone drop. Um, and you have gold past people. So they had 600,000 people that could have attended winterfest But they got nowhere close to that It tells you that that event is not what people want it to be So they have to reimagine it If you pay attention, I don't know how to word this. I have to be careful If you pay attention to things rides have become the most important part of wonderland It's almost like a double-edged sword because wonderland wanted winterfest to be a family oriented event Unfortunately, the canadians wanted one winterfest to be a ride event It goes against everything I thought So cedar fair is now left to develop winterfest into a better event That people would appreciate the shows Aren't drawing in people The ice skating rink drew in people at first. It was a new event. Everyone wanted to see it But then they realized the rides were not open So then everyone went on google everyone talked to their friends. Oh, it's not what we thought it was even though in my opinion It's the best event in Ontario for a winter event. Yeah for a winter event. It's literally the best event I think they hit it at the park But unfortunately wonderland has the aura the image of being a That's what you get Being a ride event. So you this is this is one of your opinions. Why don't you touch on it? Well, I get myself a little okay, so You know what? And this isn't me at all hating on winterfest because I agree with brendon 100 percent I think you know if you don't think it's one of the best no the best winter event in the gta I don't know what other events you've been to but technical But but but I think wonderland, you know has that reputation. Yeah, it's a family park and stuff like that but it's also rides right when you think of wonderland you think it rides and I feel There were several problems. I feel but you know wonderland Has a lot of teenagers and stuff like that too. They make up a good amount of the attendance And everyone was expecting rides like we always got questions. Oh, why isn't leviathan open? Why isn't behemoth open? What rides are open? What roller coasters are running and we're like, well, hold on There's no roller coasters or anything but there's this that's in this and as soon as you say no roller coaster no rides Then they're like, oh, I don't care anymore. Oh, I don't care anymore. That's it I'm not gonna go even though they don't give it a fair chance But I think they just expect slash want some of these attractions open Now you can't have leviathan behemoth or you call an open I don't think anyone would ride those when it's cold out But maybe more flat rides like shockwave, maybe a smaller roller coaster like dragon fire Even vortex or something like that that would do really well And I think that would draw people into the park just from a ride aspect alone So I feel like wonderland really has that reputation of being exclusively rides which for me personally i'm like But I understand like you can't always have rides, right? But obviously and the numbers kind of showed it too That people want rides included with their other forms of entertainment Yeah, I want to touch on a comment because it's right, but also wrong So winterfest has not changed since its opening year. Thus people don't want Review it as they've already done it. I will say that every event in toronto is the same thing So the winter market once you've done it, you've done it The christmas trail the canadian tire christmas trail is the same thing every year So it's a valid argument. I totally get what you're saying because that is what I said to the park That is what I said to someone And Unfortunately The the feedback that is concrete as evidence is canadians and the people that They're season pass holders. They won rides That that is the answer like there's no Like that's literally the answer. I don't know how to word that appropriately But we're not saying like just scrap all other forms of entertainment. It's a package, right? Like they want rides included with that winterfest package so um, but what's exciting is we can pretty much Officially predict you're going to see a lot of winterfest rides being built tundra twister has the ability to be opened during winterfest There's no confirmation from the park that it's going to be yet But it has the ability to be open for winterfest. They have a massive Indoor building the mountain that can house a roller coaster and then some yeah so like literally pay attention to that a roller coaster and then some And that's the haunt maze section Take what they have for storage There's a whole another section that they use for storage right now of old artifacts from the paramount era and all that They could literally clear that out And build another attraction there. You guys don't understand that. There's how many levels to this Uh, so what we were told once during an event was there are three primary levels But in total there's like five usable levels, but the three main levels are 30 feet 30 feet and then the basement which from the bottom to the top is 70 feet 70 feet that's seven stories That's almost the height of dragon fire That's like you imagine putting dragon fire inside the mountain and it would fit Yeah, well a lot of people also think the mountain is just what you see in the structure But there's actually like there's like a further dome too that goes beyond the mountain slightly. Yeah, um, so There's rumors that the ace event might have an in mountain tour Yeah, yeah, yeah, so if you guys see the ace event this year in 2023 attend it because this is your chance to maybe see inside the mountain There's a lot of space in there. Yeah a lot a lot of people in fact, you know, sorry If you ride guardian you've been in there, haven't you? Yeah, so he's been inside there He's seen through ace. So they actually took us to the bottom To the basement of the mountain, you know guardians drop track, right? That's 40 feet So that drop track uses half of the 70 foot one that big 70 foot tier And if you go on the very bottom you can look up and there is this huge pit It's a massive pit and it's about 30 feet from the bottom of guardians drop track to the very subfloor of the mountain So next time you guys ride guardian you can even see it with the lights off because you can see the huge gaping hole Look down look through the track like try and lean over and look down and you can see the basement floor and it's like a chasm It's huge. It's absolutely huge And um to be honest, I thought I posted the picture But they have started working on infrastructure for the mountain My drone has a shot. I uh patreons can see it. It was at the beginning of the video So if you actually that little image that kept coming in and out at the very beginning the music video The very first part of the music video. That's the image I'm talking about The wonderland construction trailer has moved over there and we all know what that wonderland construction trailer means There's also signs that they're working on utilities outside the mountain So that tells you They're preparing for something which is what scares me It could be for i'm hoping 2024, but there's no way we get snoopy's racing railway And then a dark coaster clone And then the 2025 project. There's absolutely no way unless they were like There's no way unless winter fact like winterfest accounted for a huge profit for the the chain so But what if they were to build a flying theater in there? Or just a dark ride I think like a dark coaster at bush gardens would do really well at wonderland during winterfest Now i'm not saying that's what I want, but I think like that that is almost to me a no brainer The what the dark coaster. Yeah, I know like It's very low. It takes up actually hardly any space Yeah, and and you would actually have now it's not going to be a thrill ride But it's going to be it's going to be bigger than thunder runs going to be faster than thunder runs Going to have some more cool things on thunder run. So I think that would be pretty popular during winterfest And it would be indoor. So you'd be warm So the average enthusiast the average person that doesn't study what's and this is again I am not trying to come across offensive to anyone, but we Have a really good understanding of what to look for and what means what like for example the distance markers that wonderland now uses It's a no brainer. What's going to happen with those? Um, which brings up the discussion of 2025 because 2025 has already shown signs of moving forward Which is why we need the park to open open the park earlier please Because I need to see if those markers are still there. There's a specific kind of marker It popped up for tundra twister if it is in the same spot that we saw it Um, and it was all over and there were markings on the way into kidsville too Even going past like flying eagles. Yeah Um If those markers are still there then we have a good understanding that this 35 million dollar project is still in the works Now the reason i'm going to say that The mountain is not 2025 and replacing the 2025 coaster is because one But then again, we saw yukon starting. They removed sky rider. Remember so it's a repeat in history So they for those of you that don't know they removed sky rider and yukon was supposed to be 2016 Um, and then cedar point was like We could use something and cedar fair was like, okay Yeah, they removed sky rider labor day 2014 So if we were supposed to get yukon in 2016 that would have been what an 18 month window. Yeah so We could potentially be seeing a repeat and that would mean it's a coaster I will say the infrastructure part of the mountain being upgraded to also suggests It's a coaster Um, usually now like you saw with yukon. They build these little electrical stations With the coaster whereas the flat rides typically can be upgraded to The main grid however, there are some new flat rides that need their own electrical grid aren't there? There's like a there was one we were just talking about in discord recently There are some yeah, like we were looking at the watt usage of some of the intimate dark rides and it was like It's a lot. It's a lot That's what we were talking about and but you have like the dark ride I have on screen um Which is why I also think I think I have a strong Feeling that wonder and we'll see a dynamic attraction I think that's the name of the company dynamic attractions I I I think that was what was supposed to be an action theater and hopefully that's still the plan for 2024 That's my official prediction for the action theater. I don't know what's going on with the mountain So again the mountain changes everything. This is like That emergency news that I post on my story. That's the mountain I think the mountain could either be for 2024 2026 I'm hoping 2026 or 2026 because I would love to see them actually finish and retrofit action theater to a frontier Canada theme because it would be beautiful and then we know We officially predict That the whitewater canyon area is going to be redone. So the paving stones are all going to be done those ugly Wood fences are going to be redone with the new coaster, you know We also learned from an ace event the 2014 ace event when they built guardian They started retrofitting the mountain In june of 2012 to accommodate guardian in 2024 in 2014 for 2014 They started doing work inside the mountain. So they started in 2012 Shut up Maybe there's a lot of work to do You're ruining everyone's hopes and dreams guys. Okay, so this is my this is my beef, right? Dark coaster is really cool As a filler coaster for wonderland. Yep as a filler coaster if it's replacing Our 2025 coaster. I'm going to throw hands Because and okay. No, we're not going to talk about 2025 yet. We're seeing other really never mind back to dark coaster Um, hey, we give us our launch coaster. There we go. We're good our tire launch We have one already What other attractions could you see go in that mountain? instead of a dark coaster I mean for something So It depends like if it's a 10 million dollar filler. I don't see how it couldn't be a coaster like some kind of a coaster maybe Like a carowinds plants versus zombies thing, but I don't think that did very well. I can't really see one. No, no those are canceled so just like What's that french canadian company Triotech. Yeah the guardian people. Yeah, um, I can't really see that like the amount of space they have Now they can't build a huge like, you know 200 foot tall b&m invert or whatever in there But they have a lot of space they could play around with so I think skirt slower Like a euro fighter style. Yeah an indoor euro fighter like the one at the malls. Yeah Um, okay, but mine I saw someone comment. This is stressing me out. Trust me. It's stressing me out too guys This is gonna sound really cocky. You can you can call me cocky all you want I was really confident in 2025. I was so confident. I was like I remember the one day we went out we went on celebrated Because I'm like this is gonna look so good on my resume for predicting attractions, you know I pretty much got 2023 right. I got the restaurant right. I'm on the right track and now I know I officially predict that 2025 is this coaster and it's going in this location and there's no way to be wrong And suddenly We had information Presented to us about winterfest which we knew and then the drone saw the construction trailer and then the drone saw utility work And now I'm like Here we go We're getting snoobies racing railway and then we're gonna get dark coaster So I'm hoping that cedar fair is seeing the The the sporting event The low dollar The low dollar is like that's a no-brainer right there to invest. Yes, and going Well now's our time to build they've done it before have they not did cedar point not get back to back coasters ever Or any other park get back to back as cedar point. They did gatekeeper 2013 rugeru The they changed bantis to rugeru 2015 valrave in 2016 You know, I like king's island banshee 2014 mystic 2017 orion 2020 Oh, what's going on in chat? I hear tea 10 million dollar levine removal um So I am stressed because this throws it off Which is why when the park opens If we see another distance marker Distance marker not a red steak because that can mean anything. I've learned that Um, so for example the go-karts had red stakes and I was paying too much attention Then you you learn through people in the industry that a red state could simply mean like they're going to go mow the lawn And they need to know that there's a about like a wire. Yeah Like it can mean anything like sometimes they have to market for literally like the tiniest little thing Distance markers is what you want to look for and now that we knew that we were able tundra twister We knew right away. Yeah, um not the actual ride. We thought it was going to be the zampo zampirola rides that carolyn's got um but This throws everything off because 2025 was so concrete and when we show you guys I can't tell you guys in detail Anything specific but I can show you guys as much as we possibly Can't show you So let's talk about 2025 and then we'll answer, you know, we're gonna go to the the thing and we can talk about this in detail With you guys ask any questions. So for those that don't know we host a question period We'll end this stream and then we start a new one and we hang out Ask as many questions you want and we'll answer as many as possible I'm truthfully not bs-ing anyone. I can promise you that So 2025 I see a wing coaster I see a wing coaster So What's your first thought what coaster model do you not see up here? A wooden coaster. No, no, no gci. No gravity room. No gci I would love a gci at wonderland. Trust me and I'm not saying it's impossible Again, if some let's say the mountain is happening in 2024 There's a chance, but would wonderland get three wooden coasters No, I think it's for reasons. I can't say four wooden coasters. Sorry. No, I I can't see wonderland doing that Um I like it's guys to maintain a wooden coaster It is a lot of work like the initial investment may only be 10 million dollars But after that the proper maintenance, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of labor too like I just it just popped in my head. So they build a gci in whitewater canyon area fireworks They then have to water down minebuster and this gci That's a that's a whole mission. It's they would never build a wooden coaster back there They could do a sprinkler system like the beast has but I yeah I I just I just I think at the time being at the time being it's not probable I think maybe in 10 years. Yeah, I think anything is possible then but for the next like five six years I don't think wonderland's getting a wooden coaster One you can start talking about a wooden coaster coming to wonderland is when you see one removed Oh a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah um I also think that uh, it's too late for canada's wonderland that the average guest if they were to announce a wooden coaster would kind of be like I think the average guest at wonderland views wooden coasters is terrible. Yeah, and rough um What I think is more likely to happen would be a company like gravity group or gci coming in and completely redoing One of our existing coasters that would be exciting. I think mine busters here to stay has proven wild beast is the question mark And a gravity group renovation of it seems most likely now Are you I'm hiccuping and burping at the same time that was uncomfortable um so Let's rule out a wooden coaster. We're we're confident enough to rule out a wooden coaster So a gci and a wooden coaster is pretty confidently ruled out. I think we always had it ruled out It was just always like a pipe dream that we like it's something we want And when you want something that kind of like come on. I really want it So Because other people might be like well, you can't fully rule. Let's add some more facts because we've talked about this more How quickly did they build mystic timbers? So that fence went up in 2016 And labor day 2016 and mystic was built You know, literally five six months later like that like that you know Even um invader at bush gardens, williamsburg, which is getting dark coaster that went up also in like four months They completely did that That's crazy. So just to put that in perspective. We saw markings for this expansion project Um last year. Yep a wooden coaster would not show signs of construction this early um In fact Like he said, we'll see signs of construction for a wooden coaster labor day ish Huge ish because it depends on the park Um the year before it opens. That's how quickly they are able to build a wooden coaster Look at um, what's the one that worlds of fun? They didn't even start that until like november. Yeah They are really quick to build. Yeah If you have the team that knows how to build it like it's just like that So we're gonna officially not officially we're gonna most likely rule out a wooden coaster not probable Yeah, uh, and we also have a very strict quote from someone really high up at wonderland That was said to us at uconn strict as media day that wonderland is highly invested in building The tallest longest and fastest fastest steel coasters moving forward. It does well for the park It's easy to market and guests really like that That's a that's a quote that sticks with us because this is the same person that fed us A lot of our information That has come true So with that being said, let's talk about the three most likely coaster models in front of us So think frontier canada because theming does play into Into a factor of coaster model. I think a lot more than people are willing to admit I okay, so for frontier kanda. I I can't see a bnm especially a bnm wing. I don't know what you think that to really Front because they already have they took the bird. Yeah, I could see though like you're rendering um buzzsaw That would make sense even like an intimate multi launch. You could theme it to like, you know I I can't think but like, you know logging or like an avalanche like landslide or something A wing coaster to me like that's very birdlike or that's very flight oriented when I think of frontier kanda I think of like, you know gold mining logging Um, something like that along those lines not flying So now if we bring up the logging thing because I think that's inevitable That that is what this coaster is going to be themed to so our official prediction is going to be a logging camp Yeah, some sort of logging camp, um the whole area That's kind of Um Bring why not a gci then gci would be perfect But that goes back to we already have two one coasters, you know, we don't Have we might not necessarily have the resources to properly maintain it when we have two other one coasters to look after And there'd be signs Yeah, like like, you know, sorry, there wouldn't be sign like that would just come up so quickly But as you said, there's already evidence of something going on there, right? Yes, and if they were going to plan that far ahead It's probably for something bigger and the other problem with this for 2025 is Is that we're predicting it's going to be financially more substantial? 30 million plus, right? Yeah, we're hearing like 35 million to 45 million, but that's including again That's a that's a prediction the 45 because You know the old lookout for whitewater canyon and all that I think that whole area is getting retrofitted But a gci wouldn't cost wouldn't cost a penny over 15 million And that's hot. That's extreme um So I'm really hoping that my original prediction Of a mock extreme spinner or a mock launched coaster Excuse me. It's one of the two It's coming to canada's wonderland Whether it's 2025 Now or not that the final coaster for frontier canada is most likely going to be a mock Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to argue with that. Um, I would personally like an intimate There's a chance for that now though. There's a chance so You ruled out the wing coaster for me Oh, wait, what you ruled out the wing coaster for me. I didn't ever for some reason that skipped my mind Well, yeah, just having to first of all just having two bird themes in one park But having two bird themes right next to each other And I think the wing coaster just works with world expo so beautifully my whole dragon theme Asian dragon. Well, what would they call it? What would they call it? Like I'm trying to think there's so many asian Oh, you're talking about frontier canada frontier canada. Yeah, yeah, like when I think of frontier canada You're in the woods. You're in the mountains or whatever. You want something a little bit lower to the ground, you know Log Like what the flying log The flying maple tree like what would they call it timber? So I just can't see a wing coaster working there like what would they call her the track brown and the support screen It's already been done. Oh my goodness Um, you know what like a intimate or a mock any type of mock low to the ground Um, I think I think that would work. I think that would work really well I I'm really like A mock extreme spinner You have that little scene building What about like a mock and this might be just me projecting what I want What about like a mock like accelerator style like the one in china where it launches you up like a 200 foot tall tower They could call it like fire watch or something. Yeah, by the way, yeah, jasmine should have a wrench That was just me overlooking There's no drama there. Someone's trying to make it seem like there's drama. There's no drama Jasmine don't worry. I didn't get my wrench till last week I was adding people who were in discord chat to be moderators because they could talk to each other That was the whole premise of it. But yeah um so Whatever it is though, I'm I'm gonna confidently say and I know you you're gonna I think it's a launch It's a launch. Yeah the parks And that's not a tire launch that they're working on the main. No, that's a proper lsm launch Yeah, so their their their goal is to add a launch coaster now They wouldn't be working three years ago for world expo. You know what I mean? They already started working on the main grid three years ago for Yeah So that's why I still think that it's it would be dumb for cedar fair to scrap 2025 For the mountain because they've spent so much time and money and labor Upgrading upgrading the power grid for 2025 and at the end of the day You know, I still think the mountain project is cool and it's necessary. So I'm not describing that I'm not describing winter fast, but at the end of the day I think an attraction like this would generate more income in the long run than an attraction inside the mountain They need so I actually um a lot of people on wonderland's posts If you go to wonderland's instagram posts have said you need a new looping coaster So and someone said you need a fast coaster too and we now know wonderland looks at their engagement Um, so just keep that wonderland looks at their engagement for deciding factors I think ucon showed Wonderland's general public like this is this is what an inversion feels like where you're not getting your head smashed or You know, it feels like everything's shaking apart and I think people want that more Um I'm trying to think are we load every time I see that little loading icon I think people are trying to tell us we're loading, but I think we're good my computer can handle anything I think that's he's just rolling Um Can you say oh We need Then I have another question for you. As you said earlier wonderland tries to take Records, right? So what kind of record do you think a ride like this could bring? Tallest fastest. Well, they're gonna want to they're gonna want to claim their fastest But did they know That that new fastest launch coaster was coming when they decided to build the extreme spinner that's Now, let's say cedar fair then learned that and then we learned that they were just checking out dark coaster and Velocic coaster What if it is a velocity coaster coming now because they do change things up Cedar fair has proven that they can be like, okay This is what we want. They did this actually with frontier canada So for those of you don't know ucon striker was supposed to be a generic coaster It was supposed to be generic And then the whole frontier canada idea came To be a stronger idea and then then it became ucon striker In fact wonderland was looking into it being ziz And then they tested it in the market And a lot of people didn't like the name ziz and they didn't go with ziz and they were trying to debate What to call it and then frontier canada came up and then they were like And then ucon and then striker and the bird theme with the dive coaster. It was just like bam So if wonderland and cedar fair were looking and wonderland and cedar fair takes records very seriously guys a lot more seriously than you understand Especially for a park like canada's wonderland that needs to maintain its title is canada's wonderland. Yeah That's literally like they take that very personally our launch record just got stolen from us by p And wonderland being the biggest park in canada cannot have a launch record stolen from them so I could see Either they upgrade the the spinning coasters launch, which I don't think they can do force wise because that would be The thing is with a troll right with a spinning coaster Um, you also can't launch it that fast compared to an intimate multi launch Like you're not going to have that hundred plus kilometer an hour launch You still have a really good launch that we've never seen before Yeah, but it's not going to be like a velocity coaster maverick pantheon like where you're like holy smokes What's interesting about the intimate lsm launch coaster is when you look at the parks that cedar fair has wonderland falls as the highest Needing park for that coaster. Oh like yeah, I don't think anyone could argue that There's actually several of their big parks that it doesn't make sense at all to have the intimate lsm coaster So when you look at it wonderland's really the core park That would be ideal for this coaster So I personally think that cedar fair was there for wonderland truthfully I do Um, I I can probably put a lot of my weight behind that but that is take it with a grain of salt That is no information behind that whatsoever But when you look at the parks and their portfolio wonderland would be the main park that cedar fair in my opinion would be looking and scouting that coaster for Um, and then yeah, uh, everyone wants the wooden coaster in front of canada Um, again, I'm not fully ruling it out, but It just doesn't make sense to me guys. How is wonderland gonna maintain four woodies? They can bear it If you guys have ridden mind buster, you Everything's fine I'm sorry, I drooled on his hand I'm salty. I know but you I Extreme spinner makes so much sense to me, but so does an intimate launch though I'm thinking almost more intimate launch because I think you can you just want it Well, no an extreme spinner would be so cool and it would be unique But I don't know with an intimate launch. You could probably you could get such a cool record Like you could get the world's fastest multi launch coaster You know like So anything like that you could go for the world's fastest inversion Could you see wonderland building an intimate motorbike coaster though and theming it to yukon quads like the the one on the left Could you see them going family again, but family thrill In yukon's in uh frontier canada. That's how that's my worry. That wouldn't be a $30 million project No, unless they want full out and it could they could make it fast too How fast like over what is the what what what is the speed of that coaster that took our record? It looks small. So I think it's like 79 kilometers enough that could easily take that But we want a more impressive something we want a more impressive thing But what if wonderland built a dollywood sized family launch coaster? You know a fire chaser express isn't bad. Okay, bigger than that So that's that's another one of my worries. So I included that there because that is a potential that is a potential we cannot ignore Because I even think teenagers riding quads would think that's cool to be honest No, I think something like velocity coaster would it doesn't even need to be as good But just something like that or let's even say maverick or Terran or whatever like that would steal the show at wonderland Because and you brought this up too when now we need something intense We need something with those tight inversions where you feel like holy smokes. What was that? Maverick, you need something that has those whippy transitions wonderland is lacking that Another family coaster. Well, you always make fun leviathan being a few con, right? They're they're kind of like Upscale family coasters. They're still really fun. I will always love leviathan And the gp do ask for more intense coasters. I have seen that Yeah, so I think uh, you know, it doesn't even need to be low to the ground But something with fast transitions, you know a strong whippy launch I think that would do really well and I I can't see that being like a family coaster Yeah, I like what camera and mazy said. Um I think mock stream spinner speaks volumes and I think that's what we're going to see I mean, yeah, I would I would love that I was watching it and it goes with the logging theme so well. Yeah the buzz saw no, you know what we're going to see We're going to see a log flute That would take a long time to build. It would? It would be expensive too. We're going to get that new log The new instrument launch log flue I 100% whitewater cannon in the log flume. Yes. Yes, write that down You see wonderland driving by my house just giving me the middle finger How'd you like that? Fooled you bit I can totally see wonderland sending fake stuff to me now like fake blueprints Just dropping little things here and there Tony Clark does that at cedar point with people But yeah It's big So we know we know that they're going to revitalize revitalize the whole area Vitalize Um, and we know that francer canada needs to be finished off It's due for one more coaster and it's so funny to me someone on my last video commented Friends are canada already just got a new coaster. They don't need another one guys Have we looked at every area of the park? It has more than one coaster It's more than two and you know, it's not really just anymore. You call this four seasons old already Think about the most dead part of the park It's that path like back there that whitewater canyon path and they can widen it They can open it up more and create more capacity and they could even probably put a building there Like you could put a little restaurant. It's got room for everything. Yeah, it's a whole You can have an area within an area. I didn't even think about that It's a whole aeronautica themed area like for frontier canada the next expansion that this guy from islands of adventure can be designed Put a bar there But yeah, we know that it's expensive whatever it is for that whole area But again that the price tag can be hiding the attraction because it is an area It's an area and some of that price tag could be for 2024 It's difficult to tell no the park the like other parks cedar fair parks have done that in the past You know when carolins got their budget for their Fury expansion and even like king's dominion when they got jungle x they also revitalized Two rides and they built a whole new ride. Yeah Yukon strikers technically the mining themed ride guys, so they wouldn't get another mining theme They also have thunder run which is technically themed to a mine train mine buster and mine buster Isn't there another one? I swear. There's another one Technically like great canadian mine buster. Oh, we just said that It's vortex theme too. Oh vortex is themed to mine trains. Holy Wonderland's like coming in 2025 Mine the ride and then technically aren't you riding a mine train on guardian? Oh, yeah, you are Wonderland cut it out cut it out with these mine trains It's gonna be called mining wonderland Do you have any other thoughts in 2025 I like again, we'll talk more in the hangout session We're at an hour and 30 minutes, which is a nice comfortable time So if we see a really cool question the next three minutes we'll answer it and then we're gonna end this stream Go on a little pee break and a little eating break because look at us We have a look at him. We have to maintain our figure and then um We'll go create the uh hangout stream. There are no Karen reviews in this video because I just got dumped I was literally starting to edit the Karen reviews and then I got the phone call and got dumped so Um, there are no Karen reviews in today's podcast. They'll be in the next one Cat a coaster cat Surya's item. Oh, I keep forgetting. Okay. So I was supposed to bring another item, but Today this week I I was procrastinating. I didn't clean it up. So I brought several things actually And they're a lot smaller than you guys here hold some of these What is this? So all of these parts are from wonderland Um, these two things here. These are called photo eyes This photo eye came off a whitewater canyon. This photo eye came off a mine buster So if you can see there it has two lenses One lens shoots out an infrared laser at a reflector and then that laser bounces back at the second photo eye So it makes a contact beam as soon as that beam is broken by let's say a train Then it triggers the plc. It triggers the sensor saying hey something is there These are called proximity sensors. They're basically little metal detectors And if you ever look on a track and you see these green cubes, I know it's kind of a weird thing But you know what I'm talking about right those little yes that light up So those cubes actually house this and this is a metal detector So when a piece of the ride or the train goes over it with the conducting fin It will sense it right it's going to sense the proximity and it's going to sense the train's location What's it going to do with that information? It's going to send it back to the plc So when it sends it back to a plc, it has to send it to one of these first This is called a digital relay If you can see there there's a little motherboard and there is a bunch of um electrical outlets So the information from the sensor gets sent back Through this relay and it makes a physical connection electronically And then that physical electronical signal is then converted into digital data via the motherboard And it's sent back to the control panel Wow Wow I know I know it's a mouthful. It's a mouthful But you can see the little electrode there where it detects the metal and it literally just plugs in This is so cute it's really wally Uh angle oh no okay, and I have something else completely unrelated. This is pretty cool This I got from a 2012 ace event. This is the locking nut from Leviathan Sorry inappropriate mind So what there is on the locking mechanism inside there's two titanium dowels That when the restraint closes they insert themselves into these holes and then it's almost like a wrench It's like a Y probe and it locks into here providing three points of locking content. This is made out of solid tungsten It's incredibly strong take over 3 000 pounds of force So this little thing right here is basically what keeps you locked in while you're on the restraint While you're on the ride. That's so cool But it is incredibly strong And those are the parts today tomorrow next week next week. I'll bring I'll bring a mindbuster track It's just rusty. I need to clean it off with wd-40 Awesome This is so cute I wanted I want to build it into a robot like that is so cute as a face Like now that I want to go on a ride I'm going to look for these little cute things that are like yes Yes, so they'll either be set up like this or they'll be in a canister as I said This is from whitewater canyon that one's from mindbuster and these specific ones If I remember correctly we were taking off the brake run for mindbuster and this was taken off the The conveyor going up for whitewater canyon. Good thing this always works. It will always work Um, yeah, all right. Thanks so much for joining us today. That was a lot of information this stream Yeah, and I feel like we're going to give out more to you than we should on the hangout session next Because everyone's going to ask those questions and we're going to sit there dumb like we always do and like And we're going to look at each other and give away the answer just by looking at each other But yeah, okay guys, we're going to go take a quick pee break We're going to eat something because look at us and then um, we'll go live again in about 10 minutes We'll see you guys probably like 9 40 9 45 awesome